Escape from Elba

Sports => Football => Topic started by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:23:48 AM

Title: National Football League
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
What moves will the Jets make this offseason?
Title: NFL
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
Which draft pick will make the biggest impact in the NFL?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
Seriously?

Has to be Barkley
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
One of the excerpts released detailed how Brady was upset with Robert Kraft when Kraft announced the Patriots wouldn’t pursue legal action against the NFL for its handling of Deflategate. Brady didn't know Kraft would be making that announcement at the owners meetings and found out watching on TV.

“What the [expletive]?” Brady said over the phone to NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith. “Why am I not getting the support I deserve on this thing?”

Brady was very upset with Kraft and Sherman explained how Kraft has needed to rebuild his relationship with the quarterback in recent years, which he connected to the trade of Jimmy Garoppolo.

It was reported Kraft made it clear Brady could not be traded and therefore Garoppolo needed to get dealt as he wasn't going to be on the roster after the 2017 season.

“He was pissed off, obviously," Sherman said of Brady when hearing Kraft would be giving up the fight. "Kraft has supported him. He couldn’t support him there, but the Kraft family has gone above and beyond over the past couple of years to rebuild that relationship. I think that was part of the reason why Jimmy Garoppolo was jettisoned last year. That was something Kraft felt like he had to do to continue to build that relationship with Brady."


And that's why a) Brady's a prima dona; b)Kraft is an idiot; c) BB has to deal with these two lovers and their Machavellian horsecrap while he tries to run a football team.


SAD.

 https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo)

The movie should be quite entertaining.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2018, 08:52:26 AM
Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 09:10:34 AM
and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 11:09:35 AM
Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.

and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.

Amazing how linking to published stories about in house squabbles on the Pats, from a New England media outlet is considered "trolling", until you consider who is lodging the complaint.

Deny, deny, deny.

Sad.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 11:44:03 AM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 12:43:42 PM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.

FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.

Do there you go, paranoid one.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.

FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.

Do there you go, paranoid one.

Troll Feel free to search wherever on the web your troll heart desires, and post whatever you like, no matter how well the issue has already been covered and discussed previously.

You bring nothing new.

And you still remain a boring and stupid troll.

although I look forward to your book report on Brady.

You gonna make a nice cover with construction paper and your big box of crayons?

SSDD 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.

Bye, loser.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.

Bye, loser.

Wiped clean?

Why?

You've a long-standing history of being an indecent stalker asshole.

I didn't pardon you for your past crimes.

Go fuck yourself troll
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:33:41 PM
You're signed!

https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129 (https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
G-Men and OBJ, the new face of the NYFG, talking turkey.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
speaking of NY WRs

Pats sign ex-Jet Eric Decker to 1 yr deal.

eh

TB12 needs someone to throw to.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
There was a guy who looked a lot like RG3 playing in an NFL preseason game for the Ravens, and he scored a touchdown.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Led a touchdown scoring drive to be accurate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
tough night for Johnny Football up in Canada.

in other news happy 41st TB12.

According to a new book, Tom Brady refused to falsely blame equipment staffers in the Deflategate scandal.

AUGUST 3, 2018

"Tom Brady turned down a $1 million fine instead of a four-game suspension if he publicly implicated former Patriots equipment staffers John Jastremski and Jim McNally in the Deflategate scandal, according to a new book called “12: The Inside Story of Tom Brady’s Fight For Redemption’’ by Casey Sherman and Dave Wedge.

The book states NFL commissioner Roger Goodell “demanded that Brady state publicly that former Patriots equipment guys [John] Jastremski and [Jim] McNally had purposely tampered with footballs, even without his knowledge. Tom said no."

“There’s no way I’m gonna ruin these guys for something I believe they didn’t do,” Brady told NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, according to the book.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 10:52:44 AM
times flies

NFL pre-season starts tonight

few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese


DC United @ Pats  (-3)

Browns v Giants (+1)

Steelers @ WC Eagles  (-3)

have no idea who/why would bet these games


Butler not expected to play for Pats





Quote from: bankshot1 on Today at 07:05:19 PM

You recently compared an airborn virus , an act of nature to a 15 year demonic plan to exterminate European Jews (and other undesriables).


And this is where you leave the land of facts, Banks.

It was not the airborne virus and "act of nature" that was the comparison, no matter how frequently you insist that it was.

It was the intentional withholding of aid by the federal government after Jared realized that it was predominantly hitting blue states and especially Blacks that was compared to Hitler's efforts, while acknowledging that it was not the same.

And you are unlikely to admit that, either, because you don't back down very well.

But that was what happened in multiple views, even if you don't see it.


Rebuttal
The Final Solution was man-made

the virus was not


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:41:37 AM
times flies

NFL pre-season starts tonight

few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese


DC United @ Pats  (-3)

Browns v Giants (+1)

Steelers @ WC Eagles  (-3)

have no idea who/why would bet these games


Butler not expected to play for Pats
Betting on NFL preseason is not a.sign of a serious problem. It is a.sign of MANY serious problems.

Our dope smokin' heat packin' unlicensed drivin' credit card stealin' drug test failin' startin' in place of Nosh Gordon wide receiver has make the trip to NYC for the game. Those who do not learn from history are.doomed to go 0 - 16. But Hue is going to have a "strong conversation" with him, so all is well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:50:48 AM
boz

have you seen HBO Hard Knocks-'18 Browns edition? I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there are some eye-openers about Hue's coaching style.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
I don't have HBO.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:50:27 PM
not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Never seen an episode, even when getting the occasional free weekend, though its cultural ubiquity means I know a fair amount about it. Tried to bring it up in a conversation triggered by Sean Bean not dying in The Martian and all I could come up with was "Crown of Thorns".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
I think I have figured out why the Browns did not cut Calloway.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 10:00:53 AM
I don't have HBO.

Yes. Some people have a life that extends beyond what's on TV.

Foreign concept for idiot bankshit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 07:31:56 PM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.

troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?

You fucking cretin stalker.

I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1

now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Didn't see the game but Sam Darnold, seemed to have made a positive impression in his Jersey debut.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2018, 11:17:41 AM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.

troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?

You fucking cretin stalker.

I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1

now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit

I could see bankshit doing this:https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html)

Get help for that anger you're displacing here. Just because you're depressed and angry about your failed personal life, it doesn't mean you gave to be the dickhead that you show yourself to be here each day.

Sad, little man.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:28:19 AM
troll you spend far too much time obsessing about me.

now go fuck yourself.

The sub-topic is over for everybody, not just for Banks.

Banks can't acknowledge that the deaths of blue state citizens, of democratic party voters, of POC, was intentional on the part of the Trump administration. He keeps insisting it was "only" incompetence.

So, he cannot see the parallel.

Our repeating to him that the intentionality of those deaths creates a parallel is not going to get anywhere.

So, let us just accept that his sensitivity on this issue precludes dialog, drop it, and move on.

All of us.

 Biden's $1.9T budget goes smart as expected

-get America healthy-control beat covid
-covid relief for individuals and municipalities
-re-prime and jump start the economy

in a 50-50 senate he has to avoid the obvious traps of going to big too far left

it may be hard to argue for fiscal restraint by repubs as Americans and the economy are sick, but they may find their old-timey fiscal conservatism just to be assholes


Goodnight Josh thank you for keeping us safe from something.

LMAO

Cancel culture comes to Elba, courtesy of the extreme leftists in the Democratic party, of course. In other words, don't buck the narrative, banks.

I think Josh wanted to play the role of 800 lb gorilla but nobody noticed.

So he stomped his feet and pounded his chest and tried to mark his territory, but instead he pissed on his leg.

After I rebutted his  territorial droppings he deleted the rebuttal. 

LMAO

That was bullshit and pure cancel culture

So I mocked Josh and his silly monkey business.

Going big

Green New Deal
Medicare for at least All who want it
National policing standards
Financial transparency
Statehood for DC & Puerto Rico
Forgiveness of student debt
Decriminalization of cannabis
Strict gun control
ERA
Wealth & Inheritance & Financial transaction tax
Fully fund IRS & EPA & FSA & USPS
Initiate non-profit postal banking
Free two year college, any associates at any time
Heavy investment in minority owned small business
Heavy investment in low income areas and all public schools
Paid sick and parental leave
Transparency and public auditing of all non classified government activity
Mandated voting seats for workers on all corporate boards


I have to say that 4 years of Trump won't be so awful if the end result is the Dems get the WH and a unified Congress.

Winning the House in '18 was important.  It really slowed down the GOP and got Trump impeached and knocked the wind out of his hairpiece.

I think early voting begins in September in many states.

While I'd like to be optimistic, and fervently want a massive BLUE wave to cleanse America in 2020, the depth of the stain that Trump will  leave on the fabric of America will not be so easily washed away.

From domestic issues: race divsions, the economy, healthcare, voter suppression efforts, environmental, to foreign policy: rebuilding long-term alliances that have served us well, rechecking and assessing complicated and contentious relations with China and Russia, and showing to the world we side with democracy and not authoritarian oppressive countries. Biden and the Dems have a lot to do rebuilding the ability to effectively govern that Trump and Repubs have activelt tried to dismantle.

And they will likely meet with a lot of head-wind from Repubs. And lets not forget the a conservative SC and the hundreds of federal judges Trump and McConnell hand-picked to bend law and justice to favor the rich and powerful. 

But I'm hopeful that a Biden Admin wil be focused and smart and start fixing America step by step, ((I'd focus on the economy, jobs (infrastructure) aide to tax starved states and fixing O-care/healthcare and slapping sanctions on Russia). Let's see Repubs run against that in '22.

And i agree taking the House in '18 was critical in denying Trump the complete legal power to enact more damaging legislation. And in that regard keeping the House in '20 (which should be a lock) but also in '22 and '24 will be critical. And retaking the Senate would be huge in sctually fixing America,

IMO if we get a Biden presidency he will inherit a shit storm of problems, too numerous to discuss in depth now, that he will be tasked with fixing. And it won't be easy and may make him and a D-congress easy targets for the hypocritical republicans, who will demand quick cures for the diseases they brought to our country.

IMO the 4-years of suffering Trump-16 (and lets pray its just 4 years) will leave scars and have a damning legacy far beyond that happy day when we're cured of the Trumpdemic.

Banks, it sounds like you are saying America had a chance to become a better place in the mid sixties but pissed it all away with the war in Vietnam.

It’s a good reason to support Rev. Senator Warnock and his efforts to get us further up the mountain especially where republican monstrosities have a strong grip and are choking the life out of the people.

My point was that often times we do not live in a b&W world, but one with a lot of shades and nuance that we should consider

And that from time to time a monochromatic take on good and evil and right or wrong is often lacking needed depth and context.

Im pleased to see Bankshot has me in the category ofRed, Kid and Uno.
Larry you're a faceless poster, just like they are.

I've had disagreements with most of the posters here, most minor run of the mill bullshit, but some far more contentious than any disagreement we've had.  I just listed the 3 posters I've most often disagreed and interacted with. (though I think Red has had me on iggy for about 5 years-I think I annoy him, so you may want to consider that option).

When I disagree and feel motivated to post my disagreement I do. And as I noted sometime ago I agree with you on most of your positions, at least in direction, if not in magnitude. But I reserve the right to disagree and when I do I will tell you why.

If you'd like to be treated differently than other posters, say so.

Elba's cancel culture crew appears to be happiest or the least conflicted cancelling 5,000 years of anti-semitsm, pretending it hasn't shaped current events or their view of how Israel should properly defend its sovereign right to exist in a very hostile world.


6/22/21
No Larry the death of democracy if it comes, will be a result of extremists (from right or left) insisting they have the cure, that we must take their cure, and if we don't, they will jam the cure down your throat or up your ass, whether you like it or not. Moderates seeking to work together to find answers may not be fast enough for you, but they will not be the death of democracy, it is in fact democracy at work, No matter how loud or how often you scream your frustrations doesn't make it true.Having said that this latest dance with Repubs may get half a loaf of infrastructure, but and as noted above, has its political risks in '22 and '24. And the Machivelli's on both ends of the political spectrum are hoping to attract the moderate middle. its democracy.



Bart I think you're being too hard on Fac and his performance art. While I don't agree with Fac and would prefer reason and discussion and the rule of law to settle our differences, rather than resort to threat of bodily harm, coercion or violence, I found his approach consistent with his affinity for minority rule. We all know that Fac's a tried and true revolutionary, a modern day Sam Adams, a performance artist of yore who's fiery rhetoric   inspired steeping tea in Boston harbor. But it seems Fac prefers tyranny, terrorism and torture to Twinings.

By the way - I move to amend Bankshot's sentence from 3 days to time served

All in favor?

I ended it yesterday.
I still get the message on my computer that I am banned which is not set to expire. I am posting this from my phone. Would please remove the block on my  IP or whatever to allow me to post from my Computer? Thanks.

I didn't block your IP, only your name.

You probably need to clear the cookie associated with this or reboot or something.

Not something I can fix on my end.
it seems ok now.

We have some matters to discuss.

As you are well aware a virus wiped out about 11 years of posting history. Just because you could not find a specific reference in posts that go back only 3 years, does not mean that information was not posted in prior posts.

I could,  if you like,  give you detailed paragraphs of several posters here from stuff they've posted from 1997 to today. Where they grew up, lived, went to college, wives, ex-wives jobs, kids, etc. Just because you can't find it doesn't mean I doxxed anyone. It means it was posted here and I've a very good memory.

Nonetheless you never got a reply from Hammy about whether he deleted his ass-kicking hustling post. I was not part of that conversation, so I don't know the post in question. I do know yank made a reference to Hammy's hustling.

Just as when I asked Hammy (post-satire) if he ever made the claim about hustling pool WBW, he would not address the question.

My satirical post was in response to yankguy who wanted to know about Hammy and his pool hustling days. Apparently yank was aware of Hammy's claims of hustling pool as a kid. And my guess is yank has a good memory too.

But what I found particularly galling was you know Hammy's doxxing history, he has doxxed me, and you, and Red and threatened yank with disclosure of private information.

And you know he's a liar.

But for reasons which remain very murky, you banned me, upon his claim that I doxxed him, without asking me a single question, or the origins of my satirical post of Hammy's hustling days.

I just got banned.

Hammy has posted about growing up in Delaware (I don't recall the city). In my spoof I used Dover.

How many cities beyond Dover and Wilmington would most readers ID as Delaware locales?

Dover and dumb ass and Dupont worked together.

it was poetic license.

I don't doxx people.

Now as for "proof" as to the substance of my satire,

Here you go

if you had searched for Hamilton Samuels and hustling you might have found this from a few months ago.


I had a seasonal business starting when  I was 10 or so, raked leaves in the fall, shovelled driveways in the winter, some lawns and caddied in the summer. Carried doubles, two loops. It wasn't bad money for a kid in '63.

The only thing I could draw was a conclusion and I figured out by 19, driving a fork lift wasn't a great career path.

Picked fruits and veggies at a local farm and sold pints and quarts of them by pulling a wagon through the neighborhood going to door to door, age 9. Had the morning paper route, 100 houses, at age 12, and then I learned how some folks don't pay their bills, and never will. Cut lawns for cash at 13-14. By 15 was working summers as a lifeguard and other odd jobs during school days. Hustled 8-ball and 9-ball in bars as a 19 year-old to pay for college tuition, and worked 3 other jobs (restaurant, pub, and stadium concessions) while taking full course loads.

My first car wasn't until I was 24, and then it didn't have reverse. My first new car was in 1981. Got a great deal on a Toyota Celica ST, and beat the man for a loan that had only 12.5% interest. Ahhhh...the good old days...

The point is, there are lots of people here who made something of their lives without having things handed to them.

They also didn't catch a break by getting hired for because of their skin color or gender, and as time went on, though they are resented for that which they did to earn their living and for taking care of their families.

Many of us here do not need to apologize to anyone for what they've earned, and for the breaks they've had, and for seizing the opportunities that emerged for them.

And we were too busy making our lives work to go about oppressing yours or anyone else's. And in many cases, our work was actually enabling the success of others.

So fuck off with the racist labels, Larry and Little Stevie of AZ, and the rest of you SJW Klan members. Your overly simplistic view of our world is as narrow as any bigots' anywhere.

So Josh anytime you want to profusely apologize, as you said you would in the PM to me, please do. as you owe me one.

Hey josh, is banks still banned, banned again, or is he MIA because of another adolescent snit?

Asking for a friend.

On a unilateral basis I decided to pull back, and see if I missed the place or not. I have posted in the baseball and NFL forums, less contentious. I check in here from time to time and pick-up mail. Josh's memory seems a little foggy, I advised Josh we should move on, although noted I would miss mocking him. 

OC-I can't speak for yank, but did speak to him, as we've been "internet friends" for about 25 tears.  From what we discussed, we shared many of the same feelings, not all, nor to the same degree, about this forum, but my impression is your impression as to linkage is faulty. Though given the timing I can understand it. I think it accurate to say both of us have reduced our posting here over the past year or so, as signal to noise ratio became very low. But it you prefer to blame me for his departure, feel free. Much like I was accused of being a racist with no evidence, and became a troll over night, 

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 10:22:09 AM
Finally caught Hard Knocks Browns edition E1-it was pretty entertaining and educational.

Jarvis Landry is fun and can play 1-handed, got a lesson in finance 101 how to turn $1 into $64

and that Hue jackson should probably watch his back around Todd Haley.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 04:59:04 PM
Pats-Iggles kick it off tonight at the Blade.

Brady expected to see first half action.

Butler probably not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Jets-Skins also tonight

next test for legend in the making Sam Darnold

I'm pretty sure Butler won't play in this game either.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2018, 09:03:14 PM
Eagles won last time they played Pat's, didn't they?

Philly- Dilly.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 11:13:09 PM
Pats D, particularly D-line, looked much improved and faster and brought a lot of pressure and was very disruptive. Rookie LB Bentley looked real good.
Biggest play of the game was a pressure/fumble by Foles returned for TD Foles injured his wing on the strip. It didn't look good.

Brady was Brady, played the first half, his receivers are mediocre. Cordelle Paterson made some plays and is fast, but more a gadget guy. With Edelman out first 4 games wouldn't be a shock if they are active in the WR market.

They played better than I thought they would.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Pats 1st rounder right tackle Wynn out for season with Achilles heel injury.

sucks

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
Well done, ESPN

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Well done, ESPN

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)

So. You don't like hearing the national anthem?

Sad.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 11:12:38 AM
Takes aways from Hard Knocks E2

does anyone really need 1000 pair of sneakers?

I think thats a tell.

And maybe Hue was jealous so shipped Corey Coleman to the Bills for a 7th rounder

and a dozen pairs od Air Jordans.

What is it with the Browns and wacky WRS?

And is adding Dez to the mix a smart move?

Is Carl really that bad a name for a kid?

the gloves were pink.

Myles Garrett is a poet and I'm rooting for "Juice"

Browns have some talent and are on the come.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 18, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Josh Gordon is back today. And yes a WR room with him, Landry,  Dez and Galloway could be a challenge.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 11:39:05 PM
Speed wins

https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640 (https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
that cop had some burst

nice take-down.


The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)

IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 21, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
that cop had some burst

nice take-down.


The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)

IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Pissing money away. We will be better but not that much better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 09:36:49 AM
Hard Knocks E3 was like a Sunday brunch, there was a lotta good stuff to pick from.

But stay away from butterflies as they have little nutrional value (trust me on this one)

I'm giving 5-forks to Brown O-line coach Bob Wylie, from the looks of it he's a veteran of lots of all you can eat buffets and a man of many talents and proud owner of a gleaming white Maserati. Wylie stole E3.

We got a history lesson about the D-Day, soldiers hitting the beaches and football preparedness (Belichick would love this guy) and a film session where Wylie's ideal O-line would be made up of pigs, hippos and gorillas.

The conclusion this guy is from somewhere within an easy drive of Boston

and the Browns coaching staff will give the players a run for the money in wackiness.

How can you not root for the Browns and Moose? 


Given that there are no standards, a case could be made for Moyer, as has been posted here already. Is it a solid case? Is it a convincing case? Well, at least as convincing as Bill Mazeroski had or Scooter Rizzuto


Disagree

Kid As Utley can not judge Moyer on the standards that we are used to judging pitchers, like multiple 20-win seasons, over-powering mound presence, ERA, ERA+ CY votes, AS team appearances  Ko to BB, you know real baseball stats that people use to compare performance, you are clearly not appreciating Utley's nuanced, balanced and sophisticated case he presented for Moyer.

As Utley states,

The case for Moyer is about the artistry.

And he did it with aplomb, without the egocentric nature that is attached to so many starting pitchers.


This is overpowering. But there is more

If he were a wine, he'd be the unappreciated petite syrah, an exceptionally rare grape with less than 10,000 planted acres worldwide. In an era in a world that only thinks of cabernet, the petite syrah, like Moyer, has been seriously overlooked.


Not yet convinced, Utley comes in with the closing argument for Moyer's HoF candidacy.


"Moyer has received numerous awards for philanthropy and community service, including the 2003 Roberto Clemente Award, the 2003 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award, the 2003 Hutch Award, and the 2004 Branch Rickey Award.


Artistry-aplomb-a nice guy but overlooked, all with the bouquet of an aborigine's armpit.

As has been said before. about Chateau Moyer, it is an unobtrusive wine yet works with both sides of the plate and "carries a message and the message is BEWARE. This is not a wine for drinking -- this is a wine for laying down and avoiding."

Which 98% of HoF voters have wisely done.

---------------------
wankspot!!!

what brilliance!

that certainly disarms me and negates his years of stupidity and hypocrisy!

LMAO

What the troll hopes is an escape from the well of hypocrisy he has dug for himself for years.

He has no answers for the contradictory conclusions of his silly arguments.

To repeat the troll wants 

1) a standard for entry to the exclusive HoF

but the troll who desperately wants Moyer in the HoF

2) can not articulate a standard which even the mediocre Moyer can meet  (ie there is no standard)

the hypocrisy is so apparent except to our inarticulate troll

And when pressed the troll denies the false narrative that he has pushed.



Title: Washington Football Team
Post by: Kam on August 23, 2018, 02:57:38 PM
If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
Title: Re: Washington Football Team
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 23, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.

That might confuse people. They might think you were talking about the Republican Congress.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 24, 2018, 12:02:24 AM
Indians shut out the Phillies, 5 - 0. I assume Kluber got the W.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.

I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel

Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.

the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times

Wasn't it Pete Carroll who said,

RUN THE FUCKING BALL!

never mind.


battle of the Meadowlands tonight with associated NYC-Jersey bragging rights

Pats-Panthers

I'm not getting a good vibe this year
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 24, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.

I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel

Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
i did not see it, but from the highlights Myles Garrett is the beast we thought he was.
Quote

the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
that is one thing I am glad I did not see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
As I feared Pats sucked tonight.

This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.

BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 28, 2018, 08:40:07 AM
As I feared Pats sucked tonight.

This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.

BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
.

Maybe he will walk away mid-season the way Brady walks away mid-interview, when anyone asks about his fairy godfather, the "trainer" with the magic beans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 09:33:49 AM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 09:36:04 AM
G-Men OBJ make it official

5/95 $60M guaranteed over first 3 years.


Good behavior pays off.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 28, 2018, 05:20:00 PM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.

FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.

4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.

If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.

I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.

I however will be posting about football.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 11:38:11 AM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.

FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.

4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.

If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.

I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.

I however will be posting about football.




MY obsession? Then why was national news, dimwit? Never made the argument he gets paid in terms of its value, just showing he gets paid, and reneged on his deal.

In the meantime, even someone as dim as you (although I'm not sure whom that would be), would understand that the questions asked were legitimate, related to the team and its function, and worthy of a response, and it was a question which Baby Tommy should have anticipated and been ready to answer. Kind of like you expected from Grady Little or your other personal punching bags.

Good luck "talking football", because to date we've seen nothing noteworthy coming from you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
national news story?

it must have been a slow news day between Manafort, Cohen and McCain passing, and you think a trainer rubbing Brady's ass is a national story.

To each their own.

heh

you're an idiot.

Aaron Rodgers signs 4/134 extension over $100 million guaranteed.



 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to Saints

guessing for a decent draft pick

settles starter question for the Jersey B-team
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 03:30:23 PM
Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)

blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel

which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 04:10:35 PM
Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.

Heh

its relevant.

you're lucky speliing doesn't count.

But I'm betting neither can you, at least much past 8, 9, or 10.

heh

Jets get a 3rd rounder for Teddie B.

Brady's trainer finds pimple on Brady's ass,

Gisele is upset,

troll rushes to find national story.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 04:57:13 PM
You may STFU.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html)


Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
poor troll

the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
poor troll

the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.

TFF

And yes it IS a national story.

Dicklicker.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:34:09 PM
Troll

if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.

In the mean time I plan to post about football.

Best of luck

and remember lots of soap and water!!!

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 07:37:08 PM
Giants have 8th toughest schedule in NFL. Green Bay the toughest. Not sure why last year's Superbowl teams have it so easy, but they do: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
Troll

if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.

In the mean time I plan to post about football.

Best of luck

and remember lots of soap and water!!!

Lol!

I see you underscored my point. Or you can't read.

It's not a matter of what I feel. It's a matter of fact.

And since it's the truth, you can't handle it, of course.

Heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
I asked you to wash.

Are you all done covering the big national story, the one that was dead within a few minutes of Brady hanging up?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
National story: https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk (https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 08:02:48 PM
If you weren't nose deep into Brady butt crack you might have read (posted earlier today


Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)

blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel

which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox

and troll wipe the shit off your nose
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
National story. Cheater has a "reality check".https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html)

Better he should check what TB12 is putting in his Starbucks drink.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 12:53:24 PM
season starts in a week,

any interest in a Pro pick'em this year?

Title: Re: Jets
Post by: luee on August 30, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
Fantastic off season Jets may have finally secured their franchise, not franchez, QB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)

The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on August 30, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)

The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.

Kinda depressing Kaep and his fellow gladiators are essentially protesting the same issues protested by Tommy Smith and John Carlos when I was 10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 30, 2018, 09:34:52 PM
I'll pass on a Pick Em. I always forget to make my picks at some point and that messes everything up
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:21:36 AM
I've no idea why I watched off/on Pats/Giants last night, as there was probably no more than a handful of guys who will actually play this year, but its not often I've seen a 86-yard QB "sneak" for a TD.

Carl Banks, (I think it was him) said "7 guys just got cut on that play".

the real hi-light, I hope, is no one got hurt.

Pats are woefully short of receivers, speculation is they either mine the Sept 1 player cut-down dump or trade a D-lineman for adecent WR (Golden Tate is the rumor du jour) 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
Starting the excuse making already? Ha!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
Its called an impartal observation, and it was first made a couple of weeks ago.

and speaking of observations, wipe the shit off your nose ass-wipe
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 11:48:46 AM
NFL Week 1

for informational and entertainment purposes only

NFL Line 9/6 - 9/10, 2018

Date & Time   Favorite   Line   Underdog   Total

9/6 8:20 ET   At Philadelphia   -2.5   Atlanta   45.5

9/9 1:00 ET   Pittsburgh   -5.5   At Cleveland   46.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At Minnesota   -6   San Francisco   46

9/9 1:00 ET   At Indianapolis   -3   Cincinnati   47

9/9 1:00 ET   At Baltimore   -7   Buffalo   41

9/9 1:00 ET   Jacksonville   -3   At NY Giants   43.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At New Orleans   -9.5   Tampa Bay   49.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At New England   -6.5   Houston   51

9/9 1:00 ET   Tennessee   -2   At Miami   46

9/9 4:05 ET   At LA Chargers   -3   Kansas City   47.5

9/9 4:25 ET   At Denver   -2.5   Seattle   42

9/9 4:25 ET   At Carolina   -2.5   Dallas   42.5

9/9 4:25 ET   At Arizona    PK   Washington   44

9/9 8:20 ET   At Green Bay   -7.5   Chicago   48

Monday Night Football Line

9/10 7:10 ET   At Detroit   -6.5   NY Jets   44.5

9/10 10:20 ET   LA Rams   -4.5   At Oakland   49.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 03, 2018, 05:35:45 PM

Winning off the field... and so far, in the courts.


The new ad, which Kaepernick shared on social media Monday afternoon, features the message: "Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."

Nike signed Kaepernick in 2011 and kept him on its endorsement roster over the years. The company had not used him in the past two years.

"We believe Colin is one of the most inspirational athletes of this generation, who has leveraged the power of sport to help move the world forward," Gino Fisanotti, Nike's vice president of brand for North America, told ESPN.






http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2018, 07:46:12 PM
Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.

Philadelphia and the under


21-17 Eggles.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 06, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
Falcons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2018, 08:52:55 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.

This game is wholly representative of what we've come to know as Thursday Night Footbal.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2018, 11:02:58 PM
I can only remember to make picks when the game is about to start. I'm a deadline guy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 11:34:46 PM
Matty has lost the plate tonight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 11:39:00 PM
heh

like i was saying-that was a brutal throw
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 12:40:39 AM
The ending was good television, but the game as a whole was awful!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.



lol

shoulda kept it in your pants
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 01:25:11 PM
Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.

Philadelphia and the under


21-17 Eggles.

Little thing we call a perfect game, my friends

Win
WIN vs spread
WIN vs O/U

- by the way - openings in score predicting contest if anyone is interested - just need an e-mail from you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.



lol

shoulda kept it in your pants

Why?

a few guys shared their prediction.

and we lost, mostly due to Matty Ice gakking repeatedly in the red zone.

Congrats on your perfecto.

And I'll pass on your pool I'm in a couple already one against spread (0-1) one KO (still alive)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 03:50:21 PM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.

CNN agreed.

And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.

CNN agreed.

And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"

Surprising BB couldn't come up with some gametime modification in strategy or sub packages to blunt the force of Foles.

very strange.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
Had Ravens as well
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
Had mypicks ready to submit today, then my internet goes out

Faced with a 3 minutes to deadline - had to redo entire page so I quickly posted a "loser gets 17 points" model.

Here is what I ended up with mostly favorites covering:

Steelers -5.5
Vikings -6
Indy -3
Ravens -7
Giants +3
Saints -9.5
Pats -6.5
Dolphins +2
Chargers -3
Broncs -2.5
Cowboys +2.5
Arizona PK
Packers -7.5
Lions -6.5
Rams -4.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:29:05 PM
Over/unders I have


I have just Saints, Packers and Ravens games going OVER the points

What a mess, but may work out.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 02:46:47 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 02:47:32 PM
The TB/NO game is crazy!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
Brees 26-31 for 318 with no picks and Saints are down 17

Incredible
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
Looks like I had Deshaun Jackson a year early

heh

Meanwhile Schurmur goes for 2, down 5 with ten to play - interesting.  I liek the gamble, but now they have to go for 2 again if they score.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?

yes and no.

I thought the problem mostly would be lack of toys on offense, but Brady continues to make chicken salad from... And Gronk is special. I exepcted the D to be good and it was but I was concerned about effectiveness vs. mobile QBs. Special teams gave up some longer than usual returns. And the turnovers sucked but all in all they played well enough and they won a little ugly.

awinzawin

But the concerns about athleticism and depth remain. There is only so much coaching can do.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 05:04:46 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:15:05 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!

Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.

Not a good look for Big Ben.

And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)

Colin the K is still out there...

ETA: Thanks, Yank.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
His name is Peterman.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
The Jimmy Garoppolo streak is also over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!

Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.

Not a good look for Big Ben.

And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)

Colin the K is still out there...

ETA: Thanks, Yank.

Bills head coach Sean McDermott said after Sunday’s 47-3 loss to the Ravens that it is too soon to say whether the Bills will go with Nathan Peterborough or Josh Allen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
His name is Peterman.

His Urban Sombrero while not a huge financial success, revolutionized NYC street fashion in the late 80s. Cheeky, but with a hint of maschismo that drew oles from Soho to the Village. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 06:16:17 PM
 Peterman will be fine as long as he doesn't hire Elaine Benes to work for him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
The Redskins look like a model of professionalism next to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Quite the closing minutes for the Bears/Packers!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
Will Sam Darnold snap the curse of the USC QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
LOLOLOL

I feel bad for the kid but that is too funny.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.

And it still has a quarter to go.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 10:11:11 PM
Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.

And it still has a quarter to go.

Worse comes to worse, Matty P always has rocket science to fall back on.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Impressive performance/comeback from the ledge by Darnold/Jets last night.

I've posted elsewhere that with a decent D, a potential rookie franchise QB and $90 million in cap space, JETS may be a major PITA real soon.

I wonder if Jersey A develops remorse at what left for Jersey B?

Time will tell.

7-8-1 against the spread

picking 16 is a tough way to make dough
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2018, 12:18:57 PM
Jets may be in on Leveon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:45:19 AM
Missed the THU pick. 

I will post the odds I am using weekly.  You guys that want to play along can use mine or post what your adjusted line is from your pool.  Picking O/U as well - though I wouldnt expect everyone to

Week 2


Bengals +1 defeated Ravens 34-23 - game goes over 44 points


Skins  -6   vs  Colts  (46)

Falcons -6   vs  Panthers  (44.5)

Vikings  -1  at   Packers  (46)

Chargers  -7.5   at   Bills  (43)

Texans  -2.5   at  Titans  (44.5)

Steelers  -4  vs  Chiefs  (52.5)

Jets  -3  vs  Dolphins  (44)

Eagles  -3  at  Buccaneers  (43.5)

Saints  -9  vs  Browns  (49.5)

Rams  -12.5  vs  Cardinals (45.5)

Niners  -6  vs  Lions  (48)

Patriots  -1.5  at  Jaguars  (45.5)

Broncos -6  vs  Raiders  (45)

Cowboys  -3  vs  Giants  (42.5)

Bears  -3.5  vs  Seahawks  (43.5)





Good luck.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 11:42:04 AM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 15, 2018, 06:39:19 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 07:33:41 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?

I think standard scoring is a TKO.

you coulda been a contenda...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
 Late switch off bucs to eagles

Money plays ...  Hou vs points

And 4 team parlay vs points ...  11.7-1

Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Broncos
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 12:56:41 PM
Scores


Skins  24-20
Atl  24-17
Green Bay 27-24
Chargers 24-14
Hou 23-17

Pitt 31-24
Jets  24-17
Eagles  23-19
Saints 31-24
Rams 30-13

Niners  27-20
Patriots 28-21
Broncos 28-21
NYG  23-20
Seahawks 20-17

Good luck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 02:40:07 PM
Boy, Buffalo looks as bad as any team I have seen in ages. And I am a Browns fan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 03:10:50 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

Looks like I stayed alive with chargers

Sorry...forgot to post

Good game in Pitt as Steelers tie it again
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:01:57 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

I feel like one of the Gibbs Brothers with that win..

ah, ah, ah, ah, Stayin alive
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?

life ain't fair boz.

that had to suck
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?

life ain't fair boz.

that had to suck
Two weeks in a row.  Left 8 points out on the field today.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Jags with a major ass-kicking

not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.

Wow.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:12:17 PM
Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.

Wow.

Wow is right. He was drafted what, 4 years ago?

Pats could use a young LB if he decided to make a comeback.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired. 

Vontae Mack was a fake player wasn't he? 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
Jags with a major ass-kicking

not many good take aways for the Pats in that half

2nd half wasn't much better.

Better team won.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.

I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.

I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.

He was.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 11:47:37 PM
rough night for Opie.

the imagined offensive juggernaut hasn't quite jelled yet

that O-line might get him killed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 17, 2018, 04:26:47 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 05:10:21 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 05:25:08 PM
We have also, to the surprise of no one, picked up a new kicker and kicked Gonzalez out. Straight out. No truth to the rumor we kicked him out wide right.

Minnesota picked up the guy I wanted us to get, Dan Bailey.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 17, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.

Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.

They kept the sneakers.

Color me skeptical.

Who else you guys got?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.

Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.

They kept the sneakers.

Color me skeptical.

Who else you guys got?
Need a kicker?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 19, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 12:28:05 PM
An anonymous "assistant" thinks that the staff believes that the staff and not one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, is responsible for winning several championships. 

Good to know.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 19, 2018, 01:44:09 PM
you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:46:51 PM
speaking of top 15 QBs with some post-season success, this is an OP elsewhere about the NYFG

"The New York Football Giants are shaping up to be a shit-show of finger-pointing, second guessing and a lot of bad football this year. So...

Rather than upset Eli and create a QB controversy, Dave Gettleman hired by NFL royalty, the Mara/Tischs, doubled down on Opie, thinking they had the talent to win it now.

To keep the peace in Mayberry, who's townfolk revolted when Opie was benched last year, did not draft the next franchise QB, or trade the 2nd pick in the draft for a package to rebuild and fill and several holes, like the O-line, but instead they drafted a very talented running back. And then they commited to a long-term contract to OBJ, making him the highest paid prima dona head case receiver in the NFL. The PR was this team was an offensive juggernaut, loaded and ready to win.

Poor Opie will make it to Yom Kippur, but may not make it to Halloween if the O-line plays like it played last night. No protection for Eli, no time to let OBJ run routes, not strong enough to open holes for Barkely to scamper through.

So for G-Men fans, kibbitzers, fans of car crashs or schadenfreud share your thoughts, stats, insights, rants or vents, on the blue-bloods of the NFL, BIG-BLUE, the NYFG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
you sound like the GOP senate, right now.

Dr. Ford is anonymous?

No she's not.

If some unnamed source wants to take credit for Pats championships, cool.

But I don't have to give it much credibility, particularly when I've seen Brady play.

See, troll, I believe my eyes, not what I'm told to believe.

You are free however to ignore the obvious and believe what you choose.

And in that regard I will believe based on your exhibited behavior and posts that you're an idiot, who'd rather dish on Brady than utter a single word on the shit show in your own house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.

Shurmer was on with Francesa yesterday and did not make a great impression in his 10-15 minute interview.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 19, 2018, 02:10:26 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 19, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 02:25:46 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)

19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.

Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 19, 2018, 03:01:40 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)

19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.

Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.

Perhaps, but he doesn't want to end up his career showing his true self.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 19, 2018, 03:17:57 PM
From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”


Hey, it's an argument. I mean, Matt Cassel did take the Pats to 11-5!

OTOH, Belichick's system had a top 15 quarterback who went 5-12 with that head coach the year before Bill became a genius - a quarterback whose team went 8-8 under Pete Carroll.

Perhaps if Bill goes away for a year we can find out, though it would have been a better experiment in, say, this last Super Bowl!

I think it took them both.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 03:21:25 PM
I think as Brady is viewing the end of his career, he has been more forthcoming.

And if some take objection to Brady showing his "true self" whatever that might be, I imagine he will survive his anonymous and envious critics, quite nicely.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 19, 2018, 11:22:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 20, 2018, 04:10:34 PM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?

In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 20, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Tyrod Taylor just got Wally Pipped.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
Congrats boz
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 20, 2018, 11:42:37 PM
Congrats boz
Free beer!

Joe Thomas has dropped a lot of weight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:47:13 PM
probably cut out starches or something
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 12:08:00 AM
Almost physically restraining my overreaction.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 12:57:30 AM
Fuck it. BAKER MAYFIELD IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK SINCE OTTO FUCKING GRAHAM! WE ARE WINNING THE NEXT 12 SUPER BOWLS!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 01:31:30 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 09:59:29 AM
The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.

And now that you have the GOAT...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 10:14:17 AM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?

In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.

Spring sport.

Not sure what HS aged footballers are doing when they drop from the ranks.  YOUTH can transition to soccer.  But at 15/16?  Wouldnt be common.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.

There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut

Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")

Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.

Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it.  And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.

Cant wait to hear MIKE F today.  He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:21:55 AM
The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.

And now that you have the GOAT...
Denzel Ward: three games, three turn overs. Four sacks for Garrett, and O-Gun is playing in the backfield. Yeah, we have played well enough on defense to win each game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:31:27 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.

There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut

Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")

Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.

Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it.  And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.

Cant wait to hear MIKE F today.  He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
The "leadership" thing was the selling point, but in the NFL leadership is really inextricably from talent and results.

I liked the Jets D. They were.dominant for most.of the first half, and a lot of Mayfield's throws were in great spots. Hyde, who I always liked and thought undervalued was bottled up until the second half.

Mayfield sure seems to "get" Landry who has been as good as we paid him to be and better than I expected. I.still expect, to borrow from Aunt Dahlia's French chef Anatole, a few roughs with the smooth. But I see a glimmer.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:34:27 AM
Browns were good on D last year, too. But the really short field they had to defend and number of plays they had to play skewed the numbers. Biggest problem was the defensive backfield, which is why they valued Ward over Chubb and traded for Randall.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
And they already try to take Mayfield down

(bot sure who Jason McIntyre is but here he is a douche)

https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664 (https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on September 22, 2018, 02:09:34 AM
Jets need to clean management and coaching, they should be good.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2018, 03:59:42 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:03:18 PM
Picks today


Survivor  - Jags


Colts +6.5
Carolina  -3
Jags - 7.5
Atlanta -3
Broncos +5.5
Giants +6
Miami -3
Redskins +3
Vikings -16.5
San Fran +6.5
LA Rams -7
Arizona +6
Cowboys +1,5
Lions +6.5
Buccaneers +1.5

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes





60% of my pool has Minnesota

Go Bills!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:51:27 PM
..............and some early gifts from Cousins

Bills by 17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 02:10:16 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes

Any given Sunday

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 02:22:14 PM
Allen must be playing well

Usually I'd say that game isnt over yet.

But.....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 04:07:58 PM
Wait a minute -

Niners are down 14 with 5 minutes left and they kicked a field goal?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 05:05:57 PM
Much needed and nice bounce back week for Opie and the G-Men.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
The end of the Jimmy G era?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 23, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
Is he dead?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 06:11:23 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 23, 2018, 10:24:23 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
I heard MCL also.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 11:16:26 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 24, 2018, 07:51:31 AM
Giants finally had enough of Erick Flowers, and Eli reaped the benefits.

Pats lose, Dolphins win.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:10:38 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 02:49:33 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?

Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.

I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?

If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.

KoD.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Never mind. The penny dropped. Perhaps if you had capitalized the F.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?

Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.

I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?

If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.

KoD.
I have it LA Rams - Cleveland Browns. I may be overreacting for part of that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
Pick is Rams -7.  And over 48.5.

34-24  LA
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 27, 2018, 09:10:34 PM
 Does your bookie or local sports book allow a wager so long after the game starts?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 10:46:13 PM
Only played the over......

And of course there is the scores contest.

Thinking of taking the mulligan in Survivor pool for another unit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 10:46:56 PM
Nice defense the Vikes got...

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 27, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
Nice defense the Vikes got...

heh

While I was listening in the car, it didn't sound like either team had defense, though the Vikings got the Rams to punt first after 5 consecutive scoring drives by the two sides.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
Back in knockout (mulligan)

FALCONS


Picks (spread)


Rams -6.5 Vikes  over 48.5  (++)


Patriots -7 Dolphins under 48

Texans +2.5  Colts over 47.5

Falcons -6 Bengals over 51.5

Bills +10 Green Bay  over 44.5

Dallas -3 Lions  under 43.5

Jets +7.5  Jags  under 38

Bears -2.5  Bucs  under 48.5

Eagles -3.5 Titans  over 42

Seahawks -3  Cardinals  under 38.5

Browns +2.5 Oakland  over 45

Chargers -10.5 Niners  under 47

Giants +3.5  Saints  over 50

Steelers -3  Ravens  under 48.5

Chiefs -5  Broncos  over 55


Underdogs to win game -   Texans, Browns, Giants

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 10:52:50 AM
Chargers, Jags, Packers  biggest SURVIVOR picks.

320 players left.  About half (with me) have the one loss and thus cannot rebuy again if they lose.

Pool is about 1500 units, winner take all
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 04:28:40 PM
Hah

Muerte again

Nice job by Bungles
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 12:08:49 PM
Pats needed a game like that, clicking on most cylinders.

D played real well and controlled the game.

Sony Michel looked like a difference maker and had a good game, and Gordon helped.

Brady was not surgical sharp, but good enough, but he's off so far this year.

Lets see if getting Jules back, (short week vs Indy) on Thurs PM, gets them to another level.

As an aside, finding/picking games this year has been a really tough.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 01, 2018, 12:24:31 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.

Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.

Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 01, 2018, 01:41:52 PM
It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball.  It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 01:55:04 PM
It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball.  It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.

He's definitely been losing his fastball for the past 2-3 years, but he had his trusted Jules and Danny to find spots/get open, and he's been surgical in the intermediate game.  But this year, with no binkies, coverage of Gronk gets tighter and the shutdown corners are looking at Dorsett and Hogan instead of Jules and Danny. Different game and he's been forced into high risk throws. And it shows.

I hope with Edelman returning and maybe Gordon being a threat, things will get easier for the old man

we'll see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 01, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.

Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.

Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
We got completely screwed by the refs! NO sane person should change the spot on that play unless they were paid to! We need a league wide I investigation! Baker Mayfield is the greatest QB ever and the refs were bribed to cost him his first win!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 04, 2018, 10:56:46 PM
 :Got Pats -10.  Under 51.5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
Steelers -3  35-31  over 57.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 11:34:13 AM
Browns 24-21  +3
 Chiefs 31-24  -3
Titans 20-17  -3.5
Panthers 27-17  -7
Broncos 20-17  +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
Bengals 28-20  -6.5
Chargers 37-30  -5.5
Miners 20-17  -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21  -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24  -6.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 07, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
How about those Packers!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
brutal gut punch loss for G-Men.

a 63-yarder at the buzzer?

ouch

And Brownies win in OT on what may be ugliest  wounded duck of a FG that wobbled through the goal posts in recent memory.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 11:55:29 PM
that was an insane catch n run by Hopkins to set up the game winning FG.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:08:04 AM
 10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2018, 09:44:19 AM
PARADE.JPEG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:46:20 AM
10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread

You might want to recount your wins and losses, strsight and ATS.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
Eggles lost - had it as a W


9-5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:48:17 AM
Eggles lost - had it as a W


9-5

that's half the truth

and a quick accounting indicates you're 6-7-1 ATS

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
Thanks again, dickie


wins vs spread


Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)

Texans a push

8-5-1


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
Same 17-10 composite

Have to check the O/U

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
O/U wins

New England  (over 51.5)
Pitt (over 57)
Browns (under 47)
Titans (under 39)
Detroit (under 51)
Bengals (under 49.5)
Rams (over 50.5)

7-7
24-17-1 total

always look for 60+ per cent.

Just under this week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Thanks again, dickie


wins vs spread


Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)

Texans a push

8-5-1

You had neither the Bills nor the Cards.

here are your picks

:Got Pats -10.  Under 51.5.


Steelers -3  35-31  over 57.5

Browns 24-21  +3
 Chiefs 31-24  -3
Titans 20-17  -3.5
Panthers 27-17  -7
Broncos 20-17  +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5

Bengals 28-20  -6.5
Chargers 37-30  -5.5
Miners 20-17  -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21  -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24  -6.5

As I said Timmy you were 6-7-1 ATS

I'll give you the benefit of thr doubt, and assume you made a mistake in recall.

You might want to check that out, as for reasons known only to you, you have demonstrated on several occasions, an inability to accurately represent your predictions.

Maybe eat more brain food.

Or stop lying.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?

Never mind.  Just too funny for words.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 03:16:54 PM
Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?

Never mind.  Just too funny for words.

best of luck telling your bookie that Titans -3 1/2 and 49ers -4 are winners, and he got it wrong.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Drew Brees is the GOAT.

END


OF


STORY.

STFU, Brady.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:39:30 AM

Just noticing the Saints romp.....

Takes us to 9-5 vs the number
10-5 on game winners
8-7 O/U

27-17 composite (.614)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:37:23 AM
heh

and Trump only got a 1-million dollar loan from daddy.

accounting is tricky stuff.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
I guess it can be

100% straight forward in this case

But I appreciate your counting along with me.  As youc an see, I am quite willing to correct anymistake I make in my quick counting.

Can you go back and tally last week for me?  I didnt count up totals for 2 of the 4 weeks.  1 I know was pretty shoddy.






Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
21-23-1 last 3 weeks......vs spread.

Will tally weeks 1 and 2 later on......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
its been a tough year for most people handicapping games this year.

I'm in a ATS pool and I'm hovering near .500, but only about 10% are over .500. 

Last week was my best week (ATS) to date. 9-5-1.

My game/bar bets are doing better, in the black a few $$$, but can't find as many games as I really like.

Too many new QBs and teams going through personnel changes to get solid reads plus its still a little early see who's over and under-valued.

Hopefully things get easier and more transparent as more info assessed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
leaning G-Men +3 tonight against a beat-up Iggles in what could be played in a monsoon

probably the under too (45)

all subject to fine tuning and some 2nd guessing and injuries but lets go with

dogs 23

birds 17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2018, 11:08:27 AM
Wet weather favors running game and receivers causing defenders to fall down.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
the weather is going to be bigger factor than usual tonight

but seeing how my season has gone so far, it will probabyl be sunny and in the 70s tonight

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 05:22:46 PM
Giants, getting 3, win game.  Game goes OVER 44 points

NY 24  Philly 21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 07:40:17 PM
Eagles win after Nick Foles enters game. :-o
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 09:20:37 PM
sounds like the citizens of Mayberry are getting a little frustrated with Opie
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
Barkley putting on a helluva show
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 10:50:56 PM
rest of the G-Men putting on a no-show.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up

Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up

He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:55:09 PM
Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up

Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up

He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line



Heh

Pretty sure EMann won't have to work post career.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:56:27 PM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.

That hasn't been said on NY radio
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Will make this a little easier to understand this week



Week 6 picks (winner of bet listed first)


Giants +3 vs Philly  26-23 NY   (44)

Cleveland +1 vs Chargers   Browns 22-19   (45)

Vikings -10.5 vs Cards  30-14 Min   (43)

Miami +3  vs Chicago   Dolphins 23-20  (41.5)

Skins -1 vs Panthers  Wash 27-24   (45)

NY Jets -2.5 vs Colts   NY  24-20   (45)

Steelers +2.5 @ Cincinnati   Pitt 27-24   (53)

Bucs +3.5 @ Atlanta  Falcons 31-30  (57.5)

Seahawks -3  Oakland (London)  SEA 27-20  (48)

Houston -8 vs Bills   Texans 27-17   (OFF)

Rams -7 @ Denver   LAR 30-21  (52.5)

Dallas +3 vs Jaguars   Cowboys 20-17  (40.5)

Ravens -3 @ Tennessee   Baltimore 23-17  (41)

Chiefs +3.5 @ New England   Patriots 31-30   (59.5)

Green Bay -9.5 vs 49ers    Packers 35-17  (46.5)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 09:30:30 AM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.

That hasn't been said on NY radio

I don't know which NY radio you listen to, but I suspect its might be NPR, because if you listened to "FAN you would have heard some combination of Yankee post-mortem calls killing Stanton and Boone, and an avalanche of calls, questioning the Giants strategy to reload based upon Eli's leading the team, and that Eli is cooked, done finito, and when does he get benched.

The 1st and 2nd guessers ruled the airwaves in a wake of the Yankees and Giants losses.   

There is no question Barkley is a hugely talented player, but All Things Considered, he's a luxury item for a team that needs basics.

its like putting a $25,000 deluxe 30 speaker audio system in a '72 shitbox Ford Pinto.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 09:53:43 AM
Yeah..my bad

Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers.  People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 14, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?

Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 10:50:04 AM
Yeah..my bad

Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers.  People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.

Sorry koach some people recognized the G-Men needed a complete overhaul, starting with a rebuild of the O-line. Adding a running back, even as good as he is, with the #2 pick, seemed to me like a luxury item for the Giants.

I posted last year there were 2 reasonable choices, draft a new franchise QB or trade the #2 for a basket of picks to start rebuilding the holes on the O and D.

But new management pussied out and kept the Maras and Tisches and the pitchfork carrying folks of Mayberry happy, and avoided the QB controversy that was staring them right n the face, and picked a running back at the #2, and then compounded their stupidity by extending OBJ to a new mega contract.

And the good but simple townfolk of Mayberry were told the G-Men were an offfensive juggernaut now ready to compete for post-season glory.

What they got was a good running back with no O-line to open holes for him, or protect an all but immobile and quickly deteriorating QB, who has no time other than to throw 2 yard check downs, while OBJ heads for the locker-room throwing his teamates under the bus.

G-Men's season is all but over, and one can only hope that new management picked up some Titleists, as thats the only ball that will see any action this post-season by BIG BLUE.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 10:55:00 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?

Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.

I know squat about fantasy football, but from what I understand, running backs like Barkley are highly prized in fantasy world, which may explain kid's delusion and his confusing the real world and real football, with his fantasies.

And you, me and more than a few others, have mentioned "Barkley"Sanders in posts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
looking at the Browns as a pick'em, and Denver +7

have bet the Pats -3

think thats going to be a high-scoring game something like

Pats 38
Chiefs 31 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Cant change it in my pool now but would think Bears will now cover with tannehill out
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 01:31:43 PM
"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."

Yeah....nice call

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 02:39:30 PM
"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."

Yeah....nice call

Heh


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.

The Giants are not a good football team. They were not a good football team last year, and have not been a good football team in several years.

It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.

So I understand why that conclusion escaped you.

So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.

So yes they got a good running back.

But that's all they got.

Enjoy Barkley in your fantasy play.

Heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
I bagged my league but my RBs were the Broncs rookie, White and McCaffrey (Bell was also on my autodrafted roster)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: bankshot1


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.


Thanks, google
Quote


It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.


Not just any running back

Quote



So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.



Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer

Enjoy the process




Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 06:03:07 PM
4-5 into the late games

Oy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: bankshot1


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.


Thanks, google
Quote


It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.


Not just any running back

Quote



So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.



Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer

Enjoy the process

I never move the goalposts, I don't have to.

I made the argument last year the G-Men had two options with regard to the #2 pick. 1) Identify the new franchise QB in a year where there seemed to be several good choices The Giants rarely draft that high and it seemed like a good time to pick Eli's succesor. 2) The other option was to trade down, and get additional picks to fill the several holes that were apparent. its possible that they could have gotten a good QB and a free high pick or two, for the #2 pick. An additional suggestion was to trade OBJ for maybe a #1 and a 3, or whaterver the market was for an all-pro WR/prima dona. There was a good opportunity for new management to rebuild on an accelerated time frame.

The Giants opted for a different path. There is no question that Barkley is a special talent, but I do not think he will change a bad team, with a declining QB into a post-season team. A path that will lead them deeper into the woods.

And they will get lost.

As i said picking Barkley was like installing a $25,000 audio system in a '72 Pinto.

Happy motoring.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 11:28:54 PM
 Niiiice.  A perfect game to finish this Sunday

Pats win.  Chiefs cover.  And the over. 

Sox win with Price.  All is good.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:30:52 PM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 12:14:37 AM
4-5 into the late games

Oy.

Had this wrong - it was 5-4

Finished 8-6.  12-2 on winners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:15:10 AM
Niiiice.  A perfect game to finish this Sunday

Pats win.  Chiefs cover.  And the over. 

Sox win with Price.  All is good.

"with Price"

Try "despite Price."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:16:03 AM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history

Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:56:41 AM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history

Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/10/14/red-sox-chris-sale-hospitalized-stomach-illness-alcs/

Visits to the hospital for stomach upset are also up.

Quote
#RedSox LHP Chris Sale reported a stomach illness today and was admitted to MGH for observation this afternoon. He will be kept overnight for evaluation and any further updates will be released when available.

He started feeling it after the game, Saturday. While he isn't traveling when the team does to Houston, they've made no determinations of what's going to happen yet.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 08:38:41 AM
Price to Game 5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
.705 composite this week

13-2 winners
8-7   ATS
10-4  O/U

31-13
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: luee on October 16, 2018, 07:32:00 PM
Giants are now in QB hell and cap hell. Eli has one 30 point game in three years! Jets are in QB and cap heaven.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:16:08 AM
A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.

Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
The best argument I think for Barkley remains  that he's a once-in-a-generation talent and that the type of talent that was available QB wise comes along every year.  The problem with that argument is that you're not always in a position to grab that QB talent and that even if you do, by the time that QB talent is developed and ready (I think QBs, with notable exceptions, take several years to be ready to win and running backs are usually done, with fewer notable exceptions in only a few years), Barkley would likely be on the downside and thus the benefits of having both might not be that great. 

I think Herbert is as talented as anybody who came out last year, but he seems several years away from being an NFL QB.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
I think the Giants wont pick #1 - and Herbert may very well be gone.

Who they take is anyone's guess.

Maybe Eli gets pasted and we get to see one of the 2 backups.

Doesnt usually happen though - does it?

JACOBY BRISSETT has been brought up as a guy Giants should look at.  I dont disagree.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: luee on October 17, 2018, 01:20:48 PM
Herbert is ranked number one on most draft sites. Giants should go after him. Mara still cannot believe that Eli has any thread left on the tires?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 01:55:21 PM
Eli rates just fine.

I dont think Giants will have the top pick.  But we shall see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 09:28:48 AM
Thursday nighter


Denver -2 at Arizona  41.5

Broncos 24  Cards 19


Sunday morning (London)


LA Chargers -6.5 vs Titans  45

Chargers 24  Titans 20  (Titans side win bet, geniuses)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 10:13:01 AM
A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.

Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.

heh

There's no need to misrepresent my opinion, and an opinion that has gained currency as the Giant's season has developed.

So I will repeat what I said last year, the Giants had two good options with the #2 pick

1) draft Eli's successor
2) trade the pick for a package of picks to address a few areas of concern

Again, Barkley is a very talented player, but very few running backs, particulalry in today's pass-centric game, are the centerpiece of a team's offense.

I'll stick to the pimpimg out the  '72 Pinto shit-box analogy.

And as I'm not really familiar with Herbert, I'll pass judgement on him.

So kid, play to your strength, and feel free to misrepresent my opinion on him to cover your own inadequacies.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
Its basically what you have concluded. 

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Nope I concluded with the #2 pick the Giants had two options, neither of which was buying a $25,000 audio system for a '72 shit-box Pinto.

IMO Barkley was a luxury item that Giants could not afford.

If the Giants end up with another top (1-4) draft pick maybe they should seriously consider the next franchise QB if they think he's there

and then use the next couple of picks (2nd 3rd round) to start rebuilding the O-line, becasue if you stick a rookie QB behind that line and he will get killed.

or if ther next QB is not there consider trade offers to trade down, and use the extra picks to rebuild.

I don't know enough about Herbert to conclude he's the next G-Men franchise savior.

But in the next couple weeks, will start watching more college games and start making observations.

I find that information is the best way to start to form a useful opinion.

I understand thats a concept foreign to you.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2018, 09:02:18 PM
6 games

6 TD

811 yards from scrimmage

5.2 yards per carry

1-5 record

Oh - and no O line.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
I think James Stewart or (insert free agent here) could be doing all that with the reps.

heh

Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 10:38:23 PM
6 games

6 TD

811 yards from scrimmage

5.2 yards per carry

1-5 record

Oh - and no O line.

Kid you keep on confusing fantasy scoring with the how the modern NFL game is played.

$25K sound system in a '72 shitbox Pinto.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 10:42:06 PM

Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game

very few losing teams use a running game to get back into games.

Its mostly a time management problem.

Barkley is a very talented RB, but his skills may not be fully untilized in his current situation.

Funny how I've been hearing more and more 2nd guessing on WFAN over the pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
Rest of NFL slate


Patriots  -3.5  @ Chicago  49.5

Tampa Bay -3  vs Browns  49.5

Lions -1 @ Miami   off

Philadelphia  -4.5 vs  Panthers   45.5

Indianapolis  -7.5 vs  Bills   43.5

Kansas City -6 vs  Bengals   58.5

Vikings  -3 @  NY Jets    47

Jacksonville  -4.5 vs  Texans   42.5

Baltimore  -2.5 vs  Saints   49.5

Washington  -1.5 vs  Cowboys    41.5

Rams  -10 @  San Francisco  53

Atlanta  -6 vs  NY Giants   54.5





Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 10:56:22 PM




Patriots  -3.5  @ Chicago  49.5    -  Pats  27-19

Tampa Bay -3  vs Browns  49.5   -  Bucs  26-20

Lions -1 @ Miami   off    -   Dolphins  20-17

Philadelphia  -4.5 vs  Panthers   45.5    - Eagles 23-20  (Panthers cover)

Indianapolis  -7.5 vs  Bills   43.5   - Colts 24-17 (Bills cover)

Kansas City -6 vs  Bengals   58.5   -  Chiefs  35-28

Vikings  -3 @  NY Jets    47  -  Jets 24-21

Jacksonville  -4.5 vs  Texans   42.5  -  Jags 24-17

Baltimore  -2.5 vs  Saints   49.5   -  Ravens 30-27

Washington  -1.5 vs  Cowboys    41.5  -  Cowboys 20-17

Rams  -10 @  San Francisco  53  -  Rams 34-23

Atlanta  -6 vs  NY Giants   54.5  -   Falcons   34-31  (NY covers)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 21, 2018, 04:39:52 PM
Patriots cover and the points are well over.

Hope Sony Michel is okay.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
Pats-Bears was one weird game all the way to the final whistle

It looked liked Michel got corkscrewed into Soldier's Field.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 21, 2018, 05:02:35 PM
 Holy crap, Eagles.

Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Fumble
Game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
Late FG and XP misses a killer (Dallas, Baltimore), though it did help somewhat (59 yarder) in TB game

6-6  vs spread here (push on TB/Cle), though I did make one late change for the better in the contest - switching off to Vikes win and cover

O/U were 6-6

ouch.

Need Giants cover and over for positive week.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
"Late change for the "bettor"

I'm sure it was.

heh

Speaking of the Monday Morning QBing and the G-Men

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)



Fans now loudly accuse the Giants’ brain trust of not only bungling this season but ruining the team’s future, too.

At the center of it all is Eli Manning, the beloved quarterback who brought the team its last two championships, winning the Most Valuable Player Award in each Super Bowl, but who is well past his prime.


Ruining the future?

Wow that's harsh.

I took the Giants and the points, (a crazy +5 1/2) as everyone scores on Atlanta's D, should be a high-scoring affair.

But reading that article I may make some "late changes for the "bettor".

I play in an ATS pool and having a very poor season so far, as are most people, from what I can tell.

of 20 players, 2 are over .500, and only one in the money when accounting for vig.

too much uncertainty and too many young QBs who play hot and cold and hot
 
its good to be the house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
back door cover

NY/NJ rejoices!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 08:47:08 AM
Wow - talk about your misleading headlines:

Matt shines, Eli struggles........

What?

31-39 for Ryan
27-38 for Eli

10+ yards per attempt for Eli
<10 yards per for Ryan

1 TD/ 0 int for each

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
Which guy got more fantasy points?

G-Men left too many guys on base

couldn't get a hit with RISP.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 23, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.

boz whaddayamean?

This is an offense that is built for a long post season run!!!

I'm just thankful the Maras are keeping it together.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
Nice job by Giants getting Apple's value up to at least a respectable level.

Byyyyyye, Annnnnnniee........
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 23, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Bleacher Report's got an opinion piece that perhaps the Giants aren't ruining their future, but they are wasting OBJ's career:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802329-giants-squandering-odell-beckhams-prime-by-refusing-to-address-the-eli-problem?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
 Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2018, 09:45:13 AM
I don't see him playing very long. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:25:54 AM
Apple trade -

Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.

If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.

But....

somehow I think its the latter.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 24, 2018, 11:24:24 AM
Apple trade -

Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.

If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.

But....

somehow I think its the latter.
Eli Manning is an untreadable asset. Not that he is not better than several other Quarterbacks, but the geams.with worse ones would not be interested in Manning.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 11:45:15 AM
Hmmm........

Not so sure

There are teams that are close - and not 100% thrilled with their current QB situation.

Could such a team rework their cap situation to fit Eli in?

Likely there is such as scenario - sure

At issue would be what the Giants demand and if that would then squelch the deal.

But again - if Gettleman thinks Giants can be a playoff team with Eli in 2019-20.......he stays anyway.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
Eli's due $23M next year, then a UFA, so one has to wonder what team trades for an immobile 38 YO QB on the hope they can adequately protect him?

The speculation was the Jville and Coughlin might be a landing spot.

But with the Giants breaking up the D, (Apple, Harrison and who's next?) it seems next years draft might have to be dedicated to Eli's eventual replacement, defense with some O-line FAs added in.

There are a lot of holes on that team.

I'd still dangle OBJ to see what I could get for him.

He's a cancer that I've thought the Giants would be better off without. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Giants are being more than patient with Odell - but if overwhelmed with an offer, might send him somewhere.

Isnt the first superstar to act the fool when losing, thats for sure.

(They aint all Larry Fitzgeralds, I am sure you know)

I like the DT from HOU in first round next year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
He's acted like a fool since his one-handed catch.

and he believed the hype.

G-Men, Coughlin in particular, blew it by allowing it to continue, but TC was afraid for his job so he allowed the tail to wag the dog.

Damn shame.

should have traded him before they signed him to a golden anchor.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
".......and he believed the hype"

Not sure what this means.

I will let you retract if you like.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
".......and he believed the hype"

Not sure what this means.

I will let you retract if you like.

I'm perfectly comfortable with what I've posted.

Today and over the past few years, as they are perfectly consistent.

His 1-hadned catch went to his head and he's acted like a spoiled brat prima dona ever since.

I don't think he's worth the bullshit he brings to the Giants.

And more and more I hear more and more Giant fans come to the same conclusion.

the Giants are now attached to him with a golden anchor.

they should have traded him in the off-season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 09:56:35 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?

Why the fuck are you asking me?

I shared an article - why don't you ask the writer?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:47:12 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 01:18:34 AM
Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?

Why the fuck are you asking me?


Its an open forum, Pricie.

You never have to answer if you dont wish.

YG gave the idiot response in your place
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 01:20:41 AM


Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

Thanks

I will let them know to dangle Barkley for a first year QB as well

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 02:24:14 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/eli-manning-is-headed-for-bench-its-just-a-matter-of-when/

You can let the Post know, too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:13:45 AM
Did you not do the reading, young lad?

Issue wasnt Eli - and I agree with the Post unless they win next 3.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 10:05:50 AM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 10:34:26 AM
I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:06:33 AM
Could be

I see the line is roughly a PK or Skins -1

I'm having a Costanza year, and ready to go for chicken salad on rye, untoasted, with a cup of tea.


IMO a G-Men win would be a band-aid on a pretty deep wound.

So they'll probably win by 3 TDs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
We're basically looking at the 1970's Giants.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:19:19 AM
It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.

I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.

kind of a leading indicator.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

And as I said -

ISSUE WASNT ELI

But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.



It's both.

But mostly losing to Eli TWICE is the driver of the ridiculous commentary bankshot has thrown up here.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 06:22:48 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.

Not bitter at all.

Its a game played by others and I'm just a spectator being entertained.

I do find some of the strategic and management elements interesting and enjoy applying my knowlege and relevant experiences, both professional and personal to some of the situations.

I understand you do not understand.

But over time if you pay attentin, you may.

Its was always about Eli.

And whether to stick with him or look for his successor.

You just did not understand it.

Or that Giant management horribly mismanaged the situation.

People, at least most with a functioning brain and a modicum of understanding of the game, are starting to understand how badly they fucked up.

Not to worry, eventually it will dawn on you.



As for Utley, you may notice he follows me around like a lost puppy.

I own the idiot, and have for years.

You want to rent some space in his head?

I totally own that.

Its small and pointy, but its empty, and as you can tell its hardly used.

The views not very good though, as Utley generally has his head up his ass.

You might like it.

Make me a reasonable offer.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
 Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins

24-14 final

Under 44.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

And as I said -

ISSUE WASNT ELI

But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.

Yes.

You're delusional.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:57:57 PM
Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins

24-14 final

Under 44.5

The under seems pretty well trampled at this point. The Dolphins are trying hard to preserve their gap so you win on Houston's covering, at least!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 08:13:16 AM
heh

Thanks for keeping me updated...

1-0
1-0
0-1

.667 composite.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 10:03:39 AM
Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning

Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)

O/U is 41.5

Eagles 24  Jags 19

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
18 of the 20 people in my ATS pool had Houston last night.

I got lucky.

I also have Iggles Sunday morning.

I aspire to achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin as that was my goal and expectation of picking full ATS slates.

So far, about 90% of that pool, have fallen short of that goal,.

Its been a tough year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Rest of the Sunday/Monday slate:


Pittsburgh -8.5  vs Browns     51

Kansas City -10 vs Broncos    55

Chicago -7  vs  Jets    45.5

Redskins  -1  @  NY Giants    42

Detroit  -3  vs Seahawks  49.5

Cincinnati  -4.5 vs  Buccaneers    54

Ravens  -2  @  Carolina   43.5

Colts  -3  @  Oakland   50

Arizona  -1  vs  49ers   43

LA Rams -9  vs  Packers    57

Minnesota -1  vs  Saints   53

Patriots -14  @  Buffalo    44.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 12:04:50 PM


Pittsburgh -8.5  vs Browns     51     PIT  31-17

Kansas City -10 vs Broncos    55     KC  34-17

Chicago -7  vs  Jets    45.5          CHI  27-16

Redskins  -1  @  NY Giants    42    NYG  23-21

Detroit  -3  vs Seahawks  49.5      SEA  27-24

Cincinnati  -4.5 vs  Buccaneers    54    CIN  28-24 (Bucs cover)

Ravens  -2  @  Carolina   43.5    BAL  20-17

Colts  -3  @  Oakland   50    IND  30-24

Arizona  -1  vs  49ers   43   SF  24-21

LA Rams -9  vs  Packers    57    LAR  31-27 (Pack covers)

Minnesota -1  vs  Saints   53   MIN  31-28

Patriots -14  @  Buffalo    44.5    NE  30-17 (Bills cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:09:42 PM
Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning

Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)

O/U is 41.5

Eagles 24  Jags 19

Almost hit the EXACTA

Good Sunday start.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Eliiiiiiii..... very poor, son.  (edit - damn nice play by DB.  Eli didnt see it, OBJ looked open)

- By the way, I take Barkley and Beckham with any decent QB.  Always in the game with this duo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:15:25 PM
I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.

I bit on that one

Pretty decent looking Skins squad today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:17:30 PM
Nobody blocked the QB

OY!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:18:00 PM
Do the Giants know Barkley is still in this game?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
7-2 winners

6-3 ATS
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 04:50:53 PM
Felt bad for Opie, it looked like he just wanted to go home.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
I think I am ready for a mobile QB.......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:28:26 PM
Damn - Arizona with a heartbreaker over SF

Nice job by Couldhavebeenagiant Rosen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:48:00 PM
Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh

9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)

21-14 composite (.600)

Meh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 28, 2018, 07:49:50 PM
Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh

9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)

21-14 composite (.600)

Meh.
Screwwing over his fantasy owners to help his team. Where the Fuck are his loyalties?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 08:26:03 AM
I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Quarterback is not my problem. My problem is my wide receivers suck balls.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 10:28:33 AM
Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight

Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White

Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners.  Tonight might be another time - heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 11:07:16 AM
Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight

Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White

Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners.  Tonight might be another time - heh
Maybe he can have White TAKE A FUCKING KNEE ON THE WAY TO SIX POINTS.

Fortunately, my suck balls wide receivers made those points irrelevant for me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 01:27:23 PM
Browns fire Jackson as HC.

Hue's next?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Browns fire Jackson as HC.

Hue's next?
I suspect Tito is safe. For the record my Lincoln Riley post on CFB came several hours before that news broke.

The Browns are a poorly coached team. Penalties and lack of preparation.

True interesting fact: six straight Browns head coaches have been fired the week after the second Steelers game. Mostly, that has been because it is usually the last game of the year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 01:48:48 PM
OC Haley too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 02:02:34 PM
OC Haley too.

They fired Halley too?

Watching Hard Knocks" it was hard to ignore there seemed to be 2 HCs in competition with each other.

the fat O-line coach who drove the Ferrari should be considered.

Any fat guy who can get into and out of a Ferrari should be of value in any tight situation.

or maybe Sonny Weaver can be an interim guy. Coaching is in his blood. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2018, 06:55:44 AM
Nice late cover by Pats

Ouch

10-4 winners
8-6 ATS
4-9 O/U
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
ugly game last night but

AWINZAWIN

Pats missed Sony and Gronk looked stiff

and Commander Brady and his lost Patriot O-men looked lost in the red zone

and got bailed out by Ghost and a pick-6

Bills played tough with no QB

next week might be different for Pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Opie's job may be safe, at least for the next week or so.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation)

Lauletta was trying to make a right turn from the wrong lane in his Jaguar to get to Route 495 West, according to a statement by the Weehawken Police Department. He was told to keep going straight, but Lauletta almost struck an officer while making the illegal turn and then "refused various instructions" after he was stopped by another officer at the end of the on-ramp.

He was charged with eluding police, obstructing administration of law, resisting arrest, reckless driving, disregarding an officer's directions, improper turn in a marked traffic lane and failure to remain in a marked lane.

Police also said the same car was involved in a "similar incident" at the same location Monday, and a summons was issued by mail after the car owned by Lauletta had not stopped and left the scene.


Seems Barney Fife wrote him up.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 31, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Thursday night clash


San Francisco (-3)  27  Raiders  21   OVER 47
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.

I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.

kind of a leading indicator.

Halloween recap: Darnold v Eli 3-1

I felt sorry for Opie I told him I wished instead of a candy bar I could give him an O-line.

His dad snickered.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 01:16:59 PM
speaking of QB competition, good one on Sunday night when Rodgers comes to Foxboro for the first time to face-off against Brady.

.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 02, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Thursday night clash


San Francisco (-3)  27  Raiders  21   OVER 47

Dang

I would be real good without these over/unders
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 10:15:08 AM
NFL lines for Sunday  11/4


Minnesota  -5.5  vs  Detroit  (50.5)

Kansas City  -8.5  at Cleveland   (52)

Baltimore  -3  vs Pittsburgh   (47)

Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay   (54)

Miami  -3  vs  NY Jets   (45)

Washington  -1.5  vs  Atlanta   (47.5)

Chicago  -9  at  Buffalo   (37)

Denver  -2.5  vs  Houston   (46.5)

Seattle  -1.5  vs  LA Chargers   (48)

New Orleans  -1  vs  LA Rams   (60)

New England  -6  vs  Green Bay   (56.5)

Dallas  -6.5  vs  Tennessee   (41)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 10:38:56 AM


Minnesota  -5.5  vs  Detroit  (50.5)     Vikes  30-24

Kansas City  -8.5  at Cleveland   (52)    Chiefs  35-28  (CLE covers)

Baltimore  -3  vs Pittsburgh   (47)    Steelers 21-17

Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay   (54)    Panthers 31-21

Miami  -3  vs  NY Jets   (45)    Dolphins 24-17

Washington  -1.5  vs  Atlanta   (47.5)    Falcons 28-25

Chicago  -9  at  Buffalo   (37)    Bears  24-10

Denver  -2.5  vs  Houston   (46.5)    Texans 24-21

Seattle  -1.5  vs  LA Chargers   (48)    Seahawks  27-24

New Orleans  -1  vs  LA Rams   (60)    Saints 33-29

New England  -6  vs  Green Bay   (56.5)     Packers  37-31

Dallas  -6.5  vs  Tennessee   (41)   Cowboys  21-17  (Titans cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
Anyone playing?

Nah.....didnt think so.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 02:21:42 PM
Nice half for Darnold

Just audible to a handoff, son.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 05:08:56 PM
OMG

Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.

Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 04, 2018, 05:43:19 PM
OMG

Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.

Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Justin Gilbert.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 04, 2018, 08:21:04 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

(Over/Under? Why would we mention that?!)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
Think I got at least 4 on the O/U

White scored already?  Nice.  Good player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 04, 2018, 11:54:29 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

You got the Patriots' score on the nose...

Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 05, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.

Probably. BB doesn't invest a lot of original capital in WR, and when he does he misses or gets unlucky.

Gordon's got great hands, as it seems if he's got a hold of something, he's got it. Or he's got OBJ's glove, or Rice's "stick'em".

He had his best game as a Pat last night.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

You got the Patriots' score on the nose...

Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.

Yep - the forced fumble was the killer at 17-all.

And turns out we were 6-6 on the O/U - the usual mediocrity.

Onward with Titans to cover.  Last 2 weeks have not been kind on Sunday/Monday
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 03:22:58 PM
Momentum seemed to be going all one way for the Pack in the 3rd qtr.

they tied the game, the Pats got stage fright at the goal line, 

RUN THE FUCKING BALL

and after a couple of punts-the Pack seemed to put together a go ahead drive.

They fumbled,

Josh goes deep into the play book

Pack cracks

Game over


a couplke of punts and then the Pack   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 04:05:21 PM
Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?

Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.

Needs the guy, after all.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?

Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.

Needs the guy, after all.

He needs someone to throw to, and the guy knows how to catch.

What do yuo mean by patience?

Teaching, spending time with a new team mate into a new system?

Gordon (to me) has made a solid and growing contribution over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 09:13:37 PM
Turns out it wasnt patience.  Play was for Edelman and TB just happened to see Gordon

But I was alluding to the slip and fall in the end zone.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 08, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Thursday nighter week 10

Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)

O/U is 51.5

The pick is

Steelers and the over

31-24 final
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 08, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
Thursday nighter week 10

Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)

O/U is 51.5

The pick is

Steelers and the over

31-24 final

Is Brown playing tonight?!

I'll pick the Panthers against the spread. And the under. 27-24, Steelers.

Demonstrating, again, my acumen for football progonstication!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2018, 07:30:37 PM
The Dez Era as a Saint may be over before it starts.

Rumored torn Achilles tendon at practice today.

If confirmed by MRI, there'll be no marchin' in for Dez for about 8 months.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 11:46:12 AM
Today's odds


Ny Jets  -7.5  vs  Bills   37

Falcons  -4  @  Browns   51

Saints  -4.5  @  Bengals   54

Buccaneers  -2.5  vs Redskins   51.5

Patriots  -7  @  Titans  46.5

Packers  -9  vs  Dolphins   47.5

Colts  -3  vs  Jaguars   47

Bears  -6.5  vs  Lions   45

Chiefs  -16.5  vs  Cardinals   50

Chargers  -9.5  @  Oakland   50.5

Rams  -10  vs  Seahawks   51.5

Eagles  -6  vs  Cowboys   43.5

49ers  -3  vs  Giants   43.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 12:17:39 PM

Today's odds


Ny Jets  -7.5  vs  Bills   37    Jets  24-14

Falcons  -4  @  Browns   51   Falcons  31-24

Saints  -4.5  @  Bengals   54    Saints  30-27 (Bengals cover)

Buccaneers  -2.5  vs Redskins   51.5   Skins  24-21

Patriots  -7  @  Titans  46.5   Patriots  27-17

Packers  -9  vs  Dolphins   47.5   Packers  30-17

Colts  -3  vs  Jaguars   47    Colts  27-21

Bears  -6.5  vs  Lions   45   Bears  23-20  (Lions cover)

Chiefs  -16.5  vs  Cardinals   50   Chiefs 40-17

Chargers  -9.5  @  Oakland   50.5  Chargers  27-19

Rams  -10  vs  Seahawks   51.5   Rams 31-23  (SEA covers)

Eagles  -6  vs  Cowboys   43.5   Eagles  29-17

49ers  -3  vs  Giants   43.5   Niners  24-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
First visit to FAN DUEL Sports Betting the other night

Reinforced that I need to stay away - heh

Won my Steelers bets but gave it all back on silly stuff.

(Should have bets - TD by Smith Schuster was a +550 and by Steelers D/ST a pretty good number as well.
 Celts and Rockets let me down - 2 cold teams on the road - brilliant)

Nice place though

If I go with just a hundy and 20 bucks for a few beers I will be fine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 11, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
No idea what's up with the rest of your games, Kiid, but it looks like your Falcons and Patriots predictions are at least partially off.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 11, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
Titans thoroughly whipped the Pats from kick-off top final whistle

They haven't had their ass kicked like that in a long time.

F'ugly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 07:48:56 PM
Whew  what a week

Somehow got out of that at 9-3, 4-7-1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 11, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
I think that without even a moderately healthy Gronkowski, the Pats have little chance this season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 11, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
I think that's true.

But with or w/o Gronk they haven't looked or really played like a SB-contending team so far.

Today they were terrible and a party-bus full of healthy Gronks may not have made a difference.

The bye week is coming at a good time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 11, 2018, 11:32:57 PM
How bad are the Jets
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
We will find out as soon as a real coach comes in

But usually a rookie qb and no stud offensive skill players doesn't portend greatness
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2018, 02:00:27 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2018, 04:38:20 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0

Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 12, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 12, 2018, 05:48:11 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Those SC quarterbacks are known for their skills once they reach the NFL 😄
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 07:25:19 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!

Shady can still play when it gets blocked

McCown should be ashamed.  Just wasn't ready.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!

Shady can still play when it gets blocked

McCown should be ashamed.  Just wasn't ready.
Alternatively, he remains McCown.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 13, 2018, 08:06:19 AM
Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 13, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
More, nip Niners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 09:49:59 AM
NFL bails out on Mexico City

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html)


LOS ANGELES — The NFL moved the Rams’ Monday night showdown with the Kansas City Chiefs from Mexico City to Los Angeles on Tuesday due to the poor condition of the field at Azteca Stadium.

The league announced the extraordinary decision six days before one of the most-anticipated regular-season games of the year.

In a news release, the league said it determined that the recently re-sodded field at Mexico City’s historic stadium ‘‘does not meet NFL standards for playability and consistency, and will not meet those standards by next Monday.’’



I remember the good old days when Mexican grass was the gold standard of grass, but I'm not sure it was ever a good idea to play football on Mexican grass. Maybe ultimate frisbee, but certainly not football.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 15, 2018, 05:19:11 PM
Thursday nighter

Seattle -2.5 vs Green Bay  O/U 49

Pick is Pack and the over

27-24 Green Bay
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
NFL line for Sunday

(home team has name of state/city)


11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
 2 real bets tomorrow

Parlay - Giants-Bucs over 52.5 with Eagles-Saints over 56

Parlay moneyline wins - Steelers, Falcons, Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 18, 2018, 11:37:23 AM

NFL line for Sunday

(home team has name of state/city)


11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51  27-21 Panthers
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48  27-19 ATL
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off 24-21 Bengals 
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48  27-24 Colts 
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5  22-19 Skins
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52  30 -27 Giants
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5  27-17 Steelers
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5  28-17 Chargers
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5  20-14  AZ
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55  38-27 Saints
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5 23-21 Bears
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5  34-31 Chiefs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 18, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
Quit spamming the Board.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 18, 2018, 02:14:20 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2018, 03:00:53 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.

Rumor has it she wants Cheney as OC and Rumsfeld as DC. and Dubya to run very special teams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 18, 2018, 04:45:57 PM
Heh

This day is not to be believed

Good job Pitt and NY

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Somehow got out 5-6-1 vs the number.

But just 5 of 12 game winners.
Wow.

Fun day.  In all, including Thursday, 10 of 12 decided by 5 points or less.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
Quit spamming the Board.

Public service

But my bad.  Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u

Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.

Cmon YG.  Play along next week.  Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Tell ya what .... Friendly wagering.

Weeks 12-17

3 of us.  Winner gets t-shirt and hat of choice from the 2 losers (1 each)

Lets do this.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 19, 2018, 10:00:10 AM
I don't gamble.  Sorry. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 19, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
Quit spamming the Board.

Public service

But my bad.  Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise

Heh
Guy like [ME]!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u

Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.

Cmon YG.  Play along next week.  Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.

kid are you still still upset years after I called you out for past-posting your picks?

You should get over it.

You were caught cheating.

And then acted childish about it.

And you still are.

kid likes to play by his own rules and touting only his "wins".

But as most understand he still loses.

SSDD

And as kid knows, I've always given an honest count to everyone in the contests I've administered.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
kid just scroll on past this.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay)

Browns out on Condi.


her 15 minutes are up.

The Browns released a statement Sunday denying rumors that the team wants to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for the head coaching position.

"Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a great leader, possesses the highest possible character and also happens to be a Browns fan," general manager John Dorsey said in a statement. "I have the utmost respect and admiration for all she's accomplished and was honored to meet her earlier this season.

"Our coaching search will be thorough and deliberate, but we are still in the process of composing the list of candidates and Secretary Rice has not been discussed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 11:32:07 AM
I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.

It seemed far-fetched, but someone sent up smoke signals.

speaking of which, I heard that in the event Tito retires, the Cleveland Indians have serious interest in Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
Having Cam Erving try to block Aaron Donald is a great way to get your quarterback killed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 11:23:34 PM
Good lord.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
you praying for divine intervention?

crazy game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 11:57:20 PM
Holy shit Rams adopt Andy Reid level stupid clock management.

Even Andy thinks so.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
that game was nuts
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 20, 2018, 12:00:24 AM
I am exhausted.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
week 12 line  Turkey Day

Bears -4 @ Detroit  45
Dallas -7.5 vs Redskins  40.5
New Orleans -13 vs Falcons  60
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
Taking the home teams.  Only OVER is Dallas/Skins
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 21, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
That Boys/Birds line looks suspiciously high.

I like the ATL, but Vegas is telling you that’s the wrong side.

Love the Bears.

Safe and happy thanksgiving to all!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 03:32:58 PM
Well.....some news

Trubisky is a little iffy ....that line is down to 3 or 3.5 now.

And I am sure you heard Skins are minus their qb.  That line started at 9.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 21, 2018, 11:43:04 PM
That's what the NFL has to offer. Tackling is no longer allowed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 22, 2018, 11:33:00 AM
That’s all you got??

It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.

The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.

It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??

Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.

TURN.  THE.  TELEVISION.  OFF.

You just got SMOKED.

TURKEY.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 22, 2018, 11:39:19 AM
You may want to go back for sweet potato...

BECAUSE YOU’VE

BEEN

SERVED
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
That’s all you got??

It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.

The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.

It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??

Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.

TURN.  THE.  TELEVISION.  OFF.

You just got SMOKED.

TURKEY.

Don't drink and post. Johnny Walker ain't your friend.

Nor is Wild Turkey, Gamecocksucker.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 24, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.

If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.

If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.

This is a FORUM of MEN.

If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.

Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.

If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.

If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.

This is a FORUM of MEN.

If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.

Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.

Have another pickleback, dope.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 25, 2018, 02:17:17 PM
Bengals pick not looking too good. In related news, I picked the right week to start Baker Mayfield in fantasy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 04:02:37 PM
Kearse drops the cover TD
Some of these pros really suck balls
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 25, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 25, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Not a great day, so far.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:28:15 PM
BUTLER!

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 07:28:42 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Not a great day, so far.

Very bad

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
terrible throw by Bennie

that was a pretty good game

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 07:32:58 PM
Only solace is possibly getting to 7-5 in fantasy with any type decent game from Cousins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
had my best week in what has been a tough year

10-3 ATS going into tonight.

Vikes -3

with a little luck I will achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 28, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
Thursday line

Saints  -7  @ DALLAS  o/u 53
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 29, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
I think Dallas can move the ball on Saints.......

With the 7........

Hmmm.......

Tough one.

Gonna stay with the hot NO squad.

34-24.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 29, 2018, 11:25:01 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.

That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.

That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.

the 0-for-37 stat seems almost impossible for a QB as talented as Rodgers, but the sample size is pretty big.

Brees had his shot at it tonight, and I was pretty certain he was going to pull off the CFBW, but...

was one of two who had Big D in my ATS pool

good start to the week 

.500 is getting closer

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 01:43:52 PM
Sunday picks


Steelers -3.5  over 51.5

Colts -4   over 47.5

Panthers -3.5        over 56.5

Ravens -1.5      under 49

Houston  -6    under 47.5

Bills +5.5   (MIA wins)  under 40

Giants  +4.5  (CHI wins)     over 45

Broncos -4      under 42.5

Rams  -10        over 54.5

Packers  -14      under 44.5

Chiefs  -15    under 55.5

Jets  +9.5  (TEN wins)     over 40.5

New England  -6     over 48.5

Niners   +10  (SEA wins)      over 46

Eagles  -6.5   under 44.5

 




Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
Kirk Cousins says, "Not so fast" after Zimmer correctly challenges From I spot and Pats simply don't get half a yard.

Good coaching.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 05:51:25 PM
Chance to be 10-3 vs spread, though San Fran not looking great right now
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
Wow - can't make this Jets shit up
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
Freakin ridiculous non call on Chargers TD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
Pittsburgh totally outcoached second straight week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Can we even finish 9-6-1 now?  And if we do is it enough to win division?

Another zebra getting fired.  But conversation needs to start on Tomlin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 03, 2018, 09:56:40 PM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 04, 2018, 08:04:51 AM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 04, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.

Well, sure.

I mean, so what if Kaepernick has thrown a touchdown more recently than Sanchez. Okay, 16 of them.

And yeah, Sanchez has more interceptions in his last 9 games (partial and otherwise) than Kaepernick in his last 11.

But just because you could add Sanchez's last 3 years of QBR and they would not add up to Kaepernick's last one is no reason to hold things against him!

After all, "2/4 After losing their top two quarterbacks to injury, the Redskins are in the market for another signal caller. The Redskins will once again audition E.J. Manuel, T.J. Yates, Josh Johnson, and others," according to NFL Rumors.

Round up the usual suspects!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 06:13:59 PM
Not worth the circus.

Who complaied when Bonds wasn't signed?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 06, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
21-13 Tennessee

Jags getting 4.5. Over under is 37.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 08, 2018, 09:24:33 PM
OBJ out vs Skins

Too bad.  But Shepherd will come up big.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
The LINE
 
NFL Lines For Week 14


Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

(home team has state/city name used)

12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 10:36:39 AM


12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5       Titans 21-13
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53        Chiefs  34-24
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49                HOU  30-24
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47            CLE 23-21
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5         Green Bay 28-20
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57            Saints 35-28
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5                 Bills 21-16
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47                  Pats 31-20
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5      Skins 24-20
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5    Broncos 24-17
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5    Chargers 27-17
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5              Cards 20-17
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43                    Cowboys 24-17
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5         Steelers 31-16
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42                  Bears 24-21
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45            Seahawks 26-23
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 01:49:58 PM
Dann

Didn't play Giants D in fantasy

Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 01:51:15 PM
Eli playing well
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 02:03:04 PM
Barkley!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2018, 02:13:39 PM
Dann

Didn't play Giants D in fantasy

Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
F'ing Panthers game too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 09, 2018, 02:58:05 PM
Once again: Mark Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 03:13:57 PM
CK would be getting his ass kicked today just the same.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Giants D getting about 30 fantasy points today.  Hope it doesn't cost me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2018, 04:20:05 PM
f'ing Stanford Band play

F'ugly loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 09, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
Wait, what. The. Hell?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 09, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Dolphins with best win of the year!!!

Ravens got Mahomed.

Voodoo Saquonomics in DC.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on December 09, 2018, 04:49:29 PM
The Patriots have to be the only New Englanders who don't enjoy a trip to Miami in December
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 08:31:50 PM
 Nobody in the AFC is any fuc king good

Should be Pats again in SB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2018, 08:47:43 PM
Agreed. I think Chargers are biggest threat but need Gordon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 12, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
New video of Miami miracle: https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
looking forward to Chargers  @ Chiefs tonight, but this game should really be played Sunday afternoon at 4:25pm

in 1967
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
and don't forget Fred Arbanas!


And Lance Alworth is always all but unstoppable!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
Hadl v Dawson

Little vs Little Train

Otis T vs Lance.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Exactly.

just took a look and was surprised to see Hadl is not a HoF QB.

He was one of the early AFL bombers that made the new league fun to watch
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.

Is Fred "The Hammer" Williamson playing? Or is he still broken?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
Thursday line


KC  -3.5  vs  Chargers
O\u is 53

The pick is 34-28 Chiefs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 11:34:38 PM
Hadl had himself a helluva night.

Great CFBRW by the Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
Saturday lines

Texans  -6  @  NY Jets   41.5

Denver  -8.5  vs  Browns  46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick

Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2? 

No.  He's an idiot.  No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum

Was lucky.  Team going nowhere.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
Saturday lines

Texans  -6  @  NY Jets   41.5

Denver  -8.5  vs  Browns  46.5

Texans 21  Jets 13
Broncos 24  Browns 21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2018, 02:32:34 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 15, 2018, 04:07:35 PM
Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick

Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2? 

No.  He's an idiot.  No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum

Was lucky.  Team going nowhere.

I think some luck goes a long way.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
Fucking Texans....

There went the under...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
Heh

Somehow I get 2/3 of it.

Go Browns D.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
C'mon Mayfield

Still making occasional dumbass mistake.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 15, 2018, 09:58:40 PM
Maybe you figure out another way to increase your income.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 11:28:46 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

I know. Funny I got 8.5.  Made it easy.
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 11:51:21 PM
Oy -

1-2 winners
2-1 vs spread
2-1 o/u

Broncs coach the stinkin genius
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2018, 11:55:09 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

I know. Funny I got 8.5.  Made it easy.

I had the Browns and +3.

It was easier than finding an impossible line

and not knowing it was an impossible line

yankguy was right, you should listen to him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:54:29 AM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
"I had the Browns +3"

So did Vance Joseph.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

 

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Picks

Giants -2.5  over 43.5
Jags -7   over 36
Cardinals +9  over 44
49ers +5.5  under 44

Vikes -7  under 43
Raiders +3  under 46.5
Eagles +9  over 41
Saints -6.5  over 52

Bills -2.5  under 44.5
Cowboys +2  over 41.5
Bears -5.5  under 45
Steelers +1  under 52
Bucs +8  over 46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:10:46 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 02:34:24 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.

that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public

that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.

your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.

that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public

that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.

your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.

In the pool.  Yep.  Must have been a misprint

Nice win with the +3.  Browns playing good ball for Robinson.  And Mayfield appears to have been an ok pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 16, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
Robinson?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 07:21:56 PM
need a terrible towel or one more flag to wipe up that Nantzgasm

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 07:22:34 PM
Yeah, baby!!!!

NE went away from White.  No idea why.

Stephen A has his monologue (Tomlin)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
they went away from White 2 weeks ago when Burkhead came back

ther offense was brutal today

can't remember so many pre-snap penalties or holding calls

it killed any potential momentum

tack on a few dropped passes...

Pats pretty much sucked today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
The last drive.  He was in.  All set.  But Tommy went to his white (non White) boys.

Heh.

Fuck Burkhead.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 16, 2018, 10:01:34 PM
How 'bout dem Colts!
Ha!

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
How bout them Steelers?

May be different in Foxboro, I know.

Still beats being just a game ahead of the Brownies, as the danger was.

Heh.  Love that (hate that) Tomlin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 17, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.

2 very nice skill players....

And I like .....Robinson.....ahem.....Williams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 18, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Semifinal lineup in fantasy:

(Thanks, McCaffrey and Saints D for at least showing up - heh)

Qb - 11
Rb 1 - 19
Rb 2- 3
Wr1 - 0
Wr2 - 2
Te - 3
W/R/T - 1
K - 0
D - 12

Loss - 46 points

But battle for third does look for week 16.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 11:28:07 AM
Well, that was.... somewheres between "expected" and "inevitable".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2018, 12:13:56 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 04:58:39 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.

Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 06:33:23 PM
The other shoe dropped:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&ampcf=1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.

Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.

Assuming they win the AFC East, (hoe against the Bills and Jets) they have two weeks+ to tinker and find a fix.  I imagine we'll see more of James White, and Hogan and Dorsett might get dusted off. Bigger picture, while the road to the SB looks open to lots of teams, I don't expect the pats to get very far down the road. They haven't been very good this year and for lots of reasons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
NFL odds week 16

Tennessee  -10  Redskins   37     no pick
LA Chargers  -4.5  Ravens  44.5   no pick
Dallas  -7  Buccaneers  46.5   27-17
New England  -12.5  Bills   45    31-17
Carolina  -4  Falcons  50     24-27
Miami  -4.5  Jaguars  39       23-13
Indy  -9  Giants  46.5      21-23
Philly  -1  Texans  45.5     23-26
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Vikings  -5.5  Detroit  43.5    27-20
NY Jets -1  Packers  44      17-20
Cleveland -7  Bengals  45.5    27-17
Rams -14  Arizona  47.5      24-17
Bears  -4  San Francisco  42.5     28-17
New Orleans  -6  Steelers  57    31-34
Chiefs  -2.5  Seattle  53.5    27-30
Broncos  -2.5  Oakland  45    23-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
The other shoe dropped:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&ampcf=1

Agree.

Pats(STEELERS) out of SB.

FIXED
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 01:14:02 PM
Barkley!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 23, 2018, 05:02:09 PM
lots of back doors covers today

musta been a sale down at the Sears
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 23, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
refs screwed the Steelers with that gift PI call for Brees

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 23, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Eagles-Skins game on Sunday now has meaning, and they're calling Foles..St. Nick, of course! Pats fans should be happy that St. Nick brought the team down to score, because the Texans losing keeps Pats alive for a first round bye.

But Foles's QBing meant more:

Indy and Tennessee play in Week 17. If Houston loses at home to the Jaguars, the winner of Colts-Titans would claim the AFC North. Even if Houston wins, a Ravens loss to the Browns would get the winner in. And even if the Ravens win, a Steelers loss to the Saints [gives] Baltimore the AFC North title and allow the winner of Colts-Titans in as a wild card.

Source:cbssports.com

Next Sunday, I think they start all those games at the same time.

Ho, Ho, Friggin' Ho!!!

St. Nick, indeed.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 24, 2018, 08:31:53 AM
8-4-1

Tough losses -

Texans, Pats, Cowboys (push)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 24, 2018, 09:54:22 AM
Got a shot at win 10 tonight and inching closer to .a 500 season.

I aspire to a 3rd place pool finish and the record of a fairly flipped coin!

heh
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: jbottle on December 27, 2018, 05:30:21 PM
Trainer/Nutritionist Danny O’Shaunnesy is under internal investigation status at CLEM.  He was close with and regularly had lunch with the three players in question...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
Winners vs spread today

Giants  -6
Patriots -13.5
New Orleans -7.5
Green Bay -8

Jags +7
Falcons -1
Bills -3.5
Baltimore -6

KC -13.5
Eagles -6.5
Steelers -14.5
Bears +5

Chargers -6.5
Cardinals +13.5
Rams -10
Colts -3
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 30, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 02:59:32 PM
Pats and Ravens were my best bets

Looking at 2-5 early....ouch.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 03:13:57 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 03:48:31 PM
Barkley!!!

Nice day for Eli as well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Shame.  Eli put the ball right where it needed to be on 4th.

Play calling was severely lacking.  Just needed 15 yards and had over a minute.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
Fake punt on 4th and 5 last week, with a lead

And now 4th and 1 at opponents 43 and Tomlin punts
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 05:24:31 PM
3 of my picks I really didn't feel great about

Giants  Cardinals  Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 31, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
Shurmer must go. When you lose that many games late, It's the coach.

 Ravens caught a big break with the Jackson fumble that Peppers picked up. He was heading for 6 the other way when whistle blower stopped the play.

50 years since Jets beat the Colts in SB3.

Suffer some more, Jets fans.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 31, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Whatever compromising photos Marvin Lewis had of Mike Brown are about to be published.

Rumors we will be replaced be Lose Jackson are probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 31, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Re:  Browns

Nice effort.  Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.

Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.

Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2018, 01:24:24 PM
Re:  Browns

Nice effort.  Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.

Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.

Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.

"Ravens"

but your point about the Browns play-calling stands.

plenty of time for a screen-pass or even try to run the ball

that game had last second FG all but stamped on it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 31, 2018, 04:52:27 PM
Lots of NFL jobs open!

I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!

But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 31, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Lots of NFL jobs open!

I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!

But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
Finished below the Browns.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on January 01, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
The Browns have a mothereffer at qb an after going 0-16 or whatever in draft, that, I “you like that”
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 04, 2019, 09:13:10 AM
Boston source: Patriots get to skip playoffs and enter Super Bowl.

https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html)

Keep those balls inflated, gentlemen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
AFC is wide open, but don't love Pats chances this year, too many vulnerabilities.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 04, 2019, 02:10:36 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.

to me of the 6 AFC teams Texans is the least atrractive (straight win)

IMO Chiefs-Pats-Ravens are all about the same, then Chargers

Don't see a clear favorite

wouldn't be shocked w/a Saints-Bears NFC championship game

Brees at home would be the pick

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 04, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
Heh

Sure thing.  Chiefs, Ravens even.

Got it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 08:55:59 PM
I like teams that play defense.

Ravens probably have the best defense in the AFC.

KC the worst among the 6 AFC post-season teams.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 03:28:08 PM
26-19 HOU
23-20  SEA
Tomorrow its Chargers and Bears vs spread in case I don't get back
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 03:36:12 PM
Ok here we go....

300 bucks to start

NFL playoffs only

Play along if you like.  Odds are here:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

First bet

HOU to win AFC   $20  at 10-1

Second bet

Bears to win Super Bowl  $30  at  8-1

3rd bet

$20  money line parlay  Seahawks, Chargers.

Takes me down to $230.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 04:59:19 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21

didn't take long for the Texans to turtle.

shoulda stuck with my first impression

I should get my glasses checked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
Romeo with the well thought out game plan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:35:50 PM
I think 20 just saved the game.  Texans injuries pile up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 05, 2019, 05:52:49 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.


Um..I know games have two halves, but, how's that Houston thing looking right now?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 05, 2019, 05:53:43 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21

Well...there two halves...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
Looks like Pats get Chargers.

Not what they wanted.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
Ravens lose already?

I assume BB might have been rooting for the Texans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Well....got the UNDER

Correction on Seahawks

24-21, thus putting it OVER the 43.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
"Should have gone to the backup QB"

-  Yes
-   No
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 08:16:28 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
Really, Garrett?  58 yards?

Idiot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 09:26:02 PM
HOU actually had every chance at 24-21.  Sad offensive display.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 11:02:48 PM
I guess so, but being in a 0-21 hole sort of works against most reasonable chances of getting to 24-21..

Colts basically kicked their ass.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:05:21 PM
Ha!  Knew that flag was coming.  Great working of refs by Garrett.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2019, 11:09:20 PM
I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:30:57 PM
For tomorrow.. 

Chargers 23-20
Bears 23-16
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:34:53 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20

Almost had it perfect

But I get the cover.

You had money line and the over at least.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.

I don't have any cash on these games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 12:25:09 PM
1st game I'm sticking with 24-20

Poe's Crows 24

Sons of Lance Alworth 20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 12:41:01 PM
 Money already moving in on KC vs Indy.  Up to 5.5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 12:45:17 PM
Over/under on early game has moved to 43.  I have it right on that number but it was 41.5 when I made the pick.

Had both O/U yesterday plus the SEA cover.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20

Almost had it perfect

But I get the cover.

You had money line and the over at least.

Yahoo pick'em had the game as Dallas + 1 1/2

go figure

so got all 3 elements.

didn't bet it though


still in 5th place of 20 ATS players

got a shot at 3rd

and still holding out hope (small) for a breakeven year on full slate

but am running out of games
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
Ravens can't seem to keep their claws on the ball

Yahoo lines this round

Favored   Ind   Sea   Bal   Chi   
Spread   1.5   1.5   2.5   5.5   
Underdog   Hou   Dal   LAC   Phi   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 06, 2019, 02:03:07 PM
 Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 06, 2019, 02:24:51 PM
Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
I thought he played with John Hadl.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
Lamar no-showed.

Flacco time?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
a lot going on with that TD

so it seems it will be Pats-Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 06, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
San Diego Super Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:15:15 PM
game got interesting
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:39:18 PM
Pats opened at -4 1/2
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
sticking with 24-20

wit da Bears winning
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
Wow.

Quite the ending - and a crusher for the Bears.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
double doinker nut punch loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Shame.

Nice job, Trubisky.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 06, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
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Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
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I have that book.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 07, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Forecast for Foxborough in 1/13: high of 31'F, feels like 22'F. Winds 12 mph gusts to 18 mph.

But will it slow down the Chargers' Pass Rush on Brady?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 07, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser

Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2

Takes me down to 180.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 08, 2019, 10:18:34 PM
$80 on Patriots money line (whatever the line is when game starts)

They certainly are NOT to be grouped in any manner with the Baltimore Ravens.

Down to 100.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
Pats -200 right now

forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro, 

cold but dry

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 09, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Brownies, Baker, Kitchens... IT JUST MAKES SENSE!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiMjcKbr-HfAhWMna0KHYzUBGcQzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F0ap3000001009178%2Farticle%2Fbrowns-promote-freddie-kitchens-to-head-coach&psig=AOvVaw3HD28bm82MoRW8CpbTc871&ust=1547146294201341
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2019, 10:06:55 PM
Pats -200 right now

forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro, 

cold but dry

Shortest price of the 4 games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser

Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2

Takes me down to 180.

I always thought teasers were usually an expensive way to buy points

but at times you might find 2, 3 teams to finagle

good luck

leaning dogs (Colts +5 1/2, Boys +7) ) today 

need to go 5-2 (remaining games) to reach .500+ ATS for season

been chasing that bogey after a brutal start.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 12, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
31-28. Chiefs. Colts cover and over the total

27-21. Rams.  Cowboys cover and the under

No money. These are contest picks.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
I guess the good news is the Colts offense should be well-rested and ready to go in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 10:40:14 AM
Anyone else think Cowboys got a horrible spot on the play prior to Elliott being stufffed on 4th and 1?

They show the replay three times, clear as day that the catch is at the red line marker (no guarantee it is same as sticks, I realize).  But analysts say nothing.

Zebras then miss holding call on the last TD.

In Colts game you get the phantom running into the kicker.  I didnt see it - maybe he had no place to land?  Radio guys seemed to think no contact.  Did they explain it on the TV feed?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 13, 2019, 11:20:38 AM
I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
Anyway......laying an egg thus far in playoffs

Composite yesterday was 2-4 (2 for winners, 0-4 for spread and O/U).  Overall is 9-9.  58% is what is considered solid. 

Need a 5-1 today (win, spread, O/U for each game)

Need a Patriots win to get the payroll to $220 from initial 300.  Chiefs late TD and the Colts WR drop late killed my parlay.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Didn't see it, I was channel surfing at that point, watching the Celts piss away another winnable game.

But i did see Colts/Luck dawdle at the line with one more chance to put up 7

my buddy who had them in a 3-team tease was pissed

spilled milk

0-2 yesteday

margin of error to beat a fairly flipped coin =0

need to run the table to end up over .500 ATS for the year

probability: slim/none

yet it confirms my long held belief that the only way to beat the house is extreme selectivity.

of 20 ATS players in my pool only 2 are over .500 (and the 52.4% breakeven)


talk that Gronk may call it a career when Pats wrap it up.

he looks broken

he's a great player and so much fun to watch

if today (whatever) is his last, I hope he has a  monster game

I think its a FG game, don't like that extra point, but I'm not betting against Pats

i think its going to be a low-scoring battle 23-(17-20)

heart over head

GO PATS

As of now I think NO wins but Philly covers

plenty of time to 2nd guess myself
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Just realized I didnt post today's actual scores

24-21 Pats (under and Chargers cover)
34-24 Saints (over and Saints cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 01:15:46 PM
I have the spreads as

-4.5/47.5 in Pats game
-8.5/51 for Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
Pats going back to White, as I said they should
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 01:40:40 PM
Jules is a baller

shaping up as the anticipated DEEEFENSIVE struggle

49-48

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
Pats O-line w/Gronk destroying Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
I think I could be perfect this week





0 and EIGHT.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
that was an ass kicking.

over in the 1st half

KC opens as 3 pt favorite next week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 08:24:16 PM
Saints open at -3 1/2
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
0-2 yesterday

2-0 today

the dream of .500 remains alive!

125-127  .496

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 14, 2019, 01:57:33 AM
I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
it was crazy but then what Collins was doing was illegal as one can not hold up a player on your team and attempt to move him so that might have been called or mot
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 14, 2019, 01:30:56 PM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 14, 2019, 01:45:22 PM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me
Maybe it was skill and knowledge. Losers blame bad luck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me

You'll get 'em next time.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 10:56:05 AM
Should have just gone 4 team moneyline parlay.  Had it cold.  :)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 01:21:27 PM
I have every confidence you'll get 'em next time

you should probably down down
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 05:51:12 PM
Its just a model.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
of your own making?

can you provide the model, or list what variables the model requires?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
Money coming in heavy on Chiefs......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
I haven't seen the line move off KC -3, and money line is about the same kc -145 to -155

but o/u has come down (58-54 1/2) I'm assuming it reflects weather report of arctic conditions


 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
KC big in this game.....

Having a  tough time with the NFC pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 17, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
Gladys Knight to perform the national anthem. I hopee she will arrive via Amtrak, preferably on one of their late departures.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 17, 2019, 02:16:29 PM
Any Pips?  I don't imagine too many of them are remaining. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 17, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
KC and NO

Moneyline and spread..

Likely will just play Moneyline parlay for 100
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 17, 2019, 02:20:24 PM
Any Pips?  I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
Pipless, I believe.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
No Pips?

Damn, The Pips doing ther dance moves to the National anthem would be must see TV.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
What's the over/under in a Pat's cheating scandal coming out before pitchers and catchers report for ST?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats

Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.

But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 03:52:33 PM
troll

you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.

It might also help with your silly obssessions.

all the best with conquering your demons

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2019, 04:37:48 PM
Chiefs -3 now -120 most places
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
probably bettors feeling better about the (milder) weather in KC?

i wonder if we'll see a move to 3 1/2.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 05:31:16 PM
troll

you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.

It might also help with your silly obssessions.

all the best with conquering your demons

You GFY, instead of the neighbors' goat, douchebag.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
sad troll he never has anything of value to add

and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades

boo-hoo
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 08:49:06 PM
sad troll he never has anything of value to add

and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades

boo-hoo

Poor banks. He eagerly projects his inadequacies on others daily.

Sad.

But predictable.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 18, 2019, 11:18:30 PM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats

Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.

But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.

That's DimBulbWard.

Please keep your antagonism straight!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
Liking like my pick will be 28-24 Chiefs.

Still working on Saints game.  Despite their recent proclivity to play under the number I think that one is a shootout.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2019, 11:59:09 AM
I will go with 38-30 New Orleans for now
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
Ok....

Bankroll is 220 from 300

Picks today

Parlay KC -3 with New Orleans -3. $40
New Orleans-LA over 57.....$44

May find something else
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 02:49:00 PM


Look for a bizarre and wrong call in the game that favors NE.
As predicted. Same shit, different game.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 03:04:57 PM
went with LA +3 1/2 Pats +3 in my  ATS contest

like the hook LA is getting and don't get many chances to get Pat points

got a couple of friendly wagers on the Pats at +3 and a slightly less friendly ML play at +150

going with Dog Day

ATTICA!

ATTICA!

NO 31

LA 28

Pats  27

KC 23

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 03:40:05 PM
Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Rams playing like they're happy to be there.

Time to just put Hekker in at QB?

(No, not exactly serious.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
Cmon, ZEBRA!

Fuckin easy call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
I fear Rams gonna regret not going for it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
Next bet

Chiefs -2.5 first half  72 to win 60

64 left....... looking at prop plays
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:59:21 PM
Holy crap
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 06:00:33 PM
This is the worst I have ever seen

Good finish coming
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
That was an amazingly bad non-call on the pass interference by the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 06:13:50 PM
Last bet

$20 on a Gronk TD at 3-1

Balance - $44
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:24:27 PM
They still didnt change that first team TD rule?

Sad.

Not yet.

Not a factor this time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 06:36:47 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:40:45 PM
Brr... 19* in KC right now, but wind chill makes it 6*.

OTOH, it won't get much, if any, cooler during the game and they have no snow on the field.

The Tube says feels like 5*.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 20, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
Normally I take the view that bad calls and missed calls happen. Your job is to overcome them, not bitch about them, and do. ot attach sig III ancestors to any one of them, no matter when in the game they happen.  But man, that call sucked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on January 20, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
Rams continue to have nice play-calling.
That early fake punt from around their own 30 was ballsy.
I thought Saints mostly outplayed the Rams, but ...

So Tom Brady v. a rook.
Gee, tough to call ...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 20, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
I was going for "do not attach significance" but Samsung had other ideas.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 07:24:43 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Jesus
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.

I agree.

[/quoteJesus.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 07:56:03 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.

I agree.

[/quoteJesus.

Lets hope not.

holding, D and O, can be called on just about every play.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
excepting that fucking pick, the Pats played a beautiful 1st half.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 20, 2019, 07:58:08 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

First half.

He was last time, too.

Second half may be different.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

that was the hope, but he looked bad in the first half they played earlier this year, annd had a pretty good 2nd half, and almost beat the pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

First half.

He was last time, too.

Second half may be different.

Reid did him no favors.

SCREEN on 3rd and 9 is the call 95% of coaches make with the young QB

Could have gone in down 7-3.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 08:57:21 PM
A SIRRIUS analyst said, I like the Chiefs but never diiscount that Reid could totally choke if he gets behind.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
I could not believe that play got called.

Can the Pats defense rise to the occasion?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:17:38 PM
So far, refs favoring Pats
 As per usual.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:19:14 PM
Sad that NO loses on zebra error. Worst hit to that town since Katrina!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:20:08 PM
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
Brees got hit harder on the pick
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:21:02 PM
Roughing the passer bad call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
And now bad call number two, and lose TO

WEAK NFL FIX.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:30:11 PM
Phantom roughing the passer may have cost KC the game.


That's the way it goes sometimes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:37:20 PM
Van Noy tried to end Mahomes season

Punk.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:38:13 PM
Wow, pick play no call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
I would have to say the refereeing today for both games has been less than stellar.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:39:18 PM
Wow, pick play no call.

agree.....

rough rough day for men in stripes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
Keep rushing 4, idiots
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
KC defense took zero risks

Sick
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
Stupid offside. Really really stupid.

Just about as stupid how do you not double Gronk on the outside on that play. About as fucking obvious as it gets, the guy upstairs saw it, I saw it. You sell your safety over there immediately. What the flying fuck? LOL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:55:48 PM
Set up for a Bears like miss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.

Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.

Scam.

Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
Kick it now.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
OT.

Alright!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:01:09 PM
Free football - but KC aint winnin

I complete my 0-12 for the last 2 weeks.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:01:53 PM
Refs force ot in both games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
KC D had their shot.  Played soft.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!

But it's been almost four hours!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:08:33 PM
Rush 5 - near sack

Next play rush 4
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Again

FOUR
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:12:11 PM
And again

FOUR
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:13:30 PM
My last NFL game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
Horseshit rule.. No reason Chiefs dont get the ball.  Said it every year.

But they deserve the loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:14:49 PM
Fix in. America knows. Refs gave this Game away.

Kc jobbed.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
ATTICA!

nice Dog day

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:16:50 PM
Great game

that was a classic
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:20:04 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:22:57 PM
They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!

But it's been almost four hours!

This may be the game that gets that rule changed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:23:25 PM
Great game

that was a classic

Really was a pretty good game. Reffing gaffs notwithstanding.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 20, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
The GOAT strikes again!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:26:25 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:27:28 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England

thanks-It was a very good day

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:29:09 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:33:04 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

If he didn't get hurt or the injuries mount up. Like I said, Maybe, probably if he didn't get hurt.

He is amazing though.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
I could imagine a rematch of those two teams again next year.

Mahomes did a fine job.

Now the Pats have to finish the job.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:39:11 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816732-missed-call-spoils-rams-win-over-saints-further-destroys-nfls-credibility

NFL's credibility further destroyed by the missed call against the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:39:26 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

You've missed a lot of football, then.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 10:51:52 PM
Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.

Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.

Scam.

Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Phantom offside?  Helen Keller would have thrown a flag.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:57:28 PM
https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489 (https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.

heh

A jab from the peanut gallery

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 11:09:33 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

You've missed a lot of football, then.

No, I've seen a lot of football and a lot of QBs, from Starr and Unitas to Staubach Elway Marino, Montana Favre Rodgers, etal and in my 60 years of watching and handicapping the game, if the goal is to win, then Brady is the guy I want under center. He is demonstrably the best ever.

YMMV

But in the years you've been whining and pissing your pants with your silly obssessions you've yet to put an articulate persusaive argument to the contray.

I would suggest as your head is so far up your ass, your vision is clouded.

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
America knows. Pat's cheat. Fix in. No one is that lucky and gets all those noncalls and calls on the road, in the playoffs.

Edelman touched the kick. That "offsides" never gets called in a game of this magnitude, pass interference on Gronk pushing off, not called, and countless more .

If Starr, Unitas, Namath, Montana got as many calls in their careers, and got to play in an era where you get a penalty for grazing the QBs chest with your hand, they'd have never list a game.

Fake championship.

NFL has become WWF.

SAD.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 11:48:18 PM
heh

yup BB, Brady and Pats have been lucky for almost 20 years.

And when luck wasn't enough they've cheated.

That certainly explains a level of sustained excellence that has never been achieved in the NFL.

As you've proven you can't articulate anything more than sour grapes, incessant whining, and idiotic rationales, perhaps you should just put your head back up your ass.

And when it securely wedged in there, eat shit loser.

bon appetite.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 12:23:40 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 21, 2019, 12:49:34 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.

Never saw Slingin' Sammy Baugh or Sid Luckman either. I just mentioned the guys I've seen play who I consider top echelon/ guys in the discussion.

From what I've read/seen/heard Graham's in the GOAT discussion.

But I don't think he's the GOAT.

It seems he usually ranked around top 5-10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne

I saw him play towards the end of his career.

No way he's GOAT.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 01:57:25 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

or the team that does not possess the ball initially in OT could play sufficient defense to win the game, if they force a stop/ yield only a FG.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I once watched the Lions lose on the OT kick off. Tackle the guy with the ball.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 02:07:45 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.

Well apparently they could be sure. ;-)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt. 

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.

The rules maven on the show made the same "can't be sure" claim during the game and I was befuddled at the time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:21:14 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:59:09 PM
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/21/chiefs-mahomes-didnt-deserve-the-ball-he-deserved-a-better-defense/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 05:32:57 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

I mean think about what you just said. To summarize it tilts to the second team. Well, that is because they got a shot. If you get the logic here.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816858-nfl-rumors-league-to-discuss-making-pass-interference-reviewable-at-length?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 07:50:37 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.

Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.

Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.

And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.

Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.

Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.

And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.

The "no field goals" approach is discussed a fair amount. It has some clear advantages in this day of dominant offenses. In the past, it would have meant more multi-overtime playoffs, I suspect, and more ties in the regular season, not that I object to those as much as some seem to.

As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 10:14:21 AM
Fair or perfectly fair?

In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.


All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.

and keep drinking.

or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.


You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on January 22, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.

Too gimmicky for me.
That'd be fine in your backyard, but for the pros ...?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2019, 02:28:53 PM
it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.

Just a little harder catch phrase.


Name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock.


I can name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock in one coin flip.



This may not catch on.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 22, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Fair or perfectly fair?

In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.


All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.

and keep drinking.

or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.

I would prefer they just played the whole 15 minutes (lather, rinse, repeat as necessary), but apparently the TV executives NFL felt that the games would run too long risk of injury would be too high, which is why the TV folks NFL shortened the regular season OT to 10 minutes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 22, 2019, 06:15:39 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.


You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Hammy was at the game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 12:18:02 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 12:31:45 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...

(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 03:02:48 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...

(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady (https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady)


The Patriots benefitted from a phantom roughing the passer call against Brady on 2nd and 7 on the New England 28-yard line.

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights)

Hogan still hasn't made that "catch", btw, unless the ground is allowed to help secure the ball, when you wear a certain uniform.

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ---Friedrich Nietzsche
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:29:53 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 03:35:03 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 23, 2019, 03:49:21 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 23, 2019, 06:31:35 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   
Since I could and did ignore him back then, did he credit crooked refs for the result of last year's Super Bowl?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   

He only thinks it is fixed for the Patriots.

And he only thinks that when they win.

IOW, his opinion is based solely on his trolling, as already noted by the lovely illustration.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)


4 incomplete passes

a fumble recovered by the Pats overturned by a phantom D-holding call

a 25 yard really iffy DPI call

a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)

a 2 yd TD run

the Chiefs were gifted a TD

so spare me this BS that the Pats were the sole beneficiary of calls.

the better team won in KC.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
Wouldn't one have to watch the game to see all that?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
yup

I was just presenting a fact-based contra-take to the troll's cut and paste hot takz.

I don't think the troll watched the game.

As it seems his hot takz always seems the same, the Pats cheated, the game was fixed,
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 10:25:04 PM
I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.

or doing a deep dive on Jamie Moyer's stats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 10:56:57 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 10:59:41 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 01:17:51 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.

I did, fool.

You did not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   

Exactly right. There is no 'fix'. It's just poor refereeing. People make mistakes and nodody is perfect. 


But give the devil his due, that even though Nietzsche never said that I have to admit it's a snappy little ditty.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:04:43 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say

He may have said, 'Sometimes people don't hear the snap count and get their quarterback destroyed.'
 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:08:48 AM
Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)


...

a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)



...

I know I saw it.

Bill needs to control himself btw. That's probably gonna come out of his pay.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:18:05 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
 (https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr)


The quote, "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed" is, at least on the Internet, often attributed to Nietzsche, e.g., goodreads, Simple Reminders, IHeartIntelligence, and all over Pinterest.

However, I cannot find any evidence for the attribution in Complete Works of Friedrich Nietzsche (Delphi Classics) or using Advanced Search on Google Books, with the search parameters, "Find results with all of the words" and "inauthor:Nietzsche" {search results}.

In addition, both QuoteFail and Wikiquotes question the attribution.

Nietzsche did write, "For the historical audit brings so much to light which is false and absurd, violent and inhuman, that the condition of pious illusion falls to pieces." 1

In the same essay he wrote, "... 'he who destroys illusions in himself and others is punished by the ultimate tyrant, Nature.'" 2

As far as I can tell, QuoteFail has it right: "This quote appears to have been created within the Tumblr-verse."


The funniest part about the page is this:

I'd be interested in knowing the source of this quote/idea as well. As Dakdeer suggests (I think), it is probably a fairly universal idea that has been espoused by a number of people. The most familiar is Jack Nicholson growling "You can't handle the truth!" – David Blomstrom Dec 10 '17 at 16:40


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 24, 2019, 10:16:48 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 10:46:57 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Maybe, maybe not.

But as you can see Nietzsche never actually said that. At best it might be a loose interpreted extrapolation of some of his writings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 24, 2019, 12:34:34 PM
Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2019, 01:12:32 PM
boz

i recall shortly after Clemson disemboweled the Sons of Bear Bryant, in the Student-Athlete Football championship, I had a brief conversation with your buddy Deej. who initially insisted the game was closer than the blowout it was. (a 28 pt win), and he cherry picked some stats which were quickly and easily debunked and the debate was for all intents and purposes over. Clemson kicked their ass, no ifs and or buts, whether it was really a 21 point win or a 35 point win. There was Bear carcass  all over Santa Clara.

Having said that I would argue that anyone watching the AFC championship OT game could successfully argue based on the voluminous game stats that the game was not as close as the scoreboard indicated.

Pats pitched a 14-0 shutout in the 1st half and it could have and should have been worse.

The 2nd half was closer and was marred by some calls/non-calls, and a fucking gift TD that briefly gave a led to the Chiefs, but justice prevailed and the better team won.

And the game stats, clearly showed that domination.

Below is a link to the game stats, they're worth a look.

they pretty much spell out how dominant the pats were, but also the expensive cost of turnovers.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850)


Troll's sad story is always the same, the Pats cheated/the game was fixed.

he appears to be the only one who can't handle the truth.

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 03:41:41 PM
Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.

I've often wondered why you seemed to disdain anyone else that mentioned Nietzsche. Your above post is most enlightening. And being most learned as you are in everything Friedrich the following should be relevant to your post.

The advantages of psychological observation. That meditating on things human, all too human (or, as the learned phrase goes, “psychological observation”) is one of the means by which man can ease life’s burden; that by exercising this art, one can secure presence of mind in difficult situations and entertainment amid boring surroundings; indeed, that from the thorniest and unhappiest phases of one’s own life one can pluck maxims and feel a bit better thereby.

;-)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 10:18:19 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.

Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years.

And yes, Utley, "maligned" is exactly the right term: "spoken about in a spitefully critical manner"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.

We are growing!

Welcome to Yank and you!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.

We are growing!

Welcome to Yank and you!

I really don't care but we're not so much a cartel as a social club.

as long as yank and cap pass the initiation process, post the bond, pay the annual dues and buy the 1st round, welcome to the cartel.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 25, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
Smart kid proves what the Boston Cartel continues to deny.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html)

Winning!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
thats some compelling scientific evidence.

his mom and sis can't throw a football.

Although to be fair to the young lad, the Bible passes for a science text book in Kentucky.


heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 25, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
You know, I saw that article this morning and I thought, how long before ham trolls with it. All I can say is, what took him so long? He is slipping.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 25, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Nietzsche has told him to slow down.  "Measure twice, cut once," I believe is how Freddie put it. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 25, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.

... Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years. ...



LOL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 27, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
From Seth Wickersham's ESPN article on the Browns

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide)

boz take a ganer, and as the Browns have seemingly turned a corner, maybe not as painful, plus its pretty funny.

. The Browns now were breaking the rules and losing, leading to even more public mocking. The outside anger was felt inside the building. Marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media, so they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp -- for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.

20 minutes of of Omar Viz and Roberto Alomar turning two?

#DP
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2019, 12:09:04 PM
#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2

6-4 ATS in the post-season

sitting at exactly .500 for season.

the coin-flip analogy proves itself.

legalized gambling-be careful out there

GO PATS
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2019, 01:18:44 PM
I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 02, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2

6-4 ATS in the post-season

sitting at exactly .500 for season.

the coin-flip analogy proves itself.

legalized gambling-be careful out there

GO PATS

The folks who got to take the Pats at the original numbers, when they were not favorites to win, have to be pretty happy, as pre-game happiness goes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.

thats the way I'm handicapping the game.

I may be taking the Rams a little too lightly (hope the Pats aren't) but barring new info or one more strong cup of coffee, I'm thinking 34-23 Pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
I could be wrong. The Pats may win by more than ten.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 03, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 03, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 03, 2019, 07:56:34 PM
 The fix is in!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
that wasn't what I was expecting.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
The fix is in!!!!

Poor Utley/Ham.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 08:10:14 PM
that wasn't what I was expecting.

Really?!

Huh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
#6 for the Patriots and for Brady!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
this doesn't get old

sadly I do
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 03, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Adam Levine was the clear MVP tonight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2019, 10:34:02 PM
Congratulations, New Englanders.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 11:06:30 PM
thanks kid

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 03, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true

Sad.

On to baseball. At last!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 11:56:00 PM
Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true

Sad.

On to baseball. At last!

So predictable.

Congratulations, Utley, on not claiming the fix was in. Must have been tough to resist, but the Rams made it hard to claim they would have won without the refs' interference!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
The St. Louis Dispatch cares passionately about the Super Bowl:

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/

Well... okay, not much.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 12:03:37 AM
McVay says he was outcoached.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 04, 2019, 12:22:21 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 12:23:44 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here.

The Saints should have been there.

The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 01:25:35 AM
"The Greatest No Show on Turf"

A line a read in comments somewhere.

Really liked it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 08:43:39 AM
A Complete Disaster of a Super Bowl:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html)

The Suffer Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
heh

the troll is a urinal half-filled type troll.

the other half dribbled down his leg.

sounds like he had the Rams, the over, a couple of shitty boxes, and some day-old guacamole.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Vegas survives.......barely

Gets hit hard on prop bets of Edelman MVP and zero touchdowns first half.  But wins on props overall.

Had no td been scored all game that would have been quite bad.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1.  Someone bet 250 on it

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.

Anyone with a brain could understand the point I was making. No wait, sorry, I forgot your handicap.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1.  Someone bet 250 on it

I imagine he was paying close attention to that wide-left FG attempt at the buzzer

read the mysterious Bettor X gave back a big chunk of last years winnings with ML wagers on the Rams
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:59:55 AM
McVay says he was outcoached.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social


Give Belichick two weeks to prepare and you will have a tough row to hoe playing him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 10:02:29 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here.

The Saints should have been there.

The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.

One thing is for sure the folks calling for the game to be played the following day have never played the game of football. I remember not hardly being able to walk, let alone play, a game the next day.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 04, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
Only in the points allowed department did I think the Rams defense was "all that".  They gave up a lot of yards and frequently had a tough time getting off the field. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
They did enough to keep Brady etal out of the red-zone for 3 qtrs and settle for FG 3 times (one miss) .

IMO there was a lot of good defense played and coached last night.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:43:32 AM
Pats punt-team also played an awesome game. Allen's spin and Slater's coverage pinned the Rams and gave then continual tough field position in a field position type game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 04, 2019, 11:52:24 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 12:01:15 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.

thanks for the congrats, boz, sorry you weren't entertained, I didn't think it was either dull or crappy.

IMO it was a tense 1-score low-scoring defensive dominated game going into the 4th quarter, and in some respects was evocative of SB42.

YMMV

and if you're in the neighborhood around 6pm tonight I'm buying.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
America thought it was dull and crappy. Lowest tv ratings in a decade.

Pats not good for national ratings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
America wanted to watch a pinball game

instead they got a defensive football game dominated by line play. 

btw whether you thought the O-lines or D-lines dominated, the best line of the night was by Peyton Manning in the opening

"I don't get my mail at the SuperBowl, like Tom Brady..."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh

I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 04, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh

I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
I suspect ham's objective observers are like Trump's anonymous validators: hypothetical and entirely notional.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 04, 2019, 04:05:35 PM
I spoke to a guy in California. He said it was boring.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
I liked the N.O. newspaper's take:
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/00/27/50/16874010/3/920x920.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".

He got it right.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on February 04, 2019, 06:10:54 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Exactly!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
Defense was great? More like QBs played like crap. And why why did Edelman get MVP? Because it was time to give it to a Jew?

Weakest SB ever.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 04, 2019, 07:06:51 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 07:17:18 PM
How is a 1-score defensive war "unwatchable"?

Maybe it is for fools and pink-hats who need a 49-48 game to go with the chardonay, chicken wings, and 7-layer dip and aren't really invested in the game.

Pats spoiled America with a string of very exciting high scoring SuperBowls over the years.

Yesterday's game was less star wars and more trench wars.

And for those who liked a game with more D, less flags and a let them play physical game, it was very watchable. 

And as posted earlier there was a similiarity to SB42, a game which was 7-3 as the 4th Qtr started,  and which some observers think is among the best SBs of all-time.

Would anyone here call that game unwatchable?

But i don't expect analytical insight from a troll.

He insists on going on 4th and forever in his attempt to diminsh the Pats latest unwatcable championship.

and as usual he comes up way short of the chains. 

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.

No it proves the voters picked a guy who had a visibly great game with stats. If Gilmore had another pick, he would have won it, mostly as a proxy for the Pats defense, which really won the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
Nooooooooo!!!!

This is just COLD...

https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:30:11 PM
I have no opinion about a game/event I have not watched since Reagan was in the White House.
But if Banks says it was a great game, it was a great game.
Anybody who can claim a football game that went into OT "wasn't even close" has rare insights
Into the game of football that no mere mortal could possess.

Deej

I didn't say the SB just played was a great game, but rather it was a close defensive battle that had me engaged from opening kick to final whistle.

Some called it unwatchable, and with that I disagreed, In fact I'm watching it again as we speak.

I found the game refreshing from the all offense all the time games that have become so prevalnet in the NFL.

The game was very much a throwback to a style of football played 20+ years ago.

And if you could refresh my memory which OT game, did I say wasn't even close and which SEC institution of higher learning did I unfairly malign? 

I'm going back to the game.

Gotta see how it turns out.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
What I want to know is where this defense was in last year's Super Bowl!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


Truer words have never been spoke.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
The "unwatchables" are just spewing out their sour grapes, nothing a little mouthwash won't cure.
The OT game was the pro championship game, not a college game.
You maligned my opinion about the Bama game saying I "Cherry-picked my stats" when all I
Did was post some stats readily available.
Our difference is nothing more than what constitutes an "ass-kicking".
Many like to throw that expression around to show their glee that a comeuppance has occurred.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

Jeebus Deej are you still sore that Bama got their ass kicked?

They did.

and i wasn't gleeful about it, I was happy as I had Clemson and points, but the wager wasn't large enough for gleeful.

i just posted about what I saw. 

And my team has been on the short-end of some unexpected defensive struggles in the SB. and you're right no one said those games were unwatchable.

Still don;t know what OT game you're refering to, or the comment. I usually remember shit I post.

Peace Deej

Going into 4Q in the SB

its a nail-biter at 3-3
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819190-signature-win-for-bill-belichick-shows-whos-really-at-the-heart-of-pats-dynasty?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

This would make more sense to me had last year's Super Bowl been different. And it still makes more than a little sense - though if all that were true, where was the genius when Drew Bledsoe was his QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:09:19 PM
Deej

I'm sorry if that post upset you, but if you'd point out anything that was incorrect or misleading in my post please do.


and having just watched SB 53 again, it was eminently watchable.

If you liked football,


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 02:10:12 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 05, 2019, 03:01:24 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.


Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.

Maroon V would still have sucked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 08:19:55 AM
Kam's just in a funk. He's lost and wondered over here looking for his pet unicorn which has gone missing.

Best of luck son, and in the meantime, here's a longform article written by ESPN.com's lead football analyst, Bill Barnwell, (used to write for the old Grantland) about the game.

It might help explain the nature of game to a novice fan who was more invested in the guacamole than watching a defensive slugfest.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams)

At the end of a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love, it really shouldn't have been a surprise that Bill Belichick was the one standing triumphant.

Last year, Tom Brady produced what was arguably the greatest single performance in Super Bowl history, only for Belichick's defense to get run over by Eagles backup Nick Foles. On Sunday, with Brady struggling en route to his worst passing performance in a title game, Belichick's defense saved the day. The Patriots delivered Belichick's masterpiece in their 13-3 win over the Rams.

What we saw from the Patriots on Sunday night was the best defensive performance we have ever seen in a Super Bowl.


and good luck finding your unicorn.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)

Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.

That's a big "if"!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)

Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.

I'm not sure why people comtinue to underestimate coaching, preparation, situational football, and execution in the game. 

But having said that you should probably watch the Seattle game (SB49) again. The Pats controlled the first half, got outplayed in the 3rd qtr and dominated the 4th gtr.

The Pats won a game they mostly (75%) dominated on the field.

SB 51 was weird and there was seemingly no way the Pats should have escaped the 28-3 handcuffs they were in mid-way through the 3rd qtr, but they kept on playing and won the war.

To suggest they were handed that win is ridiculous.

it was passed to them.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.

Actually it just proves the biased mentality of the people giving it. And why the NFL has done its level best to legislate defense out of the game.

Great defenses are still finding ways to fart to the rulesmakers face. The best defense one.

Lovin it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:55:03 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:58:05 PM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.

LOL. Now that's smack.


BTW, I liked the game. Hated the results, but liked the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 05, 2019, 02:39:55 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2019, 04:37:35 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.

Maroon 5 took too much of a hit

Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel..  Now go suck an egg.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 07:00:54 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFCnHc8KU0


BTW no pooch in the hunt for me either.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.

Maroon 5 took too much of a hit

Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel..  Now go suck an egg.

See the post above.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
Classy Boston fans:

https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp (https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp)

Well, so far cops haven't killed anyone who is "celebrating".

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 07:29:03 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.

To the best of my recollection, I've seen every SB played, even "wide-right" from a hospital bed in New Hampshire (ski accident-collapsed lung-heavily medicated).

From reollection, there were a lot dog games in the first 20-25 years, and its only been the past 20 years where the games generally have been close/fun to watch. But having said that, of the recent vintage, mostly pretty entertaining, perhaps the worst was the Seahawks thrashing of the Bronco's 43-8, (SB 50). There was nothing redeeming, nor watchable  in that game. But i watched.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 10:25:41 PM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.


Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.

Maroon V would still have sucked.

If Patriots had lost 13-3 i'd still say it was a boring game.

Quote
Maroon V would still have sucked.
Duh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 10:27:58 PM
f a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love


Agreed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 06, 2019, 11:10:21 AM
Pats name former Rutgers HC, tOSU DC, and Belichick buddy Greg Schiano as new DC, filling the vacancy left by the Miami-bound Brian Flores.

tough act to folllow
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 06, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
Flores had his one shining moment.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 07, 2019, 02:16:06 PM
Flores had his one shining moment.

And he got a five year contract out of it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 10, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
https://news.avclub.com/bob-costas-confirms-he-got-fired-from-the-super-bowl-fo-1832491818?rev=1549736308898&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main

Costas was fired from last year's Super Bowl broadcast team for being honest prior to it about football and conscussions.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 12, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 12, 2019, 07:04:04 PM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.

And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 13, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be)

Number one wouldn't have happened in the wimpy NFL. Who by the way I hear is considering changing their initials to NPL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 13, 2019, 10:04:18 AM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.

And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Also for the record: Karim Hunt has a job. Colin Kaepernick does not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 13, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
Doesn't Hunt still face a possible suspension for part/all of the upcoming season?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 15, 2019, 06:22:49 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)

Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.

Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?

In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 15, 2019, 09:33:38 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)

Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.

Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?

In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.

We can't all be the stalwart defenders of civil rights that you are.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 07:25:48 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 07:45:32 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.

That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?

The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.

Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.

Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.

Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.

If you're able to do so.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.

That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?

The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.

Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.

Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.

Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.

If you're able to do so.
I called you a racist be ause you have demonstrated your racism in post after post, issue after issue, for.20 years on the NYT forum and here. You are a racist fuck. You would remain a racist fuck regardless of your position on Kaepernick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
I see.

You have your own stats.

Clearly, then, you don't know the meaning of the word, counselor.

Off you go, now, back to a world of your own creation.

Do get back to us, once you've recovered from speaking with the devil himself.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 08:58:57 AM
I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole.  Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2019, 10:10:57 AM
Kaep was probably unfairly denied the opportunity to ply his trade by owner collusion. I see no problem with him being compenansated for his lost opportunity and wages due to an illegal conspiracy.

As far as I know while he can not discuss the details of the settlement, he is free to speak his mind about any issue and continue to be a social actvist.

And this settlement is cheap for the NFL, probably $2-3 miilion max per owner, the cost of one bad contract, and they avoid the embarrassment of disclosed e-mails likely revealing the collusion, maybe racism, and maybe shots at Trump. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
This is not my work, so I can't attest to it, (I've done similar stuff) but others have checked off on this, so I'm posting it here.

It general it addresses and rebuts the "AFC East is easy" argument in discussing the Pats success.


"If you remove the winner of every division since 2001, and look at the records of only teams 2-4 against teams outside their division, the AFC East has the best record since 2001. In other words, teams 2-4 in the AFC East perform better against non-division opponents than the 2-4 teams in any other division. The AFC East is full of mediocre teams that would be 9-11 win teams in other divisions if they weren’t losing to the Patriots. It rarely has bum teams, like the Browns, Raiders, Jaguars were for so long."

So, no, “AFC East” is not a valid answer to this question.


https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301 (https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole.  Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.

I've never wondered about you, being the pretentious and supercilious boor that you are.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
I can literally think of no person on  earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 17, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
I can literally think of no person on  earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.

Sure you can
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 18, 2019, 03:17:18 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 04:56:41 PM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.

He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.

He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.

I totally agree that he was no Curt Flood.

OTOH, I don't think anybody made Curt Flood the kind of offer that the NFL made to Kaepernick. It might be that he would have been no Curt Flood, either.

My point about you remains.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.

Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.

A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 22, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
Poor Myra.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.

Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.

A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.

Goodell's present. And presenting facts isn't trolling.

Kraft the human trafficking owner in the NFL. Aaron Hernandez the murderer, likely bumped off in prison. Make it look like a suicide...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
Inflate-gate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 22, 2019, 04:22:19 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter,  Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Looking forward to the NY POST and Daily News covers, tomorrow.

That said, surprised Mr. Morality, Joshie, hasn't been here, yet, to condemn the NFL, who declared Kaepernick unfit for the league, but will likely keep this fat bastard around.

There was a rumor that Kraft wanted Kaepernick as a back-up QB for 2019, but Colin wouldn't go down on both knees.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter,  Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.

Trump and Tiger Woods seem to be the popular choices among the unwashed masses.

I'm going to go with Mitch McConnell he seems like a strip mall rub n tug guy and he has a thing for Chinese women.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 22, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Reminds me of the story often credited ( probably in error) to Giant  great Alex Webster.
I paid $5 grand for her boob job and she was happy.
Then I paid $15kfor her facelift and she was even happier. ( and so was I)
But when I paid a hundred bucks for a blow job she was pissed!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 25, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html

More details than you want to know.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:34:31 PM
CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.


The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 26, 2019, 12:02:37 AM
CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.


The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.

Nobody's kicking him out of the league, Piggy.

He didn't kneel during the National Anthem, after all. Hell, he didn't even hit the women (girls?).

No biggy in NFL circles. Besides, he's friends with Trump and the NFL has worked very hard to get onto Trump's good side.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 01, 2019, 01:58:35 PM
In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's.  I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 01, 2019, 02:34:24 PM
In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's.  I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
The local paper in Akron, the Beacon Journal, goes by its initials, A BJ.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on March 02, 2019, 06:52:11 PM
The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.

Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 02, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.

Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.

I would be surprised if the liberal media did not ask him such questions, given his connections to the president - and that the majority of the liberal media is outside of Boston and unlikely to want to skip a chance to embarrass the Patriots.

However, at least from the available evidence so far (which is pretty skimpy), the women who were arrested with him don't fit any of the descriptions you included. And money laundering to go along with running a prositution ring or a brothel is not nearly at the level that was suggested in the early reporting on the topic.

I sure hope that if there was sex trafficking that the folks behind it get nailed. And, for all that I doubt Kraft knew the background, should he prove to have known what the situation was and that it was trafficking, then they'd best throw the bookcase at him.

Misdemeanor prostitution, OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 03, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
Quote
OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft


The NFL will probably adopt the  "Tug Rule".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 07, 2019, 11:08:45 PM
Quote
OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft


The NFL will probably adopt the  "Tug Rule".

There's a joke about over-inflated balls here to be made.

How they even find out?  Spygate 2; The second coming
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on March 12, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
Just when the Browns were starting to look decent
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 12, 2019, 08:53:50 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 12, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 12, 2019, 10:03:52 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.

AFC North up for grabs and Browns look like they got a guy who can make tough catches. 

Earl Thomas rumored to be up next.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 12, 2019, 10:24:24 PM
Mind you as a Cleveland fan I fully expect either catastrophic injuries and a 5 - 11 record, or a fumble by Jarvis Landry while twisting into the end zone with the game winning touchdown with a minute left in the AFC Championship game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 12, 2019, 11:44:11 PM
Not good Gettleman.

Quote
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 13, 2019, 01:17:54 AM
Not good Gettleman.

Quote
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.

That will sure help them to bounce back this season. Eli all the way!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2019, 09:18:01 AM
gonna be a tough seson for Opie.

and maybe a tougher one for Saquon.

G-men taking a page out of the Knicks play book.

Next year Zion!

or Tua
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 13, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
Since today everything becomes official....

... both trades were actually processed by the NFL as one deal. The net effect was that the Browns received Beckham and Vernon in exchange for Zeitler, Peppers, a 1st-round pick, (17) and a 3rd-round pick (95).
Title: Odell trade
Post by: Kam on March 13, 2019, 05:37:37 PM
Giants have the #6, and thanks to Odell the #17,  and the #97

Trade up to #1. Get Kyler Murray.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 13, 2019, 08:45:31 PM
Fuckin A, Gmen

Long overdue - and they get a Pro Bowler (and a local) in Peppers.

Picks are fucking gravy

Eli starts 2 more seasons.

And thanks, Jets for keeping Leveon away from Ravens.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 12:52:24 AM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 14, 2019, 01:27:16 AM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 01:44:12 AM
I would say just going by fan posts that something like 3 out of every 4 NY Giant fans hate the trade.  And of those who hate the trade there is a percentage i can't determine that has jumped ship completely knowing the team has given up on a generational player in his prime.  Maybe 10%.  I think the Giants figure they will regain that 10% when they start winning again... but that won't be in 2019.  They are 32nd in Active Money on the cap and 1st in dead money.  They're essentially paying guys to play elsewhere this year. 

2019 is dead before it begins.  It's a tank and purge salary season ripped out of the pages of the NBA.

2020 on the other hand, will see the Giants with some $80 mil in cap space.


Two faith-based questions.


Do you have faith this regime can find Eli's successor?
Do you have faith this regime can spend the cap space wisely?

After watching the about-face on Collins and Beckham... faith is in short supply.



I happen to think the Giants will be better after the Odell trade than they would have been trying to win 8 games with offensive weapons and no defense and an immobile QB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 14, 2019, 11:09:54 AM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire? Or, is there something that is clearly beyond our view?

Either way, it looks like the ownership may be heavily involved.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 14, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.

Stay tuned
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:33:46 PM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?

My current reading of the tea-leaves:

- Giants have said recently they're following the Kansas City model; draft a QB have him sit for some time and watch an accomplished veteran do the job.
- Giants have recently said they've acquired draft capital in the Odell deal.  Meaning at #6 and #17 they're planning to trade up to 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. (This might not happen until the draft itself as they're watching for who is trying to trade up to #5)
- They're taking a QB.  (They SAY they like Haskins but this is the time of year everyone lies.) 
- Eli will remain and start for half the season then hand over the reins to the newly-minted starter with the short apprenticeship.
- Every other pick the giants make next month will be on the defensive side of the ball or O-line depth/competition.
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents.  A WR is the priority.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
But i could be wrong.  Maybe the Giants like Rosen more than Haskins or Murray.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
One last thing about the KC-model.

Ty Hill is a free agent in 2020.

That's your ideal Odell replacement when you have more money to spend than any other team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?

My current reading of the tea-leaves:

- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents.  A WR is the priority.

Golden Tate gets $9mil annual contact from NYG where $23mil is guaranteed 
(4yr/37.5mil) 

Veteran WR - Check


Next move: veteran LB
Title: Golden Tate
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 04:57:59 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: josh on March 14, 2019, 06:46:44 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.
Title: Markus Golden
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB  Markus Golden to a one year deal.
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 07:51:28 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.

He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
Title: Re: Markus Golden
Post by: josh on March 14, 2019, 08:29:36 PM
In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB  Markus Golden to a one year deal.

And the hot dog vendors have signed a deal with Golden's Mustard.
Title: Meanwhile
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 11:11:22 PM
No interest shown in trading for Robbie Gould
Title: Adam Silver
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 11:12:33 PM
unimpressed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 15, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
Kareem Hunt gets an 8 game suspension.
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 15, 2019, 06:00:26 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.

He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.

I hope he's made a will. Wouldn't want to see him end up like his Uncle, Intes Tate.
Title: Top 3 players available
Post by: Kam on March 20, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Q Williams
N Bosa
J Allen


The QBs are overrated as usual.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 23, 2019, 01:45:41 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2827187-cam-newton-giving-up-sex-for-a-month-hopes-it-makes-my-mind-stronger?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I can imagine why he might believe that this would help him.

I cannot fathom what he thinks announcing it is going to accomplish that will be good for anybody, himself included.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
Gronk is not giving up sex.

However he is giving up the NFL.

And announces his retirement.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html)
Title: Gronk
Post by: Kam on March 24, 2019, 09:55:16 PM
Probably my favorite NE Patriot of All-Time.  Or least hated Patriot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 25, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
Suddenly realized I no longer care about most mock drafts. Tho the last multi-rounder I looked at mentioned a DB named Chauncey Gardner-Johnson to the Browns in R2. I'd like to watch him. Respect to his parents for the name.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 10:00:11 AM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 26, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 03:49:41 PM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.

Not quite the response I was expecting, I thought you might go with, “In a garden, things grow . . . but first, they must wither; trees have to lose their leaves (turn BROWN) in order to put forth new leaves, and to grow thicker and stronger and taller. "
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 09:23:12 PM
PI calls now reviewable

Saints tears worked.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials)


PHOENIX -- NFL owners have approved a massive philosophical expansion of its replay review system, bowing to pressure from coaches and fans who were outraged by a missed pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game.

For at least the 2019 season, pass interference -- both offensive and defensive -- will be reviewable, the first penalties and judgment calls ever to be added to the list of approved reviews
Title: Coaches proposal
Post by: Kam on March 26, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
Apparently the Coaches had voted 32-0 on another proposal to make ALL plays (rouching the passer, etc) reviewable and aren't thrilled with this compromise.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 10:05:14 PM
Its a good bet this results in one reffing standard for 58 minutes (let 'em play) and another for ticky-tack BS incidental contact/PI calls in the the last 2 minutes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 08:09:30 PM
https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-greg-schiano-and-bill-belichick

I am grateful to Greg Schiano for his years of service to the Patriots and his commitment to the New England community.
Title: Josh Rosen fantasy trade
Post by: Kam on April 01, 2019, 07:39:41 PM
Josh Rosen for the Patriots #2 (56) and a #3 (73)

Pats take a TE in the first rd (32)
Rosen and they also have the (64) (97) (101)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 12:11:05 PM
Rosen trade?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals)

Title: rumors
Post by: Kam on April 02, 2019, 02:13:48 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.


Caveat being the Giants targets at 17 are gone and they haven't already used the pick as capital to move up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 04:07:11 PM
Pats usually don't trade up, BB often trades down to pick up additional draft picks.

As I recall there are supposed to be a few attractive TE in this year's draft so maybe the Pats snag a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

IMO their priorities are young edge guy/rusher WR (several) TE, LB, CB, QB

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on April 02, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
So much for the AAF replacing college football.
Title: Re: rumors
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.




No
Title: Re: rumors
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.




No

What are you addressing your no to and why?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 03, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
What?  Maybe you should just re-read it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2019, 11:20:03 AM
What?  Maybe you should just re-read it.

I re-read your answer of no several times.

Your reasons are still not apparent.

Your answer "no" could be answered from either side of a trade, the Pats or Giants and for different reasons.

I asked your reasons for your 1-word answer of "no" to Kam's proposed swap asked presumably with a Patriot's fan perspective.

Is it not enough for the Giants, too much for the Pats, or what are you saying no to and why?


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 09:09:31 AM
NGlFL draft starts tonight! Can't wait to see who the Browns take at 17!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 09:13:13 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 10:28:39 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
I would not have taken him in the first round, unless I had a QB like Brady or Rodgers.  Sit him a year or two and if he did not work out quietly boot him to the curb. Otherwise, he is "your guy" and you stick with him, and if he is mediocre, you don't improve the position until you have wasted 5 years of your team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 10:38:05 AM
Giants didnt like the OSU kid

Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options

Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6

Giants options therefore were:

1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case.  Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.

Option 1 was OK by me.  Jones starts in 2021-22.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
Giants didnt like the OSU kid

Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options

Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6

Giants options therefore were:

1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case.  Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.

Option 1 was OK by me.  Jones starts in 2021-22.
Your reasoning is correct. It is the player I disagree with. And remember, I thought the Browns spit the bit last year with Mayfield so I clearly know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
With the qualifier that I no squat about most college football players, I'm generally happy with the Pats approach through round 3.

they addressed my sense of their need (edge guy, WR, CB) and I think they got some talented players to get younger.

IMO They still could use a TE and maybe another WR, and at some point have to address the QB question, but all in all, I think so far they've done a good job. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 27, 2019, 02:11:38 PM
Stridham is a good gamble. He went from a potential Heisman and top pick at.the start of the year to the fourth round.

I had Greedy Williams as a potential pick when we held 17. Got him 30 picks later.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 10:40:24 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 29, 2019, 10:06:16 AM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
.

Guess you missed this: https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg (https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 29, 2019, 03:57:50 PM
Favorite draft quote: "Daniel Jones looks like.the actor they'd cast to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning... ."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 04:13:01 PM
Playoffs Totals Table

Rk   Player   From    To         G   QBrec   Cmp   Att   Cmp%Yds   TD   Rate Lng   Int   Sk   rushYds
1   E Manning   2005   2016   12   8-4-0   242   400   60.5   2815   18   87.4   72   9   27   155
2   P Manning   1999   2015   27   14-13-0  649  1027  63.2  7339 40  87.4   87   25   40   298
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 04:16:21 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
I think that argument depends on what you're rating. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 29, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?
.

Likely beats watching Chris Dale, at the moment.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?

Whatever you might have done last night I hope you found it worthwhile and or enjoyable.

You missed an epic 80-minute battle and an all-time classic CFBW. Things looked dire for the hometown defenders of humanity as it looked like the Night King was all but assured of scoring a decisive and crushing victory. His relentless ground game together with an aerial attack shredded the Targ-Stark defense, and led him to 1st and Bran, and all but ready to snatch and crush mankind.

But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.

Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.

I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:03:49 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

"Game of Thrones" creator George R.R. Martin is UNLOADING on the New York Giants ... blasting the team for taking relatively unknown Duke QB Daniel Jones.

Martin -- the brain behind 'GoT' -- happens to be a HUGE fan of the New York football teams ... and like so many other G-Men fans, he's distraught over this weekend's draft.

"Daniel Jones from Duke at number six?" Martin wrote on his website ... "Yes, they need a young quarterback to groom as Eli’s successor. But Dwayne Haskins was right there. Why not him?"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:04:13 PM
heh - stick to dragons George
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 06:07:13 PM
George R.R. Martin went to Northwestern.  He likely thinks Thorson would have been a better pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:07:29 PM

But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.

Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.

I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.

When NK just casually walked up to the 1 yd line all cool and Oberin-like with his linemen distracted it gave the free safety just the opening needed.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.

Eli got to the playoffs, based on what you posted, 6 times in 12 seasons.
Peyton got to the playoffs 15 times in 17 seasons.

I think Eli is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.

Opie's HoF credentials consist of 2 good 4th qtrs in the SB, and his ability to avoid injury. He played a lot of games, and he has been a beneficiary of inflated passing stats due to changes in the game.

He'll probably get in to Canton, but IMO he was at best, on average a 10-12th ranked QB (top 1/3) annually for the first part of his career, and pretty average for the past several years. IMO he was good/a little above average, but nowhere near a HoF QB.

I haven't checked his stats in awhile, but IIRC the only annual stat he led the league in was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 29, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.

Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.

To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.

How would you rate him?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:32:18 PM
The Mara's are also idiots.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:39:51 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Title: Eli
Post by: Kam on April 30, 2019, 02:39:39 AM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 02:28:18 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 06:25:48 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2019, 06:51:30 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 07:10:26 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.

nope
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 07:18:35 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.

Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.

To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.

How would you rate him?

Sorry, just getting to this -

I am fine with how NYG are handling the final stages of Eli's tenure.  I have already stated a few times that I would not have passed on Barkley.

And I have stated I have Jones starting in '21-'22.  If its sooner, that is fine.  Means he looks ready - and that would be a good thing.

I did like the one other QB who we could have gotten much later - and thus would have been OK with not taking a round 1 guy.  But he can play.  Just means we don't have to use a 1 or 2 next year on the position.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 07:20:58 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.

And far better than Rabbit Maranville!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Yep. And Jess Haines too!
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 08:36:48 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.

I don't know.....  NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........

If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning.  Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.

Title: Re: Eli
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 09:14:21 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.

I don't know.....  NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........

If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning.  Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.

heh

that's a persuasive helluva case for Eli.

I think watching him play is a start to determining Eli's HoF-worthiness.

How did he compare to his peers?

And IMO if you bother to check the stats you'll find he pretty much defines maybe slightly above average (top 10-12ish/top 1/3).

is HoF case rests on 2 good SB 4th qtrs  and longevity.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: Kam on May 01, 2019, 01:11:26 AM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
Everyone likes Opie.

That's not really a point of contention.

He's likeable, earnest, and honest as the day is long.

Although you might want to double-check the game used #10 jersey hanging in the rec room.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 01, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.

Not really even  a discussion on whether Eli will be enshrined.  Has the stats, the unsurpassed durability and the rings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 01:29:22 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.

The word is CLUTCH: The Giants entered the playoffs as the #5-seed.[121] On January 6, 2008, in the Wild Card Round, Manning went 20-of-27 for 185 yards playing on the road against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The underdog Giants won 24–14, and Manning had two touchdown passes.[122]

On January 13, 2008, in the Divisional Round Manning led the Giants to an upset victory over the heavily favored Dallas Cowboys, the number one seed in the NFC.[123] For the third straight game, Manning played well, completing 12 of 18 passes for 163 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions.[123] The Giants were the first team to beat an NFC number one seed in the Divisional Round since the start of the 12-team format in 1990.[124] This victory secured an NFC Championship berth against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, January 20, 2008. In the NFC Championship, the Giants beat the Packers in overtime, with a score of 23–20.[125] The dramatic victory secured Manning and the Giants a trip to Super Bowl XLII.[126] This was the first Super Bowl appearance for the New York Giants since Super Bowl XXXV in 2001,[127] and their first Super Bowl victory since Super Bowl XXV.

....Trailing 14-10 with 2:42 remaining, Manning led the Giants 83 yards on a game-winning touchdown drive. On a crucial third-and-5 at the Giants' 44-yard line, Manning connected with David Tyree on a play in which he avoided several near-sacks and Tyree caught the ball off his helmet for a large gain. Four plays later, Plaxico Burress caught a 13-yard touchdown pass with just 35 seconds remaining for the winning margin.[130] Manning became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw two go-ahead fourth-quarter touchdowns in a Super Bowl (Joe Montana being the first).[131] Manning also became the first quarterback to throw a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown in the NFL title game (including the pre-Super Bowl era) when a field goal would not at least tie the game.[132] Following the Giants' monumental victory, Manning and the coaching staff spoke briefly with President George W. Bush.[133]

Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII.[134] He and his brother Peyton are the only brother combination to play at quarterback in the Super Bowl and the only set of brothers to win Super Bowl MVP, doing so in successive years....

Wikipedia.

CLUTCH. TWO TIME MVP. Durable. Winner. HOFer.

Pat's fans jealous, because they know with Eli instead of Brady, they'd be undefeated in all those other Super Bowls.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
Let's see "Opie" not only made TB12 cry after beating him twice in the Super Bowl, he also has  won two Academy Awards, four Emmys, a Grammy, two Golden Globes, and has been nominated for 7 BAFTA Awards. He additionally received the National Medal of Arts in 2003 as well as two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions.

Sounds like a HOFer to me.
Title: Jets + Giants
Post by: Kam on May 01, 2019, 03:43:06 PM
Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
Title: Re: Jets + Giants
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.

That's probably true. And to extend it, the lack of pro-sports star-power and championships in the NYC metro other than the Yankees for the better part of this century, has created a celebrity vacuum that Eli with 2 rings sort of inherited, despite non-superstar performance.

For whatever reasons fans need heroes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2019, 12:16:33 PM
Jeter is better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
Celebrity vacuum? Ha! It's New York! We don't need know stinking celebrities! The city itself is a celebrity. Unlike that razed set of hills they used to fill in the swamp around Boston Habba!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

I agree. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line between the eras, though this isn't the case this time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:54:46 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.

nope

Opinions vary. FTR I hope mine is wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:59:29 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF

C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF

C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.

I'm going to quible a bit cap.

I'm not sure how big the troll's head is, but it certainly is the emptiest and devoid of content. So it is probably fair to say he probably has the greatest amount of avaialble empty space  ear-to ear and chin to the top of his pointy head.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:54:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

I saw it once.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars

Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars

Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.

LMM walks down most any street in NYC and 99 of 100 people won't have a clue who he is, unless he's in costume or wearing a LMM game jersey.

There's mass market in NYC of millions who gets fed sports content 24/7 and an elite market a fraction of that that uses ticket brokers to buy $1000 tickets months in advance.





Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 02, 2019, 04:24:08 PM
I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."

Give him a pony tail and colonial garb he couild pass for LMM and know one will be wiser...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
The injustice system at work: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:25:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.

You may now fuck off.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:28:46 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
poor sad troll

everyone here has seen your depravity and sickness and your lies and constant deceit.

You fool no one.

Except perhaps yourself.

SSDD

No one here wants anything to do with you/

You are filth.

Now go back to your corner of shame and pee your pants in frustration.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 07:19:12 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 07:21:24 PM
Yeah, I know - Barkley was a bad pick

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 07:35:03 PM
I believe at the time I suggested more than once that Barkely was a luxury item for a team that had a lot of pressing needs, (I think I comped him to a Bentley when a pick-up truck was required) and thought if a franchise QB was not found (I was partial to Darnold ) then the #2 might be traded for a basket of high picks to hasten the Giants rebuild. I also wanted OBJ traded. (At least they got that right, if a year late). But I was told by more than one Giant fan they were a post-season team.

They weren't.

There's little question Barkely is a very good player. But I'm comfortable with my analysis.

The risk now is that Danny boy is not the guy and could push a rebuild another 3+ years down the road.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
Bitch Levine is wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 02, 2019, 10:47:09 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 11:00:35 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
The latest Patriot scandal: Tom Brady caught vandalizing Hollywood mansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 12:08:25 PM
kid

as you are well aware, after the Giants disappointing '18 season, there has been a ton of 2nd guessing among NFL pundits, experts, Giant reporters and fans of the Giant draft strategy and the Barkely pick in particular. Many mirroring my opinion. 

However as you know my analysis and criticism was before that draft. And as you may recall i was high on Bentley, just not as a #2 pick in the entire draft for a team that had so many holes to fix.

That #2 pick could have been turned into a 1,2,3,and 4 round picks (starting at the #4th) using the NFL value matrix.
 
And as you know it wasn't a 2nd guess, it was my analysis of need and how to best rebuild the team.

And time will tell, and Jones may be the long-term QB answer and Barkely the perfect complimentary running back.

But I would have preferred driving something more sensible than a Bentley, and maybe paid down the mortgage, put aside money for kid's college, throw a few bucks into the retirement funds, and rebuild the O=line and defense.

And maybe I would have gotten 24 MPG in the less sexy but more sensible Volvo wagon.

YMMV
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

Oh, look! Mije Francesca's opinion dropped by. Probably easier just to provide the link to WFAN, next time, Bitch Levine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 02:19:34 PM
Oh look the poor sad troll is pissing his pants again.

I must have upset the psychotic asshole, again.

Too bad., and get used to it.

Francesa liked Darnold, but he was still in camp Eli a year ago, and wanted to build around Eli, and he thought they could win last year, and thought sitting Darnold and not playing him would have been a waste of a very high pick.

It was similiar to his objections to them drafting Danny Jones at #6, and sitting behind Eli. He thinks its a waste of a pick when they had so many needs, like an O-line and defense.

Its what I said a year ago.

and fwiw, I've no opinion on Jones, other than it appears to have been a pretty big reach, and he quite likely would have been there at #17.

never know.

And anyone want to rent the empty space in the troll's head.

I've owned it for years, but while its fun to fuck around with, I don't get much use of it anymore.

Although flying paper airplanes in there is kind of fun, or throwing a frisbee, there's plenty of empty space in there.

no reasonable offer will be refused.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I
Ward. Garrett was the year before. We passed on a Chubb at 4, a decision I was ok with, but would not have made.

After the first four, though, I think the ranking depends on your team philosophy. A pocket pusher at DT,  RB and WR would be before TE for most teams. But if you identify a unique talent at a normal position, I think you take him. You build offenses around uniquely talented players. That is why TE was a more valuable position for NE than most teams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 03:08:59 PM
Mixed up Ward and Garrett but the hierarchy still holds.

And agree that after nailing down the basics, QB, edge rusher, O-line, CB, a GM can free-lance for specific needs.

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.

IMO the point remains that the Giants were nowhere near nailing down the basics and bought a Bentley, but are 3 months behind on the mortgage payments.

As an aside, with Gronk's retirement, the Pats really don't have a TE, so it may be interesting to see how the Pat's offense morphs this year.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:45:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.

You may now fuck off.

Cool, permission from you means so very much to me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:54:19 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.

Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
Bitch Levine wrong again.

Bottom line, those CFB Nutcases, Cap and The Arizona Priest Enabler, know their kids. But neither they nor your copied and pasted Francesa opinions mean shit.

Even the guys who draft the players don't know how these picks will turn out.

 If they did, you'd be here singing the praises of Dave Stachelski.

You may now STFU, Wimp.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
poor sad troll

no one give a fuck about your pathetic screams for attention.

this is a fucking forum about pro football, its not about you, an indecent asshole stalker.

cap is right

no one wants you here

you're useless

so go hide and vent in the hockey forum and piss yourself in isolation.

you fucking loser
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:37:14 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.

Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:39:35 PM
Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.

Cap likes a good echo chamber.

But he proved his stripes a long time ago.

Two weaklings.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 06:48:26 PM
Troll-the only thing you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt is the bottomless depth of your desperaration and depravity.

and you do it with every post

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:09:59 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Title: The funny thing is
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:14:37 PM
The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.

If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.

DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.

DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:20:47 PM

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.


Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.

They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better.  They are one starting RG away from a standout line.

The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least.  Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.

Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.

The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense.  But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.

That should scare the rest of the division.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2019, 12:01:50 AM

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.


Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.

They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better.  They are one starting RG away from a standout line.

The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least.  Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.

Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.

The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense.  But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.

That should scare the rest of the division.

It always amazes me that people confuse individual achievements within the context of team sports.

I blame fantasy sports.

Giants had 5 wins last year, with Eli, OBJ and Saquon. That's a lot of offensive fire power.

But they sucked as a team.

There was a reason they had the #6 pick to use on Eli's successor.

And Barkely is a high performance player, there's no question about that, and is one of the reason I comped him to a Bentley. He's special.

But 700 yards of the 2,000 were passing yards.

But i'm sure you're right Opie will scare the rest of the NFC East, and lead his team to post-season wins, as he has, twice in his 14 year career.

As for Jones he may be great, I've no idea, I didn;t see the Senior Bowl, but the point you seem to miss is that he  was the 4th ranked QB in the draft and depending upon your source, anywhere from the 40th to 80th ranked player in the draft, which suggests he would likely have been there at 17, and maybe at 37 in the 2nd round.  He was a huge stretch at 6, and DG might have capitalized on his brilliance by accumulating extra picks by trading down.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 04, 2019, 12:39:43 AM
Giants had 8 one possession losses in that 5-11 record.  5 losses  by a field goal or less.

15-20 Jags
13-20 Cowboys
31-33 Carolina
20-23 Falcons
13-20 Skins
22-25 Eagles
27-28 Colts
35-36 Cowboys

Early in the season the offense wasn't clicking even with OBJ.   
Later in the season the defense was the problem.

Won't take a lot to improve the W-L record.
Title: Re: The funny thing is
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 07:53:51 AM
The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.

If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.

DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.

DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?

Great points. But you have to admit, Eli is an expensive tutor. Unless they plan to trade him. But to where and for whom?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 07:57:03 AM
Advice to QB Jones, #8: “Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don’t mind and those who mind don’t matter."

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 04, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
Jones wont play this year

And Peppers in the return game is under publicized.

Idiot radio head was saying, "Call me if you wouldnt trade Jones for Darnold"

Heh - I'd have fired him on the spot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 04, 2019, 08:41:19 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 05, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.

Cap likes a good echo chamber.

But he proved his stripes a long time ago.

Two weaklings.

Heh

LOL you remind me of Rudy in the movie Hot Dog, you multiple personality freak.

Well, so here's my answer to you Rudy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 05, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.

I just don't think he lasts to 37.   Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 05, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2019, 09:42:21 PM
Attaboy, YG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 08:37:18 AM
While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
.

Bingo! And generally, the people who actually work in the NFL know more than radio personalities and the apes who copy and post their opinions here.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
We would need to know particulars on which teams may have been interested in moving up to 6.

Anyone at 7-10?

How about 11-16?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 09:46:34 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Right. If you think your QB of the future is sitting for you at 6, you take him. If you think Jones is your QB of the future, that is a different issue.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 11:21:52 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.

Well...just to make the discussiona bit more in depth...

No.  Part of GMs job on draft day is figuring what other teams are about to do.

Thus.... 

If the team at 11 is offering something substantial to move to 6 it then behooves you to do a mock on 6-10.  Also of course figuring who might deal up to 7-10 to get Jones

Smart money says Gettleman was too concerned Redskins wanted Jones and that is enough for the backers of Gettleman and the naysayers to strongly debate.
Or... could be nobody was dealing up (hard to believe) and of course Gettleman then had just 2 moves - take Jones or be Ok losing him before 17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 12:32:30 PM
I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
The worst teams in the league will always include one or two teams that need QBs. Lack of quality QB is usually one of the reasons you are drafting in the top 10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Of the two I like Lawrence a lot more, but Tua is a pretty decent pro prospect, and IMO would have been the #1 if he had come out this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
Jones will work and he will improve, and he will be ready when his time comes. Book it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.

Wow

No words
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
I guess we'll find out. Injury-prone, happy feet and short-arms throws. But I don't know things like you do.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.

Wow

No words

Using your big-boy words to explain your opinion would be helpful rather than trying to bluff your way through with snarky bullshit.

Kid you're totally transparent.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
Kid took pains last year to tell us he didn't watch much college football, but he knows things anyway.
Title: Jones
Post by: Kam on May 07, 2019, 01:25:06 AM
--this is all second hand "insider" info i took from a giants board FWIW--

Denver had Jones rated higher than Lock and would have taken him if he was available in the first round*.

Denver is not head over heels in love with Lock, they think he has potential, but they see his warts. They took him in the 2nd round as there was too much value there not to take him.

The rumors out there on the Redskins was accurate, there was a split in Redskins camp on Jones vs Haskins with Snyder wanting Haskins and the rest wanting Jones. Snyder would have won out if both were available.  Jay Gruden and several Redskins scouts loved Daniel and were banging the table for him but were over ruled by Snyder in favor of Haskins.

Bengals ( pick 11 ) also had interest in Jones.

---

*Fact:
Denver eventually traded down from 10 AFTER the Giants took Jones at 6.

With all this in the ether  DG would be crazy to wait til 17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 08:26:44 AM
Good info - thanks
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 08, 2019, 03:43:51 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.

I just don't think he lasts to 37.   Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?

Taking him at six is also a gamble. Time will tell if it was the right gamble. As a Giants fan I'm hoping I'm not just wrong, but waaaaay wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 08, 2019, 06:36:51 PM
Why is it a gamble?  He is your property now for 5 years if you like - has value now in deal and you still nabbed 2 excellent young players to go with others you are building with long term.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 09, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
They're also gambling that Allen is a bust or just a 'good' player. If he busts out to star status and Jones is merely mediocre then you gambled wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 10:44:06 PM
Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott and Jalen Ramsey are great talents

That doesnt mean Jared Goff was a poor pick for the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
I'm not sure why the concept of possibly over-valuing and overpaying for a guy ranked 40th to 80th by most experts, but who was picked 6th in the draft, and of the opportunity cost of doing so, is such a difficiult concept for some to understand. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 10, 2019, 03:14:44 AM
QB is always called the most important position and toughest to fill adequately.  And there are QB-hungry teams every year.   So yes, a guy ranked 40th in a 32 team league, at the QB position, will likely get drafted way higher than a draft board based on talent rather than team-need would have him.

They got their man.  Was it the right man? Time will tell.  But i don't think Allen's play will weigh on Jones just like nobody with the Giants cares we let Philip Rivers and Shawn Merriman go for Eli.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 10, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher. Possibly you aren't understanding what I'm saying. My opinion, and point for that matter, is dependent on Jones "not" being a star.

But it's no secret I covet and value defense in the game of football and my opinion is a bit jaded in that respect I readily admit this.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
You should love the Odell deal then

Funny..... hearing Jones may not even be the first Giants rookie QB to hit the field

Funny 2 -  Lindy's Pro Football Draft issue -

Ratings

Haskins - 8.2
Jones - 8.0
Murray - 7.8
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 11, 2019, 12:03:27 AM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 11, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.


Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 09:39:44 PM
Terribly simplistic
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 11, 2019, 10:59:03 PM
Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer.  By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 12:04:56 AM
Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this

QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS

and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way

good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....

there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.

you're welcome
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 12, 2019, 10:53:37 AM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.


Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
Good corners make average pass rushers look great. Forcing the QB to hold the ball an extra tick makes a huge difference. That is why the Browns took Ward over Chubb last year. Their review showed them their rush was good, but people were open all over the field so that the rush always looked late. It all works together. Offenses will expose any weak point, regardless of strength.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 11:01:04 AM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 12, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.

Football is still a trench warfare game. You lose the line of scrimmage, you lose. And in today's pass-happy NFL even crappy QBs have completion % above 60%. Given the rules advantages to the passing game, most CBs will lose their man in a couple of seconds or get flagged for holding. So pass completed for flag/1st down.

You need at least 1-stud pass rusher to pressre the QB to throw before he wants to. And even if you have a shut-down corner, a good QB will look elsewhere to pick apart a team. I've seen it happen for 18 years.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 12, 2019, 02:49:59 PM


But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.

All right Maslow
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 03:16:31 PM


But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.

All right Maslow

my friends call me Abe.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
Terribly simplistic

Probably seems that way to you. Not surprised.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer.  By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.


If you ever played football you will know that defenses, especially the rushers DL and DE, expend much more energy than offensive linemen. Thus you will see a lot of DL rotation going on.

And by the end of the game everyone is tired. Including those average pass rushers.


No my point was about time Kam. To an NFL quarterback time is life's blood.


And to NFL secondaries too much of it means certain death.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:51:06 PM
Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this

QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS

and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way

good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....

there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.

you're welcome

Sage.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.

While I'll agree on paper you are technically correct.

AFC Championship game 2016, Brady vs two badass DE's. The hands down greatest QB I have ever seen had the worst big game I've ever seen him have. Three of the Broncos secondary players were All-Pros. Two of those 1st team, both CBs. I have no doubt Brady picks them apart without that killer pass rush.


Thus my preference.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 07:02:52 PM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 13, 2019, 10:04:59 PM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)

That's consistent with a finding last week in another case. I think the prosecution has an uphill battle ahead of it, if they even go forward at all.

(p.s. Flacco says he is not a selfish person.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2019, 11:35:33 AM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)

I'm guessing that happy ending cost Kraft a whole lot more than his first happy ending.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Jets fire GM-Mac

Gase wearing GM hat.

Game of Clowns
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 15, 2019, 12:42:52 PM
The Jets are always sinking but never hit bottom.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
The story knocked "Knicks didn't get Zion what are we going to do?" off of WFAN
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Seems hard to beleive but the Rex Ryan era will be thought of fondly as the era of relative stability in J-E-T-S history.
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: luee on May 15, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
Wow a new GM finally. Except for Q another terrible draft. A joke of a draft.
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
Coach may agree with you.  Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.
Title: Re: Jets
Post by: luee on May 17, 2019, 01:01:32 AM
Coach may agree with you.  Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.

Outside of the #1 his drafts were terrible and panned by the experts and proven bad.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 22, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
The  NFL will hold the 2021 Draft in the home city of the two time defending Super Bowl Champs! Sweet.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 22, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Sonny Weaver Jr and home court advantage for draft day doesn't seem fair!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on May 23, 2019, 02:27:16 PM
A sad tale of Kellen Winslow Jr. (https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661)

It really sounds like the guy has mental issues:
Quote
While Winslow was out on $2 million bail, he was arrested again for lewd conduct after a 77-year-old woman at a gym said he exposed himself to her on two occasions and masturbated next to her in a hot tub in February. He has been jailed since without bail.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 26, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
One of the great QBs of my youth.

Unitas was the flashier/sexier passer-QB, but Starr had the discipline, O-line, Hornung and Taylor and Lombardi.

RIP Bart Starr

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85)

"Bart Starr, a Hall of Fame quarterback who helped build the Green Bay Packers dynasty in the 1960s and was named the Most Valuable Player of the first two Super Bowls, died Sunday in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 85."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 26, 2019, 06:34:24 PM
Star had a great crew around him.

But don't forget that defense. Adderley, Wood(an undrafted free agent if you can believe it!),underrated Henry Jordan, Willie Davis a sack machine before sacks were a statistic, and others.

I remember Currie was the Packers first round pick and wow if you can believe it Taylor was actually their second round pick.

Great draft that year for the Pack, as Jerry Kramer was a 4th round pick.



Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.

RIP Bart, you were a childhood hero.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 26, 2019, 07:19:32 PM

Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 27, 2019, 02:02:41 PM
 It's the bassoons that make you say that right.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
Did Bob Kraft get suspended, yet? Just checking in to see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 29, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
We'll let you know numbnuts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2019, 07:13:33 PM
heh

its funny the pathetic troll has posted shown far more interest in the sex life of a 75 year old guy than he has about football.

it seems he's more interested in foreskin than pigskin.

He may be disappointed.
Title: Real Question?
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
Title: Re: Real Question?
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 31, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers

There's a deflate joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 05, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
Hey banks, you guys got any tight ends left?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 19, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
Is TB12 still trying to steal Tom Seaver's nickname? Can't you wait 'til he's dead, Brady?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 12:00:05 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 20, 2019, 12:24:00 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on June 20, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...

Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 21, 2019, 05:49:51 PM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...

Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Well, it is like holding the career record for striking out the most. If they keep you around despite a fair number of your punts being forcibly redirected the wrong way, you must be pretty good, otherwise.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 02, 2019, 06:06:44 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 07:38:07 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 07:56:52 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 08:09:59 PM
(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)

"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"

"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"

Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 02, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Heh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
As racist as a cartoon frog. Blame your fellow white supremacists for befouling the symbol. Credit Kaepernick and the Wall Street Journal - which has escaped your condemnation for reasons I am sure have nothing to do with them not generally speaking being prominent black activists - for helping Nike avoid the pr nightmare of having their shoes flaunted and celebrated the worst people on God's good earth.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)

"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"

"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"

Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Take it up with your fellow white supremicists. Not the ones pointing out how your people have excreted their filth on a patriotic symbol.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 08:48:19 PM
Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.

It's that we don't give a fuck about your shit. You almost had it right!

(https://i.etsystatic.com/16399689/r/il/a35cae/1401663812/il_794xN.1401663812_t0tn.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Good theory!

No, she eloped with Mr. Ross. That had not been her last name previously. (She went on to have two more last names in years to come, as she got married a 2nd and 3rd time, but nobody seems to pay much attention to that!)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 10:17:54 AM
You should visit here: https://www.nmajh.org/ (https://www.nmajh.org/)

One of the best museums in a city known for great museums. I've been several times.

One thing you learn there is how influential Need were in helping develop American ideals, ideals that today, too many American Jews no longer support. Or they'd never become Republicans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 11:55:26 AM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD

I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.

Dumbfuck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD

I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.

Dumbfuck.

what a compelling rebuttal you present.

You fucking moron, you make broad sweeping statements wholly unsupported by facts.

Because the facts kick your stupid arguments way up your ass where they originated.

If other religions in the US voted along similar party lines as US Jews historically have, the Republican party would be a deeply minority party, with no meaningful political voice.

why you bother with your lies is your concern.

But you're only fooling yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 04, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.

No ban at the time of Betsy Ross, Ham. 150 years before that? Yep.

But even then, shortening the family name, had that happened, would have been cause enough for a Jewish family of the 1770s to cast her out - not because Philly wasn't welcoming of Jews, but because the Jewish people of that time were not particularly tolerant of folks who left them!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2019, 10:58:39 PM
You can't take too much away from a pre-season game, BUTT (big but) the Pats D looked pretty fucking good against the Lions.

They have a lot of talent on that side of the ball.

there might be more games won by 24-13 type scores than needing 30+ points to win.

Rookie QB Stidham had a good game, as did WR and ambulance-chaser Jakobi Meyers.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 09, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo

This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo

This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.

that FB link is broken-fucking Russians

so I had to google it-its a great story.


https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td (https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
4.38 plays

Good job by Highsmith recognizing the kid’s hunger
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2019, 10:54:12 AM
NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.

Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 17, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
Jones kooja better than Hastings, so far. Ball is out with Jones, while Hastings is guilty of holding it too long.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 17, 2019, 03:36:33 PM
Who's Hastings?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 17, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.

Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2019, 04:37:52 PM
NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.

Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.

It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 17, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.

Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.

It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
I wish him well also. But I have been in your loafers. People like Gordon, with his talent, get many chances and routinely disappoint people who give him more chances up until the moment there are no more chances to give. 2013 was a very very long time ago. If all he has lost in those.six years have not been enough to keep him sober, it is hard to see what will save rock bottom.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.

Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 18, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.

Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.
As a general rule, the taint of Meatchicken lessens after he leaves college, but fuck Winovich. I hope he gets all that pretty hair caught in a sideline hydrating fan.

There is a fair chance Stidham was a steal.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Stidham has looked poised, as in the moment is not too big for him (yet), but he's playing against 2-3s and potential WalMart stockboys. But he has looked good so far. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
Well, looks like 2 years straight that the pessimistic among Giants rooters have been wrong about their draft

Too funny.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 19, 2019, 06:40:48 PM
You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 19, 2019, 07:17:35 PM
You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
Why not? We are winning the Super Bowl after two practice games.

One would think declaring your QB ready should wait for, I dunno, maybe him playing against a first team defense playing its full defensive scheme. But what is the fun of that?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 22, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 22, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html

My understanding is that an alarm went off at Chung's home outside Laconia, NH, and the police went to investigate. While they found no break in, they did find some cocaine visible inside the home, but no people.

Chung owns the home, so the grand jury indicted him.

If the story as I heard it is true, then even if he is guilty he is likely not going to trial due to lack of connecting evidence.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
I agree with my fellow cartel member, the possession charge seems tough to prove.

Seems strange that someone would leave cocaine in lines, a pile, or a baggie, out in open sight for an extended period of time.

I suspect someone may have snooped illegally.

Pats D, looks pretty good so far.

As posted earlier, it looks like BB has built a team that can win scoring 20+ points,

Stidham looked pretty ok against 1s and 2s. Made some a couple of rookie mistakes, but not too many and was generally in control. speculation grows he may be the #2, and Hoyer could get cut.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 24, 2019, 01:23:14 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850730-carli-lloyd-says-shes-gotten-inquiries-from-nfl-teams-after-hitting-55-yard-fg

I think at 37 she might have a hard time making a team, but if there are teams looking to bolster attendence, I could see them signing her. I would love it if somebody gave her a shot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
I'm not sure the "37" is the issue on Ms. Lloyd getting a real shot at making an NFL team. Agree that it would add some PR buzz if she were given a legit shot to be an NFL kicker. I wonder if soccer goalies have the accuracy because elite goalies seem to boot the ball about 70+ yards.

I think the goalies could be amazing punters.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 24, 2019, 09:04:52 PM
Elite keepers.  Ah, yes.  Strong legs, they.

I will clue you in - directionally they are equally adept.  And with either peg.

Would have been grand to have Carly say, "can I take one left-footed now?" - really leave their mouths agape.  But she is ever so humble.

(sucks she sits for some of the undeserving lot that they trot out on the pitch in international play)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 24, 2019, 10:39:46 PM
At least I did not auto draft Luck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 24, 2019, 10:49:43 PM
At least I did not auto draft Luck.

I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Wow.

That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 24, 2019, 11:18:21 PM
Indy was prepared

Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table

Admirable
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 24, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
Whisk - you want Chubb?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 24, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
Indy was prepared

Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table

Admirable

Aware =/= prepared.

I supposed it is better than unaware =/= prepared, which we see elsewhere.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 25, 2019, 12:59:02 AM
Tough break for the Colts

Sucking for Luck didn't end well

I wonder if tanking for "Tag" will work any better?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 25, 2019, 09:23:05 AM
Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 25, 2019, 03:39:24 PM
Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
If I was drafting live, I might have taken Chubb over Johnson because I think Arizona's offensive line is abysmal, but I am intrigued by Johnson's value now that we have added ppr. Besides, I have now cornered the running back D. Johnson market. Don't want to break it up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 26, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 27, 2019, 08:13:36 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)

Clogging up the middle.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2019, 08:30:17 AM
The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.

I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.

Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.

Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement

And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.

Meanwhile division odds come into this as well.  Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 27, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.

I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.

Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.

Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement

And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.

Meanwhile division odds come into this as well.  Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted

Unsurprising, really.

I would love for JB to set them on their ears.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2019, 03:40:19 PM
Yes.  Unsurprisingly

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)

Clogging up the middle.

more like clotting up the middle.

get well soon Mr. Andrews

next man up

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t9P2B7NUPfM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 27, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Yes.  Unsurprisingly

heh

Yes. Unsurprisingly.

Since you seem unclear on the concept, I have highlighted my prior quote on the topic.

At least I did not auto draft Luck.

I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Wow.

That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 28, 2019, 02:04:08 PM
Yes.  The odds changed - unsurprisingly.

Lets agree to agree, Simple Josh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 05:02:09 PM
These new Pats sound like they suck

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 05:13:37 PM
Depth.

You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.

I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.


Title: Banning
Post by: josh on August 29, 2019, 08:26:27 PM
I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.

As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.

If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.

Regretfully,

Josh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 08:42:15 PM
Depth.

You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.

I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.

You can have Hashim Thabeet
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2019, 12:48:35 PM
Depth.

You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.

I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.

Pats trade another 6th rounder to Bills for Center Russell Bodine.

I'm pretty sure he's realted to Jethro Bodine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 30, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
These new Pats sound like they suck

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
Any large and essentially upright human who is not good enough to play OL for the Cardinals is utterly useless until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2019, 02:06:28 PM
Happy 100th NFL

Pack @ Bears tonight
 
Bears -3

thinking about taking the points

KO Pool: Seattle or whoever is playing against Miami every week

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 05, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
Hard to believe the Browns went.from 0 -16 to 15 - 1 in just two years!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on September 05, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
AB and OBJ can always open up a clown school when they retire
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Still not watching the games



But ......


Pack +3 sounds good.


Knockout pool:

EAGLES
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2019, 03:05:55 PM
You taking a knee on the NFL this year?

Not watching and betting seems a risky strategy.

Good luck, Kap, err kid.

AB not working out so great in Oakland. Rumor is Raiders want to void the contract.

He was born a Brown...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2019, 04:59:57 PM
Yep.  Said I was bailing after the egregious playoff referee errors.  Plenty else to do.

No betting this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
same way I felt about the egregious election tampering  made in '16.  I swore off politics until we got the Ruskies out of our elections.

Thank gawd our president made that a top priority!

in any case you didn't miss much last night.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 12:26:01 PM
Hard Knox

Raiders release AB


Just Win AB,

although its easier with a team and 30 million



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2019, 12:35:51 PM
Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 12:36:06 PM
NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.

And he's had hits and misses.

but IMO he passes on AB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 01:23:40 PM
Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.

I did a double-take on your take.

Its not often saBity is used properly in today's prose.

nice work  oz.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 05:24:59 PM
NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.

And he's had hits and misses.

but IMO he passes on AB.

Or passes to him.

We are all Patriots!

I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on September 07, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.

And he's had hits and misses.

but IMO he passes on AB.

Or passes to him.

We are all Patriots!

I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
It's going to take more than a sharpie
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
NFL picks on the way

Special feature this year - 4+ team moneyline parlays for a hundy.  Play along if you wish*

Knockout pool here as well.  Someone took SEA, I have PHI

The slate:

9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43


* for parlay, select the teams and punch them in at www.fanduel.com to get the payout
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 09:18:03 AM
Kid8   week 1 2019

9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46      23-24
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5      27-21
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46      27-13
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40      23-16
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5      24-17
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5     24-27
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5      27-24
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5      30-17
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5       24-27
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5     24-20
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44      31-14
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5      24-20
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5     27-17
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51      31-27
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5     31-23
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43      24-17

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 11:03:54 AM
AFC

E-Pats
N-Steelers
S-Jags
W-Chiefs

WC-Texans and Browns

Conf champ-Pats


NFC

E-Iggles
N-Packers
S-Saints
W-Rams

WC Seahawks Cowboys

conf champ Saints

SB-Brady v Brees

Brady 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
Week 1 parlay


Eagles Browns Jets Seahawks
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 12:58:16 PM
I nibbled w/bar bets on iggles -9

Like the Jets -3 but kept ammo dry

go slow in week 1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 08, 2019, 02:24:24 PM
I'm watching the Jets-Bills game and it is awful! The Bills have given up 4 turnovers in the first half, but the score (with 38 seconds to go) is only 6-0 for the Jets because their offense has been so lame.

They might manage a field goal here, but... they might not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
burned on a meanigless backdoor cover.

good start to the season!

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
Yeahhh....

Clemson yesterday.  Eagles today

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 08, 2019, 06:05:03 PM
After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 07:48:47 PM
Message to Jets and Lions -

Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 08, 2019, 07:52:49 PM
Message to Jets and Lions -

Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.

And the Clippers, though they survived, as the Lions may yet.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 08:00:55 PM
Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
I had high hopes for the D, it looks real against a real team.

impressive 1st half
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 10:10:44 PM
somewhere in western Pennsylvania Franco Harris cries.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 11:27:34 PM
total and complete ass-kicking.

only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?

any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 08, 2019, 11:51:37 PM
total and complete ass-kicking.

only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?

any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.

He kept thinking that (a) his defense was better than it was and (b) his offense couldn't possibly be that weak. So, he bet that they would outscore the Patriots in the remainder of the game.

He was just the weest bit wrong.

But had he not kicked then, he would have been shut out, I suspect.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2019, 11:58:20 PM
not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.

It made a 3 score game a 3 score game

it accomplished nothing.

worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.

but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".

he was probably right but it was a real bad look.

I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2019, 12:26:41 AM
not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.

It made a 3 score game a 3 score game

it accomplished nothing.

worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.

but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".

he was probably right but it was a real bad look.

I suspect he'll get killed for that decision

I agree, though I suspect that he was going to get killed regardless.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.

It made a 3 score game a 3 score game

it accomplished nothing.

worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.

but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".

he was probably right but it was a real bad look.

I suspect he'll get killed for that decision

Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree

3+7+3+7 = 20

Mike was trusting his defense.  If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1

10-3-1   straight
6-7-1  spread
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 09, 2019, 09:43:27 AM
After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
190 yards of penalties had more.to do with it than Mayfield. Stupid, undisciplined penalties.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2019, 10:06:23 AM
not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.

It made a 3 score game a 3 score game

it accomplished nothing.

worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.

but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".

he was probably right but it was a real bad look.

I suspect he'll get killed for that decision

Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree

3+7+3+7 = 20

Mike was trusting his defense.  If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered

By kicking the FG he was tellling his offense "we cant get 1 yard"

By kicking a FG he was telling his defense, "I don't trust you to stop the Pats from their own 1 and get us the ball back"

By kicking a FG down 20-0, he kept a 3 score game a 3 score game (20-3=17 =3 scores)

he accomplished nothing except avoiding a shutout.

it was a poor decision.

7-7 in my ATS pool

got burned by backdoor with Philly and late meltdowns Jets, Lions.

didn't play any parlays for a hundy

good thing as week 1 is always bitch

How did your 4-team parlay for a hundy turn out kid, I missed your accounting for that?

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2019, 10:15:59 AM
Kid doesn't bet on sports.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2019, 11:56:36 AM
Kid doesn't bet on sports.

So I hear.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on September 09, 2019, 04:00:08 PM
Kid doesn't bet on sports.
😁😂
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
Bunch of Dolphins are said to have demanded trades after their... "performance" yesterday.

Management denied it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
maybe the Pats can call in a favor and get some OL help.

Whats with OBJ and wearing a 350K watch during the game?

His answer to Tom versus Time?

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2019, 09:44:47 PM
That's about your speed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2019, 10:55:42 PM
that was a helluva entertaining game.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
Programming note:  Heidi is on TCM.

I don't care what drugs she takes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2019, 09:33:14 AM
Slow start to 2019

10-5  (winners)
6-9   (spread)
6-10  (O/U)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 10, 2019, 09:40:24 AM
You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2019, 10:46:00 PM
Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2019, 10:53:13 PM
You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.

Heh...

yeah, seems - week 1

Bettors of course dont usually wager an entire slate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 11, 2019, 12:20:07 AM
Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html

I hope there is clear, definitive evidence one way or the other.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2019, 08:32:51 PM
NFL Thursday 9/12


Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2019, 11:22:05 PM
NFL Thursday 9/12


Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay

27-17  (under 50)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 12, 2019, 01:27:32 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053773/article/aaron-rodgers-to-fans-dont-do-wave-when-he-has-ball?icampaign=trendingNews
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
Week 2

9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
the real Jets line is Jets +6.5

it opened at +2.5 but fell to +6.5 when the news of Darnold's mono.




thinking Balt for week 2 of KO pool.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2019, 11:00:27 AM
Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line

Then again - its no given

Almost forgot KNOCKOUT

I will take..............

(Eagles used) 

STEELERS

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:33:58 AM
Week 2

9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50     27-17   L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45     17-20
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48     24-27
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5     21-24
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47     34-21
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5       33-10
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5    24-17
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5     27-20
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5    31-20
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5     23-17
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5    28-21
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52    27-21
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54    24-28
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5    17-20
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51    28-24
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46     27-17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:37:24 AM
Knockout was STEELERS

4 team parlay for today (to win game)



Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
Knockout was STEELERS

4 team parlay for today (to win game)



Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys

Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout

by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.

4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1

good luck
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 15, 2019, 11:20:03 AM
Kid doesn't bet on sports.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2019, 12:51:27 PM
But he talks a solid game.

I got browbeat by a couple of guys to take my Pats at -19

It could get ugly in the Miami heat.

Brady usually plays like shit in Miami, but I could see the D flexing their muscles against their former D-coordinator, Flores.

If the D has Brady's back, they could win this 21-0, or 48-0.

Went with Ravens in KO pool.

1-Seahawks

2-Ravens

trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.

Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.

Can't wait to see them against a real offense.

Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 15, 2019, 08:24:06 PM
Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line

Then again - its no given

Almost forgot KNOCKOUT

I will take..............

(Eagles used) 

STEELERS

Knocked out.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 15, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.

Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.

Can't wait to see them against a real offense.

Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.

The JV also did well, as Jimmy and Jacoby both won. So did the Lions. The Dolphins? Well...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 09:07:33 PM
Knockout was STEELERS

4 team parlay for today (to win game)



Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys

Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout

by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.

4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1

good luck

141 is better

No matter

-200 for year
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 09:09:45 PM
I would live wager Eagles right now at -0.5, -116
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 15, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
If my fantasy math is right, I will win if Ryan throws for 10 touchdowns and 680 yards.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line

Then again - its no given

Almost forgot KNOCKOUT

I will take..............

(Eagles used) 

STEELERS

Knocked out.

heh

yeah - tough break for Pitt.

But typical Steelers - even with the injuries they had a nice chance late but couldnt get ball back from Russ.

Tomlin went for 2 early, down 21-19.  This left them 2 scores down late.  Mikey Miiiiiiike.

More:

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-an-angry-airing-of-grievances-after-steelers-loss-to-seahawks/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2019, 11:52:50 AM
Surgery for Benny out for the season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 16, 2019, 12:03:16 PM
Surgery for Brees also, 6+ weeks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2019, 04:16:45 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 16, 2019, 05:04:15 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.

A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"

After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?

In 2019, is Eli the issue?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 16, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.

A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"

After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?

In 2019, is Eli the issue?
I think they have lots of issues.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2019, 06:52:31 PM
Week 2

9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50     27-17   L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45     17-20     W
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48     24-27    W   
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5     21-24        L
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47     34-21      W
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5       33-10     W
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5    24-17    W
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5     27-20     L
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5    31-20     L
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5     23-17     L
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5    28-21     W
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52    27-21       L
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54    24-28      L
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5    17-20     W
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51    28-24      L
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46     27-17



Browns gimme (?)  for  8-8

14-17 season vs spread
19-13 winners
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2019, 06:56:48 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.

A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"

After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?

In 2019, is Eli the issue?

No.

Wait - what's the question?

====

Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play

So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2019, 07:18:51 PM
Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.

Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.

A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"

After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?

In 2019, is Eli the issue?

No.

Wait - what's the question?

====

Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play

So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.

Eli has a fine character, with the possible exception of his game/non-game jerseys. I agree that it puts him in a very different place than Ben.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 16, 2019, 09:18:59 PM
So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2019, 11:38:24 PM
So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.

Nor did things get better.

He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.

And mono? Hah!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 17, 2019, 11:14:59 AM
So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.

Nor did things get better.

He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.

And mono? Hah!
.maybe, but right now he is all they have. He.is trying to carry the team and it shows.

I had mono as an adult. On my ass for.more than a month.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 17, 2019, 11:25:13 AM
G-Men bench Opie

Jones takes the helm

mono sucks-I had it in high school, every time I thought I was over it, it kicked me again, had it for almost 3 months. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 19, 2019, 05:32:18 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)


Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.

Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.

Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.





Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Ok, slow start....


Tonight


Jacksonville  +1.5  vs  Titans
-  under 40    20-17  Jags
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 01:10:58 PM
G-Men bench Eli

Jones takes the helm



I give Shurmur credit for being decisively non PC

Gonna go with Jones-Latimer as the new PLUS hookup.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)


Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.

Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.

Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.





Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)

Pay the fine

Then pay the other fine

And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
Shurmur cancels Francessa interview

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 03:10:40 PM
Francessa:  "I dont take it personally...."

Followed by...

"Giants have become very good at hiding and very good at losing"

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
Mike:  "I fired Shockey because he didnt show up"

Need a fact check.

Where's that Tara from CNN.com?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 19, 2019, 09:04:25 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/antonio-brown-nike-nfl-patriots/index.html

Nike ditches AB.

Can't blame them, though why it took until now is a good question.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
The article you linked to calls into question why they dumped him at all

But likely you didn't read it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 10:04:58 PM
Week 3



9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2019, 10:09:12 PM
Why do you spill so much cyberink on gambling when you rarely bet on sports?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
You should have me on ignore if you dont want to see the odds
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
And miss out on laughing at you? Not a chance.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 11:11:27 PM
20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 20, 2019, 12:19:18 AM
20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under

Or not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2019, 09:29:46 AM
Didn't watch last night. I wasn't ready for a crappy game,

Heard Brady turned it off.

kicking it between Cowboys and Bills for week 3 KO pool.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 20, 2019, 10:05:14 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)


Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.

Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.

Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.





Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)

Pay the fine

Then pay the other fine

And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.

What hit?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 20, 2019, 04:28:01 PM
So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
AB C ya.

I feel cleaner already.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 20, 2019, 07:54:59 PM
So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.

Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!

If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2019, 11:37:36 AM
So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.

Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!

If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.

AB's complete lack of self control and common sense was kind of extraordinary and will cost him millions and maybe his career.

he's a bad guy, with more bad just waiting to happen. I'm glad he's gone

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 10:05:00 AM


Went with Ravens in KO pool.

1-Seahawks

2-Ravens

trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3

Only bird this week is me.

Almost took the Bills or Vikes but chickened out

went Cowboys in week 3 in my KO pools

1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2019, 10:11:46 AM

9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40    17-20      W
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43     27-14
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5     27-24
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55    34-31
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44      24-17
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5      23-20
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43       24-14
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5      36-9
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47     35-10
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48     23-24
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46     23-27
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5    28-21
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48     27-30
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5     27-21
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50    24-27
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5     23-17


Good luck
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 10:20:31 AM
my bar buddies (one Giant/one Jet fan) want a shot at getting their dough back

I obliged them.

last week it was Pats -19

so this week we settled on Pats -21

Pats O-line depth worries me, but still have a hard time  seeing the Pats D giving up much to a rookie QB.

Le'veon Bell will have a long afternoon

Pats 38-10
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 04:01:27 PM
fucking rookies

should have been 30-0 shutout

D was awesome against a bad team

fucking rookies
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on September 22, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
 Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2019, 04:14:09 PM
Hahaaaa

Pick 6, Tom?  Really?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2019, 04:16:06 PM
Oh...not Brady?  Never mind.

Killed my 7-1...

Settling for 6-2 start to Sunday (7-2 overall)

8-1 winners.

4 upset picks late
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2019, 04:18:02 PM
fucking rookies

should have been 30-0 shutout

D was awesome against a bad team

fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Hahaaaa

Pick 6, Tom?  Really?

It was Stidham.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 04:35:32 PM
Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games

Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
fucking rookies

should have been 30-0 shutout

D was awesome against a bad team

fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.

I thought the line was ok, and the Pats should have covered easily, but

fucking rookies.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 22, 2019, 08:34:00 PM
speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

Oh, but it wasn't all about Eli!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on September 22, 2019, 08:37:38 PM
Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games

Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
😁😁
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2019, 09:13:24 PM
speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

heh

I understand the hate

- but just takes one injury.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2019, 09:15:58 PM

speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

Oh, but it wasnt all about Eli

Winston usually gonna choke.....

but inspired second half play by defense, it appears

Oh - and of course the kicker played a part.

Good on ya, Jonesy.  God speed.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

heh

I understand the hate

- but just takes one injury.

Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.

And you understand very little.

Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.

Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
that 4th and 9 play was brutal
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

heh

I understand the hate

- but just takes one injury.

Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.

And you understand very little.

Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.

Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.

I agree.

Its obvious Jones adds a dimension and is an immense talent.  As I have repeatedly stated, passing on Darnold was wise

Manning will be in the HOF.  Just not yours.  Glad you "like" him so much
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 10:04:29 AM
I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 23, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there.  I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese.  Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 01:35:17 PM
I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 01:37:57 PM
Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 01:48:31 PM
Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
I've no problem with Aikman as a HoF QB.

I would probably comp him more with Bradshaw than Eli.


 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 01:50:43 PM
I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.

I find it amazing that according to the Eli defenders, with the brutal O-line he has had for the last 6 years, he can still walk, never mind lead the league in interceptions.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 01:55:45 PM
I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there.  I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese.  Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.

I think comping QBs from different eras is hard, but in particular, QBs pre-2000 and those post-Polian rule changes.

IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Eli has longevity going for him. Which is fine, he's been an average QB for a long time in the post-Polian era where passing stats are vastly inflated (and rules to aide QBs instituted) versus the playing condsitions of the guys from the '60s to 2000-05, period.

IMO its a different game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 01:57:41 PM
Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?

as a healthy QB-probably.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 01:59:29 PM
Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 23, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Maybe.  But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with (though Dawson mostly played in the AFL and they didn't get a lot of HOF guys) and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 02:15:03 PM
IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Maybe.  But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.

No question that Bradshaw etal played with a lot of great guys, and more than Eli. which may explain in part Eli being a .500 QB over the course of his 15 year career.

But the issue remains for 15 years and some 232 games, Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.

And again would this conversation be taking place w/out the Tyree catch?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 02:52:42 PM
Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.


Top top?  Maybe not - and no shame there

Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 02:56:50 PM
Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

what's the question?

Eli threw that pass.

Eli put Giants in that position.

Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?

Were Giants a better team that year?  Were Patriots injured?  Brain cramped?  How about cheated?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

what's the question?

Eli threw that pass.

Eli put Giants in that position.

Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?

Were Giants a better team that year?  Were Patriots injured?  Brain cramped?  How about cheated?

Kid Please don't compare Brady and Eli, it just magnifies your idiocy, which while it approaches the infinite and is statitically irrleevant, is of concern.

The question was if the refs didn't take a coffee break as Eli was about to get sacked by Seymour, and launched his wounded duck that an all-pro Harrison should have defended better, but was nonthelss snared by Tyree, would anyone in their right mind even consider Eli a HoF QB?

   
Just heard that Barkely has a high ankle sprain, the same injury that had Brady had in the '07 AFCCG, and that Barkely will be out around 4-6 weeks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 03:17:09 PM
Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.


Top top?  Maybe not - and no shame there

Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35

Only the top-top players make the HoF.

He was never an All-pro QB in his career,

Eli has generally been a middle of the pack (AVERAGE) QB for 15 years.

How many Hof QBs do you think have played over the past 15 years?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 03:17:38 PM
Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

what's the question?

Eli threw that pass.

Eli put Giants in that position.

Correct.

Manning should have been sacked five times on that play.  His evasion of the pressure was remarkable.  As was his quick decision to get the ball to Tyree once he scrambled to some open space.  Tyree was open but well covered, and Eli put the ball high, where it needed to be for it to not be broken up.

The fact that it was caught with the helmet, not sure what that has to do with Eli.  You might ask if a better receiver would have made the catch itself less remarkable.  Doesn’t say anything about Eli’s efforts to get it there.

Hall of famer?  I don’t know. Can’t imagine a less interesting debate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 03:21:03 PM
heh

its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.

TFF

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 03:27:02 PM
heh

its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.

TFF

I was curious to see any discussion of Jones, who had a pretty nice debut yesterday.

Then I read a poster making a misinformed argument, and thought I would correct it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 03:37:16 PM
I read your praise of Eli's mobility and scrambling ability, a trait that he has practically trademarked.

That was some pretty funny Onion-worthy stuff.

thanks for the laugh.

Jones? A nice 2nd half, and nice win, and gives G-Men fans hope and a reason to watch CBS Sunday at 1pm.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A

The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 03:39:24 PM
Sorry for reminding you of the crazed killer Hernandez
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
Oh, the pain.....

Check the escape and the accuracy on the Tyree play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGuTp9A9jw
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
For Hamilton -

Ypu're a complete and utter MORON if you don't give Manning his due for that drive.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 03:53:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A

The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.

Thanks for proving my point about Eli.

The case "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on an improbable win in SB42.

And if not for Tyree's helmet catch...

and kid the game was 7-3 Pats at the end of the 3rd qtr.

It was a defensive struggle.

To put forth that Eli had anything but a pedestrian game, but with a 4th qtr comeback, would be a misleading argument.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
Needed a FG to tie

Incomplete
Sack
Incomplete
Incomplete

Brady was outplayed

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 04:02:55 PM
Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 23, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
It is like reading the Nomar/Derek debate all over again.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.

Hamilton say you're a Boston  d-----bag.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 04:07:30 PM
I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well proves something about Manning
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:14:08 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.

what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:20:00 PM
Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.

Hamilton say you're a Boston  d-----bag.

Moron I never made that argument. Learn to read,

The argument made was without the SB42 win, the Eli as a HoF QB doesn't exist.

Don't say "hammy' 3-times, or he will stalk your kids for eternity.

he's a piece of shit.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning

Kid you are beyond strange.

I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.

He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

heh

I do watch football moron

So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 23, 2019, 04:28:57 PM
I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning

Kid you are beyond strange.

I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.

He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.

And Brady too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:30:53 PM
I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning

Kid you are beyond strange.

I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.

He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.

And Brady too.

Yup Jones has the highest winning % of any NFL QB, EVER!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 04:36:20 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

heh

I do watch football moron

So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.

Good suggestion.  Just did.  I had said earlier that Tyree was open.  Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way.  Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.

So no.  Not a jump ball.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 04:39:08 PM

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.


You don't do well when someone expresses an opinion that is not your own. This much is clear.

You have a problem with my participating in this forum?  I said the HOF discussion was not interesting to me.  What I have chimed in on is an obviously biased (I said misinformed, but if you now claim to see the play...) mischaracterization which I have now corrected.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:42:21 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

heh

I do watch football moron

So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.

Good suggestion.  Just did.  I had said earlier that Tyree was open.  Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way.  Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.

So no.  Not a jump ball.

Wrong again.

It was a broken play.

Do you think the play was designed that way?

For Eli to scramble for about 10 seconds and almost getting crushed by 3 Pats rushing him?

If not for O'Hara's chokehold, Eli gets squashed.

It was a fucking fire drill with receivers trying to get open.

Eli chucked a wounded duck jump ball.

You really are a clueless fanboy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:45:23 PM

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.


You don't do well when someone expresses an opinion that is not your own. This much is clear.

You have a problem with my participating in this forum?  I said the HOF discussion was not interesting to me.  What I have chimed in on is an obviously biased (I said misinformed, but if you now claim to see the play...) mischaracterization which I have now corrected.

Feel free to add your brand of fanboyism to the forum.

But please for those of us who post here somewhat regularly, wipe up after you're done expressing yourself.



 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on September 23, 2019, 04:46:56 PM
By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders.  Did it not?

Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.

Like I said, misinformed.

A jump ball?  And you claim to watch football?  Wow.

Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.

heh

I do watch football moron

So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.

Good suggestion.  Just did.  I had said earlier that Tyree was open.  Hard to see, but the announcer on the clip I watched described him that way.  Harrison also facing the receiver, not watching the ball, which suggests he was beat.

So no.  Not a jump ball.

Wrong again.

It was a broken play.

Do you think the play was designed that way?

For Eli to scramble for about 10 seconds and almost getting crushed by 3 Pats rushing him?

If not for O'Hara's chokehold, Eli gets squashed.

It was a fucking fire drill with receivers trying to get open.

Eli chucked a wounded duck jump ball.

You really are a clueless fanboy.

Receivers get open on broken plays.  QBs regularly get credit for finding them after scrambling to elude defenders.  Only someone with an agenda would describe such a connection as a “jump ball” only because the original play was broken.

And only an asshole would describe someone as a “clueless fanboy” after they make a fact-based argument only because they don’t agree with the conclusion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
WHEEEEEEE

Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.

And only a clueless fanboy moron would give their opinion that is wholly an opinion and insist it was fact-based.

You really are a moron.

and there should be a box of kleenex around here for you to wipe up your fanboy expressions,

Hammy used it quite regularly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 05:10:39 PM
Eli threw a wounded duck jump ball off a broken play that Tyree outjumped Harrison for.


Nah, man - much better pass than that

The escape was of course the key

You just didnt get the turnovers/stops you needed.  Tough vs an in his prime HOF QB.  I even credit Eli for some of the sacks he took.  Took care of the ball.  Turned the page.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 05:14:26 PM
Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.

what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?

Nothing

And there is no debate

Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2019, 05:25:00 PM
Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that

Hoodie?  Not one of his best.

what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?

Nothing

And there is no debate

Just some asshole yelling, "The world is flat!!!!"

Perhaps you should stop yelling.

And there will be some discussion in about 5-6 years, covering the issue I raised but you, excuse my wording, have chosen to duck.

But thanks again for proving my point, that  to support Eli's HoF credentials you must ignore 99% of his body of work.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 09:53:22 PM
Perhaps you should stop yelling.


heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on September 24, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

No credit for Eli's mobility to even get that pass off?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on September 24, 2019, 02:17:23 PM

 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.


2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.


Forgive the focus.  But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2019, 02:50:33 PM

 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.


2 Super Bowl MVPs against the supposed GOAT.


Forgive the focus.  But that's like not focusing on Pam Anderson's chest.

The narrow focus was my point, so thanks for once more, proving it.   

To reiterate, one has to ignore 99% of Eli's  pedestrian body of work assembled over 15 years, to promote his HoF candidacy.

And it may work, he might get in.

We'll find out in 5-6 years
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 24, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
I don't think that's fair, Banks.

He only played in 246 games. And he did well in 8 of his 12 playoff games, so that would be ignoring 96.75% of his games, not 99%.

Sure, he lost 4 of the 6 first round games he played in, but so what?!

He's 27th in comebacks and 37th in 4th quarter drives.

And 6th all time in fumbles! 3 of the guys ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame, after all.

Sure he's thrown 50 more interceptions than Big Ben and 70 more than TB12, but Drew Brees is only a few behind him - and will stay that way for a while.

And the folks his career is like include Big Ben, Warren Moon*, Terry Bradshaw*, John Hadl, Bob Griese*, Drew Bledsoe, Donovan McNabb, Joe Montana*, Carson Palmer, and Jim Kelly*.

A bunch of them are in the Hall already. So, maybe he does belong, despite his overall mediocre numbers. Or maybe he's like Hadl, Bledsoe, McNabb, and Palmer.

Would you put any of them in the Hall?! How about Big Ben?
Title: Defeating the 18-0 Pats
Post by: Kam on September 24, 2019, 07:23:05 PM
An accomplishment thought impossible!

Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.

as the MVP.
Title: Meanwhile back at the ranch
Post by: Kam on September 24, 2019, 07:25:00 PM
https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/24/20881889/ny-giants-daniel-jones-film-study-how-well-did-he-handle-pressure-on-sunday
 (https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/24/20881889/ny-giants-daniel-jones-film-study-how-well-did-he-handle-pressure-on-sunday)

Jones was pressured on 47 percent of his drop backs Sunday - third highest among all Week 3 quarterbacks - and he completed 80 percent of his passes on those pressured attempts for 233 yards, two touchdowns and a perfect 158.3 passer rating. Building off of that, Scott Barrett from Pro Football Focus indicated that those numbers were the fourth-most pressured passing yards by any quarterback in any regular season game in PFF’s history, a timeframe that spans 2007 through 2019. During that decade-plus, there are 1,674 instances of a QB attempting at least 12 pressured pass attempts in a game, and here is the list of quarterbacks who finished with a perfect passer rating:

Daniel Jones.

That’s it. He’s the list.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2019, 07:32:41 PM
Josh

I think Bennie R is a 1st year HoF lock.

Hadl is interesting. He was one of the best QBs-gunslingers in the old pre-merger AFL,

I liked him as a QB.  I would lean to vote him in.

I think if one takes a look at the stats which I sensed you may have, there is a huge # inflation which the post-2000 QBs have benefitted from. I'm ballparking that on passing yards its in the 12-20% range.
Title: Re: Defeating the 18-0 Pats
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
An accomplishment thought impossible!

Besting the best coach of all time.... not once, but twice.

as the MVP.

Tuck and the Giants D was the real MVP of SB42.

As to impossible accomplishments, in 2011, the Giants beat the Pats in Foxboro during the regular season. (24-20)

I had the G-Men as the real favorite (3 points) in SB46.

Pats had the 31th ranked defense that year.

The Giants were a terrible match-up for them.

I think what we are finding is impossible is for G-Men fans to focus on and discuss Opies performance in his 232 regular season games which account for almost all his career.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
Up to 25-22...

solid 11-5 week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2019, 09:30:08 PM
Today's quiz -

In how many regular season games did Eli Manning have a 100+ passer rating?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2019, 10:11:12 PM
Today's quiz -

In how many regular season games did Eli Manning have a 100+ passer rating?

Just counted (may be off a little-tired eyes)

I had it at 62 or about 26.7% of his games,

Not as many as Brady (129-47.4%) , Brees (117-44.1%) Benny (89-40,6%), or Rivers (98-46.4%)

Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating

Did you have a point?

Other than proving mine?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 24, 2019, 11:40:03 PM
Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating


There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.

Give the guy a break.

Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on September 25, 2019, 01:28:19 AM
Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating


There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.

Give the guy a break.

Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...

I get it.  Super Bowls aren't important. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2019, 09:14:37 AM
Kam - wrong approach

Bank thinks 100+ passer ratings are mediocre and top 50 players can be average QBs. That is where he goes seriously awry.

I don't mind that he comes to the improper conclusion that Tyrees catch puts Eli in the Hall, where he would not otherwise be.  Its the Den-like extremism (see anything with 99% in it) that is his absolute undoing and why none of us needs to continue what BS considers a "debate"

I told you all on the Knicks forum that Bank would soil the space when he arrived.  And he did.  Not unlike here.

Stick around Lam.  Maybe make some weekly picks.  The forum needs some new air, surely.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2019, 09:41:45 AM
Eli is tied with Joe Flacco in 44th place with 84.1 career QB rating


There are only 22 active quarterbacks with higher career passer ratings (not qbr) than Eli.

Give the guy a break.

Okay, there are only 4 active QBs with lower career passer ratings than Eli...

I get it.  Super Bowls aren't important.

heh

Kam

I'm pretty sure that's NOT the take-away from my Eli points, but if it makes you sleep easier to mangle my pretty easy to understand point, feel free to mangle away..

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2019, 09:48:28 AM
Kid seems upset that his hot take talking point quiz about the # of Eli's 100+ QB rating games was fact checked and put into actual comparative context with several QBs from the same era and proved that on that stat, Eli was clearly an average QB.

He proved my point, so now he resorts to insults and ends up soiling himself on this forum.

TFF

grow-up kid

and have mom change your diapers.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2019, 10:00:10 AM
kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.

232/234 = 99.1%

ask your teacher to show you how to do long-division,

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 25, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
I think Manning winning 5 post-season road games to get those Super Bowls (only one home game in those two seasons) should probably be looked at too.

Winning games on the road in the NFL playoffs can be extraordinarily difficult.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Good point.

I always thouht Eli's game against the 49ers, where he got absolutely pounded was a great win. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 25, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
The OT win against Green Bay in the NFC Championship game of Manning's first Super Bowl season was one of my favorite Giants' wins ever.  I thought Coughlin was going to die. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 25, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
This fucking argument pissing match is going to go on for the next six years, isn't it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2019, 10:36:30 AM
This fucking argument pissing match is going to go on for the next six years, isn't it.

Probably not.

I brought up the subject tangentially in the context of Eli being replaced by Jones.

seems I upset the the silent but suddenly vocal Opie loyalists who never post here.

I was expecting more chatter on the Browns this year.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
NFL Thursday  9/26


9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45    27-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2019, 10:12:49 AM
kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.


You make no sense

64 times passer rating was 100+ for a reg season game

All part of the HOF resume

And by the way - the game is not over if Tyree drops the ball - but very likely is if Eli throws a pick - and made much more difficult had he not escaped the sack

Now please - be done with it
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
kid the 99% was derived from the singular focus on Eli's 2 SB wins while ignoring 232 regular season games.


You make no sense

64 times passer rating was 100+ for a reg season game

All part of the HOF resume

And by the way - the game is not over if Tyree drops the ball - but very likely is if Eli throws a pick - and made much more difficult had he not escaped the sack

Now please - be done with it

Kid

I made perfect sense.

That you wish to obfuscate the facts with a baseless charge is clear.

To reiterate, you threw out a new metric "100+ passer rating game, as a quiz, to be answered, with no information whatsoever, but presumably to bolster Eli's HoF credntials.

So I checked the stats and answered your quiz on the matter, BUT then overlayed Eli's # re the stat with a few other QBs, who played in the same period, for roughly the same length of time, so as to create a level playing field, BUT to also put the # into some context.

And I had no idea what I wa going to find.

When I looked up and counted Elis #s I had no idea if 62 (or 64) was a lot or not.

So i looked at some other guys (Brady, Brees, Benny, Rivers) .

And what I found was that Eli's # were well below the more elite QBs in the league, and his career of a paser rating placed him in 44th place among QBs, a rather pedestrain ranking on your cherry picked stat.

So don't get pissed at me that the metric you chose to validate Eli's HoF candidacy, only proved my point that he's has been mostly a middle of the pack QB, for most of a long career.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
and its unfortunate that the mystery of long-division still escapes you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 10:48:29 AM
boz

I'm sorry but kid seems intent on making a fool of himself on this matter.

Nomar!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
Wow

What a dick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2019, 01:19:17 PM
Favre checks in on Eli

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855304-brett-favre-deep-down-eli-manning-didnt-want-daniel-jones-to-excel-in-debut?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
Wow

What a dick.

That's not the first time I heard that. But when I did I thought it was meant to flatter.

I don't sense that was your meaning.

heh

Don't be pissed-I just used your cherry-picked metric, and put some facts and context around it, to poke a hole in your argument.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
Packers -4 looks like an interesting venture tonight

Pack 24-17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 03:57:26 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27707277/sources-nfl-owners-proposing-17-game-slate (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27707277/sources-nfl-owners-proposing-17-game-slate)

As talks continue for a new collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and the players' union, the most dramatic proposal on the table from owners is an expanded regular season to 17 games that could eliminate preseason games in their entirety, sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 26, 2019, 11:58:41 PM
Quite a stand by the Eagles' defense at the end of the game. 9 goal-to-go plays by the Packers, to no avail.

I hope that Maddox is okay.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2019, 11:58:55 PM
somewhere Forest Gregg and Jerry Kramer shed a tear

Packers got some work to do on that goal line offense
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on September 27, 2019, 10:49:03 AM
G-Men bench Eli

Jones takes the helm



I give Shurmur credit for being decisively non PC

Gonna go with Jones-Latimer as the new PLUS hookup.



Lookin like Jones-Slayton deep threat for the forseeable future. 

We will see what Tate brings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 27, 2019, 12:11:27 PM
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Updated Sep 27, 2019 at 11:17am
Avonte Maddox

The Eagles earned a potentially season-saving win Thursday night over the Packers. It came with a huge cost.

Cornerback Avonte Maddox left the field on a stretcher in a scary moment. The second-year player collided with teammate Andrew Sendejo with less than a minute remaining in the game in a vicious helmet-to-helmet hit. Maddox lay motionless on the turf for an extended period with an apparent concussion. Both benches cleared in support of the injured Eagle.

On Friday morning, Maddox updated everyone on his status. He is recovering nicely and feeling better. The Eagles haven’t set a timetable for his return.

Quote
Avonte Maddox

@2live_AM
Everything is going well. Appreciate the prayers and get well wishes. God is good. 🙏🏽

Tweet from Maddox this morning.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2019, 03:38:55 PM
KO Pool

week 4 Chargers


1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 29, 2019, 07:43:44 AM
   


NFL Line 9/26 - 9/30, 2019

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45      27-20    L
9/29 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Panthers 46
9/29 1:00 ET Baltimore -7 Browns 46
9/29 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Redskins 47.5
9/29 1:00 ET Chargers -16.5 Miami 45
9/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Raiders 45
9/29 1:00 ET Chiefs -6 Detroit 54
9/29 1:00 ET Patriots -7 Buffalo 42.5
9/29 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Titans 45.5
9/29 4:05 ET LA Rams -10 Buccaneers 50.5
9/29 4:05 ET Seahawks -5 Arizona 47.5
9/29 4:25 ET Chicago -2.5 Vikings 38
9/29 4:25 ET Denver -3 Jaguars 38
9/29 8:20 ET Cowboys -2.5 New Orleans 46
9/30 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 Bengals 43.5

Week 4 Byes: NY Jets, San Francisco
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 29, 2019, 07:57:47 AM

   


NFL Line 9/26 - 9/30, 2019

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

9/26 8:20 ET Green Bay -4.5 Eagles 45      27-20    L
9/29 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Panthers 46      27-20
9/29 1:00 ET Baltimore -7 Browns 46         24-21
9/29 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Redskins 47.5    27-20   
9/29 1:00 ET Chargers -16.5 Miami 45       28-14
9/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Raiders 45      27-21
9/29 1:00 ET Chiefs -6 Detroit 54               34-27
9/29 1:00 ET Patriots -7 Buffalo 42.5          27-17
9/29 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Titans 45.5            26-19
9/29 4:05 ET LA Rams -10 Bucs 50.5          31-19   
9/29 4:05 ET Seahawks -5 Arizona 47.5      27-24
9/29 4:25 ET Chicago -2.5 Vikings 38          17-20
9/29 4:25 ET Denver -3 Jaguars 38             20-14
9/29 8:20 ET Cowboys -2.5 New O 46         24-27
9/30 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -4 Bengals 43.5      27-17

Week 4 Byes: NY Jets, San Francisco
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 29, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
sometimes a defensive struggle can be a thing of beauty.

this one was kind of ugly

but awinzawin

Pats need to fix their banged up O-line 
Title: OBJ trade pays dividend
Post by: Kam on September 30, 2019, 11:21:15 AM
Had twice as many receptions as Peppers. 
But Peppers scored.
Title: Jones vs. Haskins
Post by: Kam on September 30, 2019, 11:22:41 AM
Seems DG was right and all the talking media heads were dead wrong.
Title: Re: OBJ trade pays dividend
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
Had twice as many receptions as Peppers. 
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.
Title: Re: OBJ trade pays dividend
Post by: Kam on September 30, 2019, 12:50:18 PM
Had twice as many receptions as Peppers. 
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.

Evan Engram as the new focal-point for receptions along with Saquon's pass catching when healthy gives the Giants two dynamic players who can gain yards after the catch.  OBJ may be the best receiver of the bunch but his ego being gone lets steadier heads prevail to leadership.  Daniel Jones still has good receivers to throw to.  SShephard is a worthy starter and we will see what Tate brings.
Title: Re: OBJ trade pays dividend
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2019, 03:34:20 PM
Had twice as many receptions as Peppers. 
But Peppers scored.
He really hasn't been missed.

heh

not the point but we will see
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 01, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.

Carli Lloyd come on down.

Pats holding audutions.

Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 02, 2019, 05:46:47 PM
I'm from the "kickers are a dime-a-dozen" school. Like finding a closer, it's easy to find a good kicker. Unless you can't.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 02, 2019, 06:52:44 PM
I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2019, 08:04:37 AM
5-10, 30-32


This week:


10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5

Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2019, 08:05:29 AM
Rams 27 Seahawks 24
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2019, 08:06:35 AM
Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.

Carli Lloyd come on down.

Pats holding audutions.

Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.

Yeah, they really fucking crushed the Bills

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2019, 08:20:51 AM
I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2019, 09:40:02 AM
Pats put Gostkowski on IR-having season ending (hip?) surgery.

Carli Lloyd come on down.

Pats holding audutions.

Good news there don't appear to be many "FG" games in the near future.

Yeah, they really fucking crushed the Bills

Heh

that wasn't the point

you are aware the pending their next round of injuries, they are 15.5 point favorites against the skins?

and that if they survive the skins they then get back to back games against the two titans, the double-headed beast of Jersey football, and they figure to be double-digit favorites in those games.

Pats need to find a guy who can kick the ball mid end-zone deep on kick-offs and hit a 45 yarder and they'll be ok.
They have some other bigger issues to deal with.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2019, 10:15:08 AM
I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
Funny, for me Methchicken players stop being Methchicken players shortly after they reach the next level. But once a Spartan always a Spartan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
I see the GI Ants released Bennie Fowler. Quick trivia: Bennie Fowler is the last person to...?
No one cares? He was the last person to catch a pass from Peyton Manning, a 2 pt. converion in the Super Bowl.
I've been banned from talking about Michigan State players. If it's any consolation, I still care more about Fowler than I do about Kid's gambing spam.
Funny, for me Methchicken players stop being Methchicken players shortly after they reach the next level. But once a Spartan always a Spartan.
My daughter is a stern taskmaster.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor

Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression

a ball of fury on 3rd and longs. 


Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...

always liked that song

Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor

Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression

a ball of fury on 3rd and longs. 


Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...

always liked that song

Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
Our version of that song was much different.  In retrospect horribly anti-intellectual, scatological, and homophobic.

Winovich may take me longer to transition from. I believe Shallique Calhoun is playing a far more important role in the Pat's defense.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
speaking of Wolverines of Ann Arbor

Pat's rookie rusher Chase Winovich has created a positive impression

a ball of fury on 3rd and longs. 


Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes...

always liked that song

Hail! Hail! to Meatchicken
You've gravy on your vest.
Our version of that song was much different.  In retrospect horribly anti-intellectual, scatological, and homophobic.

Winovich may take me longer to transition from. I believe Shallique Calhoun is playing a far more important role in the Pat's defense.

I was toying with doing something a little less p/c, but chickened out and went with gravy/vest.

But I can imagine the opportunity to offend on several scores is certainly there.

There are some elements of the bad old days I miss.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2019, 11:57:08 PM
for a Thurs game that was pretty good.

that pick was shades of the Edelman SB magic minus 3 guys on top of him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 04, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Hahaaaa

Beat (push) by a Greg the Leg choke?

Tough one. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
KO Pool Week 5

5-Eagles


1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2019, 07:24:47 PM



10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49     24-27       L
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5       17-20
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5     20-17
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5     27-24
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41     23-16
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45     21-23
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44       29-14
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5     28-13
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47     30-23
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49     27-24
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5     20-17
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5     27-17
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47      21-24
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57     31-23   
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5    24-27

Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2019, 04:30:50 PM




10/3 8:20 ET Seattle -1 Rams 49     24-27       L
10/6 1:00 ET Ravens -4 Pittsburgh 42.5       17-20     W
10/6 1:00 ET Bears -5 Oakland (At London) 41.5     20-17    W
10/6 1:00 ET Cincinnati -4.5 Cardinals 48.5     27-24    W
10/6 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Jaguars 41     23-16     W
10/6 1:00 ET Vikings -5 NY Giants 45     21-23    L
10/6 1:00 ET Patriots -15.5 Washington 44       29-14    L
10/6 1:00 ET Philadelphia -14 Jets 44.5     28-13     W
10/6 1:00 ET New Orleans -4 Buccaneers 47     30-23     W
10/6 1:00 ET Houston -5 Falcons 49     27-24    L
10/6 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Bills 38.5     20-17     L
10/6 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Broncos 43.5     27-17
10/6 4:25 ET Dallas -3.5 Packers 47      21-24
10/6 8:20 ET Kansas City -10.5 Colts 57     31-23   
10/7 8:15 ET San Francisco -3.5 Browns 47.5    24-27

Week 5 Byes: Detroit, Miami
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2019, 05:20:10 PM
Pats D dominated again aganst a bad team

they need to find a better band-aid for their O-line woes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 06, 2019, 06:35:47 PM
Pats D dominated again aganst a bad team

they need to find a better band-aid for their O-line woes

In case there is a good team from the NFC in the Super Bowl?

All gowdying aside, it's true, but they still have close to a month to get it figured out.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 07, 2019, 03:07:00 AM
Loved seeing Indy beat KC.

The former Patriot quarterbacks are 6-2 so far this season, which is not bad.

Which do you think will finish with the better record this year? Jimmy G or Jacoby B?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2019, 11:31:15 AM
Weird week

6-8 winners

8-6 spread
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
Hopr they win 3-4 games now and miss on the top pick
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2019, 10:37:05 AM
Giants recent history good as double digit dogs:

https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/giants-havent-been-this-much-of-an-underdog-in-nearly-40-years/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2019, 03:06:53 PM
looks like a monsoon for Foxboro tomorrow night.

pound the under (opened at 46 now 41, I got 42 1/2)

spread now up to 17

could be a tricky cover in bad weather

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
Better trust your kicker.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2019, 05:00:24 PM
in a monsoon, I'd rather put my trust in the O-line and D-line to determine the outcome.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2019, 03:58:57 AM
A 30 min presentation detailing all the teams throughout NFL history and explaining how each team got its name. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovdbrdCIP7U
Includes some vintage play clips. 
Interesting.
They say the last NFL team to fold was the one-year Dallas Texans (1959 or 60, I think it was).

Many teams got their name from Fan Naming Contests.

The Cowboys were almost named the Steers, the fan favorite name, but Tex Shramm didn't like it.  Rangers was also strongly considered.   but then they went with the simple and classic Cowboys, a backup choice.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 08:33:16 AM


Tonight's NFL

(38-39 season record)


10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5



Comes down to can the Giants block?


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 10:08:12 AM
KO Pool

wk-6 I'm kicking it between (risk low to high) Pats, Pack, Chiefs

I was thinking of using Skins, but new coach on the road seemed too big a risk.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
Quote
They say the last NFL team to fold was the one-year Dallas Texans (1959 or 60, I think it was).

They really didn't fold, but Hunt moved them to KC after 3 years in Dallas, and renamed them the Chiefs.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
There was an NFL team, the Dallas Texans that played one season in the early 50's and moved to Baltimore and became the Colts.

The Texans had earlier in been in Boston (as the Yanks) and New York as the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 12:11:49 PM


Tonight's NFL

(38-39 season record)


10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5



Comes down to can the Giants block?


Weather looking better - so we will go with the OVER
No Eli, so we will go away from the Giants cover trend

30-13 Pats
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2019, 02:45:34 PM
I got the year confused (due to the two Dallas Texan teams).

The 1960 era Dallas Texans, which moved to KC, were an AFL team.

The NFL Dallas Texans lasted one year -- 1952 -- and are considered the last NFL franchise to fail.  They pretty much took over the failed NY Yanks players, but weren't considered a continuation of that lineage.  The Baltimore Colts started in 1953 and took on many of the Texan players, but are considered an expansion team and new franchise.

So the Dallas Texans are considered a one year franchise which failed.
Apparently had a rough season and the last few home games were played in Hershey PA and one in Ohio.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 03:29:06 PM


Tonight's NFL

(38-39 season record)


10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5 Giants 42.5



Comes down to can the Giants block?


Weather looking better - so we will go with the OVER
No Eli, so we will go away from the Giants cover trend

30-13 Pats

Don't let those sunny Jersey skies fool you kid, from what I can tell the monsoon is still on for southeastern Ma. And should hit Foxboro with heavy rain and wind of 20-40mph).

From this AM's Globe

In addition to the rain that has already fallen, another 3 to 6 inches is expected Thursday and Friday in Southeastern Massachusetts, where storm totals could reach 8 inches, the weather service said.

A high wind warning is in effect until 6 a.m. Friday for Cape Cod and the Islands, as well as Block Island in Rhode Island, with gusts up to 60 miles per hour expected. On Thursday morning, gusts of 35 to 45 miles per hour were reported, with sustained winds of 25 to 35 miles per hour.




You're conservative right kid?

So lets go with a conservative 27-3 Pats

Who knows its possible Dylan was wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
Shaughnessy on Pats-Giants WBW

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/09/the-giants-remember-are-big-part-new-england-football-history/hew8CZg1WHE3kmcGdf5EnI/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/09/the-giants-remember-are-big-part-new-england-football-history/hew8CZg1WHE3kmcGdf5EnI/story.html)

The New York Giants, who will play the 5-0 Patriots Thursday night at Gillette Stadium, are a big part of New England’s football history. Your awareness of Patriots-Giants linkage depends on your age.


If you’re a New England football fan over the age of 60, it’s a whole different story. You probably grew up rooting for the Giants. They were your team before the Patriots became your team.

As a little kid, I loved the Giants, even though they played in Yankee Stadium. The Giants contended annually. They had star power. They played in the greatest game ever played, the 1958 sudden-death championship game against the Baltimore Colts. The Giants had Frank Gifford, Sam Huff, Y.A. Tittle, Roosevelt Grier, and Del Shofner.

“The first three years of the Patriots, we played our games on Friday nights because we didn’t want to compete with the Giants on Sunday,’’ says former Patriots general manager Patrick Sullivan, whose father, Billy Sullivan, was the founder of the Patriots. “It was an uphill battle.


It was easy to root for both teams pre-merger, and I did, but by the mid-60s I was more Pats fan than Giants fans. And I could and did see them play in several area stadiums including Fenway and BC.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Pats O-line is a disaster

they need a fix ASAP
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 11:32:21 PM
wasn't pretty

D controlled and won the game and offense eventually wore down the Giants

but AWINZAWIN
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2019, 10:12:42 AM
Back to .500 at 39-39 vs spread

Here is the rest of the slate for this week:


Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5   vs  Giants 42.5    30-13        W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5  vs  Bengals 48
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5    at  Cleveland 47.5
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5   vs  Texans 55
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1   vs  Saints 44.5
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3   vs  Eagles 43.5
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5   at  Miami 41
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5   vs  49ers 50
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5   at  Arizona 51.5
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5   at  NY Jets 43.5
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5   vs  Titans 39
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5   vs  Steelers 41
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5   vs  Lions 47

Week 6 Byes: Buffalo, Chicago, Indianapolis, Oakland
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on October 11, 2019, 11:45:08 AM
Giants defense did some good things last night.  They kept the game close for a while.  Held Brady without a TD.  I'm truly impressed with Jones play.   Yes the interceptions were bad mistakes, and he has to learn from the disguised coverages he saw.  But he probably learned a lot these last two weeks against the Vikings and Pats D.   If he is making the same mistakes at the end of the season that will be cause for concern, but if he watches the tape and corrects his reads the Giants might be set at QB for the next 5-10 years.

The 5th rd pick, Darius Slayton, continues to impress as well.  Fastest guy on the team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 12, 2019, 03:24:59 PM



10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5   vs  Giants 42.5    30-13        W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48    24-27
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5  vs  Bengals 48        29-17     
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5    at  Cleveland 47.5      24-21
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5   vs  Texans 55       31-27
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1   vs  Saints 44.5       21-24
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3   vs  Eagles 43.5        24-17
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5   at  Miami 41         20-17
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5   vs  49ers 50          28-24
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5   at  Arizona 51.5       24-27
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5   at  NY Jets 43.5      28-14
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5   vs  Titans 39           20-17
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5   vs  Steelers 41      24-21
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5   vs  Lions 47          30-21

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2019, 04:32:44 PM

10/10 8:20 ET New England -16.5   vs  Giants 42.5    30-13        W
10/13 9:30 ET Panthers -2 Tampa Bay(@London) 48    24-27    L
10/13 1:00 ET Baltimore -11.5  vs  Bengals 48        29-17      L
10/13 1:00 ET Seahawks -1.5    at  Cleveland 47.5      24-21    W
10/13 1:00 ET Kansas City -5.5   vs  Texans 55       31-27     W
10/13 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1   vs  Saints 44.5       21-24      W
10/13 1:00 ET Minnesota -3   vs  Eagles 43.5        24-17      W
10/13 1:00 ET Redskins -3.5   at  Miami 41         20-17       W
10/13 4:05 ET LA Rams -3.5   vs  49ers 50          28-24
10/13 4:05 ET Falcons -2.5   at  Arizona 51.5       24-27
10/13 4:25 ET Cowboys -7.5   at  NY Jets 43.5      28-14
10/13 4:25 ET Denver -2.5   vs  Titans 39           20-17
10/13 8:20 ET LA Chargers -6.5   vs  Steelers 41      24-21
10/14 8:15 ET Green Bay -5   vs  Lions 47          30-21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
Darnold showing some intestinal fortitude as the qtr closes.
Title: NFC East
Post by: Kam on October 13, 2019, 07:31:47 PM
The Washingtonians were the only winners this week.   Still anybody's division.

3-3
3-3
2-4
1-5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Entertaining Jets-Cowboy game

Fireman Ed goes home happy
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
I benched a guy who caught three touchdown passes in favor of a guy who dropped three touchdown passes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
Entertaining Jets-Cowboy game

Fireman Ed goes home happy

Jets D saved Sam
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 15, 2019, 11:42:31 AM
I swear, Rodgers lost 2 yards the last time he took a knee.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2019, 01:06:23 PM
Wow.  2 1 point wins in a row.  May be my year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 15, 2019, 03:20:16 PM
More then that: Rodgers got exactly 10 yards rushing.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 08:51:33 AM
So that was the difference I guess - 1 or 2 scrambles.  The late TD, of course.....

Oh, that Rodgers.  There they are again, at 5-1.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 02:11:44 PM
looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 02:21:46 PM
Thursday nighter


10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2019, 11:50:35 AM



10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 18, 2019, 01:09:46 AM



10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21

The Chiefs covered and handily, though they were definitely under.

But what does the Mahomes injury do to the rest of the season? Is he back in just a few weeks or is it more severe than that?! (And how could they let him insist on walking?!)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 08:52:22 AM



10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21    L


48-45  overall
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 08:54:59 AM

10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21      L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool

I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one

and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.

I have to get picks in tomorrow AM

so plenty of time to 2nd guess myself.

heh


I bowed to peer pressure and local custom and took Pats -9 1/2 at my local watering hole.

I'm legitimately wary of this game, Pats offense is on vapors, its basically Brady and Edleman and a couple of UDFA

Pats O-line is a mess, no running game, and porous as swiss cheese,

and the J-E-T-S have a D

not too dissimilar to what we saw last weekend with Jets and Cowboys

I think there's a half-decent chance of a Jets straight win in a really ugly defensive low-scoring game game (like 17-14).

My best case  for the cover is Pats 24-Jets 10-14
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 02:19:02 AM


10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21      L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5     24-27
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48       24-27
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40        31-10
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45            23-21
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5       27-17
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5       24-17
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54             27-30
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5         27-13
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40         20-17
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5         27-31
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5         17-13
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5          28-24
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5      24-17   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool

I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one

and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.


and so shall it be done

1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
6-Patriots

7a-Bills
7b-49ers

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2019, 02:57:41 PM
7a-Bills
7b-49ers


not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch

its efficient

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 03:09:42 PM
Time for ELI
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
7a-Bills
7b-49ers


not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch

its efficient

heh

It wasn't pretty but it worked.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 20, 2019, 05:52:28 PM
 It appears that the sculpters in Canton, Ohio can slow down the work on Daniel Jones' bust.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 20, 2019, 07:54:47 PM
Time for ELI

That way, the losses can be bigger and grander!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 07:55:43 PM
7a-Bills
7b-49ers


not often you get the chance to KO yourself twice with one punch

its efficient

heh

It wasn't pretty but it worked.

Going for the big bucks.  Nice.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 20, 2019, 11:38:12 PM
Dallas seems to have cover the spread, though it was a close thing. They missed the over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 21, 2019, 08:55:02 PM
Darnold is looking like a rookie out there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2019, 09:42:17 PM
Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 21, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?

Aww, does somebody's prediction against the spread look as if it might not work out?

Poor Kid.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2019, 10:14:50 PM
Yeah - need this one to go 6 games over
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 21, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
I thought you didn't bet on sports.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2019, 10:41:15 PM
Right

And if I did I certainly wouldnt have bet this game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2019, 11:42:16 PM
How did the Jets beat the Cowboys?

Darnold better take the morning after pill as he get fucked everywhich way tonight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 08:42:48 AM


10/17 8:20 ET Chiefs -3.5 Denver 49      24-21      L
10/20 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 Cardinals 49.5     24-27   W
10/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -1 Texans 48       24-27   L
10/20 1:00 ET Buffalo -17 Dolphins 40        31-10    L
10/20 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Detroit 45            23-21     W
10/20 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Raiders 46.5       27-17    W
10/20 1:00 ET Jaguars -3 Cincinnati 43.5       24-17    W
10/20 1:00 ET Rams -3 Atlanta 54             27-30    L
10/20 1:00 ET 49ers -10 Washington 41.5         27-13    L
10/20 4:05 ET Tennessee -2 Chargers 40         20-17    W
10/20 4:25 ET Seattle -3.5 Ravens 50.5         27-31    W
10/20 4:25 ET Chicago -3 Saints 38.5         17-13     L
10/20 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Eagles 48.5          28-24    W
10/21 8:15 ET Patriots -9.5 NY Jets 42.5      24-17     L


7-7
11-3 winners
5-9 o/u

.547 composite

55-51 vs spread for season
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
Who is that announcer sucking Brady's dick?

Brady was ok last night playing without a lot of skill guys and Jules still banged up.

Maybe not BJ worthy, but deserving of a happy ending.


Felt bad for Darnold-he was spooked, and got his "Who's your daddy game" that will haunt him until he shakes them or

cue Ray Parker...



Pats trade for Sanu, which should help.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:44:01 AM
Just picked up Sanu but wont play him yet

Beckham, Sutton, Robinson, G Tate, SANU, A Brown (play 3)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.
They will be getting exposed Sunday night.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 12:49:16 PM
I suppose it could happen.

Even given the generally weak teams they've played, what's been extraordinary is the inability so far for teams to put drives together, and string 1st downs against the D.

The D has given up 3 TD this year, (3 TDs in 7 games!) and 2 came on 1) a missed tackle 65-yard run and 2) a tipped pass 64-yard TD catch and run.

Mayfield is the type of QB that has given them some trouble in the past, and I'm not predicting the Pats D can shut-out a team with as many offesive weapons as the Browns, but I suspect a Baker's dozen might be a reasonable estimate for this coming Sunday.

I like doughnuts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2019, 12:52:03 PM
Browns put it all together, 35 - 14. That is what Tuesday is for. Coping with reality is for Monday.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
Pats trade for Sanu, which should help.

Is  Sanu new on the Patriots?

I thought he was the governor of New Hampshire.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 01:25:04 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.

I think it's a mix of the two.

Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+

Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 01:30:36 PM
Browns put it all together, 35 - 14. That is what Tuesday is for. Coping with reality is for Monday.

14 points seems within the margin of error of a Baker's dozen.

I thought Tuesday was for tacos.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 01:39:02 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.

I think it's a mix of the two.

Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+

Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)

We're on the same page with that comparative analysis, and its hard to draw any other conclusion than they are a very good D.

But I am looking forward to the next several games (against some pretty good teams/better QBs) to see how the D perfoms.

I suspect they hold up pretty well.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 01:44:06 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 01:58:48 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.

And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.

But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 02:07:15 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Winovich was a WHIFF by quite a few GMs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 02:19:42 PM
I don't think he's a star yet.  A great college player.  And my daughter met him a few times.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 02:22:21 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.

And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.

But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.

Plenty of first/second rounders

What constitutes a star?

Was the Steelers Ernie Holmes or Mike Wagner a star?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
I don't think he's a star yet.  A great college player.  And my daughter met him a few times.
I worry about some of the choices your daughter makes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 02:25:02 PM
They were solid defense players who played on a great UNIT.  I don't think either one of those guys would have been thought of as great players on other teams. 

Gilmore and Hightower yes. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 06:07:11 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sam-darnold-ghost-comments-20191022-smuqfxeuwneufmz3kpoamyioc4-story.html

"Any of you ever hear voices while you're out working in the cornfields?"

"You hearing voices?"

"No, no. I'm just... uh... curious."

"Ray here says he's hearing voices."

"No..."

I think the Jets have bigger problems than Sam's seeing ghosts in the Pats defense, but certainly bigger than NFL Films' having shared it!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
KO pool

week 8

pretty sure I'm going with Vikes tonight at home vs the Washington Football Native Americans
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Thursday nighter


Minnesota. -15.5. Redskins. 42
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 01:18:23 PM
10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42       28-17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
NFL   full slate



10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42
10/27 1:00 ET Detroit         -7 Giants         49.5
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago         -4 Chargers 40
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta         50.5
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets         41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo         -1.5 Eagles      43
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48
10/27 4:25 ET Houston         -6.5 Raiders         51.5
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos         43.5
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns         46
10/27 8:20 ET Packers         -4.5 Kansas City 48
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43

bye -    Baltimore, Dallas
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2019, 08:17:45 PM
looking at Bills or 49ers week 7 KO pool

I generally keep these pools as simple as possible, but I may use 49ers in one pool and Bills in my other one

and then if I get both of them through, and get through week 8, then flip-flop and use 49ers and Bills in week 9.


and so shall it be done

1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
4-Chargers
5-Eagles
6-Patriots

7a-Bills
7b-49ers

8a/b-Vikings
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2019, 10:07:55 AM
Interesting and active personnel week at Fort Foxboro as Pats prepare for Browns.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
Why is it the Patriots TRADE so much, win so much - yet other teams do not attempt to improve their team through in season trades?

I have always thought NFL trading would eventually take off.  Still waiting (note:  nice to see Pittsburgh add the safety from Miami)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2019, 11:40:50 AM
BB is very opportunistic and active.

You can see it (and i've discussed this a gazillion times) how he searchs for and finds value in the draft. He's not always right, but I think he's of the mind if he has more lottery tickets than anyone else he's going to hit more often.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 07:49:36 AM
In rare position this week - 1st in fantasy league after 7 weeks

Today'slineup

Aaron Rodgers
Nick Chubb
Aaron Jones
Odell Beckham Jr
Allen Robinson
Audtin Hooper
Courtland Sutton
Chris Boswell
Pittsburgh defense

- Beckham a tough call, vs Pats - Golden Tate is the option, as is newly acquired Mohammed Sanu (Go, Rutgers!)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 07:58:18 AM
55-51 to start the week


10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42        28-17      W

10/27 1:00 ET Detroit         -7 Giants         49.5
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago         -4 Chargers 40
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta         50.5
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets         41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo         -1.5 Eagles      43
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48
10/27 4:25 ET Houston         -6.5 Raiders         51.5
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos         43.5
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns         46
10/27 8:20 ET Packers         -4.5 Kansas City 48
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43

bye -    Baltimore, Dallas
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 09:07:15 AM



10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42        28-17      W

10/27 1:00 ET Detroit         -7 Giants         49.5      24-21
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5       24-21
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago         -4 Chargers 40          21-16
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta         50.5      31-21
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets         41.5      23-16
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo         -1.5 Eagles      43        19-21
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5      31-17
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48        28-17
10/27 4:25 ET Houston   -6.5 Raiders         51.5       30-24
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5      24-14
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos         43.5     24-17
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns         46      34-17
10/27 8:20 ET Packers         -4.5 Kansas City 48      27-20
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43      30-10

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 05:13:35 PM
that may have been one of the stranger quarters I've seen in awhile.

Thank you Browns
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 05:40:59 PM
Pats wont cover

Gotta spoil my party
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 05:47:01 PM
Help wahnn-ed - kikk-ah.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
Help wahnn-ed - kikk-ah.

Carli Lloyd time!


IF they ever get their O-line fixed (big if) the kicker is small taters.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Pats wont cover

Gotta spoil my party


Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 08:10:05 PM
12-1
10-2 spread

- and I am not sure I won one over/under

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
I suppose it could happen.

Even given the generally weak teams they've played, what's been extraordinary is the inability so far for teams to put drives together, and string 1st downs against the D.

The D has given up 3 TD this year, (3 TDs in 7 games!) and 2 came on 1) a missed tackle 65-yard run and 2) a tipped pass 64-yard TD catch and run.

Mayfield is the type of QB that has given them some trouble in the past, and I'm not predicting the Pats D can shut-out a team with as many offesive weapons as the Browns, but I suspect a Baker's dozen might be a reasonable estimate for this coming Sunday.

I like doughnuts.

Bakers dozen

nailed it.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
Pats wont cover

Gotta spoil my party


Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.

In game the spread would have changed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 09:39:40 PM
 Yeah, it appears Tate and Jamaal Williams was the proper play today, over Beckham and Chubb

5 points greater thus far
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 27, 2019, 10:08:08 PM
In 2016, the Patriots had 3 quarterbacks.

In 2019, those quarterbacks are a combined 20-2.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
Pats wont cover

Gotta spoil my party


Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.

In game the spread would have changed

The point was you were wrong.

Something you can never admit to.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2019, 10:19:39 PM
In 2016, the Patriots had 3 quarterbacks.

In 2019, those quarterbacks are a combined 20-2.

Way too early for crazy speculation, but what if,

nah, too crazy, never happen.

and I'm not going to KoD it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 10:38:21 PM
Pats wont cover

Gotta spoil my party


Stay away from in-game betting and drinking.

In game the spread would have changed

The point was you were wrong.



Happily
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2019, 11:43:56 PM
I sweated that one out. I was positive Flipper was going to piss away a 14.5 spread and being up 28.5-0.

And they almost did.

Fitzmagic.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 29, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
Not that anyone cares, or should care, about my fantasy team,  but three weeks ago I lose.to kiid by one point. Last.week, I tied. This week, I lose again by one point. Fuck.

Had to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
Had to settle for 14-1, 11-3 spread

66-54 overall
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
Picked the wrong time to stop picking win parlays - heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2019, 07:56:26 PM
Week NINE


 
Week Nine NFL Line 10/31 - 11/4, 2019

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/31 8:20 ET 49ers -9.5 Arizona 44     28-17
11/3 9:30 ET Texans -2.5 Jacksonville (At London) 47
11/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -10 Redskins 36.5
11/3 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Titans 41
11/3 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5 Bears 43.5
11/3 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Kansas City 48
11/3 1:00 ET Jets -5 Miami 41
11/3 1:00 ET Colts -1 Pittsburgh 43.5
11/3 4:05 ET Oakland -2 Lions 50.5
11/3 4:05 ET Seattle -6.5 Buccaneers 52.5
11/3 4:25 ET Browns -2 Denver 40
11/3 4:25 ET Packers -3 LA Chargers 46
11/3 8:20 ET Patriots -3.5 Baltimore 44.5
11/4 8:15 ET Cowboys -7 NY Giants
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
KO pool week 9

using 49ers tonight in one pool and probably Bills Sunday in my other one
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
Niners D lets me down in the end.   88 yards?  Good Lord.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 02, 2019, 11:30:17 PM


10/31 8:20 ET 49ers -9.5 Arizona 44     28-17        L


11/3 9:30 ET Texans -2.5 Jacksonville (At London) 47      21-24
11/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -10 Redskins 36.5          21-10
11/3 1:00 ET Carolina -3.5 Titans 41               20-17
11/3 1:00 ET Philadelphia -5 Bears 43.5         27-19
11/3 1:00 ET Vikings -1 Kansas City 48          24-27   
11/3 1:00 ET Jets -5 Miami 41                       23-17
11/3 1:00 ET Colts -1 Pittsburgh 43.5             20-23
11/3 4:05 ET Oakland -2 Lions 50.5                27-24
11/3 4:05 ET Seattle -6.5 Buccaneers 52.5     31-27
11/3 4:25 ET Browns -2 Denver 40                 24-20
11/3 4:25 ET Packers -3 LA Chargers 46         27-21
11/3 8:20 ET Patriots -3.5 Baltimore 44.5       21-22
11/4 8:15 ET Cowboys -7 NY Giants  48           31-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 04:11:43 PM
6-2, 4-4 spread

Steelers are alive!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
8-4, 6-6

Damn, Brownies!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
6-5-1 ATS going into tonight, with a couple of nasty beats

Going Pats - 3 1/2 tonight mostly becasue I don't pick against Pats.

Pats O-line...

broken record

broken O-line

Should be a D-cent test for the D

and D, D-livers

Pats 24

Ravens 17

GO PATS

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 08:25:08 PM
I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?

Should be a good one tonight

To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....

Hoooooot
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 03, 2019, 08:35:15 PM
Looks like it could be a long night for the Pats D.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 08:41:21 PM
I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?

Should be a good one tonight

To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....

Hoooooot

Yup on Seahawks

could have used that XP in OT
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 08:42:44 PM
Looks like it could be a long night for the Pats D.

and a short night for the Pats O.

Ravens look like a rested team off the bye with a lot of shit planned for tonight
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 08:45:00 PM
I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?

Should be a good one tonight

To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....

Hoooooot

Yup on Seahawks

could have used that XP in OT

heh

You lucked out that Myers yakked the 40-yarder in reg

Jameis got me the W with late TD drive in 4th,, which frankly surprised me
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
I guess u had Bucs-Seahawks at 6. not 6.5?

Should be a good one tonight

To think - Rudolph Steelers may be a game out....

Hoooooot

Yup on Seahawks

could have used that XP in OT

heh

You lucked out that Myers yakked the 40-yarder in reg

Jameis got me the W with late TD drive in 4th,, which frankly surprised me

and I was unlucky that TB scored a TD at the buzzer to get into OT.

As I've been telling you for years, full-slate ATS is a coin-flip
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
Pata got punched in the mouth but punched back.

all things considered down 4 ain't bad
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
this has been a pretty entertaining game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2019, 11:18:37 PM
they got their butt kicked and balloon popped tonight.

hopefully it will be a teaching moment
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
Looks like the Patriots cake schedule, leading to home field, will be key for playoffs

I'd like to see that one run back on the same field.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
Francessa:  "What running back makes a difference for his team?  Answer - none."

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 06:26:25 PM
Christian McCaffrey?  Dalvin Cook?  Ezekiel Elliott?  Josh Jacobs for the 4-4 Raiders?  Chris Carson?  Aaron Jones and his 11 TD?

Nope.  Guess not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 06, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Jets.  Giants.  Who you got?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 06, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Giants to win and cover.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2019, 05:51:13 PM
Brutal road game for G-men 

Shurmer lost his EZ Pass and will be fishing for spare change for tolls

But Gase is running the Jets on empty

G-Men cover and wins the Hoffa Bowl as -2 1/2 pt road favorite
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 06, 2019, 05:59:00 PM
Thursday nighter


11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2019, 06:14:20 PM
KO pools week 10

I'm probably going Indy this week, and if succesful, probably NO at Tampa next week.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2019, 05:52:17 PM
74-60 for year, running hot


11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5      24-21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
Rolled the dice, picked up MIKE WILLIAMS for tonight and will sit Beckham, Tate or Robinson
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
Raiders will win this.  Not a fan of Jonny Lynn.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2019, 11:32:00 PM
Good win.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:01:34 AM
Week Ten 2019



Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total



11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5    24-20      L
11/10 1:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tennessee 48.5
11/10 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Bills 40
11/10 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -4.5 Cardinals 52
11/10 1:00 ET Giants -2 NY Jets 43
11/10 1:00 ET New Orleans -12.5 Falcons 51.5
11/10 1:00 ET Ravens -10 Cincinnati 46
11/10 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 42.5
11/10 4:05 ET Indianapolis -10.5 Dolphins 44.5
11/10 4:25 ET Rams -3.5 Pittsburgh 45
11/10 4:25 ET Green Bay -5 Panthers 48
11/10 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Vikings 47
11/11 8:15 ET San Francisco -6 Seahawks 4
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:57:18 PM
74-61


11/7 8:20 ET Chargers -1 Oakland 47.5    24-20      L
11/10 1:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tennessee 48.5     28-24
11/10 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Bills 40      17-20
11/10 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -4.5 Cardinals 52     30-27
11/10 1:00 ET Giants -2 NY Jets 43    19-16
11/10 1:00 ET New Orleans -12.5 Falcons 51.5     35-20
11/10 1:00 ET Ravens -10 Cincinnati 46     28-17
11/10 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 42.5      23-16
11/10 4:05 ET Indianapolis -10.5 Dolphins 44.5    24-17
11/10 4:25 ET Rams -3.5 Pittsburgh 45     20-22
11/10 4:25 ET Green Bay -5 Panthers 48     27-24
11/10 8:20 ET Dallas -3 Vikings 47     30-23
11/11 8:15 ET San Francisco -6 Seahawks 46    24-20

6 dogs, 2 dogs to win (after OAK),  5 overs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 01:35:07 PM
And right away Jets-Giants looks like it's going OVER.

One of these days I will do my O/U numbers.  Has to be between 40 and 45% - ouch.
Title: Darius Slayton
Post by: Kam on November 10, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
Odell who?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 06:18:46 PM
"Running backs don't matter"

- M Francessa

(as Aaron Jones scoots for his third score of the game)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 07:58:18 PM
Here come the Steelers!

Hoooooot!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 10, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
Here come the Steelers!

Hoooooot!

But where did the Rams go? Or the Chiefs, for that matter!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2019, 08:11:34 PM
or the COLTS!

KOed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 10, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
or the COLTS!

KOed

The Colts at least had the excuse of loss of QB.

Mahomes? Goff? Not so much.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 09:14:51 PM
WTF are you babbling about?

Colts were -10.5.  KC and LA - not so much

Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 09:18:46 PM
My close calls were Carolina (Miss by half yard), Buffalo (choke FG) and of course KC (late TD allowed).

5-4-1 day
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
WTF are you babbling about?

Colts were -10.5.  KC and LA - not so much

Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end

Thanks.

When Saints lost to the Falcons, I was 1 of 5 and 1 of 7 left in my 2 pools and with some nice names left to work with.

chickens/hatch/didn't

Next year
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 10, 2019, 10:11:10 PM
WTF are you babbling about?

Colts were -10.5.  KC and LA - not so much

Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end

Two days ago, Brissett was still a gametime decision. The numbers did not have time to change. Had he been out the whole week, it would not have been -10.5.

And had he played, they'd have won.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2019, 11:03:56 PM
WTF are you babbling about?

Colts were -10.5.  KC and LA - not so much

Bank - nice run - thought you had it in the end

Two days ago, Brissett was still a gametime decision. The numbers did not have time to change. Had he been out the whole week, it would not have been -10.5.

And had he played, they'd have won.

lines can change very quickly on news. The market is pretty efficient.

The line didn't move much this week (pretty much 10 1/2-11) as I think the market expected Hoyer to play. 

I tried to "have my cake and eat it too".

I had the Colts in my KO pool to win, and Miami +10 1/2 in my ATS pool.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 08:34:08 AM
Jeez - WTF happened in Dallas?

All those yards - did they get close in the end?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 11, 2019, 11:47:21 PM
maybe the 2nd worst pick in Wilson's career
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
but he makes up for it

great game

pop the cork Shula
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 08:25:26 AM
Thursday night clash


11/14 8:20 ET at Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Thursday night clash


11/14 8:20 ET at Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40

(80-66 record)


Pittsburgh 24  Cleveland 19
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 05:07:39 PM
Going Robinson-Sutton-Sanu this week

Leaving Odell on the bench.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2019, 11:43:00 PM
HOLEE FUCK

Garrett is gone for a long time

I don;t think Ive ever seen that before.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2019, 11:47:37 PM
That overhand smash should cost Garrett several million dollars.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 15, 2019, 12:34:28 AM
HOLEE FUCK

Garrett is gone for a long time

I don;t think Ive ever seen that before.

How do they even let him back in?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 15, 2019, 07:34:08 AM
I don't know what you were seeing. I saw Garrett pick up Rudolph's helmet and try to hand it back to him, only to have two Steelers jump him, punch him throw him to the ground and start kicking him in the head. I call on the Cuyahoga County prosecutor to file charges against Pouncey for assault. I also think we need to out the whistleblower who started the whole thing. I think he is a Never-Bakerer with an anti-Browns bias.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 15, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Good game, Whisk.  Good to see life in the Brownies.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2019, 10:10:21 AM
I also think we need to out the whistleblower who started the whole thing. I think he is a Never-Bakerer with an anti-Browns bias.

Clete Blakeman has served both the AFC and NFC honorably with no discernible evidence of favoritism, He has blown the whistle as best and as hoestly as possible.

He is neither anti-Brown, nor anti-Steeler.

He is a true Patriot!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 15, 2019, 03:22:17 PM
Garrett suspended for at least the rest of the year "including the playoffs." Cue the Jim Mora memes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
Tough break on the play-off kicker.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on November 15, 2019, 07:55:58 PM
Rudolph kicked Garrett in the nuts when they were on the ground, then reached for Garretts helmet.
But no suspension?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 15, 2019, 08:53:24 PM
I assume a fine. Which is what Garrett gets right up until the moment he tries to hand.Rudolph his helmet back.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: barton on November 16, 2019, 01:04:11 PM
I'm in unfamiliar territory when I step out of the politics forae, but here goes....


Quote
Athletes who read books can be violent, too, you know. As we try to make sense of Myles Garrett’s harrowing display of rage Thursday night, let’s rip off that bit of naivete and prejudice. Learned people can be as vicious as anyone.

Garrett, a Cleveland Browns defensive end, isn’t the anti-football player because he can talk astrophysics and recite poetry, because he aspires to be a paleontologist. Most of the shock that he could lose his mind starts there: How can such a soft-spoken and bright dude swing a helmet and assault a quarterback? Why would Garrett, of all athletes, act in such a visceral and frightening manner?   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nfl/why-did-myles-garrett-snap-he-might-be-able-to-find-the-answer-himself/2019/11/15/632a3be0-07db-11ea-818c-fcc65139e8c2_story.html

Clearly, I need to watch the footage.   Seems to be multiple interpretations of who the principal aggressor was.  And whether it's handing or whacking.   My daughter, her first boyfriend whacked her with a football helmet,  and swiftly passed into boyfriend history.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2019, 07:29:50 AM
Week ELEVEN

11/14 8:20 ET Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40
11/17 1:00 ET Cowboys -4.5 Detroit 49
11/17 1:00 ET Saints -5.5 Tampa Bay 50.5
11/17 1:00 ET Carolina -6 Falcons 50.5
11/17 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3 Jaguars 44
11/17 1:00 ET Minnesota -10.5 Broncos 39.5
11/17 1:00 ET Washington -1 Jets 38.5
11/17 1:00 ET Bills -5.5 Miami 40
11/17 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Texans 50
11/17 4:05 ET San Francisco -11.5 Cardinals 46
11/17 4:25 ET Patriots -3.5 Philadelphia 44.5
11/17 4:25 ET Oakland -10.5 Bengals 48.5
11/17 8:20 ET LA Rams -6.5 Bears 41.5
11/18 8:15 ET Chiefs -3.5 LA Chargers (Mexico City) 52.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2019, 10:03:22 AM

Week ELEVEN

11/14 8:20 ET Cleveland -2.5 Steelers 40    19-24    L
11/17 1:00 ET Cowboys -4.5 Detroit 49           27-21
11/17 1:00 ET Saints -5.5 Tampa Bay 50.5      28-24
11/17 1:00 ET Carolina -6 Falcons 50.5          28-24
11/17 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3 Jaguars 44       21-17
11/17 1:00 ET Minnesota -10.5 Broncos 39.5   27-14
11/17 1:00 ET Washington -1  Jets       20-17
11/17 1:00 ET Bills -5.5 Miami 40         24-17
11/17 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Texans 50    27-21
11/17 4:05 ET San Francisco -11.5 Cardinals 46    27-17
11/17 4:25 ET Patriots -3.5 Philadelphia 44.5       30-21
11/17 4:25 ET Oakland -10.5 Bengals 48.5      31-21
11/17 8:20 ET LA Rams -6.5 Bears 41.5     24-17
11/18 8:15 ET Chiefs -3.5 LA Chargers (Mexico City) 52.5     30-27
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2019, 02:23:56 PM
Kaeperdick -with a capital D

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/us/nfl-colin-kaepernick-workout/index.html
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
5-3 early games

85-70
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 18, 2019, 09:02:35 PM
The field tonight is awful.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 20, 2019, 09:44:32 PM
NFL Week 12


11/21 8:20 ET Houston -4 Colts 45.5
11/24 1:00 ET Cleveland -10.5 Dolphins 44
11/24 1:00 ET Buffalo -4 Broncos 37
11/24 1:00 ET Steelers -6.5 Cincinnati 39
11/24 1:00 ET Chicago -6 Giants 40.5
11/24 1:00 ET Raiders -3 NY Jets 46.5
11/24 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Panthers 47
11/24 1:00 ET Atlanta -4.5 Buccaneers 51.5
11/24 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Washington 42
11/24 1:00 ET Philadelphia -1.5 Seahawks 48
11/24 4:05 ET Tennessee -3 Jaguars 41.5
11/24 4:25 ET New England -6.5 Cowboys 46
11/24 8:20 ET San Francisco -3 Packers 46.5
11/25 8:15 ET Ravens -3 LA Rams 46.5


Week 12 Byes: Arizona, Kansas City, LA Chargers, Minnesota
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 21, 2019, 05:56:15 PM
Houston 24  Colts 21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 24, 2019, 10:52:22 AM

NFL Week 12

(90-71)


11/21 8:20 ET Houston -4 Colts 45.5      24-21       W
11/24 1:00 ET Cleveland -10.5 Dolphins 44      27-13
11/24 1:00 ET Buffalo -4 Broncos 37       20-14   
11/24 1:00 ET Steelers -6.5 Cincinnati 39       24-14
11/24 1:00 ET Chicago -6 Giants 40.5     24-17
11/24 1:00 ET Raiders -3 NY Jets 46.5     28-24
11/24 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Panthers 47    34-21
11/24 1:00 ET Atlanta -4.5 Buccaneers 51.5   30-24
11/24 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Washington 42     23-17
11/24 1:00 ET Philadelphia -1.5 Seahawks 48    24-21
11/24 4:05 ET Tennessee -3 Jaguars 41.5     17-20
11/24 4:25 ET New England -6.5 Cowboys 46    24-20
11/24 8:20 ET San Francisco -3 Packers 46.5     24-27
11/25 8:15 ET Ravens -3 LA Rams 46.5     24-17

Byes: Arizona, Kansas City, LA Chargers, Minnesota
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 25, 2019, 11:09:23 PM
Squeezed out a 5-9

94-80 overall

2 tough ones yesterday - Steelers, Bears
1 I changed late - Falcons. 
1 went south late - Saints
5 of them  I just got totally fucking wrong - Pack, Raiders, Jags, Lions, Eagles

Happy to get Ravens - although a loss would have given Pitt a chance if they ran the table (still alive for WC)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 27, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
Week THIRTEEN



Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

11/28 12:30 ET Bears -2.5 Detroit 39     20-17
11/28 4:30 ET Dallas -7 Bills 45          27-19
11/28 8:20 ET Saints -7 Atlanta 49      35-20


12/1 1:00 ET Packers -6.5 NY Giants 45.5
12/1 1:00 ET Carolina -10 Redskins 40
12/1 1:00 ET Baltimore -6 49ers 46
12/1 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Titans 43.5
12/1 1:00 ET Eagles -9 Miami 45.5
12/1 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 Buccaneers 49
12/1 1:00 ET Jets -3.5 Cincinnati 41
12/1 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 46.5
12/1 4:25 ET Kansas City -9.5 Raiders 51.5
12/1 4:25 ET Chargers -2.5 Denver 38.5
12/1 4:25 ET Browns -2 Pittsburgh 39.5
12/1 8:20 ET Patriots -3 Houston 44.5

12/2 8:15 ET Seattle -3 Vikings 49


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 30, 2019, 01:56:27 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/us/nfl-player-suspended-betting-on-games-trnd/index.html

He can apply to be reinstated in February, 2021!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 30, 2019, 02:25:23 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/us/nfl-player-suspended-betting-on-games-trnd/index.html

He can apply to be reinstated in February, 2021!
I bet he does just that
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 30, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
Nobody will touch him
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 01, 2019, 12:14:55 AM
Nobody will touch him

After all, it's not like he did something like beat up a woman.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 11:36:05 AM
Week THIRTEEN

(Back to 15 games over - 96-81)

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

11/28 12:30 ET Bears -2.5 Detroit 39     20-17       W
11/28 4:30 ET Dallas -7 Bills 45          27-19         L
11/28 8:20 ET Saints -7 Atlanta 49      35-20        W


12/1 1:00 ET Packers -6.5 NY Giants 45.5       27-20
12/1 1:00 ET Carolina -10 Redskins 40         24-13
12/1 1:00 ET Baltimore -6 49ers 46         23-20
12/1 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Titans 43.5          17-21
12/1 1:00 ET Eagles -9 Miami 45.5          27-17
12/1 1:00 ET Jacksonville -1 Buccaneers 49         27-24
12/1 1:00 ET Jets -3.5 Cincinnati 41       20-17
12/1 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 46.5          27-21
12/1 4:25 ET Kansas City -9.5 Raiders 51.5      31-20
12/1 4:25 ET Chargers -2.5 Denver 38.5       19-22
12/1 4:25 ET Browns -2 Pittsburgh 39.5       16-22
12/1 8:20 ET Patriots -3 Houston 44.5          24-27

12/2 8:15 ET Seattle -3 Vikings 49         28-24
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
And in the media capital of the free-world we get the choice at 1pm of Jets at Bengals or NY Football Giants hosting GB.

Those are some compelling/must see TV games.

JFC

I gotta find a good stream for Ravens-9ers

or move

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 12:42:17 PM
I actually think both will be good games

Prefer Steelers of course.  May have to go somewhere and check that out.

Who is officially out for Pats?  I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 12:46:03 PM
Big fantasy decision this week was on ERTZ.  He is playing but hamstrings can be finicky, so I went with LAR's Higbie.

Benched Beckham again, this time for KC's Darrel Williams.

Took Boswell back for Folk.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
Rodgers
A Robinson - 22 points
D J Moore
Chubb
A Jones
Higbie
Dar Williams
Boswell
Pittsburgh D

vs

Foles
M Thomas -   10
Watkins
Elliott -     20
Ingram
Andrews - TE
D Hnery
Slye
Cleveland
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
I actually think both will be good games

Prefer Steelers of course.  May have to go somewhere and check that out.

Who is officially out for Pats?  I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.

Ravens-49ers was a pretty good game, I had 49ers and points.

I expected a Jets win today, and a build on recent momentum, Didn't watch much of the game, just the score. Had the Packers too, but I was mostly into the Ravens-49ers game.

Not touching Pats tonight about 15+ guys were hit with the flu, so could be a mixed performance.

Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.

Assuming the infirm return to active duty, I'd see a low scoring game,

lets go with

Pats 23

Houston 16
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 06:04:29 PM
Ravens-49ers was a pretty good game, I had 49ers and points.


Me too - but I had the BALTIMORE win.

5-3 early games

7-4 week

Winning the 3 late games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.


Hmmmm

Not even a tad less accurate, a smidge less mobile?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Pats aren't a points machine anymore and it has little to do with Brady.


Hmmmm

Not even a tad less accurate, a smidge less mobile?

As I've posted almost all year, most of the Pat's problems come from injuries to O-line personnel.

And as posted as early as pre-season, the Pats D was going to be their strength this year.

Add in the loss of Devlin (blocking FB) and retirement and injury to TEs  and they have done a piss poor job run grading, there are very few holes to run through and a porous barrier in providing Brady pass protection.

Brady's never been mobile. He is getting older though.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 07:07:44 PM
The eye test tells you his year has been as usual?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
The eye test tells you his year has been as usual?

To my eye Brady's game has gradually weakened for the last 3-4 years, but he remains one of the better QBs in the game, due to his head not arm. This year he is throwing away the ball rather than take sacks as his protection has sucked and he's had no running game. A lot of the offense falls to him and his OC and a several inexperienced receivers. The offense right now is patchwork

I'm hoping the return of Wynn strengthens the O-line and 1) helps protection and 2) the running game.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 07:23:55 PM
Denver allows clock to run from :45 to :15, with timeouts.

LAC tie the game and Broncs have no time to win it

Oy.  Coaching.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 07:27:48 PM
Never mind.  Chargers dumbed it back.

Victory!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 07:41:25 PM
Sanu (ankle) Dorsett (concussion) both goes for tonight.

That should help the (r)aging TB12,

LB corp hit hard by flu.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 08:04:15 PM
I can root for Brady tonight.  A WHATEVER game at 10-4.  Good day either way

Go, Pats!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 08:23:19 PM
On Pats OL

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-land-center-in-trade-with-bills-their-third-deal-for-an-offensive-lineman-this-week/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 08:39:16 PM
heh

you're only about 3 months late

old news
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 09:10:15 PM
Was a sumup.  Wasnt breaking any news

Pats created their own OL problems.  But you can blame injuries if you like.

Tom badly rushed/missed the end zone receiver prior to first fg
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 09:11:39 PM
4 for 11 with a pick?

Ouch.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
Was a sumup.  Wasnt breaking any news

Pats created their own OL problems.  But you can blame injuries if you like.



Who did you think you were summing up for with a 3-month old article?

heh

An btw moron the guy the article was about never made it out of Pat's camp.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
28.8 qb rate
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
heh

Brady's legacy tarnished 4-ever.

kid your hot takz are sizzlin'
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Bank gets whiney when hero guy looks old.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
New England AT Baltimore

I like the sound of that

First Pats need to shed Pittsburgh -or Buffalo
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
Bank gets whiney when hero guy looks old.

As I recall you posted you liked the Pats for your expectation of a Brady offensive explosion.

And I told you I was away from this game for reasons I stated, that even you may have noticed.

Maybe not, you're pretty clueless.

I'm just making fun of your non-stop idiotic hot takz.

btw how did Tatum look today?

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
Come on, 12 - wake up - I need the over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 10:47:53 PM
Hoodie outsmarts himself
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 10:50:49 PM
As I recall you posted you liked the Pats for your expectation of a Brady offensive explosion.


heh

Yep

Liked the Pats and  picked the upset

Gotcha
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
btw how did Tatum look today?


Fit.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 10:58:25 PM
Need a td here.....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 10:59:46 PM
btw how did Tatum look today?


Fit.

He looked like Fultz?

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:01:09 PM
B O'B emptying the playbook on his old coach.

He's making his play to get into the top 10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 11:01:33 PM
Still need 2 more scores since Fartbreath missed the xp.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 11:14:32 PM
Brady in danger of under 60% passing for year.

Has never happened.

No danger of falling behind Eli for career though
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:28:08 PM
heh

and kid's hot takz just keep on dribbling out of his diaper.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:32:38 PM
there you go kid

Brady gives you your over
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:34:25 PM
SO CLOSE!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2019, 11:38:49 PM
Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.


Good night, nurse.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:42:45 PM
Who is officially out for Pats? I have the upset there but high scoring as Brady gets well statistically.


Good night, nurse.

Yet you were ragging on Brady's poor passing night?

Poor kid you are so fucking dumb, you don't know what you don't know.

And you never will.

Sweet dreams moron

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
I can root for Brady tonight.  A WHATEVER game at 10-4.  Good day either way

Go, Pats!

A good CYA-have it both way position.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
Sounds like Eli might saddle up one more time and start in Philly as Danny 6th pick has a moderate high ankle sprain.

Opie's 116-116 W/L record may be put in jeopardy, as Eagles are currently -9 1/2.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 04, 2019, 10:18:00 PM
Thursday nighter


12/5 8:20 ET Cowboys -3 Chicago 42.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 05, 2019, 03:13:43 PM
Cowboys 23   Chicago 19
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 05, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
Cowboys 23   Chicago 19

Looks like the Cowboys will not be covering tonight.

Or winning.

And you missed on the over/under, too.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 05, 2019, 11:27:44 PM
Yeah....

Bears played real well.

Embarrassed by my 106-85 record vs the spread.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 05, 2019, 11:32:29 PM
Almost went 24-20

Would have had the over plus exact Dallas points.

Not so great an o/u year, as I have said.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

12/5 8:20 ET Cowboys -3 Chicago 42.5    23-19     L

12/8 1:00 ET Ravens -5.5 Buffalo 43.5     27-19
2/8 1:00 ET Green Bay -13 Redskins 42    28-17
12/8 1:00 ET Houston -9.5 Broncos 41.5    24-14
12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44     21-24
12/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -8.5 Bengals 41     35-24
12/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Panthers 48      24-27
12/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -14 Lions 42.5     31-14
12/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -5.5 Dolphins 44       23-20
12/8 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -3 Colts 47.5       27-21


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 01:09:10 PM

late games

12/8 4:05 ET Chargers -3 Jacksonville 43      27-20
12/8 4:25 ET New England -3 Chiefs 48.5      24-27
12/8 4:25 ET Steelers -2.5 Arizona 43.5        27-21
12/8 4:25 ET Titans -2.5 Oakland 47.5         24-27
12/8 8:20 ET Seahawks -2.5 LA Rams 46.5      27-24

12/9 8:15 ET Philadelphia -8.5 Giants 47        26-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 01:12:38 PM
Liking that last six game parlay using moneyline.  Lets see if it comes in
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 08, 2019, 02:29:38 PM

12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44     21-24

They beat the over - and both your scores - by halftime!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
 :Wow. Tough slate. Only one I feel I yakked was Carolina.  Tough spread loss with Browns
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 05:11:30 PM

12/8 1:00 ET New Orleans -3 49ers 44     21-24

They beat the over - and both your scores - by halftime!

Wild one

Perfect game.  Win.  Spread win.  Over/under win
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
:Wow. Tough slate. Only one I feel I yakked was Carolina.  Tough spread loss with Browns

Just saw GB not covering late. Ouch

Late games.  Jacobs injury could bite my Raiders pick

4-4-1 early. 7-2 on winners

C'mon, Chiefs!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 06:08:07 PM
All over America fathers are telling their kids, Santa delivered your "dear Santa can the Pats suck this year" present.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 07:09:01 PM
And as a stocking stuffers here's some egregiously bad fuck-you Pats calls from the refs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 07:59:26 PM
Can't burn that challenge too early Billy. Boy
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 08:00:51 PM
10-4 overall. 7-6 spread

Meh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 08, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
Can't burn that challenge too early Billy. Boy


But that isn't going to stop the premature whistle earlier - the challenge flag gets the fumble called, but it doesn't score the touchdown, leaving the Patriots with 4 fewer points and meaning that the botched interference call would not have changed the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 08:15:40 PM
The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.

I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on December 08, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
The refs cost New England 14 points. Take away the field goal and that's a four point lead. BLOWJOB!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 08, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.

I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence we benefit, even having been gifted titles, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.

Fixed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
The thing was the challenge of the 1st down spot was a good challenge that was somehow upheld as called by NY review. And it was shown definitively to be a bad spot.

I rarely complain about refs, as usually the Pats can play through the incompetence we benefit, even having been gifted titles, but the Pats got serially fucked all 2nd half and are no longer that good to play winning football against a good team while getting fucked at the same time.

Fixed

heh

Great hot take kid.

The Patriots, arguably the greatest dynasty in NFL history and clearly the most dominant teams for the past 20 years, and you come up with they were gifted their victories.

Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.

Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 09:45:58 PM
poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on December 09, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
It's like he's channeling hammy😄
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 08:23:54 AM
Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.

Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you


Please - behave.

QB12 is old.  Deal with it.

And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
poor kid he shits himself and he takes great pride in what he's done.
It's like he's channeling hammy😄

Nah - I like the Sox.

Havent judged their strength for 2020 yet but always a fan,if not of certain personnel (Cora, Farrell)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.

Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you


Please - behave.

QB12 is old.  Deal with it.

And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.

Your hot take that I thought was straight from your ass and filtered by only your dirty diaper and responded to was the idiocy of Pats being gifted their greatness.

You made no point re Brady's age, but yes he is 42. I am surprised you  can count that high.

Your mommy must be proud.

Maybe she can teach you to wipe yourself.

And I respect Opie, always have, I just do not think he a HoF QB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
And I respect Opie,

I suppose one who was sensitive could see a contradiction in that phrase.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

https://sports.yahoo.com/more-officiating-madness-patriots-get-two-touchdowns-taken-away-on-terrible-calls-000714086.html

"Clearly punched out before Lelce was down"

Heh - nope.

On replay,maybe.  Not clearf in real time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
And I respect Opie,

I suppose one who was sensitive could see a contradiction in that phrase.

If Eli's looks and gee-whiz aw shucks demeanor doesn't remind everyone of a certain age of Andy of Mayberry's adorable small-town southern son I don't know what to tell you other than on WFAN's morning show Boomer (Carton and now Gio) run the Andy of Mayberry theme song whenever they play an Eli/Ope sound bite, and have for almost as long as I've been calling him Opie. 

Everyone loves Opie.

It may be the mildest tweak  I've constructed as I like Opie/Eli.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
kid's now poorly refuting in his latest leaky undie hot take, what everyone saw last night in CBS's game of the week, a massive officiating clusterfuck.

That game may have been the worst officiated game I've seen since the refs strike.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:25:45 AM
Maybe.  But they put in new rules to allow coaches to benefit from replay.  And Hoodie screwed to pooch nevertheless.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:28:23 AM
Awesome steaming hot take straight from your diaper.

Now if you have the capacity ask mommy or your in-home aide to wipe you


Please - behave.

QB12 is old.  Deal with it.

And dont fprget to watch Eli tonight, with RESPECT.

Your hot take that I thought was straight from your ass and filtered by only your dirty diaper and responded to was the idiocy of Pats being gifted their greatness.

You made no point re Brady's age, but yes he is 42. I am surprised you  can count that high.

Your mommy must be proud.

Maybe she can teach you to wipe yourself.

And I respect Opie, always have, I just do not think he a HoF QB.

I wont take this to Hamilton vs Bank levels - sorry you miss that typoe back and forth so much

But I will point out that your dicsussion of diapers and poo make you look like a 2-year old on a pro football forum.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:30:15 AM
I think a more mature - and more honest response from you would be -

"Why do you criticize Tom and Bill?  They are historically great - and it really gets me upset."

THAT I could really respect.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
I think a more mature - and more honest response from you would be -

"Why do you criticize Tom and Bill?  They are historically great - and it really gets me upset."

THAT I could really respect.

Respect?

thats funny

I don't post here for your respect.

Its not worth anything.

And kid I think that you are incapable of honesty and real insight.

Now you are trying to change the subject from what was pretty much universally identified as a clusterfuck of a poorly reffed game to TB12 and BB.

Which is fine you have proven time and time again you are incapable of supporting your idiotic hot takz when pushed to do so.

And no one is above criticism, but if you don't like BB and TB12, and their two decade run of unparalleled excellence, that's fine, as it doesn't phase me at all what a moron thinks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 11:56:47 AM
Joe Beningo on WFAN (just now) as a caller talks about the bad calls in Pats Chiefs game.

"No one has sympathy for the Pats but they got hosed"

And Beningo hates the Pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 12:56:43 PM
I wont take this to Hamilton vs Bank levels - sorry you miss that typoe back and forth so much

"Clearly punched out before Lelce was down"


On replay,maybe.  Not clearf in real time.


And these are just from his last few posts

I gotta give it to kid he is the master of unintentional comedy and blissful ignorance

 heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 02:48:23 PM
Joe Beningo on WFAN (just now) as a caller talks about the bad calls in Pats Chiefs game.

"No one has sympathy for the Pats but they got hosed"

And Beningo hates the Pats.

The kid was clearly in bounds

Never ever disputed or in doubt.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
At any time before the two-minute warning of each half or overtime period, the head coach of either team can signal a challenge by throwing a red flag onto the field. He's allowed only two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, he's given a third. He must issue his challenge before the next snap of the ball.



Not enough for BB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 09, 2019, 02:54:29 PM

On replay,maybe.  Not clearf in real time.

There's that GOP denialism, hard at work.

"Maybe."

Bullshit, troll.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 03:33:08 PM
At any time before the two-minute warning of each half or overtime period, the head coach of either team can signal a challenge by throwing a red flag onto the field. He's allowed only two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, he's given a third. He must issue his challenge before the next snap of the ball.



Not enough for BB

BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night

1-bad first 1st down spot (and in replay it was shown to be a bad spot by  1 1/2 yards) but inexplicably the bad spot was upheld. Romo was about speechless

2-the Kelce fumble

3-the Harry OOB/TD 2 ref conspiracy

4-No DPI on an obvious DPI on Dorsett.

The Boger crew was terrible

as already posted it may have been the worst NFL reffed game I've seen in a very long time.

It was NBA bad.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 03:41:33 PM
The Ravens are clearly superior to the Patriots by any meaningful measure. The Chiefs sure looked like the better team Sunday. The Texans looked like the better team eight days ago, which should be worrisome for the Patriots faithful, because the Titans look like a better team than the Texans.

As for Brady: It's time to move past the point of politely ignoring his declining skills or pretending the problem lies exclusively with his receiving corps or offensive line.





https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865946-gridiron-digest-how-far-have-tom-brady-and-the-patriots-fallen?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 04:09:09 PM
as already posted it may have been the worst NFL reffed game I've seen in a very long time.


I dont watch the NFL games, generally

But I think the NBA refs have been quite good this season.  Nice to see some new faces.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night


No.  He can't

That's the point.

BB knows the rules going in.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-patriots-safety-rodney-harrison-wonders-about-tom-brady-hes-just-not-the-same-player-164939029.html
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
BB could have used at least 4 challenges last night


No.  He can't

That's the point.

BB knows the rules going in.

You missed my point moron.

The refs were so bad that even if BB had been successful on his 2 challenges he would not have had enough challenges to challenge all the bad calls in the 2nd half.

And BB was right on the 1st down challenge it was a bad spot by a 1 1/2 yards and gave the Chiefs an unearned 1st down. They were short at their own 38 1/2.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
I don't think the Patriots are blaming the officials,  They know it was still their game to win as well as their defense played after the break.

It's the press and fans whose hair is on fire
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
Brady is clearly not the same guy, IMO he's fallen off over the past 3-4 years. And I've posted that. But IMO its a little premature to bury the guy, what he lacks in arm strengrh he makes up in experience, leadership and knowledge.

But he's the leader of a struggling offense so he's the easy target and its not as glamorous or quote worthy to slam the O-line or blocking schemes or rookie wide receivers. 

He may surprise his hot take click baiters and critics one more time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 04:27:54 PM
I don't think the Patriots are blaming the officials,  They know it was still their game to win as well as their defense played after the break.

It's the press and fans whose hair is on fire

Patriots will get fined if they are critical of the refs. So they gave muted responses, but it was clear that they were pissed.

I know you didn't watch the game but that might have been the worst reffed NFL game I've seen in years. No other Pat game I can think of comes close to the # of egregiously bad calls that impacted that game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
He may surprise his hot take click baiters and critics one more time.


Not at all sure what that is - but of course Brady could get to, even win another SB.  So many variables.  And he has the best coach.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 09:11:45 PM
Eli

on the mark
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 09:18:09 PM
Pats GM responsible, I guess

https://sports.yahoo.com/spy-gate-20-let-the-tape-speak-for-itself-010347470.html

Bad, bad, bad...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
A tale of two halfs for Opie

he looked good in the 1st

went fishin' with pa in the 2nd.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 03:07:49 PM
Had to know at half it wouldn't end well

Nice adjustments by Coach P but little counter adjustment from Gmen.
Title: Shurmur
Post by: Kam on December 10, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
If he loses next week or week after its time to drop the axe.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
Kay, Lagreca and Rosenberg all over the "Barkley was a poor pick" again

Too funny.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on December 10, 2019, 05:42:00 PM
Barkley, Jones, and (lord willing) Chase Young will be major pillars of the Giants for years to come.

And if you're talking about picks then give credit for 5th round pick Darius Slayton.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 06:30:09 PM
Yes - and the fucking asstard knocking the high RB pick needs to fill us in on exactly how all the running backs taken after Barkley have done.

She of the "you can find a running back anywhere...."

Kay had the second most idiotic statement of the day when he said  - " it's like a 6-7 year career - Next year you wont win, so you will have burnt half his career - and for what?"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
I told you fellas at the time the G-Men drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick was like a middle-class guy buying a Bentley. Its nice, a really asesome set of wheels, but you really need a 4-wheel drive SUV/station wagon to haul the kids, get through the snow, and whatnot. Barkley was an expensive gee-gae for a team with so many obvious needs, QB, OL, Defense. Or you could have traded him for a basket of picks and gone a far distance in reloading in several areas, rather than get a RB with no O-line to help him.

Barkley is a gas-guzzling high maintence, hugely depreciating Bentley.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 09:57:13 PM
Heh

Why do you think you're right?

------

Kay tried to say today that Jones just fell in Giants' laps

Funny.

Huge high pick coming up - and with QB/RB and WR looking settled.  Some talent on D as well, set to be bolstered by a big pass rusher.  Division not real strong
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2019, 10:19:40 PM
Heh

Why do you think you're right?

------



I might be right or wrong,

But it was the way I viewed the G-men's strengths, weaknesses, assets, liabilities,  and prioritized their needs 2 years ago.

Now it seems others are drawing similar conclusions after two years of piss poor performance in an admittedly piss-poor NFC East.

Barkley was a Bentley the G-Men should have passed on for more sensible ride.


HEH
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
The Bentley played like a RAM truck year 1.

High ankle sprain year 2 - but made some nice cuts when I saw him.

To view him as Kay did today is criminal.

They think Wayne Gallman can work similar holes with similar results?

Aaron Jones and Chris Carson are a couple of later (5th, 7th round) picks doing well.  Other than that mostly first and second rounders atop the stats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2019, 11:34:51 PM
I didn't here Kay, so Ive no opinion on that, but IMO Barkley, who I recognized as a premier talent, was a luxury item that a team living on the poverty line could live without. I thought it was a poor pick for a team that had so many other more important needs to fill than RB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on December 11, 2019, 01:31:29 AM
I told you fellas at the time the G-Men drafted Barkley with the 2nd pick was like a middle-class guy buying a Bentley. Its nice, a really asesome set of wheels, but you really need a 4-wheel drive SUV/station wagon to haul the kids, get through the snow, and whatnot. Barkley was an expensive gee-gae for a team with so many obvious needs, QB, OL, Defense. Or you could have traded him for a basket of picks and gone a far distance in reloading in several areas, rather than get a RB with no O-line to help him.

Barkley is a gas-guzzling high maintence, hugely depreciating Bentley.   

But who did you say they should have taken instead? 

Everyone at the time was saying "the giants messed up and passed on D'arnold, Allen, Rosen et al"

But did they?  Did they really?

Are you taking Denzel Ward or Quentin Nelson #2?

Then you have great hindsight.

Or Roquan Smith who didn't project in the Top 3.

Or Minkah Fitzpatrick who went #11?

C'mon now.  Barkley was the pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2019, 10:34:44 AM
At the time I thought the Giants had two decent options for the #2 pick

1) QB-my choice was Darnold

2) if a QB wasn't the choice (as we saw a few months earlier Eli and his fans might get upset) trade the #2 to a team that wanted Darnold or another QB for a basket of picks to address the Giants many problems. Using a NFL value matrix the Giants could have traded down to the 5th pick and gotten, a 1,2,3, 4 (or future hi picks) from a rebuilding team, for the #2 pick used for Barkley. 

IMO drafting Barkley, as good, as he was, was a mistake, and a wasted opportunity to rebuild in many areas. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 11, 2019, 03:14:38 PM
If you have to spy on Cinci to beat them there is something wrong with you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 11, 2019, 09:18:00 PM
Thursday nighter


12/12 8:20 ET Baltimore -14.5 Jets 45     31-13
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 13, 2019, 11:09:12 PM
Eli!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 14, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
Week 15 slate


(currently 115-91 vs spread)



12/12 8:20 ET    Baltimore -14.5 Jets        45       31-13           W

12/15 1:00 ET    Buccaneers -3.5  Detroit 47.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Eagles -4.5 Washington 40
12/15 1:00 ET    Green Bay -4.5  Bears     41
12/15 1:00 ET    Patriots  -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Tennessee -3     Texans  50
12/15 1:00 ET    Seahawks -6 Carolina     48.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5
12/15 1:00 ET    NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5
12/15 8:20 ET    Pittsburgh -2      Bills       36.5
12/15 4:05 ET    Oakland -6.5      Jaguars 45.5
12/15 4:05 ET    Browns -2.5        Arizona 48
12/15 4:05 ET    Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5
12/15 4:25 ET    San Francisco -11 Falcons 47
12/15 4:25 ET    Rams     -1            Dallas    49

12/16 8:15 ET    New Orleans -9 Colts      46



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 14, 2019, 07:11:48 PM
Tough calls for fantasy semifinals

I think I will stay with Rodgers over Prescott, though "experts" have Dak 7th and AR 10th

Also staying with Sutton over A J Brown and Higbie at 3rd wr/flex

Should be close
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 12:59:15 PM



12/12 8:20 ET    Baltimore -14.5 Jets        45       31-13           W

12/15 1:00 ET    Buccaneers -3.5  Detroit 47.5      28-24
12/15 1:00 ET    Eagles -4.5 Washington 40      23-19
12/15 1:00 ET    Green Bay -4.5  Bears     41     26-18
12/15 1:00 ET    Patriots  -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5      27-10
12/15 1:00 ET    Tennessee -3     Texans  50      28-24
12/15 1:00 ET    Seahawks -6 Carolina     48.5      27-27
12/15 1:00 ET    Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5     27-17
12/15 1:00 ET    NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5      24-20
12/15 8:20 ET    Pittsburgh -2      Bills       36.5
12/15 4:05 ET    Oakland -6.5      Jaguars 45.5
12/15 4:05 ET    Browns -2.5        Arizona 48
12/15 4:05 ET    Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5
12/15 4:25 ET    San Francisco -11 Falcons 47
12/15 4:25 ET    Rams     -1            Dallas    49

12/16 8:15 ET    New Orleans -9 Colts      46
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 01:04:04 PM

12/12 8:20 ET    Baltimore -14.5 Jets        45       31-13           W

12/15 1:00 ET    Buccaneers -3.5  Detroit 47.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Eagles -4.5 Washington 40
12/15 1:00 ET    Green Bay -4.5  Bears     41
12/15 1:00 ET    Patriots  -9.5 Cincinnati 40.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Tennessee -3     Texans  50
12/15 1:00 ET    Seahawks -6 Carolina     48.5
12/15 1:00 ET    Kansas City -10.5 Broncos 45.5
12/15 1:00 ET    NY Giants -3.5 Dolphins 46.5
12/15 8:20 ET    Pittsburgh -2      Bills       36.5      19-13
12/15 4:05 ET    Oakland -6.5      Jaguars 45.5       27-20
12/15 4:05 ET    Browns -2.5        Arizona 48         23-21
12/15 4:05 ET    Vikings -2.5 LA Chargers 44.5      24-21
12/15 4:25 ET    San Francisco -11 Falcons 47        37-24
12/15 4:25 ET    Rams     -1            Dallas    49     28-31

12/16 8:15 ET    New Orleans -9 Colts      46       34-27
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 04:18:34 PM
Thats just a fucking ridiculous end to the Eagles game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
And it happens again in San Fran

Necessary NFL rule change:

A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 15, 2019, 07:56:16 PM
It's a good thing you rarely bet on sports.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2019, 08:16:42 PM
I'd outlaw the back-doors covers that bite me in the ass.

The other ones are ok.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 15, 2019, 09:44:59 PM
And it happens again in San Fran

Necessary NFL rule change:

A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.

Why is that necessary?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 15, 2019, 09:45:33 PM
I'd outlaw the back-doors covers that bite me in the ass.

The other ones are ok.

 ::)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 16, 2019, 02:04:15 AM
Clearly, the answer to any team's coaching problem is to hire somebody named Sean.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2019, 05:23:58 PM
And it happens again in San Fran

Necessary NFL rule change:

A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.

Why is that necessary?!

Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points

You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock. 

Your bet is a virtual lock

You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.

Then bullshit ensues.

In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped.  Its 22-17 under a minute to go.  I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 16, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
It's very important for the NFL to make sure the bettors are happy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 16, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
It's very important for the NFL to make sure the bettors are happy.

That some of them are happy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 16, 2019, 05:49:33 PM
And it happens again in San Fran

Necessary NFL rule change:

A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.

Why is that necessary?!

Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points

You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock. 

Your bet is a virtual lock

You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.

Then bullshit ensues.

In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped.  Its 22-17 under a minute to go.  I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure

A whole bunch of Eagles bettors were watching, so sure that they were doomed. Their bet a virtual garbage heap. Nothing can save them.

And then the Skins give it up and you're golden!

Your view of things is so narrow, Kid, in this as surely as in the issue of Trump's "successes."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 16, 2019, 06:13:28 PM
Josh Gordon deserves one more chance!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
Josh Gordon deserves one more chance!

The Redskins + 4 1/2 pushed him off the wagon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2019, 08:07:08 PM
And it happens again in San Fran

Necessary NFL rule change:

A defensive team cannot score on the last play of a game they are already winning.

Why is that necessary?!

Cmon man - think - if you were a Redskins bettor yesterdsat - getting 4.5 points

You are ahead by 3 with 0:30 on the clock. 

Your bet is a virtual lock

You worry only of a FG tying the game, then an overtime TD (not a FG) beating you.

Then bullshit ensues.

In San Fran, UNDER bettors ready to cash their tickets, as the 49.5 number isnt close to being topped.  Its 22-17 under a minute to go.  I suppose we could envision a TD and 2 point conversion, but there were just 5 seconds left and the under still secure

A whole bunch of Eagles bettors were watching, so sure that they were doomed. Their bet a virtual garbage heap. Nothing can save them.

And then the Skins give it up and you're golden!

Your view of things is so narrow, Kid, in this as surely as in the issue of Trump's "successes."

Books were generally killed as well.  Much more money on Eagles cover.

I dont see anything wrong with my new rule.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 16, 2019, 08:18:24 PM
I'm sure you don't.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
Nor do you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 16, 2019, 09:03:47 PM
Your new rule is idiotic.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 16, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
Your new rule is idiotic.

2nd the motion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
football is a 60 minute game.

The score and scoring plays for both teams, counts for all 60 minutes.


And who cares if the house got beat?

Just the cost of having the house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2019, 09:24:22 PM
Although I wonder what the house would have bought back Redskins +4 1/2 when it looked like a lock seconds before they fumbled themselves from a cover to a fucking brutal bad beat,
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 17, 2019, 09:42:03 AM
??
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 17, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
??

I understand that betting shops will buy back winning bets, presumably at a discount. Its risk management for both parties. They pay-out less and you accept a lesser winning amount. 

let's say you had Skins +4 1/2 in that games at a standard -110 bet.

You thought it was a virual lock to cover, and it was, but as we saw, stuff happens.

If you sold it with a minute to go, for example 180, (versus 210) you would have won $70 rather than $100, and the house would have saved $30.
 
But in accepting the lower pay-out you couldn't lose.

My question was I wonder what was the price at the time to induce bettors to sell what looked like a virtual lock winning bet. What is the price of cetainty.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 17, 2019, 09:59:04 AM
Pretty sure it goes off the board that late in a game.

I saw Knicks +20.5 (in game betting) at one point in a  game that they eventually lost by single digits.  But by the start of 4th quarter there was no line for it.

But you are correct - in game odds has changed the industry just a bit.

Supposedly FanDuel has a "cash out now" feature that fluctuates in payout as the game goes on.  I am sure this is what you are referring to.  Wasn't aware the Vegas books also had that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 20, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
"Tom Brady is over the hill and close to done"

- Doug Gottlieb

- but he has the Patriots - as they always do - "winning at home in December"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 20, 2019, 08:08:39 AM
Week SIXTEEN


12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5

12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland 49
12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45

12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 20, 2019, 08:09:32 AM
I value Gottlieb's opinion on credit card theft far more than his opinion about football.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 20, 2019, 04:42:27 PM
ha ha haha haaaaaah
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 20, 2019, 08:12:14 PM

Week SIXTEEN


12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53      31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5     21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5    28-17

12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland 49
12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45

12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 21, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
that was a real good game of tackle football.

nice to see the O-line show-up and control the LoS

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 21, 2019, 08:42:19 PM
Fuckers!

Had to put the ball in Allen's hands on a run at least once, twice after first and goal at the 8.

We could see this one run back in Final 4.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 22, 2019, 12:48:30 AM

Week SIXTEEN


12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53      31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5     21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5    28-17

It was a good effort.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2019, 12:53:04 PM

12/22 1:00 ET Atlanta -6.5 Jaguars 46    27-21
12/22 1:00 ET Saints -1 Tennessee 51     24-28
12/22 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 40.5   23-21
12/22 1:00 ET Steelers -3 NY Jets 38.5    24-17
12/22 1:00 ET Miami -3 Bengals 45.5      24-20
12/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6.5 Panthers 46.5    27-20
12/22 1:00 ET Ravens -7 Cleveland  49     31-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2019, 12:53:54 PM

Week SIXTEEN


12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53      31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5     21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5    28-17

It was a good effort.

Hit the money line parlay...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2019, 01:05:04 PM

12/22 4:05 ET Denver -6.5 Lions 37.5      23-13
12/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Raiders 47      30-21
12/22 4:25 ET Cowboys -1 Philadelphia 47.5     29-27
12/22 4:25 ET Seattle -9.5 Cardinals 48.5       31-14
12/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -4 Chicago 45      23-24

12/23 8:15 ET Minnesota -4.5 Packers 46.5     27-24
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
BARKLEY!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
heh

More NFL shenanigans today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 23, 2019, 06:39:40 PM

Week SIXTEEN


12/21 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1 Texans 53      31-34
12/21 4:30 ET New England -6.5 Bills 38.5     21-17
12/21 8:15 ET San Francisco -6.5 Rams 50.5    28-17

It was a good effort.

Hit the money line parlay...

kid claims victory from the snatch of defeat

or something like that

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 24, 2019, 12:59:08 AM
6-9 week following 8-7 last week

Lost fantasy championship last night by a point.  (Congrats, Luke)

Interesting story lines next week.  Detroit now holds the 3rd pick.  Do they take the next best QB or trade out of it?

Giants are being killed but will add a top 5-6 pick to a decent team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 29, 2019, 01:29:52 AM
Week SEVENTEEN


Date & Time     Favorite     Line     Underdog     Total


12/29 4:25 ET     Titans     -3.5     Houston     45
12/29 1:00 ET     Browns     -2.5     Cincinnati     44.5
12/29 1:00 ET     Minnesota     -1     Bears     37
12/29 4:25 ET     Colts     -3.5     Jacksonville     43
12/29 1:00 ET     Tampa Bay     -1     Falcons    48
12/29 4:25 ET     Dallas     -11     Redskins     44.5
12/29 1:00 ET     Saints     -13     Carolina     46
12/29 4:25 ET     Eagles     -4.5     NY Giants     45
12/29 4:25 ET     Steelers     -2     Baltimore     38
12/29 1:00 ET     Buffalo     -1.5     Jets     36.5
12/29 1:00 ET     New England   -15.5 Dolphins     45
12/29 1:00 ET     Packers     -12.5     Detroit     43
12/29 1:00 ET     Kansas City   -8.5  Chargers     45.5
12/29 4:25 ET     LA Rams     -3.5     Cardinals    49
12/29 8:20 ET     49ers     -3     Seattle     47
12/29 4:25 ET     Denver     -3.5     Raiders     41
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 29, 2019, 12:21:54 PM




12/29 4:25 ET     Titans     -3.5     Houston     45.    24-17
12/29 1:00 ET     Browns     -2.5     Cincinnati     44.5.   21-23
12/29 1:00 ET     Minnesota     -1     Bears     37.    20-17
12/29 4:25 ET     Colts     -3.5     Jacksonville     43.   23-16
12/29 1:00 ET     Tampa Bay     -1     Falcons    48.   34-31
12/29 4:25 ET     Dallas     -11     Redskins     44.5     31-17
12/29 1:00 ET     Saints     -13     Carolina     46.   31-17
12/29 4:25 ET     Eagles     -4.5     NY Giants     45.     26-20
12/29 4:25 ET     Steelers     -2     Baltimore     38.    20-23
12/29 1:00 ET     Buffalo     -1.5     Jets     36.5.   26-23
12/29 1:00 ET     New England   -15.5 Dolphins     45.   31-17
12/29 1:00 ET     Packers     -12.5     Detroit     43.   27-10
12/29 1:00 ET     Kansas City   -8.5  Chargers     45.5.  24-10
12/29 4:25 ET     LA Rams     -3.5     Cardinals    49.   27-24
12/29 8:20 ET     49ers     -3     Seattle     47.       24-19
12/29 4:25 ET     Denver     -3.5     Raiders     41.   21-16



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 29, 2019, 04:13:39 PM
that was about as ugly a loss as the Pats have had in a long time.

end of an era type loss.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 29, 2019, 04:21:21 PM
that was about as ugly a loss as the Pats have had in a long time.

end of an era type loss.

I thought the 31-0 loss to Buffalo a while ago was pretty awful and we had one or two really bad ones that cost us homefield advantage last year, if I recall correctly.

But we'll see if we survive the extra game.

Certainly, this defense did not look like the same one we had earlier in the season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 29, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
Bucs Vikes brutal

4-4 early
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2019, 09:11:19 AM
Kitchens out in Cleveland.

Shurmur axed by G-Men.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 30, 2019, 10:22:23 AM
Looks like 9-7, 23-23 last three weeks, finishing with a fizzle.

Had hoped for 10 wins to cap the profitable season off.

Playoff picks - hoping more will play.

We'll do a straight up - and then folks can pick with points as well if they like.

Tennessee vs New England quite interseting
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 30, 2019, 10:45:27 AM
Week 1

https://www.espn.com/nfl/schedule/_/week/1/seasontype/3

We'll just go by most wins

But lets do a bracket as well for bragging rights.  Make your picks for the entire playoffs, remembering to use the six seed vs 1 for each conference should you have the six defeating the 3.  4/5 would then play the 2.





Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2019, 11:07:37 AM
G-men, Browns Panthers reportedly ask for permission to interview Josh McD for HC 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 30, 2019, 11:59:20 AM
G-men, Browns Panthers reportedly ask for permission to interview Josh McD for HC
JMD is rumored to be the Browns's first choice, though I would be most interested in Eric Sleeping With Bieniemy. I suspect the Browns will be wary of anyone with no HC experience.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 03, 2020, 10:29:16 PM
   
Wild Card Weekend Playoff Games

NFL Game Lines 1/4 - 1/5, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total


1/4 4:35 ET Houston -2.5 Bills 43    24-20
1/4 8:15 ET New England -5 Titans 44    24-21

1/5 1:05 ET New Orleans -7.5 Vikings 49     30-23
1/5 4:40 ET Seahawks -1.5 Philadelphia 45.     23-20

Wagers

HOU at 20-1 to win AFC
SEA at 10-1 for NFC
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 03, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
My overall bracket



round 2

Bal over Hou
KC over NE

Green Bay over NO
SEA over San Fran

round 3

KC over Bal
SEA over GB

Super Bowl

KC over SEA
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 04, 2020, 04:43:22 AM
My overall bracket

Bills over Texans
Patriots over the Titans

Saints over Vikings
Seahawks over Eagles

round 2

Ravens over Bills
Patriots over Chiefs

Saints over Packers
49ers over Seahawks

round 3 - the rematches

Patriots over Ravens
49ers over Seahawks

Super Bowl - Garoppolo's Revenge

49ers over Patriots
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 04:07:12 PM
low confidence games today

but lets take the Bills + 2 1/2 as a road dog

and

Pats -4 1/2 as home favorite.

Pats is a heart over head pick

tomorrow leaning home teams Saints and Eagles-gotta think more about Eagles/SHawks
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
Giving the 7.5 with Saints?  That's a load.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
Couldnt get the HOU and SEA bets in.  Hope they dont come through.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 04:42:25 PM
Well....

Looks good for the OVER

Bills had not scored a first quarter offensive TD in 8 games.

JJ Watt sat.

Maybe fix that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 05:31:53 PM
Someone better clue Watson in that this is win or go home

Stop running out of bounds, coward.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
heh

kid tells us he bets Houston and then they go down 10-0 and mirculously he couldn't get the bet in.

The internet was broken, or something

that is kid in a nut shell.

Insecuirty wrapped in lies tied with a bullshit bow.

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 05:55:00 PM
kid tells us he bets Houston and then they go down 10-0 and mirculously he couldn't get the bet in.


Wagers still count

Will be included in the playoff sum up
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 05:59:01 PM
I'm sure the accountants at Enron will sign off on your #s.

LMAO
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 04, 2020, 06:04:59 PM
Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.

heh

ok
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:21:51 PM
Allen's a marvelous story.  I recall all the discussion during his draft year.

From nowhere to Wyoming to...

well...today.

Collegiate coaches - pay better attention to your emails
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:22:23 PM
Texans right in this thing
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 04, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
Jeez, Allen has a Matthew Stafford-type arm.
I'm not sure what's "heh-worthy" about that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:37:47 PM
Watson ran out of bounds again

I think the over.under on that was 7.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:38:57 PM
Heh

Like THAT.

Take the fucking game, Dewannnn
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
Who is that, Aikman?

Its a TD, fool.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
The internet was broken, or something


Internet bets?  Really?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Someone better clue Watson in that this is win or go home


Thanks

May be too late

BTW - they make a big deal out of the Watt sack but when you have a guy blindsided like that and dont get a fumble out of it I see it as a fail.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
Does HOU ever blitz?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
Wow - a blitz

and a fumble

Lets go Deeeewann
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 06:55:09 PM
Run, coward!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:02:25 PM
19-16 final?

Lets go!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:05:49 PM
Good throw, D.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
helluva comeback by Texans

Can Bills respond?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:19:19 PM
J J, baby.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 04, 2020, 07:24:39 PM
helluva comeback by Texans

Can Bills respond?
I have come to the conclusion that 16 - 0 is dangerous score against Clemsonish quarterback.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
Bills just puked all over themselves.

must be related to kid.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
Keeeeep the ball, DeShawn.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:29:10 PM
Not like that.

Heh

Good game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:33:29 PM
Bills just puked all over themselves.

must be related to kid.

heh

QUIT

Like a Ceits fan
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:39:08 PM
wow - just blow up this league
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
Figures - my first game back and its the zebra fuckshow again
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
they got to take a shot deep
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
The call ends up meaning nothing, thankfully

47 yards either way
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 08:13:13 PM
whaddafuckingplay
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 08:14:21 PM
and game

very fun game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:15:06 PM
That's why Watson at 20-1 is a good play.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
Texans have no shot at a championship

I guess you didn't watch the game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:43:37 PM
This was the game I most worried about

Going down to Fan Duel later - see what has happened to the odds
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:45:50 PM
Only thing definite about this weekend was that I would go 2-2 at best in over/unders.

Had the over if the Hou receiver gets 8 more yards.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:46:35 PM
Touchdown!

Again - early on it looks OVER

(gotta check the Harvard guy)

Good to see PINOCCHIO is back
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:52:05 PM
Well said by Romo - is Sanu finally going to contribute to this offense?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Barkley scores on that 25-yard Michel run.

But RBs aren't important.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 04, 2020, 09:00:43 PM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 09:56:33 PM
Why did Pats run all three times to the left?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
Not sure what that last play was.  Edelman fair catch would have been perfect
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 04, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
Congratulations to Mike Vrabel and the Titans - I wish them all the luck next week!

I suspect a rule change on running down the clock is coming in this offseason.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 11:24:10 PM
Titans played a solid game

congrats to them and their fans.

The end of an era.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
Running back dominance

Imagine that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2020, 11:27:39 PM
Running back dominance

Imagine that.

The Titams offense scored 14 points.
Are you really that oblivious?

If the Pats had a functional offense they would have won the game.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 11:46:21 PM
Time of possession totally turned in second half.  Unbelievably strong coaching by Titans.  Pass the torch, Bill.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 04, 2020, 11:52:35 PM
If the Pats had a functional (played better) offens(ively) they would (may) have won the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 12:06:31 AM
If the Pats had a functional (played better) offens(ively) they would (may) have won the game.

thanks for confirming my observation that you are oblivious. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 12:09:19 AM
Watching the Pats offense tonight I was mostly reflective of what was, as old age, injuries, and lack of talent caught up with the offense.

But what a run-almost two decades of unparalled excellence.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 12:34:29 AM
Clearly they missed A Brown
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 12:39:46 AM
and a healthy O-line (it was better by year-end)

and Devlin
 
and any tight end

and a deep threat wide receiver

and a healthy Jules who was playing hurt

the offense was a ghost of what it had been
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 11:49:24 AM
yesterday's debacle put me below .500 in my ATS pool

pressure is on to best the odds of a faily flipped coin.


hate the hook but sticking with Saints -7 1/2 at home in the 1pm game

lets go with Saints 34-21

and going (for now) with Eagles +1 1/2 as home dog in the nite-cap.

Eagles 27-23
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
Yes, always good to pick the winner of the game as well when there is a pool going (you didnt yesterday with Bills game)

Assuming Bank picked Bills....

Kid8 -   1-1
Bank -    0-2
Josh  -   0-2
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 01:23:05 PM
Yes, always good to pick the winner of the game as well when there is a pool going (you didnt yesterday with Bills game)

Assuming Bank picked Bills....

Kid8 -   1-1
Bank -    0-2
Josh  -   0-2

Kid-I'm not in your pool.

Other than the fact you use different lines, I wouldn't choose to associate with you in any contest that relies on honesty and integrity.

But I am 0-2 and 1 game under .500 for the year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
We arent using lines
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 01:31:13 PM
Going overall wins and bracket wins

You didnt do a bracket so you are right - you're not in that one
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 01:35:05 PM
Josh- we will just tally at the end

The Foxboro Flower is getting upset
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
So... where does Brady sign?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
Going overall wins and bracket wins

You didnt do a bracket so you are right - you're not in that one

kid

My picks reflect a separate ATS pool.

I did not pick a winner in Bills-Texans, I picked the underdog Bills getting points.

After your disgusting display of dishonesty 3 years ago I would never choose to associate with you in any regard that relied upon integrity, as you have none.

Josh is free to associate with you if he chooses, but I will not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 04:03:49 PM
Hero time for Brees?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 04:11:12 PM
and into OT we go

3 ggod games so far
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
great win for Vikes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
tough week-end for old Hof bound QBs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
Here we go again with the stupid OT rule.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 05:35:28 PM
Clowney is a dirty punkass fuck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 05, 2020, 07:21:02 PM
No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 07:30:18 PM
Looks like I finally get an o/u right

4-0 spread picks unless Philly pulls this out
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2020, 07:32:21 PM
Wow!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 07:40:24 PM
Texans are now 12-1 for AFC

Have to wait for Seahawks number

May still play them
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
good weekend of football

miserable weekend for prognostication
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 07:45:36 PM
Wow!!!!

I agree

Just continues an excellent NFL picks season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2020, 07:48:33 PM
Amazing. For somebody who rarely bets on sports.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 05, 2020, 10:14:45 PM
No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.

Not even a look at it, apparently.

With the Saints involved.

Unfuckingbelievable.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 05, 2020, 10:16:59 PM
good weekend of football

miserable weekend for prognostication

I was thrilled that I got one game right - I was beginning to think I should make my picks, promote them where people who know me could see them, so they could bet the opposite.

It would still be beneficial at 1/4 right, mostly, but not nearly as good as perfection!

Maybe, Banks, one of us should go first and the other pick the opposites!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2020, 10:52:57 PM
good weekend of football

miserable weekend for prognostication

I was thrilled that I got one game right - I was beginning to think I should make my picks, promote them where people who know me could see them, so they could bet the opposite.

It would still be beneficial at 1/4 right, mostly, but not nearly as good as perfection!

Maybe, Banks, one of us should go first and the other pick the opposites!

Its been a long time since my last golden sombrero.

But they happen.

and they are humbling.

I need a strong finish (5-2) to beat coin-flipping consistency.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 05, 2020, 11:06:19 PM
No offensive pass interference. Crock of SHIT.

Not even a look at it, apparently.

With the Saints involved.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Sick, really

Just unforgivable

And then to come out with such a quick statement in defense....

Fault of course lies in the zebra that missed the call initially.

Don Denkinger was grilled so...as was the guy who blew the call that spoiled the perfect game

Why not these NFL guys?  He is standing right fucking there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 06, 2020, 10:08:57 AM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 06, 2020, 11:39:39 AM
Below is a transcript with NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron from the NFC wild-card game between the New Orleans Saints and the Minnesota Vikings regarding the final play of the game. The pool reporter in attendance was Larry Holder of the Athletic. 



Holder: What did you see on that final play to uphold the call on the field?

Riveron: "We looked at all of the angles that FOX afford us, and FOX gave us some great views. There is contact by both players, but none of that contact rises to the level of a foul. This is consistent with what we've done all year long, we left the ruling on the field. We let it stand."

Holder: "It seemed like you guys did this process pretty quickly. It was obviously clear enough in that short of a span that you felt comfortable with what was called?"

Riveron: "Yes. FOX was great. They gave us every angle that they had pertaining to the play. So we're very comfortable with what we saw. Nothing came through afterward that we had not seen prior to making the ruling."


Saints Linebacker Demario Davis

It was one-on-one, the tight end won, you’ve got to give him credit. Good throw and catch."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 06, 2020, 03:13:02 PM
Opinions vary.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2020, 04:36:36 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2020, 04:45:31 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.

But I'm still trying to figure out the rationale for overtime's allowing a touchdown to end it, but not a field goal, for the first possession. Let both teams have the ball a minimum of once. (I would really prefer that they just play out a full 15 minute period, but I get that that is not going to happen.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 06, 2020, 05:43:58 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 06, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.


Who said they want that?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on January 06, 2020, 06:02:03 PM
As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.


Who said they want that?
Note the FG USED to win. No longer.
The NFL is not a league for sissies.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2020, 06:07:46 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged. Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?

And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 06, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged.
  Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears. Down by contact is called immediately and stops the play for safety reasons.
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Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
why not the Coin Toss?
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And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Because the NFL wants its OT to be sudden death. It took a groundswell from fans and players to successfully argue a one possession FG is not an acceptable way the end the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged.
  Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears.
So is forward progress resulting in a first down, but that is reviewable.
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Down by contact is called immediately and stops the play for safety reasons.
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Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
why not the Coin Toss?
Indeed. If the coin comes heads and he calls.tails, why not to to replay? But the real issue is there are major penalties refs call in the flow of the game that.require instant recognition and interpretation of.the rules. We have singled out interference. Why, other than because of one bad call?
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And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Because the NFL wants its OT to be sudden death. It took a groundswell from fans and players to successfully argue a one possession FG is not an acceptable way the end the game.
That is a good answer.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 06, 2020, 10:00:08 PM

 Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears.
So is forward progress resulting in a first down, but that is reviewable.
What is reviewable is the spot of the ball AFTER the officials determine forward progress has been stopped.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.

1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?

2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 07, 2020, 12:10:17 AM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.

1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
Because the League Rules Committee determines what plays are reviewable.
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2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Again the Rules Committee set the parameters for OT.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 07, 2020, 12:23:44 AM
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.

1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
Because the League Rules Committee determines what plays are reviewable.
Quote
2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Again the Rules Committee set the parameters for OT.

Such brilliance!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Rhule to Panthers

Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC

Josh McD to the Browns?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 07, 2020, 12:48:18 PM
Rhule to Panthers

Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC

Josh McD to the Browns?
DePodesta loved Stefanski the last time around, but was overruled. I suspect HC experience is a must this year. Who knows about next year.

Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevanc9.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
Rhule to Panthers

Pat's ST coach Judge new G-Men HC

Josh McD to the Browns?
DePodesta loved Stefanski the last time around, but was overruled. I suspect HC experience is a must this year. Who knows about next year.

Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevanc9.

MCD-Who knows.

But his interest in interviewing suggests he was ready to move on from the Pats.  I would think his long tenure as Brady's OC might be a selling point of stability to the Browns and the need to further development of Mayfield.

and perhaps the Pats post Brady would make coaching Chernobil look like Eden

Burn on big river, burn on. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
and BB?

suppsedly he wants to go after Shula's W record, so he could bolt to a younger franchise, or burnish his record by rebuilding the Pats.
Title: How will the Judge Rhule
Post by: Kam on January 07, 2020, 01:38:13 PM
Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years!  60mil!  Never coached a game in the NFL.  OK.. good for Rhule.  Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on  a plane and visit Giants.  Mara heard the number and choked.   Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
Title: Re: How will the Judge Rhule
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 07, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years!  60mil!  Never coached a game in the NFL.  OK.. good for Rhule.  Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on  a plane and visit Giants.  Mara heard the number and choked.   Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
Good move by Rhule. Strike while the iron is hot. He goes 8 - 4, 7 - 5 at Baylor and his value tanks.

Can't Judge judge. Though I just rolled out a Flip Wilson reference to a Giants fan in the office and got a blank stare. I am fucking old.
Title: Re: How will the Judge Rhule
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years!  60mil!  Never coached a game in the NFL.  OK.. good for Rhule.  Then Rhule called Mara with chance to match and lure him to get on  a plane and visit Giants.  Mara heard the number and choked.   Immediately started negotiating with Judge. I can't wait to see the terms.
Good move by Rhule. Strike while the iron is hot. He goes 8 - 4, 7 - 5 at Baylor and his value tanks.

Can't Judge judge. Though I just rolled out a Flip Wilson reference to a Giants fan in the office and got a blank stare. I am fucking old.

The devil made you do it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 07, 2020, 04:29:15 PM
Are we sure Belichick is coming back? JMD may be primed to inherit the Pats on their slide to post Brady irrelevance.


Most believable rumor I heard today was Brady and McDaniel to LAC

Garrett being looked at in NY as OC.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 07, 2020, 04:31:07 PM
Rhule interviewed with Carolina and Tepper made Rhule an offer he couldn't refuse. 7 years!  60mil!  Never coached a game in the NFL. 


Gruden effect.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 07, 2020, 04:33:25 PM
Hadn't heard Rhule called Mara.  Not sure it works that way.

Rhule was my choice - and not just me - last go round.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on January 07, 2020, 05:03:16 PM
Hadn't heard Rhule called Mara.  Not sure it works that way.

Rhule was my choice - and not just me - last go round.

He called somebody with a 201 area code.   They passed on agreeing to match Carolina's terms.  No one is at fault here.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 10, 2020, 08:25:40 PM
Divisional round 2020

(4-0)

1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 12:12:12 AM

Divisional round 2020

(4-0)

1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5    27-24
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47        28-17
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51      31-24
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46     21-23
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 11, 2020, 04:28:13 PM

Divisional round 2020

(4-0)

1/11 4:35 ET San Francisco -7 Vikings 45.5    27-24
1/11 8:15 ET Baltimore -9 Titans 47        28-17
1/12 3:05 ET Kansas City -9.5 Texans 51      31-24
1/12 6:40 ET Green Bay -4 Seahawks 46     21-23
[/quote

Boring as it seems, I would pick the same winners that you did, Kid. Differences are bolded.

So, I'll pick SF to beat the spread and for the game to be under.

And Baltimore to beat the spread (as you did), but the game to be over 47 points.

KC will beat the spread, but the game will be over, as you predicted.

And the Seahawks will win, which blows the spread, but I expect the total score to be over 46.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 11, 2020, 07:07:13 PM
To the extent this is a head to head playoff between Saleh and Stefanski I think the winner is clear.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 11, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
This was not a close game.

I expected SF to cover, but this was not as tight as I expected.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 08:13:10 PM
meh

2 turnovers or it would have been

But Niners D line impressive, yes

Cousins one other mistake was not running for first down on 3rd and 4...

Winner tomorrow wins the NFC
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 11, 2020, 08:17:30 PM
meh

2 turnovers or it would have been

But Niners D line impressive, yes

Cousins one other mistake was not running for first down on 3rd and 4...

Winner tomorrow wins the NFC
No, Minnesota would just have punted 3 plays later. 147 total yards. 18 yards rushing for Cook. That was not a close game. Niner defense was superb.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 08:21:05 PM
So, I'll pick SF to beat the spread and for the game to be under.


This is what you call a perfect game - winner, spread winner, o/u winner

Well done

3-2, 4-1 (spread), 1-4 (o/u) - 8-7 overall (poor) for playoffs

Also lost a few scheckels on a spread parlay (winners of all 4 was the way to go - paid about 2.5-1 but went for the bigger score of a bit less than 6-1 on 3 games)

Money also down on HOU and SEA - at lesser odds than last week of course - to get to SB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 11, 2020, 08:38:24 PM

Winner tomorrow wins the NFC

I don't think so.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
No, Minnesota would just have punted 3 plays later.


eh

more likely a fg, maybe a td

Cousins one truly bad play, I thought.  Not his forte, I understand - and all props to San Fran, of course

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game

Wow.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 11, 2020, 10:47:48 PM
Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game

Wow.

This is not the game I (or most of football watching America) was expecting to see, but I'm thrilled to see it!

(a) It makes me feel a lot better about the Patsy's game last week.

(b) It sure changes the discussion.

But to me, it casts an indictment over anybody and everybody involved with the Dolphins' offense in the rest of Tannehill's career.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 11, 2020, 11:33:02 PM
I kept hoping for one more Ravens TD.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 11, 2020, 11:33:11 PM
Looks like Texans play tomorrow to HOST the AFC title game

Wow.

This is not the game I (or most of football watching America) was expecting to see, but I'm thrilled to see it!

(a) It makes me feel a lot better about the Patsy's game last week.

(b) It sure changes the discussion.

But to me, it casts an indictment over anybody and everybody involved with the Dolphins' offense in the rest of Tannehill's career.

Great win for the Titans-and it puts last weeks game into slightly different context.

The Pats still lost to one bad-asss team, but most of us underestimated how bad-ass they were.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 11:54:05 PM
Team knows how to win

4 straight years of 9-7
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2020, 12:03:11 AM
I think they are learning how to win.

Vrabel has them playing smart and smash-mouth ball.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 12, 2020, 12:20:38 AM
Every time a Harbaugh loses an angel gets it's wings
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 12, 2020, 12:52:19 AM
You know where Vrabel went to college though, bosox, so I know this must have been difficult for you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 12, 2020, 01:06:50 AM
You know where Vrabel went to college though, bosox, so I know this must have been difficult for you.
😁
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 01:35:23 AM
Team knows how to win

4 straight years of 9-7

As I expected you would write.

Troll.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 12, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
Stefanski is the new Browns coach.  Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.

JMD stays put.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
I *want* Houston to win... I just don't expect them to.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
Down two TDs - I know it's early but Reid punting from the HOU 45 with a  4th and 5 was surprising
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
oooooohhh, sorry, Whisk



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001096127/article/browns-hiring-kevin-stefanski-as-next-head-coach
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 04:25:01 PM
Wow.

This is one wild game!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 04:27:09 PM
I believe Coach O'B may have just cost me some loot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
They should just fire him at halftime.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
But they beat the over...

In the first half.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
New o/u is 78.5

I will take the over
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
Four KC players are top favorites for next TD

D Williams, Kelce, Hill, Watkins

Hyde of HOU is 5th at 13-1 odds
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Stefanski is the new Browns coach.  Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.

JMD stays put.

I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.

Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.

or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.

BoB having a tough day.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 05:44:29 PM
Stefanski is the new Browns coach.  Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.

JMD stays put.

I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.

Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.

or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.

BoB having a tough day.

Not sure I will want it then, either.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 05:49:02 PM
New o/u is 78.5

I will take the over

And there it is.

Have they set a new one, yet?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2020, 05:53:31 PM
Stefanski is the new Browns coach.  Too bad. I was kind of looking forward to making a bunch of Que Saleh, Saleh jokes.

JMD stays put.

I guess it wasn't a Saleh's market.

Maybe Josh will interview for the Brwons job next year.

or there might be an opening in Houston ASAP.

BoB having a tough day.

Not sure I will want it then, either.

rumor had it that Josh wanted certain organizational changes (new GM, axe Podesta?)

Can you confirm?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under

meh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 07:13:18 PM
4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under

meh

3-4 winners
2-1 spread
2-1 o/u

Ahead of you by a difference of 1.465%. It helped that I skipped the spread in the first weekend. No idea what I'd have done in the o/u.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 08:36:08 PM
attaboy
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 08:40:22 PM
Vintage AR tonight
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 09:33:58 PM
17 is the goat - good Lord

He catches that and Hawks march in
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 09:37:47 PM
Vintage AR tonight

You mean the 5-7 playoff record outside of 2010 or the 4-0 that one year?

Seriously, it is hard to believe it's been that long since we last saw him in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 12, 2020, 09:53:21 PM
4-3 winners
4-3 spread
3-4 over/under

meh

3-4 winners
2-1 spread
2-1 o/u

Ahead of you by a difference of 1.465%. It helped that I skipped the spread in the first weekend. No idea what I'd have done in the o/u.

3-5 winners
2-2 spread - damned 2 point conversion!
3-1 o/u
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 12, 2020, 10:10:09 PM
...and the day started so well

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2020, 06:26:59 PM
...and the day started so well

heh

welcome to the Golden Sombrero club

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 18, 2020, 03:42:52 PM
Championship week 2020


1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52

1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 18, 2020, 03:45:04 PM
Championship week 2020

4-4, 3-5 O/U


1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52     31-24

1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45     21-23   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 18, 2020, 10:22:09 PM
Championship week 2020

4-4, 3-5 O/U


1/19 3:05 ET Kansas City -7.5 Titans 52     31-24

1/19 6:40 ET San Francisco -7.5 Packers 45     21-23

I'm going with:
Titans over Chiefs (both +7.5 and absolute) and the under.
49ers over Packers, missing the spread, and the over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2020, 01:40:51 PM
Rooting for Titans and 49ers

but I think KC and 49ers win

Chiefs 34-21

49ers 27-23
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
Changing up to


23-21  Niners

So still both road teams covering, home teams winning

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
49ers over Packers, missing the spread, and the over.


Minus the spread?

A tighter game than the spread.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2020, 04:32:50 PM
fucking Mahomes

that was a great play

maybe the game-breaker

damn
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
Helmet to helmet on Tannehill.  Announcers missed it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 05:40:58 PM
heh

Tennessee bump and fall down defense needs some work
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 05:50:12 PM
Titans over Chiefs (both +7.5 and absolute) and the under.


Dumbest bet of the year nominee
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
Good showing for Tannehill

Makin bucks...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2020, 07:07:02 PM
could be a long day for ARod
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
pretty, pretty, pretty long
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 19, 2020, 09:57:00 PM
4-6 winners
2-4 spread
4-2 o/u

I enjoyed the games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
Browns reportedly hiring George Paton as their new GM. Not sure of his skills as a talent evaluator, but at least we will beat Montgomery to Messina.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 22, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
Have to assume the Player's Association won't be kindly disposed to his slapping players.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 22, 2020, 04:09:39 PM
Browns reportedly hiring George Paton as their new GM. Not sure of his skills as a talent evaluator, but at least we will beat Montgomery to Messina.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 22, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Have to assume the Player's Association won't be kondly disposed to his slapping players.

Or his making the other team's players die for their damned country!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 22, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
 Defensive backs everywhere are crying today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 22, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
Defensive backs everywhere are crying today

Eli may be gone, but he is not forgotten.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2020, 01:06:57 PM
Defensive backs everywhere are crying today

Eli may be gone, but he is not forgotten.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2873000-tom-brady-tweets-at-retired-eli-manning-i-wish-you-hadnt-won-any-super-bowls?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Jimmy Haslam is.clearly impressed with an Ivy League education in a way that only a graduate of a glorified commuter college can be.

Football been Berry Berry good to him. I hope the choice of GM does not result in the Browns getting Berried in the standings. I hear he is Berry good talent.evaluator.

I got a million of those jokes. And they all suck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 31, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
Super Bowl Line 2020 - Super Bowl LIV (54)

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

2/2 6:30 ET Kansas City -1.5 San Francisco 54     27-24
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 01, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
SuperBowl Pixs

going with tradition and what has worked pretty well

I'm taking the Pats and laying the points



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 01, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
SuperBowl Pixs

going with tradition and what has worked pretty well

I'm taking the Pats and laying the points

Love it!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 01, 2020, 11:16:37 AM
Super Bowl Line 2020 - Super Bowl LIV (54)

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

2/2 6:30 ET Kansas City -1.5 San Francisco 54     27-24

San Francisco to win, 35-32
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 01, 2020, 05:43:31 PM
SuperBowl Pixs

going with tradition and what has worked pretty well

I'm taking the Pats and laying the points

I may have to reconsider my SB pick.

January was a tough month for Patriots and their fans.

Pats lost to the Titans 20-13 a few weeks ago

Last night Patriots lost democracy 51-49

Go 49ers!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2020, 04:24:04 PM
How about in OT

49ers 30

Chiefs 24

Mahomes never touches the ball

Trump, laying the 1 1/2 is pissed, signs executive order mandating equal OT touches

and he welchs on bet

he's not shy about touching or grabbing or cheating.

Go Democracy!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: barton on February 02, 2020, 06:49:12 PM
And to think I wandered in here,  and college futbol,  to get away from the politics forums.  KC was mom's hometown,  so...go Chiefs!

   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 02, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
NFL prop picks
(I stayed with 27-24 though I now think it may be more like 31-28 KC - and the over)

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/12804.3



I like the following



* Garapolo +58.5 passing yards vs Mahomes (+105)     LOSS

*Mahomes first TD pass OVER 14.5 yards  (-115)      LOSS

*Mahomes will throw a 3rd quarter TD (+100)      LOSS

*Number of players with a pass attempt OVER 2,5 (+125)     LOSS


*Most receiving yards  Deebo Samuel (+750)     LOSS


*Any TE/WR with 100 yards - YES (-230)      WIN

*Receptions battle - Kelce vs Kittle - KELCE (-120)       WIN


*Total KC rushing yards - OVER 88.5 (-115)       WIN


*Game decided by exactly 3 points -  (+470)     LOSS

*Last play of game a QB kneel    -  NO  (+140)      WIN

*Largest lead of game - UNDER 14.5 points  (-130)     WIN

*Distance of shortest TD scored -  OVER 1.5 yards  (+130)      LOSS

*What happens first - punt or points  -  KC - punt (-130)  WIN    San Fran - punt (-130)   LOSS

*Fumble lost in first half -   YES  (+120)       LOSS


*TD scorers, first/second   -  KITTLE, KELCE  (+3900)     LOSS

*Position of last TD scorer -  WIDE OUT (+180)        LOSS

*Either team TD on opening drive -  NO (-110)           WIN

*Will there be a succesful 2-pt attempt? - NO (-300)     WIN



*Will both teams have the lead, second half -   YES  (+135)      WIN



*Robbie Gould total points -  UNDER 8.5  (-125)    WIN

*Harrison Butker total points -  OVER 8.5  (+110)   LOSS





10-12







Title: Re: NFL
Post by: oilcan on February 02, 2020, 07:22:17 PM
Pat Mahomes sounds almost vulgar.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 02, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Oh well.

I suspect we will see these QBs in the Super Bowl again.

Of course, we've been waiting to see Aaron Rodgers again for a good while now, yet here we are 10 years later. So, maybe not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 02, 2020, 10:14:29 PM
Chick coach's O-line couldn't hold when it mattered

"Let's run it agin, run it agin...."

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 02, 2020, 10:15:57 PM
Chris Myers has UPPED my appreciation for the female sideline reporter.

Shame on FOX
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2020, 10:23:12 PM
Shanny and Jimmy G shit themselves in the 4Q.

should have kept running the ball and clock

dumb.

Good for Andy and Chief fans

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2020, 02:00:55 AM
My stomach is turning.

People I know and respect (in some ways) believe this crap.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/jrvY3yXxfOb5Xf1gpY6-_V5kgMCTw3xY6uD33XvHSOF19967Rn_wdng4UcWKLfNN7TPz9qcmyi_DoR_B7jEzHbJX5wAKoLOHEwR1dB89G8u6wU2BfGuCm8wtdrzjBz66KbsF0aAsWC45ixLKWQ?fbclid=IwAR1E23_GCG10P4stkO1sKeBMsgCxAsgfn-9Rh6jm8dzK3XvxyM71J971TZc)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 03, 2020, 06:38:42 PM
I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.

I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.

No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2020, 07:38:12 AM
I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.

I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.

No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
I sure am! Get rid of all those smug, self righteous bastards in one fell swoop and leave the rest of us sinners conscious of the need to work on our salvation here to muddle through without their hectoring Bull shit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on February 14, 2020, 01:08:44 AM
I’m pretty sure Josh is wound way too tightly.

I'm pretty sure you have no fucking clue what you are talking about here, either, Ward.

No doubt you are waiting for the rapture.
😁😂😁😂
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 20, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
Looks like Greg Robinson is going to be signing with Paul Crewe and the Mean Machine. Not even Willie Nelson could pitch 157 pounds of weed as "personal use".
Title: More playoffs
Post by: Kam on February 20, 2020, 03:20:12 PM
Looks like 7-9 teams coming to a playoff near you
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 17, 2020, 11:20:40 AM
I was priviledged to watch the best that ever was, at arguably the most demanding position in sport, for two decades.

How do you adequately thank the guy who brought you fun and so much excitement, so much joy, and so many championships.

He made my live better.

It sounds dumb but its true.

So thanks Tom you were special and you will be missed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 17, 2020, 06:46:40 PM
I was priviledged to watch the best that ever was, at arguably the most demanding position in sport, for two decades.

How do you adequately thank the guy who brought you fun and so much excitement, so much joy, and so many championships.

He made my life better.

It sounds dumb but its true.

So thanks Tom you were special and you will be missed.

You could write across the sky in letters
that would soar a thousand feet high
"To Sir, with love!"

He made many people's lives better in immeasurable ways.

I hope somebody signs him for what he wants, but if not, I hope he eats his words and returns.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 20, 2020, 11:46:53 AM
Giants nab Ebner, win NFC off season.

Tampa Bay second.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 24, 2020, 03:25:46 PM
So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?

Brady beats Jimmy G in the NFC Championship game, only to find the surprising Patriots, led by Hoyer, waiting for them in the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
Always liked Hoyer. Once a Spartan, always a Spartan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2020, 11:10:02 PM
So banks, you all rolling with Hoyer next year?

Absolutely. He knows the lay of the land and comes on the cheap.

I'm pretty sure BB went after him so Brady couldn't bring him to Tampa Bay.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2020, 11:11:05 PM
Always liked Hoyer. Once a Spartan, always a Spartan.

Or once a Patriot always a Patriot.

This is his 3rd time around.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2020, 11:49:46 PM
He was 10 - 6 as a Browns QB. Which is astonishing.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 25, 2020, 11:27:02 AM
Of course this included the big choke game vs Luck and the Colts in '14.

Pretty good team that year, led by a stout defense.  Too little offfense (12 TD vs 13 picks) though.  Then Hoyer had to bow out, leaving things unfinished.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 01, 2020, 10:36:04 PM
You know your NFL career is not going to head the way you hoped when after Tom Brady leaves the Patriots, they still release you.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/patriots-release-third-string-quarterback-cody-kessler/2101051/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
Robert Kraft sends Pats plane to China to pick-up N-95 masks

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/nation/kraft-family-used-patriots-team-plane-shuttle-protective-masks-china-boston-wsj-reports/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/nation/kraft-family-used-patriots-team-plane-shuttle-protective-masks-china-boston-wsj-reports/)

In an extraordinary move, the Kraft family deployed the New England Patriots team plane to China to fetch more than one million desperately-needed N95 respirator masks used by front-line health care workers to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus, Governor Charlie Baker announced Thursday morning.

Robert Kraft personally purchased 300,000 N95 masks that he plans to provide to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, whose state is an epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.




Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2020, 12:57:44 PM
So...

big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others

NFL Network mock has Simmons falling to TEN, a steal for Browns.

If Giants agree they could deal down to 7, 8 or 9 and get Simmons while adding to their allotment of picks.

Is anyone dealing up for Tua, Herbert, the Iowa tackle or one of the many DBs or WR options - which do come in tiers?

Should Giants do this and LOSE the Iowa tackle AND Simmons, there are still excellent picks to make at the slot they traded down to.

Cant go wrong staying put and selecting one of that duo, true.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 08, 2020, 02:17:04 PM
So...

big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others


Mock draft has Giants trading down just one spot and picking up a 2nd rounder and a future 4th. 
Taking a RT and a OC with their first two picks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-seven-round-2020-nfl-203442613.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-seven-round-2020-nfl-203442613.html)


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2020, 03:26:22 PM
Cool.

Why would Miami go from 5 to 4?  Aren't they taking a QB?

Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.

edit:  Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 08, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
Cool.

Why would Miami go from 5 to 4?  Aren't they taking a QB?

Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.

edit:  Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.

I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt.  Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 08, 2020, 04:30:31 PM
So...

big decisions looming for G-men and Dolphins, among others

NFL Network mock has Simmons falling to TEN, a steal for Browns.

If Giants agree they could deal down to 7, 8 or 9 and get Simmons while adding to their allotment of picks.

Is anyone dealing up for Tua, Herbert, the Iowa tackle or one of the many DBs or WR options - which do come in tiers?

Should Giants do this and LOSE the Iowa tackle AND Simmons, there are still excellent picks to make at the slot they traded down to.

Cant go wrong staying put and selecting one of that duo, true.
The only way we do not take an LT. If Simmons is available, we take him and see what is needed to get 9ne of the second tier LT prospect and sign, say, Jason Peters.for a year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 08, 2020, 04:33:49 PM
Cool.

Why would Miami go from 5 to 4?  Aren't they taking a QB?

Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.

edit:  Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.

I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt.  Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 09, 2020, 01:04:39 AM
Cool.

Why would Miami go from 5 to 4?  Aren't they taking a QB?

Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.

edit:  Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.

I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt.  Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.

Trading down one or at most two spots, acquire more draft picks, and still get your choice of Wirfs Wills or Bechton.  Seems like a no-lose situation. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 09, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
Cool.

Why would Miami go from 5 to 4?  Aren't they taking a QB?

Maurice Jones-Drew has Giants moving up for Chase Young after Chargers trade up to the #2 slot for Tua.

edit:  Oh, I see - Miami moves up so Chargers cannot - bidding war LAC and Miami. Could happen.

I think it's more likely they trade down than up but i won't complain either way.
I think standing pat would be poor mgmt.  Leverage these QB hungry teams.
Depends how much better you think, say, Wirfs is than the next best prospect. If he is your guy, you cannot.trade.far down and let Arizona or Cleveland jump you.

Trading down one or at most two spots, acquire more draft picks, and still get your choice of Wirfs Wills or Bechton.  Seems like a no-lose situation.
Dont forget Thomas. But.you are talking about the OL prospects as being roughly equal. Again, if your talent evaluation has one of them much better than the other three, you do not want to lose him for a 2 or 3.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 09, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
True.

Thuis as I said - its all offer dependent.

Shit - I would take Tua - open up so many options.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 09, 2020, 01:16:40 PM
True.

Thuis as I said - its all offer dependent.

Shit - I would take Tua - open up so many options.
My own guess is Tua is gone at 3. If Detroit trades back to 5 or 6 they can probably still choose between Okhuda or Simmons, or at worst get one of them, and auctioning the Tua slot between San Angeles and Miami should get enough return.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 09, 2020, 02:30:47 PM
Very true

Unless LAC go all the way to 2.

Then DET gets Young - unless as MJ Drew says Giants deal up with Lions to get him.

MJD also had the shocker of HERBERT being picked by the Bengals, not Burrow, with the LSU QB going I believe to the Fins.

NFL.com for details.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2020, 04:05:02 PM
So...

Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.

And likely to take a backup QB round 1.

Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)
Title: Wonderlic scores
Post by: Kam on April 17, 2020, 04:17:23 PM
2020 QB Scores:

Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13


2019 Scores:

43 Ryan Finley (re-test; scored 28 the first time)
42 Gardner Minshew
37 Daniel Jones
32 Easton Stick
32 Clayton Thorson
31 Trace McSorley
30 Will Grier
28 Brett Rypien
27 Jarrett Stidham
26 Drew Lock
25 Tyree Jackson
25 Dwayne Haskins
22 Sean McGuire
20 Kyler Murray

2018 QBs:

Josh Allen: 37
Josh Rosen: 29
Sam Darnold: 28
Baker Mayfield: 25
Lamar Jackson: 13
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 17, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
So...

Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.

And likely to take a backup QB round 1.

Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)

NFL actually compensates teams when they lose a FA.  Had they signed anyone they'd stand to have fewer comp picks.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul (https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul)
Title: Re: Wonderlic scores
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2020, 05:10:58 PM
2020 QB Scores:

Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13


2019 Scores:

43 Ryan Finley (re-test; scored 28 the first time)
42 Gardner Minshew
37 Daniel Jones
32 Easton Stick
32 Clayton Thorson
31 Trace McSorley
30 Will Grier
28 Brett Rypien
27 Jarrett Stidham
26 Drew Lock
25 Tyree Jackson
25 Dwayne Haskins
22 Sean McGuire
20 Kyler Murray

2018 QBs:

Josh Allen: 37
Josh Rosen: 29
Sam Darnold: 28
Baker Mayfield: 25
Lamar Jackson: 13

Wow

Is Wunderlich racially biased?


I like Fromm for the Steelers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2020, 05:14:13 PM
So...

Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.

And likely to take a backup QB round 1.

Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)

NFL actually compensates teams when they lose a FA.  Had they signed anyone they'd stand to have fewer comp picks.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul (https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-projected-receive-best-2020-compensatory-nfl-draft-pick-haul)

That's fine

Still no second rounder

If they take the development QB in first round.....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 17, 2020, 05:43:46 PM
So...

Patriots lose 4 of the top 100 free agents - and add zero.

And likely to take a backup QB round 1.

Could be a rough year (pray for cancellation, Bank)

I hope the NFL can get off the ground in '20, if they do its going to be a made for TV poduct.

Its 60/40 they will play, but my expectations are pretty low for the Pats.

Tough schedule and lots of questions re personnel.

They're clearly in rebuild mode.

Bills should be favored in the AFC East.

And the lost players to FA will probably turn into 2 comp 3rd rounders and a sixth next year (like this year)

If NFL plays this year, I'm more interested in TB12 in Tampa and whether he can get them into the post-season.
Title: The Return of Gronk
Post by: josh on April 21, 2020, 07:17:54 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/rob-gronkowski-trade-nfl-spt-trnd/index.html

Gronk back in the NFL, in TB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 21, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
I hope the NFL can get off the ground in '20, if they do its going to be a made for TV poduct.


GOING TO be?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 21, 2020, 09:45:28 PM
And if they do play it's going to have mind-boggling TV ratings.
Title: Re: The Return of Gronk
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 21, 2020, 09:47:32 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/rob-gronkowski-trade-nfl-spt-trnd/index.html

Gronk back in the NFL, in TB.

I cringe...

I guess its better than his muckng up the WWE
Title: Mr. Irrelevant
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
https://www.giants.com/news/the-irrelevant-giant-story-of-john-tuggle-mr-irrelevant-1983-nfl-draft (https://www.giants.com/news/the-irrelevant-giant-story-of-john-tuggle-mr-irrelevant-1983-nfl-draft)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
Final mocks for Giants (via NF.com)


Jeremiah -    WIRFS

Schrager -    WILLS

Zierlein -     WIRFS

Casserly -    WILLS


Kid8 -       SIMMONS
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Can't believe they are making us watch Dr Fauci.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:31:24 PM
I could make some of these Joe Burreaux throws they are showing

Cannot wait to see him against the Steelers and Ravens defense.
Title: Andrew Thomas
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 08:52:02 PM
I'm fine with the pick. I guess there was no deal to be made to trade down enough spots where a stud OT would still be there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:55:06 PM
Yeah - sucked that there were 2 QBs of just about equal worth - Hebert and Tua - and thus G-men couldnt pit MIA and LAC against each other.

Nobody was dealing up for a tackle

Were they dealing up for a Derek Brown?  Maybe - but would have been costly to go all the way to 4.

Perfect storm for Dolphins - if they pass on Tua - just a shit show.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
This "sit him for a year" is bullshit with Tua.

Wildcat, baby.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:01:56 PM
Could Chargers deal down here?  Or is it too worrisome that OAK may then deal up for Herbert?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 09:14:03 PM
Your guy Simmons is dropping.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:15:46 PM
Dropped only behind Brown, a great player

Paying close attention to ATL this year
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:27:41 PM
WIRFS dropping

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:37:06 PM
Jets must really love Becton.  But wasnt he flagged for a drug?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
WIRFS dropping

heh

I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs.  That's a head scratcher.  I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: luee on April 23, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
strange pick for the jints. Jets as well. Stuck in mediocrity. Out of play-offs forever.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
WIRFS dropping

heh

I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs.  That's a head scratcher.  I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.

I am not seeing one as measurably better than the other.

May have seen something they liked in the interviews.  I am almost CERTAIN Giants did with Thomas.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 10:22:20 PM
strange pick for the jints. Jets as well. Stuck in mediocrity. Out of play-offs forever.

What was strange about the Giants pick, that it was OL or that it wasn't one of the other OL-men?

Three straight years now with Top 10 picks and the G-men take a RB a QB and an OT. 

Hopefully set at these very important positions for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 24, 2020, 09:22:47 AM
WIRFS dropping

heh

I don't see why the Jets took Becton over Wirfs.  That's a head scratcher.  I'm sure Tom Brady is happy Wirfs was there.

I am not seeing one as measurably better than the other.

May have seen something they liked in the interviews.  I am almost CERTAIN Giants did with Thomas.
Supposedly Thomas had the cleanest film, especially if you wanted a left tackle.

4 might have been a hard pick to sell, with the two teams needing QB sitting right behind. Who else was going to move up, that would not involve the Giants moving too far down? Besides, Gettleman's rep is he does not trade down.

I wanted Thomas or a trade down, but the Browns analytics really like Willis. Or so they say. I am just hoping they didn't ask some homeless guy this time.
Title: NFC East
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb.  Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR.  The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor. 


--


And whats with the Packers trading up to draft a QB?  Aaron Rodgers must be fuming.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 24, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
It's good.to be da King...sbury:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1253477953251340288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37968295452364088083.ampproject.net%2F2004172112280%2Fframe.html
Title: Re: NFC East
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb.  Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR.  The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor. 


--


And whats with the Packers trading up to draft a QB?  Aaron Rodgers must be fuming.

Were you watching?

Reagor looks downright electric.

I dont read as much into the Packers situation that others do.  Pack had to take a QB soon - this year next, the year after....... and this guy was seen as a great value at the 26. 

And if they suddenly start losing - and like what they see in camp/seesions with Love - Rodgers certainly has trade value- or they could just Brady him spring of  '21 or '22.
Title: Raegor
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 04:08:10 PM
Reagor looks to be an all or nothing type asset. There are some weeks where he looks like what Percy Harvin was supposed to be, other weeks where he looks like what Percy Harvin actually was. His hands are shaky at best, his routes don’t match his movement skills, and he doesn’t play big. He has first round burst and big play potential, but there is so much more to it than that.

Philly gambled on his upside.  But seemed unnecessary with so many WRs available.  Simply a reach.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 04:26:15 PM
a)  they were taking a WR



b)  they liked him best



- kick returning likely factored in.  And I wouldn't be surprised to see him on quite a few WR screens and running plays



If he is a bust, good for us.  But has an NFL pedigree and I'd be surprised if he doesn't help them.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 07:21:01 PM
Coiuple of mocks I have seen have Patriots snagging Jake Fromm just ahead of Pittsburgh, at pick 100 (Steelers then grab an edge rusher)

I'd be OK wither way but I like Fromm.  Could be we are OK with Rudolph anyway.
Title: Re: NFC East
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 12:08:43 AM
The Dreadskins took Chase Young, and the G-Men took Andrew Thomas in a bid to slow him down.
Dallas got a really good WR in CC Lamb.  Maybe the #1 WR (although Ruggs and Jeudy were taken before him respectively)
Four picks later and without another WR being selected the Eagles drafted by some accounts a 2nd or 3rd rd WR.  The 5'11 Jalen Raeghor. 



Eagles take a QB in RD2.  Wow im loving the Eagles draft for the rest of the NFC East.

Eagles fans are melting down
https://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/763155-round-2-53-eagles-select-oklahoma-qb-jalen-hurts/ (https://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/763155-round-2-53-eagles-select-oklahoma-qb-jalen-hurts/)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 12:33:22 AM
Coiuple of mocks I have seen have Patriots snagging Jake Fromm just ahead of Pittsburgh, at pick 100 (Steelers then grab an edge rusher)

I'd be OK wither way but I like Fromm.  Could be we are OK with Rudolph anyway.

Steelers get Highsmith

I like what I see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 12:35:50 AM
Kentucky QB/WR would have been perfect for Giants - but the UCONN kid is a beast eh?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 12:37:38 AM
Giants also need a LB, no?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 12:51:38 AM
Giants also need a LB, no?

They do but they should keep building the offense.  C and WR.  Invest in Daniel Jones.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2020, 10:46:33 AM
watching the draft the first couple of days was more entertaining than I thought, of course my point of refererence this year in quarantine might skew my POV.

in any case BB was playing checkers jumping trading down and out of the first, but trading up and down in the 2nd and 3rd, all to find some incremental value or prove he's the smartest guy on Nantucket I think he was a little bored too. The shot of his dog manning (Eli?) his computer cracked me up. BB enjoys trolling us.

I think the takeaways from the Pats draft so far is that BB thinks a tough fast D can win and poses the questions do you really need a star QB? If a dog can do BB's job, can a dog do a GOAT''s?

Seems he's going to give Stidham a chance to grow into the job, or put himself or his pooch in the position of drafting a QB next year.

Stay healthy and stay home.

And for those who enjoy libations while they're in isolation

THE DONALD DAQUIRI

perfect for those lazy, crazy hazy daze of summer as we wait for football season

3 parts Clorox

1 part rum

1 part simpleton syrup

garnish with slice of lime

chill, swill

kill the virus!




Title: 'skins only made two good picks
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
Washington Redskins 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND   OVERALL   PLAYER SELECTED   GRADE
2   EDGE Chase Young, Ohio State   A
66   RB Antonio Gibson, Memphis   C
108   OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU   C+
142  WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty  A
156  OL Keith Ismael, San Diego State   C
162  LB Khaleke Hudson, Michigan   C-
216   S Kamren Curl, Arkansas C-
229  DE James Smith-Williams, NC State C
Title: Eagles draft board: bad early good late
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:28:54 PM
1   21   WR Jalen Reagor, TCU   B
2   53   QB Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma   C+
3   103^   LB Davion Taylor, Colorado   A
4   127   S K'Von Wallace, Clemson   A
4   145^   OL Jack Driscoll, Auburn   B-
5   168*   WR John Hightower, Boise State   A
6   196*   LB Shaun Bradley, Temple   B-
6   200*   WR Quez Watkins, Southern Miss   C+
6   210*   OT Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn   A
7   233*   LB Casey Toohill, Stanford  A
Title: Cowboys get high marks for draft
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
1   17   WR CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma   B+
2   51   CB Trevon Diggs, Alabama   B+
3   82   DL Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma   A
4   123   CB Reggie Robinson II, Tulsa  C+
4   146    C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin   A
5   179   DE Bradlee Anae, Utah   A
7   231   QB Ben DiNucci, James Madison C-
Title: Giants draft: Clustered Oline early, LBs late, and a couple corners
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
New York Giants 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND   OVERALL   PLAYER SELECTED   GRADE
1   4   OT Andrew Thomas, Georgia   B+
2   36   S Xavier McKinney, Alabama   A
3   99   OT Matt Peart, UConn   A
4   110   CB Darnay Holmes, UCLA   A-
5   150   G Shane Lemieux, Oregon   B-
6   183   LB Cam Brown, Penn State   C+
7   218   LB Carter Coughlin, Minnesota   A
7   238   LB T.J. Brunson, South Carolina C-
7   247 CB Chris Williamson, Minnesota B-
7   255 LB Tae Crowder, Georgia C-
Title: Re: 'skins only made two good picks
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 10:18:05 PM
Washington Redskins 2020 draft picks tracker
ROUND   OVERALL   PLAYER SELECTED   GRADE
2   EDGE Chase Young, Ohio State   A
66   RB Antonio Gibson, Memphis   C
108   OT Saahdiq Charles, LSU   C+
142  WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty  A
156  OL Keith Ismael, San Diego State   C
162  LB Khaleke Hudson, Michigan   C-
216   S Kamren Curl, Arkansas C-
229  DE James Smith-Williams, NC State C

Add TE Thaddeus Moss (Randy's Kid) as an UDFA
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 27, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
True fact of interest only to me: in signing UDFA Brian Lewerke, the New England Patriots now have the first and the last quarterback of Mark Dantonio's tenure at MSU. Both named Brian.
Title: NFL.com: 2020 NFL Draft class rankings (from 1 to 32)
Post by: Kam on May 02, 2020, 11:29:35 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112509/article/2020-nfl-draft-class-rankings-ravens-cowboys-vikes-clean-up (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112509/article/2020-nfl-draft-class-rankings-ravens-cowboys-vikes-clean-up)

A+ to A- (11 teams)
B+ to B- (12 teams)
C+ to C- (8 teams)
D+ to D- (1 team)

The NFC East
Dallas Cowboys (A+)
New York Giants (B+)
Washington Redskins (B)
Philadelphia Eagles (C)
Title: Worst draft: Green Bay
Post by: Kam on May 02, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
RANK

32

PACKERS: D
» Round 1: (No. 26 overall) Jordan Love, QB, Utah State.
» Round 2: (62) AJ Dillon, RB, Boston College.
» Round 3: (94) Josiah Deguara, TE, Cincinnati.
» Round 5: (175) Kamal Martin, LB, Minnesota.
» Round 6: (192) Jon Runyan, OG, Michigan; (208) Jake Hanson, C, Oregon; (209) Simon Stepaniak, OG, Indiana.
» Round 7: (236) Vernon Scott, DB, TCU; (242) Jonathan Garvin, Edge, Miami (Fla.).

FILICE: Palace intrigue in Titletown!

By now, you've heard all the juicy anecdotes surrounding Green Bay's stunning, STOP-THE-PRESSES selection of Love. But let's quickly review, because the drama here runs thick:

-- On draft day, Aaron Rodgers shared his Round 1 wishes with former punter/current sports talker Pat McAfee: "We haven't picked a skill player in the first round in 15 years, so that would be kind of cool." The Packers responded by ... trading up to draft his eventual replacement.
-- Of Rodgers' 364 career touchdown passes, exactly one has landed in the hands of a first-round pick. ( A 1-yard toss this past December to Marcedes Lewis, a former first-round pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars.)
-- Supreme Packers scribe Bob McGinn offered his thoughts on the sitch in a piece on The Athletic after the draft: Public niceties aside, my sense is (head coach Matt) LaFleur, fresh from a terrific 13-3 baptismal season, simply had enough of Rodgers' act and wanted to change the narrative. With a first-round talent on the roster, the Packers would gain leverage with their imperial quarterback and his passive-aggressive style.
-- Supreme Packers icon Brett Favre offered his thoughts on the sitch in an appearance on the Rich Eisen Show after a conversation with Rodgers: " Tom Brady, and myself, Joe Montana and Peyton Manning, just to name a few, finished their career elsewhere. ... I think you're going to see that trend more and more, and I think Aaron will finish somewhere else."

Well alright! Now, to Rodgers' credit, Love said the two-time league MVP reached out to him on Friday to offer congratulations. Good on Rodgers. But you have to imagine he's absolutely livid right now -- and it's hard to blame him. The Pack spent their second-round pick on a hulking power back and their third-rounder on an H-back, while failing to snag a single receiver in a draft class that's purportedly historically deep at the position. Is Green Bay becoming ... a run-first operation? When you add everything up, it's impossible not to be utterly obsessed with the ...

Palace intrigue in Titletown!


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
Idiots.

(I mean the critics)
Title: Second lowest grade
Post by: Kam on May 02, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Patriots : )
Title: Beyond stupid
Post by: Kam on May 14, 2020, 09:40:43 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29176557/nfl-cornerbacks-deandre-baker-quinton-dunbar-wanted-armed-robbery-charges (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29176557/nfl-cornerbacks-deandre-baker-quinton-dunbar-wanted-armed-robbery-charges)
Title: Drew Brees - apologizes for his ignorance
Post by: Kam on June 04, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/sport/drew-brees-apology-nfl-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/sport/drew-brees-apology-nfl-spt-intl/index.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 05, 2020, 10:49:16 AM
Jake Fromm's NFL career is looking to be epically short.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 05, 2020, 11:11:13 AM
I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 05, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
No, but Cody Kessler's career was well within his reach. Absent, of course, the "Only elite white people should block for you" response he is likely to get in the locker room.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2020, 03:08:04 PM
I doubt he would have ever been an elite QB.
No, but Cody Kessler's career was well within his reach. Absent, of course, the "Only elite white people should block for you" response he is likely to get in the locker room.

I just heard the Fromm story.

JFC

Does Fromm have General Rommel and his Panzer Division protecting his blind side?

Munich 32, Seig, hut hut
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on June 05, 2020, 06:16:32 PM
Jake?  Fromm State farm.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
Goodell takes a knee

apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest

4 years too late

but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on June 06, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Goodell takes a knee

apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest

4 years too late

but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind

Neglects to mention Kap at all.

Taking fire on that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 06, 2020, 05:27:26 PM
Goodell takes a knee

apologizes over NFL's stance re Kap's protest

4 years too late

but he sees the wind of change and takes the wind

Neglects to mention Kap at all.

Taking fire on that.

Rog is not a man of great moral courage.

As per a late Friday news dump release on the issue.

There is only saw far he will accept culpability.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 08, 2020, 07:18:50 PM
Giants do the right thing:

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/08/new-york-giants-owners-attended-team-meeting-on-racial-injustice/ (https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/08/new-york-giants-owners-attended-team-meeting-on-racial-injustice/)

AS do Pats: https://www.wwlp.com/news/top-stories/patriots-pledge-1-million-to-social-justice-causes/ (https://www.wwlp.com/news/top-stories/patriots-pledge-1-million-to-social-justice-causes/)

Of course the Jets did this back in 2018.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
Terrell Owens accuses Steve Mariucci of systemic racism:

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/06/black-lives-matter-ex-eagle-terrell-owens-accuses-49ers-steve-mariucci-of-systemic-racism.html (https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/06/black-lives-matter-ex-eagle-terrell-owens-accuses-49ers-steve-mariucci-of-systemic-racism.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on June 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on June 15, 2020, 11:01:46 PM
Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.

Texans: Don't mess with Texas

COVID: Hold my beer
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.

Someone violated HIPAA.

Jerry Jones?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on June 16, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Ezekiel Elliott has COVID-19, along with other teammates and some Houston Texans.

Someone violated HIPAA.

Jerry Jones?

https://sports.yahoo.com/ezekiel-elliott-upset-about-covid-19-diagnosis-going-public-184043731.html

His agent, from the sounds of it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 20, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Jim Kiicks the bucket: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/two-time-super-bowl-champion-jim-kiick-dies-at-73/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/two-time-super-bowl-champion-jim-kiick-dies-at-73/)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2020, 08:30:20 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12)

I'm not a Newton fan, although when he was healthy he gave the Pats headaches.

maybe its a Stidham motivator.

Separately being reported Pats fined $1.1m and lose 3rd rounder for Bengal gate.

Dumb fucks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2020, 11:15:12 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/28/sports/patriots-sign-qb-cam-newton-one-year-deal-per-report/?event=event12)

I'm not a Newton fan, although when he was healthy he gave the Pats headaches.

maybe its a Stidham motivator.

Separately being reported Pats fined $1.1m and lose 3rd rounder for Bengal gate.

Dumb fucks.

Will Boston embrace a black QB?

All over Twitter, comments like this:

https://twitter.com/ClaytonMistler/status/1277416975514447872?s=20 (https://twitter.com/ClaytonMistler/status/1277416975514447872?s=20)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2020, 11:50:54 PM
any QB following the GOAT is not in an enviable position.

But if Newton can still play and play hard, he'll have no problem
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 28, 2020, 11:52:37 PM
I'm assuming Boston fans will treat Newton as well as Philly fans treated Richie Allen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2020, 08:26:09 AM
I'm assuming Boston fans will treat Newton as well as Philly fans treated Richie Allen.

Gee, there's a fair comparison. Likely Boston is about 50 years behind Philly.

Then there's Yankee fans. Ask Delino DeShields, JR.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-delino-deshields-yankee-stadium-racism-20200609-yxczfgooxbg7ppajovbum3mxie-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-delino-deshields-yankee-stadium-racism-20200609-yxczfgooxbg7ppajovbum3mxie-story.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 29, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
 So good to have you back.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
And there were these Yfans:https://www.bardown.com/yankees-fan-ejected-after-crossing-the-line-with-very-personal-greinke-bullpen-taunts-1.1383515 (https://www.bardown.com/yankees-fan-ejected-after-crossing-the-line-with-very-personal-greinke-bullpen-taunts-1.1383515)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2020, 09:40:11 AM
Bugel silenced. Hugs mourn.

https://sports.yahoo.com/legendary-washington-offensive-line-coach-joe-bugel-famous-for-the-hogs-dies-at-80-190422524.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/legendary-washington-offensive-line-coach-joe-bugel-famous-for-the-hogs-dies-at-80-190422524.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
They've already started in Boston .

https://sports.yahoo.com/welcome-to-boston-cam-newton-he-can-already-hear-the-dog-whistles-and-trite-criticism-204248832.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/welcome-to-boston-cam-newton-he-can-already-hear-the-dog-whistles-and-trite-criticism-204248832.html)

We welcome you to Boston, with this laurel, and hardy handshake, our new....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2020, 11:41:50 AM
Utley and Boston Sports radio lucked out

there is no real sports news anywhere

so Boston Sports radio for better or worse (and Felger trolls his audience something fierce with hot takes and he admits it) has something of interest to talk about 

The Pats sign a former MVP to replace a former MVP, so questions of fit and culture Newton or Stidham are naturals to discuss, as any sports fan might.

Its fair game

But for a troll its just material to mine

SSDD

lucky us
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
You wonder if other (read "not black") QBs would get this kind of scrutiny, if they had signed with the Pats.

Here's another one exploring the question of whether he can handle to vaunted  "Patriot Way".



https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 02, 2020, 03:04:24 PM
You wonder if other (read "not black") QBs would get this kind of scrutiny, if they had signed with the Pats.

Here's another one exploring the question of whether he can handle to vaunted  "Patriot Way".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29388634/when-comes-winning-cam-newton-patriot-way-perfect-fit)

Gee, you must have missed the lengthy discussion of Jason Stidham in the Boston and NE sports media and about whether he can handle things.

He got less attention about his injuries, though, to be fair.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
click-bait there's almost literally nothing to talk about

if you go to the Ringer NFL front page there are 10 articles or podcasts devoted to Newton to the Pats.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl (https://www.theringer.com/nfl)

And race is discussed because its a raging front page issue now and Boston unfortunately has a past with a few idiot racists.

So do other cities but those cities are less visible and less successful than the Boston teams in general,

So its a good target, its get attention, and it attracts trolls who have little else to talk about.

In any case, as to real substance, rather than Utleyesque value-free BS

Most observers think BB got a steal with his 1-yr signing of Newton.

and as posted here numerous times BB is probsably the NFL's best known value investor. He looks for depressed assets at below book value prices.

Sometimes he hits sometimes not.

I suspect if Newton's healthy he'll bust his ass to become the player he once was. As he's playing for next big contract.

But he'll still have the challenge of following the GOAT-never an easy task for anyone, black or white. .

And he's got to win over a veteran the locker-room that knows about winning with his ability and leadership

I was not not big on his theatrics, the Superman BS, and celebrating 1st downs, but if he plays hard he'll make a lot of friends in NE.

But if he backs away from a loose ball on the ground he'll catch heat, and righly so, and race will have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 04:24:43 PM
https://youtu.be/kAJZpuImQNg (https://youtu.be/kAJZpuImQNg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-cut-two-weeks-off-2020-preseason-schedule-could-end-up-canceling-all-preseason-games/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-cut-two-weeks-off-2020-preseason-schedule-could-end-up-canceling-all-preseason-games/)

Do season ticket holders get a refund?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
Change the name, if you want that stadium, Washington.
https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2020, 05:15:09 PM
Change the name, if you want that stadium, Washington.
https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owner-dan-snyder-cant-build-new-stadium-at-rfk-site-unless-team-changes-its-name-170106907.html)

Snyder is considering changing the team's name from Redskins to Rebels.

But don't ask what the team's uniforms and banner looks like. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2020, 05:17:53 PM
NFL wants fans to be unwaivering in their support, but first

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/)

Daniel Kaplan of TheAthletic.com reports that the league is considering a requirement that fans sign liability waivers protecting the league from lawsuits based on contracting COVID-19. The potential waiver “likely” will be forwarded to teams by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 02, 2020, 05:24:51 PM
NFL wants fans to be unwaivering in their support, but first

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-nfl-may-require-fans-to-sign-a-covid-19-waiver/)

Daniel Kaplan of TheAthletic.com reports that the league is considering a requirement that fans sign liability waivers protecting the league from lawsuits based on contracting COVID-19. The potential waiver “likely” will be forwarded to teams by the middle of next week.

Good enough for Trump's reelection committee, good enough for his friend Roger.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2020, 05:27:11 PM
a few weeks ago the Pats anounced season ticket refunds were available

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/patriots-covid-19-coronavirus-season-tickets-2020-season/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/patriots-covid-19-coronavirus-season-tickets-2020-season/)

FOXBORO (AP) — The New England Patriots are offering season ticket holders at an elevated risk of COVID-19 infection the chance to skip the 2020 season entirely and still hold onto their seats for the next year.

From what i've heard anecdotally its avaialbe to all season ticket holders who request the refund.

It makes sense on a number of bases

1-Pats look sympathetic to the fans who may be out of work and cash strapped
2-Pats look realistic towards the impact of CV and social distance seating
3-If fans can self-select out of tickets for a year, the Pats don't have to send out (as many) letters to long-time season ticket holders telling them due to social distance seating, you're SOL-see you next year.


the NYFG offered a similar refund plan earlier this week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 03, 2020, 09:09:32 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/new-england-patriots-fan-steals-27-new-york-giants-super-bowl-rings-2008-heist-033417903.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/new-england-patriots-fan-steals-27-new-york-giants-super-bowl-rings-2008-heist-033417903.html)

The New York Giants topped the New England Patriots 17-14 in Super Bowl XLII in 2008, marking the first of Eli Manning’s two Super Bowl wins in his career.

One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.

According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 03, 2020, 10:33:58 AM

One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.

According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.[/i]

I get why he stole them. (Stupid.)

I'm amused that he claims to still have some and plans to wear one.

But... why on earth is this in the news in 2020?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2020, 11:40:32 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/sean-murphy-super-bowl-rings-thief/?srnd=heist-issue (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/sean-murphy-super-bowl-rings-thief/?srnd=heist-issue)

The long-story makes for a fascinating read.

Its like a script pitch for a "The Town" type movie, the Affleck flick about Charlestown bank robbers who took on Fenway Park.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 03, 2020, 01:09:31 PM

One Patriots fans apparently felt so robbed after that loss that he decided to take matters into his own hands.

According to Bloomberg’s Zeke Faux, career “cat burglar” Sean Murphy and an accomplice stole 27 of the Giants’ rings from a jewelry store simply because he didn’t think the Giants deserved them.[/i]

I get why he stole them. (Stupid.)

I'm amused that he claims to still have some and plans to wear one.

But... why on earth is this in the news in 2020?!

Good question.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2020, 09:34:00 PM
Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?

Maybe to honor both an important Washington institution, Congress, and an important corporate sponsor, which seems to be the real driver to this exercise,
how about the The Washington ConFeds?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on July 03, 2020, 11:03:57 PM
The DC Comics
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 04, 2020, 12:33:04 AM
The DC Comics

And we could rename the Giants to be the Marvels.

Or at least the Antmen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
Guesses on a new name for the Redskins?

The Washington Subpoenas. Because the fans should sue for what they've been forced to watch. The Washington Fillabusters. Because maybe they should be stopped from taking the field.  The Washington Gridlock. Because team is going nowhere. The Washington Monuments. Because they play like there standing still and the team should be torn down.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2020, 11:09:32 AM
As a tip of the cap to Washington's legendary O-line, the Hogs", how about the Washington Pork Barrels?

or the Wahington Lobbyists?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
Maybe the best name is the Weathervanes. The team would always just fit in with the prevailing winds of change. After all, these days, you don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
From CBS sports:

Redtails
This is the name that won a design contest several years ago, and honestly, I dig it. It's a nod to the planes flown by the Tuskegee Airmen, an all-Black squadron of fighter and bomber pilots who fought in World War II and were the first Black military aviators in the United States Armed Forces. Three of the first five admitted Airmen were from Washington, which gives the Redtails name a specific connection to the city. The team could easily keep the colors and the "R" logo, while also transitioning from a name with potential negative connotations to one with extremely positive connotations that honors the city, the armed services, and Black America.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Redtails works on a lot of bases.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 01:41:49 PM
Redtails works on a lot of bases.
Yeah, I like it.

One of my friends said it should be the Potomacs. Not a bad name, until you consider it is a "European spelling of an Algonquian name, variously claimed to mean "river of swans", "place where people trade" or "place to which tribute is brought". The natives called the river above the falls Cohongorooton, "river of geese", and that area was renowned in early years for an abundance of both geese and swans. The spelling of the name has been simplified over the years from Patawomeke to Patowmack in the 18th century and now Potomac. The river's name was officially determined as Potomac by the Board on Geographic Names in 1931."
Title: Washington Redskins Change Name
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 05:03:22 AM
https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M
Title: Re: Washington Redskins Change Name
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 05, 2020, 07:50:06 AM
https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M

LOL!!

On a more serious note, I like that Redtails name.
Title: Re: Washington Redskins Change Name
Post by: bankshot1 on July 05, 2020, 10:55:30 AM
https://sports.theonion.com/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-d-c-redsk-1819575691?fbclid=IwAR2wZJxzHVbWANNILdtVpEOicJCm5tJpp7NlbdStg1m_ab0MU2uc16UYy_M

I'm half expecting Snyder to say,

"After engaging highly regarded consulting firms, marketing firms, and investment banks, and undertaking exhaustive studies including conducting hundreds of interviews with large corporations, local businesses, and hundreds of loyal and concerned season ticket holders, I've given the matter the serious and careful deliberation it deserves, and I have concluded that I really like the name and the logo, so fuck off.

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail Victory!
Braves on the Warpath!
Fight for old D.C.!

GO SKINS

Sincerely

Chief Dan Snyder

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 05, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/minority-owners-want-sell-stakes-redskins/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/minority-owners-want-sell-stakes-redskins/?event=event12)

The three minority owners of the Washington Redskins are attempting to sell their stakes in the National Football League franchise, people familiar with the deliberations told the Washington Post. According to one of those people, the owners — Robert Rothman, Dwight Schar and Frederick Smith — hired an investment banking firm to conduct the search for potential buyers, in large part because they are ‘‘not happy being a partner'' of majority owner Daniel Snyder."

If the 3 partners change their minds and rescind their decision to sell would they...


NM
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2020, 04:28:23 PM
Chiefs reportrdly sign Mahomes to 10 year contract.

no details yet

10/450? more?

But the guaranteed dough can't be much more the 4 yrs $150-$160MM, right?

security for insecure times
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on July 08, 2020, 12:38:47 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcVZuhxWAAMR9dj?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 08, 2020, 09:44:04 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/antisemitism?src=hashtag_click (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/antisemitism?src=hashtag_click)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 09, 2020, 08:40:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Edelman11/status/1281209187310149632?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Edelman11/status/1281209187310149632?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Nice sermon by Rabbi Edelman on empathy, understanding, uncomfortable conversations and tasty burgers.

good job Jules

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCa321fgixi/ (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCa321fgixi/)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Redskin's no more

Name and logo to go to happy hunting ground

New name TBA.

Washington TBAs?

go figure.

I liked Redtails.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 13, 2020, 10:02:55 AM
Redskin's no more

Name and logo to go to happy hunting ground

New name TBA.

Washington TBAs?

go figure.

I liked Redtails.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/sports/football/washington-redskins-new-name.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)

Swamp Things

Think of the merch!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
According to those who follow socisl media-RedWolves is gaining traction.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 13, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
I read that the name.was already chosen, but there were.rights issues being resolved.

I am hoping for the Washington Generals.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2020, 11:28:53 AM
In that vein, I posted here or elsewhere (I don't remember) that the trouble with the "Generals" is that was the name of Trump's USFL team, and fuck that guy.

However IMO the Washington Red Klottz would work in many ways.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 13, 2020, 11:49:33 AM
In that vein, I posted here or elsewhere (I don't remember) that the trouble with the "Generals" is that was the name of Trump's USFL team, and fuck that guy.

However IMO the Washington Red Klottz would work in many ways.
I was going for "Incompetent at Sports Since 1952"!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
it would make for a great PR marketing logo

you should trade-mark it.

but you gotta be quick, apparently thats a new cottage industry in DC, beating Snyder to the TM office.

I remeneber cracking up as a kid when my dad told me about the DC baseball team and the saying, "1st in war, 1st in peace and last in the American league"

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 13, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
There probably won't be any football at all anyways. So they
ve got another year to come up with their snappy name.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 13, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
There probably won't be any football at all anyways. So they
ve got another year to come up with their snappy name.

The Washington Unrepresenteds
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Rumors of a "Redskin" FO sex/sexual harassment and worse scandal have been bubbling for about a week-supposedly its going to go public today or Friday.  Some speculate the nature of the scandal could lead to a forced sale of the team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
Washington Foreskins?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29474652/sources-washington-team-hires-attorney-review-protocols (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29474652/sources-washington-team-hires-attorney-review-protocols)

Washington's NFL team has hired D.C. attorney Beth Wilkinson of Wilkinson Walsh LLP to review the organization's protocols, including its culture, policies and allegations of workplace misconduct, Wilkinson confirmed in a statement on Thursday.


Wilkinson has represented the NFL in a lawsuit challenging the league's Sunday Ticket Package and has also successfully represented the NCAA and Major League Baseball in class-action suits.

While Wilkinson is expected to conduct a deep dive into the organization's past culture, team officials are highly upset and frustrated about ongoing online speculation, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Sources told Schefter that The Washington Post is preparing a story about the team that is expected to highlight the culture that existed and some of the problems that were created.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/)

The Washington Weinsteins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
If some of rumors I heard the lsdty few days are true

Washingtom Epsteins


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 16, 2020, 09:07:17 PM
Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
The WAPO story via the Globe

sexual harrassment and verbal abuse

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)



Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.

Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Echo4 on July 16, 2020, 10:50:37 PM
The WAPO story via the Globe

sexual harrassment and verbal abuse

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)



Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.

Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.


Sure explains why any name ending in "tail" is not going to... fly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2020, 11:44:49 PM
The WAPO story via the Globe

sexual harrassment and verbal abuse

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/16/sports/15-women-accuse-former-washington-redskins-employees-sexual-harassment-verbal-abuse/?event=event12)



Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.

Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club's longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team's director of pro personnel.


Sure explains why any name ending in "tail" is not going to... fly.

Thats funny-earlier today I posted this TIC comment at SoSH

Quote from: bankshot1, post: 3946530, member: 9

I heard "Redtails" is out

and Piece of tail is gaining traction


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 17, 2020, 07:52:27 AM
Sad Tale is what it is.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
Washington Football Team gets the nod until a more permanent name evolves.

WFT

as someone else noted, "thats pretty close to what DC fans have been saying for years"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
Washington Football Team gets the nod until a more permanent name evolves.

WFT

as someone else noted, "thats pretty close to what DC fans have been saying for years"
True.  Except "Football" has been in quotes.  It will again be this year.  If there is a this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on August 23, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905914-some-nfl-teams-canceling-activities-after-irregularities-in-covid-19-results

Oops.

But it looks like a ton of false positives.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2020, 12:04:28 AM
Run off in the poll!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: barton on September 01, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
(bad link corrected below)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Echo4 on September 02, 2020, 01:13:55 AM
https://apnews.com/861957b3727a6bd444627454981332ca

Athlete power: ‘Shut up and play’ is tossed from the game

Good general summary of player activism and its potential.

Wrong link, I think.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: barton on September 02, 2020, 06:59:40 PM
Here's the correct link...

https://apnews.com/9d367066ad8d24f6eb38a5bf402ef4ec

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Echo4 on September 02, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
Here's the correct link...

https://apnews.com/9d367066ad8d24f6eb38a5bf402ef4ec

It has certainly been a wild ride for them in the brief number of years since kneeling was a big deal.

I thought Ward's response to Goodell's apology ("What for?"), while idiotic, might be indicative of just what a difference the apology might not be. But to see the NFL follow that up with an announcement that they will be putting social justice messages in their endzones for games suggests that whether the owners buy into the messages, they have bought into the message that their players will rebel if the teams do not move forward.

So, the teams are acting.

And they are not alone.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2020, 10:46:49 AM
Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead

chiefs -9

ou 54.5

about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread

WAG

Chiefs 38-24

bigger question will fans beat the spread? 

2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on September 09, 2020, 03:41:33 PM

2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KaleidoscopicAssuredAdmiralbutterfly-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 10, 2020, 11:46:22 AM
Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead

chiefs -9

ou 54.5

about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread

WAG

Chiefs 38-24

bigger question will fans beat the spread? 

2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?


Will the spread beat the fans?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/


Going with consensus Vegas line this year -


Tonight -

KC  -9.5  vs  Houston

O/U is 53.5



KC 37  HOU 21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
Full slate if you want to play along:


https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 10, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
Chefs
Bills
Vikings
Eagles
Browns
Colts
Raiders
Lions
Seahawks
Patriots
Chargers
Nines
Saints
Rams
Saints
Steelers
Titans
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 07:26:56 PM
You are brave to take me on, sir.

Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
HEH

fwiw in close to 24 years of posting at the NYT and here, and personally playing in several pick 'em contests with kid, he has never won a competetion I was involved in.

Never.

And that's probably 25+ competitions

Boz-are you picking winners or against the spread
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 10, 2020, 08:12:39 PM
Not sure about that. Wasn't there some sort of "biggest egomaniac" competition a few years ago? I also remember some sort of "biggest dolt" competition.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
HEH

right you are yank, I stand corrected.

And upon further reflection kid has won Elba's village idiot award for so long, there was a serious consideration to call it the "Carter Kup"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 08:27:02 PM
I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.

No idea what to expect from the Pats, but my expecations are low, with a new QB and very few skill players on offense.

D was great last year, but between FA and opt outs for covid, I don't know about them either.

The secondary should be pretty good.

They're being sold as a ground and pound team

I got my doubts and I think they've a tough schedule.

And I will be adopting an NFC to follow.

I'm all in on Tommy's Bucs.

as I think the Pats will blow, I feel no guilt sharing my loyalties.

if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 PM
You are brave to take me on, sir.

Best of luck to you.
Iwould have to care about the result to be brave.

Three teams I think will not be as good as people think: Baltimore, Arizona and Buffalo. Baltimore and Buffalo have the defenses to win but I think in the end no quarterback is ever great without being really good at the prime job of being a quarterback.

I think KC wins it all. I also think both the Giants and the Browns will be better than they are being picked to be.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 08:45:45 PM
```````````````````````````Over-unders

Browns    8.5


Giants      6.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 08:47:01 PM
if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.



yayyyyyy

(pompom)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.



heh

Pretty much just a referendum on Newton

I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
if the Pats can't win it all-I hope TB12 and Gronk can.



yayyyyyy

(pompom)

Brady gave me a shit ton of fun and excitement for close to 20 years, I'm a huge fan of his and wish him nothing but success in TB.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.



heh

Pretty much just a referendum on Newton

I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with

Not a referendum on Newton, but my concerns about

a new QB learning a new system

a new QB with no pre-season to speak of

a team which is woefully short of talented WRs

so I have concerns about the offense

The D should be ok but they are missing a lot of talent from last year (mostly LBs)

the AFC-E is probably a year away from being decent, the Bills might be the best team in the AFC-E


Any reasons why a team you are wholly unfamiliar with are going to be a bitch to contend with?

I see them at best as a 8-9 win team
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
I like Newton -
also like Edelman in a starring role.

Defense loses some studs.  Like you said - East no beast.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2020, 10:02:01 PM
Edelman is 34 and already banged up and was in a starring role with a guy who knew his moves better than Jules did.

I like Newton too and hope he returns to form, but I suspect the learning curve could be steep for him.

The team sounds like its modeled after the 60s Packers strong D and good running game.

sounds like an offense geared to score 17-20 points, so D better be good,

8-8
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
I'll take the over (8.5).

Much more concerned about the defense.

Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
I'll take the over (8.5).

Much more concerned about the defense.

Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.

The win total was 8.5 before Newton signed, the Pats real win total as 9- 9.5

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals)

I got them as 8-9 win team

Hightower, Van Noy, Collins and Chung are big losses on D and that's supposed to be the strength of the 2020 Pats

the young LBs Bently Winovich, Roberts are going to have to step it up 


Re Edelman: so you think an aging and banged up Edelman will finally emerge from being a JAG, to a star, under a new QB still learning the system.

Jules if he stays healthy may be the best WR on the Pats, which is the problem, he'll be the guy that draw doubles.

I love Jules, he's a great competitor, and a pretty good football player, but he may get killed as Newton's safety valve.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue


2 days ago


https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 12:43:01 PM
I got them as 8-9 win team


lol

you said 8-8
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 12:46:14 PM
At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue


2 days ago


https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/

kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.

not the betting #.

the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
Quote
you said 8-8


I feel like I'm going into this season totally blind re the NFL and the Pats.



heh

Pretty much just a referendum on Newton

I think Pats will still be a bitch to contend with

Not a referendum on Newton, but my concerns about

a new QB learning a new system

a new QB with no pre-season to speak of

a team which is woefully short of talented WRs

so I have concerns about the offense

The D should be ok but they are missing a lot of talent from last year (mostly LBs)

the AFC-E is probably a year away from being decent, the Bills might be the best team in the AFC-E


Any reasons why a team you are wholly unfamiliar with are going to be a bitch to contend with?

I see them at best as a 8-9 win team
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue


2 days ago


https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/

kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.

not the betting #.

the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.


Yes

He picked them to win a half game along the way

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 01:20:06 PM
https://www.bettingpros.com/nfl/futures-odds/over-under-wins/


Some 9s mixed in with the 8.5s

Laying 150 to win 100 on the over 8.5

OVER is the bet

At 9 I'd still make the over bet

Gonna see if I can find 8.5 somewhere - and place an actual bet - make this interesting.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
At just 8.5 with solid juice, the Patriots should win this NFL betting pick. Some totals are set at 9 with much less juice. Getting to double digit wins will be extremely tough and I lack confidence to take the over on that total. They will hover around .500 for the majority of the season. I like the over on 8.5, but anything more and I would take a pass. Something to remember is the Patriots have not hit an under since 2009. Yes, they have either pushed or hit the over for the last decade. At 8.5 wins, I like the NFL odds and I look for that trend to continue


2 days ago


https://www.awesemo.com/odds/nfl-futures-bets-nfl-odds-2020-new-england-patriots-over-under-win-total-8-5-nfl-picks/

kid 8.5 was that blogger's Pat's win prediction.

not the betting #.

the # went from 8.5 to 9-9,5 after Newton signed.


Yes

He picked them to win a half game along the way

heh

heh

you're only fooling yourself and exposing yourself as a disingenuous idiot

the betting # is 9-9.5 at -110

but if you want to bet 8.5 over at -150or -160, you can.

you can probably get the over of 7.5 at -180 or whatever

JFC
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/11147.3


Click on NFL, futures, then win totals


They have some alterrnate prices if you scroll own - for instance +750 for over 11.5 Patriot wins

Over 8.5 you have to lay 150 for 100


Summing up -

Bank is a no play on under 8.5 and would play the under 9

I would play the over on both 8.5 and 9.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/sports/navigation/6227.1/11147.3


Click on NFL, futures, then win totals


They have some alterrnate prices if you scroll own - for instance +750 for over 11.5 Patriot wins

Over 8.5 you have to lay 150 for 100


Summing up -

Bank is a no play on under 8.5 and would play the under 9

I would play the over on both 8.5 and 9.

Summing up Bank has the Pats as a 8-9 win team.

They are unlikely to win 8.5

Summing up kid tried to pass off a bet that every bettor in the world would have to risk 150 to win 100, (ie over 8.5) as a normal -110 bet, until he got called on his bullshit.

SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 04:13:53 PM
Get those shots and snide remarks in

It's what you do.

Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5.  I just used the site I am familiar with.

Think I get the winning end of this one.  66 bucks on the hundy bet.  And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 05:08:08 PM
Get those shots and snide remarks in

It's what you do.

Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5.  I just used the site I am familiar with.

Think I get the winning end of this one.  66 bucks on the hundy bet.  And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+

kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.

You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.

And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.

You got caught in another lie,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 11, 2020, 05:55:55 PM
Get those shots and snide remarks in

It's what you do.

Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5.  I just used the site I am familiar with.

Think I get the winning end of this one.  66 bucks on the hundy bet.  And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+

kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.

You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.

And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.

You got caught in another lie,

But just like Trump, he doesn't care that he is caught in lies.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
Get those shots and snide remarks in

It's what you do.

Shopping around gives a better rate on the 8.5.  I just used the site I am familiar with.

Think I get the winning end of this one.  66 bucks on the hundy bet.  And a nice payoff if Pats win 10+

kid I don't care about what you bet or pretend to bet.

You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.

And now you confess that the bet you said you liked carries a large premium to what you initially conveyed was a -110 at the market bet.

You got caught in another lie,

But just like Trump, he doesn't care that he is caught in lies.

that's true.

kid can't admit he's wrong-about anything.

He'll just change the subject and move on to the next thing to be wrong about.

Fortunately kid's bullshit is just his ongoing immaturity and has no real consequences.

Trump's lies kills people,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 07:02:32 PM
You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.


Al I said was the number was 8.5, which is what I recalled it to be.  Turns out it is somewhere between 8.5 and 9 .

Your need to prove another wrong is comical - and no doubt has crept into your private/famly life.

The exact number - and subsequent thought process on it - is at issue. You are afraid to go under on the 8.5 after calling Pats going 8-8.  We call that no balls.

Castrated Bank - rock on.


Sad.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
You tried to bullshit me about the Pats ou and i called you out on it.


Al I said was the number was 8.5, which is what I recalled it to be.  Turns out it is somewhere between 8.5 and 9 .

Your need to prove another wrong is comical - and no doubt has crept into your private/famly life.

The exact number - and subsequent thought process on it - is at issue. You are afraid to go under on the 8.5 after calling Pats going 8-8.  We call that no balls.

Castrated Bank - rock on.


Sad.

what's sad you moron is your inability to admit you were wrong.

when you said the # was 8.5, I told you it opened at 8.5 but when Newton signed with the Pats about 6 weeks ago the # moved to 9-9.5

and posted a widely accepted source

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals) to show you the current #s at the market (-110).

You then doubled down, or tripled down posting a blogger's post about liking the Pats over 8.5

and again it was pointed out that the market was 9- 9.5 but you could buy down the line and pay a premium (in this case -150 instead of -110) for a lower #.

You simply could have said you were mistaken, but you are so insecure and stupid, you can't do it.

You needed to try and prove how astute a gambler you are, which is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

kid you are the definition of a sucker, a mark, and dumb money

Now behave yourself and maybe I'll give you back your balls.

You'll just lose them anyway.


HEH

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
when you said the # was 8.5, I told you it opened at 8.5 but when Newton signed with the Pats about 6 weeks ago the # moved to 9-9.5


`Had you just said 9...

But nope -

Sorry, slapdick.

See what odds you can get on under 9.

I will let you know if I see a good price.  Wouldnt want you to miss out, you being so sure and all.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 07:58:40 PM
Quote
`Had you just said 9...

That's exactly what I did said to you moron

I told you about the line move and posted the link to vegasline

the post is below,

You then tried to bullshit away from your mistake

Thanks for proving my point moron

and as posted, I have sources for #s and forunately the common sense to let the morons like you to fill the pool before I jump in.

HEH


I'll take the over (8.5).

Much more concerned about the defense.

Edelman was a cog for Brady, not a star.

The win total was 8.5 before Newton signed, the Pats real win total as 9- 9.5

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals)

I got them as 8-9 win team

Hightower, Van Noy, Collins and Chung are big losses on D and that's supposed to be the strength of the 2020 Pats

the young LBs Bently Winovich, Roberts are going to have to step it up 


Re Edelman: so you think an aging and banged up Edelman will finally emerge from being a JAG, to a star, under a new QB still learning the system.

Jules if he stays healthy may be the best WR on the Pats, which is the problem, he'll be the guy that draw doubles.

I love Jules, he's a great competitor, and a pretty good football player, but he may get killed as Newton's safety valve.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nfl/new-england-patriots/


Patriots 2020


Over 9 wins   +120


Under 9 wins     -150
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Gee its funny kid, with all your online sources its surprising you didn't know the Pats OU  moved from 8.5 to 9 -9.5. 6 weeks ago, until I told you earlier today.

Yet despite your obvious gap in knowledge about the team you felt a need to pay a premium on the over.

a fool and their money...

heh

good luck kid,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 08:23:10 PM
Whisk and I have a nice friendly pool going - we will give you last night's KC cover so that we are all even.

None of us really follow the league religiously, so on even ground.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2020, 08:36:43 PM
I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.


Thanks for the invite but 'll pass on your pool.

I'll stick to trying to find a few games I like,

good luck with your picks


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 11, 2020, 09:14:05 PM
I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.


Thanks for the invite but 'll pass on your pool.

I'll stick to trying to find a few games I like,

good luck with your picks

"May the odds be ever in your favor."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2020, 01:09:04 PM
I had KC winning by 14 and covering last night.




Attaboy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2020, 01:16:22 PM
Working an Edelman trade - to add some spice to the debate
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
kid-I had the first prediction up on that game

I told you to play nice and I might give you your balls back




Season kicks off tomorrow with Chiefs starting their title defense against the Texans at Arrowhead

chiefs -9

ou 54.5

about 16,000 fans will be allowed in to watch the Chiefs win and beat the spread

WAG

Chiefs 38-24

bigger question will fans beat the spread? 

2nd biggest question, who knew that OBJ was a #2 receiver?

and kid the reason I have no interest playing in any unmoderated pick'em game with you, and I've told you this before, is you lack honesty and integrity and you can not be trusted where honesty and playing by rules, written and those understood are required.

Now you may resume fucking yourself
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2020, 02:08:16 PM
Banks - just cannot handle peace in the forum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
WHISK

Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes

Review, so you can make changes if you wish

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
Banks - just cannot handle peace in the forum.

Kid can't handle the truth about his behavior.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2020, 03:04:40 PM
WHISK

Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes

Review, so you can make changes if you wish

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

boz-  there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.

Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.

He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.

kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.

So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.


Good luck and watch your wallet
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 12, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
WHISK

Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes

Review, so you can make changes if you wish

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
To borrow from Little Big Man, your updated betting line is not worth the reversal of a whiskeypriest decision.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 12, 2020, 07:11:54 PM
WHISK

Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes

Review, so you can make changes if you wish

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

boz-  there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.

Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.

He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.

kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.

So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.


Good luck and watch your wallet
I don't pick on point spreads, but will let them stand for that. I also only bet where my knowledge and skill can aid me against the house, like with slots.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2020, 07:38:39 PM
Roulette for me!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 12, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
Chefs
Bills
Vikings
Eagles
Browns
Colts
Raiders
Lions
Seahawks
Patriots
Chargers
Nines
Saints
Rams
Saints
Steelers
Titans

Chefs?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
WHISK

Just realized we have to go with OPENING LINE - since we will be picking at different times - and the consensus changes

Review, so you can make changes if you wish

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

boz-  there should be no problem while as it seems kid who is suddenly a stickler for rules, is fond of posting at different times than others do in pick'em games. And while most people understand you get your picks in before the game starts, kid as I recall liked picking games at the half.

Kid didn't like being reminded that that was not a generally accepted pick'em principle.

He was very cranky in his attacking me for enforcing those universally understood principle.

kids-what are you gonna do, spare the rules, and you got an unruly asshole on your hands.

So you should probably feel free to get your picks in 3rd or 4th quarter, whenever its convenient, kid shouldn't have an issue with that.


Good luck and watch your wallet
I don't pick on point spreads, but will let them stand for that. I also only bet where my knowledge and skill can aid me against the house, like with slots.

I never got into slots, I once played a quarter machine feeding it Susan B Anthonys-was a long night.

My game is "Go-Fish"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 13, 2020, 07:42:32 AM
I generally only make personal bets when I can influence the outcome directly. Poker comes to mind. 

In the late 70's, I did pay my spring semester of college tuition for my junior year with money I earned shooting pool in bars that fall.

Then again, that wasn't really gambling. It was perhaps a form of larceny.

Betting on football is rather lame. It impairs one's perspective of the game, as one is so consumed by the bet that one often fails to observe what is truly happening in the game.

I don't bet on too many individual stocks in the market, either, preferring to bet on the market as a whole, or segments of the market only.



 

 







Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 13, 2020, 09:45:30 AM
NFL  2020  Week 1
 


New England  -7  vs Miami     41.5       24-20

Baltimore  -7.5  Cleveland    47.5        27-17

Buffalo  -6.5  NY Jets   39.5                24-14

Las Vegas   -3  at  Carolina   48          26-21

Seattle  -1.5  at  Atlanta   49              21-24       

Philadelphia  -5.5  at Washington   42      24-14

Detroit  -2.5  vs  Chicago   42.5          20-17

Indianapolis  -8  at  Jacksonville   45       27-17

Minnesota  -2.5  vs  Green Bay   44.5       21-24

LA Chargers  -3  at  Cincinnati   41.5       21-24

San Francisco  -7  vs  Arizona   48        34-20

New Orleans  -3.5  vs  Tampa Bay   47.5       24-21

Dallas  -2.5  at  LA Rams   51.5           28-24

Pittsburgh  -6  vs  NY Giants   46       27-17

Tennessee  -3  at  Denver   41          21-17

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 10:34:16 AM
I'm planning to sit out the first couple of weeks and gather some info and a sense of WTF is going on.

as posted earlier I feel wholly uninformed (insert joke here) on such matters to put money on the line

so I'm treating the first couple of weeks as my pre-season


although I am in a KO pool

KO pool week-1 Indy

betting on football is just another form of risk assessment and analysis 

not unlike looking at the risk-rewards of investing in a specific stock, except investing in stocks and beating the market, is far more complicated and much harder.

gentlemen-good luck in your endeavors 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 13, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
I will play along with your KO, Bank



Week 1 -    Baltimore
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 13, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
3-team parlay this week would be


Philadelphia*, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh

*  best bet
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2020, 11:18:50 AM
I will play along with your KO, Bank



Week 1 -    Baltimore
I usually last a week in these. Buffalo.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 13, 2020, 01:33:36 PM
Another tough season for NYC teams. Jets look hopeless so far against Bills. A dolphin reject as head coach?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
I'm planning to sit out the first couple of weeks and gather some info and a sense of WTF is going on.

as posted earlier I feel wholly uninformed (insert joke here) on such matters to put money on the line

so I'm treating the first couple of weeks as my pre-season


although I am in a KO pool

KO pool week-1 Indy



gentlemen-good luck in your endeavors

Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!

Earliest KO I've suffered. I usually get Ko'ed in rounds 6-8, should have gone with choice #2 Bills.

$20 gone but not forgotten
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 04:10:54 PM
Saw the 2nd half of the Pats-Fish game.

costly goal line tunover, but ground and pound seemed to work at least against the Flounders.

and D seemed Decent against Fitzy.

Next week is a tougher test-Seattle and Russell 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
Looking forward to Brady-Brees

GOBUCS!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 13, 2020, 04:37:20 PM
Looking forward to Brady-Brees

GOBUCS!

Brady rushes for TD, just like Newton did!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
Looking forward to Brady-Brees

GOBUCS!

Brady rushes for TD, just like Newton did!

1 yd QB sneak-I wonder if New Orleans was surprised.



BUC 'em up Tommy!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on September 13, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
Washington D was fearsome vs PHI in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
Fox cuts to commercial with Toot's "Pressure Drop"


RIP Toots
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
not the first tourist pick pocketed on Bourbon st

ouch
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 13, 2020, 06:56:11 PM
Tom is not having as much fun as Cam had.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 07:21:03 PM
but at least Tom and Gronk had lots of laughs prepping for this game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.

I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 13, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.

I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.

In a league in which comparative points scored continues to be a tie breaker for some things, you will continue to get plays like that, I guess.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
I thought it was a sloppy game-Tampa gonna tampa, Brady or no Brady, but I'd give TB12 a few more games to work out the wrinkles, before I write his obit.

I thought that gadget play by NO and then the TO on 4th and 1 when they could have run out the clock or taken a knee, but instead went for a FU TD was an interesting way for that game to end.

In a league in which comparative points scored continues to be a tie breaker for some things, you will continue to get plays like that, I guess.

We've seen the Pats take a lot of knees at the goal line with 2 minutes or less to go in games that were already won, rather than run an unecessary run up the score play, Players get hurt that way.

I thought it a bush move by Sean Payton.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 13, 2020, 11:19:31 PM
Looks like BB knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2020, 02:13:50 AM
Looks like BB knows what he's doing.

I suspect that if TB had been facing the Dolphins, Brady would have had a win.

And if the Patriots had been facing the Saints, that would have been less assuredly a win.

The latter doesn't mean that BB doesn't know what he's doing, just that I don't think either or even both first games illustrate your point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
So Newton can't beat the Saints.

OK - got it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2020, 09:24:27 AM
So Newton can't beat the Saints.

OK - got it.

attaboy

kid's always working on his hot takz!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2020, 09:43:21 AM
So Newton can't beat the Saints.

OK - got it.

So exactly what I said!

If you don't want people to curse you out, stop making stupid posts like that.

Or, as you put it, "so, you don't want peace on the forum."

OK - got it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
According to web data, about 30% of KO pools got wiped out by Indy and Philly losses yesterday.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2020, 11:25:53 AM
6-8-1 start

Ridiculous (spread) losses for Carolina and Detroit
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
6-8-1 start

Ridiculous (spread) losses for Carolina and Detroit

there were 16 games

quick check has you at 6-9-1

and let's not forget your lost parlay

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2020, 02:35:39 PM
Yeah - typo


-$490

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 15, 2020, 10:35:20 PM
Looks like BB knows what he's doing.

I suspect that if TB had been facing the Dolphins, Brady would have had a win.

And if the Patriots had been facing the Saints, that would have been less assuredly a win.

The latter doesn't mean that BB doesn't know what he's doing, just that I don't think either or even both first games illustrate your point.
Bruce Arians disagrees. Brady is done.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2020, 12:17:06 AM
I'd give Brady more than 1-game, and a game against a team that many feel has a pretty good chance to get to the SuperBowl before concluding he's done.

And Tampa showed it was a poorly prepared and a poorly disciplined team, independent of Brady,

And Arians backtracked on his bus driving. 

I think BB concluded he didn't want to give Brady more than a 1 year extension to Brady, not that he was done.

I didn't disagree with BB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 17, 2020, 05:02:22 PM
Bengals visit Cleveland tonight, in this year's first Battle for football Supremacy in Ohio

At least until they kick-off in Columbus on Oct 24th


Browns -6 ou 44.5

I hope to watch the 2nd half in a good mood.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2020, 05:05:04 PM
Cleveland  -6   Bengals   43.5      24-21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2020, 05:06:16 PM
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5

Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5

Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45

Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 17, 2020, 05:38:13 PM
Cleveland
Rams
TB
 Pitt
 Dallas
49ers
Bills
Vikes
Lions
Giants 43
TN
AZ
Houston
Chiefs
Seattle
Saints

49ers as my knockout.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2020, 07:54:04 PM
Knockout -


Going with Brady this week


1  -   Baltimore
2  -   Tampa Bay
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2020, 11:41:33 PM
AFC North - the Fun Division
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 18, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
Our defensive back 7 sucks balls, but we may have the best set of running backs in the NFL.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 18, 2020, 12:27:45 PM
Credit Burrow alone for the backdoor cover.  He is must see TV moving on.

Browns are interesting.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2020, 09:01:59 AM

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5   24-21

Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46            27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49          31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5     23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5      31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5           24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5        26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48             21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5            27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43      24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5             26-19

Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45

Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2020, 12:52:07 PM


Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5   24-21

Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46            27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49          31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5     23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5      31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5           24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5        26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48             21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5            27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43      24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5             26-19

Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5.      24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5.     28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49.      31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45.      21-17

Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5.     34-21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:49 PM
Today's parlay


Tampa, Green Bay, Seattle
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 20, 2020, 04:44:40 PM
Atlanta... just handed that game away.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
TAKEN AWAY

Incredible onsides kick by Zuerlein
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
sucks about Saquon
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on September 20, 2020, 11:09:20 PM
sucks about Saquon


Giants were very predictable running Saquon into a wall. 
I feel bad for Saquon himself but the Giants team played much better in the 2nd half. 
Offense put together some long drives and Defense shut out the Bears.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2020, 11:32:31 PM
that was a helluva game

Cam almost pulled it off.

shoulda had Marshawn run it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 21, 2020, 01:01:00 AM
that was a helluva game

Cam almost pulled it off.

shoulda had Marshawn run it.

If we had a kicker, we would have won that game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
that was a helluva game

Cam almost pulled it off.

shoulda had Marshawn run it.

If we had a kicker, we would have won that game.

maybe

or if the D had not allowed RW to tear them up for 35 points

the guy is fun to watch
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 21, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
sucks about Saquon


Giants were very predictable running Saquon into a wall. 
I feel bad for Saquon himself but the Giants team played much better in the 2nd half. 
Offense put together some long drives and Defense shut out the Bears.

Mr. Jones will be joining Saquon, soon, as the GM knows nothing about getting O-Linesmen.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2020, 07:19:20 PM
Jones to Slayton still fun to watch.  Giants sure to sign a vet RB this week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2020, 09:59:53 PM
Giants were criticized for not taking Darnold

Such folly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 21, 2020, 11:36:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/robert-kraft-prostitution-case-appeal/index.html

No further pursuit of the case by Florida. Kraft wins (or at least loses no further than he had already by the accusation).
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
Saints stuck on 17 which is usually a good strategy in Vegas

not tonight

nice win by Raiders in home opener
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 10:29:57 AM
Cam does sure look good

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/its-no-shot-tom-brady-admit-cam-newton-has-invigorated-franchise?b
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 22, 2020, 11:53:43 AM
Cam does sure look good

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/its-no-shot-tom-brady-admit-cam-newton-has-invigorated-franchise?b

He'd have looked a lot better about 10 feet to my left.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/us/robert-kraft-prostitution-case-appeal/index.html

No further pursuit of the case by Florida. Kraft wins (or at least loses no further than he had already by the accusation).

Kraft buys his way out.

Fucking pig that he is.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
Yes he did.

He paid a lot of money to very good lawyers to beat the rap.

But there is nothing wrong with a person using their resources to fight for themselves.

It might not be equitable, and it might not be a remedy available to al, but it is legal.

I would say that given the legal fees he paid, probably well into 6 figues, and the public humilition Kraft has suffered, that may be justice for paying for a consensual hand job.

I always enjoy good football talk.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Summing up the week -

Just one tough loss vs spread, really - Steelers.  Maybe Bills could qualify.

7-9 (13-3 game winners) but hit the parlay

+310 for the week

- 180 overall.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 12:55:14 PM
Summing up the week -

Just one tough loss vs spread, really - Steelers.  Maybe Bills could qualify.

7-9 (13-3 game winners) but hit the parlay

+310 for the week

- 180 overall.

what 7 games did you win kid

congrats on the parlay-saved your ass.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 01:40:45 PM
kid's WINS v spread bolded



Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5   24-21

Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46            27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49          31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5     23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5      31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5           24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5        26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48             21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5            27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43      24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5             26-19

Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5.      24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5.     28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49.      31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45.      21-17

Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5.     34-21

I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,

that's 6

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
congrats on the parlay-saved your ass.


All part of the process

Sometimes it puts you way over the top

In real life betting, a parlay and a best bet is often all I will play.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2020, 01:52:48 PM
Yes he did.

He paid a lot of money to very good lawyers to beat the rap.

But there is nothing wrong with a person using their resources to fight for themselves.

It might not be equitable, and it might not be a remedy available to al, but it is legal.

I would say that given the legal fees he paid, probably well into 6 figues, and the public humilition Kraft has suffered, that may be justice for paying for a consensual hand job.

I always enjoy good football talk.

He should have been thrown out of the league.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,


Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.

LIFE is its own reward.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2020, 02:01:05 PM
Best of Kraft: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ah7srj/tosh-0-robert-kraft-s-audition-tape---uncensored (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ah7srj/tosh-0-robert-kraft-s-audition-tape---uncensored)

Still claims it's not Lander's baby is not his kid.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 22, 2020, 02:26:52 PM
Uno is this Board's National Enquirer correspondent.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,


Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.

LIFE is its own reward.

I didn't belittled you kid, you did that all on your own.

I just kept an honest count.

Something you did not do.

That makes 2 weeks in a row you've mispresented your picks and both times to your advantage.

You shown yourself to be: an idiot who can't count, a liar who can't tell the truth, or so insecure you can't accept responsibility for your mistake.

Most probably all 3.

If life is its own reward, why not accept life, rather than lie about it?

Kid once again proves he's Elba's 13-time reigning village idiot

kid after 2 weeks is

wk1 6-9-1

wk2 6-10

total 12-19-1 (38.7%)

-890

an idiot would go 50% just on random choices.

awesome job you brain-dead liar.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
Uno is this Board's National Enquirer correspondent.

And expert on banning for inexcusable behavior.

If Kraft gets banned by the NFL for a hand job, I wonder if he'll slink back to his owner's box with a new name.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 22, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,


Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.

LIFE is its own reward.

You made a statement of what you were "betting."

Then you made a claim of how you did against that "bet," to tell us how well you had done.

Then you got corrected, as has happened on multiple occasions in the past.

If you don't want to be corrected, either don't tell us what your bets are, don't tell us what your results are, or get it right. Or, in your terms, work a little harder at not belittling yourself, Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
I got TB, Atl, SF, GB, Jax, Seat,


Don't try so hard to belittle others, asshole.

LIFE is its own reward.

I didn't belittled you kid, you did that all on your own.

I just kept an honest count.

Something you did not do.

That makes 2 weeks in a row you've mispresented your picks and both times to your advantage.

You shown yourself to be: an idiot who can't count, a liar who can't tell the truth, or so insecure you can't accept responsibility for your mistake.

Most probably all 3.

If life is its own reward, why not accept life, rather than lie about it?

Kid once again proves he's Elba's 13-time reigning village idiot

kid after 2 weeks is

wk1 6-9-1

wk2 6-10

total 12-19-1 (38.7%)

an idiot would go 50% just on random choices.

awesome job you brain-dead liar.

7-9 13-18-1, a-hole

22-10 on game winners

And likely I suck on over/unders, as usual.

* When Bank makes a mistake - well.....its because it was just that - a very, very rare miscue.
When someone else does, he states vehemently that this person lied to boost his/her credibility

Huge heh

Hey Banks - you're fucking OLD - it happens.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 03:01:08 PM
kid-the fact is you have lied in the past in these pick'em games, and you can't be trusted to provide an honest count.

Your picks for wk2 were posted, and you were 6-10 against the spread.

When I asked you to provide your claimed 7 ATS winners, you chose to insult me, as you couldn't list 7 winners, as you only had 6 ATS winners.

Grow-up kid and maybe one day you'll be old too

and maybe you'may learn to count, and not take a game so seriously you'd compromise your dignity.

Probably not.

But kid take heart, you're in 1st place at 12-19-1

as no one in their rght mind will play with you

so as usual you are playing with yourself

SSDD

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 03:02:40 PM
Bank is too much an asshole to even look at it again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
<click>

Usually I use ignore feature or about a week at a time.  Works well for me.

Bank - see ya in a month.  Clean up your act.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 22, 2020, 03:10:29 PM
Bank is too much an asshole to even look at it again.

Says the person who cannot be bothered to explain which one Banks got wrong when he reposted the set of results, highlighting which ones you won.

He spelled out his claim. You get to point out his error or we get to believe his analysis.

Your choice.

If you point out which game he missed that you won, then we will say, yup! Banks missed that one!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
Oh no, kid has me on iggy rather than deal with the unpleasant truth.

Not the first time he has chosen to run away.

and fwiw, I kept track only because Elba's village idiot fucked up his wk 1 count to his benefit, and I was curious if some implied oversight might instill a little honesty in kid's bogus accounting. 

I laughed when he misrepresented his wk 2 #s.

And yes kid, I doubled checked your picks.

perhaps you should have spent a little more time on them as well.


HEH



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
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Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
I made a mistake,  for some reason I had you on the Browns -6.

kid if you had answered my question to ID your 7 winners this bullshit could have been avoided.

But you thought calling me an asshole was a wise course to follow.

You're still a liar and troll, and can't be trusted,

But in this instance, I made a mistake.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2020, 10:40:35 AM
RIP Gale Sayers

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29951448/chicago-bears-hall-fame-running-back-gale-sayers-dies-age-77 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29951448/chicago-bears-hall-fame-running-back-gale-sayers-dies-age-77)


Former Chicago Bears star Gale Sayers, considered one of the greatest running backs in the history of the National Football League despite a career cut short by knee injuries, has died at age 77 after living with dementia.



I was lucky enough to see his 6 TD games against the 49ers. He was a spectacular quick cutting rocket of a running back.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 23, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2910345-report-tyrod-taylors-lung-accidentally-punctured-by-chargers-team-doctor

Wow.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2020, 10:28:46 PM
NFL Line Week 3, 9/24-28, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/24 8:20 PM Jax -3 Dolphins 47.5      27-21

Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM NE -6 Raiders 48
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Buffalo -2.5 Rams 47.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Pitt -4 Texans 45
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM 49ers -4.5 NYG 42
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Titans -2.5 MN 47.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Cleve -7 WFT 44
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Phil -6 Bengals 46.5
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Atl -3.5 Bears 47.5

Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 43.5
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM LAC -6.5 Panthers 44
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 Lions 54.5
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Bucs -6 Denver 43.5
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Seattle -5 Cowboys 55.5
Sun. 9/27 8:20 PM NO -3.5 Packers 51.5

Mon. 9/28 8:15 PM Baltimore -3 Chiefs 53.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
Jacksonville win and cover tonight - with the OVER.


27-21  to the Minshews.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 24, 2020, 12:51:48 PM
Dolphins
Raiders
Buffalo
Pitt
49ers
Titans
Cleve
Bengals
Atl
Indy
Panthers
AZ
Bucs
Seattle
Packers
Chiefs

AZ for the knockout pick.
[/quote]
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 24, 2020, 11:43:02 PM
Jacksonville win and cover tonight - with the OVER.


27-21  to the Minshews.

They lost, so of course they did not cover. And it was under.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2020, 12:16:25 AM
Good post.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 26, 2020, 08:43:49 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/falcons-cb-a-j-terrell-tests-positive-for-covid-19-placed-on-reserve-list

Oops.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
NFL Line Week 3, 9/24-28, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog Total

Thurs. 9/24 8:20 PM Jax -3 Dolphins 47.5      27-21       JAGS cover        L

Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM NE -6 Raiders 48             27-20         PATS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Buffalo -2.5 Rams 47.5    20-23         RAMS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Pitt -4 Texans 45            24-17        STEELERS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM 49ers -4.5 NYG 42          24-21        GIANTS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Titans -2.5 MN 47.5        27-24         TITANS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Cleve -7 WFT 44            24-14          BROWNS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Phil -6 Bengals 46.5        27-24        BENGALS
Sun. 9/27 1:00 PM Atl -3.5 Bears 47.5        27-17          FALCONS

Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 43.5       28-14        COLTS
Sun. 9/27 4:05 PM LAC -6.5 Panthers 44     24-17         CHARGERS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 Lions 54.5          31-21        CARDINALS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Bucs -6 Denver 43.5       24-17          BUCS
Sun. 9/27 4:25 PM Seattle -5 Cowboys 55.5    35-28      SEAHAWKS

Sun. 9/27 8:20 PM NO -3.5 Packers 51.5       24-27       PACKERS

Mon. 9/28 8:15 PM Baltimore -3 Chiefs 53.5    24-27      CHIEFS
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
Knockout pick is ARIZONA

Week 1   -    Baltimore
Week 2    -     Tampa Bay
Week 3     -     Arizona
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
looks like some interesting match-ups today that will give a decent sense of who's real and who isn't

in the early games

Pats-Raiders--I'm not convinced on Pats even with good showing on offense last week, I was surprised. I think the Pats win an entertaining over and tight game, maybe 30-27, if I was betting I'd take the 7, but I don't bet against the Pats.

Bill-Rams-I'm leaning Bills in what could be a pretty good game, lay the 2, Bills 27-23

Steelers-Texans--like the Steelers, haven't trusted the Texans in a long time, lay the 3.5, 27-20

Titans-Vikes- Vrabel is building a team I think they're real, lay the 2.5 27-20


https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
 (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

edit added vegasinsider's lines
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2020, 12:27:35 PM
This week's parlay -


Browns, Cards, Seahawks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 03:45:27 PM
Bills in a crash and burn

Yikes

good thing the stadium is empty
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 04:15:36 PM
Bills get bailed out on near-historic loss.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 04:19:47 PM
2-2 ATS

4-0 straight winners

3-1 over unders
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 04:26:00 PM
thinking Seattle -5.5

34-27
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 05:14:26 PM
Metcalf just became immortal-that play will live forever.

moron
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
2-2 ATS

4-0 straight winners

3-1 over unders

3-2 ATS

5-0 straight winners

4-1 o-u
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 28, 2020, 12:29:44 AM
Great job today by Lions (OUCH), Bears (OUCH), Packers (yay)

Thought about going AFC North parlay - would have cashed.

9-7 week

+$30

-$150 season

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 28, 2020, 08:10:54 PM
heh

"Balls!" said the queen

if I had two I'd be king

Ravens 38-31
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 29, 2020, 10:40:39 AM
Several Titans and staff test positive for covid

NFL shuts down Tenn facility till sat.


oops

opening line of Tenn -3 has moved to Pitt -1.5 -2

little surprised its not off the board

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 29, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Several Titans and staff test positive for covid

NFL shuts down Tenn facility till sat.

Vikings are shut down, too, despite no positive tests.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
Just being reported by ESPN's Dianna Russini

Sunday’s game between the Steelers and Titans is being postponed per multiple sources. They are considering all options to reschedule, Monday night as one of them. This will all be based on test results.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
damn shame for kid

Steelers were an integral part of his pick of the week-parlay-get back to even plan.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
week 4

10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40

10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45
10/4 1:00 ET Steelers -2 Tennessee 47
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47

10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45

10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2020, 08:08:56 PM
NY Jets
Colts
Saints
Cardinals
Jaguars
Browns
Houston
Seahawks
Tampa Bay
Steelers
Ravens
LA Rams
Kansas City
Bills
San Francisco
Falcons
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
Titans-Steelers game this week is being rescheduled for later this season, per source. There were two more positive tests in Tennessee -- one player, one personnel.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2020, 10:09:41 AM

week 4

10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40

10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47

10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45

10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 01, 2020, 11:32:20 AM
10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40        20-16    DEN covers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2020, 11:40:58 PM
LOL

never change Jets
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2020, 12:08:17 AM
3-1 on Thu nights


23-25 overall
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2020, 01:19:16 AM
kid's originally reported results

w1 6-9-1 (originally 6-8-1)
w2 7-9
w3 8-8*
w4 1-0

    22-26-1

heh


SSDD


Edit *

seems last night around 1AM kid changed his originally reported 8-8 week 3 results to 9-7.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2020, 08:21:47 AM
Giants were criticized for not taking Darnold

Such folly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2020, 01:12:44 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/03/sports/cam-newton-reportedly-tests-positive-covid-19-will-miss-game-vs-chiefs/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/03/sports/cam-newton-reportedly-tests-positive-covid-19-will-miss-game-vs-chiefs/)

The Patriots' Sunday game against the Kansas City Chiefs will be postponed to Monday or Tuesday, the NFL announced, after New England quarterback Cam Newton reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.

Just a heads-up this might impact the Chiefs -7 line to about -27.

kid's going to use it in a 2-team tease

Tease the Pats to +33

Tease Trump down to -3

speaking of spreads

Who knew that BB would allow Cam to go to Trump's ACB super-spreader?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 04, 2020, 12:43:56 AM

week 4


10/1 8:20 ET Broncos -3 NY Jets 40       20-16    DEN cover         W

10/4 1:00 ET Colts -2.5 Chicago 45            21-17       
10/4 1:00 ET Saints -4 Detroit 54               34-27
10/4 1:00 ET Cardinals -3.5 Carolina 52.5   27-23     
10/4 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3 Jaguars 48        24-22
10/4 1:00 ET Dallas -4.5 Browns 55.5        31-24
10/4 1:00 ET Houston -3.5 Vikings 54         28-24
10/4 1:00 ET Seahawks -6.5 Miami 54.5      35-24
10/4 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -7.5 Chargers 45   28-19
10/4 1:00 ET Ravens -13.5 Washington 47   27-10

10/4 4:05 ET LA Rams -12.5 Giants 47.5      31-17
10/4 4:25 ET Kansas City -7 Patriots 54       - off -
10/4 4:25 ET Bills -3 Las Vegas 52.5           24-27
10/4 8:20 ET San Francisco -6.5 Eagles 45   28-24

10/5 8:15 ET Green Bay -7 Falcons 58        33-21 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 04, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
For the record - in my contest my pick on NE-KC was

Kansas City 27  New England 17


This week's PARLAY, you ask?


LA Rams, Tampa Bay, Dallas
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2020, 01:34:23 PM
TB12

2 drives-2 TDs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2020, 02:07:22 PM
TB12

2 drives-2 TDs

I like this play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcjuH4a6sI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcjuH4a6sI)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 04, 2020, 03:27:07 PM
Brady must have gotten a nap at halftime.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2020, 04:04:43 PM
Brady must have gotten a nap at halftime.

Remdesevir

he's got friends in low-places
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
Chiefs open as 11 point favorites v Pats MNF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2020, 04:12:13 PM
nice CFBW for the old man
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 09:51:46 AM
Wild week.  Looking to somehow get to 7-7 and -$170 including the parlay.

WENTZ LIVES, as I suspected.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2020, 11:01:50 AM
Well, me, a die hard Browns fan, having my fantasy team get shot in the nuts by an over reliance on the Pittsburgh Steelers is only the second most just example of COVID related karma of the week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 12:02:46 PM
As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.

heh

Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.

used two planes

covid-free

covid-maybe

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.

heh

Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.

used two planes

covid-free

covid-maybe

I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.

That said, go Pats!

That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?

Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.

heh

Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.

used two planes

covid-free

covid-maybe

I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.

That said, go Pats!

That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."

Have fun storming the castle!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?
3/4 day lead time between exposure and positive test is normal. So while only two test positive you need multiple tests over several days.  Titans are still testing positive.

Despite starting multiple times for multiple teams and despite three stints with the Pat's Hoyer is getting his first start for New England,.ever, today.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 12:26:37 PM
As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.

heh

Pats flew out this AM for tonight's game at Arrowhead.

used two planes

covid-free

covid-maybe

I think the NFL is nuts for having this game move forward.

That said, go Pats!

That said, in the immortal words of Miracle Max, "It would take a miracle."

This one looked like a scheduled loss from the start, it just got uglier

Not sure why the NFL rescheduled this one so quickly, while it cancelled Tenn-Pitt within about 24 hrs of the news, they must have had a pretty good idea about the virus potential spread in Tenn

Maybe rejiggering the schedule for Pats-chiefs was tough and they wanted to avoid playing 7-inning double-headers in March

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
Want there just a case where some players tested positive -  then retested as negative - and the game went on?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 12:37:35 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?

Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.

How about the time of post deletions-kid.

You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.

So go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 12:42:25 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?

Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.

How about the time of post deletions-kid.

You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.

So go fuck yourself.

See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 12:48:21 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?

Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.

How about the time of post deletions-kid.

You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.

So go fuck yourself.

See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.

says the troll who posts under more names than Sybil had, and denies the family connections

heh.

I play a straight game.

and no need to bullshit.

But I understand you don't understand honesty and integrity and never will.

and you can go fuck yourself too.

or play with kid and fuck each other.

and keep score
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
Isn't it just Cam and one practice squad player from KC that were positive?

Bank - the time of any edit is shown in the post - so you remain a mystery in your commentary on my picks.

How about the time of post deletions-kid.

You've cheated and been caught too many times in these types of games to be trusted.

So go fuck yourself.

See, kid? banks just revealed his methodology to you. Pay attention, now. He knows how to paint a picture of the "reality" he wants you and others to see. You can't bullshit a bullshitter.

says the troll who posts under more names than Sybil had, and denies the family connections

heh.

I play a straight game.

and no need to bullshit.

But I understand you don't understand honesty and integrity and never will.

and you can go fuck yourself too.

or play with kid and fuck each other.

and keep score

Wrong forum, banks.

If you're going to go the troll route, you have to go to the correct forum.

Learn the rules, and try to follow them, shitstain.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Except I'm not trolling.

I pointed out kid has deleted posts in this forum re his football picks.

I never have.

Now go fuck yourself again
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
Want there just a case where some players tested positive -  then retested as negative - and the game went on?
It was a Saint player, before the game against Detroit.  Both the retest of the original sample and a second test came back negative.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 01:53:55 PM
UNO

I deleted my bait post, admittedly

I posted an incorrect accounting of my score picks for week 3 (that I was 8-8), figuring that as in the past when Bank just KNEW there was something amiss (heh) he would correct me.

Except he didnt.  I wonder why.

Instead he used the INCORRECT figure, my bait - in a post meant to once again - CORRECT someone.
He just cannot help himself, Bank - the all knowing, the GREAT CORRECTOR.

He was dumbfuck WRONG - yet again - as I was in fact 9-7 for week 3.

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 02:20:39 PM
As long as there's an edit function kid will find a way to get to 7-7.


Shut up, dick.

And before you use it against me - I have NO PICK here at KC -11.  Using 14-game slate.  In my contest I get the extra game - as everyone does - and used the -7 they gave me.

6-7 this week

28-32 overall.

Over there I actually missed week 1 and also missed the DEN win this past THU.

So I am 21-23 (7-9, plus 9-7, plus 5-7).  Chance to even things tonight with GB cover and KC covering at minus 7.

Also had what they call an EXACTA in week 2, which is - you guessed it - picking the exact score of a game.

Slow start.

Meh.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 02:56:42 PM
UNO

I deleted my bait post, admittedly

I posted an incorrect accounting of my score picks for week 3 (that I was 8-8), figuring that as in the past when Bank just KNEW there was something amiss (heh) he would correct me.

Except he didnt.  I wonder why.

Instead he used the INCORRECT figure, my bait - in a post meant to once again - CORRECT someone.
He just cannot help himself, Bank - the all knowing, the GREAT CORRECTOR.

He was dumbfuck WRONG - yet again - as I was in fact 9-7 for week 3.

TFF

What's too fucking funny is that kid can't be trusted on to accurately or honestly count to 10.

As i posted above he deleted a post and edited his results.

And as posted above by kid, he posted wrong results.

Except he did it 2 weeks in 3 .

In week 1 he under-reported his score and only corrected his count upon a challenge.

in week 2 he was evasive about his picks, it took him about 10 hrs after the fact to clear it up the confusion.

I was wrong and admitted to it at the time.

In week 3 he called his hand at 8-8 (and I eyeballed it and it looked ok) and then about 3-4 days later he edited his 8-8 to 9-7.

And I questioned it at the time, (the multi-asterisk post) but kid never offered any clarification.

Until today when his bullshit was called, and now he says he intentionally lied and posted wrong results.


So everything I've posted is true.

kid can not be trusted to provide an honest and accurate score, whether its his cheating or pure stupidity.

I can go on about how kid has used old lines knowing they'te no longer good, or past-posting picks and playing dumb or conveniently forgetting his losses and only counting new winners until he starts losing again (his baseball moneyline fiasco) but lets just let

sleeping kid's lies speak for themself.

It what the bitch is going to do any way.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
Bank trying to sell to a jury that had I been "trying to cheat" in week 1 I would say 6-8, not 7-8, in place of 6-9

Who the fuck would believe this?

Law school dropout, i suppose he is.  But that's not important

His taking of the bait proved all you need to know.

There cant BE any lying when the picks are posted.  Not sure why Bank fails to see this.  And insists on tension where there is none

When someone posts a pick or 2 then comes back at 3-1 or 4-2, now that could be subject to scrutiny

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
The idea that somebody cares about your picks is what needs to be subject to scrutiny.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 03:18:29 PM
in week 2 he was evasive about his picks, it took him about 10 hrs after the fact to clear it up the confusion.


Like I said - it's POSTED.  How could I be evasive?


Sep 17, 5:05 PM


Cleveland  -6   Bengals   43.5      24-21



Sep 20, 12:52 PM


Thurs. 9/17 8:20 PM Cleveland -6 Bengals 43.5   24-21

Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Philly -2 Rams 46            27-23
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TB -9 Panthers 49          31-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Pitt -7.5 Broncos 43.5     23-13
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Falcons 52.5      31-27
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM 49ers -7 NYJ 42.5           24-16
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Bills -5.5 Miami 41.5        26-19
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Indy -3 Vikes 48             21-24
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM GB -6 Lions 47.5            27-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM Chicago -5 Giants 43      24-17
Sun. 9/20 1:00 PM TN -9 Jags 42.5             26-19

Sun. 9/20 4:05 PM AZ -7 Wash. Team 46.5.      24-21
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Ravens -7 Houston 51.5.     28-24
Sun. 9/20 4:25 PM Chiefs -8.5 LAC 49.      31-20
Sun. 9/20 8:20 PM Seattle -3.5 Pats 45.      21-17

Mon. 9/21 8:15 PM Saints -6.5 LV 51.5.     34-21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Kid

you've laid down a history of misrepresenting your picks for years and boasting about your expertise.

and most of us understand you're full of shit.

And you've been caught several times in your misrepresentations.

and today you just admitted to one.

Now you're blaming me for you lies and willful misrepresentations?


Quote
There cant BE any lying when the picks are posted

Kid changed the subject-that not what I said,

I said you misrepesented your results.

And you did in 2 of 3 weeks. and you admitted such

Hopefully you'll be more honest in the future.

But in the interim I'll take the under for kid's truth.

and the over for his lies
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 03:22:26 PM
Except I'm not trolling.

I pointed out kid has deleted posts in this forum re his football picks.

I never have.

Now go fuck yourself again

Deny, deny, deny.

Bottom line, you do the same thing in so many other ways. Not to mention your little email campaigns you wage behind the scenes, weasel.

Besides, who gives a fuck what kid or you think about your stupid bets on other people's accomplishments and your pathetic records doing so, you lying douchebag?

And, again if you're going to keep trolling, go to the proper forum.

Maybe your daughter can play that CSNY album you gave her and pull up the track "Deja Vu" for you.

When it comes to the BS you toss around it's just the SSDD.

Fuckhead.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
The idea that somebody cares about your picks is what needs to be subject to scrutiny.

 ;D
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
Back to the box, Bank.  Lets call it a one week sentence.  See ya next Monday.

Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter.  Only one of us needs to be transparent.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 03:27:35 PM
The gutless indecent troll seems upset

kid and hammy now that's a fucking pair

Why don't the two of you go resuming fucking yourselves.

Kid will take the over

hammy prefers the under

heh
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 03:29:43 PM
Back to the box, Bank.  Lets call it a one week sentence.  See ya next Monday.

Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter.  Only one of us needs to be transparent.


heh

kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.

enjoy the view kid

make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 03:31:01 PM
The gutless indecent troll seems upset

kid and hammy now that's a fucking pair

Why don't the two of you go resuming fucking yourselves.

Kid will take the over

hammy prefers the under

heh
 


Here's an updated for you, shitfuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6G2r-jecHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6G2r-jecHc)

Be interesting if your employer saw what you do here.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 03:34:16 PM
Back to the box, Bank.  Lets call it a one week sentence.  See ya next Monday.

Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter.  Only one of us needs to be transparent.


heh

kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.

enjoy the view kid

make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly

Default setting hit. Typical. banks goes homophobic when exposed as the fraud he is.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 03:41:15 PM
Back to the box, Bank.  Lets call it a one week sentence.  See ya next Monday.

Make sure you get your results in - picks don't matter.  Only one of us needs to be transparent.


heh

kid is putting his head up his ass rather than deal with unpleasant truths.

enjoy the view kid

make room for Utley's dick it should be along shortly

Default setting hit. Typical. banks goes homophobic when exposed as the fraud he is.

Not homophobic at all, I dont care what you guys do.

I don't want to see kid get poked in the eye.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2020, 03:56:45 PM
The cornered rat is the most pathetic of rodents.

Sad rml, sad.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 04:03:15 PM
The cornered rat is the most pathetic of rodents.

Sad rml, sad.

Troll I understand the heat of passion may overtake you

but remember to mask up

and bring one for everybody

one for hammy, utley, piggy, Uno and sybil just in case she shows up

better get a 12-pack in case I've left anyone out.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
Texans fire HC Bill O'Brien

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start)

HOUSTON -- The Texans have fired head coach and general manager Bill O'Brien and have named associate head coach Romeo Crennel the team's interim head coach.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2020, 06:43:14 PM
Texans fire HC Bill O'Brien

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048287/sources-houston-texans-fire-coach-gm-bill-obrien-0-4-start)

HOUSTON -- The Texans have fired head coach and general manager Bill O'Brien and have named associate head coach Romeo Crennel the team's interim head coach.


Because his track record is so much better...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 06:52:11 PM
 For the sake of whatever....

Adjusted line is KC -11

KC 30 Pats 17

Enjoy, all.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
Did Chicken Shit Bank make a pick tonight?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
heh

I wouldn't touch this game with a 6 ft pole.

social distancing


and as I told you I've no interest in picking games where you're involved

you're a cheating lieing sack of shit

so just plain old distancing because you also smell like a sack of shit.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
Pats got screwed out of a pick-6

nice jobs refs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 08:18:40 PM
kid seems upset

not sure why as he admitted to doing exactly what I said he did.

kid's brain damaged,

Algernon

heh

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
Hoyer-rookie mistake
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Hoyer-rookie mistake

X2

fuck
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 09:03:06 PM
BB benchs Brian

BB pissed at rookie mistakes by a vet

Stidham in

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 09:08:59 PM
Stiddy up!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 09:10:44 PM
Beauty by Stidham

Bellechick continues to confound with use of running backs - how is Harris not in when they are 1st/goal inside the 10?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 09:13:07 PM
Live odds right now

KC -6.5

Love it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
oh Jules

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2020, 09:36:57 PM
too many mistakes

too many turnovers

wasted a great D effort
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2020, 09:42:28 PM
Romo booking Patriots a playoff spot

Interesting
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2020, 09:06:34 AM
So...

we get to 8-7 this week after winning the last three vs the number (didnt have the Philly upset) -

30-32

For week - -$70. 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2020, 10:01:03 AM
Sad Sam Darnold out this week

Jets being roasted for having Mekhi Becton dressed for the game, when clearly he wasn't capable of playing.

Vultures circling Meadowlands.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2020, 01:15:07 PM
They're going crazy about the "fumble" by Mahomes in New England today.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2020, 01:33:07 PM
Sad Sam Darnold out this week

Jets being roasted for having Mekhi Becton dressed for the game, when clearly he wasn't capable of playing.

Vultures circling Meadowlands.

Lotta dead bodies and dead hopes in that part of Jersey for vultures to feed on

could been worse-Trump could have held a rally at the stadium.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Looks like Pats fans will have their excuses lined up for not making the play-offs this year. The situation is worsening in un-investigated New England: Another big-name New England Patriots player has tested positive for COVID-19.

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Wednesday morning that reigning Defensive Player of the Year Stephon Gilmore tested positive in Tuesday's round of testing, per a source informed of the situation.

Gilmore underwent additional testing to confirm the positive result.

With the latest positive test, the Patriots have canceled Wednesday's practice and will conduct virtual meetings. Pelissero reports that while the Patriots have informed all Tier 1/2 personnel that work will be remote Wednesday, everyone still must report to the facility to undergo daily COVID-19 testing.

The test marks the third player affected by COVID-19 in New England in recent days. Cam Newton tested positive for the novel coronavirus and landed on the reserve/COVID-19 list last week. Practice-squad defensive lineman Bill Murray was placed on the reserve list Tuesday.


https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-cb-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-for-covid-19 (https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-cb-stephon-gilmore-tests-positive-for-covid-19)

"It is what it is."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2020, 11:08:55 AM
The Jets had Broadway Joe. The Bengals have Queen City Joe, which sounds more sashay than cache'.


https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-palmer-believes-joe-burrow-can-get-bengals-to-the-next-level (https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-palmer-believes-joe-burrow-can-get-bengals-to-the-next-level)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 01:02:44 AM
In case I had any doubts about the league's choice to let the Patriots play, Gilmore's post-game hug of Mahomes prior to Gilmore's COVID-positive test would cement it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
In case I had any doubts about the league's choice to let the Patriots play, Gilmore's post-game hug of Mahomes prior to Gilmore's COVID-positive test would cement it.

That was just a part of the Pats plan.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2020, 01:33:09 PM
Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51

10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins    47
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5

10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers  51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 08, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Buccaneers
Atlanta
Kansas City
Rams
Houston
Bills         
Cardinals         
Eagles
Baltimore       
San Francisco
New England
Dallas
Cleveland
Seattle
Chargers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 02:18:49 PM
What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?

That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.

There's a reason that not everybody in a given room gets sick, Kid. Is that truly news to you?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2020, 03:26:56 PM
What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?

That he deferred and took the wind to his back.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2020, 04:53:34 PM
What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?

That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.



Yep

Length of time very important.  Remember this in your other conversations.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2020, 05:08:41 PM
Its a good thing that in bars and restaurants, airplanes, subways, trains, movie theatres, offices, stadiums and schools, just a name a few gathering places, the interactions between people are so brief making it unlikely for the virus to spread.

oh,

never mind

and disregard what kid says, he's an idiot

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2020, 10:04:44 PM
Work cut out for Tom tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 10:46:42 PM
What does it say if Mahomes does not get infected?

That he got lucky that it was very short and that he didn't catch it anyway.



Yep

Length of time very important.  Remember this in your other conversations.

Pretty much none of mine with you are nearly short enough.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2020, 11:37:53 PM
Tom had a senior moment there.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2020, 12:09:23 AM
I'm enjoying rooting for Brady.  Tough to see the brain lock.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2020, 12:11:23 AM
Brady

Making Tampa Great Again

just not tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2020, 09:58:22 AM
The NY Jets have had a player test positive for COVID-19
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2020, 10:51:56 AM
Looks like Brady can no longer count to 4. Time to go see the neurologist.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
The NY Jets have had a player test positive for COVID-19

Only positive in the J-E-T-S season
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 09:06:38 AM
Patriots facllity/Titans facility shut down again - but thus far no cancellations.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 09:54:28 AM
Patriots facllity/Titans facility shut down again - but thus far no cancellations.

per the Globe

The NFL announced that it will postpone the Patriots' Monday game against the Denver Broncos at Gillette Stadium after the Patriots received another positive COVID-19 test.

Game has been rescheduled for next Sunday 10-18.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
eh looking schedule today

best game is probably Lakers-Heat

then Astro's-Rays
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 01:58:23 PM

Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins    47
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5

10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers  51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 02:02:41 PM
eh looking schedule today

best game is probably Lakers-Heat

then Astro's-Rays

Game nI am watching now ---    KC-LV

Plus  Colts-Browns
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
Cowboys could be fighting to get back to first place vs G-men.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 02:04:30 PM
I remember WBW when Chiefs -Raiders was the late game on NBC and was usually a great game.

and when bookies took bets up until about 5 minutes until kick-off as long as they could lay-off

kid's got a very forgiving bookie, letting him pick games mid-2nd qtr.

more trolling from the troll

SSDD

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
Carr torching Chiefs secondary
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
heh - re:  Carr and LV

Based on trends this game was an UNDER

Started in Vegas at 58, bet down to 55, maybe lower.

Sharks seem to have had it wrong.  I need all the help I can get with O/U so I listened.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 02:57:36 PM

Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
heh - re:  Carr and LV

Based on trends this game was an UNDER

Started in Vegas at 58, bet down to 55, maybe lower.

Sharks seem to have had it wrong.  I need all the help I can get with O/U so I listened.

It's quite the pitchers' duel, huh?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 03:09:55 PM

Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?

I am told nobody cares.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 03:16:56 PM

Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?

I am told nobody cares.

Nobody does.

But if you're going to pick games then pick under the rules that everyone in the world has adopted.

you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.

And keep an honest count.

You want to play under your own "kid rules" that flaunt convention and are totally meaningless you will be mocked.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 03:20:44 PM

Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

Isn't predicting 1pm games at 2pm usually frowned upon by you?

I am told nobody cares.

You told me that you care.

No shock that you don't.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 03:56:54 PM


Week 5  NFL


NFL Line Week 5 10/8 - 12, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

10/8 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3.5 Chicago 44.5     23-17

10/11 1:00 ET Atlanta -2 Panthers         54      31-28
10/11 1:00 ET Kansas City -13 Raiders 56.5     34-20
10/11 1:00 ET Rams -7 Washington 45        27-19
10/11 1:00 ET Houston -6 Jaguars 54        30-27
10/11 1:00 ET Bills         -8 Tennessee 49
10/11 1:00 ET Cardinals         -7 NY Jets 46.5     27-21
10/11 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7 Eagles 44              27-19     
10/11 1:00 ET Baltimore        -13 Bengals 51     38-24

10/11 4:05 ET San Francisco -8 Dolphins    47         27-17
10/11 4:25 ET New England -10.5 Broncos 48.5       - off -
10/11 4:25 ET Dallas -9.5 Giants 54            34-27
10/11 4:25 ET Colts -1.5 Cleveland 47         24-21
10/11 8:20 ET Seattle -7 Vikings 57.5          31-23

10/12 8:15 ET New Orleans -7.5 Chargers  51       34-21

10/13  ????   Bills  -8  Tennessee   27-17


Parlay -   COLTS, SAINTS, BILLS


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
Damn they're going to Heidi this game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 04:24:58 PM
The Wonderful World of Giants

JFC
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.



I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank

My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 05:05:52 PM
you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.



I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank

My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.

attaboy!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 11, 2020, 06:40:59 PM
That is not a cramp.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 06:41:21 PM
Gordon Hayward winced on that.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 11, 2020, 07:42:20 PM
Last time the Browns were 4-1 their head coach was.Bill Belicheck and they peat New England in the playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 07:46:30 PM
Giants play it soft at :31 remaining

And there went the season.

Dalton was a mess.  Have to pressure there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
you pick games before they start not an hour into the game.



I'm not arguing with you about picks any more, Bank

My early game selections were inserted via Facebook before noon.

I presume you won't give us a screen shot of that.

Pretty easy to make claims posted where nobody else can see them, Kid. They came here a hair before 2pm, ET.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 11:20:00 PM
Vikings' head coach should be fired.

Even if they win, he should be canned for not going for the field goal.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 12, 2020, 01:51:22 PM
Re:  Minnesota

I'd agree.

What I'd love to know is did they blitz Russ on the 4th and 10?  If they didnt, like the Giants playing soft vs Dalton - there's your critique.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2020, 09:56:37 PM
Vrabel sends a message

or he had the over
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on October 14, 2020, 06:17:02 PM
Saban tests positive.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2020, 09:06:46 PM
Roll Tide
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 15, 2020, 12:31:15 AM
Roll Tide

Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Roll Tide

Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!

That's a good question, IDK, we should probably ask kid, as he likely has a hot take on the benefits of bleach and getting "whiter than white". Which I beleive was the slogan for the SEC WBW. That's more a question for Red.

Back to the NFL, no game tonight as covid as f'ed up the NFL schedule and Bills-Chief gets pushed to Monday at 5pm.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 15, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Hall of Famer Fred Dean dies from the Trump Virus.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 15, 2020, 11:58:44 AM
Roll Tide

Does it work as well as Clorox, if I use the liquid instead of the powder?!

That's a good question, IDK, we should probably ask kid, as he likely has a hot take on the benefits of bleach and getting "whiter than white". Which I beleive was the slogan for the SEC WBW. That's more a question for Red.

Back to the NFL, no game tonight as covid as f'ed up the NFL schedule and Bills-Chief gets pushed to Monday at 5pm.

A relief to Trump, who thinks he will be better off head to head with Biden and having more people see him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2020, 12:02:33 PM

NFL Line Week 6, 10/15 - 19, 2020

Date & Time Favorite         Line Underdog Total

10/18 1:00 ET Carolina         -2.5 Bears         44
10/18 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Jacksonville 54.5
10/18 1:00 ET Minnesota -3.5 Falcons         55
10/18 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans         55
10/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 WFT          43
10/18 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Browns     51
10/18 1:00 ET Ravens -7.5 Philadelphia 47.5
10/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7.5 Bengals    46.5
10/18 1:00 ET New England -9 Broncos    46

10/18 4:05 ET Miami -8.5 Jets                 47.5
10/18 4:25 ET Packers -1.5 Tampa Bay 54
10/18 8:20 ET Rams -3.5 San Francisco 51

10/19 5:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Buffalo      55
10/19 8:15 ET Cardinals         -2.5 Dallas       54.5

Bye Week:  Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers,
New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2020, 06:01:41 PM
Cowboys choose Gilbert over Kaepernick

He can continue being a martyr
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 11:17:55 AM
still waiting for the results from week 5

the count must have been slowed for some inexplicable reason

maybe Rasmussen has the #s

SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 11:41:46 AM
I think I was 4-10  - for -$800
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
I think I was 4-10  - for -$800

rough week.

good luck this week
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 12:40:14 PM
34-42 overall.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
PICKS!  PICKS!  PICKS!


NFL Line Week 6, 10/15 - 19, 2020

Date & Time Favorite         Line Underdog Total

10/18 1:00 ET Carolina         -2.5 Bears         44        24-21         
10/18 1:00 ET Lions -3.5 Jacksonville 54.5            31-27
10/18 1:00 ET Minnesota -3.5 Falcons         55       35-31
10/18 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Texans         55          28-24
10/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 WFT          43            23-19
10/18 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Browns     51        27-21           
10/18 1:00 ET Ravens -7.5 Philadelphia 47.5         28-21
10/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7.5 Bengals    46.5       28-17
10/18 1:00 ET New England -9 Broncos    46         26-19

10/18 4:05 ET Miami -8.5 Jets                 47.5        31-17
10/18 4:25 ET Packers -1.5 Tampa Bay 54           28-24
10/18 8:20 ET Rams -3.5 San Francisco 51         31-28

10/19 5:00 ET Chiefs -3.5 Buffalo      55           31-27
10/19 8:15 ET Cardinals         -2.5 Dallas       54.5          34-27

Bye Week:  Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers,
New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks


PARLAY -   Miami, Green Bay, Arizona
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 17, 2020, 01:26:02 PM
Bears               
Lions
Falcons       
Texans       
WTG     
Browns       
Ravens
Indianapolis
New England
Miami
Tampa Bay
Rams
Chiefs
Cardinals         
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 02:22:04 PM
The Patriots look awful.

The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.

No idea who will win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 02:32:57 PM
The Patriots look awful.

The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.

No idea who will win.

They do look awful. both sides of the ball.

That sack on Newton that took them out of FG range-he held the ball forever. Dude should rewind his internal clock.

And the D seemed De stracted and can't stop anything and Broncos are running easily

I wonder if the D knows there's a game this week.

From what I saw Broncos were the better team in the 1st half
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
The Patriots look awful.

The Broncos look a smidgen better, but that's all.

No idea who will win.

They do look awful. both sides of the ball.

That sack on Newton that took them out of FG range-he held the ball forever. Dude should rewind his internal clock.

And the D seemed De stracted and can't stop anything and Broncos are running easily

I wonder if the D knows there's a game this week.

From what I saw Broncos were the better team in the 1st half

Or at least the Patriots were the worse team...

And again so far in the 3rd quarter, w/5 minutes to go.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 03:22:40 PM
This game is awful

G-Men v Wash is on in the background seems eh

I'm hoping TB12 and Rodgers provides a good game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 04:19:20 PM
It was funny and fitting my Pats game on-line kept on crashing and with them mounting a comeback 4th and 10 from the Broncos 24, the game crashed again for the last time.

So did the Pats.

They were miserable today.

Congrats to the G-Men on losing their cherry.

Don't think the Jets will.

Hope the Bucs and Pack is a good game.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on October 18, 2020, 04:40:02 PM

Congrats to the G-Men on losing their cherry.


Thanks to riverboat Ron gambling on the 2pt conversion.

Happy for Joe Judge getting his first head coaching victory. 

Had been knocking on the door for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 04:48:22 PM
That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.

Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas

John McClane takes on Covid

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.

Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas

John McClane takes on Covid

I was thinking... taking Trump out of the White House.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 05:56:40 PM
TB12 to GRONK

still makes me smile
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 06:04:26 PM
That Die Hard commercial was pretty good.

Can we assume Die Hard 2020 on tap this X-Mas

John McClane takes on Covid

I was thinking... taking Trump out of the White House.

Yippee Kai-Yay Motherfucker!

that works for me
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 11:08:14 AM
TB12 to GRONK

still makes me smile

Never seen one play turn a game so like that Rodgers pick 6

Nice to see all men are human.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 11:37:17 AM
So, anyway - I feel fortunate to have gotten covers in Phiily-Bal and especially Tennessee-Hou but what in holy hell happened in the NYG game?

Analysts were befuddled that the (totally incompetent) D Jones interception late that gave Wash their chance wasnt overturned (for elbow out of bounds)

Anyone see it?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 19, 2020, 12:12:49 PM
TB12 to GRONK

still makes me smile

Never seen one play turn a game so like that Rodgers pick 6
Well, you clearly missed the opening kickoff of the Browns/Steelers game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 09:10:25 PM
Hey Ezekiel - how about you take the fucking nose ring out - might be a good start.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 19, 2020, 09:21:07 PM
 Old School Kid is the best Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2020, 08:37:51 AM
And the old Kid is back

9-5 vs the number

$250 profit
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2020, 07:47:42 PM
The Giants could still make the play-offs. Not likely, but possible.  A win tomorrow night in Philly would be HUGE.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30156724/how-bad-nfc-east-fpi-says-produce-four-win-playoff-team (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30156724/how-bad-nfc-east-fpi-says-produce-four-win-playoff-team)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2020, 04:15:59 PM
NFC East is wide open!

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
Shit, sorry, Whisk


@Philadelphia.  -4.  Giants.   43.5.         

25-19
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
I had the Gs.

This is like watching two one win teams who deserve to be one win teams playing like two one win teams who deserve to be one win teams.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2020, 10:24:12 PM
Well, that one will be emblematic.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
I have opted to watch two 0-5 women's soccer teams.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2020, 10:44:26 PM
Remind me not to buy whatever shoes Daniel Jones is wearing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 11:57:05 PM
And Giants get the key draft edge!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 23, 2020, 08:51:00 PM
Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 23, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
That will be good for a couple games. Maybe later they can move on to Josh Gordon.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2020, 11:54:42 PM
Or OBJ
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Tom Brady must be a happy camper tonight. TB signed Antonio Brown.
That will be good for a couple games. Maybe later they can move on to Josh Gordon.

heh

Comparing Gordon to Brown.

Idiocy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
NFL week 7

@Philly. -4.  Giants.  43.5.      25-19.       L

Steelers -1.5.  @Tennessee.      52
Browns -3.5. @ Cincy.     50.5
Cowboys -1.5. @Washington.    47.5
@Atlanta. -2.5. Lions.      57
@New Orleans. -7.5.  Panthers.  51.5
Bills. -13. @ NY Jets.     46
Packers -3.5. @Houston.    56.5



Late games to come
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 11:51:42 AM

NFL week 7

@Philly. -4.  Giants.  43.5.      25-19.       L

Steelers -1.5.  @Tennessee.      52.   33-26
Browns -3.5. @ Cincy.     50.5.  27-24
Cowboys -1.5. @Washington.    47.5.    28-24
@Atlanta. -2.5. Lions.      57.  28-31
@New Orleans. -7.5.  Panthers.  51.5.   31-23
Bills. -13. @ NY Jets.     46.  38-17
Packers -3.5. @Houston.    56.5.  30-27

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 11:58:34 AM
Week 7 late games



Seahawks -3.5. @Arizona.   56.5
@New England -2.5. Niners.  45.5
Chiefs -9. @Denver.  48
@LA Chargers -8. Jaguars. 49.5
Buccaneers -3. @Las Vegas.  53.5

@LA Rams -5.5. Bears.    46
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 11:59:59 AM
Fantasy note - picked up Gronk for rest of the year.  Dealt M Andrews for Lamb
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 12:36:06 PM

Week 7 late games



Seahawks -3.5. @Arizona.   56.5         30-31
@New England -2.5. Niners.  45.5       20-17
Chiefs -9. @Denver.  48             34-20
@LA Chargers -8. Jaguars. 49.5               28-17
Buccaneers -3. @Las Vegas.  53.5           24-23

@LA Rams -5.5. Bears.    46              27-24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 02:25:54 PM
Looking like Pittsburgh may manage to cover, based on the 1st half.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
Looking like Pittsburgh may manage to cover, based on the 1st half.

I was right, but... only barely! (It's too bad - I wanted the Titans to win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2020, 04:14:56 PM
some nutty-wild endings (bad-beats etc) in the early games
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 25, 2020, 04:16:12 PM
Browns now 5 - 0 when they score at least twice.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
Falcons invent new way to lose.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 04:50:08 PM
If you missed it - all ATL had to do was take 3 knees and kick the game winning 27-30 yeard FG.

Had 1st and goal from the 10 with a minute left, down 2.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 05:15:31 PM
Cam Newton is not going to make anybody forget Matt Castle, the way he has played so far this year. Today is just underscoring the point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2020, 05:19:32 PM
Cam Newton is not going to make anybody forget Matt Castle, the way he has played so far this year. Today is just underscoring the point.

Well said.

I expected the offense to be sub-par, but they are almost unwatchable
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 06:50:03 PM
Wow - missed call alert in TB game

Receiver was mugged.  Tampa gets ball at TB 24 up 11



heh

NFL.......
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
38-20

Pretty good finish taken from fans
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 07:01:23 PM
38-20

Pretty good finish taken from fans
Because it was so close, otherwise, and the outcome guaranteed to be a close one.

Not that I can speak from having watched it, because it's not even viewable on the paid NFL option up here.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2020, 07:37:05 PM
10-2 straight, 5-7 spread
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
strange game-SeaHawks have been dancing on a tightrope all season

tonight they slipped


good game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 09:48:37 AM
Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era?  Pretty evident that should be the next move.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder.  But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.


Here's to his continued good health.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 10:55:17 AM
Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era?  Pretty evident that should be the next move.

says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!

TFF

kid must have Harris on his fantasy team!

Damien.

Kamala's on mine!


8-8 might have been too optimistic, this is a team with a lot of problems
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder.  But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.


Here's to his continued good health.

So, giving up guaranteed contracts and the potential for a longer career is a "great decision".

Sure.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era?  Pretty evident that should be the next move.

says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!



OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early.  But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
Kyler Murray was supposedly a hell of a center fielder.  But what a great decision he made to commit to the NFL full bore.


Here's to his continued good health.

So, giving up guaranteed contracts and the potential for a longer career is a "great decision".

Sure.

I don't think you are sure.

I am.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 11:20:12 AM
Re:. Harris

I did have him on my team for about three days

He is available in the league now, as is Burkhead and White.

Belly back bingo, anyone?

Heh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era?  Pretty evident that should be the next move.

says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!



OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early.  But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles

But time wasn't on his side,  he's old and hurt.

Edelman is a football player. He busts his ass BUT he played hurt and slow last year-it was obvious he was cooked.

He should have begged TB12 to take him to Tampa to retire gracefully.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 11:23:03 AM
Or OBJ

KoD

just heard he tore his ACL.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html


Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.

I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 26, 2020, 02:00:07 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html


Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.

I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
Simm9ns has barely played all year, and didn't play in the first half last night. Maybe he is too much of a.tweener, maybe the Cards haven't figured him out yet, maybe he fell into a cholla and no one told us. But until that play he has had very little impact.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 26, 2020, 02:03:33 PM
Or OBJ

KoD

just heard he tore his ACL.
And Baker had his best stretch of football after he left. I had read he had gotten too conditioned to look for OBJ first, instead of letting the play dictate his decisions. Maybe he can get back to spreading the ball more.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 02:14:18 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-thomas-former-coach-breaks-150842093.html


Mistake pick. SIMMONS was the way to go.

I hear he did something impressive last night in front of a national audience.
Simm9ns has barely played all year, and didn't play in the first half last night. Maybe he is too much of a.tweener, maybe the Cards haven't figured him out yet, maybe he fell into a cholla and no one told us. But until that play he has had very little impact.



Right.

Took him til week 7 of his rookie season to make an impact.   Imagine that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
Really the only question would be whether or not defensive coordinator Vance Joseph would know how to use him adequately.

Simmons would be a great pick for the Cardinals



https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/31/mock-draft-nfl-draft-arizona-cardinals-isaiah-simmons/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2020, 05:26:13 PM
Blame the Black guy: https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/how-cam-newtons-mechanics-are-impacting-julian-edelman (https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/how-cam-newtons-mechanics-are-impacting-julian-edelman)

When looking further into things, perhaps Newton’s throwing mechanics and not throwing to the right side of the field are playing into Edelman’s lack of production.



Well, that's Boston.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 06:28:44 PM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
Patriots are losing because of CHI-NA.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 08:42:11 PM
 :By most accounts Patriots had a poor draft, correct?

All those wideouts passed up - and now you are looking for one?

Pats always GOT ONE for Tom.  Lets see what they do for Cam.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
:By most accounts Patriots had a poor draft, correct?

All those wideouts passed up - and now you are looking for one?

Pats always GOT ONE for Tom.  Lets see what they do for Cam.

BB has had very mixed draft results over the past several years.

Eventually missing on a lot of high picks, (1st and 2nd rounders) catch-up with you.

Outside of "damaged" good in Randy Moss, Brady really never had great (pro-bowlers) receivers. BB had a lot of misses at WR in the draft. Brady had Welker and Jules in the slot, and a great TE in Gronk, but his receivers were generally pretty pedestrian. The name guys they went after the past few years, AB, Gordon, Sanu, for various reasons were busts.

I wouldn't expect them to do anything dramatic (use significant cap space or draft capital) re WR this year.

This seemed like a transition year after Brady left, and more so post covid opt outs.

Too many holes.

I'd prefer them to be sellers and not buyers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
Welker was acquired and had 672 catches in 6 years

Moss was acquired and had 47 TD in 3 years.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2020, 10:00:07 PM
Welker was acquired and had 672 catches in 6 years

Moss was acquired and had 47 TD in 3 years.

I know.

Brady played for the Pats for 19 years his list of pro-bowl offensive position players is pretty short. 

He never had the studs receivers that for example, your boy Benny R. did.

Brady pretty much had no-name guys to throw to.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.

How's the daughter, btw? Work through your record collection, yet?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 12:05:11 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.


Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.

Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.

best of luck
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.


Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.

Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.

best of luck

Still miss your wife, don't you, banks? Lonely old fool.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 12:17:10 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.


Its not my problem nor concern I seem to occupy so much of the empty space between your ears and fill you with feelings of insecurity and your worthlessness.

Work on your deep-seated racism though, it may be a more productive use of your time.

best of luck

Still miss your wife, don't you, banks? Lonely old fool.

Heh
You really are a delusional stalker and obssessed.

And q-tips your ears from time to time, it will help bring some air and light into that very dark and filthy space.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2020, 01:47:38 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.

The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2020, 07:33:44 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.

The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)

Shhhhh. Josh. It's been two decades. He has yet to learn that no one really cares what his opinions are.

But nice to see you still try to ride you his rescue, when he's getting his asd kivked to the curb again.

You're a good teammate, joshie.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.

The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)

The troll is too stupid to undertstand the irony of his bleatings.

The troll's long-established deviant stalking behavior towards me (and others) which again he seems proud of, only exposes his delusions and his obvious human deficiencies.

SSDD.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 12:24:13 PM
Here's a question or two

Is Trevor Lawrence worth tanking for?

and

With the Jets (0-7) using the 3rd pick of the 2018 draft on Sam Darnold and the NYFG (1-6) using the 6th pick of the 2019 draft on Daniel Jones, and both teams in contention for snagging the #1 pick (and presumably the rights to the Clemson Kid) what would your inclinations be re the choices you would have?

Do you stick with the guys who you viewed as your franchise QBs or do you look to the next guy as the franchise savior?

Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?

or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2020, 12:31:06 PM
Troll- you're the one who's said Newton's race is somehow critical to his job he won in NE.

Perhaps your time would be better spent addressing and overcoming your own deep racism.

Maybe you could deal with your deep seated delusion that you are worth anyone's time.

The irony of your spending time telling him that he's delusional for thinking he's worth anyone's time is too circular for words. (Added to create a second circle.)

Shhhhh. Josh. It's been two decades. He has yet to learn that no one really cares what his opinions are.

But nice to see you still try to ride you his rescue, when he's getting his asd kivked to the curb again.

You're a good teammate, joshie.

My comment has nothing to do with him, Ham.

It's all about your verbiage.

I'm not the one claiming his words are worth your time, you are.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 27, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.

That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 27, 2020, 12:48:05 PM
Here's a question or two

Is Trevor Lawrence worth tanking for?

and

With the Jets (0-7) using the 3rd pick of the 2018 draft on Sam Darnold and the NYFG (1-6) using the 6th pick of the 2019 draft on Daniel Jones, and both teams in contention for snagging the #1 pick (and presumably the rights to the Clemson Kid) what would your inclinations be re the choices you would have?

Do you stick with the guys who you viewed as your franchise QBs or do you look to the next guy as the franchise savior?

Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?

or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?
I think Lawrence is generational. I like Fields, but he is not on that level. Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Luck, and he may be a better prospect than Luck.

Unless you are sitting on an elite QB talent already, you take Lawrence. Darn old can be a an upper middle level QB but I do not see him as elite. I would draft Lawrence, invest in OL talent on the FA market and the rest of the 2020 draft to protect him, jettison other veteran talent for draft choices in 21 and 22. But I take him,.even if I am the Cowboys with Dak Prescott coming back.

If the Jesters have any serviceable veteran talent to trade, that is. Got any WR we could borrow?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 27, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.

That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted,  that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 01:00:23 PM
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.

That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted,  that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.

Yup like the Ram's trade of RG3 draft rights  to the Skins (3 1s) or the Cowboys-Vikes Herschel Walker haul. (too complicated to remember-but about half the Vikes and a trillion picks)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
Do you trade the pick for a basket of picks to build around etc (and keep Sam and Danny)?

or do you trade your ex-savior for a pick (probably a decent one) and go with Trevor, who looks like the real deal?



Neither.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
Addendum -

assuming it is the 2 or 3 pick that is dealing up to us I make the deal for the picks, then drfat 2nd/3rd.

Jets may deal Darnold.  Giants are keeping Jones.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Meanwhile, Jeff Garcia thinks the F in NFL stands for Fashion.

STFU, has-been.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 01:47:06 PM
Addendum -

assuming it is the 2 or 3 pick that is dealing up to us I make the deal for the picks, then drfat 2nd/3rd.

Jets may deal Darnold.  Giants are keeping Jones.

so to be clear, if you're the G-Men GM and get the #1 pick and rights to TL, you will trade only to 2nd or 3rd team in the draft, but wouldn't trade for a package from a lower positioned team (lke 10, or 15 etc) that could still offer a ton of picks, and theoretically, as you're keeping Danny, you would draft the best available player non TL-player at #1?

As for the Jets, draft TL, and trade Darnold?  (I agree with this)

And it seems your original "neither" answer was instead, "both".

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
I dont speak for the Jets

They may see something in Sam they want to ride with. 

Is it your thinking either team could geta  second round pick for Jones/Darnold?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
Just for kicks, Bank - you have the 12th pick.  What do you offer with it for the 1?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 27, 2020, 02:15:20 PM
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Peyton. I'm sure both the Jets and Giants would take him in a second. Guys like Darnold, Jones even Mayfield are there every year. Lawrence isn't.

That's my inclination as well. I wonder what draft packages would be sweet enough to dissuade his rights holder to swap out of Trevor, who might be the the next generational can't miss college guy who is seen as a franchise QB like Peyton,or Luck.
As someone else noted,  that is the type of trade you read about on the back page of the NY tabloids for decades.

Yup like the Ram's trade of RG3 draft rights  to the Skins (3 1s) or the Cowboys-Vikes Herschel Walker haul. (too complicated to remember-but about half the Vikes and a trillion picks)
But for the Jesters and the Gnats, with the added NY fishbowl bubble.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
And it seems your original "neither" answer was instead, "both".





neither
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
I dont speak for the Jets

They may see something in Sam they want to ride with. 

Is it your thinking either team could geta  second round pick for Jones/Darnold?

kid we're just giving our opinions as fans.

you speak for yourself as you see the environment

And yes at least a 2 for either guy, maybe more depending on the team (the 1st pick in the 2nd round is a lot more valuable (than the 32nd).

Either team could get a compensatory 3 if they just let these guys go to FA.


IMO either NJ team jetisons their current QB for TL.

IMO2 the risk are too great to pass on him, unless you are overwhelmed with a massive offer-overpay.

which leeds to your next question.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
Just for kicks, Bank - you have the 12th pick.  What do you offer with it for the 1?

Depends on 1) need and 2) next year's draft class, or FA, and where I figure I am.

And do i have to blow-up 2+ years or can I get someone who meets my needs and build around him with the draft and FA

But using a standard draft matrix as a team drafting 12th, it would take my entire draft (1-7) to come up with about 2000 pts on the 3000 needed to get the 1st pick in the 1st round.

Or

2-1s

2-2s

in consecutive years

would be a fair swap according to the matrix and using a 10% discount for year 2.

YEAR 1

draft points

1-1200
2-  460

YEAR 2

1-1080
2-414

Total 3,154 pts

But it would probably take something along those lines.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 06:04:30 PM
And as luck (heh) would have it there is a Trevor  Lawrrence draft story today.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30203144/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior-season-rather-opting-nfl-draft (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30203144/clemson-tigers-qb-trevor-lawrence-hints-staying-senior-season-rather-opting-nfl-draft)


Clemson Tigers quarterback Trevor Lawrence is leaving the door open about his football future despite previously saying he planned on heading to the NFL after this, his junior season.

The 6-foot-6 Lawrence, considered the likely No. 1 pick in next spring's NFL draft, said he hasn't ruled out returning to Clemson for another year instead of going pro.

"My mindset has been that I'm going to move on," Lawrence said Tuesday. "But who knows? There's a lot of things that could happen."


Maybe he believes Trump and doesn't want to play in a ghost town or alongside Jimmy Hoffa's ghost haunting the Meadowlands
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2020, 06:04:52 PM
I dont speak for the Jets

They may see something in Sam they want to ride with. 

Is it your thinking either team could geta  second round pick for Jones/Darnold?

kid we're just giving our opinions as fans.

you speak for yourself as you see the environment

And yes at least a 2 for either guy, maybe more depending on the team (the 1st pick in the 2nd round is a lot more valuable (than the 32nd).

Either team could get a compensatory 3 if they just let these guys go to FA.


IMO either NJ team jetisons their current QB for TL.

IMO2 the risk are too great to pass on him, unless you are overwhelmed with a massive offer-overpay.

which leeds to your next question.

Giants wont have that choice so its quite moot.

Saw some zany ass take today re:  Jags and how they never should have beat Indy.

Losers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 06:47:44 PM
Quote
Giants wont have that choice so its quite moot.

I wouldn't rule out the G-Men yet.

There are about 4-6 teams with a decent shot at the Lawence lottery. And the G-Men seem to have more tix than most.

Eyeballing their schedule there are no gimme's. maybe 2-3 close wins, or they could be losses. 

Jets played a decent Bills team tough last week, I'm not postitive they go 0-2020. I could see them beating a disniterested and bad Patriots team if they play as poorly as they played last week,

But the Jets are probably the favs going into the 2nd half of the season.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 28, 2020, 09:33:00 AM
Bank, you didn't fully answer the question above.  Are you IN or OUT if your stated price is approved?

Further - how long does Bill stay with not so great QB play?  Can he adjust?

(FTR - I do feel Newton may still impress if his COVID fog diminishes)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2020, 10:28:31 AM
Bank, you didn't fully answer the question above.  Are you IN or OUT if your stated price is approved?

Further - how long does Bill stay with not so great QB play?  Can he adjust?

(FTR - I do feel Newton may still impress if his COVID fog diminishes)

Kid I said depending upon need, other draft options, and FA availability, 2-1s and 2-2s (at the 12 draft position) was "fair"  price for TL. 

I think BB adjusts and adapts all the time, its what he does, but i think he understands a good QB is critical to competing for championships, so I imagine he's thinking about how to get his next QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2020, 10:29:47 AM
6-8 vs number last week  (-$280)

49-55 overall
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2020, 11:11:30 AM
NFL Line Week 7, 10/22 - 26, 2020

Date & Time Favorite        Line Underdog Total

10/22 8:20 ET Philadelphia -4 Giants 43.5

10/25 1:00 ET Steelers         -1.5 Tennessee 52
10/25 1:00 ET Browns -3.5 Cincinnati 50.5
10/25 1:00 ET Cowboys -1.5 Washington 47.5
10/25 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Lions 57
10/25 1:00 ET New Orleans -7.5 Panthers         51.5
10/25 1:00 ET Bills         -13 NY Jets 46
10/25 1:00 ET Packers -3.5 Houston 56.5

10/25 4:05 ET Seahawks -3.5 Arizona 56.5
10/25 4:25 ET New England -2.5 49ers 45.5
10/25 4:25 ET Chiefs -9 Denver 48
10/25 4:25 ET LA Chargers -8 Jaguars 49.5
10/25 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3 Las Vegas 53.5

10/26 8:15 ET LA Rams -5.5 Bears 46

kid

I think you accidently reposted last week's schedule and lines.

or maybe you want a 2nd bite of the apple.

good luck this week
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2020, 11:37:38 AM
NFL Line Week 8, 10/29 - 11/2, 2020

Date & Time Favorite      Line Underdog Total

10/29 8:20 ET Carolina         -3 Falcons 49

11/01 1:00 ET Colts -3 Detroit 50
11/01 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 Vikings 54.5
11/01 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Patriots         44
11/01 1:00 ET Titans -6 Cincinnati 54.5
11/01 1:00 ET Cleveland -2.5 Raiders 54
11/01 1:00 ET Kansas City -19.5 Jets 48
11/01 1:00 ET Rams -4 Miami 46.5
11/01 1:00 ET Baltimore         -3.5 Steelers        48.5

11/01 4:05 ET Chargers         -3 Denver 45
11/01 4:25 ET Saints -2.5 Chicago 47
11/01 4:25 ET Seattle -3 49ers 54
11/01 8:20 ET Philadelphia -7.5 Cowboys 43.5

11/02 8:15 ET Buccaneers -10.5 NY Giants 47
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2020, 11:40:57 AM
Carolina 31  Falcons 24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 29, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
NFL Line Week 7, 10/22 - 26, 2020

Date & Time Favorite        Line Underdog Total

10/22 8:20 ET Philadelphia -4 Giants 43.5

10/25 1:00 ET Steelers         -1.5 Tennessee 52
10/25 1:00 ET Browns -3.5 Cincinnati 50.5
10/25 1:00 ET Cowboys -1.5 Washington 47.5
10/25 1:00 ET Atlanta -2.5 Lions 57
10/25 1:00 ET New Orleans -7.5 Panthers         51.5
10/25 1:00 ET Bills         -13 NY Jets 46
10/25 1:00 ET Packers -3.5 Houston 56.5

10/25 4:05 ET Seahawks -3.5 Arizona 56.5
10/25 4:25 ET New England -2.5 49ers 45.5
10/25 4:25 ET Chiefs -9 Denver 48
10/25 4:25 ET LA Chargers -8 Jaguars 49.5
10/25 8:20 ET Buccaneers -3 Las Vegas 53.5

10/26 8:15 ET LA Rams -5.5 Bears 46

kid

I think you accidently reposted last week's schedule and lines.
Coincidentally that is how the Mel Harder Institute got its reputation for accuracy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Is Bellechick so stubborn that he won't usher in the Damien Harris era?  Pretty evident that should be the next move.

says the guy who thought Cam Newton was going to turn Edelman into a star!



OPPORTUNITY was on the side of Edelman, as he showed early.  But you were right about his not being healthy enough after so many battles

But time wasn't on his side,  he's old and hurt.

Edelman is a football player. He busts his ass BUT he played hurt and slow last year-it was obvious he was cooked.

He should have begged TB12 to take him to Tampa to retire gracefully.

Jules undergoes knee procedure (sounds like a scoped meniscus) expected to miss a few weeks and is not "season-ending".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2020, 08:09:49 PM
How is it the Giants players who were close contacts of Wil Hernandez (COVID positive) may be able to play this week as long as they get clean tests - while kids are being kept out of school for 14 days for having been in contact with someone COVID-positive regardless of their test result?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 29, 2020, 09:00:26 PM
How is it the Giants players who were close contacts of Wil Hernanez (COVID positive) may be able to play this week as long as they get clean tests - while kids are being kept out of school for 14 days for having been in contact with someone COVID-positive regardless of their test result?

The NFL has a profit motive and the schools do not.

The Giants players should not be playing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 06:55:13 AM
NFL Line Week 8, 10/29 - 11/2, 2020

Date & Time Favorite      Line Underdog Total

10/29 8:20 ET Carolina         -3 Falcons 49      31-24      L

11/01 1:00 ET Colts -3 Detroit 50              31-27             
11/01 1:00 ET Green Bay -6.5 Vikings 54.5            31-20
11/01 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Patriots         44          24-17
11/01 1:00 ET Titans -6 Cincinnati 54.5          31-24
11/01 1:00 ET Cleveland -2.5 Raiders 54        27-30
11/01 1:00 ET Kansas City -19.5 Jets 48        34-10
11/01 1:00 ET Rams -4 Miami 46.5                    24-17         
11/01 1:00 ET Baltimore   -3.5 Steelers 48.5      21-24

11/01 4:05 ET Chargers         -3 Denver 45                21-24
11/01 4:25 ET Saints -2.5 Chicago 47                27-24
11/01 4:25 ET Seattle -3 49ers 54           28-24         
11/01 8:20 ET Philadelphia -7.5 Cowboys 43.5          23-17

11/02 8:15 ET Buccaneers -10.5 NY Giants 47      31-17       


Parlay -   Packers, Steelers, Bucs  (+600)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 01, 2020, 07:07:19 AM

Detroit
Green Bay
Patriots         
Titans
Cleveland
Kansas City
Miami
Steelers
Chargers         
Saints
Seattle
Philadelphia
Buccaneers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on November 01, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
Anyone doing the FOX free contest?

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/predict-six-winners-win-1m-with-fox-super-6
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2020, 02:24:01 PM
Anyone doing the FOX free contest?

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/predict-six-winners-win-1m-with-fox-super-6

I try to stay as Fox free as much as possible.

that shit rots your brain.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 02:31:00 PM
Hail, Tua!

Miami has 56 total yards - and leads 28-7.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 01, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2020, 02:54:46 PM
Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.

I thought it was poor air quality due to the smoldering Cuyahoga
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 01, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
Nothing like the Sunday Ticket to make me remember why I left Cleveland.

I thought it was poor air quality due to the smoldering Cuyahoga
Really funny! Got any Nixon jokes?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
Packers and my fantasy team getting COOKED.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 03:22:09 PM
Belly getting thoroughly outcoached.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
Wow - Packers got fucked.

Like Michigan yesterday
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 01, 2020, 03:48:12 PM
Wow - Packers got fucked.

Like Michigan yesterday
Beaten by a team playing better and being coached better?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 01, 2020, 04:17:45 PM
Patrots beat the spread and hit the over, while Cam played just well enough to lose.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
Patrots beat the spread and hit the over, while Cam played just well enough to lose.

I thought they were going to pull it out.

my 8 win outlook is looking a little strong
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Tough week

Got 2 of the upsets

5-3, 4-4 early games

Steelers may run the table
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2020, 04:41:21 PM
Tough week

Got 2 of the upsets

5-3, 4-4 early games

Steelers may run the table

4-4 early games
and
1 loss Thursday

would add to 4-5 ATS

Right?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 02, 2020, 10:52:17 AM
Got 2 of the upsets


Broncs make 3.  7 upsets.  Wow.

Bodes well for G-men?

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
close but no cigar

entertaining game though


Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 03, 2020, 01:14:58 AM
close but no cigar

entertaining game though


Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times

Can't imagine why he might have done so.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2020, 08:03:20 AM
close but no cigar

entertaining game though


Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times

Can't imagine why he might have done so.

Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 03, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
close but no cigar

entertaining game though


Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times

Can't imagine why he might have done so.

Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!

It was anything but quick.

And it was the right call, based on the ball's hitting the defender.

But it's you, so complaining that the refs screwed up combined with the oh-so-original-of-you tying that to the BOSTON team is boringly predictable.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2020, 09:22:36 AM
close but no cigar

entertaining game though


Steve Levy must have referred to TB as the Pats 4-5 times

Can't imagine why he might have done so.

Maybe it was the way the refs gave the game away? PI on the 2pointer? Quick! Pick up the flag!

It was anything but quick.

And it was the right call, based on the ball's hitting the defender.

But it's you, so complaining that the refs screwed up combined with the oh-so-original-of-you tying that to the BOSTON team is boringly predictable.

Bad call. Pointing out reality, while you live in denial.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2020, 10:00:38 AM
Curious of the process

Was it

"let me throw the flag then ask what everyone else thinks?"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2020, 10:26:44 AM
it was an iffy-close call.

But IMO the right one.

the problem was Danny threw to the wrong back-shoulder-the defender's.

I think he might have gotten the call if he led Dion Lewis.
Title: Based on immediate returns
Post by: Kam on November 03, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Giants should have drafted Winfield Jr instead of Xavier McKinney. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 03, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
After seeing the instant replay it appears the flag shouldn't have been thrown.  But once it was I expected it to go to the replay booth and not an on-field huddle.  I think a Tom Brady team would've gotten that courtesy and then after review they might decide not to overturn the call because hey its Tom Brady.

But i'm biased.  In the end they made the right call.  DJ has to get that ball out quicker.  He is getting killed in Giants world today by fans who used to have his back.  Not just for the late throw but for the continued interceptions instead of throwing the ball away.  He isn't learning from mistakes.

Giants fans have started to throw in the towel on DJ.  I haven't but most are ready to take Fields or obviously Lawrence.  DJ now needs to play well enough (WIN) to make those selections impossible.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 03, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
They don't do video replays of possible penalties.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 03, 2020, 02:12:31 PM
They don't do video replays of possible penalties.

Even if a flag is thrown?  Wow.     
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2020, 03:24:19 PM
The review rules specify a number of situations that are not reviewable. These include:

All judgment calls, such as pass interference, holding and roughing the passer
A play where a runner is ruled down by defensive contact, not involving a fumble
The recovery of a loose ball in the field of play
Inadvertent whistles and down calls



https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/nfl-review-rules1.htm
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
COVID hits the Packers 2 days before big tilt at San Fran.

May be starting RB4.

Meanwhile NFL is toying with the idea of a 16 team playoff if COVID shortens season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2020, 10:33:56 AM
NSPL
 
·
NFL Line Week 9, 11/5-9, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

11/5 8:20 ET Packers -5.5 San Francisco 50.5

11/8 1:00 ET Seahawks -2.5 Buffalo 54
11/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Broncos 50
11/8 1:00 ET Tennessee -5.5 Bears 46.5
11/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Lions 53.5
11/8 1:00 ET Ravens -2.5 Indianapolis 45.5
11/8 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Panthers 52.5
11/8 1:00 ET Texans -6.5 Jacksonville 51.5
11/8 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 41

11/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -1 Raiders 53
11/8 4:25 ET Steelers        -13.5 Dallas 41
11/8 4:25 ET Arizona -4.5 Dolphins         48
11/8 8:20 ET Tampa Bay -5.5 Saints 51.5

11/9 8:15 ET New England -7.5 Jets         41

Bye Week: Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Philadelphia Eagles, Los Angeles Rams
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
7-7 last week.  10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets

Loss for week:  $170
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2020, 12:55:03 PM
7-7 last week.  10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets

Loss for week:  $170


 I haven't lost a bet on the NFL all season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2020, 01:10:25 PM
Me neither
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
Green Bay 27  San Francisco 24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 04, 2020, 04:02:46 PM
7-7 last week.  10-4 on winners, including 3 upsets

Loss for week:  $170


 I haven't lost a bet on the NFL all season.
I have never lost a bet on the NFL.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
the allure of the line

the seductive siren song of easy money is hard to ignore

but she has dashed hopes and dreams and emptied the wallets of the most intrepid souls on the jagged coastline of a moneyline thats to good to be true



or so I've heard
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2020, 11:09:59 AM

NFL Line Week 9, 11/5-9, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

11/5 8:20 ET Packers -5.5 San Francisco 50.5           27-24        L

11/8 1:00 ET Seahawks -2.5 Buffalo 54              30-27
11/8 1:00 ET Atlanta -4 Broncos 50           24-27
11/8 1:00 ET Tennessee -5.5 Bears 46.5        24-17
11/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Lions 53.5         31-24
11/8 1:00 ET Ravens -2.5 Indianapolis 45.5         20-23
11/8 1:00 ET Kansas City -10.5 Panthers 52.5        34-20
11/8 1:00 ET Texans -6.5 Jacksonville 51.5           27-19
11/8 1:00 ET Washington -3 Giants 41             20-23

11/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -1 Raiders 53              24-27
11/8 4:25 ET Steelers        -13.5 Dallas 41          34-14
11/8 4:25 ET Arizona -4.5 Dolphins         48        27-20
11/8 8:20 ET Tampa Bay -5.5 Saints 51.5            29-26

11/9 8:15 ET New England -7.5 Jets         41       28-17



Parlay -   Kansas City, Pittsburgh, New England

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2020, 09:39:29 PM
That Saints-Bucs game sure looks tight!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
Looks like ONE NFC South future HOFQB demonstrated his WORTH, last night.

Pats and Giants with same number of wins, so far this season. Of course, the Jints have played more games, but still...

Cowboys whining about refs in Dallas, as was Skip "Please, I'm still relevant!" Bayless in his tweet: "THE STEELERS DON'T DESERVE TO WIN THIS GAME. JUST MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT."  Puke your guts, out Skippy.

And how about this move by AB? https://twitter.com/RandyScottESPN/status/1325641905661640704 (https://twitter.com/RandyScottESPN/status/1325641905661640704) Classy guy.

Did Kyle Allen's ankle show up, yet?

Did TB!2 wake up yet, from his "nightmare game"?  Hey, not my term, but what they're calling it in Boston. Schadenfreude?

"Offensively, Brady engineered four consecutive three-and-outs to start the game. That streak only ended when … a Brady pass was tipped at the line (by two different players) and intercepted by a defensive tackle."

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/08/tom-brady-nightmare-first-half-national-tv-drew-brees-saints-buccaneers/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/08/tom-brady-nightmare-first-half-national-tv-drew-brees-saints-buccaneers/)

Grady Little Syndrome breaks out like the Covid did in Seattle: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/11/8/21555588/fire-ken-norton-jr-seattle-seahawks (https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/11/8/21555588/fire-ken-norton-jr-seattle-seahawks)

Anyone see how the Lions tried to stop Dalvin Cook on a 70-yard run with only 10 men on the field. Confident bunch, aren't they?

Heh

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.

Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.

That will make it all better, right?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2020, 12:24:41 PM
There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.

Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.

That will make it all better, right?!

The NFL needs to contract.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 12:44:07 PM
There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.

Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.

That will make it all better, right?!


Howard and Dandy Don weep

I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10

I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)

I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 12:48:31 PM
Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 12:50:01 PM
Pats draft look

https://sports.yahoo.com/2021-nfl-mock-draft-roundup-180232282.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.

1-4 regular season

2-2 post-season.

total 3-6



good chance these teams will not meet in the post-season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 01:20:47 PM
Flacco fares pretty well vs Pats, if I recall.

1-4 regular season

2-2 post-season.

total 3-6



good chance these teams will not meet in the post-season.

I have long thought that the two worst NFL teams in a given year should meet post-season. I figured they could call it the Toilet Bowl and play each year in Flushing Meadows.

Or that the worst NFL team could play the winner of the NCAA championship.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 01:30:09 PM
Flacco underappreciated overall

Needs 2 wins for 100 regular season, career

10-5 in playoffs

As for games with Pats, his stats are higher on average in those games than overall (66% comp rate in his 1-4 reg season log, for instance vs 61.5 career)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
Name the 17 modern day QBs with 100 wins in regular season

Hints if u need them
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
Name the 17 modern day QBs with 100 wins in regular season

Hints if u need them

Brady
Manning
Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Luck
Rivers
Marino
Bledsoe
Montana
Young
Simms
Staubach
Bradshaw
Elway
Wilson
Favre

Off the top of my head. No idea if I have some I should not or have left off some I should not have. I imagine I have.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 02:09:50 PM
I listed four who were in the 90s and one in the 80s. I left off one I should have remembered, one I might have eventually come up with, and a few that I would not have included in the "modern era," suggesting that I just don't know what that term means.

And one just way off that I should not have had at all. Bad luck on my part.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 02:16:28 PM
Bledsoe tied with Flacco at 98
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
You missed at least 5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.

Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.

That will make it all better, right?!


Howard and Dandy Don weep

I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10

I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)

I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)

I see 3 offensive TDs for Pats

No Newton turnovers

Take the over on Pats' number
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 02:28:44 PM
9-4, 5-8, -$480
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2020, 02:54:30 PM
Randall Cunningham on that list?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
eyeballing Josh's QB list

not sure what "modern day" means but

I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr

and not sure of Russell Wilson
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
There was a lot of bad football played yesterday.

Fortunately, we have the Pats and Jets tonight.

That will make it all better, right?!


Howard and Dandy Don weep

I see the line os the game is Pats -9.5 or -10

I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)

I generally like overs, but if I were to wager I'd give a hard look at the Jets and the under (42)

I see 3 offensive TDs for Pat's

No Newton turnovers

Take the over on Pat's number

I see a low-scoring field position game with a lot of rushing, a lot of punting, and a game that gets over quick.

something like 17-13 Pats,

I'd take the 10
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
eyeballing Josh's QB list

not sure what "modern day" means but

I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr

and not sure of Russell Wilson

Unitas and Tarkenton - yep

124 and 118
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 06:21:35 PM
Interesting that Ham picked Cunningham and not McNabb
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 06:46:59 PM
You missed at least 5

Yes, that is what I said.

I missed 6.

Try reading.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 08:09:21 PM
Looking for two names that are active and one from the 80s/90s
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 08:10:06 PM
You missed at least 5

Yes, that is what I said.

I missed 6.

Try reading.

heh

You looked?

What a dick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
eyeballing Josh's QB list

not sure what "modern day" means but

I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr

and not sure of Russell Wilson

I'm not sure about Luck either-hurt too much, short career

or Young sat behind Montana too long

or maybe Staubach too much Navy and not enough Dallas.

kid- Can you confirm the hits and misses
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 08:34:45 PM
I'm not sure the Pats can score much more than 15 (that's 5 FG-I'm not sure they can score TD anymore)


heh

like buttah
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
Pardon my hyperbole, but the Pats offense sucks, as I told you it probably would before the season started.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 08:47:08 PM
"the fastest first quarter in memory"

Quote
I see a low-scoring field position game with a lot of rushing, a lot of punting, and a game that gets over quick.
[/b]

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
You missed at least 5

Yes, that is what I said.

I missed 6.

Try reading.

heh

You looked?

What a dick.

Looking up what my mistakes were after I posted makes me a dick on your planet?

Glad I don't live there.

And... you should learn to read.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 09:14:32 PM
4th and 1, handoff to James White

Too funny.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 09:34:08 PM

Mr Flacco does luvvvvvv the Patriots
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
eyeballing Josh's QB list

not sure what "modern day" means but

I'd add old-school QBs Johnny U and maybe Fran Tarkenton and Bart Starr

and not sure of Russell Wilson

I'm not sure about Luck either-hurt too much, short career

or Young sat behind Montana too long

or maybe Staubach too much Navy and not enough Dallas.

kid- Can you confirm the hits and misses

Yeah. those are all wrong

Starr is wrong
Simms is wrong
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 09:46:51 PM
Looking for 4 more names, I think

2 oldies (80s)
2 active
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2020, 09:49:42 PM
So Bank states NE offense will be horrible

They score 21, 30 and 36 first three games

QB gets COVID, foggy even when he returns, but looks better last week - and should have beat a good Bills team (scored 21, could easily have been 28, down his best receiver)

Keep the chuckles coming, Bank.  That's your role here
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 10:03:41 PM
So Bank states NE offense will be horrible

They score 21, 30 and 36 first three games

QB gets COVID, foggy even when he returns, but looks better last week - and should have beat a good Bills team (scored 21, could easily have been 28, down his best receiver)

Keep the chuckles coming, Bank.  That's your role here

kid I told you in the pre-season the Pats were real light on offensive weapons and had a new QB unfamiliar with their system So offense was my biggest concern.

You told me Cam was going to make a star out of Jules.

I told you then you had no idea what you were talking about as Jules was cooked.

And he was.

I told earlier today the Pats would be challenged tonight against a very bad Jet team.

I'm perfectly comfortable with my takes on the Pats
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 11:11:04 PM
ITS GOOD!

Good bye Trevor!

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2020, 11:18:06 PM
Pretty funny.

So... was that a good game for MNF or a bad one?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2020, 11:26:33 PM
Pretty funny.

So... was that a good game for MNF or a bad one?!

bad football that turned into an entertaining game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 12:30:42 AM
Particularly liked the 5 Patriots field goals.  Man - I didnt realize their pass rush was so poor.

Fun team moving forward.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
heh

kid loves changing the subject and evading reality.

and avoiding taking responsibility for his own poor prognostications.

Pats were lucky to beat arguably the worst team in the NFL last night.

but the JETS remain the J-E-T-S

you had a another tough week kid

5-9

61-71

closing in on down $2K for the year.

you're due kid.

better luck next week
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 11:38:39 AM
Thanks

Can you keep the tally for the rest of the year?

For the record, we split last night, as I had the over, you the under.

Congratulations for matching 46% handicapper.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
Thanks

Can you keep the tally for the rest of the year?

For the record, we split last night, as I had the over, you the under.

Congratulations for matching 46% handicapper.

For the record I did not bet the game or hold myself as betting the game.

I liked the Jets +10 and the under with the Pats winning by 4.

For the record I've only picked about 8 games this year.

But I think I'm 5-3 ATS and ou

I'd check but since I'm not betting like you I don't really care.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 11:48:39 AM
And as I understand once you run out of fingers and toes counting becomes a challenge for you.

So I'll be glad to lend a hand.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
Having a pretty good money line run the last few weeks.  Maybe Bank will total that up for us as well.

But this board should contain more actual pro football talk - who do you all like in the AFC and NFC for Super Bowl?

Packers-Chiefs or Packers-Steelers would be grand
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 12:15:11 PM
heh

kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.

SSDD

as to AFC-NFC

I think its kind of wide open

nobody looks consistently overpowering

key may be not getting covid
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
I liked the Jets +10 and the under with the Pats winning by 4.


yep

lost just 10 bucks from your 220.

Not too bad

And you also hit the money line - so if picking as we do in my contest you'd have made money.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 10, 2020, 12:50:27 PM
But this board should contain more actual pro football talk

What a clown you are.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 01:03:46 PM
kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.


Same picks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
kid always is killing it elsewhere as he's getting killed here.


Same picks

so your loss is closer to $4k.

as long as you're having fun.

heh
Title: Keys to winning the NFC EAST
Post by: Kam on November 10, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
PHI   3-4-1
WFT  2-6-0
DAL  2-7-0
NYG  2-7-0

As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
so your loss is closer to $4k.


Well...

Its a contest - but if you wish to assign a value so you feel better about yourself, have at it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 01:37:51 PM
so your loss is closer to $4k.


Well...

Its a contest - but if you wish to assign a value so you feel better about yourself, have at it.

Kid you're the one posting your weekly picks and results and you assigned $ values to them.
 
I just totaled them for you

I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)

and you just said you have the same results elsewhere.

so I doubled it.

Good luck in the contest kid-I'm sure you'll get hot any day now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 01:51:32 PM

I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)


Thanks

But I didnt pick 9 parlays
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 01:53:43 PM
Good luck in the contest kid-I'm sure you'll get hot any day now.


Maybe

Tis often how it works

I will post the final contest tally - kept by others - when they update (note:  I have to add week 1's figures since I missed that week at the other place)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 02:07:38 PM
Just checked and I had a rare excellent O/U week - at 10-4

Thus the composite for the contest was not so bad

10-4
5-9
10-4

25-17

.595 composite
Title: Re: Keys to winning the NFC EAST
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
PHI   3-4-1
WFT  2-6-0
DAL  2-7-0
NYG  2-7-0

As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.

It will be up to the Eagles.

I think they will win this division, but if they stumble, 6/7 wins could get it for someone else.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 02:18:16 PM
Just checked and I had a rare excellent O/U week - at 10-4

Thus the composite for the contest was not so bad

10-4
5-9
10-4

25-17

.595 composite

keep on moving the goalpost kid

kid's a real republican

he'll keep on cheating until the final dog whistle.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 02:21:32 PM

I had them at -$1910 here. (including your 1-8 trifecta record)


Thanks

But I didnt pick 9 parlays

I may have added a week (1 week) of parlays incorrectly

so lets knock off $100 (lets call it a Trump going out of business courtesy)

and call your loss to date $1810.

but anytime you want to give a full accounting-feel free

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
keep on moving the goalpost kid



Been the same for ten years

8 divisions of 4, representing the 32 NFL teams.  Composite records listed.

Right now I am working my way up from 4th in my division and bottom 25% overall.

Like I said - tough year.  Need a few more near .600 weeks.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
I might also mention I had two exactas this week (Giants game, Titans game) - that is picking the exact final score

Would have had three in one week, which is unheard of, had the Jax rookie QB failed to lead Jags to a score in last minute.

Record is SIX for one season.  I now have three.
Title: Re: Keys to winning the NFC EAST
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
PHI   3-4-1
WFT  2-6-0
DAL  2-7-0
NYG  2-7-0

As long as the Giants play Washington the rest of the way we got a chance.

Time out. You really think the Cowgirls and the Birds are that much better a team than the Giants? This division is wide open.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 11, 2020, 09:06:18 AM
I have the Eagles at 1.

Some yahoo last week said WASH might be the best of the bunch.  Didnt give much on that other than the others werent all that good,

Affects the draft in a bad way - but give me every Giants win I can get - and yeah, maybe some drama for the division down the line.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 11, 2020, 09:08:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/10/ben-roethlisberger-coronavirus-pittsburgh-steelers (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/10/ben-roethlisberger-coronavirus-pittsburgh-steelers)

A day after NFL’s last unbeaten team placed tight end Vance McDonald on the Covid-19 list following a positive test, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and three other teammates – inside linebacker Vince Williams, running back Jaylen Samuels and offensive lineman Jerald Hawkins – joined it, making their availability for Sunday’s game against Cincinnati (2-5-1) uncertain.

The reserve/Covid-19 list is either for players who have tested positive or have been in close contact with someone who has. All players who have been in close contact must quarantine for five days and are unable to visit the team’s practice facility, but can participate virtually. They must pass Covid-19 tests throughout the week to have an opportunity to play.

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday it’s possible Roethlisberger and Williams could rejoin the team for its walkthrough practice on Saturday. He pointed to Roethlisberger’s experience as a 17-year veteran as one of the reasons he would have no issue playing Roethlisberger if he’s cleared.


 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
Week 10

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

11/12 8:20 ET Tennessee -2 Colts 48.5

11/15 1:00 ET Detroit -3.5 Washington Football Team 46.5
11/15 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Texans 54
11/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -13.5 Jacksonville 52
11/15 1:00 ET Eagles -3 New York Giants 44.5
11/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -4.5 Carolina 50.5

11/15 4:05 ET Las Vegas -5 Broncos 52
11/15 4:05 ET Arizona -2 Bills 56
11/15 4:05 ET Miami -2.5 Chargers 47.5
11/15 4:25 ET Pittsburgh -8 Bengals 47.5
11/15 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -2 Seahawks 55.5
11/15 4:25 ET New Orleans -9 49ers 50.5
11/15 8:20 ET Ravens -7 New England 43.5

11/16 8:15 ET Vikings -3 Chicago   44.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2020, 10:48:12 AM
Tennessee 24  Colts 21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 12, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Tennessee 24  Colts 21

Thoughts on AZ and BUF?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2020, 05:17:48 PM
I like both teams

Bills have made me look silly at times.  I think their 7-2 is legit

Best bet is the over.  Likely I go Bills.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2020, 11:01:17 PM
lol

Nice special teams, Titans
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 05:11:23 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30310498/green-bay-packers-notre-dame-great-paul-hornung-dies-84 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30310498/green-bay-packers-notre-dame-great-paul-hornung-dies-84)

2020 claims another

this fucking year

Paul Hornung, the "Golden Boy" who starred for Notre Dame in the 1950s and the Green Bay Packers in the 1960s, has died at age 84, the Louisville Sports Commission announced Friday.

The golden boy turned gambling boy

He was one of the NFL stars that brought the NFL into America's living rooms in the 60s.

RIP Mr Hornung
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 15, 2020, 09:30:53 AM

11/12 8:20 ET Tennessee -2 Colts 48.5.  24-21.   L

11/15 1:00 ET Detroit -3.5 Washington Football Team 46.5
 24-21. 
11/15 1:00 ET Cleveland -3 Texans 54. 28-24
11/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -13.5 Jacksonville 52.  37-17
11/15 1:00 ET Eagles -3 New York Giants 44.5   24-17
11/15 1:00 ET Buccaneers -4.5 Carolina 50.5.  31-24

11/15 4:05 ET Las Vegas -5 Broncos 52.  30-27
11/15 4:05 ET Arizona -2 Bills 56.   28-31
11/15 4:05 ET Miami -2.5 Chargers 47.5.  24-20
11/15 4:25 ET Pittsburgh -8 Bengals 47.5.   27-24
11/15 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -2 Seahawks 55.5.  33-30
11/15 4:25 ET New Orleans -9 49ers 50.5.  34-17
11/15 8:20 ET Ravens -7 New England 43.5.  24-21

11/16 8:15 ET Vikings -3 Chicago   44.5.   24-17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Murray's a fucking freak.


Nice win by the G-men

Iggles looked broken
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
Bills burned

ouch!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 15, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Daniel Jones and the Giants look pretty good when they aren't coughing the ball up and dropping passes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 15, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Bills burned

ouch!

What happened?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2020, 10:12:40 PM
Bills burned

ouch!

What happened?

A Hail Murray TD pass off a scramble to win it with 10 seconds left.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:12 PM
It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but

AWINZAWIN
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 15, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but

AWINZAWIN

Are the Pats rising or have they just been lucky?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2020, 12:19:32 AM
It was ugly and took rains of biblical proportions but

AWINZAWIN

Are the Pats rising or have they just been lucky?!

The ground and pound running game and strong D was the hoped for blend, in a post-Brady world. They got it tonight along with a monsoon and a trick TD pass, which  helped. But they played better and no turnovers in terrible conditions.

I remain skeptical that in today's NFL a team can win consistenly with about 125 passing yards.

Teams will stack the box. Not sure why Ravens didn't do a better job against the run.

I think the Pats handled the wet weather a lot better than the Ravens, particularly the Ravens center who probably cost the Ravens 30 yards with bad snaps and maybe the game.

AWINZAWIN

Harbaugh will have those recurring dreams of Jules to Amendola in his sleep tonight,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 16, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
Quote
Brees suffered three fractured ribs on the right side of his chest last week against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He then suffered two more Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers.

None of the injuries were known until he underwent X-rays on Monday.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2020, 04:15:38 PM
Quote
Brees suffered three fractured ribs on the right side of his chest last week against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He then suffered two more Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers.

None of the injuries were known until he underwent X-rays on Monday.


One of the worst chapters in my life involved a cracked rib and a collapsed lung (Brees also has the collapsed lung) I incurred in a skiing accident.

Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.

The nurse in the small Vt hospital told me, "roll over on your side, grab the gurney rail, his might hurt a little".

then the fucking witch stabbed me in the chest.

Good luck Mr. Brees.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2020, 04:35:44 PM
Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.

Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)

Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)


How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)

I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)

That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.

HEH
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2020, 05:28:45 PM
Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.

Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)

Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)


How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)

I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)

That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.

HEH

Those games were nothing on the pain level of that chest tube.

Nobody likes losing a game. They build character.

You should try a chest tube it'll broaden your perspective and open your eyes to a whole new level of pain.

As Nurse Ratched told me, "this might hurt a little"

fucking bitch gave me 1 shot of novocaine

and i heard her cackle. 

This happened about 30 years ago, i still feel the pain.

it was unbeleivable,

And LSS, I had to go through it again. about 3 weeks later.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
Inflating a collapsed lung with a chest tube was the worst pain I ever endured.

Worse than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U)

Or this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgrijfopDc)


How about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWI)

I'm guessing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwh0ruPl80)

That rib hurt for a small time, but these pains last forever.

HEH

Those games were nothing on the pain level of that chest tube.

Nobody likes losing a game. They build character.

You should try a chest tube it'll broaden your perspective and open your eyes to a whole new level of pain.

As Nurse Ratched told me, "this might hurt a little"

fucking bitch gave me 1 shot of novocaine

and i heard her cackle. 

This happened about 30 years ago, i still feel the pain.

it was unbeleivable,

And LSS, I had to go through it again. about 3 weeks later.

Sorry you had to thru that.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 18, 2020, 05:05:16 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/0240zl6zm0061.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f7136f27a2a1eda4179a6dc117a7582b788cad43)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2020, 10:20:06 PM
Week 11


Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total


11/19 8:20 ET Seattle -3 Cardinals 58

11/22 1:00 ET Cleveland -3.5 Eagles 48
11/22 1:00 ET New Orleans -5 Falcons 51
11/22 1:00 ET Carolina -3 Lions 49
11/22 1:00 ET Patriots -2 Houston 48
11/22 1:00 ET Steelers -10 Jacksonville 47.5
11/22 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Bengals 46.5
11/22 1:00 ET Baltimore -6.5 Titans 49

11/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -9 Jets 47
11/22 4:05 ET Dolphins -5.5 Denver 45
11/22 4:25 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Packers 51.5
11/22 4:25 ET Minnesota -7.5 Cowboys 48
11/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -6.5 Las Vegas 57

11/23 8:15 ET Tampa Bay -3.5 Rams 47.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 19, 2020, 06:58:11 PM
Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 19, 2020, 11:39:31 PM
Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28

Cardinals 21 Seahawks 28.

You only missed it by one!

And you missed the over/under.

But you were very close. Maybe Rudy will file an appeal for you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 10:46:03 AM
Keepin that hot Thursday night ride going - heh

Really not that far off from perfect (tying AZ TD then a game winning OT FG) - and yet a bad start to the week

These teams may play again in playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 11:23:08 AM
that holding call-safety was the turning point for the spread.

Flipped the dynamic of the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 12:15:37 PM
Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28

Cardinals 21 Seahawks 28.

You only missed it by one!

And you missed the over/under.

But you were very close. Maybe Rudy will file an appeal for you.

"And Cee-Jayyy - I particularly liked the part where you said NOTHING AT ALL"

-  Joshua Lyman

(by the way - what I did get in the contest is called a HIT - that is getting one team's side of the score correct).
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
kid

smell the coffee or roses

1)you lost the ATS

2) you lost the over-under

3) you missed the straight winner

that's 0-for-everything that you like to count, particulalry after you've lose the ATS bet. 

and that's another -110 in the category you studiously avoid mentioning


maybe you should invite the Michigan repubs over for lunch and you can press your case why you should be 3-0 instead of 0-3.

And there's always Rudy, though at $20K a day he may be a little pricey to represent you given your modest wagers.

best of luck kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
I have never disputed my record re:  what I post here

0-3 for the week, indeed

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 01:11:45 PM
best of luck kid.


Uh...thanks

Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.

Do you comment on your neighbour's birdwatching hobby as well?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
best of luck kid.


Uh...thanks

Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.

Do you comment on your neighbour's birdwatching hobby as well?

If my neighbor posted a picture of a pigeon and called it a bald-eagle I might make a comment or two.

kid-what I've told you for years is you there is a very high probablity you will be no more prescient at calling a full slate of games ATS than you would be a predicting heads or tails on 256 fairly flipped coin.

and you prove it every year.

Except you insist on paying a 10% vig on a lesson I've comped you on.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2020, 01:57:22 PM


Though the importance of the outcome of my numbers is consequential to NOT MUCH.


Then please stop posting them.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.

(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 02:00:15 PM
Then please stop posting them.  Thanks.




I could, Kam-a-lot - but then the masses would toss their egg salad at me if I dared mention a  positive week,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 02:04:35 PM
I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.

(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)

Kid-I understand you likely are just bulshitting us about your betting, but its you who have stated your bets, talked of your online betting accounts, your prowess at poker and other gambling pursuits, and bragged of your wagering wins when you have picked winners.

i get it you win huge bets when you win, but you wager nothing on losses.

I've no idea what the truth is, as you are a liar, but you lost all credibility years ago.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 20, 2020, 02:10:28 PM
Then please stop posting them.  Thanks.




I could, Kam-a-lot - but then the masses would toss their egg salad at me if I dared mention a  positive week,

Hey, a radical thought...

You could skip those, too!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 02:40:31 PM
I actually dont pay anything, Bank - but carry on.

(yeah, I could see you stalking your neighbour's bird page - heh)

Kid-I understand you likely are just bulshitting us about your betting, but its you who have stated your bets, talked of your online betting accounts, your prowess at poker and other gambling pursuits, and bragged of your wagering wins when you have picked winners.

i get it you win huge bets when you win, but you wager nothing on losses.

I've no idea what the truth is, as you are a liar, but you lost all credibility years ago.

I do understand as well  hat in your life you may be around all types of lying fucks.

I cannot help this - nor force you to believe anything I say.

As for actual cash - I am still in the black off my Liverpool +1200 bet on Champions League soccer from a year and change back.  That was a good one, akin to Giants bet years ago in Vegas, which I recall was also double digit odds.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 02:55:59 PM
as I said kid only bets when he "wins"

through week 10 of the 2020 NFL season

kid is 69-75 (almost 48%)

at 100 -110 betting

kid is down $1350

he's also lost (IIRC) $200 in his trifecta picks

so that's -$1550.
 
through week 10

then there was the thousands he lost wagering the MLB moneyline in a about a month of wagering

but as he was getting killed he quietly stopped posting about his MLB picks

but good thing he nailed Liverpool

thanks for proving my point kid


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 03:05:13 PM
No prob

The real money is the smart money

+1700 was the Giants bet - that's right.  Pays to not just bet single games vs spread.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 20, 2020, 03:29:30 PM
Cardinals 31 Seahawks 28


Red lost to Blue, again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 03:36:53 PM
May 7, 2019    MLB forum


Thanks

Long season

You may recall I was about a +40 in games won in NBA when I stopped that exercise
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 04:08:18 PM
kid think's he's smart money

TFF

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 20, 2020, 05:21:42 PM
kid think's he's smart money

TFF


A look inside kid's wallet reveals...


 (https://rlv.zcache.com/trump_phony_as_a_three_dollar_bill_sign-ra316ea8955154fbaa58fc04b3440ffe9_fomuw_704.jpg?rlvnet=1)
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 07:19:45 PM
kid think's he's smart money

TFF

Finished 139-114 vs the spread here a year back.

I have always done fairly well.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
kid think's he's smart money

TFF

Finished 139-114 vs the spread here a year back.

I have always done fairly well.

No kid you have not always done fairly well.

Thats a lie.

Kid-In almost 25 years of playing in various pick 'em contests with you, you have almost always fared poorly. Random luck would suggest you'd win a few times n a small community, but you were unusually consistently unsuccessful. Baseball, football, or basketball, pros or college it didn't matter. You lost.

Your stupidity defeats random probability and the law of averages.

You are the epitome of the law of below average.

HEH.

That you cite with no documentation, a claimed winning % about 55% ATS one year, as a high water mark, when the average person would randomly get 50% correct ATS, and you need to win almost 53% to win money, speaks volume how fucking clueless you are.

You are the antithesis of smart money.

You are dumb money.

You are the rube at the table.

That you don't know it, is both hilarious and pathetic.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 09:02:10 PM
The gap between 50-53-55% is IMMENSE
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 09:32:35 PM
The gap between 50-53-55% is IMMENSE

Yes it is.

The difference pays the house

50% is what the average dolt should get picking randomly.

with the vig the average dolt needs 53% to break-even.

55% gets you into the house money

You lost $1500 so far at 47%.

You're the rube at the table.

You're paying the house's rent.



TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 09:43:41 PM
An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread?  Please.  That's epic.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 09:59:40 PM
39 of the top 71 handicappers this year are under 55% - and they only have to pick their top 2 games each week
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 20, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread?  Please.  That's epic.

And self-reported.

I'm told Trump won a huge victory, too, Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
An ENTIRE SLATE - 250+ games - at 55% vs the spread?  Please.  That's epic.

That would be above average (50% and slightly into the money)

And your 47% through week 10 is below average and has produced a loss of around $1500.

If I use your demonstrated 25 years of incompetence in sports handicapping as a guide I would say its improbably you would pick 55% for a full season.

and you are lying.

Though given enough years and enough monkeys and enough typewriters a monkey will eventually type Romeo & Juliet.

If I were to draw a normal distribution of 71 anythings, 35 would be above and 35 below the mean.

Your 39 # tells me little of your select universe of 71 handicappers.

Were 32 of the top 71 above 55% but hundreds of non-top handicappers between 40 and 50%?

You've presented meaningless #s. 

If you are insinuating you are a top handicapper, you are not.

Not remotely close.

You do not have the skills.

You're just a monkey banging at a typewriter.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 10:53:47 PM
It would be very tough without working at it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2020, 11:26:55 PM
It would be very tough without working at it.

I know.

But diligence alone is not enough.

And it explains in part your below average handicapping skills and poor results,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 11:55:04 PM
Just 1 example  - finding out Russ was 8-1 on Thursday nights - now 9-1 - after the game ended.

Thinking on the given numbers does not guarantee success of course as many pros show each week/year

I pick the games quite quickly and for fun.  And you play your role - in a need to diminish it as much as you can. 

Fail.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2020, 12:17:43 AM
Just 1 example  - finding out Russ was 8-1 on Thursday nights - now 9-1 - after the game ended.

Thinking on the given numbers does not guarantee success of course as many pros show each week/year

I pick the games quite quickly and for fun.  And you play your role - in a need to diminish it as much as you can. 

Fail.

Kid I bust your balls because you serially misrepresent and lie about your picks and have for years.

if you could own your mistakes no one would begrudge you your wins.

But you can't.

You're too weak to admit your mistakes.

Its obvious you pick games quickly and without much thought or analysis.

It is just a game, but you applied $ to your picks and presented as if you were smart money.

But that wasn't close to true.

You are not Sam Ace Rothstein nor Jimmy the Greek

Just Timmy the very weak and stupid.
Title: Should remove this forum.
Post by: Kam on November 21, 2020, 12:22:58 AM
Zero analysis of the games.  100% analysis of kid's picks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2020, 03:07:27 PM
Kam - you are a Giants fan, right?  Why so shy?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 21, 2020, 03:14:01 PM
I post Giants stuff mainly in the Giants forum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Contest scores

Week 11

11/19 8:20 ET Seattle -3 Cardinals 58              28-31     L

11/22 1:00 ET Cleveland -3.5 Eagles 48         24-17
11/22 1:00 ET New Orleans -5 Falcons 51       27-21
11/22 1:00 ET Carolina -3 Lions 49              28-24
11/22 1:00 ET Patriots -2 Houston 48           24-21
11/22 1:00 ET Steelers -10 Jacksonville 47.5        31-20
11/22 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Bengals 46.5        24-27   
11/22 1:00 ET Baltimore -6.5 Titans 49          24-20

11/22 4:05 ET LA Chargers -9 Jets 47               31-17
11/22 4:05 ET Dolphins -5.5 Denver 45        23-21
11/22 4:25 ET Indianapolis -2.5 Packers 51.5        27-31
11/22 4:25 ET Minnesota -7.5 Cowboys 48          27-17
11/22 8:20 ET Chiefs -6.5 Las Vegas 57           27-24

11/23 8:15 ET Tampa Bay -3.5 Rams 47.5         21-24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2020, 11:10:23 AM
Parlay -

Titans, Chargers, Rams
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2020, 04:38:33 PM
Eagles lose. NFC East tightens up.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 23, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-bengals-failed-joe-burrow-and-the-nfl-is-worse-for-it-045408639.html

Do you agree?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on November 23, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-bengals-failed-joe-burrow-and-the-nfl-is-worse-for-it-045408639.html

Do you agree?

I don't agree. Or maybe I don't understand.  What were the Bengals supposed to do... not expose a QB to this offensive line?  Someone has to take the hits.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2020, 11:47:41 AM
Bengals are 2-7-1 with just 2 losses being blowouts

Their attempt to be a playoff team this year or build a winning culture (read - try to win games even after it appears you are eliminated) shouldn't be criticized.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
Tom Brady, ASSHOLE EXTRAORDINAIRE!

https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/tom-brady-no-longer-getting-a-pass-for-his-bush-league-antics/ (https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/tom-brady-no-longer-getting-a-pass-for-his-bush-league-antics/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2020, 04:06:38 PM
Tampa Tom lost his manners.

Not a good look for the GOAT

Giselle should give him a stern talking to.

Pats should lose a couple of draft picks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2020, 05:20:32 PM
I was watching the game off-on and TB12 looked way off. He was missing pretty badly on his intermediate and long throws.

But even still, with 2:40 left (whatever) I figured he was a lock to a minimum get into OT.

Nope.

bad game and bad manners for TB12
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2020, 07:37:12 PM
Brady had been 10-3 when facing the leagues #1 defense

But also just 1-5 his last six in primetime

Trends are funny
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
Tampa Tom lost his manners.

Not a good look for the GOAT

Giselle should give him a stern talking to.

Pats should lose a couple of draft picks.

He's a sore loser. Always has been.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2020, 08:21:08 PM
Brady had been 10-3 when facing the leagues #1 defense

But also just 1-5 his last six in primetime

Trends are funny

it may be past his bedtime.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 25, 2020, 04:31:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/25/us/ravens-steelers-thanksgiving-postponed-spt-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 25, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
WEEK 12


11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5
11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46
11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE

11/29 1:00 ET Raiders -3 Atlanta 55.5
11/29 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New England 49.5
11/29 1:00 ET Giants -5.5 Cincinnati 42.5
11/29 1:00 ET Browns -6 Jacksonville 49
11/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -4.5 Panthers 47
11/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3.5 Titans 51
11/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -5.5 Chargers 53.5
11/29 1:00 ET Dolphins -7 New York Jets 44.5

11/29 4:05 ET Saints -5.5 Denver 43.5
11/29 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -7 49ers 46.5
11/29 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tampa Bay 56
11/29 8:20 ET Green Bay -7.5 Bears 45

11/30 8:15 ET Seahawks -5.5 Philadelphia 51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 26, 2020, 11:06:28 AM

11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5.    28-24

11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46.   21-17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 26, 2020, 01:47:09 PM
Thought about parlaying all 4 - Hou/over with Dal/under for 50  Looks good thus far.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2020, 03:22:51 PM
Getting crushed on Thanksgiving-Matt Patricia's swan song
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 26, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
Someone please tell McCarthy this is for the division.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
this game flipped fast.

Jerra called the fake punt

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 26, 2020, 08:57:38 PM
Wide open for Giants

Dallas is a tough read week to week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 26, 2020, 11:40:15 PM
Hail to the Redskins
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 27, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
Hail to the Redskins

Um..they don't exist anymore, Paleface.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 27, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
Heard a nice idea today

Ravens FORFEIT this week due to the horrific actions of their ass coach
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 28, 2020, 05:01:19 PM
Question asked elsewhere:

"Let's say the Steelers end the season 19-0. Super Bowl champs in a record breaking season.

"Will there be a Covid-19 asterisk in the record books?? Should there be?"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 28, 2020, 09:27:52 PM
I'd take Seattle in tomorrow's game.

For a lot.

The Broncos have no available QB for tomorrow. All 3 on their roster have Covid related issues
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 11:41:23 AM
Pats fined $350K for covid-19 violations

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/29/sports/patriots-fined-350000-covid-19-protocol-violations/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/29/sports/patriots-fined-350000-covid-19-protocol-violations/)


The Patriots were fined $350,000 by the NFL last month for violating the league’s COVID-19 protocols, a league source told the Globe Sunday morning.

The Patriots were fined because players weren’t properly wearing masks at the team facility, per the source.

The Patriots are one of a handful of teams that has been punished for violating the NFL’s COVID protocols. This month the Raiders were fined $500,000 and docked a sixth-round pick for repeated violations, and the Saints were fined $500,000 and docked a seventh-rounder. The Titans also have been fined $350,000 and the Steelers $250,000.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2020, 01:08:14 PM

WEEK 12


11/26 12:30 ET Texans -3 Detroit 51.5
11/26 4:30 ET Dallas -3 Washington Football Team 46
11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE

11/29 1:00 ET Raiders -3 Atlanta 55.5. 31-24
11/29 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New England 49.5. 26-23
11/29 1:00 ET Giants -5.5 Cincinnati 42.5.  27-19
11/29 1:00 ET Browns -6 Jacksonville 49. 27-17
11/29 1:00 ET Minnesota -4.5 Panthers 47.   31-27
11/29 1:00 ET Indianapolis -3.5 Titans 51. 24-21
11/29 1:00 ET Buffalo -5.5 Chargers 53.5.   34-27
11/29 1:00 ET Dolphins -7 New York Jets 44.5.  26-23

11/29 4:05 ET Saints -5.5 Denver 43.5. 27-10
11/29 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -7 49ers 46.5.   30-20
11/29 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 Tampa Bay 56.  28-21
11/29 8:20 ET Green Bay -7.5 Bears 45  27-17

11/30 8:15 ET Seahawks -5.5 Philadelphia 51.  31-21

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Steelers 24-17 if they play
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 02:00:00 PM
Steelers 24-17 if they play

11/26 8:20 ET Steelers -4.5 Baltimore 45 - POSTPONED - MORE TO COME AS WE KNOW MORE

kid that line now is -10

not  -4.5

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
Pats with a W as the clock hits 0:00

G-Men with a big win to take command of the wide-open NFC East!

Jets remain the J-E-T-S and remain in the lead for Trevor
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
17-0 Chiefs, still in QTR 1.

TB who?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
Tom should play better D.

He's too slow to cover Hill one-on-one, he needs safety help over the top

and one on the side

both sides
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2020, 07:27:10 PM
I see the refs let the Bucs back in.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 07:30:12 PM
after the tsunami in the 1st qtr it turned into a decent game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Brady remembered to shake hands. In a loss.

Amazing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
Giselle yelled at him
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2020, 09:19:06 PM
Back door cover?

Real money KC bettors irate.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 02:53:59 AM
I'd take Seattle in tomorrow's game.

For a lot.

The Broncos have no available QB for tomorrow. All 3 on their roster have Covid related issues

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2920143-broncos-reportedly-wanted-coach-rob-calabrese-to-start-at-qb-nfl-denied-request

I agree with the Broncos - the NFL was unreasonable, whether it was the refusal to let Calabrese play or the refusal to let them move the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 02:14:34 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 30, 2020, 03:36:01 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 30, 2020, 05:05:19 PM
more like

The Buffalo Blue Jays

or the Tampa Raptors
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 30, 2020, 07:43:50 PM
Baltimore is horse country. Lots of champion thoroughbreds from there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
Baltimore is also the land of COVID-19 listed football players.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/us/ravens-steelers-covid-cases-spt-trnd/index.html

The Baltimore Infections, maybe...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 30, 2020, 09:12:09 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 09:32:51 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.

The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 30, 2020, 11:15:56 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.

The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.

the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).

Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.

Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 11:23:59 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.

The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.

the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).

Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.

Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.

Whaling in Boston seemed legit. New Haven would have worked. Hartford? It was mocked at the time and deservedly so. Bad enough that it made this list of worst sports team names, at #10, just below the UTAH Jazz. They are only fortunate to have been on a list including college/university teams.

After all, we cannot all be the Banana Slugs! (Or the Horny Toads, for that matter, but they aren't on the list!)

https://fansided.com/2014/06/23/10-worst-ridiculous-sports-team-names-ever/2/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
The Arizona 49ers.

Has a certain ring to it, huh?

Kind of like the Utah Jazz.

Or the Atlanta Braves or LA Dodgers or the SF Giants. Brooklyn Nets. Indianapolis Colts.

Shall we go on?

No, the Braves are not the same kind of issue as there were Native Americans in GA. The Giants have no place affiliation. The Dodgers could have been, given their origins of dodging the trolley cars, but I think the Lakers are a far better example - named for the 10,000 lakes! Nets can be anywhere. So can Cubs or Lions or Tigers, since they are misfit animals, regardless of location. Athletics, too. Philly, KC, Oakland, Las Vegas, you name it and people can be athletic.

And the Colts would be a good example, except that almost nobody remembers why they were the Colts in Bal'more, either!

The Tennessee Oilers would be another fine example.

I have no problems with either the Buffalo Blue Jays or the Tampa Raptors, for all that the names feel odd right now, as I imagine there are blue jays in Buffalo and I know there are Raptors in Tampa. The Tampa Yankees, OTOH, were always an oddness! And Red, White, and Blue Sox can go wherever they please as can Reds, Grays, or whatever color you wish.

It's the misfit between the cause of the original name and the current location that maintained that name that prompts my comparison, not merely that the team was dislocated.

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

Boston Cowboys wouldn't work, no. New York Rangers has mystified me for a while, but I am sufficiently not into Hockey that I haven't looked it up. The Hartford Whalers was... odd.

The Pittsburgh Pirates come by their name honestly, though!

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2013/10/03/Let-s-Learn-From-the-Past-How-the-Pirates-got-their-name/stories/201310030085#:~:text=The%20Philadelphia%20team%20loudly%20protested,Pirates%20for%20the%201891%20season.

the Hartford Whalers were originally The New England Whalers playing in Boston for their first 2or 3 years (early 70s).

Whaling in NE seems legit, as does Hurricanes which was their name when they moved to North Carolina.

Maple Leafs could work in most places in North America, but the Canadiens seems somewhat limited to north of the our border and southern Florida.

How do you feel about the Canucks?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 30, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
I always thought it a weird team name. As a kid I remember thinking that reference to Canadians had a somewhat derogatory meaning. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 30, 2020, 11:50:22 PM
I always thought it a weird team name. As a kid I remember thinking that reference to Canadians had a somewhat derogatory meaning.

And it did and does. It contains a slur against the Natives, for good measure.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on December 01, 2020, 04:59:18 PM
The Eagles, from NRA era, look like they made a big mistake in signing Wentz.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2020, 01:13:28 PM
Reminder

Ravens- Steelers kick-off today at 3:40pm


line is Steelers -10.5

it was never 4.5 as kid seems to think-originally, pre covid cancellation, it was IIRC a -7.5 game

o-u is 42.5

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on December 02, 2020, 02:52:47 PM

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

New York Rangers has mystified me for a while

The Rangers are new york born but because they had a "Tex" in their front office they were nick named "Tex's Rangers".  The name stuck!

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers (https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2020, 03:38:03 PM

the line on the Steeler game is -10,5

it was never the -4.5 you have listed


If I was betting the game today I would care

Pretty sure you could have laid 4.5 last week. 

e Baltimore Ravens went from being a +5.5 underdog coming into what was supposed to be their Thanksgiving Day game against the undefeated Pittsburgh Steelers to now being a +10 dog in what will be a rare Wednesday night game

http://www.gambling911.com/Ravens-Line-Goes-From-5.5-to-10.html

The point was when you picked your Pitt 24-17 score the line was already -10

But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.

You were being dishonest.

SSDD

as I'm keeping your totals  for you I'll carry it as a no-bet or you can bet the -10 line

your choice.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2020, 03:42:34 PM
But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.


I dont apologize for using the contest line, as I do each week

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
If you are interested in the live number

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/live
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2020, 03:48:13 PM
But you maintained the -4.5 spread well after the line had moved.


I dont apologize for using the contest line, as I do each week

2nspl.com

I didn't ask for your apology I asked you to bet the line

you were told when you posted your 24-17 Pitt prediction with a -4.5 line, the line at that time was already -10.

You had several days to make a decision at the real line, -10

you chose not to.

today the last I looked it was Pitt -10.5

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)


12/02 3:40 PM
281 Baltimore
282 Pittsburgh   

open 10.5 consenus 10.5 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 02, 2020, 03:58:47 PM

New York Rangers. Still doesn't work. No more than the Boston Cowboys would or the Pittsburgh Pirates does.

New York Rangers has mystified me for a while

The Rangers are new york born but because they had a "Tex" in their front office they were nick named "Tex's Rangers".  The name stuck!

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers (https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/birth-of-the-rangers)
I always assumed it was a reference to the Dunedain but I am geeky like that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2020, 04:03:12 PM
If you are interested in the live number

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/live

It was interesting I took a look at FanDuel right before the pick-6 and I saw the # slot (which was -10.5) go blank with a lock on it

and then when I watched the pick 6 the line re-opened at -16.5.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
Well yeah that is what live betting amounts to

May see a new Ravens QB in this one.

Under not looking good but who knows thus far
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
Coulda just had 9.5.  Now its 11.5

Over the ever so slight favorite

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
sloppy clock mgmt there by Ravens cost them some points

strange half lot of points left on the field
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2020, 05:48:07 PM
What was really strange was Doug Pederson's move going for 2 the other day. Killed a lotta bettors' dreams of cashing in. One dude had bet $500K on Seattle, but the Eagles going for and getting the 2 made sure the Seahawks didn't cover, and the bookies cleaned up. And that dude is out 1/2 a mil.

Stupid to bet on others' actions.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 03, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
Its actually been a bit of the norm in thr NFL lately.  It's based on analytics.  Take the shot at 2 points, thus you can win it your next TD, rather than needing a  third score in OT.

Wasnt just Doug looking to top the spread - or screw anyone

(likely you knew this - but yeah, I am glad I was giving just 5.5)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 05, 2020, 10:41:32 AM
WEEK 13


12/06 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 45
12/06 1:00 ET Miami -11 Bengals 42
12/06 1:00 ET Colts -3 Houston 53
12/06 1:00 ET Minnesota -9.5 Jaguars 52
12/06 1:00 ET Raiders -7.5 New York Jets 47
12/06 1:00 ET Saints -3 Atlanta 46
12/06 1:00 ET Tennessee -6 Browns 54.5

12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5
12/06 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 48.5
12/06 4:25 ET Green Bay -9 Eagles 48.5
12/06 4:25 ET Los Angeles Chargers -2.5 Patriots 47
12/06 8:20 ET Kansas City -14 Broncos 50.5

12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5
12/07 8:15 ET Bills -2.5 San Francisco 48

12/08 8:00 ET Baltimore -7.5 Cowboys 44.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 05, 2020, 12:06:37 PM
I look at Kid's NFL forecasts the way I look at Trump's hurricane forecasts.

Full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 06, 2020, 11:01:30 AM

WEEK 13


12/06 1:00 ET Chicago -3 Lions 45.   23-19
12/06 1:00 ET Miami -11 Bengals 42.    27-13
12/06 1:00 ET Colts -3 Houston 53.    31-27
12/06 1:00 ET Minnesota -9.5 Jaguars 52. 27-20
12/06 1:00 ET Raiders -7.5 New York Jets 47.   27-19
12/06 1:00 ET Saints -3 Atlanta 46.  24_20
12/06 1:00 ET Tennessee -6 Browns 54.5.   27-24

12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5.   31-20
12/06 4:05 ET Rams -3 Arizona 48.5.    28-24
12/06 4:25 ET Green Bay -9 Eagles 48.5.    34-20
12/06 4:25 ET Los Angeles Chargers -2.5 Patriots 47.  21-24
12/06 8:20 ET Kansas City -14 Broncos 50.5.   34-17

12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5.  28-14
12/07 8:15 ET Bills -2.5 San Francisco 48.   21-24

12/08 8:00 ET Baltimore -7.5 Cowboys 44.5.    27-17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on December 06, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
Playing the Fox pick 6 with Bradshaw? Win a million for free.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 06, 2020, 04:19:49 PM
This just in -

the Jets are bad.

(Boomer asks on the air if Jets purposely lost.  Could be)

If Johnsons are pissed over the embarrassment - more than he is happy to get a new top flight QB - Gase is fired this week - and Williams with him

Sadly, Jets looked more of a team this week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2020, 04:28:01 PM
Boomer with the hot take that he'll play with tomorrow AM- Jets threw the game.


INTEGRITY of the shield!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2020, 07:10:48 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2020, 07:12:04 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.

Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day

G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 06, 2020, 07:41:00 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.

Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day

G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,

Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.

Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day

G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,

Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.

The OLine and the DLine both showed up.  Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 06, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.

Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day

G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,

Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.

The OLine and the DLine both showed up.  Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.

Let's consider, too, that Seattle has been overrated all season long.

A Washington win, tomorrow, and a Dallas loss on Tuesday, puts the two teams that no one expected to compete in the drivers' seats for the Division title. Who made that bet?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 06, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

Wait. THIS wasn't a lock?

12/06 4:05 ET Seattle -9 Giants 47.5.   31-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
G-Men with nice road upset win!

First NFC East win against a .500 team.

And they did it in Seattle with their backup QB.

They even beat the refs.

Wilson looked like he was under pressure all day

G-Men's D played great and took a lot off preesure off McCoy and the offense,

Yep, that looked like a Parcells type win. Good D, great linebacker play, coverage sacks, and running the football well enough to win.

The OLine and the DLine both showed up.  Took a ton of pressure off McCoy.

Let's consider, too, that Seattle has been overrated all season long.

A Washington win, tomorrow, and a Dallas loss on Tuesday, puts the two teams that no one expected to compete in the drivers' seats for the Division title. Who made that bet?

2020
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 07, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Boomer with the hot take that he'll play with tomorrow AM- Jets threw the game.


INTEGRITY of the shield!

J-E-T-S reportedly fire DC Gregg Williams on his end of game tankaloser blitz play call.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 07, 2020, 02:20:23 PM
If it works its genius! If it doesn't, hey, I thought you wanted Trevor Lawrence!

Meanwhile, the Browns are 9 - 3 with games against the Jests and the New York Football Giants sandwiched between Baltimore an PBurgh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 07, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
I am playing Giants defense against your Browns in week 15 (1 v 4 playoff - Kid vs Whisk) - if you get by B and G.

I thought about tanking to avoid you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 07, 2020, 08:14:48 PM
NFL has gone fucking haywire

Rivera goes on 4th and 1 from his own 35 vs league's #1 defense - in the SECOND FUCKING QUARTER!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 07, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
Mercury is about to pop the champagne
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
WFT!!!

All we need is DalASS to lose tomorrow night.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2020, 08:44:31 PM
12/07 5:00 ET Pittsburgh -10.5 Washington Football Team 44.5.  28-14


Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2020, 08:46:34 PM
https://twitter.com/FakeSportsCentr/status/1336122258348191744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FakeSportsCentr/status/1336122258348191744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2020, 10:51:00 AM
Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish

KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3

Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 08, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish

KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3

Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
Not to mention their lead in the AFC North....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2020, 11:23:29 AM
Steelers have some interesting games to close out the season, The games at Buffalo and Clev, aren't gimmes. Indy could be a battle too.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 08, 2020, 04:29:55 PM
Bulletin Board material: The New York Giants (5-7) sit at atop the NFC East after their major upset of the Seahawks in Seattle on Sunday and now will host another ascending NFC West team this Sunday, the Arizona Cardinals (6-6), at MetLife Stadium.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on December 08, 2020, 04:39:13 PM
WFT is 5-7 as well.  Giants own the tie-breaker but just the fact that they're tied might mean the G-men rush Jones back too soon.  They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season.  He can game manage and the Giants can ask their defense and rushing game to do the heavy lifting.  Against Seattle they did a lot of three tight-end sets where the tight ends lined up as extra blockers. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 08, 2020, 06:22:52 PM
Gotta check those Steelers tiebreakers with KC - though in our current state I would not be surprised to see this finish

KC - 15-1
Pitt - 14-2/13-3

Steelers even need to now be concerned with Buffalo for the 2 seed.
Not to mention their lead in the AFC North....

Lets not get crazy   :)

Are you warming up to Baker yet?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 08, 2020, 11:06:52 PM
WFT is 5-7 as well.  Giants own the tie-breaker but just the fact that they're tied might mean the G-men rush Jones back too soon.  They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season.  He can game manage and the Giants can ask their defense and rushing game to do the heavy lifting.  Against Seattle they did a lot of three tight-end sets where the tight ends lined up as extra blockers.

I think this HC thinks beyond that. Dallas loses. Lot of $$$ for 3-9 record.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night

bumping 49ers Cowboys

2020 weird fucking year 


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2020, 12:16:25 PM
They can't be short-sighted. Might as well give Colt the keys for the rest of the season. 


heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night

bumping 49ers Cowboys

2020 weird fucking year

Pick six - Peppers to the house - gives Kid the win over Whisk

Book it!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2020, 01:30:21 PM
Starting QBs in fantasy league playoffs

RODGERS
MURRAY
ROETHLISBERGER
MAHOMES
JACKSON
WATSON

Running backs

A GIBSON
J TAYLOR
A JONES
MCCAFREY
CHUBB
HENRY
GALLMAN
COOK
DU JOHNSON
CARSON
KAMARA
D HARRIS
DRAKE
D JOHNSON


wide receivers


GODWIN
AIYUK
COOKS
FULGHAM
T HILL
M JONES
JEFFERSON
LOCKETT
CLAYPOOL
JU JONES
WOODS
HOPKINS
DIGGS
K ALLEN
M THOMAS
KUPP

Play along if you like.  Pick 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR and see if you beat any of our six playoff clubs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 09, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
Just heard the Browns-Giants week 15 game (Dec 20) has been flexed to Sunday night

bumping 49ers Cowboys

2020 weird fucking year

Ratings, ratings, ratings.

Good move by NBC.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2020, 05:44:20 PM
Yup

With everyone home or quarantiened for the holidays, NBC has a large captive audience that hasn't seen the G-Men play a meaninful game in  prime time in awhile.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Colt would likely shit the bed.

Big night for Dimes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2020, 06:00:31 PM
NFL Line Week 14, 12/10-14, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

12/10 8:20 ET Los Angeles Rams -6 Patriots 44.5

12/13 1:00 ET Titans -7.5 Jacksonville 53.5
12/13 1:00 ET Cowboys -3.5 Cincinnati 43.5
12/13 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New York Giants 44.5
12/13 1:00 ET Texans -1 Chicago Bears 44.5
12/13 1:00 ET Carolina -4 Broncos 47
12/13 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Vikings 52.5
12/13 1:00 ET Chiefs -7.5 Miami 49

12/13 4:05 ET Colts -3 Las Vegas 51.5
12/13 4:05 ET Seattle  -13.5 Jets 46.5
12/13 4:25 ET Packers -7.5 Detroit 55
12/13 4:25 ET Falcons -2.5 Los Angeles Chargers 49.5
12/13 4:25 ET Saints -7 Philadelphia 45
12/13 4:25 ET San Francisco -3.5 Washington Football Team 43.5
12/13 8:20 ET Buffalo -2.5 Steelers 46.5

12/14 8:15 ET Ravens -2.5 Cleveland 45.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 03:51:03 PM
Patriots 20  Rams 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 06:02:00 PM
Yahoo fantasy basketball draft - join for free.

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/55605/invitation?key=97e2eeb073c1d87c&soc_trk=lnk&ikey=ccd1068c69119d36
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 07:01:16 PM
Pats +6 seems a little high.

I got it as a FG game

so i'm taking the points

Pats got a lot of mileage last Sunday from a lot of great special teams play and a lot of defense and not much offense. IMO the Pats can contain the Rams (20-23 points) but  I'm just not sure if the Pats offense can put up 3+ scores. If the Rams can jam the line and stop the run, the Pats have no passing game. I see a low defensive, field position game. So maybe special teams do play a larger rile and something funky can happen. 

But two road wins in LA back to back seems a stretch, love to see it, but right now I have it 

20-17 Rams

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 10, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
It's early, yet, but Pats+6 seems like a bridge too far for how they have played for the first 7 minutes of the game! Pats+16, maybe.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
Patriots 9-0 on three days rest
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 08:47:38 PM
I'm guessing Brady played most of those.

every Ram running play is getting past the 2nd level to the 3rd and 4th level

Pats just getting run over
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
WTF?  Belli abondoning the run already, at 10-0?
(drop back, not even a rollout on 3rd and 2)
heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
HARRIS is a beast.  Hold that ball, young pup.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 09:04:56 PM
and game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 09:17:16 PM
Belli gettin schooled
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
this level of QB play is hard to watch

Pats will not over Cam it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 09:22:16 PM
I guess Harris is hurt
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 10, 2020, 09:46:14 PM
this level of QB play is hard to watch

Pats will not over Cam it.

They are lucky to be down only 14 points.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
Cam's internal clock is a fucking hourglass.

He holds the ball forever.

A competent QB and the Pats probably have a lead

balls said the queen..
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 09:49:55 PM
this level of QB play is hard to watch

Pats will not over Cam it.

They are lucky to be down only 14 points.

see post above

a half decent QB probably gets points out of the pick and the red zone possession and doesn't throw a pick-6.

Newton is not a competent QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 11:29:16 PM
The Pats got run over on D in the 1st qtr, but with any kind of offense they could have been in this shit-show of a game.

Pats had 4 Red Zone possessions and had two turnovers on downs, a FG, and a pick-six. So in four trips to the Red Zone, they had a net point total of -4.

-4 points

Fucking brutal
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 12:04:36 AM
Belli night

Should have kicked the FG

Should have run the ball on second and 9

And he's underusing Harris
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 11, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
Patriots 20  Rams 17

Kid is the George Costanza of NFL handicappers. Whatever he says just do the opposite.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 11, 2020, 07:28:51 AM
Cam's internal clock is a fucking hourglass.

He holds the ball forever.

A competent QB and the Pats probably have a lead

balls said the queen..

Time to fire the QB coach. Or hold the GM accountable.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2020, 07:33:55 AM
Maybe it's just time to fire the QB. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 10:11:28 AM
Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.

IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.

I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.

We'll get over Cam one day.

some sooner than others
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 11, 2020, 10:16:42 AM
Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.

IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.

I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.

We'll get over Cam one day.

some sooner than others

Maybe we can trade Cam for Wentz!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Patriots 20  Rams 17

Kid is the George Costanza of NFL handicappers. Whatever he says just do the opposite.

Heh

Hit the under

Bet 220
Return 210
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 10:39:34 AM
Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.

IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.

I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.

We'll get over Cam one day.

some sooner than others

Says the guy just dying to brag about his under 8.5 wins bet

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
Maybe it's just time to fire the QB.

IMO its time for Cam to sit and use the Pats last 3-games (against their AFC rivals) to see what Stidham can or can't do against teams the Pat play 6X every year.

I don't think Stid is the answer, but this is a good low-cost window to find out.

We'll get over Cam one day.

some sooner than others

Says the guy just dying to brag about his under 8.5 wins bet

heh

Kid I told you before the season started that I thought the Pats were a 8 or 9 win team at best when the wins #  was 9.5 wins.

and i told you why I thought they were a 8-8 team and I put in on the offense and the lack of quality position players. along with my concerms about Newton.

and if the Pats win out (unlikely) they'll reach my ceiling of 9 wins

You on the other hand thought Newton would make Jules a star and bet a large premium on the over.

You need them to win out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
heh

It was documented

8.5-9

I picked OVER for 8.5 and over for 9 before COVID Cam and the Edelman injury

You had under 8.5 and obviously also would be under 9.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
Obviously Bank you did a nice job knowing your team and its limitations

I valued Hoodie a bit more.

Lets see how it plays out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 01:16:30 PM
heh

It was documented

8.5-9

I picked OVER for 8.5 and over for 9 before COVID Cam and the Edelman injury

You had under 8.5 and obviously also would be under 9.

What was documented was you told this board when  the Pats win # was 9.5 (it went from 8.5 to 9.5 on the Newton signing) you would buy down the # to 8,5 and play the over.

As I recall to get 8.5 when the # was 9.5, the required wager was around -160 and not the usual -110 to win 100.

so you paid a $50 premium to bet a lower over.

You need the Pats to win out, or you're out another $160.

I told it was a bad bet.

Good luck
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
You did well

Know your team

I look forward to your thoughts on who the new QB should be/where Pats should go in draft
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 02:33:47 PM
I haven't watched much college football this year so outside of Trevor Lawrence I really don;t know who's who.

I'll watch the conference chapionships and some bowl games for mostly entertainment and get some idea of players.

The Pats have a lot of needs beyond QB.

If the Jets snag Lawrence and he sees himself as a Joisey guy, it will be interesting what they do with Darnold.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
I'll be looking for a Jets deal down
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 03:38:06 PM
I'll be looking for a Jets deal down


i don't think Woody Johnson & Johnson can get his hands on enough Band-Aids to stop the bleeding if they pass on Lawrence. 

They will get killed by local and national media and their fans if they trade out of #1 pick (Lawrence).

if the Jets go winless and Lawrence comes out, they'll take him and trade Darnold.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 03:51:38 PM
Likely

We watch as it plays out

Will be some interesting offers

You are very confident for someone who admittedly hasnt seen the other players much
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 04:19:33 PM
Likely

We watch as it plays out

Will be some interesting offers

You are very confident for someone who admittedly hasnt seen the other players much

I'm confident that very few teams trade out of a pick that could yield them a generational QB, and from what I've seen over the past 2-3 years, Lawrence is that guy.

The downside for fucking this up is too great for a franchise as mocked as the JETS are.

And I'll watch the conference championships and the bowl games to get some flavor, There have been very few games so far this year that has grabbed my attention. I like inter-conference games and there were basically none this year, and most of the good games are usually end of year. So I haven't missed much.

YMMV

But rest assured I've watched more games than tOSU has played.

heh

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 11, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
Reporting the Metanoia by Jets on Mehta:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/11/washington-post-takes-a-closer-look-at-manish-mehtas-departure-from-the-new-york-daily-news/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/11/washington-post-takes-a-closer-look-at-manish-mehtas-departure-from-the-new-york-daily-news/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 11, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
But rest assured I've watched more games than tOSU has played.

LOL!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence  hot take, please do.

I don't see it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 11, 2020, 06:22:23 PM
I'll be looking for a Jets deal down
I think Lawrence is the best QB prospect since at least Luck. I also think there is a devate as to whether the Jets pick up Darnold's fifth year, let alone give him a second contract. Especially at QB you do not pass on a prospect like Lawrence because you have someone you think with the right pieces around him might be good. Yes, the Jets need a lot but the single most important and hardest piece to find is a championship level QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
Jets dont get skewered enough for Darnold over Allen.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2020, 10:53:26 AM
heh

when kid has no answer to other's rebuttals of his hot takes , which is almost always, he changes the subject

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence  hot take, please do.


You want me to back up that they have the opportunity to do this?

Darnold has underachieved as so many here's preferred pick to Barkley (heh).  I would think Jets will think long and hard on going with Lawrence or another QB beginning next season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2020, 06:14:49 PM
And kid anytime you want to provide something to back-up your Jets trade down and out from Lawrence  hot take, please do.


You want me to back up that they have the opportunity to do this?

Darnold has underachieved as so many here's preferred pick to Barkley (heh).  I would think Jets will think long and hard on going with Lawrence or another QB beginning next season.


if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence.

You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it.

Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck.

and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject.

And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake.

IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket

He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia. 

YMMV

happy motoring
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence.    That's right

You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it.       No.  Didnt say they would

Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck.      Says Whisk - who I trust, yes

and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject.      Support what opinion?  That Jets have a chance to trade down and get multiples? 

And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake.    I believe you, that is how I recall it from you and others - though (in looking back) that was wiped from the forum - and later when I said Saquon would have the biggest first year impact, you were silent

IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket    The #2?  Surely they could have had multiple picks, yes - maybe even Allen.  But pretty sure you (and the crowd) had us making the pick

He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia.      no comment on this flimflam

YMMV    Gesundheit

happy motoring       thanks 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2020, 11:14:19 PM


With 2020 overall No. 1 pick Joe Burrow showing promise, the Bengals will use their next premium draft pick to acquire their QB protection in the form of 247Sports' top offensive tackle on its 2021 draft-preview board: Penei Sewell. Sewell opted out of the 2020 college football season.



This guy would be a great Jet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2020, 11:55:14 PM
if the Jets get the #1 I imagine they will be innundated with offers, and all with the goal of drafting Lawrence.    That's right

You said the Jets would trade out of the #1 and I and then Boz challenged you on it.       No.  Didnt say they would

Lawrence seems to be as close to a face of the franchise stud QB as there has been since Luck.      Says Whisk - who I trust, yes

and rather than support your opinion you changed the subject.      Support what opinion?  That Jets have a chance to trade down and get multiples? 

And ftr, as you likely recall, I thought Barkely at #2 for the G-Men was a mistake.    I believe you, that is how I recall it from you and others - though (in looking back) that was wiped from the forum - and later when I said Saquon would have the biggest first year impact, you were silent

IMO they could have cashed that pick for a basket    The #2?  Surely they could have had multiple picks, yes - maybe even Allen.  But pretty sure you (and the crowd) had us making the pick

He was a Bentley, a luxury car, for a team that had so many far more basic needs, and should have leased a Kia.      no comment on this flimflam

YMMV    Gesundheit

happy motoring       thanks 

LMAO

when you press kid to support his hot takes he's shits his pants and spews bullshit

a shit fountain

SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
Pick the entire slate today, Banks.  Have some fun.

I think I am about $800 down for the year with the juice - but this doesnt factor in parlays.  Decent run the last 4 weeks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 10:15:33 AM
Pick the entire slate today, Banks.  Have some fun.

I think I am about $800 down for the year with the juice - but this doesnt factor in parlays.  Decent run the last 4 weeks

as I've told you a few billion times picking slates is not my thing-its a 50-50 coin flip that you pay a premium for.

its a loser's game.

and fwiw I've got you YTD at 92-96 in picks (through wk 13-doesn't include recent Pats loss)

and 1-10 in 3-team parlays

with -110, 100 betting as per you

96 losses
 9.6 10% vig

losses 105.6
wins     92

net loss 1,360 on picks

parlay loss -300


yearly loss to date -1,660

best of luck
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
Yeah....

I will have to sum up myself when I get the time.   I thought about 96-95 was accurate...(-850), then minus 1-200 with parlays.

The 1-10 is definitely incorrect.  I passed on at least three weeks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:24:51 AM
Picking slates and coin flips definitely dissimilar.   If you did 100 100 flip simulations, the range (heads minus tails) would be greater than with picks using supplied information (trends, injuries, weather, etc). 

I will note that you not only DID begin to pick full slates in the 2018 season but looked to RUN the pool here at this site.  So any aversion now is a change off what you "liked" to do in the past, reasons unknown and likely to be unstated.

Have a nice Sunday.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:30:51 AM
As an alternative I invite you and others for the last 4 weeks of the season to give me 4 picks of mine you disagree with

This should be real easy for you to succeed at.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:38:18 AM
Yeah....

I will have to sum up myself when I get the time.   I thought about 96-95 was accurate...(-850), then minus 1-200 with parlays.

The 1-10 is definitely incorrect.  I passed on at least three weeks

I will note that even at 92-97 it's not the end of the world.  Not too bad a showing.  BEST BETS would be the best measure.  It would show the more likely +/- in actual dollars if given a bankroll.  Maybe I will add that in next year
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 10:42:03 AM
Picking slates and coin flips definitely dissimilar.   If you did 100 100 flip simulations, the range (heads minus tails) would be greater than with picks using supplied information (trends, injuries, weather, etc). 

I will note that you not only DID begin to pick full slates in the 2018 season but looked to RUN the pool here at this site.  So any aversion now is a change off what you "liked" to do in the past, reasons unknown and likely to be unstated.

Have a nice Sunday.

Kid I used the coin-flip comparison because its holds as a ATS gambling analogy. 

Picking straight winners (aka moneyline betting) is a far different game that ATS.

ATS in essence give you a rough 50-50 probability of correctly picking winners and in that way it is similiar to the probability of predicting a fairly flipped coin,

ATS is set up that way at -110 line to make money for the house.

And I ran pools here as I recall on a straight win basis. IIRC one year I asked if there was any interest in an ATS pool and not one of regulars wanted to make that change. Too much work.

I think we might have done a yahoo run ATS play-off pool one year, but I don't really remember it clearly. 

But I haven't run a pool here since you wet your pants in a 2016 over your attempt to past post a game. (Giants-St L Rams iin London)

and I docked you that game.

And you acted like a spoiled child

I found it wasn't worth the aggravation of running an "honor" pool when one of the players had no honor

And I told you I would never invite you to any pool or game I may run in the future.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
Dissimilar to coin tossing

Less variance.

Also a much greater chance of going broke if you bet  $1500 on 3 games (500 each) per week than if you bet 100 on all 15, given, say....a 5 k bankroll.

Most pros bet high volume with small to pretty strong edges, given a pantload of info
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
"I haven't run a pool here since 2016."

You attempted to, no takers - in 2018.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
By the way, re:. money line vs pints based betting - I will note that I have done both all season.

You can sum me up on winners if you like using moneyline though of course can't get a proper dollar figure.

When I was rocking all last year you were quite silent, U will add, as you have been the last three (winning) weeks after crowing about my earlier losing slates
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 11:14:36 AM
Kid

IMO you're a bullshitter and delusional, Nobody believes you.  PERIOD.

I've seen your sports handicapping for about 25 years and to my knowledge, other than 1 KO pool, you've never won any competition held in that time, including my MLB and NFL pools, whiskey's college football bowl pools, March Madness and other group games. 

And as to you moneyline baseball picks, as I recall a couple of years ago, you ran up around a $2,500 in losses in about a month into the season blamed the "system" and started over with a new and improved system and lost about $2,000 pretty quicky, and then stopped making picks.

Nonetheless, I and the other Elbanese, have heard endless stories of your great successes in other pools, games etc.

I've no doubt in some corner of the interweb you'll go 15-0 today.

Congrats in advance
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 11:25:26 AM
First off most pools, games I am in are documented

You don't get to run a successful no money fantasy league for the better part of twenty years, keep it alive, if the atmosphere isn't above board.

Fantasy football, basketball, baseball, pick ems - all the scoring is documented.

My two brags were in NFL national pick contests, of which you have all been invited to join.  My performance has been mediocre all told - which is expected.  The couple of times I have been up there in the ranks - yes - I posted some self-backslaps.

This included a great run last season, again - documented picks here - and not commented on by you as previously stated

I have zero problem with that silence - just chuckle at your jabs during my less impressive moments

You live your life on perceived misery of others - often not realizing there is no such misery.  It's not a flaw of yours, but is certainly a trait
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 11:29:11 AM
As to my baseball moneyline losses - again - congratulations for noticing.  And proving my point as you fail to include my huge NBA score - which I also ended early.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 11:31:26 AM
"Nobody believes you, period"

What's to not believe?  Spit it out.  What falsehood are you accusing me of?  If it's occasional poor quick math, that's a malady we share, pal.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 11:45:23 AM
"Nobody believes you, period"

What's to not believe?  Spit it out.  What falsehood are you accusing me of?  If it's occasional poor quick math, that's a malady we share, pal.

You're an insecure liar who can not own your mistakes.

You appear to purposely mistate, lie and or obfuscate your picks and always to your benefit.

When you past posted that Giants London game (2016) after the 1st half was over, and docked for it, you could not accept the simple fact you did not play by generally understood rules. and then after weeks of bitching about it eventually blamed me of irregular accounting and cooking the books.

Until whiskey and yank vouched for the #s your idiotic poor sportsmanship continued.

More recently last week you picked Pitt at -4, a line that never existed and it was pointed out to you the line was -10 but you picked the fake -4 anyway) I could fill-in the gaps, but its a waste of time. However this AM provides a more recent example of your bullshit.

again congrats on 15-0.

SSDD

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
As to my baseball moneyline losses - again - congratulations for noticing.  And proving my point as you fail to include my huge NBA score - which I also ended early.

kid I don't regularly post on the Knicks forum, unless there is a Celt item to talk about, so if you made a killing betting the NBA, awesome.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 12:47:08 PM

NFL Line Week 14, 12/10-14, 2020

Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

12/10 8:20 ET Los Angeles Rams -6 Patriots 44.5.   L

12/13 1:00 ET Titans -7.5 Jacksonville 53.5.  34-24
12/13 1:00 ET Cowboys -3.5 Cincinnati 43.5.  23-19
12/13 1:00 ET Cardinals -2.5 New York Giants 44.5.  21-24
12/13 1:00 ET Texans -1 Chicago Bears 44.5.  23-20
12/13 1:00 ET Carolina -4 Broncos 47.  27-21
12/13 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Vikings 52.5.  33-21
12/13 1:00 ET Chiefs -7.5 Miami 49.     27-20

12/13 4:05 ET Colts -3 Las Vegas 51.5.   28-24
12/13 4:05 ET Seattle  -13.5 Jets 46.5.   38-17
12/13 4:25 ET Packers -7.5 Detroit 55.  31-17
12/13 4:25 ET Falcons -2.5 Los Angeles Chargers 49.5.  28-24
12/13 4:25 ET Saints -7 Philadelphia 45.   27-17
12/13 4:25 ET San Francisco -3.5 Washington Football Team 43.5.   20-17
12/13 8:20 ET Buffalo -2.5 Steelers 46.5.  27-24

12/14 8:15 ET Ravens -2.5 Cleveland 45.5.    24-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Parlay

Tampa Bay
Indianapolis
Baltimore
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 01:12:12 PM
nice goal line D by G-Men

Cards were cut

G-men pulled an Ace
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 13, 2020, 01:38:27 PM
Add Seattle to most liked though not in parlay.  See if I can go 3-1
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 13, 2020, 11:47:59 PM
Game on kiid.

Barring Nick Chubb fumbling 21 times tomorrow which Yahoo seems to think there is a 1% chance of.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 14, 2020, 01:42:57 PM
Rooting for injury wouldnt be cool, right?

I have some tough decisions next week,  Sucks to have a bench

Allen/Rodgers
Gronk/Tonyan
Mostert/Hines (McCaffrey spits bit)
Dionte/Suggs/Hopkins/Woods (pick 3)
Stick with Giants D or take best FA

I fucked up letting go of Rams, who play Jets next week (OY)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 14, 2020, 03:05:09 PM
Rooting for injury wouldnt be cool, right?
Hell no. Especially since I need him healthy for non fantasy purposes.
Quote

I have some tough decisions next week,  Sucks to have a bench

Allen/Rodgers
Gronk/Tonyan
Mostert/Hines (McCaffrey spits bit)
Dionte/Suggs/Hopkins/Woods (pick 3)
Stick with Giants D or take best FA

I fucked up letting go of Rams, who play Jets next week (OY)
I basically just try to juggle my 3rd WR/3rd RB. Otherwise, while I have good bench people my starter decisions are pretty easy. Thanks to raw dogs bailing on Chubb when he got hurt.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 15, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
Jeez - couldn't have scriped a fantasy matchup better

Brown TD on 4th and 5, Dobbins 2 pointer brings RawDog within 2 points at 120-118.  RD has three Ravens.  Favored Wolfpack just one player.  The kicker, Justin "I don't often miss" Tucker.

WP wins if Cleveland stalls and Baltimore takes a knee for 42-35 win

But no - Mayfield has other notions.  CLE ties it up and Ravens, with RB Dobbins, TE Andrews and receiver Brown set to look for yards leading to Game winner

Dobbins gets 2 more and Edwards 4, putting Rawgog ahead 124-120.  If they keep getting yards he is golden

But WAIT!  Ravens stall at the 38 - and would you believe it - J Tuck had a chance at not only a FG for Wolfpack but a FIVE pointer.

Money kick to Tucker, season saving win for BAL, heart wrenching 125-124 defeat to RawDog.

(Wolf moves on to take on Just Say Knowshon - that is our old friend URBANSHOCK, opposite the featured Kidcarter-Whisk other semi.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 15, 2020, 08:41:24 PM
I have added a new topic, using the former Immigration forum, called Upon Deeper Consideration:

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=180.msg158695#new

That link has a description of both intended content and intended dialog. Please join me there if you would like to have conversations on substance, not personality, concerning bigger issues with more meat to the exchanges of our thoughts.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 15, 2020, 11:00:48 PM
Jeez - couldn't have scriped a fantasy matchup better

Brown TD on 4th and 5, Dobbins 2 pointer brings RawDog within 2 points at 120-118.  RD has three Ravens.  Favored Wolfpack just one player.  The kicker, Justin "I don't often miss" Tucker.

WP wins if Cleveland stalls and Baltimore takes a knee for 42-35 win

But no - Mayfield has other notions.  CLE ties it up and Ravens, with RB Dobbins, TE Andrews and receiver Brown set to look for yards leading to Game winner

Dobbins gets 2 more and Edwards 4, putting Rawgog ahead 124-120.  If they keep getting yards he is golden

But WAIT!  Ravens stall at the 38 - and would you believe it - J Tuck had a chance at not only a FG for Wolfpack but a FIVE pointer.

Money kick to Tucker, season saving win for BAL, heart wrenching 125-124 defeat to RawDog.

(Wolf moves on to take on Just Say Knowshon - that is our old friend URBANSHOCK, opposite the featured Kidcarter-Whisk other semi.
Story around town is the Cards are going to lean heavily on Fitz and use Hopkins primarily as a decoy. If I were you I'd sit him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2020, 11:48:04 PM
Week 15


12/17 8:20 ET Las Vegas -3.5 Chargers 53

12/19 4:30 ET Bills -6.5 Denver 50
12/19 8:15 ET Green Bay -9 Panthers 51.5

12/20 1:00 ET Indianapolis -7 Texans 52.5
12/20 1:00 ET Tennessee -9 Lions 50.5
12/20 1:00 ET Buccaneers -6 Atlanta 50.5
12/20 1:00 ET Miami -2.5 Patriots 41
12/20 1:00 ET Seahawks -6 Washington 43.5
12/20 1:00 ET Minnesota -3 Bears 47
12/20 1:00 ET Baltimore -14 Jaguars 47.5
12/20 1:00 ET 49ers -3 Dallas 45
12/20 4:05 ET Los Angeles Rams -17 Jets 44.5
12/20 4:05 ET Arizona -6.5 Eagles 48
12/20 4:25 ET Chiefs -3.5 New Orleans 51.5
12/20 8:20 ET Browns -4 New York Giants 45.5

12/21 8:15 ET Steelers -13 Cincinnati 40.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2020, 11:53:19 PM
Las Vegas 30  Chargers 24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 17, 2020, 08:12:13 PM
Trying to turn around a pretty lousy THU night run - keep a pretty good overall run moving.....

Come on, Rai-duhs!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
Ok let's try to get to 2-1.

Bills 31 Denver 20
Green Bay 34 Panthers 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 01:02:21 PM
 1 pm scores

Indy 31 Hou 27
Tennessee 30 Lions 20
Bucks 27 Atlanta 19
Patriots 23 Miami 20
Seattle 24 Washington 17
Minnesota 27 Bears 23
Baltimore 31 Jags 10
Niners 24 Dallas 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 01:59:24 PM
Late scores


LA Rams 33 Jets 10
Arizona 27 Eagles 24
New Orleans 34 Kansas City 31
Cleveland 24 Giants 17
Steelers 31 Bengals 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 20, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
That was a 10 point call reversal!

Cam Newton got very lucky.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 02:04:27 PM
Did Cam fumble again in the red zone?

Mon Dieu'!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan

small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT

Then the Browns or Titans

and Tampa in the NFC
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 20, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan

small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT

Then the Browns or Titans

and Tampa in the NFC

Sounds about right to me.

Tampa was not looking too good today, but it looks like they made a good comeback.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
For the balance of this freakin' season* I'm now a Bills fan

small market team
never won it
4 SB losses in a row
WIDE RIGHT

Then the Browns or Titans

and Tampa in the NFC

Sounds about right to me.

Tampa was not looking too good today, but it looks like they made a good comeback.

Falcons seem to have some 2nd half issues to work out, and IIRC a painful prior loss to TB12
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
Trevor Lawrence got some thinking to do.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 20, 2020, 07:08:31 PM
kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 20, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Jets win.

 The Jets improve to 1-13 with the win and will now drop behind the Jacksonville Jaguars in the 2021 NFL Draft order. The Jaguars are also 1-13 and they have the edge in the first tiebreaker for draft order. The first tiebreaker is strength of schedule. The team with the weaker strength of schedule gets the edge based on the idea that losing to a weaker schedule means you would appear to be the worse team. That is followed by a host of tiebreaker options.

The fine folks at Tankathon track strength of schedule throughout the draft order. Jacksonville has the SOS edge, currently sitting at .554 to the Jets .593. Those numbers will change a little bit between now and the end of Monday Night Football, but not enough to move the Jets back up top. And given the disparity, the only way the Jets get back to No. 1 is if the Jaguars win.
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https://dknation.draftkings.com/2020/12/20/22192458/jets-vs-rams-final-score-2021-nfl-draft-order-strength-of-schedule-tiebreaker-jaguars (https://dknation.draftkings.com/2020/12/20/22192458/jets-vs-rams-final-score-2021-nfl-draft-order-strength-of-schedule-tiebreaker-jaguars)

I think hell is likely full of Jets fans.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 20, 2020, 08:22:15 PM
Browns have to thank Covid-19, again, for part of their success this season, and likely tonight.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
Dungy took the words out of my mouth

Take the points when they are there, Coach Judge

Cool 3-8 today - IF I get the Browns win.

In a year where the Jets can win like they did today........

Whew!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?


How many did he get?

In the end we will have to see if I went Pollard/Hopkins would I have won.

Pollard/Hopkins/Allen of course as well but I wasnt benching AR.

Obviously I bench Hopkins there so that I can win in the case of Eagles totally bottling up Cards, keeping it low scoring - since you had Murray and The Drake

Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Trevor Lawrence got some thinking to do.

Jacksonville not such a bad place
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 09:52:46 PM
What makes Lawrence better than Burrow?

Than Murray?

Than Mayfield, even??
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 10:19:15 PM
kiid - You regret benching Hopkins yet?


How many did he get?

In the end we will have to see if I went Pollard/Hopkins would I have won.

Pollard/Hopkins/Allen of course as well but I wasnt benching AR.

Obviously I bench Hopkins there so that I can win in the case of Eagles totally bottling up Cards, keeping it low scoring - since you had Murray and The Drake

Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?

heh

Even with Murray's 42 it appears I would have won with Pollard over Mostert, which I literally had in 2 minutes prior to kickoff

Would definitely have played Hopkins had I the 30 Pollard points (Mostert was evidently hurt early 3rd quarter and finished with 6) - *now I see Fournette - another guy I considdered - had 20 - heh

Not over yet.  Chubb and Drake laying eggs have keep me in it

Need a Brown defensive score

(no doubt Chubb will now score)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 10:23:22 PM
yep
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2020, 10:44:35 PM
This is about when Giants score 2 TDS in six minutes to cover, no?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 21, 2020, 12:25:43 AM
Will a 50-pointer for Diontae even matter?


Looks like 38 might get me a chance

That's 10-160 with 2 scores

Drama at least
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 21, 2020, 07:04:45 AM
Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 21, 2020, 08:11:55 AM
Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.

They have bullfighting down there in AZ, podnah?

0lay!!

Or is that "Ole!"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 21, 2020, 10:03:15 AM
Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.

Oh well...

I'd have lost with him in there

Damn - BROWNS D really let me down - can you comment on that - how they look moving into playoffs?

Congrats on that, by the way.  Its official, right?  Or do they need one more win?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 21, 2020, 12:11:35 PM
Maybe it is because I see him 0lay so often, but there is no circumstance in which I sit Hopkins, especially in a PPR league.

Oh well...

I'd have lost with him in there

Damn - BROWNS D really let me down - can you comment on that - how they look moving into playoffs?

Congrats on that, by the way.  Its official, right?  Or do they need one more win?
The Land's defense has huge issues in the back end. No way they can stop an elite team with one actual starting quality DB. Good front line - at least when healthy, Garrett's had some long term issues with COVID involving breathing and especially stamina.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 21, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
Anyway if I understand the scenarios correctly we are in if we win out. Otherwise, if we beat the Jets, we are in the payoffs IF one of Baltimore, Miami or Indy loses. We have the tie breaker over Indy or Tennessee, Baltimore has the tie breaker over us. I am unsure of Miami. Anyway those are the five teams looking at four spots.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 22, 2020, 12:59:51 AM
Quite the first half for the Steelers who dug themselves a hole they could not get out of.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 22, 2020, 03:39:13 PM
we have to fight to make sure that this never happens again." (http://we have to fight to make sure that this never happens again.")

The allegations of a culture of misogyny at the Washington Football Team continue to come out of the woodwork. At least 40 women — 15 came forward in July, 25 in August — have accused current and former team employees of sexual harassment and misconduct since the summer, and the latest allegation directly involves team owner Dan Snyder.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that the Football Team paid $1.6 million to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Snyder in 2009. The settlement is confidential but was reportedly uncovered by the NFL during its investigation into the many other sexual harassment and misconduct claims that have been leveled against the team. (http://The allegations of a culture of misogyny at the Washington Football Team continue to come out of the woodwork. At least 40 women — 15 came forward in July, 25 in August — have accused current and former team employees of sexual harassment and misconduct since the summer, and the latest allegation directly involves team owner Dan Snyder.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that the Football Team paid $1.6 million to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Snyder in 2009. The settlement is confidential but was reportedly uncovered by the NFL during its investigation into the many other sexual harassment and misconduct claims that have been leveled against the team.)

Guessing Trump is a WFT fan, then?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 22, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
Yes.  He molested all those women in the White House.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 22, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
Snyder donated a lot of money for Trump's inauguration.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 22, 2020, 05:31:01 PM
I wonder if I can Jedi Mind Trick Wolf Pack in to benching Mahomes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 22, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
Snyder donated a lot of money for Trump's inauguration.

Hush money?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 23, 2020, 08:37:08 AM
Today's least surprising news:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30585744/josh-gordon-return-field-seattle-seahawks-limbo-league-finds-wr-did-not-satisfy-reinstatement-terms-source-says
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 24, 2020, 09:40:04 AM
Week 16


Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

12/25 4:30 ET New Orleans -7 Vikings 52

12/26 1:00 ET Buccaneers -9.5 Detroit 54
12/26 4:30 ET Arizona -3 49ers 49
12/26 8:15 ET Dolphins -2.5 Las Vegas 47

12/27 1:00 ET Browns -9.5 New York Jets 47
12/27 1:00 ET Houston -9 Bengals 45
12/27 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -2 Colts 45.5
12/27 1:00 ET Bears -7.5 Jacksonville 47
12/27 1:00 ET Washington -2.5 Panthers 44.5
12/27 1:00 ET Baltimore -11 Giants 45
12/27 1:00 ET Kansas City -10 Falcons 53.5

12/27 4:05 ET Los Angeles Chargers -3 Broncos 48.5
12/27 4:05 ET Seattle -2 Rams 47.5
12/27 4:25 ET Eagles -1.5 Dallas 49
12/27 8:20 ET Green Bay -3.5 Titans 55.5

12/28 8:15 ET Bills -7 New England 45
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 24, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
New Orleans 28  Vikings 20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 25, 2020, 07:10:54 PM
Bucs 30 Detroit 23
Arizona 30 Niners 23
Las Vegas 23 Dolphins 20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 25, 2020, 09:37:46 PM
Double Nickels for Kamara. I am fucked.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
Yeah, Jefferson not catching that last TD didnt help.  Good luck.  Certainly your RBs could go off.
Of course I will be checking out the action to see if I can get the alternate reality trophy, where I had started any of Fournette/Pollard/Wilson/Snell (or Allen I guess but I wasnt going there) with Hopkins last week rather than the ill-fated Rasheem Mostert.

For the record I'd have gone with WILSON this week as RB2, stayed with Dionte over R Woods.  Lets see how I'd have done.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Take a look at your hoops team

Daily lineups - you dont want guys on your bench that are playing that day

And your injured guys can go to IL so that you can grab some free agents
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 01:03:44 PM
I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
Take a look at your hoops team

Daily lineups - you dont want guys on your bench that are playing that day

And your injured guys can go to IL so that you can grab some free agents
My first try at hoops. I'll try to keep up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 26, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
New Orleans 28  Vikings 20

The Saints beat the over all by themselves.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
LOL

Tampa under not looking any better
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"

Fournette with a nice start for you
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 26, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
LOL

Tampa under not looking any better

In the old days, Brady would have stayed in for the 2nd half.

But Gabbard seems up to the task of keeping the Lions down.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
Had picked up GRONK since I saw he was playing Lions week 16.

Pat on back for regular season champ
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
2-0 (game winners)
1-1
0-2 (O/U)

Maybe this is the week to do the 16-0 money line run.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
I didn't make it to the drop. I wore myself hoarse by half time yelling "Tackle! Will you just fucking TACKLE HIM!"

Fournette with a nice start for you
Yeah, but they aren't playing him in the second half. Bastards.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 03:33:20 PM
LOL

Tampa under not looking any better

In the old days, Brady would have stayed in for the 2nd half.

But Gabbard seems up to the task of keeping the Lions down.
You me.and my one legged bro in law could keep the Lions down.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
Well, my two home town teams are playing so I get AZ v. Temp AZ on regular TV rather than the Super Double Secret streaming service everyone else has to sign up for.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 26, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
4 of 5 rostered wide receivers ruled out for the Browns against the Jests  due to COVID protocols. How do you do next man up when there is no Next Man?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
Wow - I was just going to ask you if you had considered going with Mayfield over Murray.

Would have been gutsy.

I guess after a 42 that had to be a no go - and the Jets did bottle up Goff

Tough game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 11:20:17 PM
The Raiders are worse-coached than the Jets

You rock, Chuckie - your staff fucking blows.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2020, 11:23:14 PM
Is Marcus Mariotta fucking serious - smiling for a picture a minute after losing that excruciating game?

Fuck off, 8.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 27, 2020, 12:53:03 AM
Wow - I was just going to ask you if you had considered going with Mayfield over Murray.

Nah. Ride or die.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 27, 2020, 10:16:25 AM
27 for Jeff Wilson - but a down week for Hopkins.  Kicker had 15 (if he had that last week I am in final)

Not sure I'd have got to the chip.  We'll see.

Rooting for a 25 point Mahomes effort today, Whisk - give you half a chance.
Title: IRONMAN football league
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 27, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
Took a look back - and this is year TWENTY

It appears there have been just 2 multiple winners - not sure - I may have missed someone and there have been team name changes.  (I won once, back in '13)

Excellent league, especially for there being no prize money.  Just getting in playoffs is an accomplishment
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 27, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Sunday picks

12/27 1:00 ET Browns -9.5 New York Jets 47        28-17
12/27 1:00 ET Houston -9 Bengals 45               27-20
12/27 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -2 Colts 45.5            24-21
12/27 1:00 ET Bears -7.5 Jacksonville 47         27-17
12/27 1:00 ET Washington -2.5 Panthers 44.5     20-17
12/27 1:00 ET Baltimore -11 Giants 45            28-14
12/27 1:00 ET Kansas City -10 Falcons 53.5       35-24

12/27 4:05 ET Los Angeles Chargers -3 Broncos 48.5    24-27         
12/27 4:05 ET Seattle -2 Rams 47.5          21-23
12/27 4:25 ET Eagles -1.5 Dallas 49           28-24
12/27 8:20 ET Green Bay -3.5 Titans 55.5           33-27       

12/28 8:15 ET Bills -7 New England 45             24-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 27, 2020, 04:20:25 PM
How is it a fumble if Mayfield loses the ball but it never hit the ground?

Same as a pitchout, no?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 27, 2020, 06:34:26 PM
How is it a fumble if Mayfield loses the ball but it never hit the ground?

Same as a pitchout, no?
Yes. A lateral that is picked off is a fumble as well.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 28, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Didn't take the layup Whisk gave me re Jets/Browns, the switched late off Cowboys and Lions.

7-7.

Nice to see GB looking strong last night.  And Steelers bouncing back

Rooting for but not expecting that Super Bowl


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 28, 2020, 04:18:57 PM
Didn't take the layup Whisk gave me re Jets/Browns, the switched late off Cowboys and Lions.

7-7.

Nice to see GB looking strong last night.  And Steelers bouncing back

Rooting for but not expecting that Super Bowl

Steelers got very lucky.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 28, 2020, 10:38:57 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 28, 2020, 10:53:23 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight

It's an ugly game.

For one side, anyway.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 29, 2020, 03:27:54 PM
Mason "Jar" Rudolph to start Saturday for Pittsburgh. I hope he does not pull another stunt like when he deliberately thrust himself into the arc of Miles Garrett's harmless celebratory helmet swing last year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 06:57:06 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight

It's an ugly game.

For one side, anyway.

There are many who were thrilled with that game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 31, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight

It's an ugly game.

For one side, anyway.

There are many who were thrilled with that game.

Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.

That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 01, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight

It's an ugly game.

For one side, anyway.

There are many who were thrilled with that game.

Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.

That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.

So you're saying there are more Pats fans than Pat's haters? Doubtful.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 01, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
Lotta past due bills getting paid off tonight

It's an ugly game.

For one side, anyway.

There are many who were thrilled with that game.

Yes, many more than who disliked it, I am sure.

That they were thrilled with it doesn't mean that they would disagree with my assessment that it was ugly.

So you're saying there are more Pats fans than Pat's haters? Doubtful.

Read it again, Ham.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 02, 2021, 09:55:15 PM
Week 17

1/3 1:00 ET Cowboys -3 New York Giants 45
1/3 1:00 ET Cleveland -7.5 Steelers 44
1/3 1:00 ET New England -3.5 Jets 41
1/3 1:00 ET Vikings -3.5 Detroit 45
1/3 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Falcons 50.5
1/3 1:00 ET Ravens -11.5 Cincinnati 44.5
1/3 1:00 ET Buffalo -4.5 Dolphins 47.5

1/3 4:25 ET Indianapolis -14 Jaguars 50
1/3 4:25 ET Packers -5.5 Chicago 50.5
1/3 4:25 ET Titans -7.5 Houston 56.5
1/3 4:25 ET Saints -6.5 Carolina 47.5
1/3 4:25 ET Chargers -3.5 Kansas City 43.5
1/3 4:25 ET Seahawks -5.5 San Francisco 46
1/3 4:25 ET Raiders -2.5 Denver 50.5
1/3 4:25 ET Los Angeles Rams -3 Cardinals 41

1/3 8:20 ET Washington Football Team -2 Philadelphia 43
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Early games

Cowboys 24 Giants 17
Browns 24 Steelers 21
Pats 21 Jets 13
Vikings 27 Lions 20
Bucs 31 Falcons 24
Ravens 33 Bengals 21
Bills 27 Dolphins 24

Parlay - Pats, Cowboys, Steelers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 11:28:52 AM
good luck kid

YTD results 113-121 (48.29%)

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 03:15:38 PM
Late games


Indianapolis 31 Jags 14
Packers 30 Chicago 27
Titans 31 Houston 24
Saints 31 Carolina 17
Chargers 24 Kansas City 27
Seahawks 30 San Francisco 20
Raiders 20 Denver 23
Rams 30 Cardinals 24
Washington 20 Philadelphia 23

parlay - Indy, Tennessee, Philly


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 03:30:36 PM
Late games


Indianapolis 31 Jags 14
Packers 30 Chicago 27
Titans 31 Houston 24
Saints 31 Carolina 17
Chargers 24 Kansas City 27
Seahawks 30 San Francisco 20
Raiders 20 Denver 23
Rams 30 Cardinals 24
Washington 20 Philadelphia 23

parlay - Indy, Tennessee, Philly

kid did you mean to bet Tenn both ways?

you have them at -7.5 but winning by just 7 (31-24) in individual bets (ie you're betting they don't cover)

but you have them as part of your parlay presumably winning by more than 7.5 (covering)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 04:13:36 PM
Giants get a butt recovery!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 04:16:13 PM
call no matter what will be tainted!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 04:20:55 PM
Bills 27 Dolphins 24


Buffalo seems to have covered.

And the Steelers don't seem to have been a good choice.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
Bills 27 Dolphins 24


Buffalo seems to have covered.

And the Steelers don't seem to have been a good choice.

kid had a good call on the Steelers, had the Browns winning but not covering. He almost had it to the penny.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 09:27:04 PM
Brady



Giants




Lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:45:57 PM
Wow - dick move by Pederson
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
Why would the Philly defense bother playing now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:52:36 PM
Total fucking joke
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 10:54:38 PM
Why would the Philly defense bother playing now?

Total fucking joke

The total fucking joke is that you think everybody has your morals.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:57:31 PM
Josh is such a debating phallus he wont even agree on a basic - really inarguable - point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 10:58:11 PM
What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 11:18:21 PM
Josh is such a debating phallus he wont even agree on a basic - really inarguable - point.

Hahahahahaha!

It's like you haven't been watching the game, having made up your mind.

The Eagles sure look like they've been playing on defense, Kid.

But you cannot agree on a simple factual point. You cannot admit you were wrong.

Nothing new here, either.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 11:19:57 PM
What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?

Ignorance on my part.

I thought your "parlay" meant you were betting on them to win.

How exciting for you that you predicted them to win, beating the spread, and only the latter point mattered.

Make it back to .500 for the year?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 11:30:29 PM
12-4, 9-7

Week 15 stumble be damned - reeled it in ok at the end

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 11:36:23 PM
Nice job by ESPN's Tim Hasselbeck - comparing how HOUSTON handled their meaningless game vs Titans (kept Watson in, took late lead), who needed a win, with what Eagles' Pederson just did

I hope a few Eagles leave the team over this -

TH also relays how it was a phuck you to the league, who had moved their game to prime time

Excellent but short segment with Kenny Mayne, who asked alll the right questions.

Of course Collinsworth was the best

"I just couldnt do what the Eagles did tonight..."

"I may get myself fired here but......"

True pro, CC
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Nice job by ESPN's Tim Hasselbeck - comparing how HOUSTON handled their meaningless game vs Titans (kept Watson in, took late lead), who needed a win, with what Eagles' Pederson just did

I thought the coach sucked.

I think you besmirched the defense and won't admit you were wrong.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 03, 2021, 11:50:36 PM
He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 04, 2021, 12:28:33 AM
I think the best retort to Kid would be to simply to say that the Giants should have won more games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 04, 2021, 02:34:33 AM
Who do the Giants play first round😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 04, 2021, 03:28:21 AM
He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.

No, he was asserting that they would not try.

Not "why should they?" but "why would they?"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 04, 2021, 08:50:54 AM
He wasn't besmirching the defense. He was asking why the defense should try if the coach didn't try to win on offense.

No, he was asserting that they would not try.

Not "why should they?" but "why would they?"

I take a backseat to no one in my disdain for Kid.  Your parsing of the distinction between should/would makes no sense to me given the context of the rest of the post.

And that's about as far as I'll go defending anything Kid writes, especially because I don't have all that much trouble with what Pederson did.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 04, 2021, 09:58:23 AM
 (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0004/8067/3849/products/Philadelphia-Eagles_22301004-f57a-4376-8aaf-a4f6a4b68d8b_480x480.jpg?v=1578614631)

Philadelphia Eagles just announced their new jerseys for 2021.


For sure, Pedersen tanked the game, and that will be its own Philly mess.

Still, when the Giants lost to Tampa Bay 25-23, after leading going into the 4th quarter, it left them at 1-7. That was on November 2. Two weeks earlier, they allowed a 21-10 in the 4th quarter to slip away and lose to the Eagles. They loss to Dallas two weeks earlier than that, after having a 34-31 lead in the 4th quarter.

So, the Giants put themselves in the position to be held hostage by Doug "Tanks for the Memories" Pedersen's arcane maneuvers, last night.

Still, once again, the NFL has a problem of perception. In an era in which they have fully endorsed sports betting, allowing Pedersen or others to throw games like that, without comment or concern expressed from the Commissioner's office, will continue to damage the brand. After all, the NFL flexed that game to Sunday night. What for? So the nation could watch the fix go in on a game that alleged to have so much import?

Some might even say that such action would call for some kind of federal investigation---fixing games is something that is generally frowned upon, historically. Some might want to consider again what it means to financially gain from throwing a game the way the Eagles did last night.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 04, 2021, 10:12:52 AM
On NBC Sports Philly’s postgame show, Eagles great Seth Joyner said, “I’ve never been more ashamed to be associated with the Philadelphia Eagles than I am tonight.”



DC Schwartz will not retuurn

They ask a good Q today - how can Pederson return and have the respect of the players?

And if he thought he might get fired why would he do this?

Theory - GM at least in on it - if not the owner

"My decision alone...."

Sure, Doug.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:14 AM
What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?


Make it back to .500 for the year?

you can't tell it from kid's response,  but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.

122-127 (48.99%)

no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in  1% of said test.

As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would

I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 04, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?


Make it back to .500 for the year?

you can't tell it from kid's response,  but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.

122-127 (48.99%)

no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in  1% of said test.

As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would

I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals

Troll.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 04, 2021, 11:09:58 AM
On NBC Sports Philly’s postgame show, Eagles great Seth Joyner said, “I’ve never been more ashamed to be associated with the Philadelphia Eagles than I am tonight.”



DC Schwartz will not retuurn

They ask a good Q today - how can Pederson return and have the respect of the players?

And if he thought he might get fired why would he do this?

Theory - GM at least in on it - if not the owner

"My decision alone...."

Sure, Doug.

CC on the NBC broadcast last night, “I couldn’t have done what Philadelphia did.”

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
What was that about Pittsburgh, phallus?


Make it back to .500 for the year?

you can't tell it from kid's response,  but the results I have show that kid came up short of the "fairly flipped coin" test.

122-127 (48.99%)

no shame in that, as he seems in have fallen with-in  1% of said test.

As predicted that about 95+% of a large population would

I understand that kid has a call into Georgia SoS to find a few more Falcon games that he can tack onto his win totals

Troll.

I'm just having a little fun with kid as we wait to see whether Repubs manage to steal the election or just fuck-up our democracy.

And kid's still waiting for Raffensperger to get back to him. It seems Raffy was tied up on conference calls that took priority over kid's gaming woes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 04, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Did sitting Big Ben for the entire game that influenced a Wild Card slot bother people as much as Pederson's move 3/4ths of the way through the game?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 04, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
Did sitting Big Ben for the entire game that influenced a Wild Card slot bother people as much as Pederson's move 3/4ths of the way through the game?

No.

But there was a difference

Actually a couple of them.  Maybe you can figure it out.

I will accept the point though.  Whoever was trying to get in ahead of Cleveland would have preferred seeing Roethy.

Meanwhile, STEELERS-BROWNS again next week.  Cool.  I owe Whisk one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2021, 01:14:12 PM
I'm hoping for a Brady-Bills Superbowl


Bills were my AFC East pick and dark-horse coming out of the AFC

and with the Pats taking an expected sabbatical, TB and TB12 have been easy to root for this year

no reason to stop now
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 04, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 04, 2021, 02:11:32 PM
Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order
ANYONE at Green Bay in January is a tall order. Except for maybe the Maple Leafs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2021, 02:24:34 PM
Bucs at Green Bay is a tall order

Haven't looked at the brackets yet.

But Brady v Rodgers at Lambeau in the post-season night get some national hype

as I recall Eli had some success up there I think he was 2-1
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 04, 2021, 03:05:53 PM
Funny thing is that by all accounts Tampa WANTED the 5 seed.

Thus - getting a weaker team round 1 (avoid Seattle, NO), but a much tougher one round 2.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 04, 2021, 03:10:28 PM
Wait - never mind - they re-seed, right?  So as a 6 or 7 beating a 3 or 2 they would still have gone to GB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 04, 2021, 06:43:26 PM
DC has a very good pass rush. TB hates getting hit, and plays poorly when he gets smacked around a bit. He will likely escape that game with a win, but it'll hurt. And luck favors the underdogs.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 04, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 04, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I do not care about the circumstances if you only win 6 games you have no right to complain about someone else spoiling your chance to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 05, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
Kevin Stefanski tests positive for COVID 19 and will miss at least the first two playoff games (if there are two) because God is eternally Lucy to Browns Fans' Charlie Brown.

Edit: Among the other positive tests: Joel Bitonio, who is our best O lineman, the longest tenured Brown and the only one left from the 1- 31 years. (Long snappers don't count). After all he has been through, what a kick in the nuts for him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 01:32:32 PM
Who are the Steelers missing?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on January 06, 2021, 06:11:30 AM
Love seeing the giants coach whining. Poor little guy thinks th world revolves around his shitty 🏈 team😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I do not care about the circumstances if you only win 6 games you have no right to complain about someone else spoiling your chance to make the playoffs.

I don't think you got the message.  He wasn't whining.  He was recruiting.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2021, 11:44:26 AM
Who are the Steelers missing?
Haden, Ebron and Marsh were on the COVID-19 reserve list as of this am.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 06, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Thats rough

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: NFL-Post-season prediction game
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2021, 12:06:33 PM
Final Seedings:

AFC:

1. KC (14-2) - Bye
2. BUF (13-3)
3. PIT (12-4)
4. TEN (11-5)
5. BAL (11-5)
6. CLE (11-5)
7. IND (11-5)

Round 1:
7 – IND @ 2 – BUF
6 – CLE @ 3 – PIT
5 – BAL @ 4 – TEN



NFC:

1. GB (13-3) - Bye
2. NO (12-4)
3. SEA (12-4)
4. WAS (7-9)
5. TB (11-5)
6. LAR (10-6)
7. CHI (8-8)

Round 1:
7 – CHI @ 2 – NO
6 – LAR @ 3 – SEA
5 – TB @ 4 – WAS

pick the winners (straight wins) from WC week-end to the Superbowl (pick a score-tiebreaker, why not)

ALL picks due before kick-off first game 1pm saturday Colts @ Bills

1 point for each correct winner (13 max )

good luck
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2021, 12:08:22 PM
Thats rough

Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
AFC

2 Buffalo over 7 Indy
3 Pittsburgh over 6 Cleveland
4 Tennessee over 5 Baltimore

1 KC over 4 Tennessee
2 Buffalo over 3 Pittsburgh

2 Buffalo over 1 KC

NFC

2 Saints over 7 Bears
3 Seahawks over 6 Rams
5 Bucs over 4 Washington

5 Bucs over 1 Packers
2 Saints over 3 Seahawks

5 Bucs over 2 Saints

Super Bowl: Bucs over Buffalo 37-31 (OT)

MVP Brady to Gronk for the game winner


subject to some rethnking-injuries-covid-sobriety etc
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2021, 12:10:26 PM
378 is a lot of points.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2021, 12:13:16 PM
378 is a lot of points.

yes it is

fixed
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2021, 12:20:13 PM
ACC:

Buffalo over Indianapolis
Cleveland.over Pittsburgh
Baltimore over Tennessee

Cleveland over Kansas City
🐃 over Ravens

Cleveland over 🐃

NFC

Saints over Bears
Seahawks over Rams
Buccaneers over Football Team

Packers over Buccaneers
Saints over Seahawks

Packers over Saints

Super Bowl:  Browns over Packers

Super Bowl MVP: Nick Chubb

As I have said elsewhere,  as long as there is a ship, I AM GOING DOWN WITH IT!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 06, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Thats rough

Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.

Jaden of course a key guy

But good teams rely on depth.  No excuses here.

Ben has been there.  And I like Mayfield.  Just ready to enjoy a game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2021, 04:55:24 PM
Thats rough

Thanks for the info.
Other than Haden, not.sure if they are positive test or close contacts who would be eligible to return.

Jaden of course a key guy

But good teams rely on depth.  No excuses here.

Ben has been there.  And I like Mayfield.  Just ready to enjoy a game.
I agree. We have injuries all up and down the O line. We either have built a team that can withstand injuries or we do not deserve to win.

Browns are playing the one time this weekend when my viewing time is iffy. Probably good for my blood pressure.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2021, 03:09:01 PM
Hall of Fame - in our out?

Peyton Manning
Torry Holt
Calvin Johnson
Reggie Wayne
LeRoy Butler
John Lynch
Ronde Barber
Charles Woodson
Jared Allen
Richard Seymour
Clay Matthews
Sam Mills
Zach Thomas
Alan Faneca
Tony Boselli

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 07, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
Peyton Manning
Calvin Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Charles Woodson
Richard Seymour
Tony Boselli
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2021, 06:11:21 PM
Good list

Likely more of them eventually get in

I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 07, 2021, 06:28:41 PM
Good list

Likely more of them eventually get in

I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.

I agree with Steve's list, but I'd add Jamie Moyer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
Peyton Manning
Calvin Johnson
John Lynch
Charles Woodson
Richard Seymour
Alan Faneca


Moyer was no George Blanda

or Adam Vinatieri
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 07, 2021, 10:25:48 PM
Good list

Likely more of them eventually get in

I will add Mills and Lynch for now but with no prolonged argument.

I agree with Steve's list, but I'd add Jamie Moyer.

Hah!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 11:06:10 AM
todays games and lines

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)


105pm Colts @ Bills          Bills -6 .5 ou 51

440pm  Rams at S'Hawks  S'Hawks -3  ou 42.5

815pm  Buc @ WFT           Buc-8.5      ou  45



thinking

Bills 31-23

S'hawks 23-17

Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

1/9 1:05 ET Buffalo -6.5 Colts 52      27-20
1/9 4:40 ET Seattle -3.5 Rams 42.5    19-17
1/9 8:15 ET Buccaneers -9 Washington 45.5      30-13

1/10 1:05 ET Ravens -3 Tennessee 55
1/10 4:40 ET New Orleans -10 Bears 48
1/10 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -6 Browns 47.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 09, 2021, 12:33:27 PM

105pm Colts @ Bills          Bills -6 .5 ou 51

440pm  Rams at S'Hawks  S'Hawks -3  ou 42.5

815pm  Buc @ WFT           Buc-8.5      ou  45

thinking

Bills 31-23

S'hawks 23-17

Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)

Bills 34-20

Seahawks 30-20

Bucs 30-20

That is, I expect the same things you do, except the over for the latter two games, not the under.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 01:06:10 PM
Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)

Not sure I get this one

Are you changing to an OVER number if he doesnt play?  Certainly you dont think WAS would do better without him - and you have them losing with and without the spread already
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 01:21:47 PM
Bucs 27-17 (pending Alex Smith news)

Not sure I get this one

Are you changing to an OVER number if he doesnt play?  Certainly you dont think WAS would do better without him - and you have them losing with and without the spread already

kid-Its not that complicated

I'd say you were overthinking it, but thats clearly something you don't do.

I'm waiting for some clarification whether Smith will play tonight.

I put in a placeholder best-guess score with an under total, with the assumption at best he may play hurt, if I get additional info I may make a different decision.

I'll post it before the game starts.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 09, 2021, 01:48:34 PM
I have two upsets this weekend: I predict the Rams over the Shawks and of course Cleveland over Pittsburgh.  As usual I also predict at least one instance of bitter disappointment.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 09, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
I have two upsets this weekend: I predict the Rams over the Shawks and of course Cleveland over Pittsburgh.  As usual I also predict at least one instance of bitter disappointment.

I think the WFT will beat the Bucs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 02:08:48 PM
No way Bills are winning this game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 02:12:49 PM
With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the  under to......

well...

who the fuck knows?

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 02:18:52 PM
1st second guess of the weekend

should have taken the 3
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 02:22:51 PM
With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the  under to......

well...

who the fuck knows?

heh

with Smith out and an untested QB playing for the WFT

Bank might think that could create scoring opportunites on offense and defense for Tampa

and WFT's D might be very tired by the 4th qtr.

just a thought
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 02:31:37 PM
Bills dodge a bullet
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 02:33:59 PM
With Smith out, I guess Bank would change his thinking from Bucs and the  under to......

well...

who the fuck knows?

heh

with Smith out and an untested QB playing for the WFT

Bank might think that could create scoring opportunites on offense and defense for Tampa

and WFT's D might be very tired by the 4th qtr.

just a thought

yep
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 02:35:44 PM
No way Bills are winning this game.

Nice reverse ziggy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 03:16:31 PM
maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:33:33 PM
Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:43:15 PM
Exact scores


Bills 31-23 plenty viable

My 27-20 just went up in flames, as did 34-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:44:13 PM
Allen wants to go on 4th and 6

Whaaaat?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:44:49 PM
54 yarder?

I'd punt.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
Wow - rookie nailed it

UNDER looking good.  Bills cover still up in the air.

Swear I almost went 27-19...

heh

(like last week when I had a typo to FaceBook site and fixed it - initially calling 24-22 Browns and amending to what I wanted - 24-21)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 09, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
"Good" call.

54 yarder?

I'd punt.
"Good" call.

I appreciated the old school SNL reference.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 09, 2021, 03:52:41 PM
Bills keep trying to catch up to Heinz..

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 03:59:13 PM
Analytics says go for 2 here if you score
"Good" call.

54 yarder?

I'd punt.
"Good" call.

I appreciated the old school SNL reference.

I was right

Pen them in below the 10 yard line - up 8

Then let your D work, rather than that pisspoor shit we just saw to allow it to get to 27-22 and then 24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
Wow - great recovery by Bills

May have just won the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 04:00:41 PM
maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself

maybe not

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
Rooting for the defensive score for you guys
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:12:48 PM
Replay, baby....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:13:45 PM
Great time out by Bills

But they will screw up the call.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 04:16:35 PM
maybe years of bad Bills juju is reversing itself

maybe not

heh

maybe

Bills have gotten a ton of breaks today

I think this one's a fumble
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:20:01 PM
Every year.

No balls, NFL.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 04:21:15 PM
DPI coming
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
and the Bills march on!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 05:50:31 PM
Rams D is battering the stuffing out the Seabirds.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 05:50:53 PM
Wow - there has been recent talk of stealing signs in football....

Sure seemed like Rams had the play call on that defensive TD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 06:01:17 PM
Defensive score really opened this game up
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 09, 2021, 06:09:33 PM
Defensive score really opened this game up

I don't think that that lead has "opened" up the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 09, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
Wow - there has been recent talk of stealing signs in football....

Sure seemed like Rams had the play call on that defensive TD
Or, the Rams saw the Metcalfe rant on the sidelines and knew they were going to push the ball to him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 06:45:25 PM
Let's go, Hawks - take this fucker OVER!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 06:46:25 PM
Defensive score really opened this game up

I don't think that that lead has "opened" up the game.

UMMM..

okay
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 06:56:00 PM
Goff with the wounded ducks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 09, 2021, 07:24:49 PM
One wonders how different this Seattle game is with their fans in the stands.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 07:34:36 PM
1st and 20 - 17 yards to a smothered Metcalf

If he drops it its a DPI.

They should flag it anyway

Seattle then goes run-run for sqadoush.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
Totally had this game wrong

Rams just dominated S'hawks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 09, 2021, 07:48:42 PM
Looks like one of Goff's "wounded ducks" just iced this game.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
Reed iced it
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2021, 08:19:10 PM
Smith a no-go tonight.

Bucs 31-13
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 09, 2021, 08:54:26 PM
Heinicke looks like a very hot and cold QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 09, 2021, 10:35:47 PM
(https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/tom-brady-trump-hat.jpg)

This is who you're rooting for?

A Trumpista? REALLY??!!!

 Fuck off.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2021, 11:13:59 PM
Looks like we all got Heinekeed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 09, 2021, 11:39:02 PM
Taylor Heinicke played a helluva game, all things considered.

Brady, et al, played well enough to win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 12:10:49 AM
Looks like we all got Heinekeed.

Given the circumstances he was great and probably played the game of his life.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 12:15:53 AM
I'd sure like to see more

A little bit of Flutie in him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 12:29:41 AM
I'd sure like to see more

A little bit of Flutie in him.

Albeit more than a head taller.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 12:34:19 AM
As is everyone
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
todays games and lines

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

105pm Balt @ Tenn        Balt -3 .5    ou 54.5

440pm Chi @  NO           NO   -10.5  ou 48.5

815pm Clv @ Pitt           Pitt      -6      ou  47.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 11:03:16 AM
todays games and lines

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

105pm Balt @ Tenn        Balt -3 .5    ou 54.5

440pm Chi @  NO           NO   -10.5  ou 48.5

815pm Clv @ Pitt           Pitt      -6      ou  47.5

Titans and the under.
Saints and the under, but not covering.
Cleveland and over - said out of hope, not conviction. If this were a real bet, I would just pass - the Steelers have been way too up and down of late.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
todays games and lines

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

105pm Balt @ Tenn        Balt -3 .5    ou 54.5

440pm Chi @  NO           NO   -10.5  ou 48.5

815pm Clv @ Pitt           Pitt      -6      ou  47.5


Balt 27-23

NO   33-23 (subject to 2nd guessing until gametime) 

Pitt  30-20        (ditto)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 12:10:02 PM
Tennessee 31  Ravens 28
New Orleans 27 Bears 19
Pittsburgh 28 Browns 21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2021, 12:52:25 PM
Ravens 31, Titans 20
Saints 35, Bears 13
Browns 27 , Steelers 3
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 03:56:21 PM
Quote
NO   33-23 (subject to 2nd guessing until gametime)

NO to cover

NO 33-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 04:16:57 PM
Nice game for the MVP

Thought Titans messed up not going on 4th and 2 at the 42 - but likely would not have mattered.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
I was surprised with that 4th and 2 punt. I thought it was a mistake. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 08:18:36 PM
LMAO

That may be the greatest play in this great rivalries history!

I may have to root for the Browns!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2021, 08:18:58 PM
So they spotted us 7...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
So they spotted us 7...

Helluva start!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
So they spotted us 7...

14.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 08:33:32 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 08:42:44 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?

21.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.

I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 08:46:39 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.

I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.

I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2021, 08:53:36 PM
"Man, losing this game is going to fucking suck."

- Every Cleveland Browns fan, everywhere.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 08:55:28 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.

I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.

I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.

As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

We do know that feeling.

But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?

Are we sure 2020 is over?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 08:56:43 PM
As an aside, there is a story out tonight that Trump is going to award to former Cleveland Brown coach Bill Belichick the Medal of Freedom.

That motherfucker poisons everything he touches.

This is not setting well with fans of BB's current team.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.

I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.

I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.

As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

We do know that feeling.

But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?

Are we sure 2020 is over?!

and Pedro was leading 5-2 in the 8th


we do know the feeling.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
"I call on the NFL to stop counting the points and declare a winner."

- Donald J. TRUMP
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 09:09:00 PM
As an aside, there is a story out tonight that Trump is going to award to former Cleveland Brown coach Bill Belichick the Medal of Freedom.

That motherfucker poisons everything he touches.

This is not setting well with fans of BB's current team.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-to-award-bill-belichick-the-medal-of-freedom-amid-house-impeachment-push-457248)

It was all Brady, anyway.

He should give it to Tom.

(No, not that, either.)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 09:19:30 PM
Ben wants to go home
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
JuJU is a punkass and he has also quit
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
You throw on 3rd and 1 at the 2?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 09:35:59 PM
Thank you James Conner
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 09:37:12 PM

Browns 27 , Steelers 3

Pretty close.

Oh, wait - there's another half?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.

plenty of time

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 09:47:01 PM
28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.

plenty of time

may have to rejigger the equation

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 09:47:50 PM
28-7 isn't as bad as 28-3 in the middle of the 3rd qtr.

plenty of time

may have to rejigger the equation

Still time for the Steelers to give up a few more points...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 10, 2021, 09:52:37 PM
So they spotted us 7...

boz--You're wondering to yourself, "how are they going to fuck this up this time" aren't you?
Yes.

I think I may turn the game off. Because if we lose this i fucking do NOT want to watch.

I get it, This is how traumatized fans think.

As my father, of the 1946, 1948, 1967, 1975, 1978, and 1986 Red Sox fandom used to say, "Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

We do know that feeling.

But OMG, 28 points in the first quarter on 3 turnovers?

Are we sure 2020 is over?!

and Pedro was leading 5-2 in the 8th


we do know the feeling.

Chico Ruiz. Mitch Williams. Garry Maddox. Danny Ozark...

But, maybe you should talk to the Houston Oilers. See, they played this game against the Bills, once, Warren Moon had thrown for 4 TDs, and they were up by 28-3 at the half. Then some guy named Frank Reich got his mojo back, and...well the rest is history.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 10:08:58 PM
Yup remember watching that game many many Warren Moons ago.

IIRC the lead peaked at 35-3.

Don't recall Danny Ozark's role in that game.

like I said it was many many...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 10:57:33 PM
and northeast Ohio breathes a sigh of relief
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
and northeast Ohio breathes a sigh of relief

Too soon to be breathing that sigh, IMO.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 11:07:11 PM
spoke to soon

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 10, 2021, 11:34:12 PM
spoke to soon

But now... now they can!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 10, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Congrats, Whisk.  Good team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 11:40:38 PM
that was a bit of insanity
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 10, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
6 games this week-end

I'm about footballed out

2-4 ATS but generally felt good about my picks (except for the Rams game-missed that one)

tough way to make a buck


Nice job boz 3-0 today!

and congrats on the Browns
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 11, 2021, 01:16:03 AM
Woot.

I believe I was 6-0 for the weekend. But I don't do spreads.

Three quarterbacks from the 2018 Draft are in the AFC Divisional Round. No sign of Darnold or Rosen.

Add in Mahomes, the four AFC QBs have 13 years total experience combined. Or, three years fewer than Rogers, seven fewer than Brees, and eight fewer than Brady. Goff the outlier.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 11, 2021, 02:37:33 AM
Woot.

I believe I was 6-0 for the weekend. But I don't do spreads.

Three quarterbacks from the 2018 Draft are in the AFC Divisional Round. No sign of Darnold or Rosen.

Add in Mahomes, the four AFC QBs have 13 years total experience combined. Or, three years fewer than Rogers, seven fewer than Brees, and eight fewer than Brady. Goff the outlier.

And Goff only there because of the injury to his former back-up.

Congratulations on both a good predictive weekend and your team's powerful win!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 11, 2021, 07:50:50 PM
According to Schefter


Patriots’ HC Bill Belichick will not be traveling to Washington nor accepting the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he announced today


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1348790788046680067/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1348790788046680067/photo/1)

He did the right thing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 11, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
“Woke” Belichick is the new Popovich.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 11, 2021, 08:09:11 PM
“Woke” Belichick is the new Popovich.

I generally don't write angry old guy missives, except on line, but I sent an angry e-mail to the Pats this AM. I was pissed. I suspect the blow-back was pretty one-sided.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 11, 2021, 08:30:39 PM
Did the right thing.

See what Brady does, now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 11, 2021, 08:45:46 PM
Brady-I hope he outplays Brees and leads the Bucs to a win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 12, 2021, 09:06:59 AM
BB raised in Annapolis, and understands honor and what it means.

Brady? Needs to distance himself from Trump. Currently, he's carrying that stain wherever he goes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2021, 10:12:57 AM
I'm not aware that Brady is required to pass a purity test re his relationship with Trump.

He clarified that relationship well before Trump was elected.

I think most understood the relationship was personal and probably based more on comped golf vacations rather than shared politics.

And personal relationships are often complicated and multi-faceted and change over time.

Purity tests and loyalty oaths are earmarks of authoritarian regimes.

You seem confused about one of the core strength of our democracy.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 12, 2021, 05:56:35 PM
Apologies for the cheap shot I took at my QB the other day

Classy guy all the way when it comes to the game

https://sports.yahoo.com/pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-emotional-apology-maurkice-pouncey-cleveland-browns-playoffs-retirement-013222970.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 12, 2021, 07:52:06 PM
What was he apologizing for, not standing at the goal line to take the snap?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 12, 2021, 08:48:05 PM
I think most understood the relationship was personal and probably based more on comped golf vacations rather than shared politics.

Or whatever Epstein had to offer him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 12, 2021, 08:48:46 PM
Apologies for the cheap shot I took at my QB the other day

Classy guy all the way when it comes to the game

https://sports.yahoo.com/pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-emotional-apology-maurkice-pouncey-cleveland-browns-playoffs-retirement-013222970.html

And off the field he's a rapist.

"Classy guy" that he is.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 14, 2021, 06:20:57 PM
NFL LINES


SAT 1-16              OU
435P

Rams
Packers   -6.5       45.5

Ravens
Bills         -2.5      49.5


SUN 1-17

Browns
Chiefs      -10       57

Bucs
Saints      -3         52


https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 14, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
Packers
Saints

Bills
Browns

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 14, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 14, 2021, 07:38:14 PM
Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
When was the last time a big time career college coach was a success in the pros? Carroll was a successful college coach at USC, but he had a couple head coach gigs in the pros first. Harbaugh? He had coached for only 7 years.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 14, 2021, 10:43:24 PM
Urban Meyer to coach Jacksonville.
When was the last time a big time career college coach was a success in the pros? Carroll was a successful college coach at USC, but he had a couple head coach gigs in the pros first. Harbaugh? He had coached for only 7 years.
Successful College coaches in the NFL?

Paul Brown
Jimmy Johnson
Barry Switzer
Don Coryell
Bill Walsh
Tom Coughlin
Pete Carroll
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 15, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
And the best coach of alltime was captain of his college team...playing lacrosse!

Vince Lombardi coached at Fordham.

Bill Parcells at Air Force Academy.

Ya nevah kno'.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2021, 01:38:21 PM
Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Bucs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 15, 2021, 02:30:34 PM


From NJ.com:

Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)

Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET


There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.


So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 15, 2021, 02:31:35 PM
Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Saints

But I will not be disappointed, if it comes out to be Rams, Bills, Browns, and Saints.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 15, 2021, 03:04:29 PM


From NJ.com:

Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)

Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET


There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.


So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
ATS. 10 points is a lot.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 15, 2021, 04:52:42 PM


From NJ.com:

Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)

Sunday, Jan. 17, 2021, 3:05 p.m. ET


There aren’t many better bets in sports than Andy Reid off a bye week, and that was true even before he landed Patrick Mahomes. In the six games when Reid and Mahomes are coming off a bye, they’ve scored 40, 31, 40, 51, 31 and 35 points. The Browns showed up last week, winning a game many (including me) thought was too tall of a task. So I’m done counting out the Browns. This won’t be a slaughter, mainly because the Chiefs haven’t shown an ability to do that to good teams this season. But I’ll take Patrick Mahomes to make a few more plays than Baker Mayfield, especially in the fourth quarter. MY PICK: Browns.


So, WTF is this? I like the Chiefs to win, which is why MY PICK is the Browns?
ATS. 10 points is a lot.

Okay, but if they're scoring that many points, as he put in the first part of his analysis, then that means the Chiefs are on the field with the ball.

It just isn't very clear writing, IMO. But, as best I can tell, it is HIS writing, and he didn't plagiarize the way some folks do.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 11:28:04 AM
seems he likes the Browns and the over.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2021, 03:06:50 PM
(Green) Bay (Packers),
Bills,
Browns,
Bucs.

No "B" in Los Angeles Rams, in California (the word), or even St. Louis or Missouri. Almost skipped that game altogether.

The Killer "B"s!

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
Packers 27

Rams 17

Pack to cover with the under


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 16, 2021, 03:37:40 PM
(Green) Bay (Packers),
Bills,
Browns,
Bucs.

No "B" in Los Angeles Rams, in California (the word), or even St. Louis or Missouri. Almost skipped that game altogether.

The Killer "B"s!

There are B movies in LA...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 04:41:56 PM
No one else playing ATS?

I guess kid's Mrs. said enough was enough.

heh

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 16, 2021, 05:17:55 PM
Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Bucs

Rams and over , Pack wins
Ravens and under
Chiefs and under
Bucs and over
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 05:51:40 PM
time stands for no man

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
lot of O last 6 minutes of the half.

Rodgers lucky he didn't get picked 2X before the FG.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 06:28:13 PM
Rams D  played so well last week

so far they no-showed today

I figured they'd slow Rodgers a little

not yet
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
Rams D  played so well last week

so far they no-showed today

I figured they'd slow Rodgers a little

not yet

But his shoulder may slow him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 07:41:11 PM
Good win for Pack

well balanced attack

Rams missed healthy Donald-just never put any pressure on Rodgers.

Love to see Brady get past NO and play as a U-dog in Lambeau next week
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2021, 07:53:19 PM
I've gone back and forth on this one

pulling for Bills

Lets go Buffalo -2.5

Bills 27

Ravens 23
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
Somebody put magnets in those field goal posts and footballs?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2021, 10:27:56 PM
Endzone to endzone! Quite the interception.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2021, 11:18:49 PM
I liked the outcomes, but we can hope for closer games tomorrow.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 11:22:59 AM
Well...Ravens dominated.

Bills fans can crow about it.

Packers D looks quite vulnerable. The QB won that game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 11:32:55 AM
Well...Ravens dominated.

They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 11:42:08 AM
Well...Ravens dominated.

They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.

My bad for not being clear. Ravens WERE dominated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 11:51:38 AM
Well...Ravens dominated.

They dominated between the 20s, but they didn't dominate in the red zone.

My bad for not being clear. Ravens WERE dominated.

I don't see that, either. Baltimore had 50% more offense than the Bills did - that's not being dominated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 11:54:24 AM
That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game

Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.

That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 12:33:10 PM
Rooting for the Browns today

but head over hearts and says Chiefs

Chiefs 35
Browns 24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game

Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.

That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker

It was "only" a two TD game, even then, with a bit over a quarter to go. But the way the Ravens had been playing (and the Bills' D) it looked close to insurmountable.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 03:20:32 PM
That pick-6 turned blew open what was a close game

Ravens left a lot of points blowin' in the wind.

That wind wiecked havoc with the offenses and Justin Tucker

It was "only" a two TD game, even then, with a bit over a quarter to go. But the way the Ravens had been playing (and the Bills' D) it looked close to insurmountable.

Being down "only" 2 TDs" with a back-up QB playing for the Ravens and a brutal wind made that lead look pretty good.

Bills D was good, but they really only had to contain the run, as Ravens couldn't fly in that wind, or kick into it. They pissed away too many points. (maybe 14 on the pick -6 and the 2 rare Tucker doinks). Tough loss for the Ravens
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 03:36:59 PM
20 points

Ravens turning 7 into negative 7

Two misses by  Tucker the American Dream.

But Bills have been great all year - cant just say they'd have lost had Ravens made it 10-all
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 03:37:57 PM
Funniest analysis I heard this morning - "I am betting just the first quarter, Browns +3 - because Chiefs should be rusty"

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 03:45:56 PM
20 points

Ravens turning 7 into negative 7

Two misses by  Tucker the American Dream.

But Bills have been great all year - cant just say they'd have lost had Ravens made it 10-all

Thanks for repeating my post

They pissed away too many points. (maybe 14 on the pick -6 and the 2 rare Tucker doinks). Tough loss for the Ravens


but as posted 20 points is a lot ot piss away in a post-season game.

But nobody said the Bills didn't deserve to win. I thought they would and had them winning, but 10-10 is a lot different that 17-3, changes the nature of the gsame and how its played.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
Thanks for repeating my post


Sure, no prob

You are allowed to agree with me.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
This just in -

Whisk's QB is RFG.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 04:22:08 PM
This is absolutely a TD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
I guess you could say now the entire AFC North has blown themselves up this off season

WOW
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 04:35:08 PM
Browns got dicked.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 04:47:47 PM
Was just gonna say this sets up nicely as a back door 34-25 KC final where I'd lose both halves of the bet

But..... maybe not after that Honey Badger INT
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 04:57:08 PM
Butker yaks it

Exhibit A in "DON"T BET ON FOOTBALL" class.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 05:13:04 PM
Wow - Andy Reid - why?

3rd and a foot - you dont need to run your QB....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 05:21:45 PM
Nantz thinks its a concussion every time you land on your head
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
Nantz thinks its a concussion every time you land on your head

Yeah-everyone knows its not a concussion unless you see stars or little bids circling the guy's head.

sheesh!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIchqvG-3lE73gUWfUxINwBu4R-s6qCDfdQ&usqp=CAU&ec=45761791)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Browns are a hella good team, no matter what occurs here
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 05:47:36 PM
Guess it's legal to tackle a guy by grabbing his helmet and twisting his head into the ground.
Who knew?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 05:55:38 PM
Wow

Really strange decisions this postseason, this time with Browns punting at 4 minutes and change

If you dont get it there you can still hold them to a FG and have a chance ata  tie.

Tomlin had the worst one, down 11 and punting on 4th and 2 at midfield

And there was one other
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 06:02:08 PM
Good job by Henne taking the sack rather than throwing the ball for in incompletion.

Garrett is a warrior.

Good game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 06:07:18 PM
Andy Reid nutsack game.

And the WOLVERINE rises!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 06:07:29 PM
Good game, mostly. Closer than yesterday's. Don't know that the outcome would have been different, but I do with they would call the helmet to helmet, at least when it is blatant on the replay done for other reasons.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
ballsy call by Andy

sorry boz-tough loss

that fucking fumble!

new heart-breaker for the list
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 06:09:46 PM
AFC NORTH

Mwaaaaamp-wahhhhhhh.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 06:18:47 PM
I have been sickened by NFL officiating in the past - and I know some will disagree because of 49's hit at the goal line - but I thought this game was officiated quite well - including the last spot on Henn's run.

Props to the league today.

2 best AFC teams, you have to think - in this final.

TB with a chance to upset the rightful Final 4
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
I have been sickened by NFL officiating in the past - and I know some will disagree because of 49's hit at the goal line - but I thought this game was officiated quite well - including the last spot on Henn's run.

Props to the league today.

2 best AFC teams, you have to think - in this final.

TB with a chance to upset the rightful Final 4

refs for the most part have swallowed whistles for the past 2 weeks.

Roger doesn't like flag-football

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 06:35:42 PM
total fanboy pick

Brady 31

Brees 27
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 08:05:19 PM
Come on, Fournette - be better!!!!!

Drop means 3rd down and Saints may get the ball back.  Catch it and you have a new set of downs at 2 minute mark.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 08:07:38 PM
Now he falls down on his own outside FG range

Oy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 09:23:32 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 09:39:37 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

I'd wondered how long it would take you.

You are incredibly predictable.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 09:46:36 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

I'd wondered how long it would take you.

You are incredibly predictable.

It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.

It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.

Maybe next week.

Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 09:52:06 PM
Come on, Fournette - be better!!!!!


A voice from far away leads him.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 09:53:25 PM
Brees hasnt announced his retirement, right?

Why does Joe Buck have to be such a jagoff?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
TOM FUCKING BRADY!

LOVE IT!


Brady in Lambeau looking forward to that game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 09:55:54 PM
I always liked Brees, its unfortunate if this is his swan song.

He was pretty bad.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

Yet surprisingly NO got 5 first downs from penalties, the Bucs none.

There were more flags in this game, than were thrown the past 2 weeks.


Bucs D was outstanding and totally stymied Brees. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Happy to regroup a bit and hit 3 of the 4 conference championship participants.

Didnt hit that last OVER, unfortunately.

1-3 week, 2-8 spread overall
6-4 winners
6-4 O/U

Money laid out - 0
Money return - 0

Tough call next week on NFC tilt.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 10:07:00 PM
Brees hasnt announced his retirement, right?

Why does Joe Buck have to be such a jagoff?

My bad - hearing now that Jay Glazer reported the retirement
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 10:08:26 PM
3-1 ATS this week

5-5 for post-season.

maybe get into + territory next week.


8-2 straight winners



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 10:10:55 PM
Brees injury a factor. Hence, being unable to throw deep.

Have a nice retirement, Drew. Stay the fuck out of politics.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
I guess Glazer is the answer guy

Now says Mahomes didnt necessarily suffer a concussion - tried to get back in the game and it looks promising for next week.

NOD to the NFL for the improved health precautions.  Years ago of course PM is still in that game - and it wouldnt bode well if he did it time and again as far as his lot later in life
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

I'd wondered how long it would take you.

You are incredibly predictable.

It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.

It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.

Maybe next week.

Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.

Drunkard.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 17, 2021, 10:20:23 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

I'd wondered how long it would take you.

You are incredibly predictable.

It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.

It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.

Maybe next week.

Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.

Drunkard.

No, realist.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 10:23:44 PM
Interesting officiating. Seems the white shirt means you can manhandle the other team's receivers.

I'd wondered how long it would take you.

You are incredibly predictable.

It's been pretty evident. Breed's receivers haven't helped him.

It'd be nice to see a game that is fairly officiated.

Maybe next week.

Certainly Brady hasn't won this game. It's been handed to the Bucs.

Drunkard.

No, realist.

How many interceptions did Brady throw?

How often did he fumble?

There is 0 doubt that the TB defense played a solid game and the turnovers were the difference in a big win vs. a very tight game.

But your anti-Brady bias requires you to minimize his role and maximize the illusion of bad or biased officiating.

You sound like a Trumpist.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 17, 2021, 10:45:24 PM
The only game that Utley cared about was the Bucs Saints,

He didn't care about the winner of

Ravens-Bills

Rams-Packers

Browns-Chiefs

But he posted that if the Saints lost he would be disaapointed.

Packers
Ravens
Chiefs
Saints

But I will not be disappointed, if it comes out to be Rams, Bills, Browns, and Saints.

Utely shorted TB12 and pissed into the Brees

and he got soaked

heh

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 17, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
Brady is, of course just lucky to have now won more playoff games than any other player, by a lot, and any coach by 1.

Of course, there are still four TEAMS with more playoff wins in their history than Brady has in his career.

But as everybody knows, he's just a system quarterback and the NFL favors him and always has.

Just ask Ham.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 18, 2021, 02:35:02 AM
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1351017125444546568

Video from after Brady and Brees have changed into street clothes. They're out on the field with Drew's wife and their 4 kids.

Such a sweet little vignette about who these people are. And one more perfect pass over a defender.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 18, 2021, 12:15:52 PM
So the fix was in.

Got it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 18, 2021, 12:27:45 PM
So the fix was in.

Got it.

Thanks, Rudy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2021, 04:50:35 PM
Mahomes 50-50 but symptoms say it looks promising for this week

A little less than 50% return for play a week after being in concussion protocol.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 18, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
So the fix was in.

As is case with Trump's "the election is rigged", I always ask: "WHO fixed/rigged it?" The Trilateral Commission? The Knights Templar? George Soros? The Koch Brothers? The Jews? 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 18, 2021, 08:12:56 PM
So the fix was in.

As is case with Trump's "the election is rigged", I always ask: "WHO fixed/rigged it?" The Trilateral Commission? The Knights Templar? George Soros? The Koch Brothers? The Jews?

The Inflatinati.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 03:49:48 AM
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-brady-puts-stake-through-heart-his-haters?b
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 10:38:01 AM
Yawn.

Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
The New Prez and "Footie"---which is not the NFL, for sure, but the global game:

https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/01/20/joe-biden-soccer-world-cup-usmnt-uswnt-mls-fifa-daily-cover (https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/01/20/joe-biden-soccer-world-cup-usmnt-uswnt-mls-fifa-daily-cover)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 20, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
Yawn.

Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I root against the guy too, but Jesus let it go.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2021, 12:03:05 PM
Yawn.

Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.

I disagree.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Yawn.

Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.
I root against the guy too, but Jesus let it go.

This is sports. We never let it go. For example...

 (https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/broncos/hleksovwtymlkg3da0i4)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 20, 2021, 02:27:47 PM
...looks for photo of Santa Claus being pelted by snowballs...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 03:09:37 PM
Yawn.

Bottom line, he's won nothing, yet.

I am sure the Saints and WTF players feel the same way.

You are too funny.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 03:23:02 PM
I can understand and empathise with Brown fans and their pain over "the Drive", "the Fumble" and now (have they settled on a name) "the dive" or "the pylon".

Boston fans have "Pesky's held the ball". Bucky Fing Dent" Grady F'ing Little" Tyree's "F'ing helmet". And I could go on and on.

But there is a difference between a fan's elevating their sports anguish to self-flagellation, and denying the demonstrated brilliance of Brady.

The denial was nuts 10 years ago, today its fucking delusional, or pure trolling.

Brady was not born in Kenya.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 20, 2021, 03:35:05 PM
 I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 20, 2021, 03:37:34 PM
I can understand and empathise with Brown fans and their pain over "the Drive", "the Fumble" and now (have they settled on a name) "the dive" or "the pylon".

Boston fans have "Pesky's held the ball". Bucky Fing Dent" Grady F'ing Little" Tyree's "F'ing helmet". And I could go on and on.

But there is a difference between a fan's elevating their sports anguish to self-flagellation, and denying the demonstrated brilliance of Brady.

The denial was nuts 10 years ago, today its fucking delusional, or pure trolling.

Brady was not born in Kenya.
The Pylon will not be thought of in the same way as the Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, Red Right 88 or the Useless Piece of Horse Manure Blowing a Save By Throwing His Horse Shit Slider to a Batter Who Could Not Have.Cuaght Up to his Fastball If He Was at 70' 7" (Still Working on That One). Too much time to the end of the game. Henne's scramble was more important overall.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 03:43:37 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 03:45:56 PM

... Useless Piece of Horse Manure Blowing a Save By Throwing His Horse Shit Slider to a Batter Who Could Not Have.Cuaght Up to his Fastball If He Was at 70' 7" (Still Working on That One)
[/quote]

Um...Table that one, for now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 20, 2021, 04:08:20 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 04:10:07 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

That's great!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 04:13:04 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-people-saying-trump-tweet-000000450.html

You're trolling, now, of course.

Moyer never won a single Super Bowl.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 20, 2021, 04:15:31 PM
I believe that the Patriots' success the last two or so decades was due to the combination of Belichick and Brady and that Belichick remains among the handful of greatest coaches ever, but the fact remains that he's considerably sub-500 overall without Brady as his starting QB.   So those "many people" arguing that the Patriots "likely would have won without" Brady probably have a tough case to make.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 07:24:27 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.

Many people see that you can't dispute this assertion.

Behave as expected.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 07:25:43 PM
I believe that the Patriots' success the last two or so decades was due to the combination of Belichick and Brady and that Belichick remains among the handful of greatest coaches ever, but the fact remains that he's considerably sub-500 overall without Brady as his starting QB.   So those "many people" arguing that the Patriots "likely would have won without" Brady probably have a tough case to make.

Brady has won nothing without Belichick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 08:19:30 PM
I agree with the sports analyst who pointed out that it took Brady like 21 seasons to reach an NFC Championship game. How good could he be?

Many people say that Brady is the Jamie Moyer of football; a compiler who played on good teams that won, and likely would have won without him.
I’d be interested in finding one person who said that (and since you’ve never demonstrated any knowledge about football, I’ll discount you) let alone “ many”.

Many people see that you can't dispute this assertion.

Behave as expected, because I always do.

FIFY
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 08:39:04 PM
Is the troll still upset about Jamie Moyer?

Take it to the no one gives a shit forum.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 08:40:17 PM
Typical Bostonians. They are a humorless bunch of self-absorbed twits.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
If my math and predictions are accruate Brady will likely surpass Moyer in lifetime wins next year.

Tom can compile in two sports.

and will like be voted into the Cooperstown.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 08:52:15 PM
As usual, banks shows a stunning inability to see what is directly in front of him, thereby confusing himself further with each successive off-topic post.

SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
NFL Lines


Bucs
Packers     -3.5     51


Bills
Chiefs       -3        54

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
As usual, banks shows a stunning inability to see what is directly in front of him, thereby confusing himself further with each successive off-topic post.

SSDD

I see a troll directly in front of me.

So I step around the steaming pile of vomit and dung

SSDD

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2021, 09:14:47 PM
Liking the BILLS

No clue on the other.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2021, 09:16:03 PM
Phillip Rivers hangs them up

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30747073/philip-rivers-retires-nfl-ending-17-year-career-spent-los-angeles-chargers-indianapolis-colts (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30747073/philip-rivers-retires-nfl-ending-17-year-career-spent-los-angeles-chargers-indianapolis-colts)

Philip Rivers is retiring from football, ending his 17-year career as one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history.

Rivers, who spent this past season with the Indianapolis Colts after 16 years with the Los Angeles Chargers, said in a statement Wednesday that playing quarterback in the NFL was his "childhood dream."


While Rivers, 39, never played in a Super Bowl, it was one of the few glaring omissions on an otherwise remarkable resume. He ranks fifth in NFL history with 63,440 passing yards, behind only Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. The eight-time Pro Bowler also is fifth in league history with 421 touchdown passes -- again behind only Brady, Brees, Manning and Favre.




IMO Hall of better than Moyer but not of HoF worthy,

clse though-I could change my mind 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2021, 09:36:13 PM
heh

Two fifty two.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
Buffalo and Tampa Bay are my choices for today.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
Pack -3.5 31 Bucs 24. Over 51
Bills +3 27 Chiefs 24. Under 54   
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 02:28:23 PM
I've been Team Tom all year

this one's more heart over head


Tompa 30

Packers 23


Bills 27

Chiefs  24

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 03:14:57 PM
That was a quick start. Three 3rd down conversions. A deep pass.

I hope it bodes well.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 03:31:57 PM
Patriots passed on Diggs

https://www.nfl.com/news/patriots-considered-trading-for-stefon-diggs-prior-to-blockbuster-vikings-bills-
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 04:02:58 PM
Looks like Brady may need to be damn near perfect today



And he has been.

Todd Berman's GB over 13.5 first half may soon be a hit.  Funny - he said Pack could very well not be ahead - but thought they would come out strong offensively early
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 04:03:52 PM
Meanwhile Bill Cowher's "the defenses show up - 24-17 Pack" not looking quite so good.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 04:07:37 PM
Anyway (as the jinx hits and its 14-10) - good first half

Biggest play thus far was the 3rd and 15 from the Green Bay 5 - as Pack marches for first score.

Godwin reception to the 20 a close second.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
that was some insane shit to end the half.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 04:37:10 PM
That pass at the end may be the biggest play, now.

Certainly was unexpected!

The "over" certainly has a shot.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 04:39:39 PM
Great coaching.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 04:47:26 PM
Great playing.

And... wow!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 05:22:09 PM
Much tighter, now.

Brady & Co. have to do something if they want to win this game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 05:32:08 PM
Exciting for GBP!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 05:35:19 PM
The IMPERFECT Brady shows up.

I think a kicker wins this.

(Smart bet was GB by 3 - of course)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
The IMPERFECT Brady shows up.

I think a kicker wins this.

(Smart bet was GB by 3 - of course)

Because Brady is responsible for a receiver's tipping the ball in the air. I know it goes on his record as an INT.

But that one is on Tom!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 06:03:15 PM
I think the field goal call was not what I would have done there - betting the defense can stop them fast enough with the 3 times out and the 2 minute warning seems like a big gamble.

And what's with that slide?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 06:03:44 PM
Wow.

Weird last minute

FG at 2+ mark? 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 06:05:42 PM
But that one is on Tom!


Undoubtedly

But he has a chance now to finish it with a kneeldown, thanks to LaFleur.  And I would say thanks to Rodgers poor decision not to run for the end zone.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 24, 2021, 06:18:34 PM
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2019/02/ap-patriots-rams-super-bowl-football-e1549234904144.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.

He's really remarkable

The GOAT
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 06:26:35 PM
But that one is on Tom!


Undoubtedly

But he has a chance now to finish it with a kneeldown, thanks to LaFleur.  And I would say thanks to Rodgers poor decision not to run for the end zone.

I thought he had a good shhot at running it in.

and the FG was a curious choice.

I liked it as it basically locked the spread
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 07:06:44 PM
Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.

Just like on this one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.

He's really remarkable

The GOAT

Well....

Never mind

A win is a win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 07:07:38 PM
It is very nice of Buffalo's opponents to let spot them points at the outset.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.

He's really remarkable

The GOAT

Well....

Never mind

A win is a win.

You seem to be struggling with facts, Kid.

Every other person who has been quarterback age 40 and above has won a total of 51 games, combined, while losing 64.

Brady has won 47 and lost 17.

That's skipping playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 07:29:05 PM
It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.

He's really remarkable

The GOAT

Well....

Never mind

A win is a win.

Yup a win is a win.

But this one was on the road, against the #1 seed, and against the presumed league MVP and a QB often mentioned as one of the greatest ever.

Not an easy challenge

and Brady was not at his best, nor has he been for about 5 years.

though he did play a helluva first half,  but he manages to bring the best out of his team mates

He really is a remarkable player.

Shame you don't appreciate his game-you missed a lot of great football from a remarkable player and GOAT.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 07:51:42 PM
It wasn't always pretty-but the fucking guy is unreal and knows how to win and inspire others to be their best.

He's really remarkable

The GOAT

Well....

Never mind

A win is a win.

You seem to be struggling with facts, Kid.

Every other person who has been quarterback age 40 and above has won a total of 51 games, combined, while losing 64.

Brady has won 47 and lost 17.

That's skipping playoffs.

The facts are Brady was his usual self as far as leadership today, but subpar in terms of his skill set.   He did make enough plays given the performance of his mates.

Would love for the Brady lore to grow - if we find out it was his idea how the first half did end.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 07:53:54 PM
and Brady was not at his best.


Right. 

But Rodgers missed throws at key times as well

I was surprised that both did.  Would have preferred one or the other be great. 

One's coach giving his QB a chance end of half 1 vs the other NOT giving HIS a chance end of half 2 - sure tells a tale.

Johnny Mac pulling Clemens the only equivalent I can think to what LaFleur did.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 07:55:41 PM
heh

kid sees so much after that fact, yet does not understand.

SSDD

The Happy to Be There Syndrome seems to have caught up with the Bills.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 08:03:35 PM
We agreed Tom didnt have a great game

Try to accept things as they are sometimes.  Without needing to debate or degrade.

Tom isnt the first QB to have backed into a playoff win. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 08:10:23 PM
“Don’t degrade!”

“Tom backed into the win.”

Same writer. Same post.

Does anybody else realize what a clown Kid is? No need to answer, really.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 08:25:19 PM
We agreed Tom didnt have a great game

Try to accept things as they are sometimes.  Without needing to debate or degrade.

Tom isnt the first QB to have backed into a playoff win.

Tom had the lead for the entire game.

How did he back-in if he had the lead opening drive to final whistle? 

HEH

Kid I understand that your command of Englsih is very limited, so you often post gibberish,

And there is no reason to accept those things that are clearly false,

Does anybody else realize what a clown Kid is? No need to answer, really.

Kid is Elba's village idiot and a repeat winner. 

Kid is to village idiots what Brady is to greatest QBs of all-time. 

 
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 08:30:09 PM
Have to disagree, Banks.

Compared to Bambu, Kid is lucid, thoughtful, and a paragon of communication.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 08:36:22 PM
Looks like its field goals vs touchdowns in this one

Oh well, good season, Bills.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 24, 2021, 08:40:45 PM
Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Fix?
The Packers give up a half-the-field de facto Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Pack  Coach LeFleur admits he had an off-day on key calls like an unneeded 2 point conversion and then passing on a fourth down play to
potentially  tie the game( after Rodgers passed on an open field run to the end zone?
Tampa Bay led the entire game and the Packers will have a year of nightmares remembering their futility of stopping the Buccaneers on third and long.

Fun game to watch, though.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 08:44:17 PM
Have to disagree, Banks.

Compared to Bambu, Kid is lucid, thoughtful, and a paragon of communication.

I consider Bambu a visitor from a different continent, and generally culturally clueless and so I exclude him from my rankings. And literally pay no attention to him. Tony I'm reasonably sure is a visitor from another universe. 

Kid on the other hand understand the rules of the road, but generally drive backwards on the wrong side of the road, and wonders why people honk at him and denies he's doing anytrhing wrong.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 08:52:05 PM
Pretty clear the FIX WAS IN on that one.
Fix?
The Packers give up a half-the-field de facto Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Pack  Coach LeFleur admits he had an off-day on key calls like an unneeded 2 point conversion and then passing on a fourth down play to
potentially  tie the game( after Rodgers passed on an open field run to the end zone?
Tampa Bay led the entire game and the Packers will have a year of nightmares remembering their futility of stopping the Buccaneers on third and long.

Fun game to watch, though.
Maybe if you posted here more than once in awhile you would have understood my sarcasm. My fault.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 08:54:39 PM
But I agree that "backed into" is a pretty funny way to describe it.

Brady outplayed his young opponent. And he earned the chance he got at the end of the 1st half by his play - and that made the difference in the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 24, 2021, 09:31:29 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/big-bucs-td-set-up-by-blatant-missed-pass-interference-penalty-on-aaron-rodgers-interception-214952369.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/big-bucs-td-set-up-by-blatant-missed-pass-interference-penalty-on-aaron-rodgers-interception-214952369.html)

Blatant.

Non-call.

Changes game.

As usual.

Patterns mean something.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 09:31:45 PM
This one is looking pretty over.

Knocking on the door to potentially make it a one score game was exciting, but yet another QB has thrown a Red Zone pick.

Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes, in succession - that would test any quarterback in any era.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 09:35:20 PM
What does the other teams Qb’s have to do with Brady?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
What does the other teams Qb’s have to do with Brady?

Their ability to play influences how much time his team has and the chances of their being able to comeback when down, as we have seen in the past.

The better the opposing QB, the more pressure on yours.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 09:43:29 PM
Oh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 09:48:52 PM
I think we expect a certain level of high play from certain QBa, and Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes (2 1st round HoF locks, and a likely 3rd) would fall into that category of QB. So I think any QB beating those 3 QBs in 3 successive games culminating in a championship is a noteworthy achievement, as presumably in this case, Brady, would have to play at an elvated level for 3 succesive games against the best of the best.

It doesn't seem a stretch as a comparison.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 24, 2021, 09:50:47 PM
Bills showing their youth and inexperience, now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 24, 2021, 09:57:50 PM
Patriots caught up in funny business.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 24, 2021, 10:00:38 PM
Patriots caught up in funny business.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-themselves-caught-litigation-between-173035087.html)

It's a pretty stupid move by the coach's former employer and business as usual for football hiring by the Pats. The only odd thing about it is the suit.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 10:14:01 PM
early line in SB is KC -3

seems a little light off of todays game

Chiefs looked like the best team of the 4 today
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 10:29:26 PM
Better take that line now if you like Chiefs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 03:19:57 PM
If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.

Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 25, 2021, 03:30:29 PM
Did he say anything Brady backing into the win yesterday?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 25, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.

Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
Clearly the man has never heard of Otto Graham.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 03:47:52 PM
If you can find it, GREENY's opening monologue today on ESPN/ESPN Radio is awesome.

Puts Brady with Jordan (actually ahead), Ruth and Gretzky in team sports history.
Clearly the man has never heard of Otto Graham.

I didn't hear the Greeny monologue, and context and content matters, but as long as we're wearing our home jerseys, if he did have have Bill Russell looking down on the shoulders of Ruth, Gretzky, Jordan Brady, or anyone and their contributions to team sports, he sort of missed the mark.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 03:51:07 PM
Better take that line now if you like Chiefs

As we get closer to gametime, I could see this line climbing to 4.5+ and i'd still be leary of it.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 25, 2021, 05:10:44 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 25, 2021, 05:24:05 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.

If I were he, I'd leap at it.

If I were GB, I would laugh. Not happening.

If I were the Pats, it would be salary dependent and unlikely to work, but if GB were so inclined, I'd assume Rodgers was injured, somehow.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 25, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.
Doesn't Stafford make more sense? I mean, they need a QB for more than next year. Stafford has more years on him, though I think Indy is a better fit. For what IW, winning with Stafford as a QB might feed BB's ego better than Rodgers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 07:02:24 PM
I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.

Dude from Washington is an example.  Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 08:49:59 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.

doubtful.

Its not the "value" type of player BB likes.

And GB would likely want to a lot of draft capital.

and as boz alludes to, BB's ego might require him winning with a lesser talent than Rodgers.

and there is the prima dona factor

And if he didn't win with Rodgers BB's legacy might take a hit.

Stafford if healed might fit the mold and budget better.

Decent QB, who needs a new team and a chance to restart their career.

He's younger (32) than Rodgers and is under a "reasonable" contract and would give the Pats time to find a long-term answer

But what I've read indicates there could be a lot of bidders-so that might rule out the value aspect.

We'll see.

IMO BB has 2+ years to reboot, as most rational people won't hold 2020 and its general and team specific challenges against him.

But the clock is ticking and it wil get loud pretty quickly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.

 -  doubtful


heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
By the way - hearing now that LaFleur cant count - thought they were down 9.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
Rodgers to the Patriots? Discuss.

 -  doubtful


heh


I gave an opinion backed with about 6 observations all on point, and all you can manage is a "heh".

SSDD

kid do you get comped for building your post count?

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 09:33:51 PM
Ooooooo....

Six.  Very nice

Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding

Dont work so hard at it
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 09:37:08 PM
Repost.

Heineke.  Dobbs.  Add if you wish

------------
I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.

Dude from Washington is an example.  Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 09:51:03 PM
Ooooooo....

Six.  Very nice

Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding

Dont work so hard at it


talking about football is easy and that post with several off the top of my head observations took a few minutes to compose and post.

and you're response was

heh

Pats are familiar with WFT's Heinicke as thry had him in camp a few years ago, but i sense BB needs someone with a little more resume to compete for QB

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
was in the money for about 3 hours yesterday

6-5 ATS after the Bucs upset win.

Chiefs brought me back to reality and 6-6 in the post-season

9-3 straight winners.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2021, 10:14:07 PM
Not bad

6-6
2-10
7-5

as the befuddled year continues
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2021, 10:23:33 PM
Not bad

6-6
2-10
7-5

as the befuddled year continues

2-10 against the spread that's hard to do kid.

perhaps you should consider the George Costanza approach and do the opposite of your initial thoughts.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 25, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Repost.

Heineke.  Dobbs.  Add if you wish

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I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.

Dude from Washington is an example.  Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.

Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2021, 10:03:20 AM
I don't follow this guy, generally just see a few hot takes a year, off of reccomendations of others, but this made me laugh



Max Kellerman
@maxkellerman
Tom Brady has had a full Hall of Fame career...in the time SINCE I made the cliff prediction.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 10:18:59 AM
Repost.

Heineke.  Dobbs.  Add if you wish

------------
I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.

Dude from Washington is an example.  Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.

Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?


uhh...........what???
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 26, 2021, 10:36:28 AM
I don't follow this guy, generally just see a few hot takes a year, off of reccomendations of others, but this made me laugh



Max Kellerman
@maxkellerman
Tom Brady has had a full Hall of Fame career...in the time SINCE I made the cliff prediction.

Pretty classy by Mr. Kellerman.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 26, 2021, 10:42:09 AM
Repost.

Heineke.  Dobbs.  Add if you wish

------------
I'd pinpoint a little used QB and take a shot.

Dude from Washington is an example.  Pittsburgh's Joshua Dobbs is another.

Why the fuck respond to you if you aren't going to tell us which posts you actually care about?


uhh...........what???

How soon you forget.

Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding

"Obviously" you are full of crap and trying to disprove my point from the other day when I insisted you had worthwhile things to say on the sports topics.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 12:40:24 PM
Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding


This wasnt directed at you

I will explain one more time.  If a post immediately succeeds another it is a response to that person.  If in the interim someone squeezes a post in between I will go back and make sure I note who I am responding to - either by name or by repeating the quote


As you were
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2021, 01:00:21 PM
kid no one to my knowledge thought that Rodgers to the Pats was serious, or realistic, but the broader topic which was discussed by boz Josh, and you and which I addressed was the Pats obvious need at QB.

Earlier this year, pre-season, you and i had a discussion on Cam Newton, and to be kind you were far more enthusiatic than I. I was not a Cam guy and thought he was a stop-gap measure until a young guy could be found.

The pats are in the same place and to be kind BB wasted the year, but it was a good year to waste for thr pats given all the covid opt outs etc. But he's getting older and needs to rebuild pronto.

Another thought not adddressed re Stafford is the complication of the Pats adding his forner HC, Matt Patricia to staff. I would think that would likely knock Stafford out. Or maybe Matty has glowing thing to say.

There seems some sentiment about doing a return to sender deal for Jimmy G as supposedly BB hated trading him in the first place.

and kid-why don't you either address the poster you're addressing by name, or use the quote function?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 26, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Obviously it was not a serious thought - which is why I chuckled at you even responding


This wasnt directed at you

I don't give a fuck, Kid.

Your posts that are not to be taken seriously need to indicate they are not meant to be serious, or you should expect none of your posts will get serious responses because we never know when you are going to blow off our serious responses by pretending you weren't serious.

Like your idol does.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 26, 2021, 02:38:05 PM
and kid-why don't you either address the poster you're addressing by name, or use the quote function?

It would require a miniscule effort from him toward consideration of others.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
The pats are in the same place and to be kind BB wasted the year, but it was a good year to waste for thr pats given all the covid opt outs etc. But he's getting older and needs to rebuild pronto.


I guess.  Unless he seeks another pasture.

Does Bellechick have full control of buying the froceries?

---

So..how many lamps did BB break during TB's win Sunday?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 03:07:36 PM
Your posts that are not to be taken seriously need to indicate they are not meant to be serious...


WTF are you talking about?  The Rodgers bit didn't come from me.  I commented on Bank's comment on UNO's Rodgers/Patriots post.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 29, 2021, 05:57:42 AM
BB could not do it without Brady?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 31, 2021, 03:16:30 AM
Jesus what is Watson going to cost?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 31, 2021, 05:28:45 AM
Detroit should start a 🐑 farm because they just fleeced the Rams
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 31, 2021, 05:30:00 AM
Jesus what is Watson going to cost?
😁😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 31, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
Rams are close - and it could be said with better QB play they are right there in the league with anyone.

Late ones, right?  Good players, I am sure.

Goff wasnt part of the value going back.  Figuring in Stafford as the new starter it is a positive to deal Goff in this one - losing his $$.  Dont think by himself Goff brings much of anything back if offered around the L.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 31, 2021, 02:04:59 PM
Jesus what is Watson going to cost?

Priceless

Will he hold out is the question
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 01, 2021, 05:30:58 PM
Local TV is calling it champa bay.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 05, 2021, 11:28:17 PM
10% chance of rain, high 60s. Bucs 3.5 dogs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 06, 2021, 03:08:33 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.

But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 06, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.

But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.

Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 06, 2021, 10:12:14 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.

But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.

Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.

Pretty stupid to make such a claim.

Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!

You are a mockery of your former self.

Quote
Reid, who was scheduled to leave with the Chiefs on Saturday for Super Bowl LV against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is not expected to travel to Tampa, Florida, a source told ESPN.
...
The officer statement said Reid complained of stomach pains. A source told ESPN's Dianna Russini that Reid is in the hospital with undisclosed injuries and could be there for days.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 06, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
early line in SB is KC -3

seems a little light off of todays game

Chiefs looked like the best team of the 4 today

line had held at KC-3 since it opened

although to get -3 requires a -115 to -120 wager.

thought it would moved a little north-see what happens tomorrow

still trying to divine the game 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 06, 2021, 05:04:18 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.

But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.

Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.

Pretty stupid to make such a claim.

Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!

You are a mockery of your former self.
No, this is who he has always been.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 06, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Tickets to first super bowl in 1967, $12.00.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 06, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
41-24 CHIEFS

Signing up for the FanDuel 55-1 promotion

5 bucks gets us 275 in bets on credit if Chiefs (or if you bet Bucs) win the game outright

Hopefully get something going for little investment.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 06, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
Congratulations to Charles Woodson for his election  to the pro football Hall of Fame.
He becomes just the tenth Heisman Trophy winner in the Pro Hall.
He is one of the best football players I ever saw in person, albeit only as a college player.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 07, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
The rolling announcement of inductees took place over a two-hour window. Below are the names of the Class of 2021:

Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Calvin Johnson
Drew Pearson
Alan Faneca
Bill Nunn
John Lynch
Tom Flores
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 07, 2021, 11:14:04 AM
Who is the only NFL Quarterback to start a Super Bowl on teams from both the NFC and the AFC?
He went 1-1.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 07, 2021, 11:18:07 AM
That’s Craig Morton for Cowboys and Broncos.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:22:23 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

I hope the kid in critical condition is okay and, really, that is the most important thing.

But I cannot believe that this will have no impact on Andy Reid and, to a lesser extent, the players who work with Britt Reid.

Wow. Pretty low using a tragedy to try and divine the outcome of a game.

Pretty stupid to make such a claim.

Are you claiming that it won't have an impact?!

You are a mockery of your former self.
No, this is who he has always been.

This is where Larry would say "go fuck your mother!"

But my white privilege doesn't extend to such abuse.

So, for you I say, just stay on the sidelines, counselor.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Congratulations to Charles Woodson for his election  to the pro football Hall of Fame.
He becomes just the tenth Heisman Trophy winner in the Pro Hall.
He is one of the best football players I ever saw in person, albeit only as a college player.

So, you played college football? I guess that explains your head injury.


 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 01:23:32 PM
The rolling announcement of inductees took place over a two-hour window. Below are the names of the Class of 2021:

Peyton Manning
Charles Woodson
Calvin Johnson
Drew Pearson
Alan Faneca
Bill Nunn
John Lynch
Tom Flores

Sweet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 03:11:46 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1566619446870562&id=100005675657319&set=gm.931866780916223&source=48
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Yo-ho-ho

and a bottle of TB12 electrolyte-infused designer water

GO Bucs!

run the ball, control the clock, nickel and dime 'em, harass Mahomes, get a couple of punts and maybe a turnover or two

and maybe

Bucs 34

Chiefs 30
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 07, 2021, 07:15:36 PM
Anyway, by starting his 10 th pro football championship game Tom Brady ties the record held by Otto Graham,  who needed about half as many years to do it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 07:42:43 PM
Didnt see one UNDER pick today

I do think if it is 10-10 at half the over still plays.

Honey Badger checks in......negated - on likely a poor call

Looked ticky-tacky vs Ward
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 07:44:51 PM
It'll likely change but TB looking reluctant to throw deep
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 07:46:39 PM
Now the fucking chick ref gets involved

Jeez - disgusting
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 07:51:28 PM
Wow. These refs aren't even letting them play. Terrible display if officiating.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Thats a DPI on the Kelce catch. 

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 08:12:46 PM
Uncatchae ball. Guy trips, falls, unintentional contact. They call PI to give Tampa the ball in the red zone

Horrible.

And now another flag.
To give them the ball on the 1.


FIXED.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 08:18:27 PM
Didnt see one UNDER pick today

I do think if it is 10-10 at half the over still plays.

Honey Badger checks in......negated - on likely a poor call

Looked ticky-tacky vs Ward

Cowher had the Bucs 24-20, only under I saw.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 07, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
The Trumpettes are out in farce here.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 07, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
rout for the bucs at halftime. Why is this assclown doing halftime? weekend really! No gorgeous ladies with costume malfunctions,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 08:44:55 PM
I guess "Up with People" was booked.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
Kelce mauled again by 54
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 07, 2021, 08:54:28 PM
Now the fucking chick ref gets involved

Jeez - disgusting
That was my response. But I suspect about different things.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 09:01:26 PM
According to

@EliasSports

The Buccaneers’ 6 first downs via penalty are already the most for a team in a #SuperBowl



The previous record was 4, done by 8 teams.

And they called a penalty on The Weeknd at halftime. Too many aliens on the field.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
93 cheap shot on Mahomes - no call
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 09:12:11 PM
Another Asterisk event.

So far the MVP is Carl Cheffers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:16 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on February 07, 2021, 09:18:44 PM
NFC forever!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 09:20:36 PM
NFC forever!

For tonight

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 09:29:08 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on February 07, 2021, 09:30:01 PM
LOL can these receivers catch?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
Buc's D is crushing it tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

I've enjoyed it.

Though it was far more lopsided that I divined.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 09:42:03 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

yes

TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 09:44:36 PM
Thank Buffalo for that offensive line of KC.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 09:45:57 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

yes

TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.

Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 07, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
Two replacement OTs more than refs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 09:49:09 PM
Missed another one
Hill makes the catch while being MAULED - and they move it back ten on O holding

If he drops it is it a DPI?  Then call it anyway
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 09:55:05 PM
Bucs crushed the Chiefs

JUST CRUSHED
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 07, 2021, 09:58:42 PM
In another week or so Brady and Trump(plus families) can celebrate privately and Nancy Armour can go fuck herself.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 10:01:30 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

yes

TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.

Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.

It was bad - no doubt
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 10:04:28 PM
Even the Pros agree:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/super-bowl-2021-are-refs-screwing-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-against-tom-bradys-buccaneers.html%3foutputType=amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/super-bowl-2021-are-refs-screwing-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-against-tom-bradys-buccaneers.html%3foutputType=amp)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 10:12:11 PM
DEE FENSE was immense

totally crushed the the baby goat

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 10:13:07 PM
GOAT7
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
DEE FENSE was immense

totally crushed the the baby goat

LMAO

Try not to display your ignorance.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 10:18:49 PM
DEE FENSE was immense

totally crushed the the baby goat

LMAO

Try not to display your ignorance.

LMAO

Bucs dominated that game beginning to end.

KC made one play all night when they stopped the Bucs at the goal line.

Otherwise it would have been worse.

KC got fucked all night and will deliver a beautful baby goat in about 9 months

HEH

dry your tears troll.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 07, 2021, 10:37:21 PM
As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.

It's amazing.

I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
Terrible game. Shows what happens when you have a decimated offensive line. Mahomes took a real beating. Officials were awful.---Mike Francesa


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 10:40:12 PM
As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.

It's amazing.

I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.

Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 10:45:08 PM
As the penalties in the first half mounted against the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl 55 the Internet, never full of conspiracy theories, ever, started the inevitable speculation that game officials wanted Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady to win.

There's no conspiracy. There's no Commissioner Roger Goodell hitting a button that connected directly to the cerebral cortex of the refs that caused them to punish the Chiefs. It was none of that. It was a normal NFL problem that's been one for years.

The inconsistency of NFL officiating is the issue. One week, such as the NFC Championship game between the Buccaneers and Packers, the officials let them basically clobber each other. It was UFC fight in that game.

Then, a week later, the rules seem to change. Things are called much tighter. This is a weekly thing in the NFL and has long been a problem. The issue just gets magnified because it's the Super Bowl.

Tampa Bay's 31-9 victory over Kansas City has numerous storylines but make no mistake, the officiating, especially in the first half, is one of the biggest because of how small the refs were.

Several key first half sequences changed the course of the game and will be discussed for years.






surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/02/07/super-bowl-referees-officiating-terrible-but-no-conspiracy/4431555001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/02/07/super-bowl-referees-officiating-terrible-but-no-conspiracy/4431555001/)
I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

yes

TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.

Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.

LET THEM PLAY. It's all we want.

This game has a HUGE *
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 10:48:30 PM
This game will probably be he one that gets the NFL to change the SuperBowl MVP Award to the Brady Trophy.

That is, if he ever retires.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 07, 2021, 11:02:21 PM
As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.

It's amazing.

I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.

Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.

My parents pretty much thought I was a mistake for decades, asshole, and weren't subtle about it.

But you? You only admit some of your mistakes. Better than Kid, who admits next to none. Or Ward, who can't admit a misspelled word.

I admit mistakes, too, Ham. Your personal attacks went over the line. If you could admit that, it would be a good start.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 07, 2021, 11:04:15 PM
This game will probably be he one that gets the NFL to change the SuperBowl MVP Award to the Brady Trophy.

That is, if he ever retires.

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/147955319_1566619450203895_4660294093711520587_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=-MuQYLg3hdcAX8c9-gr&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=e9c90ce072f91158d3e7439f799dfd5d&oe=6047140E)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
The Super Bowl 55 MVP: (https://davihundotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/nfl_penalty_flag.png)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 11:09:26 PM
By right it is 10-6 at half

Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime?  We do not know.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:10:35 PM
As one of the folks in the ref beef article observed, KC returned the favor and made significant mistakes. And many of the calls were just dead on, but oddly enough, not a single Ref's call all night was correct if it wasn't on TB, to Kid and Ham.

It's amazing.

I am sure Pat Toomey would have helped the Chiefs if he were alive and played football. Alive, as he is, not so much.

Unlike your parents, josh, I admit my mistakes. Run along and protect little Larry.

My parents pretty much thought I was a mistake for decades, asshole, and weren't subtle about it.

But you? You only admit some of your mistakes. Better than Kid, who admits next to none. Or Ward, who can't admit a misspelled word.

I admit mistakes, too, Ham. Your personal attacks went over the line. If you could admit that, it would be a good start.

Uh-huh, sure, Josh.

No personal attacks, josh. Just stated facts.

Not my fault that some folks have such thin skin. (Is it okay if I say "skin", or does that make me a racist?)

Everyone knows how unevenly you pass judgement. Everyone but you.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:12:47 PM
By right it is 10-6 at half

Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime?  We do not know.

There's that. And those terrible calls led to a lead that afforded a different game going forward. Anyone who knows football understands their impact.

We know, too, that Aaron Rodgers wants to know what PI really is.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 11:19:40 PM
By right it is 10-6 at half

Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime?  We do not know.

So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?

This game was a blow-out.

Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 07, 2021, 11:20:01 PM
surprised there are so many Chief fans among the G-Men-NFC  loyalists

I just wanted to see a good game.

But the refs destroyed that.

Examples abound.

Among the worst SBs ever.

yes

TB isnt to blame but the game should have been closer.

Agree. This game will be remembered for the refs.
By objective football fans.

It was bad - no doubt

What the fuck were you watching.?
Kansas City score 9 measley points.
9
No touchdowns
That’s bad offense
Or better defense.
Put on some big boy pants and pay homage to the better team.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2021, 11:26:52 PM
By right it is 10-6 at half

Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime?  We do not know.

So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?

This game was a blow-out.

Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.

Yeah, I hear you on the clock management - once they went to 2 minute warning on first down they should have been running the ball (bit TB likely calls time outs then, dont they?) And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half.  I was cooking.  May go back and get a look

Bothersome?  The offsides on the FG was a joke.  That started the ball rolling.  Suh getting away with a hit to Mahomes head - and multiple DPI not called on TB factored - this all long before the boars knew Chiefs had to throw and pinned their ears back in dominant fashion
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 07, 2021, 11:36:16 PM
No personal attacks, josh. Just stated facts.

No, dipshit. Your attack on his late wife was over the top and had nothing to do with "stated facts."

Everyone knows how unevenly you pass judgement. Everyone but you.

Ham, if I were who you think I am, as soon as you showed your face here again, after I banned you last time, I would have blocked you again.

I allowed you to stay.

You seem intent on proving that was a mistake.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2021, 11:41:16 PM
By right it is 10-6 at half

Does the game then develop a different feel after halftime?  We do not know.

So by right the Chief's stop at the goal line was good D, and results in no points for the Bucs, but the Chiefs poor clock management and poor D at the end of the half and the two PI flags, shouldn't count?

This game was a blow-out.

Rough break on that $5 55-1 bet.

Yeah, I hear you on the clock management - once they went to 2 minute warning on first down they should have been running the ball (bit TB likely calls time outs then, dont they?) And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half.  I was cooking.  May go back and get a look

Bothersome?  The offsides on the FG was a joke.  That started the ball rolling.  Suh getting away with a hit to Mahomes head - and multiple DPI not called on TB factored - this all long before the boars knew Chiefs had to throw and pinned their ears back in dominant fashion

Anyone with half a brain understood who was the far better team tonight. And it wasn't close, and flags had little to do with the outcome of the game.
Mahomes played like crap, behind a make-shift O-line and was running for his life half the game. And Brady ran the ball early and then mostly nickel and dimedand picked apart the Chiefs. Nothing spectacular but he had the plan to beat the champs.

The Bucs won this game on the front lines and literally beat the shit out of the Chiefs

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 08, 2021, 02:16:58 AM
 Cry-Cry-Cry😢😂😢😂😢😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 08, 2021, 02:18:57 AM
Bucs crushed the Chiefs

JUST CRUSHED
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 08, 2021, 06:37:20 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/08/super-bowl-lv-55-takeaways-bucs-back-up-trash-talk-bowles-brady-shine-officiating-struggle

Quote
I Mean, This Was a Butt Kicking: The officiating was problematic in the first half, but it wouldn’t have mattered in the end. The Bucs outplayed and, especially, outcoached the Chiefs in every way imaginable.
...
The Bucs Will Take Those Points at the End of the First Half: There were some questionable calls in the first half, but the 34-yard pass interference penalty on Bashaud Breeland was not one of them. The Chiefs used a time out after stuffing Leonard Fournette on the first play of that drive, and another after giving up eight yards on second down, and the Bucs made them pay for it in the form of seven points heading into halftime.
...
Andy Reid, Just … Didn’t Do Anything: He didn’t get his tackles help, he didn’t put Patrick Mahomes on the move, the Chiefs barely did any chip-blocking, and they seemed shocked that the Bucs were focused on taking away Tyreek Hill. This is a tape to burn for the Chiefs players, but probably for the coaching staff too. What did they do for two weeks?

Or, as BA put it, back when they signed Tom Brady:
Quote
Quote
“He is a proven winner who will provide the leadership, accountability and work ethic necessary to lead us to our goal of winning another championship,” head coach Bruce Arians said when Brady signed with Tampa Bay last March.

Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 08, 2021, 08:35:29 AM
I do wonder what Satan will be demanding from Tom Brady---beyond his soul, of course.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 08, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Bowles called an amazing game again defended Hill and held the chefs touchdownless. Just a failure as a HC maybe it was just the Jets management.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2021, 09:15:54 AM
KC certainly could have used some better punting.  That guy was shaky as hell.

The unnecessary roughness penalty early 2Q was a nothing cheapie.
But Chiefs were sloppy and committed fouls.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2021, 11:58:07 AM
I do wonder what Satan will be demanding from Tom Brady---beyond his soul, of course.

A signed game jersey and a selfie from Giselle.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2021, 12:01:00 PM
and for those who still for whatever reason don't understand the value of TB12, and unfortunately was glossed over last night, the scene before the half where Brady was screaming at the sidelines to shove the sub package, he liked what he had  on the field, was a microcosm of the command the guy has on a game. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 08, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Do your knees hurt, banks?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 08, 2021, 12:31:37 PM

 And I didnt see the Bucs drive that ended the half.  I was cooking.

What is your favorite method for cooking crow?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2021, 12:39:48 PM
Do your knees hurt, banks?

Nope not more than usual, but thanks for asking.

How your butt,?

I suspect it must ache something fierce after the pounding its taken over the years.

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: barton on February 08, 2021, 04:31:29 PM
"Before anyone gives Tom Brady a trophy, don’t forget that the Chiefs have the right to exhaust every legal avenue to challenge the result. It would be irresponsible to congratulate the Buccaneers so early. Many many fans are upset. Wouldn’t want them to lose trust."


https://twitter.com/NubomTrk/status/1358614625881886722

(tweet may be gone by now)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 08, 2021, 05:21:28 PM
Do your knees hurt, banks?

Nope not more than usual, but thanks for asking.

How your butt,?

I suspect it must ache something fierce after the pounding its taken over the years.

LMAO
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
post-season accounting

7-6 ATS (53.8%)

10-3 straight winners

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on February 08, 2021, 10:38:29 PM
"Before anyone gives Tom Brady a trophy, don’t forget that the Chiefs have the right to exhaust every legal avenue to challenge the result. It would be irresponsible to congratulate the Buccaneers so early. Many many fans are upset. Wouldn’t want them to lose trust."


https://twitter.com/NubomTrk/status/1358614625881886722

(tweet may be gone by now)


(https://preview.redd.it/eeccewy376g61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=96ad836965c6cccadbfea4c4193238244d4fc7b3)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2021, 11:27:10 AM
RIP Marty Schottenheimer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2021, 12:10:44 PM
Marty had 100 more wins than Hall of Famer Tom Flores, set off by 49 more losses. Winning Super Bowls means a lot to voters. Marty S has the most wins of any coach who did not coach in Championship game -.though he came a drive and a fumble away from it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 09, 2021, 12:49:55 PM
Schottenheimer's first and only season with the Washington team started with the team going 0-5 and finishing 8-8.  He was then fired.

Another Washington coach started 0-5 in his first season and had his team rally to finish 8-8.  That coach wasn't fired.  His name was Joe Gibbs and he won the Super Bowl in his second season.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 09, 2021, 12:51:23 PM
Ratings are in and were somewhat down, attributed to the lack of competitiveness in the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 12:55:42 PM
Marty had 100 more wins than Hall of Famer Tom Flores, set off by 49 more losses. Winning Super Bowls means a lot to voters. Marty S has the most wins of any coach who did not coach in Championship game -.though he came a drive and a fumble away from it.

Well... his name is Schottenheimer. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 09, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
Ratings are in and were somewhat down, attributed to the lack of competitiveness in the game.
Somewhat down?
Worst TV ratings since 1969
Least watched since 2006.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/super-bowl-ratings-historical-viewership-chart-cbs-nbc-fox-abc/
 (https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/super-bowl-ratings-historical-viewership-chart-cbs-nbc-fox-abc/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 12, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
Not too many SB parties around. Folks staying home.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 12, 2021, 06:44:14 PM
Not too many SB parties around. Folks staying home.
You may be looking for one a wee bit late.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 14, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
post-season accounting

7-6 ATS (53.8%)

10-3 straight winners

didn't see kid report his #s for the post-season.

He must be in hiding from Vinny and Rocco

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2021, 10:31:50 AM
Happy GOAT Day!

Today is the birthday of both the greatest football player of all time and the greatest basketball player of all time. Jim Brown is 85 today.

It has been over 50 years since the last time he threw a woman off a balcony, so there is that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 17, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
He might have been the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2021, 11:22:37 AM
He might have been the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well.
Though I have not looked it up, I am confident he is the only person in both the pro football hall of fame and the lacrosse hall of fame.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
Happy GOAT Day!

Today is the birthday of both the greatest football player of all time and the greatest basketball player of all time. Jim Brown is 85 today.

It has been over 50 years since the last time he threw a woman off a balcony, so there is that.

Happy birthday to Mr Brown.

I saw him play for the Browns several times, but never saw him play lacrosse, the sport he was reportedly really good at.

And I was unaware he was the greatest basketball player of all time, or that he had a claim on the title. My guy for that title, a Mr. Russell, celebrated his 87th a few days ago.

Of all his great runs, and he had a lot, I always thought Brown's most impressive was his roof-top hand grenade RPO in Dirty Dozen, blowing up the German High Command as they were getting drunk and laid.

If not for Brown, we'd likely be speaking German today and Red would be Haupt Moderator here in Elba!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2021, 12:24:06 PM
Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2021, 12:43:08 PM
Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.

and happy birthday to MJ too.

He was a nice player, took him a few years to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years. 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 17, 2021, 01:38:06 PM

Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.

and happy birthday to MJ too.

He was a nice player, took him a SCOTTIE PIPPEN to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.


- fixed
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2021, 02:20:41 PM

Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.

and happy birthday to MJ too.

He was a nice player, took him a SCOTTIE PIPPEN to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.


- fixed

kid you couldn't fix a PBnJ sandwich if spotted 2 pieces of bread, one covered with PB and one covered with J.

it took MJ 4 year to win once he he hooked up with Pippen

and kid Rocco and Vinny are looking for you and they seemed pissed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 17, 2021, 02:39:01 PM
1-9 in playoffs pre-Pippen

23-22 first three years with Pippen.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2021, 03:24:48 PM
1-9 in playoffs pre-Pippen

23-22 first three years with Pippen.

Point still stands-it took MJ 7 years to win a championship, after getting his ass kicked by the Celts and Pistons for the first 6 years of his career.

Its surprisng how many people don't know this about MJ. 

Kid if you need help with the PBnJ-you should probably do it in another forum

Rocco and Vinny are steamed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2021, 03:32:15 PM

Oh... it is also Jordan's birthday. Sorry. MJ never tossed a girlfriend off a balcony or attacked one with a shovel.

and happy birthday to MJ too.

He was a nice player, took him a CRAIG EHLO to find his footing and finally get past the several teams who had stymied him in his early years.


- fixed
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 17, 2021, 10:58:53 PM
Brown is quoted as having said, "I'd rather play lacrosse six days a week and football on the seventh."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 18, 2021, 04:49:19 PM
Heh

https://www.change.org/p/tom-brady-tom-brady-should-pay-back-his-small-business-loan (https://www.change.org/p/tom-brady-tom-brady-should-pay-back-his-small-business-loan)


Heh


Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 18, 2021, 05:05:12 PM
Carson Wentz to Indiana: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Kam on February 18, 2021, 06:54:12 PM
Carson Wentz to Indiana: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-to-colts-for-multiple-draft-picks-164914417.html)

The Eagles traded Carson Wentz to the Colts on Thursday for a 2021 third-round pick (No. 85) and a conditional 2022 second-round pick, according to multiple reports.

The 2022 pick would become a first-round selection if Wentz plays in 75 percent of the offensive snaps next season, or if he plays 70 percent of the snaps and the Colts make the playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 23, 2021, 04:07:19 PM
https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/02/nfl-draft-2021-growing-buzz-jets-will-keep-sam-darnold-trade-no-2-pick.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 12, 2021, 02:35:50 PM
So much for all that "bad fit from the start" talk

CAM NEWTON re-signs with New England.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 12, 2021, 11:26:38 PM
So much for all that "bad fit from the start" talk

CAM NEWTON re-signs with New England.

Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
 
He had a bad year. 

Btw, as a big Cam fan, who had high expecations for the fit, did you ever settle up your losing over bet on the Pats last year.

A fool and his money...



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 11:50:40 AM
Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
 
He had a bad year.


He hadnt much help

But anhow....

pro sports is always about projecting the next year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 12:00:37 PM
A look at the stats......

Newton's INT rate was at his career norm

His TD pass rate was off by 50%

But then again - unlike TB and AR, Cam likes to run them in himself (12 rushing TD to 8 passing)

QB rate?5.8.

In a SHIT year, as yous ay -

82.9. off his career 85.8

Yes - 28th in the league - but this rating doesnt include the rushing ability.   (7th time over 500 rush yards, 3rd time with 10+ rushing TD)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 12:03:21 PM
Newton's pressure percentage was 26%

Brady was at 18.1 and 18.5 the prior two years.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2021, 12:19:26 PM
Most Pats fans are not happy with Cam's 1-year incentive laden deal, as most watched him play last year.
 
He had a bad year.


He hadnt much help

But anhow....

pro sports is always about projecting the next year.

Pats were a mess last year and projected to look that way.

I figured he was not the answer.

Here's a heads up kid-they're not looking any better from my vantage point
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 02:15:12 PM
I figured he was not the answer.


The answer to what?

QB needs to lead.  I think Cam did that - and Patriots have rewarded him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2021, 02:45:09 PM
I figured he was not the answer.


The answer to what?

QB needs to lead.  I think Cam did that - and Patriots have rewarded him.

The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.

And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.

You didn't and if you're honest, your miscalculation on that one poor decision cost you somewhere around $160-180,

a fool and their money...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 03:02:14 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.


yeah...

that statement on a forum really cost me

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 03:10:01 PM
Maybe 2021 will prove to be a season where Patriots can play with the team they have assembled.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 03:19:34 PM
And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.


yeah...

that statement on a forum really cost me

heh

I did start dabbling again, thanks for the concern

Currently -15 bucks betting hoops

heh - dont think I will crash any time soon.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2021, 03:24:12 PM
And I told you why last year and advised you to stay away from the Pats and the over.


yeah...

that statement on a forum really cost me

heh

I did start dabbling again, thanks for the concern

Currently -15 bucks betting hoops

heh - dont think I will crash any time soon.

I hope you paid off Vinny and Rocco, they were pissed.

Good news is the Biden ARP will give your bankroll a boost.

HEH
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 13, 2021, 05:36:05 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.

It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.

He couldn't.

It appears BB is doubling down.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 13, 2021, 08:13:59 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.

It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.

He couldn't.

It appears BB is doubling down.

It's not like Brady did any better!

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 09:44:19 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.

It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.

He couldn't.

It appears BB is doubling down.

Brady at 26% pressure and a mediocre banged up supporting cast?  I'd like to see it.

But sure.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 09:51:24 PM
https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/12/tom-brady-cam-newton-will-make-exciting-returns-to-familiar-stadiums-in-2021/

Cam back to Carolina while TB comes to Foxboro to battle BB (if healthy)

Meanwhile Brady and the Bucs in shenanigans to save 19 mil in cap space for '21-'22
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
The answer to who would be a good QB for the Pats last year.
He wasn't.


Based on what?

Who would have been better?
Tom Brady.

It was as if BB wanted to prove in Brady's absence, he could take any QB and win.

He couldn't.

It appears BB is doubling down.

Brady at 26% pressure and a mediocre banged up supporting cast?  I'd like to see it.

But sure.

kid thinks Brady has something to prove.

43YO

new team
new coach
limited practices (covid)
no exhibition games
works through the challenges
beats Brees, Rodgers on the road
leads his team to his 10th SB
5th in the past 7 years
beats Mahomes
wins his 7th championship

GOAT

kid needs proof

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 14, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
kid thinks Brady has something to prove.

heh

nothing could be further from the truth

I have always been a bigger fan of Brady than even you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 14, 2021, 04:33:55 PM
kid thinks Brady has something to prove.

heh

nothing could be further from the truth

I have always been a bigger fan of Brady than even you.

How do you prove something like that? Especially since I know you have been both an Eagles fan and a Pats fan, and a Steelers fan, as well as a Bosox and Mets fan.

But even putting that aside, how would you prove you were a "bigger fan of" anyone or any team than another fan?

Are you the Brady Fan of All Brady Fans? If not, who is? How did they achieve this status? Is their status threatened by new, emerging Brady fans?

The only Bradys I've ever been a fan of are: Marcia Brady, who is fictitious, and James Brady, who is a far more admirable and honorable individual than Tom Brady could ever hope to be.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 14, 2021, 04:57:37 PM
I do not recall kid ever being a Pats fan, nor a TB12 fan.

As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 14, 2021, 05:27:00 PM
I do not recall kid ever being a Pats fan, nor a TB12 fan.

As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.

I know for sure he was big into the Eagles---something I never was, for sure!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 14, 2021, 05:34:28 PM
How can you be a Giants fan and a Iggles fan, those fan bases generally hate each other.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 14, 2021, 07:13:02 PM
How can you be a Giants fan and a Iggles fan, those fan bases generally hate each other.

Ask kid. I wouldn't know. It'd be like a Sox/Yankee fan.

I still want to know how kid knows he's a bigger Brady fan than you.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 14, 2021, 08:24:50 PM
As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.


Sure - that's fairly accurate

Still a huge Brady fan - you might recall I favor Michigan.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 14, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
As far as I know kid's a Giant and Steeler fan and usually whoever was playing against the Pats.


Sure - that's fairly accurate

Still a huge Brady fan - you might recall I favor Michigan.

I vaguely remember when Brady left the Pats for Tampa you said something like, "(paraphrase) "now you could see rooting for him".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2021, 03:07:21 PM
And?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2021, 03:42:39 PM
And?

And

There is nothing in my memory about you expressing much admiration about Brady.

For you to suggest you've been a fan of Brady for 20 years reminds me of your bullshit about you being a huge Jayson Tatum fan after you spent his rookie season dumping on him, despite the obvious that he was a stud and likely all-star in the making.

Kid no one in Elba beleives your bullshit.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2021, 03:46:03 PM
Pats open wallet and go on spending spree as NFL FA market is open.

Not typical of BB, he knows he's got to rebuild and deliver after a shit last year and a pretty empty cubbard after years of eh drafts. .
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2021, 05:00:40 PM
Patriots are a double digit win team next year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2021, 05:24:37 PM
Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 15, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
Now if only I can get yahoo to stop auto drafting him for me.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
I recall making you a pretty nice offer
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2021, 10:12:47 PM
Corey Davis - nice pickup for JETS JETS JETS

Agholor to Patriots - who were/are also in on Bourne
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 15, 2021, 10:23:15 PM
Browns pick up an actual professional safety.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on March 19, 2021, 06:28:35 PM
Good to see Steelers saying goodbye to JuJu
JuJu signs with Steelers,priceless
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on March 30, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
The Patriots host Tampa Bay on the 2021 schedule
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PM
Julian Edelman's contract terminated, as her can't pass physical.

Retirement expected.

Just a great player and so much fun to watch.

One of my favorite players.

Dude made big plays

Thanks Jules!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 13, 2021, 05:02:37 PM
Julian Edelman's contract terminated, as her can't pass physical.

Retirement expected.

Just a great player and so much fun to watch.

One of my favorite players.

Dude made big plays

Thanks Jules!


PED user. Not a HOFer. Convicted cheater.

Bye-bye, Jules.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 13, 2021, 07:51:06 PM
Jules-not a HoFer-who cares

Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.

Jules was special and a blast to watch.

Football fans took a loss with his retirement
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2021, 08:39:59 PM
You SHOULD be proud when a hard working organizational guy retires

Bells and whistles not needed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 13, 2021, 10:20:03 PM
Jules-not a HoFer-who cares

Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.

Jules was special and a blast to watch. *

Football fans took a loss with his retirement

*PEDs.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 13, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
Jules-not a HoFer-who cares

Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.

Jules was special and a blast to watch. *

Football fans took a loss with his retirement

*PEDs**.

** BFD

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 13, 2021, 10:32:25 PM
Jules-not a HoFer-who cares

Pound for pound, inch for inch Jules played with more heart, enthusiasm determination and joy for the game than most any NFL player.

Jules was special and a blast to watch. *

Football fans took a loss with his retirement

*PEDs**.

** BFD

Part of the Patriot "legacy".

Cheaters gonna cheat.

As long as you support that tradition, you have no right to complain about any other team or its players.

Outside New England, Edelman is a known cheater who caught passes from another known cheater.

The End.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 13, 2021, 10:45:21 PM
GO PATS!


Utley you are on a a very short list of Elbanese who have absolutely no right to pontificate about anything.

THE END

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2021, 06:29:12 PM
Trask!!!
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/patriots-nfl-draft-rumors-new-england-doing-a-lot-of-homework-on-florida-qb-kyle-trask/178l453pgaxzd1l4t8o485b0o8
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 26, 2021, 04:28:01 PM
This lack of decision will not protect football coaches at all levels or their institutions, because it is not a decision in the sense of setting precedent, but just a denial of cert.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2941292-wwe-concussion-brain-damage-lawsuit-wont-be-heard-by-supreme-court

I think it makes sense, both the lower court decisions and the choice to not hear it, but I think the concussion issue is going to have folks banging their heads on it for a good while yet.

And if I were a Pop Warner or PeeWee coach, league official, or sponsor, I would get out of the industry so fast! At least with NFL and CFL, there is pretension of consenting adults doing stupid things together for tons of money.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rogers looking to get dealt tonight

Patriots and Jets loom
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 07:34:39 PM
Kiper has Patriots dealing up to 7 for Trey Lance

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31345391/nfl-mock-draft-2021-mel-kiper-final-predictions-top-32-picks-including-surprise-quarterback-fits-three-trades
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 08:46:09 PM
Well...

so much for that

Lance to San Fran at 3.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 09:42:13 PM
Giants get fucked, then make an excellent trade
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 10:06:54 PM
JETS move up ahead of Patriots

Love this

(but Pats still get their QB if they want Jones/whoever)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 11:20:39 PM
Happy for Jets and Giants.  And Steelers nailed it.

Not even upset Patriots seemed to do well - heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2021, 11:54:18 PM
Pats got the bad-body type QB they seemed to have had some success with in the past.

Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.

Hopefully Saban steered his buddy true. 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on April 30, 2021, 12:15:47 AM
USC caught jets twice with overrated system QBs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 30, 2021, 10:04:43 AM
Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.


Pretty sure this is why

a)  scouts do not just look at highlight reels

and

b)  they have pro days
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2021, 11:17:56 AM
Tua, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, the problem with Bama QBs is the program is so stocked its hard for the QB not to look NFL ready.


Pretty sure this is why

a)  scouts do not just look at highlight reels

and

b)  they have pro days

The point was that Bama had so much extraordinary talent at the skill positions, and a lot of it got drafted last night, that it can muddy how good a college QB is.

And there is a fair amount of misses in scouting college QBs, as some kids can never make the leap and some kids develop late.

As to Mac Jones, I like the pic,as the book seems to be he's smart, fast instincts-reads, and they'll have time to develop him as he gets stronger and matures. And he's a better L-T answer than Cam
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
USC caught jets twice with overrated system QBs.

USC QBs fool a lot of people.

I still think Darnold can be good, and I'm a huge USC QB skeptic.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 30, 2021, 12:51:23 PM
Greg Newsome? More like Greg AWESOME!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 30, 2021, 07:21:28 PM
And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
In the words of the old Northwestern student body cheer: That’s alright that's OK, you're going to work for us some day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
And he's got a great education to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
In the words of the old Northwestern student body cheer: That’s alright that's OK, you're going to work for us some day.
At Maryland we used to hear that from UVA students.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 30, 2021, 08:40:08 PM
I am just going with JOK.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 01, 2021, 07:02:16 PM
So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft.  University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.

* Southern
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2021, 12:41:59 PM
So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft.  University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.

* Southern

Duffy and the crew from '66 are incredulous.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 02, 2021, 04:44:49 PM
So now there are only three colleges to have had at least one player taken in each year of the common draft.  University of California*, Florida and Meatchicken. No one picked from MSU this year.

* Southern

Duffy and the crew from '66 are incredulous.
Still responsible for 4 of the first 8 choices of the common draft, including Bubba Smith and Clint Jones 1 and 2.
Title: Rest in peace, Colt Brennan
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 14, 2021, 09:56:25 AM
Another sad CTE case

https://apnews.com/article/colt-brennan-hawaii-entertainment-college-football-nfl-6edfa628d269c9e1194d93a68c0527f6

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921
Title: Re: Rest in peace, Colt Brennan
Post by: josh on May 14, 2021, 10:03:20 AM
Another sad CTE case

https://apnews.com/article/colt-brennan-hawaii-entertainment-college-football-nfl-6edfa628d269c9e1194d93a68c0527f6

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370921

“What a great leader he was on and off the field.“

Maybe it's time we find another way for these young leaders to develop and show their leadership, rather than having their lives destroyed by concussions.

I think there is little evidence that the teens who play competitive football have the ability to evaluate the risks. And there is a ton of evidence that the adults who are ostensibly responsible for them have no willingness to protect the kids.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 14, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
At minimum - a pamphlet handout on CTE to all youth league/HS/collegiate football players' and/or parents is in order.  So many in the dark

I am convinced soccer players are at risk as well.  Credit to Cindy Parlow (great US Olympian) for her work in this area - getting heading of the ball restricted or forbidden at many of the youth levels/leagues.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 14, 2021, 04:38:48 PM
At minimum - a pamphlet handout on CTE to all youth league/HS/collegiate football players' and/or parents is in order.  So many in the dark

I am convinced soccer players are at risk as well.  Credit to Cindy Parlow (great US Olympian) for her work in this area - getting heading of the ball restricted or forbidden at many of the youth levels/leagues.

Yes, they certainly are.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 29, 2021, 07:34:25 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-spygate-stench-tainted-victory-new-england-ncna1269020 (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-spygate-stench-tainted-victory-new-england-ncna1269020)

There is a certain stench emanating from Foxborough, Massachusetts — home of the New England Patriots, a team whose onetime National Football League dynasty aroused as much suspicion as awe. A similar odor can be traced to a country club in Palm Beach, Florida, where onetime President Donald Trump now calls home.

That Trump and Patriots owner Robert Kraft have formed a mutual admiration society comes as no surprise. Nor does the credible assertion that America’s 45th president enabled one of the more shameful episodes in the Patriots’ storied history.


Legacy of shame.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2021, 10:08:06 PM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 09:59:14 AM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

Bob Kraft is dirty. Bottom line.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 30, 2021, 11:14:06 AM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2021, 12:19:01 PM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.

I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.

Facts are important.

My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.

It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.

I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.

Facts are important.

My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.

It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.

The piece I posted was an opinion piece.

In the end, the Pats are forever stained, as are the Houston Astros, as a cheats.

Accept it and move on.

Oh, forgot. According to your pal Stevie from AZ, you never move on.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2021, 02:10:11 PM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.

I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.

Facts are important.

My retort to Utley ("if there is a story") were TIC, but on target.

It would not shock me that in 2008 a corrupt NYC developer, failed casino owner, reality TV star, and US's biggest deadbeat, who wanted to gain favor with Kraft, told him he had some pull with Spector and would ask for a favor. And it would not surprise me if Trump made a campaign contribution to Spector. Rich people buy influence with pols all the time. Nature of the beast. They call it campaign contributions rather than payola.

The piece I posted was an opinion piece.

In the end, the Pats are forever stained, as are the Houston Astros, as a cheats.

Accept it and move on.

Oh, forgot. According to your pal Stevie from AZ, you never move on.

Heh
I knew it was an opinion piece, as opposed to factual 1st hand reporting.

it was lazy click-bait.

As I tried to explain to my friend boz, facts matter. He just had a hard time applying them rationally. Facts got in the way of his long-held opinion and a fear of offending Elba's oh so self-proclaimed woke knights of social justice.

It is what it is.

IMO those sleepless nights eventually catch up with you, and maybe a nap is in order.

As to moving on, I'm not the one hung up on an old story, who feels compelled to troll about a click-bait article based on a 14 YO story.

I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 03:34:39 PM
I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?

It's just a matter of time before we find out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
I wonder how Brady cheated in Tampa?

It's just a matter of time before we find out.

well given his history and your history, we can all look forward to your fantasy football updates for the next 5-10 years

HEH
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 30, 2021, 03:58:44 PM
Trump with undue influence on a Republican senator.

This is news?

If there is a story its that Spector took a bribe.

Legacy of shame.

You misread the story. He didn't take the offer.

I read about 2/3 of the original ESPN story a few days ago. I stopped reading when it seemed it was all allegation and no facts. I've no idea if Spector took money or not.

Facts are important.

Yes.

The facts are that there is no record of Spector's getting a donation from Trump in the FEC reporting period (1/1/2008-12/31/2010) in question.

Given that that aligns with what the story reported Spector indicated, I suspect it is just true.

It would not have surprised me if it had proven to be false.

It also would not surprise me if Trump made that offer without having discussed it with Kraft, as he has struck me as the sort to try to gain leverage in less than savory ways.

But we have no proof of either conversation's having taken place, only that a donation did not happen, but the senatorial investigation went nowhere, too.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 06:19:26 PM
Here we see two Trump haters working hard to save face, as they are infected by Pats Disease and TB12 Syndrome.

The laughs just keep on coming!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 20, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
BEASLEY!!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/19/us/cole-beasley-nfl-retire-covid-vaccine/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 21, 2021, 07:18:07 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/las-vegas-raiders-defensive-end-carl-nassib-comes-out-as-gay-first-active-nfl-player-220156359.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 21, 2021, 08:56:56 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 21, 2021, 09:22:29 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 21, 2021, 09:34:16 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."

And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.

Who gives a fuck?

It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 10:14:16 AM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if
"if"?
Quote
it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?
Way, way too many people. Both in the locker room and the world at large.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 22, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
Good for Nassib.

Taking 15 years to finally share who he is has to be a great relief for Nassib.

Hopefully his courage will be helpful to others.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 22, 2021, 03:10:01 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)

...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.

Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 04:12:40 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."

And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.

Who gives a fuck?

It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.

False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?

Why didn't he?

And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.

Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 04:15:12 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)

...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.

Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.

For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 04:32:44 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."

And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.

Who gives a fuck?

It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.

False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?

Why didn't he?

And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.

Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.
it is not unknown for people to hide racial, ethnic or religious background, although it is not common. His point is valid. Just because people have the right to be what they are does not mean that there are not antii-semites, racists and homophobes (in ascending order) out there ready to make life hell for you if tbey can. Homophobia may be the last real socially acceptable bigotry - although some are trying to stage a comeback.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 22, 2021, 04:55:16 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)

...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.

Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.

For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.

heh

I was wondering how long until the bait would be taken.

HEH

With 6 SB wins those losses became dealable

The SB 42 loss was a tough one.

As to Eli handling the Pats, he played well enough in low-scoring games. Defense won both those games.

SB 42 was 7-3 Pats going into the 4th qtr. and SB 46 was 17-15 Pats (with G-Men scoring 2 pts off a bogus safety called on Brady)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."

And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.

Who gives a fuck?

It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.

False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?

Why didn't he?

And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.

Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.

Had I written what you wrote, you would have asked me, instead, "Who made you the Sheriff if False Equivalence.?"

You can pretend that nobody cares about whether people are gay or not, Ham. Can't stop you.

But it's pretense.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
I'll note that on multiple occasions, it has mattered that I was Jewish to people I was around.

One occasion, the child sitting at the table wanted to know where my horns were, as he'd been told by his parents that we had them.

Another occasion had a co-worker who felt compelled to explain how attacking the Jews and Israel was wrong and would destroy whomever attacked them, because the Jews were the Chosen people (and would all accept Jesus in the end).

Press conferences are not the only way to come out.

But from Sandy Koufax to Joe Lieberman, folks have been getting public flack for their Jewish beliefs. Nor has it stopped since then.

No, no press conference for Edelman. He didn't mind playing on the Sabbath. OTOH, you seem to have no issue with the presser for Beasley.

Must be your straight privilege speaking.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 05:22:16 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eli-manning-officially-rejoins-giants-in-new-front-office-role-will-have-no-10-jersey-retired-this-season/)

...The Giants announced Monday they've hired the former Super Bowl champion to fill a new role in their front office, with Manning set to contribute to New York's business operations and fan engagement staff before having his No. 10 jersey retired and joining the club's Ring of Honor this fall.

Eli, in sworn deposition, said the #10 jersey was game-worn.

For Pats fans, it will always be DEFLATING to remember how well Eli handled the Pats in Super Bowls.

heh

I was wondering how long until the bait would be taken.

HEH

With 6 SB wins those losses became dealable

The SB 42 loss was a tough one.

As to Eli handling the Pats, he played well enough in low-scoring games. Defense won both those games.

SB 42 was 7-3 Pats going into the 4th qtr. and SB 46 was 17-15 Pats (with G-Men scoring 2 pts off a bogus safety called on Brady)

Super Bowl MVP in both games. yeah, he "played well enough".

LMFAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 05:24:53 PM
Figures you would be more excited about the dolt who would prefer to retire than to be vaccinated than the person who came out of the closet.

"I'd rather die actually living."

What an idiotic statement.

Who made you the Sheriff if Excitement? To each his own.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

I have always been the Sheriff "if" Excitement, Ham. Used to be one of my taglines, though I spelled it "of."

And you're hilarious with your "if it's okay to be gay," since you know full well it is not okay with a huge chunk of this country.

Who gives a fuck?

It's "okay" to be Jewish, too, but that sure doesn't seem to mean that nobody gives a fuck.

False equivalency, Josh. Do you remember Julian Edelman holding a press conference to announce he was a Jew?

Why didn't he?

And thanks for catching the typo. If acceptance means what it means, then there is no need to announce you're gay, or to riff on typos.

Just go be fucking gay, and live with errors that come from tiny keyboards on smartphones.

Had I written what you wrote, you would have asked me, instead, "Who made you the Sheriff if False Equivalence.?"

You can pretend that nobody cares about whether people are gay or not, Ham. Can't stop you.

But it's pretense.

I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.

If you were truly accepting of someone being gay, you wouldn't care either.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 05:41:14 PM
I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.

It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.

And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.

People care.

Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.

They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.

I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 05:47:29 PM
I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.

It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.

And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.

People care.

Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.

They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.

I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.

You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.

It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.

And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.

People care.

Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.

They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.

I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.

You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.
Pedantic? Even if your post said what you now.claim it did and which it didn't,  you still demanded the whole idea of "coming out" as meaningless.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 05:58:35 PM
I'm not saying nobody cares. I'm saying nobody should care. I don't because someone's sexuality has nothing to do with playing the game of football.

As for coming out, if it's okay to be gay, what does it mean to come out? If you're gay, you're gay. Who gives a fuck?

You may have meant to say nobody should care, Ham.

It's not what you said. It's not what your words meant.

And what it has to do with playing football depends on your teammates and coaching staff (and owners and refs and opponents). Again, nobody should care.

People care.

Further, staying away from the microphone leaves a ton of very isolated kids out there, wondering if there can be a place for them in the world. It is more likely to help others than it is to help him.

They care, too, and with good reason in modern America.

I long for the day when it won't be important, but today is not that day.

You know what's okay, josh? It's okay for you to go fuck yourself, you tedious, pedantic twit.

Not my fault you said stuff you now claim not to have meant.

But sure, my fault for being a tedious, pedantic twit.

Whatever you say, Ham.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 22, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
Is "pedantic" worse than "supercilious"?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 23, 2021, 08:11:47 AM
Is "pedantic" worse than "supercilious"?

Peanut gallery still working for you, douchebag?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 23, 2021, 08:21:54 AM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 23, 2021, 10:29:10 AM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?

From Ham?

They're all the same: a declaration that he has no substantive response.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 23, 2021, 04:57:11 PM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?

You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2021, 05:03:52 PM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?

You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
"Get fresh air" says the man with his head permanently implanted up his own ass.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 23, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?

You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
Hey, dumbass. For a guy who seems to pride himself on a tell it like it is, no bullshit approach, you make up a lot of lies about people.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 23, 2021, 05:20:55 PM
Is "douchebag" worse than "supercilious" or "pedantic"?

You really should spend less time in Pikesville. Get out a little bit. See the countryside. Breathe some fresh air. It could do you some good.
Hey, dumbass. For a guy who seems to pride himself on a tell it like it is, no bullshit approach, you make up a lot of lies about people.

Where's the lie, Yank?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 23, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 28, 2021, 10:30:15 AM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 30, 2021, 05:53:12 PM
Lie, lie, lie.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 30, 2021, 06:32:30 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...

So, let me make sure I understand...

You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 07:50:02 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...

So, let me make sure I understand...

You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?

Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board. 



Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.

Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 30, 2021, 08:02:49 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...

So, let me make sure I understand...

You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?

Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board. 



Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.

Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.

Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.

You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.

Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 30, 2021, 08:04:50 PM
“Swats” are fine,  shithead. Lies aren’t. I’ll be happy to discuss it off the Board though. You’re welcome to message me.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 13, 2021, 03:21:48 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...

So, let me make sure I understand...

You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?

Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board. 



Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.

Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.

Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.

You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.

Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.

Been run. Never ran.

GFY.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 03:35:32 PM
Hey Fuckhead.  Despite your apparent belief that mentioning "Pikesville" somehow demonstrates your knowledge of Baltimore ("I can find you anywhere, Yankguy"!!! ) and "exposes" me as being Jewish, I'm nowhere near Pikesville, haven't been there in probably 15 years and I'm not Jewish.  You're as accurate in that story as you were in describing my marriage.  Stick to the topics and shut the fuck up about my "biography".  Now I'm worried you'll call me a child molester.

Heh
I accept your apology.

Deny, deny, deny...

So, let me make sure I understand...

You are insisting you were putting out accurate info about Yank?

Nice try, josh, but no, I make no such claims...just Yanking his chain, since he likes to throw his snark on the board. 



Feel free to go after Yank, though, too, if it is offensive conversation to you.

Among your problems and Yank's is the fact that you both like to take a swat, but can't handle getting hit back.

Sez the guy who has run from this board multiple times, separate from having been kicked, suspended, and warned.

You keep presenting the delusion that you "hit back," when all you do is post words - there is no hitting. And when you "attack" by presenting private data, you get slapped down (metaphorically), because that's not allowed.

Your so called "hit back" efforts are no more substantial than Ward's, Kid's, Banks', or mine, except in your mind, where you think you have an impact on our state of mind that just has never existed.

Been run. Never ran.

GFY.

Revisionist history. Too fucking funny.

At least one of your names never got run, but disappeared for a good long while. Nor is that the only time.

You got banned once. Warned a couple times. Time outed a couple times. But only banned once.

Of course, you denied being Piggy for a while, at the beginning.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 14, 2021, 01:30:54 PM
“Dude, OK. So [laughing]. Yo, so, imagine like, oh man … imagine you’re working like a 9 to 5, and like, everybody’s at like a team meeting, right? And it’s almost in like a school assembly, OK? And the dude who walks in is like the CEO and he’s like an old dude who you know just plays no games. So like when he walks in, it’s dead quiet. Like … everything stops. All phones get put away. All laughter, any type of little chit-chat, done. K? Nobody plays around with Bill. I mean … nobody plays with Bill for the most part,” Marsh said. “So he walks in there and then he comes up to like a podium and he addresses the team for like 45 minutes to an hour every morning. He talks about the GM’s history, talks about the team’s history, talks about defensive, offensive coordinator’s history, the way that they used to run their defense, the way that they run their defense now, the history of all of the coaches.”

Marsh added sarcastically: “Super, super exciting to listen to him talk. Yeah.”

Marsh did say that he respects Belichick, who is “an extremely intelligent coach,” which was very nice of him to say about the six-time Super Bowl champion head coach.

However, Marsh said he much preferred the style of Pete Carroll in Seattle.

“I also came from Seattle, which is like, fun, family, we shoot hoops before every meeting and it’s a competition every day,” Marsh said. “We’re riding scooters from meeting to meeting. Super fun, family, college vibes.”



https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/13/cassius-marsh-says-patriots-treat-players-like-crap-bill-belichick-boring-meetings/?fbclid=IwAR2bCf1NKvn9rs-K7U1l_ik49FKuaukhvbtSTciplkqcUncznYsQGJDBsQE
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 14, 2021, 02:44:10 PM
Super fun!

Bill's been to 9 Super Bowls. Won 6, lost 3.

Pete's been to 2 Super Bowls. Won 1, lost 1.

I suspect that Marsh would have found Gibbs, Landry, and Shula pretty boring, too. And Noll, Walsh, and Parcells were all side-splitting, I'm sure.

Pete's been an NFL head coach for 15 seasons. He's made the playoffs 11 of 15 seasons. His record in the playoffs is 11-10.

I'm glad his meetings are lively. Marsh should stay there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 14, 2021, 10:41:21 PM
Straight outta Compton.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-former-seahawks-49-ers-cb-richard-sherman-arrested-on-burglary-domestic-violence-charge-153312207.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-former-seahawks-49-ers-cb-richard-sherman-arrested-on-burglary-domestic-violence-charge-153312207.html)

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 15, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
Suicidal, too, Sherman?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31821592/richard-sherman-was-drunk-threatened-kill-arrest-according-911-caller (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31821592/richard-sherman-was-drunk-threatened-kill-arrest-according-911-caller)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 15, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
One more entry in Forrest's never ending series, "Blacks Behave Badly".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 15, 2021, 03:15:59 PM
One more entry in Forrest's never ending series, "Blacks Behave Badly".

One note Stevie chimes in with, as usual, nothing.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on July 15, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
One wonders if Sherman played one game, or made one tackle, or took one hard hit to the head, too many.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on July 15, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
TB12 the legend continues

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/)

TAMPA — Tom Brady led the Bucs to a Super Bowl 55 victory at age 43 during a pandemic, becoming the first quarterback to win a title in his team’s home stadium.

But the legend only grows from there.

Brady did it while playing with a partially torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee that he sustained in his final season with the Patriots.

The injury gradually worsened during his first year with the Bucs and he finally had surgery to repair the MCL in late February after winning his seventh Super Bowl ring.

Brady has declined to give specifics about his knee surgery, only confirming that it was “pretty serious.”

I'm pretty sure Red Kryptonite can slow him up, Green, as we know will kill him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 15, 2021, 05:08:44 PM
Yes, so serious it killed his golf game.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 15, 2021, 06:44:51 PM
TB12 the legend continues

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/07/15/tom-brady-led-bucs-to-super-bowl-55-win-despite-partial-mcl-tear/)

TAMPA — Tom Brady led the Bucs to a Super Bowl 55 victory at age 43 during a pandemic, becoming the first quarterback to win a title in his team’s home stadium.

But the legend only grows from there.

Brady did it while playing with a partially torn medial collateral ligament in his left knee that he sustained in his final season with the Patriots.

Apparently it was a full tear?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10007896-tom-brady-underwent-surgery-on-torn-mcl-after-playing-entire-season-with-injury
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on July 20, 2021, 12:35:25 PM
TB12 does stand-up at the White House


NEW: Tom Brady at the White House on the Bucs' Super Bowl run:

"Not a lot of people think that we could have won. In fact, I think about 40% of the people still don't think we won."

Biden: "I understand that."

Brady: "You understand that, Mr. President?
"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 20, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
But wait, there is more.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/tom-brady-joins-president-biden-at-white-house-to-mock-trump.html

I may not hate Brady as much as I thought.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 22, 2021, 11:12:52 AM
Damn, this is rough

https://www.sportscasting.com/zach-wilson-development-quarterback-suffered-blow-after-serious-accident/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 22, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
Damn, this is rough

https://www.sportscasting.com/zach-wilson-development-quarterback-suffered-blow-after-serious-accident/
What a weird way of reporting Knapp's serious accident.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 22, 2021, 02:33:12 PM
I agree

Saw the headline and thought Wilson was injured
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 22, 2021, 09:15:55 PM
Dude fuckin died.  Holy smokes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2021, 02:39:59 AM
Dude fuckin died.  Holy smokes.
That makes that headline all the worse.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
Idiotic Moments in Sports Fandom:

One man is dead after an overnight shooting at the popular Pat’s King of Steaks in South Philadelphia.

Police said the shooting happened around 1 a.m. Thursday after two men got into an argument while waiting in line for food at Ninth and Wharton Streets. According to Pat’s general manager Tom Francano, the two men were fighting in part about football — one was an Eagles fan, and one was a New York fan.

“They were arguing and it turned into a fight,” Francano said. “One guy grabbed the other guy and got him in a grip, and the other guy pulled out a gun and shot him in the torso. It was one shot. The cops came right away.”

The shooter fled but was later arrested outside Independence Hall in Center City. The 23-year-old victim was rushed to Jefferson Hospital, where he died a short time later, police said.


https://www.inquirer.com/crime/pats-steaks-shooting-philadelphia-genos-20210722.html (https://www.inquirer.com/crime/pats-steaks-shooting-philadelphia-genos-20210722.html)


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2021, 07:40:25 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/us/florida-robert-kraft-spa-video-destroyed/index.html

The Robert Kraft video will never see the light of day, if this judge has his way.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2021, 08:06:03 AM
Is Ironman still a thing?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 09:34:53 AM
Is Ironman still a thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQm1_ff5Pb0
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Fred88 on August 10, 2021, 08:41:54 AM
This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 10, 2021, 12:14:32 PM
This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)

So... is this spam or should I leave it be?

New poster with a link, but on topic...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 10, 2021, 12:52:38 PM
This season should be very interesting.
Chiefs and Bucks will play in the Super Bowl again? 8)
By the way, this year I will not take Game Pass, I will watch all matches for free on https://nfl-video.com/ (https://nfl-video.com/)

So... is this spam or should I leave it be?

New poster with a link, but on topic...
To me, the tell is the use of the word "matches" instead of games. It is clearly...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
without doing a deep dive into the site, its a streaming platform, with no apparent affiliation with the NFL, but it might be a decent way to find a stream to out of market games. Whether you get a virus (mild to virulent) from it, is a wild guess. 80/20 probably

From the site

Disclaimer: nfl-video.com is only video embeddeding website. All of the videos found here come from 3rd party video sites such as YouTube, Openload, Ok.ru… We do not host any of the videos.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2021, 05:56:33 PM
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/8/11/22619561/nfl-announces-increased-enforcement-of-taunting-infractions (https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/8/11/22619561/nfl-announces-increased-enforcement-of-taunting-infractions)

The NFLPA, coaches, and competition committee have all made a strong statement regarding respect among everyone on the field. We saw an increase in actions that are clearly not within the spirit and intent of this rule and not representative to the respect of opponents and others on the field. Game officials have been instructed to strictly enforce the taunting rules and players and coaches are reminded that two taunting penalties committed by an individual player will result in automatic disqualification. In addition, the taunting player may be fined and or suspended depending on the severity of the action.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2021, 10:39:04 AM
Mac Jones, from the Saban School of Football had a decent showing in Foxboro last night. He looked pretty good against the unskinned team from DC, albeit 2nd skinners. While you can't take much from exhibition games, it seems we now have the foundation for a decent QB controversy, Cam v Mac or Mac v Cam.

I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him, but I suspect by mid-season, Mac may prevail.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 12:50:03 PM
NFL Network has 2 nice replays today

Steelers at Eagles

Wash at Patriots

4 PM,  8 PM
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2021, 01:36:23 PM
NFL Network has 2 nice replays today

Steelers at Eagles

Wash at Patriots

4 PM,  8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2021, 01:41:17 PM
The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough.  I prefer to use "exhibition game" or  "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough). 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough.  I prefer to use "exhibition game" or  "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2021, 01:58:44 PM
The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough.  I prefer to use "exhibition game" or  "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
I've been struggling with it for decades. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2021, 02:04:15 PM
The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough.  I prefer to use "exhibition game" or  "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).
"Game-length scrimmage?"
I've been struggling with it for decades.
"Bull Shit Money Squeeze" may fit the bill.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 16, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
The use of the NFL's nomenclature "preseason football" means you're not minimizing it enough.  I prefer to use "exhibition game" or  "practice game" (though I'm not sure use of the word "game" diminishes it enough).

scrimmage
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 02:32:42 PM
NFL Network has 2 nice replays today

Steelers at Eagles

Wash at Patriots

4 PM,  8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.

Yeah, I kind of agree - but need to learn whothefuck is a Steeler this year
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Wow - JOE WALTON scored 28 TD in his NFL career as a tight end?  Who knew?

Rest in peace, Coach.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2021, 04:04:36 PM
NFL Network has 2 nice replays today

Steelers at Eagles

Wash at Patriots

4 PM,  8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.

Or any college football game that involves MSU.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2021, 07:55:38 PM
NFL Network has 2 nice replays today

Steelers at Eagles

Wash at Patriots

4 PM,  8 PM
If there is a greater waste of time than watching preseason football, it has to be watching a replay of preseason football.

Kid wants to get a jump on the season and chip away at that mountain of vig that is crushing him.

Kid take the Pats, lay the 3 1/2
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 08:40:48 PM
Lets go!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:38 PM
Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition

Too serious a fellow.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 16, 2021, 10:03:43 PM
Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition

Too serious a fellow.

It's more fun for most of us when the score keeper doesn't keep making "mistakes."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2021, 10:42:01 PM
Banks of course will once again shy away from any fun competition

Too serious a fellow.

Kid--As I recall we had a fun competition last post-season we're I went (IIRC) 7-6 ATS and you had an almost incomprehensibly bad 2-11.

For a serious fellow I found it pretty hilarious.

And Josh makes a good point, the fun goes out of a fun competition, when you serially try to game the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 11:12:09 PM
The picks will be there once again this year

You can set the spreads if you like, rather than use mine

I have been relying on the same group for ten plus years.  Pick exact scores for every game - but you of course can just pick winners.

Please - all join in.  Bank is a prick but won't make it hurt too bad when he smokes us.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 11:17:37 PM
It's more fun for most of us when the score keeper doesn't keep making "mistakes."


I am not doing tallies this year.

You can if you like.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
kid

I'm not anymore of a prick than any other rational person is when they are repeatedly bullshitted by a bullshitting moron.

If you insist on acting like a dishonest fool, I will treat you like one.

And I may make some picks this year for my own enjoyment in handicapping, as I've done for years.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 11:39:10 PM
Rather than actually make picks, Bank is famous for his, "I am thinking of going with....", "I am leaning towards......", etc.....

where he can (at least in his mind) take credit if it goes well and pass it off if it doesnt.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
poor kid's lieing again

I generally pick 3-4 games a week, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.

And I do ok ATS and o/u and generally have winning years.

And last year in the post-season pick'em I was 7-6 ATS (should been 9-4, on 2 backdoor covers) and 10-3 straight winners.

And all the picks are there with scores.

kid's a liar. 

Poor kid brags of his prowess, but always in other games or pools.

 But he never can quite match those boasts with actual results in Elba.

last year he was an incomprehensible 2-11.

And that followed a year where in picking a full slate he was around 47% (which is not terrible)

In 25 years of playing these games, dozens of contests in our small community, IIRC he won one suicide pool.

But he has never won a MLB, NFL, NCAA pick'em game, ATS or straight wins contest.

Kid throws darts and when pressed for reasons, can't back up his picks.

I've teased the poor dumb fuck, that he can't beat a fairly flipped coin.

And he can't

Take the coin.

Seriously take the coin.

kid's a moron.

25 years SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 12:03:12 AM
I generally pick 3-4 games a week, games, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.


Just scrolling back will show otherwise.

But nobody has that time.

I'd be thrilled if you did 4 exact scores a week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 12:12:24 AM
I generally pick 3-4 games a week, games, will tell you who I like, why I like them, and generally give a predicted score.


Just scrolling back will show otherwise.

But nobody has that time.

I'd be thrilled if you did 4 exact scores a week.

Who the fuck cares about exact scores?

Do I get a cherry on top if I hit it exactly?

I don't need cherries.

I'm picking ATS. And sometimes o/u. and very rarely ML if I like a dog.

Going 2-11, you should be thrilled about winning 4 games any way you can.

keep on moving the goal posts kid

LMAO

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 12:17:09 AM
Who the fuck cares about exact scores?


You just said - generally give a predicted score.

Doesn't matter to me what you do

Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.

Not feeling it?  Put up nothing.

Any way you want to play it, pal.

And please - get in on the fun of IronMan, where with Daniel Jones as my QB for at least 8 weeks I vow to win the whole damn thing.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 12:19:01 AM

Doesn't matter to me what you do

Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.

Two sentences which demonstrate just how false the first of the two is.

But the whole exchange back and forth illustrated it even more.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 12:23:48 AM
Who the fuck cares about exact scores?


You just said - generally give a predicted score.

Doesn't matter to me what you do

Tell ya what - pick as many games as you want each week and I will match the number.

Not feeling it?  Put up nothing.

Any way you want to play it, pal.

And please - get in on the fun of IronMan, where with Daniel Jones as my QB for at least 8 weeks I vow to win the whole damn thing.

Now its IronMan and Daniel Jones?

Good luck

Last year as I recall you were hot on Cam and I tried to talk you off of the Pats and the over (9-9 1/2).

I liked the under and I told you why.

How did that wager work out for you kid?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 12:32:26 AM
I still like Cam.  You?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 01:18:26 AM
I still like Cam.  You?

No. Not at all. I think as a quarterback, he makes a good paperweight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 17, 2021, 11:53:20 AM
Who needs a preseason? banks and kiid are already in mid-season form.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 12:07:26 PM
Yep

Including Banks eluding direct questioning

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 12:46:46 PM
Lmao

Kid the one thing you do well is avoid answering a direct question.

You had a tough time answering whether you wore a mask. 

You equivocated for weeks.

This latest dodge is just a dodge and distract from the truth about your pick 'em prowess and your empty boasts.

Ask me anything you like and I'll give you an honest and no BS answer.

As I always have.

You fucking moron.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 01:06:12 PM
Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!

Who should sign him?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 17, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!

Who should sign him?
Westboro Baptist.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
Tim Tebow is now available (again)!!


Lets go!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
Ask me anything you like and I'll give you an honest and no BS answer.


Scroll back
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 01:37:39 PM
Lmao you're evading again and wont address your falsehoods. What's on your mind and how can I put your pin head at ease?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
It's not on my mind - but here it is for you again


I still like Cam.  You?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
It's not on my mind - but here it is for you again


I still like Cam.  You?


My thoughts on Cam haven't changed much since last year, when we had a direct conversation about my misgivings of his role as a starting QB for the Pats.
Recently, I posted about the QB competition in NE and how it may play out.

Scroll back

that's it?

A question I answered at length a year ago and advised you of the risks, and again a week or so ago, is one you say I won't answer?

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 03:22:31 PM
I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him.....


Noncommittal

If he excels, well - you SAID last year was not a fair shot

If he stinks, well, you said you arent a Cam guy

That's BANK.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 03:23:33 PM
Who should start?  Newton or the rookie?

Any fan has an answer for this.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2021, 03:44:12 PM
Lmao
Kid can't hold two thoughts in his pin head.
I gave my reservations about Cam to kid lat year and they were on target. But I recognized the challenges of covid on him. I'm still not a Cam guy and as I believe I posted a week or so ago, the pats may switch horses mid-stream.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 05:18:52 PM
shhhhh.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 05:57:24 PM
Good to see we agree though that Newton should be the starter
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 06:12:08 PM
I'm not a Cam guy, but last year was not a fair shot for him.....


Noncommittal

If he excels, well - you SAID last year was not a fair shot

If he stinks, well, you said you arent a Cam guy

That's BANK.

I think you're the only one who can twist that.

He's not a Cam guy and if Cam does well, he will say "good for him," but he won't claim to have always liked him.

Find a mirror for that.

(OTOH, "Let's go!" is pretty vague about Tebow.)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
Good to see we agree though that Newton should be the starter

He didn't say that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
Heh.  Exactly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2021, 07:01:10 PM
I posted a poll re Cam/Mac and the Pats QB competition on SoSH

https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/poll-cam-mac-brian-or.34343/ (https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/poll-cam-mac-brian-or.34343/)



As we approach the second exhibition game tonight it appears Cam has the edge to start the season at QB. He has experience, BB's public confidence, is a snappy dresser, and along with some new offensive tools to work with and a decent defense could lead the Pats into a shallow play-off run. That is to say an improvement over last year's 7-9, maybe 9-8, or 10-7.

I think we have a fair amount of low-scoring 20-17 games in our future, and a probable road loss in wk 1 in the post-season. In short we'll be sort of middle of the pack mediocre +.

There has been some speculation that Cam will get the first 4 games (the 4th being Tampa @ Foxboro and Gronk's return) and depending upon the results that BB may make a switch. Or if the Pats get off to a decent start early BB may stay the QB course.

Now not to pin the team's successes or short comings all on Cam, I think I'd rather roll the dice with Mac and see what he can do, as I think the long-term upside is a higher, and the more experience given to Mac the better, even if it means rookie mistakes.

Who's your choice and if you feel like it, why?


About 74% of the 165 respondents prefer Mac.



 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2021, 11:24:23 PM
A good night for the Pats and both QBs.

Cam was fine but Mac might have been a little sharper.

Both QBs mostly relied on a ground game, but Mac has a better touch and superior range. But tonight both seemed totally in control and comfortable with the offense.

The Iggles, both sides of the ball, were terrible, so its hard to judge a lot with this game.

But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.

But it looks like its Cam's to lose.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 20, 2021, 12:48:31 AM

But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.


Still nursing that sore spot.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 20, 2021, 06:18:41 PM
Now not to pin the team's successes or short comings all on Cam, I think I'd rather roll the dice with Mac and see what he can do, as I think the long-term upside is a higher, and the more experience given to Mac the better, even if it means rookie mistakes.


Eli-Warner thing, I guess
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 20, 2021, 09:21:25 PM
CAMACAMACAMACAM CAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAMCAMACAMACAMACAM

It works both ways...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 20, 2021, 10:03:27 PM
A good night for the Pats and both QBs.

Cam was fine but Mac might have been a little sharper.

Both QBs mostly relied on a ground game, but Mac has a better touch and superior range. But tonight both seemed totally in control and comfortable with the offense.

The Iggles, both sides of the ball, were terrible, so its hard to judge a lot with this game.

But to the extent there was a QB controversy, it only got ratched up, at least in the minds of fans.

But it looks like its Cam's to lose.

Of course it is.

I think Pats go out at least 8-4 before facing the Bills

Assuming of course there is no Eli moment for Jones
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2021, 01:30:22 PM
Pats schedule looks relatively benign QnD looks says they could be anywhere from 9-12 wins. Probably lower-scoring, reliant on ground game and a strong D. And stronger if Gilmore plays.

Old school trench warfare football



Title: IRON MAN?
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 26, 2021, 09:40:29 AM
Are we drafting soon?
Title: NEWTON, rap music
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 30, 2021, 01:49:39 PM
https://nesn.com/2021/08/patriots-scott-zolak-apologizes-for-cam-newton-rap-music-comments/

Thoughts?

Inconsiderate by Zolak?  Accurate - at all?

Anything to do with that it's RAP and he is a POC?
Title: Re: NEWTON, rap music
Post by: josh on August 30, 2021, 02:06:33 PM
https://nesn.com/2021/08/patriots-scott-zolak-apologizes-for-cam-newton-rap-music-comments/

Thoughts?

Inconsiderate by Zolak?  Accurate - at all?

Anything to do with that it's RAP and he is a POC?

It was a stupid thing for Zolak to day.

No idea what underlies it and not pretending I do.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
HOLEE SHIT

I guess BB didn't like Cam dancing either.

Cam get's released.

Mac named starter

Kid you better get a new fantasy QB
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 10:15:42 AM
Pay attention

Jones is my guy.  :)

(Actually Rodgers and Allen were a nice tandem for me last year as I took regular season title)

Did Pat's save a bunch of dough or was Newton $ guaranteed?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
Certainly have to check out FIRST TAKE today.  Kellerman said just yesterday that Newton hadn't played his best football yet

(Yeah, Max - apparently that was the problem)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
Pay attention

Jones is my guy.  :)

(Actually Rodgers and Allen were a nice tandem for me last year as I took regular season title)

Did Pat's save a bunch of dough or was Newton $ guaranteed?

Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.

IIRC Newton's comp had a lot of incentives, so not much dead money beyond modest amount of guaranteed money.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 10:35:22 AM



Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.



Yeah.  I complemented Mac on the Gmen forum

Maybe I will take him as a backup.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
Looks like Cam got 3.6 out of his 5.1.  Who becomes #2?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cam-newton-7716/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 10:44:02 AM



Nothing against your Jone's but I like the upside of 'Bama Jones more than Duke Jones.



Yeah.  I complemented Mac on the Gmen forum

Maybe I will take him as a backup.

Bama Jones will make rookie mistakes, but it seems he has a high football IQ and enough skills to be a pretty decent QB.

I thought BB would stick with Cam until he flat out lost the job.

I guess he did, or BB knew which way he was going and didn't want the drama leading up to the 1st game.

Deal with any fall out, if any, now.

IMO he made the smart decision.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 10:56:18 AM
Yeah.  Just another way to do it.  Avoid the Warner-Eli type situation

I am sure the COVID scare and other things may have factored in.

Bill doesn't want a middling season but I am sure he can get through it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Except Warner could still play QB and went on to almost win another SB (with Cards).

The G-Men made decision to tank the season to get Eli on the learning curve.

IMO its very unlikely Cam will lead a team into the post-season again. He's very limited as to what he can do. 

IMO2 the Pats lifted their '21 ceiling today even if the learning curve for Mac is steep.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
I applaud the decision.

I wish Cam Newton all the best in his next career. Maybe he can do something with Tim Tebow.

There was a feature discussing big names for a dozen teams who might get released today - they had one for the Pats, but it wasn't Cam Newton.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 12:24:10 PM
Patriots reporter -

"I would never want to do this to a kid, but he (Jones) almost looked like Tom Brady..."

- speaking of a recent practice vs Giants where Jones was running things - with Cam absent
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 01:16:43 PM
KELLERMAN throws out -

Cam to Dolphins after they deal Tua for Watson (Watson not playing due to his legal woes)

Pats of course open with Fins.

(Recommended viewing today - with the added bonus that Stephen A is off)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 02:31:33 PM
KELLERMAN throws out -

Cam to Dolphins after they deal Tua for Watson (Watson not playing due to his legal woes)

Pats of course open with Fins.

(Recommended viewing today - with the added bonus that Stephen A is off)

I think WEEK 1 Pats-Fins we get the answer to

Which Bama stud ring-winning champion QB, Tua or Mac, will prevail in Foxboro?

Of course in Alabama the Tuscaloosa.

Roll Tide
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2021, 09:31:18 AM
I am picking DUKE in an upset this year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2021, 01:20:48 PM
I am picking DUKE in an upset this year.

I read earlier you were riding Jones, the G-Man from from Duke in some fantasy game that no doubt you will crush.

Is this the Duke you are referring to?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 01, 2021, 03:51:37 PM
Yeah - my bad - don't want to give the impression that I believe the Duke Blue Devils football team will have great success in 2021.  I wouldn't know.  But I am quite bullish on the women's soccer team.

By the way - their goalkeeper is Daniel Jones' sister, Ruthie.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 03, 2021, 08:05:00 AM
Bucs look loaded again, should win easily unless Tommy boy finally shows his age.

---While not the only cause, quarterback Chase Brice
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 04, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
What on EARTH would now be the reason for Can Newton to not get vaccinated?

Please - give me a valid reason.


https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/nfl-teams-dont-want-cam-newton/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2021, 04:44:19 PM
What on EARTH would now be the reason for Can Newton to not get vaccinated?

Please - give me a valid reason.


https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/nfl-teams-dont-want-cam-newton/

Illogical thinking.

Maybe he's a Republican.
Title: Week 1 odds
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 09, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
NFL 2021  Week 1


Thursday, Sept. 9, 8:20 PM TB -7.5 Cowboys 51.5      TB 31  Cowboys 24

Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Buffalo -6.5 Steelers 49
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -5.5 Jets 45
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Jags -3 Houston 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM TN -3 Cards 52
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Wash -1 LAC 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Atlanta -3 Eagles 48
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Seattle -2.5 Colts 49.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM Vikings -3 Cincy 48
Sunday, Sept. 12, 1:00 PM 49ers -7.5 Detroit 45.5

Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM KC -6 Browns 53
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM NE -3 Dolphins 43.5
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM Broncos -3 NYG 42
Sunday, Sept. 12, 4:25 PM Packers -4.5 NO 50

Sunday, Sept. 12, 8:20 PM LAR -7.5 Bears 45
Monday, Sept. 13, 8:15 PM Ravens -4.5 LV 51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 06:23:34 PM
Bucs 34

Boys 20

Beware the backdoor burn
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 09, 2021, 06:52:59 PM
Straight up, no spread:

TB, which come to think of it also stands for Tampa Bay.
Buffalo. I think Piss burgh is a 500 team in Ben's last year.
In my mind I'm going with Carolina
Jags v. Houston oh Jesus, why is this game played? Jags.
Arizona is my pick to be the NFLs most disappointing team. Tteennnneesseeee.
Boy, ATL and Philly seem a long way from their Super Bowls. I have a strange vested interest in Hurts. He is what happens when you blackmail your fantasy league into a labor day draft and do not show up.. Eagles
Let Russell cook? Seattle is cooked. Colts.
Based on my knowledge of my fellow Spartan alum Cousin's not.getting vaccinated is the least surprising thing since the original Dream Team played Mongolia, or whoever. He will miss at least two games,, minimum in protocol. But not this week.. Vikings.
Detroit is going to suck harder than a tick on a mule. 49ers.
20 -0 is within reach! Browns
Hmmm.... Dolphins in the Bama QB bowl.
Teddy the Bridge QB to nowhere... Broncos
NOLA is fading in a sad post Brees way. Packers.
Nice that Stafford gets to play on a team with skill players and Aaron Donald. Rams.
I think good defenses will figure out Jackson this year. QBs who do normal exceptionally well are harder to defend than those who are exceptional at the unique. Vegas Vegas Vegas!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Super spreader in Tampa!

Take Delta and the over
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
Brady might have a future in the league
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 09, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
Straight up, no spread:

TB, which come to think of it also stands for Tampa Bay.
Buffalo. I think Piss burgh is a 500 team in Ben's last year.
In my mind I'm going with Carolina
Jags v. Houston oh Jesus, why is this game played? Jags.
Arizona is my pick to be the NFLs most disappointing team. Tteennnneesseeee.
Boy, ATL and Philly seem a long way from their Super Bowls. I have a strange vested interest in Hurts. He is what happens when you blackmail your fantasy league into a labor day draft and do not show up.. Eagles
Let Russell cook? Seattle is cooked. Colts.
Based on my knowledge of my fellow Spartan alum Cousin's not.getting vaccinated is the least surprising thing since the original Dream Team played Mongolia, or whoever. He will miss at least two games,, minimum in protocol. But not this week.. Vikings.
Detroit is going to suck harder than a tick on a mule. 49ers.
20 -0 is within reach! Browns
Hmmm.... Dolphins in the Bama QB bowl.
Teddy the Bridge QB to nowhere... Broncos
NOLA is fading in a sad post Brees way. Packers.
Nice that Stafford gets to play on a team with skill players and Aaron Donald. Rams.
I think good defenses will figure out Jackson this year. QBs who do normal exceptionally well are harder to defend than those who are exceptional at the unique. Vegas Vegas Vegas!

Beautiful post, sir.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 11:01:19 PM
there's the over

fun game tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 11:29:27 PM
Bucs reverting to form with 4 huge turnovers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 11:43:16 PM
nailed it!

this sets up some nice drama
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2021, 11:52:59 PM
that was a real fun game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2021, 01:59:16 AM
that was a real fun game

More fun for the TB fans than the Cowboy fans, but yes, I liked it.

And the announcers nailed it when they talked about Prescott and the 'Boys not wanting to leave any time for Brady.

They left too much of it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 10, 2021, 01:38:14 PM
Give brady a minute and he'll cut your heart out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2021, 02:42:44 PM
Give brady a minute and he'll cut your heart out.

9 for 19 when needing a field goal with under 3 minutes left.

I thought that was awful until I looked at everybody else's numbers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 10, 2021, 02:52:00 PM
Getting field goals instead of touchdowns continues to be a bad strategy. Missing them is worse.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2021, 04:03:49 PM
Name an NFL quarterback who played at least 150 games and had more 4th quarter comebacks than he had losses.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 10, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Big Ben is second on the comeback list?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2021, 07:53:00 PM
Big Ben is second on the comeback list?

Only for active players.

And there are two things you need to be high on that list:
A long career
A lot of games in which you are behind.

The stat I like is Comeback Wins/(CBW+Losses) - it tells what the precentage of games you won among those in which you were behind.

Over 33% is pretty good. So far, I'm only aware of one person who is over 50%, with 150 games played or more.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2021, 03:17:59 PM
Bens W/L record is 156-74-1

according to Football ref he has 46 4th qtr game winning drives.

so...

what am I misunderstanding, other than all the other shit I misunderstand?

And there are two things you need to be high on that list:

A long career

A lot of games in which you are behind.


and fwiw I'd add a third requirement

an accurate long distance FG kicker.

Nice to see that after 20 years, some folks, are coming around on that 44YO  QB from Michigan.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 10:05:58 AM
Knockout pool

RAVENS
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2021, 10:35:22 AM
KO Pool -week 1 49ers

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Today's upsets


Texans
Eagles
Bengals
Giants
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 01:38:04 PM
heh

Hurts to Smith- allllll-ready.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 12, 2021, 02:03:26 PM
Typical Darnold, fumble inside the ten. But Jets have no talent on offense to help Zack. Scoreless tie?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2021, 04:24:59 PM
Pats 24
Fins 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 12, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
Wilson looks good in second half.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2021, 05:04:13 PM
Argonauts beat the Ravens, 22-7.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2021, 07:52:56 PM
A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.

Brady's Bucs are good enough to overcome too many drive killing turnovers and dumb penalties, Mac's Pats aren't.

Yet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
Pats D impressive

Big win for Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 13, 2021, 11:48:31 PM
Pretty good game tonight

Whew!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 10:41:08 AM
Knockout pool claims early victim - heh

Real bad choice - with no real forethought.

And the Raiders comeback killed my winning week as well.

(Did get three of my 4 upsets, however mild)

May just get into the sport this year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
Interesting first week with dogs barking and covering in 12 of the 16 games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 10:49:26 AM
A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.


NEWTON decision stands at 0-1
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2021, 10:57:21 AM
A day for optimism, but that game should have been won.


NEWTON decision stands at 0-1
Newton decision remains 0-0.
Mac is 0-1.
But he showed reasonably well in his maiden NFL game. As posted, it was a day for optimism.

How'd your Jones manage?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 11:28:44 AM
I thought he (D Jones) was fine.

Lost fumble of course is always going to hurt

Frankly I haven't seen the entire game yet.

The Jones-Shepherd hookup is REAL.

Will try to catch some of Mac's play on NFL Network replay.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 11:30:21 AM
Ravens-Raiders replay at 4 PM today is anyone wants to see it (FIOS 588)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
NFL Network has stopped telling us which games are to be shown on replay.  I hope that is just for this week.  Was great being able to see what time a certain game replay was on.  Now it just says NFL Action throughout the week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2021, 06:20:06 PM
Funny stuff - seeing all these recaps of Ravens-Raiders - not one mentioned that

a - Harbaugh passes on the field goal to go up 17-zip

b - After the rookie Williams had excelled Harbaugh has the rustbin Latavious Murray try to get the yard

Biggest spot of the game though it was early
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2021, 11:08:41 PM
Kevin Faulk's 19 year old daughter died.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Holly Martins on September 15, 2021, 01:21:35 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/13/dangling-cat-football/

The rare occasion when wrapping yourself in a flag is useful.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 15, 2021, 11:16:02 PM
WEEK 2

Thursday, Sept. 16, 8:20 PM Wash -3 Giants 41    Wash  17  NY Giants 20

Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Saints -3.5 Caro 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Cleve -12.5 Texans 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Chicago -3 Bengals 45
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Pitt -5.5 Raiders 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Bills -3.5 Miami 48
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Rams -4 Indy 47.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM 49ers -3.5 Phil 50.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Broncos -6 Jax 45.5
Sunday, Sept. 19, 1:00 PM Pats -5.5 NYJ 43

Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:05 PM AZ -4.5 Vikings 51
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:05 PM TB -12.5 Falcons 52
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:25 PM Seat -5.5 Titans 54
Sunday, Sept. 19, 4:25 PM LAC -3 Cowboys 55

Sunday, Sept. 19, 8:20 PM Chiefs -3.5 Balt 55
Monday, Sept. 20, 8:15 PM GB -10.5 Lions 48
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2021, 08:20:16 PM
I expect points to be at a premium tonight and hard to find.

At 41 1/2 like the under

WFT -3

The Team with No name 23

G-men 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2021, 10:56:47 PM
Dan from Duke has played a lot better than I thought he would.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2021, 11:44:20 PM
That was a pretty pretty pretty good game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 17, 2021, 02:12:39 PM
Jones showed what he can do with protection. Excellent game for him. Giants lose it in classic fashion with the dropped TD to the off-sides penalty which killed the win off and allowed the re-kick for WFT.

Meanwhile, the Phillies scored 2 TDs and a FG against Chicago, last night.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 18, 2021, 11:31:57 AM
KO pool week 2- Browns
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 18, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Giants upset loser - (3-2 overall)

Other upsets this week

Dolphins, Cowboys
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2021, 12:55:54 PM
Pats 31
Jets 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 19, 2021, 01:01:55 PM
23-14  NE  (under 43)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 19, 2021, 03:10:30 PM
OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 19, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
Meanwhile Carolina is 2 - 0. Who is their QB, I forget.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2021, 08:24:55 PM
OK looks like another lost season in NY. 4 picks whew!
Meanwhile Carolina is 2 - 0. Who is their QB, I forget.

Broadway Zach had a rough afternoon in da Meadowlands.

Jimmy Hoffa had better days out there than poor Zach
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2021, 08:26:10 PM
playing KC laying the 3.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2021, 08:54:57 PM
Baltimore 98 yards rushing in first quarter
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2021, 11:28:46 PM
playing KC laying the 3.5
nice 2nd guess moron! Changed the pick right before kickoff.
Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
Fun game.
Harbaugh's decision to go for it reminded me of BBs decision several years ago to go for a 4th and 2 from his own 28 rather than kick the ball to Peyton Manning.Harbaughs decision worked out better.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2021, 12:17:52 AM
If nothing else coaches that are secure in their jobs can make ballsy moves like Harbaugh
Title: 35-0 Bills, Tua bounced
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 04:50:21 PM
Do any of you know if Tua's rib injury occurred on the 4th and 2 play for Dolphins 48, down 7-zip quarter 1?

WTF kind of coaching is this?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 10:13:52 PM
Rodgers and Brady one upping one another on padded pass TD stats
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2021, 10:41:08 PM
heh

Kid bet against Brady again.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 10:51:08 PM
Did I?

I am actually benefitting from the Rodgers gluttony.  Needed the fantasy points tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 10:53:39 PM
Need a TD and 2-pointer from Goff for the Lions cover

Just 7 wins this week - and a push
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 21, 2021, 02:07:41 AM
Did I?

I am actually benefitting from the Rodgers gluttony.  Needed the fantasy points tonight

Not denying it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 21, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
Que'?

You want to know if I bet money against the Buccaneers this week?

No.  I did not.  Only Bank has put his real money wagers here for us to see.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 21, 2021, 09:20:28 AM
So I get the big night from Rodgers, which I wouldnt have needed had I started LaMarr (heh) -

and in League 2 I get enough from Hockenson to getw the victory and go to 1-0 (firs week we hadnt drafted yet)

Seems like 2 good leagues (a good league being where teams pay attention and no week is a pushover for anyone - though Just Say Knowshon does have  a stacked group - note - we play them week 3)

Now, about that LaMarr-Aaron decision every week.......

I think I will go with Jackson and spot Rodgers.  I mean - early on in Chiefs-Ravens it did appear Jackson wouldnt have a great night statistically.  And the soft spot for Rodgers at home vs DET was apparent.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 21, 2021, 09:43:32 AM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32246370 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32246370)

LOL!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2021, 12:49:47 PM
Que'?

You want to know if I bet money against the Buccaneers this week?

No.  I did not.  Only Bank has put his real money wagers here for us to see.

Kid over the years I've shared my thoughts on games and disclosed from time to time whether I backed my opinion with a modest wager, usually with friends as we enjoyed drinks at my local pub. Seeing as recent events has for all intents and purposes eliminated that activity, my wagering as it were has been reduced to a fraction of a small amount. I still enjoy handicapping selective games though.

Pats-Jets was once again kind to me as there are no shortage of overly optimistic Jets fans on my cell phone.

Good luck with your fantasies this year.   
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 21, 2021, 02:25:56 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 21, 2021, 03:52:25 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2021, 11:03:34 AM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2021, 04:07:16 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?

Your words, not anyone else's.

What was his great contribution?

Post it. Or STFU.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2021, 06:14:55 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?

Your words, not anyone else's.

What was his great contribution?

Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2021, 06:22:16 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?

Your words, not anyone else's.

What was his great contribution?

Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?

So you won't answer the question.

Typical.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2021, 08:52:16 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?

Your words, not anyone else's.

What was his great contribution?

Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?

So you won't answer the question.

Typical.
I did. But the real interesting thing is trying to figure out what kind of horrid soulless stone hard asshole would find in the hyperbolic comments of grieving parents and friends eulogizing a loved one the stuff of derogatory internet comment. Your racism is only the tip of the extraordinarily empty shell of humanity iceberg that is your pathetic existence.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 22, 2021, 09:34:42 PM

Thursday, Sept. 23, 8:20 PM Panthers -7.5 Houston 44    Carolina 28-17

Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7.5 Jacksonville 52
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM TN -5.5 Colts 48
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Ravens -8 Lions 49.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Buffalo -9 WFT 46
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM NE -3 Saints 41.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM KC -6.5 Chargers 55.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM NYG -3 Falcons 48.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Cleveland -7 Bears 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 1:00 PM Pittsburgh -4.5 Bengals 45

Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:05 PM LV -4 Dolphins 45.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:05 PM Denver -10.5 Jets 41
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:25 PM Bucs -1 LAR 54.5
Sunday, Sept. 26, 4:25 PM Seahawks -2 MN 55

Sunday, Sept. 26, 8:20 PM SF -3.5 Packers 49.5
Monday, Sept. 27, 8:15 PM Dallas -4 Phil 51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2021, 09:44:18 PM
https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html (https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsports/2021/09/family-says-goodbye-to-carthage-football-player-the-damage-was-just-too-much.html).

For lack of a better place to post this, I just want to understand why this family thinks this kid "did more than most people do" in his 14 years?


 What? Because he was an organ donor?
Yeah. Fuck that useless kid 'm I right?

Your words, not anyone else's.

What was his great contribution?

Post it. Or STFU.
Nothing! Fuck that useless kid! And fuck the family and friends who loved him and eulogized him and wanted to remember him with joy. And fuck their loving overstatements. Fucking bastards. 'm I right?

So you won't answer the question.

Typical.
I did. But the real interesting thing is trying to figure out what kind of horrid soulless stone hard asshole would find in the hyperbolic comments of grieving parents and friends eulogizing a loved one the stuff of derogatory internet comment. Your racism is only the tip of the extraordinarily empty shell of humanity iceberg that is your pathetic existence.

LOL!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
Carolina has a good.defense, Houston is running with... well, not their bridge QB to nowhere. Carolina.
Arizona is better than I thought they would be offensively. Jax is worse than I thought and I thought they were going to be horrible. Victory is in the Cards.
Tennessee and Indy are disappointing, so far. Wentz is hurt. Again. Tennessee.
Ravens. I mean, they are.playing Detroit,  so.
Bflo's offense seems out of sync. I think Washington can take them. WTF.
The City of New Orleans has the football team disappearing blues. NE.
I was officially wrong about Herbert, but he is not Mahomes. KC.
The Giants will win a couple games this year, might as well be this one.
16 - 1, baby! Browns.
I still think Pissburgh is a .500 team, but they should beat Cinci.
Vegas Vegas Vegas!
The Jets tried to Couch Daniels by not surrounding him with anything. They are.going to do the same thing with Wilson. Denver.
Always liked Stafford. Good, gutsy player who deserves better than a career with Detroit. Rams.
I think Captain Kirk can keep Minnesota in a lot of games. As if that was the point. Absent a last second Hail Mary throw to Keith Nichols, I don't see him beating Wilson. Seattle.
Packers.
Dallas.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2021, 11:38:27 PM
Darnold leads the Panthers to the NFL's best record.

Poor Jets

I wonder where Zach will be in 3 years?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 24, 2021, 05:00:52 AM
---Darnold had just four 300-yard games during his three years spent with the New York Jets. He now has two 300-yard games in back-to-back weeks for the Panthers.---   Jets are hopeless seem to be getting worse. Keep on bringing in inexperienced defensive coaches to head coach.  Worst play calling seen in a long time.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 24, 2021, 09:35:45 AM
I wonder where Zach will be in 3 years?


Likely QBing the Jets



Darnold has had a cake schedule - but is throwing a nice ball, surely.


Now....about those Steelers.....

(folks shoveling dirt on Ben.   Just where he wants to be)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 25, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
BB seems to have solved the Jets offensive code. #1 in 22 the draft that is. No top rated WRs which they need desperately.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 25, 2021, 09:55:05 AM
Edge rusher, OT, corner or safety?

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-mock-draft-quarterbacks-1st-round-carson-strong-matt-corral-malik-willis-spencer-rattler-sam-howell/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver
Title: Favorites week
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 09:24:48 AM
Just one upset for me today - and it's the LA Rams - which is more like a pick em.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 12:57:36 PM
IIRC got about 4-5 dogs in my ATS pool

Last couple of weeks have been dog heavy

I have the Pats covering at -2 1/2

low confidence in what could be a trap game for the Pats as a much ballyhooed game awaits next week

I'm thinking a tight low-scoring affair marked by turnovers cashed into FG.

It will be interesting to see if Jones portfolio is expanded further down field in what could be a challenging game.

And BB might not want to tip off to soon what he has or has not in Mac.

Pats 23

Saints 17
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 26, 2021, 02:23:44 PM
Kick 6 in Jax.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 04:52:40 PM
Trap snapped shut on Pats today.

Pats O-line was beyond putrid.

Pats offensive position players (except law firm of Jacoby & Meyers) smelled just as bad.

Mac played ok, given no O-line, and no support.

He's going to be pretty good,

If he can survive the challenges presented by his NO-line and position players.

They may lose by 30 next week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 06:10:12 PM
Missed White, obviously

And you miss Cam.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
Missed White, obviously

And you miss Cam.

No I do not miss Cam nor do the Pats.

Mac had it rough today, and had to make do with little help. He played ok, forced to pass to receivers who could not separate.

They missed White and I hope he's ok, but as already posted they missed an O-line that could pass and run block.

They could use Trent Brown to return ASAP.

The story of this game was NO-line, turrnovers and a blocked punt.

Pats vets were terrible.

The rookie was ok.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 26, 2021, 07:08:03 PM
Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 26, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.

If you shot at him and had bad aim, he would be missed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 07:42:04 PM
Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.

When kid doesn't have facts he goes to the HOT TAKE machine.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 07:55:58 PM
Another dog day sunday with 8 dogs beating the spreads.

Pulling for one more tonight with GB +3 1/2
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 08:01:53 PM
Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.

Nah

He was poised for a nice bounce back.  A fine leader.  But Bill wasnt comfortable.  I understand that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 08:18:30 PM
Newton was sub-500 as a Pat starter, managed to make everything about himself and seems to have lost a lot off his fastball. Hard-pressed to figure out how he could be missed.

Nah

He was poised for a nice bounce back.  A fine leader.  But Bill wasnt comfortable.  I understand that.

Nah

Cam was outplayed by the rookie and you were informed of that. Mac showed he had the right stuff. Now it could have made sense to start Cam and let Mac watch for a few weeks, but the leader Cam made himself unavailable for practice in the last week of preaseason, and the vac issue was probably an issue.

So BB rightly concluded having Cam in the wings would likely be an unwanted distraction for a rookie QB . So he looked forward to Mac and not backwards with Cam.

Nothing Cam did indicated he was poised for a bounce back.

That's a fascinating conclusion to draw for a guy who never watched him play and only draws with crayons.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
So when Bill packs up and leaves who do you want taking over?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 08:43:10 PM
So when Bill packs up and leaves who do you want taking over?

Cam
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/09/26/Bill-Belichick-Mac-Jones-patriots-wrist-off-field-Saints
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 08:57:21 PM
Mac Jones, Patriots underwhelming
The Mac Jones hype train has slowed to a halt, I presume? What ugly football the Patriots continue to play as this rookie QB takes his lumps.

I was way off on this team. They are not special in any regard, the post-Tom Brady era is not going well for Bill Belichick and I remain unimpressed with this group overall. The defense is not fearsome in any regard and they are incredibly limited on offense. So much for Foxboro being some sort of fortress; the Pats got punked by the Dolphins and Saints already at home and struggled to truly put the lowly Jets away despite Zach Wilson handing them the ball four times.

For all the talk about Jones being superior to other kid QBs in his decision making, he sure threw up some jump balls Sunday and looked really jittery against the Saints pressure. They had 68 net yards at the two-minute warning of the first half, trailing by multiple scores and effectively out of hope in a game in which the rookie QB was picked off three times. The offensive line has not been good, they do not run the ball with the power and effectiveness of a year ago (when they were by no means world-beaters but had Cam to open things up) and Jones led them with 28 ground yards on six carries against the Saints. Woof.


Long-term, he'll probably be fine, I guess. But, continuing a trend here, you gonna tell me this offense would be worse with an athlete like Cam Newton at the helm? What happened to this revved up passing game, with them spending all that money on receivers and tight ends? The trio of Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith and Nelson Agholor have combined for a grand total of 45 catches for 290 yards (6.44 yards per catch!) and one touchdown reception through three football games. That is three free agents through nine combined man games. That is awful. The trio amassed eight catches for 57 yards TOTAL on Sunday.

The Pats couldn't crack 50 yards rushing as a team. Good luck with that. I thought this was a wild-card team. I was probably way off on that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 09:14:50 PM
You should probably spend some time reading that and then thinking about it.

A rookie QB, playing in his 3rd game, with a porous O-line and no run game, was forced to throw to receivers who couldn't get open.

Mac had a lot to deal with and from my perspective didn't panic and played a decent game.

Cam who can't throw and forced to run would probably have gotten destroyed, or infected with covid again.

As your unsourced author concludes, in the long-term Mac will probably be fine.

Which is the goal, to deal with adversity, learn and get better over time.

I saw some very encouraging things today.

If he can survive his O-line Mac will be a pretty good QB.

How your Jones doing?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 26, 2021, 09:40:42 PM
I think it is fair to be skeptical about Jones. But the idea that a team would be better off with the eroded skills (I know
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 09:48:45 PM
I am not skeptical about Jones

But I think having the team in Newton's hands this year was the better call

Here's the rub - BILL WASNT COMFORTABLE - and last I checked it is his team.

Carry on, team and fans

Now, what happened today when Bill whisked Mac to the locker room?  That may be a story.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 10:19:58 PM
I am not skeptical about Jones

But I think having the team in Newton's hands this year was the better call

Here's the rub - BILL WASNT COMFORTABLE - and last I checked it is his team.

Carry on, team and fans

Now, what happened today when Bill whisked Mac to the locker room?  That may be a story.

Keeping on rubbing kid and you'll get one more hot take.

Then wipe yourself.

You've given no reasons, to support your Cam hot takes.

Mac was the better QB in camp and won the job.
 
And most everyone following the team understood that.

You did not.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 10:40:52 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 10:43:54 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.

You're an idiot.

Got it.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 26, 2021, 11:13:42 PM
Hey, at least Justin Fields didn't turn the ball over.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 11:18:26 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.

You're an idiot.

Got it.

You are happy sacrificing wins for development

Just say so and we will be done
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 26, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.

You're an idiot.

Got it.

You are happy sacrificing wins for development

Just say so and we will be done

You're happy making up bullshit and pretending it is meaningful.

Just say so and we will be done.

Or don't and you will be done, regardless.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 26, 2021, 11:34:18 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.

You're an idiot.

Got it.

You are happy sacrificing wins for development

Just say so and we will be done
How many teams in this win now league have been rushing to sign Cam Newton?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 11:48:58 PM
Thats neither here nor there
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 11:52:23 PM
Good camp QB

Got it

Mac will be fine in time.  I'm not talking about that.

You're an idiot.

Got it.

You are happy sacrificing wins for development

Just say so and we will be done

LMAO

You changed the subject.

But I'll play.

I'm not happy losing a game but within reason, yes. maybe one, two or a few games might be sacrificed to a QBs long-term development. Depends.

Although you've probably never climbed one successfully, I can tell you that Learning Curves are real and the process very beneficial to the climber.

But I imagine its probably very steep for a rookie QB in the NFL to climb.

But over 17 games in my opinion Mac Jones holds far superior potential than Cam Newton to win games this year.  And I expect he holds the potential to win more games (holding all else equal) than Cam Newton as he has seems to have better skills.

Again, today's loss had little to do with Mac Jones.

It just didn't.

And the first week loss to Miami was not on him but on a running back who fumbled the ball as Mac drove the Pats to a game winning score.

Cam likely does not make that drive.

The point you evaded and changed was Mac won the QB competition as decided by BB after watching the QBs compete. BB decided that Mac was the better choice, and it was an opinion shares by many observers.

I understand you had no observations and so your HOT  TAKE is close to worthless.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 11:58:18 PM
GB wins and covers.

Good week for dogs with 9 of 15 covering.

Third week in a row that dogs barked loudly.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 27, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
Thats neither here nor there

If the professionals in the NFL agreed with you, he'd have been signed.

They don't.

Cam is as done as Kaepernick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 12:21:54 AM
Again, todays loss had little to do with Mac Jones.

It just did't.


heh

You explained on the forum many weeks back how you would be OK with sacrificing the now - to give the job to Jones.  Implying that Newton might win more games but thats OK with you.

Bellichick may feel the same - but never say so.  I dont think he misses Cam's MUG or his act one bit - and he will have to live with the W-L consequence

My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel

a)  Newton would have taken them further this year
b)  Newton was screwed

Again - you wont hear this opinion from anyone except the press and some fans being fair.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 12:23:31 AM
If the professionals in the NFL agreed with you, hed have been signed.


Signed to do what?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on September 27, 2021, 12:45:18 AM
My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel

a)  Newton would have taken them further this year
b)  Newton was screwed

A guess and not even an informed opinion.

Cam was screwed by Cam and by time.

It's nobody's fault but his that his preseason sucked.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 10:17:03 AM

My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel

a)  Newton would have taken them further this year
b)  Newton was screwed
On what evidentiary basis would they believe that? Most of them played last year too.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 27, 2021, 10:31:12 AM
Kid knows things.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 11:04:08 AM

My guess is also that while teammates see how talemted M Jones is, they may feel

a)  Newton would have taken them further this year
b)  Newton was screwed
On what evidentiary basis would they believe that? Most of them played last year too.

Kid is on solid HOT TAKE ground-it is impossible to disprove his HOT TAKE.

Even if Cam never plays another NFL game because no GM or coach thinks he's good enough, kid can maintain the HT that Cam was the better choice. He doesn't need evidence or common sense just a troll's sensibility.

And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.

As for losses, nobody likes them, but I accepted the risks that come with starting a rookie QB, as its the best way for them to learn and for coaches to assess their talent.

I'm not a coach but so far I like what I've seen so far from Mac in 3 games. I hope he survives his 4th.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2021, 11:13:21 AM
You should probably spend some time reading that and then thinking about it.

A rookie QB, playing in his 3rd game, with a porous O-line and no run game, was forced to throw to receivers who couldn't get open.



How your Jones doing?


It's the same old song, just in a different uniform, but with the same last name attached.

Danny can make the throws, but only when he has time, and he ain't ever getting it. So, why should one expect Mac to be able to overcome the same kind of O-line deficit?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
I dont think the New England O-line is as bad as you imagine

Its the same group that had Bank projecting 9-12 wins

Saints played well on the road - credit them - they had something to prove and the well-coached outfit got it done.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 12:37:04 PM
And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.


Riiiiight...

Biut this is professional sports - and the TIMING of such a decision is always going to b key.  Especially when you are a team looking to win a division (read:  not in the Jets or Giants position)

The Eli-Warner comparison is appropriate.  It can be said Giants flushed that year but for the good of the future.  All I am saying is this NE situation '21 could be quite similar.  But of course Pats fans want to say 9-12 wins
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 01:35:15 PM
I dont think the New England O-line is as bad as you imagine

Its the same group that had Bank projecting 9-12 wins

Saints played well on the road - credit them - they had something to prove and the well-coached outfit got it done.

No its not the same group. The O-line lost their starting right tackle, Trent Brown in wk 1, and the line has played like crap since. PERIOD.

If you watched, which I doubt, you would have seen the consistent pressure Mac has been under.

Bank projected 9-12 Ws in the pre-season, with the assumption of a healthy O-line, and a strong running game and the 2 new TE. He also assumed Gilmore, their DPOY CB, would come to terms and play.

The O-line has sucked, the 2 TEs have mostly been no-shows, Smith was a huge negative factor yesterday, the running game has not really jelled and the D has been hurt by the absence of Gilmore.

9 wins is possible, but they have to play better  ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.

And kid I told you last year, after the Cam signing, why I was not a Cam fan. And he did nothing to prove me wrong that he was a stop-gap quick fix until the next Pat's QB could be found.

You should have left your snarky BS answer, as "Right" because I was.

And I also told you to stay away from picking the Pats W total as an over (9-9.5).

Was I right about that too?

Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?

Or are your stories about your bets all lies and hot takes too?

HEH

As for Eli-Warner, the Giants benched Warner with a 5-2 record, and Eli struggled the rest of the season with what 1 win?. The difference between the Pats in '21 and the Giants in '04 is that the Pats risked almost nothing in starting Mac, the Giants risked a post-season. There is nothing to indicate the Pats with Cam as starter would have improved from the 7-9 record he had last year.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 01:38:46 PM
9 wins is possible, but they have to play better  ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.


Wow - what an incredible shift.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 01:40:49 PM
Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?


In the legal betting world money is up front

But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
9 wins is possible, but they have to play better  ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.


Wow - what an incredible shift.

Its called learning.

You see new information which differs from the old information, you process it, and adjust to a new reality.

I bet with Gary, and Jimmy and Al and a few other guys, but don't know a midget named Harry.

Poor kid can't answer a straight question.

So you pre-paid your -175 bet (175 to win 100) last year on the Pats buydown of over 9-9.5 wins?

I told you not to.

A fool and their money....


LMAO




 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?


In the legal betting world money is up front

But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.


Harry the Midget only takes small bets, of course.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?


In the legal betting world money is up front

But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.
That's sizeist. He prefers to be called a dwarf. That's the type of thing that leads to a high suicide rate among them.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
9 wins is possible, but they have to play better  ( O, D and ST, and ST has been terrible) and become a far more disciplined team.


Wow - what an incredible shift.

Its called learning.

You see new information which differs from the old information, you process it, and adjust to a new reality.

I bet with Gary, and Jimmy and Al and a few other guys, but don't know a midget named Harry.

Poor kid can't answer a straight question.

So you pre-paid your -175 bet (175 to win 100) last year on the Pats buydown of over 9-9.5 wins?

I told you not to.

A fool and their money....


LMAO

The new info including the kid QB, of course

You have come around.  I give you that much.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 02:53:16 PM
Did you ever pay-off your lost bets?


In the legal betting world money is up front

But I am sure you and your not so massive funds still deal with a midget named Harry.


Harry the Midget only takes small bets, of course.

Odd Couple reference - surely missed by all here
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 03:10:39 PM
Dan Campbell is a class act

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter

Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this.  Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Dan Campbell is a class act

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter

Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this.  Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
Browns get the short end, maybe.

Pittsburgh and in particular Big Ben is looking done. I still like that D and it will keep them around for a while, but even with that they are a 9 and 8 team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 05:18:55 PM
9 and 8 just looks weird.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 06:06:44 PM
Dan Campbell is a class act

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ravens-field-goal-controversy-lions-coach-apology-wont-matter

Browns and Steelers come out on the short end of this.  Though Ravens are the best team and still would be at 1-2.
Browns get the short end, maybe.

Pittsburgh and in particular Big Ben is looking done. I still like that D and it will keep them around for a while, but even with that they are a 9 and 8 team.

Keep forgetting there are 17 games

O/U for Steelers was 8.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
Keep forgetting there are 17 games

for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.

HEH


pre-season win totals

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals/ (https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/win-totals/)

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 07:00:37 PM
for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.


This would tell you something - if you would unlock your brain, drain the hate.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 07:41:44 PM
for an active gambler with a taste for wagering on win totals that seems like an important fact to know.


This would tell you something - if you would unlock your brain, drain the hate.
it reinforces my long held belief you're full of shit and routinely lie. I don't hate you kid. I just enjoy exposing your bullshit. I'm well aware you are not a gambler.  Perhaps if you dealt honestly with people you might get the responses you seem to need.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
Let it lie, pal.  Easy now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 08:29:41 PM
So....who we got tonight?

Feeling Cowboys minus the points though Eagles points allowed to date is impressive

DAK may just be THAT MUCH BETTER than advertised.  We shall soon see.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 09:51:47 PM
Cowboys dominating, in a big play 1st half.

I wonder if McCarthy can tell time.

2nd and 31 two TOs in his pocket, and the two minute warning, and nothing.

Even the ref thought he was going to call a TO.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2021, 09:56:09 PM
He needs a bigger clock.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2021, 10:01:31 PM
HEH

Another big play.

That had to Hurts.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 11:11:08 PM
And the over




Nice
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 11:13:31 PM
DAK may just be THAT MUCH BETTER than advertised.  We shall soon see.


143.3 rating tonight
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 28, 2021, 02:24:58 AM
Hurts tosses a garbage time TD. And I win in fantasy by 5. Awesome.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 28, 2021, 09:58:18 AM
Stay humble, Eli: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-eli-manning-double-bird-eagles-20210928-en2jcwkwjbb3leb7jkxd7quyim-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-eli-manning-double-bird-eagles-20210928-en2jcwkwjbb3leb7jkxd7quyim-story.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 11:26:08 AM
Hurts tosses a garbage time TD. And I win in fantasy by 5. Awesome.
Very nice

And now you are changing your QB......

Good luck with that.

I dont see an offer to make but down the line if you want Rodgers or Jackson let me know your thinking.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 11:28:32 AM
Recommend Danny Dimes over Carr, for what its worth
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 28, 2021, 11:51:03 AM
Who is going to catch the passes for giants? All injured and mediocre at best. Mara put on a show blaming everybody but himself. Needs someone to show him what a GM is supposed to look like.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 12:28:44 PM
How about the first round pick?  Makes a bit of sense to look at him closely.

What's with Engram?  Cant run routes?  Giants have always used the TE well.  Sad.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 28, 2021, 02:04:45 PM
Recommend Danny Dimes over Carr, for what its worth
Only if i want to lose.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 01:34:04 PM
Yeah - maybe not for this week......
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 01:35:47 PM

Thursday, Sept. 30, 8:20 PM Cincy -7.5 Jags 46   Bengals, 27-24

Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM WFT -1.5 Atlanta 48
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Chic -3 Lions 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Titans -7.5 NYJ 46
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Browns -1.5 MN 52.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Miami -2 Colts 43
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Dallas -5 Panthers 50.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM NO -8 Giants 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Chiefs -7.5 Phil 54.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 1:00 PM Buffalo -16.5 Texans 47.5

Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:05 PM LAR -6 Cards 54.5
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:05 PM SF -3 Seahawks 52
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:25 PM Ravens -1 Denver 44
Sunday, Oct. 3, 4:25 PM GB -7 Steelers 45.5

Sunday, Oct. 3, 8:20 PM Bucs -6.5 NE 49
Monday, Oct. 4, 4:25 PM LAC -3 Raiders 52.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.

Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2021, 05:00:51 PM
Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.

Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest

I really don't like the .5 hook but I got Cincy covering the -7.5 in my ATS pool. (had a real good week last week)
Rookie coach and rookie QB on the road on a short week might be problematic.

I figure Cincy wins by 14. Which means odds are decent for the back door cover.

Cincy 31
Jax    17

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
I saw a lot of Jax on Sunday. I honestly thought Lawrence would be more pro ready. He will get there. Not this.week, though.  Cinci.
I was surprised by how badly Football Team's defense did last week, but I think Atlanta is just bad..WTF.
Nine.sacks. One net passing yard. The book on Fields coming out of the was he held the ball to long. With that O line he will get killed. Detroit.
But I still think he is better than Zach Wilson. Tennessee.
16 and 1! Browns.
Really surprised at how poorly Indy has played. Not in the east surprised tbat.Wemtz has injury issues.  Miami.
Time to see if Darnold is real. Carolina.
New Orleans should be able to handle Jones.
I think KC is going to start playing angry. Chiefs.
I am surprised how not bad Texas has been on defense. But Bflo is going to handle them.
The Rams will beat Arizona so bad  ot even CyberNinjas can help.
Jimmy G will get a lot of value back after this year. SF
If Jackson plays, Ravens.
Offensively Pitt looks old and slow. Come to think, the ARE old and slow. Green Bay
I cannot wait for this to be over so we can get back to the normal way too many Brady stories, as opposed to the way, way, WAY too many Brady stories. Tampa.
I really like how Carr is playing, but I will take the current LA team over the former one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Jax has had a tough sched.  This is their chance, though on the road, to break through.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they win this game

Thinking of going over to the FanDuel just to enjoy the atmosphere and the multiple screens (for Yanks-Jays)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 07:39:18 PM
Picked up Marvin Jones in my fantasy B league to add some spice tonight

Playing him over Waddle Woods Anderson Kirk and (of course) Shepherd
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
Darnold at Dallas or Wilson at San Fran this week?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 11:28:35 PM
Looking forward to Lawrence vs Burrow tonight.

Over on the 492 combined pass yards - and a close contest

yyyyepp

good game

Tough one for Trevor.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
Cincy must have sucked in the first half going down 14-0, (didn't check the play by play) because they looked pretty decent when I turned on the game in the 3rd qtr. outscoring Jax 24-7.

spilled milk and ATS loss

but still have my head or at least my nose just above water in my ATS pool
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 10:43:18 AM
Cincy must have sucked in the first half going down 14-0, (didn't check the play by play) because they looked pretty decent when I turned on the game in the 3rd qtr. outscoring Jax 24-7.

spilled milk and ATS loss

but still have my head or at least my nose just above water in my ATS pool

Urban Meyer may have lost the game (I said so at the time) when he passed on a 19-yard FG at the end of the first half, Lawrence being stopped just shy of the goal line on 4th down.  Would have been 17-zip.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
Upsets (5-3)

Atlanta
Denver
(Steelers have a shot but I will hold off)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
Upsets (5-3)

Atlanta
Denver
(Steelers have a shot but I will hold off)

it sounds like we're playing similar slates  as I'm favorite heavy this week, after playing a lot of dogs in the first 3 weeks.

Although in my pool Balt is a 1 point dog to Denver.

Not much of an upset either way.

I may tinker a bit, there are a couple of 7.5 games I'm second guessing myself on
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 03, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
How bad are this years edition of jets? Cannot stop a 3rd and 26 by tenn. Simple screen pass.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
Danny Dimes playing well

Got screwed statistically, losing TD pass then forcing the INT hail mary.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
#1 pick also playing well for Gmen
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 03, 2021, 03:34:12 PM
OMG Jets have actually tied it. Wilson looking really good.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 03:38:10 PM
Saquon alert!

Dimes!  on the money.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Misses Barkley on key first down from 34

And how come only I know that with two time outs you RUN THE FUCKING BALL on second and ten

Gano for the tie,,,,,,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Money.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2021, 04:11:30 PM
Jalen Hurts is the master of the garbage time touchdown.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 03, 2021, 04:17:32 PM
Whew a win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 03, 2021, 04:53:27 PM
NY football gets a double win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
sweeeeeeeeet win for Danny and Barkley

High draft picks looking great.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
Browns Vikings o/u 52.5

they score 21 combined

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
Browns Vikings o/u 52.5

they score 21 combined

heh
Winzawin.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 08:06:34 PM
America has no team to root for, tonight.

Same as this Tuesday.

Happens sometimes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 08:14:26 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 08:48:14 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh

It is.

Eli is retired. Brady is still winning games.

Won more Super Bowls after losing his second to Eli than Eli won in his career.

He's won more Super Bowls than the Manning brothers appeared in.

So, keep trotting out the inferior Eli Manning as if there is meaning to it, Hamilton. It's about the most effective your posts get these days, and it still doesn't amount to much.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 08:58:09 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 09:01:56 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Brady is inaccurate, tonight.  Rain? Or are the balls not deflated properly?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
Browns Vikings o/u 52.5

they score 21 combined

heh
Winzawin.

I suck at over/under - dont even keep track any more

Actually nailed that one
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 09:46:57 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.

Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 09:52:31 PM
Congratulations to BEN ROETHLISBERGER on 400 TD passes (205 picks).

(Rodgers gets #420 in same game, vs just 91 INT)

Brady 591 vs 193
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
93.8
97.4
103.9

Overall reg season ratings of the 3 QB
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 10:12:28 PM
 Brady finding out that visitors don't get the calls in NE.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 10:14:13 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.

Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.

You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.

Product of the era.

The end.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.

Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.

You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.

Product of the era.

The end.

Yes Brady is a product of his times.

And he adapted to those times in a manner and with a level of success and longevity which had never been witnessed in the NFL.

You inarticulate ill-informed troll.

Danny Dimes wins a game and the troll comes out of hiding.

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 10:42:22 PM
Banks' team is losing. It's way easy to tell.

Heh

Brady a nonfactor in the game do far.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Jones outplaying Brady.

Looks good out there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Puzzling - no 2 point conversion try for Bucs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
Helluva drive.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

Of course you have.

You're deluded, but that is nothing new.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 11:10:35 PM
Sloppy and boring game. That's what happens when defense is outlawed.

NFL is a snooze fest.


I'm out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:15:21 PM
Rook cant get Patriots in

Good boring game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:15:57 PM
Need 6+2 for the cover
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 11:18:00 PM
I haven't been bored.

I suspect most football fans have enjoyed a physical game.

Mac has done a nice job with no ground game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
Dang, AB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 11:28:33 PM
Mac has his 2:00 for glory.

This game has been really good
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:29:20 PM
White Newton with his chance at a statement drive.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:31:41 PM
Brilliant coaching by BB either way.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 11:36:44 PM
SONOFABITCH
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:38:18 PM
Cam chuckles
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:40:04 PM
BUFFALO
New York
Miami
New England
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 11:41:34 PM
BB should have gone for it on 4th down.

That was a good game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 11:43:14 PM
BUFFALO
New York
Miami
New England
20 years of kid's inferiority expressed in his post.

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 11:52:19 PM
BB should have gone for it on 4th down.

That was a good game

I agree

Because Brady was winning it 22-20 anyway
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 04, 2021, 09:52:57 AM
Cam chuckles

He'd have missed the field goal by an even wider margin.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2021, 10:59:06 AM
DOINK!!!

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 04, 2021, 02:01:01 PM
And tbh, had the kick gone through, Brady would have had almost a minute to get his team downfield for another field goal. The Pats probably would have lost anyway!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2021, 04:27:36 PM
The kid outplayed Brady. The defense did well, but as we always see with TB, he got a big assist from the officials on that last drive of his.

 How about those Cardinals, eh?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2021, 08:02:09 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh
As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.

Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.

You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.

Product of the era.
What does that even mean? It doesn't matter if you are Tom Brady or Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas, or Otto Graham or Sid Luckman, every quarterback is a product of the era. That is not for them to decide. All they have to decide is what to do with the time that is given them. The era influences his numbers, but not his ability as a quarterback. Brady is not like Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or Kyle Murray; he does not have a skill set that is unique to now, in fact if anything he is an outlier: a strong armed and accurate pocket passer with a quick release and snap decision making who is more mobile in the pocket than mobile generally. Yes, the difference in era makes raw number comparisons inexact if not downright lies, but there is nothing in Brady that would make him any less great in any earlier era. Mind you this is coming from someone who generally dislikes northeastern US sports teams and has rooted against him for his entire career and in every Super Bowl he played in except one he lost*, loathes Bill Belcher (so much so that I am keeping the autocorrect) and refuses to even mention his alma mater without insulting that Voldemort of US educational institutions.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.

* Fuck the 72 Dolphins.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 08:14:20 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.


Statistically this one is easy

2 back sets for one.

Bump and run is another.

Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
As for the GOAT - well, I gave you the numbers

You like the guy on the better teams?  Thats cool.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.


Statistically this one is easy

2 back sets for one.

Bump and run is another.

Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....
So what about Brady makes you think he wouldn't be as relatively successful in those days as he is now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 08:58:02 PM
Depending on the team he was with....

There is ONE player with a better W-L record in playoff games than Brady (by percentage, minimum ten games)  edit - make that 2

Tom could possibly be as good as THAT guy if he played back then.  Dont know if he'd have been the best.

Did guys like Starr and Bradshaw get picked off more back then because they were inadequate - or because there were less guys getting open?  Hmmm...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2021, 08:59:50 PM
A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?

Again don't confuse passing stats as the sole factor needed to be a great QB.

Marino may have been the best passer I ever saw, but he wasn't close to being the best QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 09:01:43 PM
A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?


Well, no way

Havent you heard - Terry Bradshaw was dumb, dumb, dumbbbb

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
I do not think guys not getting open was a problem for Bradshaw.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 09:09:16 PM
Heh

Compared to now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2021, 09:09:32 PM
Do you know that the 60s Packers and 70s Steelers both relied on great Ds packed with all-time great players to win championships and generally were reliant on ground games on offense (Packers more than the Steelers).

Probably not.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 04, 2021, 09:22:24 PM
Starr was the epitome of the "game manager" QB.

A great QB for about 7 years and an NFL legend, but not surprisingly, he was not one of the 10 QBs named to the NFL 100 All-time team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2021, 09:24:52 PM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple
Otto Graham, 9 and 3.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2021, 09:25:01 PM
Jeff Hostetler 4-1!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 03:32:01 AM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

You missed at least three things, Kid.

1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!

2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.

3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.

Starr    9-9
Plunkett      8-9


Brady     34-12
Bradshaw  14-9
Montana    16-8

Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!

Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2021, 08:28:08 AM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

You missed at least three things, Kid.

1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!

2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.

3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.

Starr    9-9
Plunkett      8-9


Brady     34-12
Bradshaw  14-9
Montana    16-8

Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!

Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.
Hence, Otto Gdaham's greatness in never failing to make a championship game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 09:42:36 AM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

You missed at least three things, Kid.

1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!

2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.

3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.

Starr    9-9
Plunkett      8-9


Brady     34-12
Bradshaw  14-9
Montana    16-8

Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!

Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.

I said minimum 10 games
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 10:16:57 AM
NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

You missed at least three things, Kid.

1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!

2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.

3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.

Starr    9-9
Plunkett      8-9


Brady     34-12
Bradshaw  14-9
Montana    16-8

Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!

Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.

I said minimum 10 games

"NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple"


Just like you posted the percentages.

Got it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager".  When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)

Rodgers is the best of all time.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 11:38:34 AM
I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager".  When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)

Rodgers is the best of all time.

If only he could get into the playoffs more and do better in them.

He couldn't and he didn't.

He had the potential to be the best of all time and failed to realize it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
I think Starr is unfairly criticized here as merely a "game manager".  When he had to throw he was accurate, including the long throw (Throw The Long Bomb the title of one of his bios)

Rodgers is the best of all time.

Kid's got a boner for Packer QBs.

For most of his career, Starr had two all-timers, Hornung and Taylor in his backfield, running behind a storied O-line, and threw on average about 125 yards per game.

And as noted he was not included among the 10 NFL QBs in the NFL 100 All-time team as determined by a panel of experts.

During his hey day, Starr was a star, but Unitas was considered the best passer and best QB in the NFL.

Rodgers is a great passer, can make throws few can, but he is not the best QB of all time. I do not think he's seriously in that conversation as his record in big games is mediocre.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 12:17:20 PM
Record in big games cannot be attributed totally to a quarterback

I stand by Rodgers over Brady.  Tom is of course a superstar.

As for your Bart Starr comments, you're a fucking idiot.  And yes, I know how good the Packers teams in that 6-7 year run were.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 12:26:55 PM
Record in big games cannot be attributed totally to a quarterback

I stand by Rodgers over Brady.  Tom is of course a superstar.

As for your Bart Starr comments, you're a fucking idiot.  And yes, I know how good the Packers teams in that 6-7 year run were.

In Green Bay Lombardi won titles with an all-pro packed defense and HoFers Taylor and Horning running behind a great O-line. Starr managed it for Lombardi.


You can stand wherever you like with Rodgers, he's a very good QB, but he's not in Brady's class as a leader or winner. And never will be.

As I said before, ill-informed people often confuse passing stats and how well a QB leads a team.

Thank you for illustrating my point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 12:59:24 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?

LMAO

Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.

kid you are an idiot.

Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?

LMAO

Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.

kid you are an idiot.

Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.

TFF

The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 02:58:55 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?

LMAO

Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.

kid you are an idiot.

Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.

TFF

The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO

LMAO

Lets take a look at 2020 and Brady's and Tampa's win over the defending champions, the KC Chiefs in the Superbowl.

To get to play the Chiefs,  Tampa had to play and defeat Washington on the road, then Drew Brees  and the Saints in New Orleans, and then

WAIT for it

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers in Green Bay.

Yup on a new team still learning to play together in a covid challenged year, Brady goes into Lambeau and beats Rodgers and the Packers

So in consecutive weeks Brady QBs wins on the road against Hof Bound Brees, Hof bound Rodgers, and likely HoF bound Mahomes.

Rodgers couldn't defend the sacred turf of Lambeau, the home of Starr and Favre, and you just assign him SB wins.

Kid you are a fucking moron.

And cemented for all time Elba's Village Idiot award in perpetuity.

Congratulations.

You earned it. 


As an aside, I'm not going to do this for all Brady's SBs, but I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons in SB 51.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 04:30:00 PM
I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons

So...you never saw Roger (inventor if the 2 minute drill) Staubach play?

And he had to do it against defenses which could 1) play bump and run
2) crush receivers going across the middle
3) And were allowed to truly hit the qb.

So did Montana.

But I guess you missed out on those guys.

Hell, against Atlanta's D, Bucky Always would've won that game.

Maybe even The Polish Rifle!

More than a few if those rings of TBs we're earned by opposing coaches.




Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 04:52:20 PM
Don't be too upset Hammy you finished a close second to kid.

My NFL days go back to the late 50s.

And I'm familiar with the work of Roger going back to his Navy days and as dad was a Navy man I became a big fan of his in college and when he shipped out to Dallas.

But the thing is, Roger could run a 2 minute drill, but Tom had to run about a 25 minute drill from the middle of the 3rd qtr and into OT against the Falcons. It was a comeback so improbable as to be almost unthinkable

The deficit was so big and so daunting he had to be perfect, and he was, on the NFL's biggest stage against the best team  in the NFC.

That he capitalized on mistakes is a strength not a weakness.

Its called being opportunistic.

And fwiw throwing out names means nothing to me.

Make an argument and back it up with facts you inarticulate dolt.

Polish rifle?

The one with the instructions that reads, "point this end out"?

or the Iggles QB?

LMAO



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2021, 05:00:21 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?

LMAO

Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.

kid you are an idiot.

Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.

TFF

The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO
So in your view In NONE of the five times Brady was MVP he was irreplaceable and necessary for the outcome?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 06:31:36 PM
I think Brady is fortunate to have seven, while you think he should have 9 or 10 rings

Correct?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 06:36:06 PM
I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons

Tom ran successful drives, with great offensive talent.

His defense kept getting him the ball back, as Falcons (see Hamilton's coaching point) stopped allowing Matt Ryan to throw.

Amend - checked play log which confirmed the Pats defensive excellence - defense got key sacks and forced a big turnover -  there was also a key holding call that really changed the game on ATL late drive

Still puzzling how Falcons have the ball up 8 at the NE 22 with 3:44 left and let it get to overtime
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 07:00:44 PM
Don't be too upset Hammy you finished a close second to kid.

My NFL days go back to the late 50s.

And I'm familiar with the work of Roger going back to his Navy days and as dad was a Navy man I became a big fan of his in college and when he shipped out to Dallas.

But the thing is, Roger could run a 2 minute drill, but Tom had to run about a 25 minute drill from the middle of the 3rd qtr and into OT against the Falcons. It was a comeback so improbable as to be almost unthinkable

The deficit was so big and so daunting he had to be perfect, and he was, on the NFL's biggest stage against the best team  in the NFC.

That he capitalized on mistakes is a strength not a weakness.

Its called being opportunistic.

And fwiw throwing out names means nothing to me.

Make an argument and back it up with facts you inarticulate dolt.

Polish rifle?

The one with the instructions that reads, "point this end out"?

or the Iggles QB?

LMAO

Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.

Got it.

Nice attempt to insult other posters, your default mechanism when you realize you've overstated a case and have been shown to be wrong, though.

The problem with that, though, is that one would have to give a shit about what you think of one.

And most here really don't. Except for josh, who worries what everyone thinks of him, and the sensitive larry, who sees insults in every post that runs counter to his.

 

Your memory may go back the 1950's, but your ability to reason is stuck in your ten-year old mind, Howdy-Doody.

As for more facts, there are greater comebacks than the Brady-Atlanta comeback, in more difficult to play QB eras, with stakes that could be argued as being even higher than what your boy faced against Atlanta--Ask Frank Reich, down 32 points in the play-offs, wins. Reich also has the biggest comeback in college football, too, so he's another guy who could have done what Brady and his teammates did. And, he was a back-up QB, too.

Surely, your steel-trap like memory recalls Dec. 15, 1974 at Miami, when Earl Morrall led the Miami Dolphins in a 26 point comeback over the Patriots. Of course, Morall was just another back-up QB, and the Pats were trying to have a winning season, at the time---not to be, though. Thanks, Earl!



If you want someone from this era, consider asking Andrew Luck, when he gets up.

Of course those comebacks were at home, and not on the road.

One of the best comebacks of all time came from Roger the Dodger, on the road in SF, a very difficult place to play, and in the divisional play-offs. December 1972.

Here, you can watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQa1MIOYAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQa1MIOYAk)

Additionally, what I said holds true. Brady is a product of his era. Because the game has changed so much he's never had to face this (nor has his receivers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqVij6tLz8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqVij6tLz8)

Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFEf7JfUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeJFEf7JfUA)


if you have time, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugsih3dhIpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugsih3dhIpQ)

And he certainly never had to face this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hTM_HA0EAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hTM_HA0EAw)


Do have a nice day.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 07:07:32 PM
I do not think there is any other QB living or dead, who could have engineered a comeback like Brady did down 28-3 to the Falcons

Tom ran successful drives, with great offensive talent.

His defense kept getting him the ball back, as Falcons (see Hamilton's coaching point) stopped allowing Matt Ryan to throw.

Brady's "great" offensive talent in that game were Jules, James White, Danny Amendola, LaGarrett Blount, Chris Hogan. Gronk was on the DL.  Brady, as we've discussed before made average players better. Jules was the only great skill player and as most knowhe was a 7th round QB turned into a slot receiver.

And the D did play well, but you're wrong, if Atlanta had been more conservative and run the ball rather than throw they might have killed time limiting Brady's ability make up the huge deficit. 

Kid-You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.

As we discussed yesterday, like every other player in every other sport, he played in the era under the rules and conditions, every other player in that era did. What was different was in the NFL no player has demonstrated his excellence and achievements for as long as he has.

And you have no counterarguments to his skills and abilities to adapt and compete against faster, bigger, more specialized, better coached defensive players who are far superior athletes using far more complex defensive schemes than employed in the past.

And his era was so soft he lost a year to a low hit that blew out his knee.

And Hammy this has nothing to do with you being a terrible piece of shit human being, this is about you knowing nothing about the topic. And you were called on on that.

Now be careful with that Polish Rifle, you might shoot your eye out.

And I'm glad you had fun Googling "great NFL comebacks"


LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 07:24:13 PM
Brady's "great" offensive talent in that game were Jules, James White, Danny Amendola, LaGarrett Blount, Chris Hogan. Gronk was on the DL.  Brady, as we've discussed before made average players better. Jules was the only great skill player and as most knowhe was a 7th round QB turned into a slot receiver.


Yes

Edelman Amendola and Hogan

Blount and White

Blount had a key early turnover.  Pats had a few three and outs and Tom had a pick.

The comeback was solid, no doubt.  Not superhuman at all.  Falcs just needed 1 or 2 key conversions - or to not hold - and it was pretty much over.  Pats D came through
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 08:34:08 PM

I stand by Rodgers over Brady.

Nobody doubted that for a minute.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 08:35:43 PM
Which of Brady's title teams would Rodgers have lost with?

LMAO

Tough question as Rodgers would have been sitting on the bench watching the GOAT play.

kid you are an idiot.

Rodgers couldn't get his team to more than 1 SB, Brady got his to 10.

TFF

The answer is QUITE LIKELY ZERO

Such emphasis on so little factual basis.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
Sp, you basically have no counterargument to the FACT that Brady plays in an era which is soft on the QB, favors the offense completely, and rewards mediocrity.

As we discussed yesterday, like every other player in every other sport, he played in the era under the rules and conditions, every other player in that era did. What was different was in the NFL no player has demonstrated his excellence and achievements for as long as he has.

And you have no counterarguments to his skills and abilities to adapt and compete against faster, bigger, more specialized, better coached defensive players who are far superior athletes using far more complex defensive schemes than employed in the past.

And his era was so soft he lost a year to a low hit that blew out his knee.

And Hammy this has nothing to do with you being a terrible piece of shit human being, this is about you knowing nothing about the topic. And you were called on on that.

Now be careful with that Polish Rifle, you might shoot your eye out.

And I'm glad you had fun Googling "great NFL comebacks"


LMAO

You remain inured to reality.

You've lost another one.

Ciao.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
True leadership shown by this "passer"

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32221105/aaron-rodgers-says-green-bay-packers-trouble-freak-one-loss
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 05:30:21 PM
Pats down 2 more O-lineman due to covid.

BB talking to Cashman to see if they can swing a deal for Judge and Stanton.

And CB Gilmore, former DPOY, traded to Carolina for bupkis, a '23 6th round pick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
Week 5

Thursday, Oct. 7, 8:20 PM Rams -2 Seattle 54.5    Seahawks, 31-28

Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Atlanta -3 Jets 46
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM TB -10 Dolphins 48
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Carolina -3.5 Eagles 45
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Saints -2 Wash 44.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Titans -4 Jax 48.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM MN -7.5 Lions 49
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Pitt -1 Broncos 40.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Packers -3 Cincy 49.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 1:00 PM Pats -9 Houston 40

Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:05 PM LV -5.5 Bears 45.5
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:05 PM LAC -1.5 Browns 47
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:25 PM Dallas -7 Giants 52
Sunday, Oct. 10, 4:25 PM AZ -5.5 49ers 50

Sunday, Oct. 10, 8:20 PM KC -2.5 Bills 56.5
Monday, Oct. 11, 8:15 PM Balt -7 Colts 46
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 12:09:09 PM
I was surprised that the Cardinals were able to limit the Rams offense last week. I think they rebound tonight.AR
I think the Jets have won their quota for the year. Falcones.
Surprisee how bad the Fins have been. Tampa.
Carolina wins despite another garbage time TD from Hurst that puts me over the top in fantasy for the third week running.
New.Orleans has been either really good or really bad. Bad this week. Football Team.
Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too. Tenn.
Lions Play Hard in Losing Effort. Repeat headline weekly through December. Vikings.
Well, Denver's QB may be their backup but at least he doesn't have a fork stuck in him. Denver.
Burrows is playing well but he is no Rodgers. Green.
The Texicans suck. Pats.
I guess the Bears defense can keep them in any game, but Fields just isn't ready. Vegas.
16 - 1 Baybee! Browns.
Dallas is.playing well, and.the Giants are gianting. Cowboys.
Niners. I still think AZ is not sustainable.
🐃 's defense contains Mahone.
Colts. Because fuck all, that's why.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
My pool (yahoo) has the Rams -1. Going with LAR tonight.

Head still  (barely) above water. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2021, 08:22:53 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html)

What he said.


Only an idiot would defend this clown.

Oh, wait, an idiot already did!

Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 09:50:57 PM
I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 09:58:34 PM
I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.

I had no opinion about him as a college coach. I watch way too little CFB to have an opinion.

Watching his hiring decisions for the pro team, followed by his explanations and sometimes retractions, he has seemed arrogant and insensitive.

The notion of his not flying home with his team is just bizarre.

What is it that you think he needs a fair shake about?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2021, 10:01:10 PM
I don't think any of you anti Meyer the collegiate coach guys can give Meyer the pro guy a fair shake.

Maybe read the piece.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 11:47:00 PM
Get well, Russ

Good game nevertheless
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 08, 2021, 02:21:04 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-is-finally-being-held-to-account-by-his-team-and-his-sport-and-hes-flailing-in-response-200034230.html)

What he said.


Only an idiot would defend this clown.

Oh, wait, an idiot already did!

Lighten up on Meyer. If you were screwing the pooch at your job that bad you'd get inappropriately drunk too

Heh
You never used to be this stupid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 08:12:50 AM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 12:07:28 PM
Won't matter

He is God in Vegas.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 12:47:58 PM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.

How many?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 09, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.

How many?
I am betting it is zero. But then Forrest is a racist.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 02:06:43 PM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.

How many?

There you go, defining what others have not said.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 02:07:24 PM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.

How many?
I am betting it is zero. But then Forrest is a racist.

As much as you are, Malcolm.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

Geez, Ham, do you ever answer directly a question that comes your way?


How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

Clearly, it is less than 10 in your opinion.

How many?

There you go, defining what others have not said.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
 

 
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Geez, Ham, do you ever answer directly a question that comes your way?


How many years after one has demonstrated racist beliefs sans repentance does it take before you think we should just ignore it for an adult?

 
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First of all, you have to establish that Gruden has had "racist beliefs", but only after you define that term.

Do so, and then I can answer the question that is DIRECTLY related to the topic, instead of you attempting to redefine the topic or establish a new one.

Stick to Gruden, because the piece is about Gruden, and his having to deal with something he wrote in an email while angry a decade ago.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 10:41:26 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo

Week 5 Minn.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 01:36:08 PM
Sirius NFL radio guy saying he expects quite a few upsets today.

I have just one.  JAGS
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 02:12:57 PM
I have 5 or 6 dogs this week.
Pats shitting their pants in Houston.
I'm upset.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 02:16:56 PM
I almost played Texans on the Pats o-line problems,but hate picking against them. But it's their defense which has been offensive against a bad team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
I almost played Texans on the Pats o-line problems,but hate picking against them. But it's their defense which has been offensive against a bad team.

Oh, the fumble of a touchdown and the dropped 30+ yard pass were none to good, either.

The Pats are fortunate to be down only 15-9 at the half, but they ought to be ahead (or tied, given the inability of either kicker to kick PATs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 02:33:58 PM
That goal line fumble was brutal. But I  figured the D would step up with a crap O-line playing subs, but the D shit themselves against bad team. They're lucky their only down 6.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 04:04:40 PM
And they came back to win, amazingly enough!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 04:23:02 PM
That was fugly but awinzawin. Even against Houston. Maybe halfawin. Bama Mac might have a future, but he better convince BB to get him an O-line.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 09:35:32 PM
I have 5 or 6 dogs this week.


When I say dogs I mean to win the game - just want to clarify

Damn - Giants-Cowboys would have been good with better player health
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Think this delay is too long for the starting QBs to come back out?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 11, 2021, 09:21:47 PM
If Gruden had made anti Semitic remarks even Forrest would have supported his ousting.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:02:53 PM
Gruden has resigned..
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 12:02:24 AM
Sorry to see the Colts blow it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 12:41:55 AM
An email from 10 years ago comes back to bite Jon Gruden and get him labeled a racist.

Way of the world, these days.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jon-gruden-email-demaurice-smith-11633721045)

Turns out he was an all purpose bigot in what he wrote, regardless of what his internal beliefs were. Or as he said, he never meant to hurt anybody.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/us/nfl-jon-gruden-homophobic-misogynistic-emails-spt/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.

Roger Pontius Goodell is washing his hands of him, to provide the illusion that the NFL gives a crap.






 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.

Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.

No, Ham, if he sounded like an average football coach, then this would have come out about other Washington coaches during the investigation.

It wasn't one letter. It wasn't just 10 years ago. And it is not typical, no matter how much you want to excuse it.

Quote
The Times said the emails were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, over a seven-year period, causing many to question why he was allowed to stay in his role for so long. Allen was fired by the organization in December 2019.

Yes, the Commissioner is a hypocrite in this regard. He knew, but wouldn't have said a thing had the info not been leaked.

I'm sure he didn't mean to hurt anybody, either.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 12, 2021, 12:05:57 PM
Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.

Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.
It is worth noting that coaches have been fired for using that type of terminology to their teams before.

And yes, Forrest defends his fellow racists and bigots. But I guarantee that if Gruden had made antisemitic remarks jn addition to the racist and homophobic ones Forrest would suddenly have found virtue in wokeness.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 09:55:38 AM
The cultural revolution continues.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMAu-uhWVwk4c7dKGi2kiTYqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPvTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMAu-uhWVwk4c7dKGi2kiTYqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowocv1CjCSptoCMPvTpgU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 10:08:04 AM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 11:56:31 AM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 11:59:42 AM
Brett Favre, welfare cheat:

https://sports.yahoo.com/brett-favre-still-owes-mississippi-828-k-in-welfare-money-state-auditor-says-234222745.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/brett-favre-still-owes-mississippi-828-k-in-welfare-money-state-auditor-says-234222745.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 12:01:20 PM

Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.

Apples and stones.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2021, 12:52:52 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?
The bias of not being a racist dick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 01:54:20 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?

Don't be coy.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 01:57:09 PM
Gee, he sounds like an average football coach, where everyone is the enemy, unless they're on your team.

Sounds like Ham is yet again being an apologist for bigotry.
It is worth noting that coaches have been fired for using that type of terminology to their teams before.

And yes, Forrest defends his fellow racists and bigots. But I guarantee that if Gruden had made antisemitic remarks jn addition to the racist and homophobic ones Forrest would suddenly have found virtue in wokeness.

No "defense" was offered. As usual, your default mechanism of "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" has been falsely deployed.

My condemnation is regarding average football coaches who ARE well-known to be the kind of people with whom YOU would not want to hang out.

you may now return to your day-job of lies, distortion of others' views, and rewriting history, Mao.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 02:00:49 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?

Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person.  Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.

Or let me ask you a question.  Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Why are you requiring a checking in from HamilSam on this issue?  Isnt it obvious everyone agrees that Grruden leaving is proper - unless they say it isnt?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?

Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person.  Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.

Or let me ask you a question.  Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?

It was the best thing for the employer to do.

What is popular isn't always right, and what is right isn't always popular.

So, yes, it was. the right thing do in that he was essentially rendered useless to the organization.

However, given that he was offered no employee assistance program to become, like you, a better person, maybe it wasn't so right.

If he had a drug and alcohol or gambling addiction problem, he wouldn't get fired, he'd get treatment for this malady.

So, given he has to learn to be a better person, in order to be considered moral enough to send people out on to a field to risk life, limb, and permanent injury for our entertainment, I believe an opportunity was missed by the organization to keep his skills in play for them, while helping him learn to be a better individual.

But that wasn't offered. Instead he was asked to walk the plank and he was fed to the holier-than-thou crowd AKA the sports media.

As usual, these are not either/or things, but in a world where wins and losses are all that matter, he lost, and the organization lost.

You can figure out who wins.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 02:25:18 PM
Why are you requiring a checking in from HamilSam on this issue?  Isnt it obvious everyone agrees that Grruden leaving is proper - unless they say it isnt?

He just wants to understand.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
I dont think any of us know what was offered.

Gruden was embarrassed - he didnt want a circus - he has enough money - he resigned.

What we could discuss -

does any morals clause include past transgression?

Would JG have been entitled to some type of buyout?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 02:48:48 PM
Of course we don't know "what was offered".  My question was whether Ham would have offered sensitivity training in lieu of dismissal.  To make Gruden a better person.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 03:07:39 PM
Would you?

Was Gruden dismissed?

HamilSam's thoughts here might be directed more at the so-called thought police so prevalent in today's USA.  They pick and choose who to attack.

Life Wreckers United
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 03:12:58 PM
So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?

What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?

I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.

From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.

So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.

I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.

Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 03:25:10 PM
Would you?

Was Gruden dismissed?

HamilSam's thoughts here might be directed more at the so-called thought police so prevalent in today's USA.  They pick and choose who to attack.

Life Wreckers United
I would have fired Gruden.  He beat me to it by resigning.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?

What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?

I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.

From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.

So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.

I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.

Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
Your clearly written opinion does not appear to answer my simple question as to what you would have done if you were the Raiders' boss.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
Not even Gruden has spent much time defending himself.

Who is defending him?

I'm just showing how the world has changed.

Maybe if you put aside your own biases, you could see that.


Still Wondering what Goodwill, who let Kraft skate, is going to do about Snyder, though.
What "biases" might those be?

Don't be coy.
I want to be a better person.  Please tell me how my "biases" are preventing from me accepting that you were merely making a "times have changed" observation.

Or let me ask you a question.  Do you think Gruden being removed from job (even if he did the removing) because of his comments was the correct thing to do?

It was the best thing for the employer to do.

What is popular isn't always right, and what is right isn't always popular.

So, yes, it was. the right thing do in that he was essentially rendered useless to the organization.

However, given that he was offered no employee assistance program to become, like you, a better person, maybe it wasn't so right.

If he had a drug and alcohol or gambling addiction problem, he wouldn't get fired, he'd get treatment for this malady.

So, given he has to learn to be a better person, in order to be considered moral enough to send people out on to a field to risk life, limb, and permanent injury for our entertainment, I believe an opportunity was missed by the organization to keep his skills in play for them, while helping him learn to be a better individual.

But that wasn't offered. Instead he was asked to walk the plank and he was fed to the holier-than-thou crowd AKA the sports media.

As usual, these are not either/or things, but in a world where wins and losses are all that matter, he lost, and the organization lost.

You can figure out who wins.
It is a really fine line between painting Gruden as a victim and defending him, Forrest. So fine that it does not exist. He was a victim of himself, not the sports media.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 04:18:36 PM
does any morals clause include past transgression?

Would JG have been entitled to some type of buyout?

The Commish doesn't care what the clauses say. He has all power.

And if he was possibly but not obviously entitled to a buyout, trying to get it would have resulted in the circus he was seeking to avoid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 04:34:19 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/sport/gruden-raiders-history-race-blake-cec/index.html

A piece about why Gruden's hiring and firing were ironic for the Raiders.

(I didn't know that about Plunkett!)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 05:26:41 PM
So if you were in charge of the Raiders you would have offered him sensitivity training?

What's with rewording my clearly written opinion?

I don't know what was offered to him, I just think that if the goal is to arrest the plague of disfunctional activities in the workplace, that the thinking has to be more about education than punishment.

From wikipedia: A hard-throwing left-hander, Howe was the Rookie of the Year in 1980, saved the clinching game of the 1981 World Series, and was an All-Star in 1982. However, his career was derailed by problems with alcohol and cocaine abuse. He was suspended seven times by Major League Baseball for drug-policy violations, and in 1992 he received a lifetime ban from baseball that he was able to overturn with an appeal. After each disciplinary action, he returned to show flashes of his former brilliance. He died in a single-vehicle accident in 2006, after which an autopsy identified the presence of methamphetamine in his system.

So, there was no EAP for Mr. Howe in those days, like there is today. The culture was changed from within, and the result is that today, when players have substance abuse issues or even domestic violence issues, they get help.

I don't see why the greater public (ie, the left and the sports media) doesn't embrace an EAP for the kinds of behavior that Gruden and others have shown, other than politics and money, but mostly money---which act as the usual barometer(s) for morality in pro sports.

Think Gruden would have been personally better off with emersion in a learning experience about his biases sponsored by his employers and the league or by the self-suspension?
Your clearly written opinion does not appear to answer my simple question as to what you would have done if you were the Raiders' boss.

You haven't answered my question here, either.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 05:27:15 PM
Interesting piece:

https://deadspin.com/bucs-remove-gruden-from-ring-of-honor-yet-leave-antoni-1847854274 (https://deadspin.com/bucs-remove-gruden-from-ring-of-honor-yet-leave-antoni-1847854274)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 06:19:30 PM
I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 07:54:52 PM
I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way

I think they're bi.

Just like Superman.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2021, 08:01:23 PM
I have learned the hard way: you are nothing in this world if you are not respected by Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 08:25:18 PM
I would respect the Bucs more if they went the other way

I think they're bi.

Just like Superman.

Just on paper
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
You might call this guy a clown for some of his actions as Bucs coach

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McKay_(American_football)

Yep.  In the Ring of Honor.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
Mac Jones more Wuerfel than Brady

https://nesn.com/2021/10/rex-ryan-rips-peashooter-mac-jones-compares-him-to-no-name-qb/
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 07:35:04 AM
Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 07:36:37 AM
Adam Schefter confirms he is an asshole.

https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html)


And the Daily Beast details the elastic ethics of Schefter, here:. https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 10:56:20 AM
Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)

I wonder if those fines are enough to even get their attention. If I were the judge, I would likely announce a schedule of fines over the next X weeks/months with rapidly increasing figures, rather than leaving it until after their next failures to tell them, if the goal is to get the data sooner rather than later.

I am sure that the city is right that it cost them millions in revenue. I think is almost certainly true that the league ignored its own system for evaluating the moves a team might make.

I'm not sure that any of that entitles the city to any money from the NFL or from those individuals. And if I were to guess, I would say that the exact same two conditions (cost millions, ignored system) applied to how St. Louis got the Rams to begin with.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
Three card Monte with the NFL owners? Includes John Mara.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article254990567.html)

I wonder if those fines are enough to even get their attention. If I were the judge, I would likely announce a schedule of fines over the next X weeks/months with rapidly increasing figures, rather than leaving it until after their next failures to tell them, if the goal is to get the data sooner rather than later.

I am sure that the city is right that it cost them millions in revenue. I think is almost certainly true that the league ignored its own system for evaluating the moves a team might make.

I'm not sure that any of that entitles the city to any money from the NFL or from those individuals. And if I were to guess, I would say that the exact same two conditions (cost millions, ignored system) applied to how St. Louis got the Rams to begin with.

The NFL does what it wants.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 11:08:19 AM
Adam Schefter confirms he is an asshole.

https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-adam-schefter-step-too-far-emails-ex-wft-president-nfl-215632717.html)


And the Daily Beast details the elastic ethics of Schefter, here:. https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)

Did the email to "Mr. Editor" include an original of the subsequently published story that would allow folks to see how or if it changed? Even if it didn't, that doesn't make the apparent offer to allow Allen to dictate changes right, but it might change how I saw things, especially if there had been a note back from Allen that suggested changes that were then not made!

I would guess that at least the return email from Allen exists, if not the original version of the story. It would be interesting to see.

I don't have an ethical problem with AS' allowing folks to pay him $3k for the right to sit next to him during a game, if he can get it.

The rest of it is beyond sketchy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 12:07:40 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10014773-brett-favre-asked-to-repay-828k-in-welfare-money-illegally-received-and-spent

Speaking of sketchy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 04:21:40 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10014773-brett-favre-asked-to-repay-828k-in-welfare-money-illegally-received-and-spent

Speaking of sketchy.

The article or Favre?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 05:32:43 PM
Thu. 10/14 8:20 pm. Bucs -7 at Philly. 52.  Bucs 34-24
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2021, 10:31:49 AM

Kid why did you delete your post about " how easy it was to pick the over"?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 12:05:11 PM
Anyone see the refs blocking for TB12, last night?

Guess they're no longer concerned about displaying their overt favoritism.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 03:31:50 PM
Hmm

Ertz to Cardinals

Can he play this week?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 15, 2021, 06:16:24 PM
Hmm

Ertz to Cardinals

Can he play this week?
No.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
Gotta give it to the guy, he's always ready to suit up and play and he's always Ertz.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 16, 2021, 06:49:37 PM

Kid why did you delete your post about " how easy it was to pick the over"?

More unwillingness to explain anything.

Probably because he's an embarrassment to himself.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 04:22:34 AM
Sunday, Oct. 17, 9:30 AM Dolphins -3.5 Jax 45.5   Miami, 24-20

Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Indy -10 Texans 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Packers -4.5 Chic 45
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Chiefs -6.5 Wash 55.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Carolina -1 Vikes 46
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Balt -3 Chargers 50.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Detroit 48
Sunday, Oct. 17, 1:00 PM Rams -10.5 NYG 47

Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:05 PM Cleve -2.5 Cards 50
Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:25 PM Denver -3 Raiders 44.5
Sunday, Oct. 17, 4:25 PM Cowboys -4.5 NE 49.5

Sunday, Oct. 17, 8:20 PM Pitt -5 Seahawks 42.5
Monday, Oct. 18, 8:15 PM Bills -5.5 TN 54
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 10:17:24 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo

Week 5 Minn.

Week 6 Indy
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 10:21:23 AM
I took the Phins -3 1/2 in my pool.

lost on TB on Thursday.

Like kid I thought that was a gimme at 28-7

funny game

nose barely above water

Phins do ok under water

I don't

swim Flipper, swim
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 10:44:03 AM
Yeah, that was rough (TB "collapse" to loss v spread)

Just my second miscue here.

(5-2)

I will likely pick the Sunday  and Monday nighters this week.  Feel pretty good about Pittsburgh and Buffalo
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 10:46:32 AM
Your Indy game -

Not sure why but experts are telling me to not play Wentz in fantasy (going with Heineke in my junior league).

Low score?  May not be to your benefit - but 10 point (expected) cushion helps
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 10:53:21 AM
May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man

Whisk has

J Hurts -     27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D

Kid has -

L Jackson  (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D


With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
Yeah, that was rough (TB "collapse" to loss v spread)

Just my second miscue here.

(5-2)

I will likely pick the Sunday  and Monday nighters this week.  Feel pretty good about Pittsburgh and Buffalo

That backdoor slammed a lot of fingers counting money in the 3rd qtr.

rookie mistakes

LMAO

I've no idea what your 5-2 refers to, but by most accounting standards based on fact, you were 0-2 on Thursday.



Re Indy- this was a tough KO week, and Indy was mostly a pick on Houston losing.

Almost went with GB, KC or LAR
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
Tua is NOT surviving this game.  WOW!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 11:41:49 AM
I've no idea what your 5-2 refers to, but by most accounting standards based on fact, you were 0-2 on Thursday.



shhhh......
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 11:59:03 AM
Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks

funniest post this week is

Just my second miscue here.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Mr Khan not looking happy with Urban Myer as they pass on FG that would put Jags up 7.

Now Fins back on the move
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2021, 12:08:50 PM
Tua is NOT surviving this game.  WOW!

He may not survive, but his team seems to be ahead atm.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
Funniest rating this week is BEN ROETHLISBERGER at #19 QB vs Seahawks

funniest post this week is

Just my second miscue here.


First spread loss was Seattle-Rams

Lets see if we can get a FG here for the Miami cover
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:35:46 PM
Miami coach Flores thinking.....maybe I should go for this.

Maybe he should have.

Credit T Lawrence.  And Meyer for putting confidence in kicker.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:38:22 PM
Flores icing his QB.  Run run run again. 

Lets go - Tua to Waddle for third score is MONEY.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
This guy cant fuckin coach
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
URBAN LEGEND!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 17, 2021, 01:21:45 PM
Daniel Jones drives me nervous.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 17, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
Field Marshall Fumble.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 02:17:59 PM
Daniel Jones drives me nervous.

Danny Drops.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 17, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
Bum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
heh

Not such a good half for NYG...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 03:14:19 PM
Losing 5 more games as things stand - rough week


(edit - KC takes lead - may yet get that one at -6.5.  Go, Tyreek)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 03:17:43 PM
Actually played Darrel Williams over Elliott in my junior league.  67 total yards and a TD.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 03:46:25 PM
4th and 8 at midfield down 2 scores to KC - 10 minutes left

Coach:  "Punt it"


Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
Damn.  Nearly got the Carolina impossible comeback.

Darnold goes 98 yards and gets the 6 + 2 to tie

Defense was just spent.  Good job by Cousins with the OT TD.

Turned the KC game at least ....

hedging on Steelers tonight - think I will stay away.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2021, 05:48:43 PM
Just bet then delete if it does not work out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
Just bet then delete if it does not work out.

its the kid carter parlay!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
that was a weirdly entertaining first half where it felt the Pats should be down 3 scores, but they're leading.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 06:27:18 PM
Just bet then delete if it does not work out.

Maybe you have....

not here
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 06:37:23 PM
went for the reverse Gruden play and its biting me in the ass

Broncos are a bunch of gay negro jew cocksuckers!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Pats are facing too much talent. Coaching can only cover up so much.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
Just bet then delete if it does not work out.

Maybe you have....

not here
I have made clear: I do not bet.  That way I do not have to lie when I lose one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Belli claims another coaching victim

Wow.

Nice job by Pats D - and a key holding call, My God.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:18:00 PM
C'mon, Mac - get er done.....




edit -   DOH!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:20:33 PM
Still..............


C'mon, Mac, get er done....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:22:44 PM
ROOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:38:22 PM
2 great throws by Prescott save his teammates' bacon (for now)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 07:54:11 PM
Great QB

And a valiant newbie

Good game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2021, 07:56:38 PM
that was a fun game

but damn

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on October 17, 2021, 08:08:28 PM
I guess grabbing a receivers face mask isn't a penalty in OT
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man

Whisk has

J Hurts -     27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D

Kid has -

L Jackson  (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D


With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.

SMOKED

Good show, Whisk.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 17, 2021, 10:05:29 PM
I got more points from Jackson throwing to Andrews than Jackson got throwing to everyone.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 18, 2021, 02:54:57 AM
May as well post the matchup between Kid and Whisk - for first place today in Iron Man

Whisk has

J Hurts -     27
Diggs
K Allen
A Jones
Jacobs
Andrews (TE)
C Lamb (flex)
T Bass (K)
LA Rams D

Kid has -

L Jackson  (over Rodgers)
T Hill
Claypool (bench McLaurin)
N Harris
Hunt
D Schultz (TE)
M Brown (flex)
Carlson (K)
Dallas D


With 3 points loss on McLaurin benching the computer says 143-140 in favor of Priest.

SMOKED

Good show, Whisk.
Well the computer shows a 1% chance that between them Diggs and Bass will score - 22 points. "So you're saying there's a chance..."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 11:47:53 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949484-steelers-keep-winning-but-pittsburgh-has-a-ben-roethlisberger-problem
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 03:12:41 PM
Oooooooo...

Killer hit piece.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
Thursday, Oct. 21, 8:20 PM Cleve -3.5 Broncos 42.5    Broncos 20-17

Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Balt -6 Bengals 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Panthers -3 NYG 43
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM GB -9.5 WFT 49
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5.5 TN 56.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM Falcons -2.5 Miami 47.5
Sunday, Oct. 24, 1:00 PM NE -7 Jets 42.5

Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:05 PM LAR -15 Lions 50
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:05 PM LV -3 Eagles 49
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:25 PM TB -12.5 Bears 47
Sunday, Oct. 24, 4:25 PM AZ -18.5 Texans 47.5

Sunday, Oct. 24, 8:20 PM SF -3.5 Colts 44
Monday, Oct. 25, 8:15 PM Saints -5 Seattle 43.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:10:24 AM
Was choosing between Darnold and Mac Jones this week in fantasy - secondary league.  Not real competitive so pick may not matter much.  Replacing Heineke (Russel W on IR).  Winston, Wentz, Goff also available

Good job by Whisk to grab D Johnson for last night - guy was a beast.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 23, 2021, 06:34:29 AM
Was choosing between Darnold and Mac Jones this week in fantasy - secondary league.  Not real competitive so pick may not matter much.  Replacing Heineke (Russel W on IR).  Winston, Wentz, Goff also available

Good job by Whisk to grab D Johnson for last night - guy was a beast.
He has given them quality carries every time they have needed him in the past. Supposedly he went undrafted because he ran a 4.8 on his pro day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 11:46:32 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo

Week 5 Minn.

Week 6 Indy

Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.

1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46


EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 23, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Went with Patriots D this week for what that's worth.  Good luck.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 03:48:42 PM
Went with Patriots D this week for what that's worth.  Good luck.

I imagine that BB went nuts this week on his D and his coaches after their no-show poor effort against the Cowboys last week.

I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football, but I expect a far better effort against the Jets.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 23, 2021, 06:19:08 PM
I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football



Sure you do

Looks like we agree on the play.  I am sure you will bet Pats this week.  I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 06:27:00 PM
I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football



Sure you do

Looks like we agree on the play.  I am sure you will bet Pats this week.  I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score

Your mind-reading sucks.

I've already pointed this out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 23, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
Shit - if they lose and go 2-5?

My God...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 06:40:33 PM
I've no idea whether they provide value or not in fantasy football



Sure you do

Looks like we agree on the play.  I am sure you will bet Pats this week.  I am expecting 2 turnovers 3 sacks minimum and maybe a defensive score

I've never played fantasy football and have no idea what the value, absolute or relative, the Pats D renders to you.

its not how I approach the analysis of a football game.

Last week on an absolute basis, the Pats D was terrible against the Cowboys. They presented no value as far as real football was concerned.

This week you seem excited about them.

My hope is that they play a lot better against a far less talented Jets offense, after what was likely an intense week of practice and brow beating by BB and staff.

But what you had to pay for them is unknown to me, or if they were cheap (ie relative value) which allowed you to pick a better QB or running back or whatever calculations you have to make in putting together a fantasy team.

btw, I would also expect better special team play, as so far this year, it has been horrendous.

And as you know I tend not to bet against the Pats as I like rooting for them. 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
No cost for New England

Dallas is on a bye

Also could have selected Tampa Carolina New Orleans or a few others
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
No cost for New England

Dallas is on a bye

Also could have selected Tampa Carolina New Orleans or a few others

There is opportunity cost.

As you remain as tight lipped as to your reasoning I can only guess why you prefer the Pats D to some of the other/better Ds you could have picked.

If I was playing fantasy football and looking for relative value in DEFENSE I would also look at the opponent's offense and in this case we have some history to guide us.

Wilson had a miserable game against the Pats first time around, being picked 3 or 4 times. Whether he learned from that experience or will be victimized again is a guess. But I expect a motivated and angry Pats D will not make it easy for the Jets or Wilson today.

So far this year the Pats tend to play to their opponents level, which is a mark of a poorly coached team. They lost tough games to two of the better teams in the NFC, (Bucs, Boys) games that could have been won, with slightly better play, or more aggressive coaching/risk taking.

Again on the assumption of a motivated and angry team and a team winless at home, the Pats play a better game today against a weak Jets team.

The Jets are also facing a rookie QB and an evolving offense, so the uncertainty of performance should be high.  But Bama Mac has shown a temperament and a skill set that seems to indicate he might be a pretty good pro QB, game manager variety (now)

I expect a low scoring defensive-oriented type game with the Pats winning a two-score type game. 

Pats 24

Jets 10

Good luck

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
Jets seem to think this is the bye week.

They better perk up or there will be some searing hot takes by Boomer and Carton and Evan to deal with!

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 02:27:03 PM
What's happening in that Titans/Chiefs game!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
I asked a similar question at a similar time in the Pats game thread.

Didn't get an answer.

It seems the Chiefs did not remember the Titans game plan.

I had Tenn at +5.5, but didn't figure this, also didn't figure the Bengals would kick the stuffing out of the Ravens.


Speaking of game plan, Josh went to a heavy dose of early trickeration against the hapless and increasingly hopeless Jets.

The Bama Bomba had a good game

But it was the Jets.

Ugly game for them.


Got Tampa Tom for the 2nd game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 05:13:42 PM
TB12 throws for a 600th TD

amazing.

IMO he not stopping until he passes Bonds 762

Gretsky's 894 may be unobtainable
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 05:23:39 PM
TB12 throws for a 600th TD

amazing.

He's just a system quarterback. (Nobody else can use the same system as well, though.)

It's because the rules changes protect him so much (even if they don't protect others as well).

Modern times. More opportunity. The refs protect him more. TB must be cheating now, or he would not do as well.

(The sounds of the world's saddest song being played on the world's smallest violin can be heard as the Brady haters and dismissers are raised in objection to Brady's accomplishments.)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 06:48:57 PM
NFL's "What we learned" section today had an amusement!

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2021, 07:40:48 PM
Congrats to Tom.

Not really a great day for him though

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 09:03:32 PM
Congrats to Tom.

Not really a great day for him though

From a fantasy perspective?

He won.

He threw 4 TD no pics

He was up 35-3 at the half.

He became the only QB to ever throw for 600 TDs.

His wife and kids got to see him do it.

Sounds like a day most pro QBs would like to have.

Curious-what QB had the best fantasy stats today?

 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2021, 10:07:27 PM
Three way tie in our league  - Tua, Stafford, Burrow

Brady was 4th.  Then Rodgers.  Then Murray.

TD passes under ten yards should be 2 points less, I believe.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 10:21:19 PM
Congrats to Tom.

Not really a great day for him though

Only finished 4th for fantasy, when out for so much of the 2nd half. Only threw four touchdowns in the first half.

Yeah, "not really a great day for him."

You should have such not really great days, at any age.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2021, 10:24:06 PM
Missed 16 throws

Didnt hit much down field, thus low YPA
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 09:14:56 AM
Missed 16 throws

Didnt hit much down field, thus low YPA

He also gave a young child with cancer a memory that hopefully that fan will tell his children about.

Brady had a good day.

You still riding Danny Dimes to fantasy glory?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 10:40:00 AM
Nah...

But I probably could be.

Good idea though - maybe I will slot Jones into my Russ Wilson-Heineke-Darnold league. 

You should be killing me for taking Sam over Mac in my junior league yesterday (fortunately still won my game)

Good job with Cards - go for that cash, yo!  Hope our not having confidence in Mac vs (cough) Jets doesnt come back to bite you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
Kid

I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes

I don't follow fantasy #s, curious how did the Pats D rank yesterday?

They played mad and motivated as I thought they might.

Was surprised though at how bad/unprepared Jets D was.

Mac and Josh McD took advantage.

as for the KO pool, as of Friday about 1/2 the pool was gone.

I'll get the results tomorrow.

Ravens may have KOed some.

Didn't see that blow out coming.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 11:19:30 AM
Brady resurgence

Checked out the NFL passer ratings

Tom was 4th, 2nd, 3rd in league with Patriots from 2015-2017

Fell in 2018-19 to 12th, then 18th - could be Pats looked a bit at analytics when making the change

Last 2 years with Bucs see Tom at #9 - and now the current #6 in NFL.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 11:25:36 AM
I don't follow fantasy #s, curious how did the Pats D rank yesterday?


Below Tampa, for sure.  Heh.

Well, I was looking for what - 3 sacks and 2 turnovers?

Got 2 and 3, respectively - and a low points against - just no defensive score

They outscored their projection - which is the key to the game - making such a pick.

Tampa
Tennessee
Giants
Green Bay
New England fifth
AZ
Indy

Interesting - the top 4 are currently unowned defenses.  So the top FIVE from this week were available for any team to grab.

note:  New O and SEA still to play
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 11:29:27 AM
I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes



Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
 
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 11:31:04 AM
Quote
Fell in 2018-19 to 12th, then 18th - could be Pats looked a bit at analytics when making the change

I think they looked at his drivers license and DOB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 11:36:07 AM
I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes



Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
 
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa

I saw some #s earlier today ranking the highly touted rookie QBs by several stats and Mac thus far is ranked the highest.

Its still early, but so far and considering his modest No-line, he has performed pretty well on a very steep learning curve.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 11:38:16 AM
Anyway - re:  D Jones

I still have little doubt he is the franchise guy for NYG.

Didnt see the game yesterday, cant comment on current form
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2021, 11:39:16 AM
Tampa has an incredibly EASY schedule.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 11:41:45 AM
I just remembered your post about riding Danny Dimes



Jones is six notches below M Jones in passer rating
 
EQUAL in yards per attempt, at 7.2 (Herbert as well, 19th in league)

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/passing/2021/regular-season?sort=passypa

I saw some #s earlier today ranking the highly touted rookie QBs by several stats and Mac thus far is ranked the highest.

Its still early, but so far and considering his modest No-line, he has performed pretty well on a very steep learning curve.

Yeah - Fields is BURIED. (addendum:  Zack Wilson as well) Lawrence still has a chance to recoup a season, statistically.  Funny though - he is not far off from where Burrow was last year.

I like Lawerence.  Havent seen enough of Fields.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
I just took a quick look at the schedule and the Clemson kid has back to back late season games @ Jets and @ Pats.

But he's got a string of games coming up against some decent Ds that may test him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2021, 09:40:28 PM
Pitchers duel tonight, with the Saints winning in the top of the 9th.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2021, 09:47:20 PM
Joe Flacco is back with the J-E-T-S.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/10/25/joe-flacco-trade-new-york-jets-philadelphia-eagles/8545047002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/10/25/joe-flacco-trade-new-york-jets-philadelphia-eagles/8545047002/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 10:06:04 PM
Good trade.

Newton was the better move.  Not sure if he'd have signed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2021, 10:24:00 PM
Good trade.

Newton was the better move.  Not sure if he'd have signed.

You should just propose to him, already.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 09:32:26 AM
Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben.  Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.

Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
 
Good trade.

Newton was the better move.  Not sure if he'd have signed.

You should just propose to him, already.

Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 10:58:24 AM
Good trade.

Newton was the better move.  Not sure if he'd have signed.

You should just propose to him, already.

Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.

Nah - they know now that cat didnt really want to play
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on October 26, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
Flacco back with the Jets. The greatest of all time!! Let the winning begin😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 26, 2021, 12:32:08 PM
Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben.  Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.

Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
That is fucking stupid. Keenum is being paid 6 mil for exactly the opposite reason. The Browns are spending more money on the QB position because analytics views it as vital to the team success to have a quality backup  because if you do not that one injury alone.can sink your team. Keenum is being paid to do precisely what he did Thursday: provide acceptable play for a few games when the starter goes down. They do not view him as anything more. Did whatever idiot said that watch the game Thursday? The Browns won on running the ball and short passing. How long do you think that is going to be winning in the NFL? How long before the inability to take the top off pushes the safeties up and smothers both the running game and the short game?

The Browns may well wind up moving on from Baker, but not now and sure the Hell not for Keenum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
Good trade.

Newton was the better move.  Not sure if he'd have signed.

You should just propose to him, already.

Surprised you're not upset they didn't go get Kaepernick.

If he can still play even as well as Cam, I would be surprised.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 01:27:02 PM
Morning ESPN guys figuring Newton to Steelers on a 2 year deal would be wise - as a takeover for a year guy for Ben.  Figuring cost would be a good value - citing Case Keenum and Browns at 6 mil per - and how good that is looking.

Not keeping Baker becoming a possibility - goes the reasoning - as money can be kept to pay other key guys whose deals are up.
That is fucking stupid. Keenum is being paid 6 mil for exactly the opposite reason. The Browns are spending more money on the QB position because analytics views it as vital to the team success to have a quality backup  because if you do not that one injury alone.can sink your team. Keenum is being paid to do precisely what he did Thursday: provide acceptable play for a few games when the starter goes down. They do not view him as anything more. Did whatever idiot said that watch the game Thursday? The Browns won on running the ball and short passing. How long do you think that is going to be winning in the NFL? How long before the inability to take the top off pushes the safeties up and smothers both the running game and the short game?

The Browns may well wind up moving on from Baker, but not now and sure the Hell not for Keenum.

Their opinion is that a game manager like Keenum - given the rest of their roster - with re-signs that would not be possible if Baker stays - can win - yes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 01:33:07 PM
The 13-3 Vikings of 2017 went away from Keenum (11-3 as a starter) and have been rewarded by the big money Kirk Cousins, who has gone 28-24 since then.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 26, 2021, 02:11:11 PM
The 13-3 Vikings of 2017 went away from Keenum (11-3 as a starter) and have been rewarded by the big money Kirk Cousins, who has gone 28-24 since then.
How.dix Keenum do the next year? How about Nick Foles after the Super Bowl? Back ups, even quality backups, are backups for a reason.  Before you commit your team to one you better make damn sure you know what that reason is. The Browns have a ton of experience with inadequate QBs, and elevated back ups.

A running game does not work if the defense does not respect the deep ball. Mayfield may not be the answer, but the answer is not "get cheap on the QB position." When is the last time a team won a Super Bowl with a budget game manager QB playing the majority of the year? The 2000 Ravens? Give me that defense and, yeah, maybe.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
We will never know how a 2018 Keenum would have fared with Vikings
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
Keenum threw 33 times Sunday - for 7 yards per attempt
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
The defenders of the move away from Keenum state how he couldnt beat a Philly team that Brady ended up dicing

Well, sure - OK....

And that he is an inch or 2 shorter than Cousins.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 28, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
Week 8


Thursday, Oct. 28, 8:20 PM AZ -6 Packers 51   Arizona  31-24

Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Buffalo -13.5 Dolphins 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Atlanta -2.5 Panthers 46
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Eagles -3 Detroit 48.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Titans -1 Indy 49
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Rams -14.5 Houston 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Bengals -10 NYJ 43
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM Cleveland -3.5 Steelers 42.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1:00 PM 49ers -3 Chicago 39.5

Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:05 PM Seattle -3 Jags 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:05 PM LAC -5.5 Pats 48
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:25 PM Denver -3 WFT 43.5
Sunday, Oct. 31, 4:25 PM Bucs -5 NO 50

Sunday, Oct. 31, 8:20 PM Cowboys -2.5 MN 55
Monday, Nov. 1, 8:15 PM KC -10 Giants 52.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2021, 11:31:51 AM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo

Week 5 Minn.

Week 6 Indy

Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.

1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46


EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona

week 8-Cincy or LA Rams leaning Cincy

WEEK 8- Cinn

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
Jets and their newbie QB putting up a good fight.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
KO Pool

wk 1 SF
wk 2 CLV

Week 3 Denver

KO Pool

Week 4 Buffalo

Week 5 Minn.

Week 6 Indy

Week 7 narrowed it down to Cards or Pats, leaning Cards, but there may be no better week to use the Pats, got some new found free time so I may do some next level coin flipping this week.

1 game under in my ATS pool, but that puts me in 3rd place, 1 game behind the 2-co-leaders @ 47-46


EDIT KO POOL WEEK 7 Arizona

week 8-Cincy or LA Rams leaning Cincy

WEEK 8- Cinn
I chose poorly.
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on October 31, 2021, 04:42:43 PM
How do you lose to the Jets
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 04:53:45 PM
How do you lose to the Jets

One play at a time.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
Beautiful day in Pittsburgh

Colts Bengals Browns lose, as will LAC or NE.  Possibly even KC tomorrow

Hooooot!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
Nice win, Pats.

----

So, how do you play this if you are Sean Payton?  1st and goal at the TB 10.  2 minute warning.  Down 1 point.  Brady waiting to take the ball if you score.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 07:46:24 PM
How do you lose to the Jets

I couldn't come up with an answer either.

then it came to me.

don't tug on Superman's cape

don't spit into the wind

don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger

But take the JETS on Halloween 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
good win for the Pats in LA

they're coming along
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 01, 2021, 09:50:33 AM
Sad, sad case continues...

https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/colin-kaepernick-compares-nfl-tactics-to-slavery-in-netflix-special/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR32GNynDOM0clWqynAYuGFlXbV1OZI2do4avVmqb1me73tDyIz4XJ8qN8o
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 01, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
When are you leaving for SOSH?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 10:21:39 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/sport/calvin-ridley-mental-wellbeing-atlanta-falcons-spt-intl/index.html

Time for Ham to mock Calvin Ridley.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2021, 12:05:56 PM
Big game for the G-men and Danny Dimes tonight against the wounded and surprisingly vulnerable Chiefs in Arrowhead.

No night off from the chop.

But who will be doing the chopping the G-Men's D or rabid Chief fans?

chiefs are -10 and I got them as covering.

(still treading slightly underwater in my ATS pool, but luckily I'm standing on the shoulders of others and in the #2 spot)

I got time to switch so convince me Sons of Sam Huff, should I?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 01, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
Absolutely
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2021, 07:08:51 PM
kid presents a compelling and thorough analysis per usual.

But I think I'm going to stay put despite kid's detailed game break down.

No lie, I've changed 4 picks in the past few weeks just before the kick and I've gone 0-4.

So I feel snake bit.

Chiefs need to win or might inexplicably miss the post-season.

And they have to be slightly motivated after last weeks no show against Tenn.

line KC -10, o/u 52.5

Chiefs 38

G-Men 20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2021, 08:30:22 PM
Downnnn goes Bianca BelAir!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2021, 11:11:37 PM
Chiefs might win this game, but they are a fucking disaster

They've left about 17 pts on the field.

Lets see how they fuck this up
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
https://thespun.com/nfl/look-cam-newton-ex-teammate-sends-blunt-message
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
https://thespun.com/nfl/look-cam-newton-ex-teammate-sends-blunt-message

"Proven ballers are at home because of politics."

Funny, others have uttered that sentiment here before.

I don't know if politics is why Cam is not playing, but there are QBs out there who are not as good as Cam, and I don't think Cam is very good.

But what I really love about the article is Boston supporting Newton.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 12:57:36 PM
New info being that Cam is not vaccinated - so takes that away as a possible reason

----

Reminds me...

Hearing Rui Hachimura (that's a BASKETBALL player, Barton) is in town, in the arena, "working out on his own". just not playing games - for what they are calling a PERSONAL matter

Could it be RUI is not willing to play alongside the unvaccinated Brad Beal?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 01:07:15 PM
Kapernick eulogy, by Whitlock (first fifteen minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYcoB75UHo
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
Holy Rashad McCants (if you continue to watch the entire podcast)

"These guys don't wanna be MEN,  They wanna impress FEMALES (by going to hair salon, nail salon...) so that the female can feel that they have another FEMALE.  C'mon, guys - you gonna be men, BE men.  Don't be little BITCHES."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 05:10:55 PM
Chiefs might win this game, and they are not more than a couple tweaks away from being back to prominence



Fixed
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 03, 2021, 12:10:23 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/10/31/colin-kaepernick-compares-nfl-tactics-to-slavery-in-netflix-special/


LOL
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 03, 2021, 12:47:33 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-aaron-rodgers-unvaccinated-positive-covid-19-chiefs

Chiefs just got lucky.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 03, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Packers will have egg on their face if LOVE doesnt look at least half decent.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2021, 04:17:09 PM
Packers will have egg on their face if LOVE doesnt look at least half decent.

Aaron's a dope.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
Aaron Rodgers is a lying, deceitful dope.

https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-aaron-rodgers-covid-lied-210942065.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-aaron-rodgers-covid-lied-210942065.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2021, 04:17:51 PM
So, "others" thought Rodgers was vaccinated - even though he never said he was?

I don't think so.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
So, "others" thought Rodgers was vaccinated - even though he never said he was?

I don't think so.

He said he was immunized. That is misleading at best, and lying to most people.

Fuck him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2021, 04:45:46 PM
Only a fool would have thought he was vaccinated

Were you in that company?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 05:58:21 PM
Only a fool would have thought he was vaccinated

Were you in that company?

He was asked DIRECTLY if he was vacxed. He said he was immunized.

He was t.

He fucked up.

Hi can stop trying to and others for his deceit.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2021, 09:42:56 PM
Week 9

Thursday, Nov. 4, 8:20 PM Indy -10.5 Jets 46.5

Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Miami -6.5 Texans 46
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Dallas -10 Broncos 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Vikes 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Pats -4 Carolina 41.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Bills -14.5 Jax 49
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Cincy -3 Browns 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM Raiders -3 NYG 46.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 1:00 PM NO -6 Falcons 42.5

Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:05 PM Chargers -3 Phil 50
Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:25 PM Packers -1 KC 54.5
Sunday, Nov. 7, 4:25 PM Cards -2.5 SF 46
Sunday, Nov. 7, 8:20 PM LAR -7.5 Titans 53.5

Monday, Nov. 8, 8:15 PM Pitt -6.5 Bears 40


Had 38-24 Colts tonight but I wont take credit for it
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2021, 11:49:34 PM
It looked like the back door was going to slam my and a lot of fingers.

My fingers needed a break.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 07:39:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 05, 2021, 08:12:01 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html

"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"

Oh, poor baby.

Not much of a team player, after all.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 05, 2021, 09:13:11 PM
Speaking of cancers.....OBJ
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 10:37:12 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html

"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"

Oh, poor baby.

Not much of a team player, after all.

Packers players love Rodgers

He is a FUCK YOU kind of guy but not to his mates
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 10:51:13 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html

"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"

Oh, poor baby.

Not much of a team player, after all.

Media doesnt play

No way to exact revenge
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 05, 2021, 11:06:14 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/sport/aaron-rodgers-packers/index.html

"disappointed with the treatment he's been receiving in the media"

Oh, poor baby.

Not much of a team player, after all.

Packers players love Rodgers

He is a FUCK YOU kind of guy but not to his mates

He sure fucked them for the game with KC, Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 11:29:33 PM
Right

But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.

The game could mean home field, I guess.  We shall see.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 12:00:00 AM
Right

But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.

The game could mean home field, I guess.  We shall see.

"taking a stand himself"

Yes, that is my point.

He put himself ahead of the team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2021, 12:20:57 AM
Late in high school an athlete turns to advocating for himself.

And can still be a great teammate.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 12:51:44 AM
Late in high school an athlete turns to advocating for himself.

And can still be a great teammate.

I am sure he greatly appreciates your sticking up for him. Pretty funny listening to you defend him after you savaged Kaepernick for his actions, among other athletes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 06, 2021, 02:04:47 AM
Right

But he doesnt agree with the NFL stance - and is taking a stand himself.

So his career should follow the path of Colin Kaepernick's?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 08:07:06 AM
Is Aaron Rodgers taking advice directly from Joe Rogan or is he listening to Rogan comments from before this?
https://www.axios.com/joe-rogan-walks-back-anti-vaccination-spotify-4ab56dcf-b60e-41c6-9c49-fe7f22be7d04.html

As Rogan noted, "I'm a fucking moron."

Why would somebody take medical advice from Joe Rogan?!

And why would anybody then think that following that advice was taking a principled stand?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 06, 2021, 08:16:09 AM
Joe Rogan appears to be a triumph of Capitalism. Not bright, not talented but a loud mouth and a flair for self hyphen promotion has led to millions and actual influence. Well done Joe. Well done.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2021, 10:43:35 AM
"I did not lie about my status.  I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines.  I had treatment to raise my immunity.  I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 10:55:40 AM
"I did not lie about my status.  I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines.  I had treatment to raise my immunity.  I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"

It's bullshit, Kid.

There are more than two vaccines, in case you missed the announcement.

The allergies to the two mRNA vaccines are extremely rare and are both mild and easily treated.

He made a decision that, if it proves non-injurious, is purely luck.

As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.

Spin, spin, spin.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 03:42:14 PM
Prevea Health doesn't think Rodgers' act is good for them.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/06/business/aaron-rodgers-prevea-health-covid-vaccine/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2021, 04:58:36 PM
As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.


Careful now - get the facts

Rodgers was following advice from his doctor

He is following Rogan AFTER he got the COVID
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 06, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
Careful now. Get the facts.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 06, 2021, 05:06:21 PM
As soon as he explained he was following Joe Rogan's advice he lost all credibility on this, Kid, and I don't know why you are defending him.


Careful now - get the facts

Rodgers was following advice from his doctor

He is following Rogan AFTER he got the COVID

Okay.

You, too.

Rodgers said he was following advice from his doctor.

And why you think following Rogan's advice after getting the virus is a reason to trust him now is still bizarre.

There are doctors giving bad advice about COVID, but not all that many of them.

And if he had been direct when he dodged with his "immunized" comment, he might have avoided this. And had he told the HEALTH company he's been paid to represent, they might have appreciated the heads up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2021, 01:03:56 PM
Upsets today (other than obvious Chiefs whoa re now a 7 point favorite)

Giants
Eagles
Niners

to win game - all home and short dogs.

ENJOY.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 07, 2021, 04:16:53 PM
How do you lose to the Jaguars!!!!! Though the Bills did get 3 more points than in their WC game against Jacksonville a few years back
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2021, 05:02:09 PM
Pats played a good game, and pretty much dominated Carolina.

They're becoming the D-oriented/decent running game team I had hoped for.

I thought Mac was so-so, but his running game was pretty pretty pretty good.

Darnold still sees ghosts.

I had the several dogs including the Jags (+14.5) but didn't think they were going to win.

Got whacked on Dallas and Cincy (serves me right) but this might shape up into an ok day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 07, 2021, 05:37:25 PM
What an amazingly messy game this GB/KC contest this is.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2021, 07:18:52 PM
Pack defense showed up big time

Good to see the kid with points on the board
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
Guessing Bank needs a KC score now

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
The yahoo line was locked on Thurs at KC -1.

I was good.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2021, 11:39:43 PM
Guessing Bank needs a KC score now

heh

I could have used about 3 more LAR scores.

Another strange week in the NFL

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html

Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.

The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 10:19:17 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html

Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.

The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.

We also have fuller knowledge about his not having taken the J&J vaccine. From a Saturday story I missed:
Quote
Rodgers said he did not get vaccinated because he has an allergy to an ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines and was scared about the possible side effects from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 08, 2021, 11:52:19 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/media/aaron-rodgers-state-farm-sponsorship/index.html

Sharp reduction in ads featuring Rodgers for State Farm from 25% of their ads last week to 1.5% this week. It's the woke folks' fault, says he. In addition, Rodgers says it was reporters' fault that he said he was immunized.

The story also says there are indications he had been avoiding NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, but I would guess that story is still very much brewing, either way.
So, so often, "woke" and "cancel culture" are used by people who simply want to avoid being held accountable for their words and deeds. Rogers lied about his vaccination status. Lied. And clearly ignored the unvaxxed protocols. That is why his feet are being held to the fire in a way that Wentz and Cousins, to name two other unvaxxed QBs, are not. He LIED.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/opinions/aaron-rodgers-covid-accountability-obeidallah/index.html

This story contains more of what Rodgers said in August when he intentionally spoke in such a way as to suggest he had been vaccinated, while knowing he wasn't and choosing words that would let him claim he had not lied.

"I will not judge those guys," he said of teammates who had not been vaccinated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 08, 2021, 03:44:11 PM
I think the point about "woke" in general is, that being overly woke (for example a member here thought it necessary to pontificate  Thomas Jefferson's sins as slave owner, but was woefully blind to their own sins) trivializes what's really critical about issues, and those issues get lost in the noise.

No one was perfect 10 years ago, or 50, or 250 years ago. Or today. If you see racism, sexism, or whatever ism isn't p-c, call it out, or do your best, but to focus on an ever changing p-c playbook (shit I forgot to check Brandeis' stay away from handbook) but condemning people for who they were, can't really be addressed, only creates a holier than thou, environment, a lot of resentment, and may be  self-defeating,

We should strive to be better people, but to constantly point fingers at all the transgressors, past and present, and if we are honest, there are lots of them, may prove to be counter-productive to the goals of changing how we interact as a multi-racial/ethnic/relgious/sexual identification and become a more inclusive and accepting society.

Sports hate however is ok.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 08, 2021, 03:51:10 PM
Fitst Ruggs, now this. Vegas has released its other 2020 first round draft choice, Damon Annette, because apparently being caught on video with a gun threatening to kill someone does not stay in Vegas.

<edit>Arnette it corrects, but not Fitst?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 05:04:28 PM
And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.



So true

We all are
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 08, 2021, 05:26:25 PM
And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.



So true

We all are
Kid is pushing vaccines like he has been pushing Jayson Tatum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
State Farm is keeping Rodgers?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 05:33:48 PM
And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.



So true

We all are
Kid is pushing vaccines like he has been pushing Jayson Tatum.

My entire immediate clan has been vaccinated

If anyone asks me if they should - I say YES.  But if saving others comes into it - I say no - do it to save yourself - and abide by current law if you are/are not vaccinated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 05:47:13 PM
And the notion that it's the "woke mob" that is pushing vaccinations is hilarious.



So true

We all are

Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.

And yes, only for saving yourselves, because that's the libertarian way.

Too hell with saving others.

We get it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 08, 2021, 05:51:27 PM
If anyone asks me if they should - I say YES.  But if saving others comes into it - I say no - do it to save yourself - and abide by current law if you are/are not vaccinated.

My mistake.  You must have been just kidding around when you were advocating a lawsuit from Kyrie.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 05:52:13 PM
Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.


Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 08, 2021, 05:57:00 PM
Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.


Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.

Defending personal choice is not akin to promotion of abortions.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 06:06:46 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 07:22:08 PM
Already proven that there are GOP leaders doing anything but.


Defending personal choice is not akin to non promotion of vaccines.

I gave you examples of them speaking against the vaccinations, not just against mandatory vaccinations.

But yes, pushing "personal choice" to people already opposed to the vaccines is non-promotion of vaccines. It might be pushing against them, but a lack of pushing for them is by definition not promoting them.

You're as mealy-mouthed as your hero, Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 07:52:30 PM
I do like Aaron


Over TB12


Yes.

I hope they meet this year
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 08, 2021, 09:28:29 PM
Fitst Ruggs, now this. Vegas has released its other 2020 first round draft choice, Damon Annette, because apparently being caught on video with a gun threatening to kill someone does not stay in Vegas.

<edit>Arnette it corrects, but not Fitst?
They certainly know how to pick them
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
FIFTY MONDAY NIGHT WINS!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 11:49:09 PM
One more yard and that kick goes through.

Ah well, Fields is coming along and will be a helluva QB one day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 12:23:24 AM
AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2021, 02:36:40 AM
AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN

Pretty sure it's his 51st, Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 09:51:51 AM
BEN. He's the rapist who got away with it, right?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 01:54:28 PM
Sure.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 09, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
AND FIFTY THEY SLIPPED THE REFS FOR THE BULLSHIT CALLS.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 09, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/us/aaron-rodgers-covid-19-mcafee/index.html

He continues to insist that he's doing "what's best for his body," but not taking the J&J vaccine because he is afraid of side effects like his fear of infertility (which is a baseless fear) is not doing what's best for his body, no matter how often he says it.

Nobody made him say he was immunized, for all that he wishes to blame others for it.

And if that's taking responsibility for what he said, I would hate to see him duck it!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 07:28:16 PM
He continues to insist that he's doing "what's best for his body," but not taking the J&J vaccine because he is afraid of side effects like his fear of infertility (which is a baseless fear) is not doing what's best for his body, no matter how often he says it.




Rodgers just got COVID

Is there something worse "for his body" that you aren't mentioning?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 07:29:30 PM
AND FIFTY COME FROM BEHIND WINS FOR BEN
AND FIFTY THEY SLIPPED THE REFS FOR THE BULLSHIT CALLS.

Amen brother - some of the whistles down the line were bad, bad, bad (see Super Bowl last with TB on 3rd and 4)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 07:31:35 PM
By the way - in taking another peek at that game -

did that motherf---- really go for a FG - down 8 - to make the game 31-26 - when the ball was at the 8 yard line?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 10, 2021, 02:24:19 AM
"I did not lie about my status.  I am allergic to an ingredient in the 2 vaccines.  I had treatment to raise my immunity.  I made a decision that was in the best interest of my body"

He also said he was following the protocols for unvaccinated players.

The NFL disagrees with him.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/us/aaron-rodgers-allen-lazard-green-bay-packers-nfl-fine/index.html
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2021, 09:46:49 AM
Yep

Slap on the wrist fine.

Will be interesting to see if he plays Sunday
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 10, 2021, 12:43:55 PM
Rodgers makes another mealy-mouthed statement, this time with a non-apology about statements that "others may have found misleading.'

https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1458151598790742021?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1458151598790742021%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fsports%2F2021%2F11%2F09%2Faaron-rodgers-misleading-vaccination-status%2F
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2021, 04:39:38 PM
Karen Rodgers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2021, 07:36:25 PM
Oooooooh

Burnnnnn...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2021, 09:32:44 PM
Week 10

Thursday, Nov. 11, 8:20 PM Ravens -7.5 Miami 46.5   Ravens, 31-17

Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Indy -10 Jaguars 47.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Browns -1 NE 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Dallas -9.5 Falcons 53.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM TN -3 Saints 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Bucs -10 Washington 51.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 1:00 PM Pitt -9 Lions 42.5

Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:05 PM LAC -2.5 Vikes 52
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:05 PM AZ -10 Panthers 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:25 PM GB -3 Seahawks 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 14, 4:25 PM Denver -3 Eagles 44.5

Sunday, Nov. 14, 8:20 PM Chiefs -2.5 LV 51.5
Monday, Nov. 15, 8:15 PM Rams -4 SF 49
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 12, 2021, 11:16:33 PM
Week 10

Thursday, Nov. 11, 8:20 PM Ravens -7.5 Miami 46.5   Ravens, 31-17

No talk about the Dolphin's fine win over the Ravens?! (Or the Ravens' terrible loss to the Dolphins, if you prefer.)

Jacoby Brissett might be an NFL starting QB yet!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
Tua won the game

Ravens were hosed on an overturned call late.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 12, 2021, 11:48:20 PM
Tua won the game

Ravens were hosed on an overturned call late.

Enough to make up the 12 points?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 13, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
Yes
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 13, 2021, 12:30:02 AM
Yes

Oh, well.

Better than on an unreviewable play, I suppose - they get fewer calls wrong when they are reviewed.

I am surprised it came down to so narrow a decision. Either Miami was playing better than expected or Baltimore worse or both.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 13, 2021, 07:42:35 PM
https://www.patriots.com/news/expert-predictions-week-10-picks-for-patriots-vs-browns

25 or so predictions on the Pats/Browns tilt, with some of them actually explaining their reasoning.

Spoiler alert:






A substantial majority think the Patriots are going to win. It makes me nervous.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 13, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
23-21 Pats

Behind backup QB
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 13, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Fucking horse shit

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 13, 2021, 11:58:59 PM
Fucking horse shit

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#

Why is it horse shit, Kid?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 14, 2021, 12:00:42 AM
https://archive.ph/RyIw7

Beneath the mystery of Tom Brady
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Fucking horse shit

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#

Why is it horse shit, Kid?

Ever hear of a false positive?

Though I suppose they keep testing (reporters dont let you know any of that)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 14, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
Fucking horse shit

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/roethlisberger-out-for-steelers-after-going-covid-list#

Why is it horse shit, Kid?

Ever hear of a false positive?

Though I suppose they keep testing (reporters dont let you know any of that)

They keep testing. But also, after the Giants' incident with a lab turning out a too high number of false positives last week, the league and teams are being cautious to make sure the positives are real.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 12:38:54 PM
23-21 Pats

Behind backup QB

I see it same way, Pats in a low scoring defense dominated from both sides squeeker.

Unless there are a lot of turnovers, or fluky ST plays, the punters will be busy in a field position type game.

You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under

Pats 20-17

GO PATS


RIP Sam Huff

One of the first NFL stars I was aware of and rooted for WBW.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 12:53:09 PM
They keep testing. But also, after the Giants' incident with a lab turning out a too high number of false positives last week, the league and teams are being cautious to make sure the positives are real.


Thanks

Yeah - so I'd guess Ben may have had a subsequent second failed test - again - nor reported.  Though maybe it becomes a privacy issue after first test result is reported.

Ex:  Test positive on a Thursday, positive again Friday - you could test NEGATIVE Saturday morning and again Sunday morning (24 hours apart - 2 tests, by rule) and then play Sunday

No word WHEN the first failed test was (what day, time) and when subsequent tests were performed - and passed/failed - but maybe we are not allowed this information - its just not an issue of press not digging.

That a SLEW of positives is the only reason to suspect a false negative is interesting.

I AM nitpicking, I suppose - but seasons are on the line.  Thankfully for the 5-3 Steelers - looking to tie for division lead -  it is just DETROIT that Mason Rudolph faces - and at home.

By the way - are we to believe Ben didnt co-mingle with any teammates - I havent seen that others are missing the game.  Or is it just that those have PASSED testing?  Thanks for any further NFL rules insight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 01:08:34 PM
Has there been ample EVIDENCE that previously vaccinated individuals who get COVID-19 are transmitting at high rates?  Same rates as those that werent vaxxed?

Thanks - havent seen the stdies - if there are any -a nd ia also understand why CDC and others might squash them.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Looking like MAC gonna have himself a day.

6-6, 55 yards and a TD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
23-21 Pats

Behind backup QB

I see it same way, Pats in a low scoring defense dominated from both sides squeeker.

Unless there are a lot of turnovers, or fluky ST plays, the punters will be busy in a field position type game.

You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under

Pats 20-17

GO PATS


RIP Sam Huff

One of the first NFL stars I was aware of and rooted for WBW.

more offense and TDs and less punts in that 1st qtr than I figured
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 01:51:03 PM
You're sitting on the o/u, I'll take the under


I posted mine - as 45.5

So I am under as well

Enjoy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 02:01:26 PM
Mac Passerton, the new gunslinger in town

99 yard drive-that's badass shit
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 02:31:24 PM
Winning 4 of 7 at half

Losing ATL, TB and PITT
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 02:36:28 PM
Winning 4 of 7 at half

Losing ATL, TB and PITT

Losing ATL

way too early

to plan fried chicken for dinner
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 03:37:46 PM
BOSWELL from 51

Tie game in PGH.

Boz now 18-19 and 6-6 from 50+
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 04:03:34 PM
Jags and Saints come back for the covers and just like that a 2-5 day

heh

Was looking for a 4th straight 8+ win week (I know - not much of a brag)

Parity rules the league - good to see.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 04:05:24 PM
All that remains now is for Steelers to lose in OT.  To complete the day.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
Pats had the over by themselves.

weird.

They looked dominating against a team I had as pretty decent.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
Touchdownnnnn, NEWTON!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
Touchdowwwwwn pass, Newton!

And the Steelers dont lose

Yeah baby.

(5-2 money line as well)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
They looked dominating against a team I had as pretty decent.



The correct move is to Keenum.  Save the bucks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 14, 2021, 06:02:29 PM
Has there been ample EVIDENCE that previously vaccinated individuals who get COVID-19 are transmitting at high rates?  Same rates as those that werent vaxxed?

Thanks - havent seen the stdies - if there are any -a nd ia also understand why CDC and others might squash them.

Lower transmission rates, w/variation by (a) vaccine and (b) individual.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
Holy shit - what an underdog week (9-3 covers I think)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 08:04:10 PM
Holy shit - what an underdog week (9-3 covers I think)

HEH

Its been a heavy U-dog cover since week 1.

First 4 weeks were like 11,9,10,9 U-dog covers

Last four weeks have average 8 u dog covers

I'm surprised such an astute handicapper as yourself was unaware of this.   

Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.




Observation from week 1

Interesting first week with dogs barking and covering in 12 of the 16 games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 08:20:43 PM
Appears that choosing the DALLAS defense as well as LaMarr over Rodgers may get us our EIGHTH fantasy win.

Still close

Up 40 points, with T Hill and Carlson vs Butker tonight - and having to fade points from Staffored and Kittle tomorrow.

Any luck we retain first place and a possible second straight regular season title.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 08:36:32 PM
Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.


9 with Thu game, right?

Miami
Jax
New E
Saints
WFT
Lions
Vikes
Panthers
Eagles
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 08:44:11 PM
TDeeeeee, Tyreeeek.

"You used your first round pick on T Hill?"

Yes, sir, I did.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 14, 2021, 09:13:22 PM
TB12 sulking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 14, 2021, 09:51:52 PM
TB12 sulking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Heh

You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
Bucking Futker!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 11:03:27 PM
.....and the OVER.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2021, 11:16:58 PM
Depending on your line, (I'm using yahoo) I think its 8 U-dogs this week.


9 with Thu game, right?

Miami
Jax
New E
Saints
WFT
Lions
Vikes
Panthers
Eagles

Pats opened -3 and moved to -1 .5 to -2.5. Never some them as a dog. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2021, 07:17:59 AM
TB12 sulking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Heh

You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.

Found here.

https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/ (https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/)

Three and out, with a Brady pout.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 15, 2021, 07:45:03 AM
TB12 sulking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Heh

You should learn to use Twitter if you are going to give us links. That one won't show anybody anything about Tom Brady, just our own home page on Twitter if we have one.

Found here.

https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/ (https://nesn.com/2021/11/grumpy-tom-brady-abruptly-leaves-short-press-conference-after-loss-to-wft/)

Three and out, with a Brady pout.

Ah, this tweet:
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1460012932067205123

Thank you.

Not one of Brady's better days, from the start of the game to the end of his "press conference."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 15, 2021, 09:55:57 AM
Tom talks TEAM when he wins, thus also when he loses.  Would never point fingers.

Someone else might note how some of his teammates underachieved in the loss.

Credit WFT.  Tough news on Chase Young.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 15, 2021, 10:52:56 PM
NOT the game I was expecting to see tonight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Tom talks TEAM when he wins, thus also when he loses.  Would never point fingers.

Someone else might note how some of his teammates underachieved in the loss.

Credit WFT.  Tough news on Chase Young.


Tom fucked up and couldn't handle answering questions about how he fucked up.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 16, 2021, 01:43:45 PM
"So, what happened on that strike out, Carlos (Beltran)?"

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 04:38:50 PM
The most intersting story in all of football: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/11/16/22785327/eric-abidals-wife-hayet-reportedly-a-suspect-in-attack-on-psg-player (https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2021/11/16/22785327/eric-abidals-wife-hayet-reportedly-a-suspect-in-attack-on-psg-player)

Should become a movie.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 08:40:02 PM
Week 11

Thursday, Nov. 18, 8:20 PM Pats -7 Atlanta 48

Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Cleveland -10 Lions 44.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Jax 46.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Buffalo -7 Colts 50
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 45
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Carolina -3.5 WFT 43
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Ravens -6.5 Chicago 45.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Philly -1.5 Saints 43.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM TN -10.5 Texans 45
Sunday, Nov. 21, 1:00 PM Packers -2.5 MN 49

Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:05 PM Bengals -1 LV 50
Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:25 PM Cards -2.5 Seattle 49.5
Sunday, Nov. 21, 4:25 PM KC -2.5 Cowboys 56

Sunday, Nov. 21, 8:20 PM LAC -6 Steelers 47
Monday, Nov. 22, 8:15 PM TB -11 Giants 50
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 18, 2021, 03:40:19 PM
He's not a "man".



https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
three picks off three different QBs in the same quarter.

That can't have happened too many times before.

Pats D is coming around.

Good road win on the short week.

Things get tougher v Tenn
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 18, 2021, 11:26:18 PM
It looked at times as if the Falcon's O-Line was playing for the Pats, not for Atlanta.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 18, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 19, 2021, 12:23:43 AM
Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.

It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 19, 2021, 10:36:44 AM
Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.

It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2021, 10:45:44 AM
To be fair, only 1/3 of Rosen's passes were intercepted, while Franks was 1 pass 1 pick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 19, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.

It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?

100% of the passes of the 3rd QB were intercepted.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 19, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Josh Rosen suuuuuuucks.

It's true - but was he any worse tonight than the QBs before and after?
Were 2/3 of their passes intercepted?

100% of the passes of the 3rd QB were intercepted.
Ah. I had the sound off and thought that was Rosen. Who continues to make me think no matter what happens with Baker, we almost did a lot worse.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 04:02:58 PM
Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing

Cool division.

Ben - time to speak up tonight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 21, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing

Cool division.

Ben - time to speak up tonight.

Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2021, 04:53:24 PM
The AFC East looks wide open.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 07:57:23 PM
Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing

Cool division.

Ben - time to speak up tonight.

Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.

Fuckers

Didnt know Fields went out
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 07:58:18 PM
New top NFL hookup

Colt McCoy to Zach Ertz.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 21, 2021, 08:32:48 PM
Another stinkfest for Mayfield as Browns try to hold on - with Ravens losing

Cool division.

Ben - time to speak up tonight.

Bears just could not hang on - their D was too worn out.

Fuckers

Didnt know Fields went out

He may not be back for a while. It did not sound good.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 21, 2021, 11:38:45 PM
Wow!

The Steelers almost managed to come back, only to have Herbert snatch it away from them.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2021, 11:39:56 PM
Another wildly entertaining and unpredictable game.Chargers never win these games. Tonight they did. Another big day for dogs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 07:45:54 AM
Great effort by Tomlin's charges.  Key mistake at the end.

2 good teams.  With health Steelers may win a playoff game.

Ben timeless.  Hope he returns.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 08:20:38 PM
Another shot a t a nine win week

Got Bucs

34-10
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Giants miss their safety, tonight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 22, 2021, 11:44:07 PM
Another shot a t a nine win week

Got Bucs

34-10

Pretty close!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 22, 2021, 11:48:40 PM
Another shot a t a nine win week

Got Bucs

34-10

No longer on the Danny Dimes train to the playoffs?

Good call on the game.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Giants did the right thing, but too late. When you're last in the league, like this year, or hovering at the bottom, like last year, at red zone offense? Heads must roll: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32699164/new-york-giants-fire-offensive-coordinator-jason-garrett-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32699164/new-york-giants-fire-offensive-coordinator-jason-garrett-sources-say)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 23, 2021, 07:37:03 PM
I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 11:36:21 PM
I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.

heh

See ya, Jason Garrett.

Maybe Rutherford HS needs a tight ends coach.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
Another shot a t a nine win week

Got Bucs

34-10

No longer on the Danny Dimes train to the playoffs?

Good call on the game.

Thanks

Been doing this for quite some time as you know

Actually had the Jets loss cold this week at 17-24.

Modest 31-26 run vs spread over 4 weeks.  Yawnnn....

But could be picking up steam.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2021, 10:17:05 AM
I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.

That doesn't make it so.

But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that

a) he's never had a OL

b) he's had inconsistent coaching

c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless

d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.

But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 11:34:19 AM
I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.

IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.

But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.

the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.

#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 12:51:32 PM
https://archive.ph/AxIrM WSJ article (of all places)

"The Packers star quarterback is dealing with a painful toe injury that stems from the body
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 24, 2021, 01:24:26 PM
I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.

IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.

But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.

the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.

#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.
Well, it could have been worse. They could have decided to use that pick themselves and stolen Darnold from the Jets.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/jets-put-joe-flacco-mike-white-on-covid-19-reserve-list/

Jets seem to have a QB shortage.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 01:54:48 PM
I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.

IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.

But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.

the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.

#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.

Poppycock

All of it
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 24, 2021, 01:58:59 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/jets-put-joe-flacco-mike-white-on-covid-19-reserve-list/

Jets seem to have a QB shortage.
Addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
Just one more year for Saquon

Think Giants could/should deal him?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.

IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.

But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.

the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.

#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.

Poppycock

All of it

LMAO.

I was dead on.

Are the G-men any closer to being a competitive team today that they were when they had choice draft picks to rebuild with?

They fucking wasted the 2nd pick in the draft on a running back when they didn't have an O-line or QB?

It was GM malpractice.

But you didn't understand it.

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 05:02:28 PM
Keep dummin, dummie
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 05:17:38 PM
Keep dummin, dummie

Still with the juvenile idiocy?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 05:21:18 PM
Bank hasn't made his point - and its been years. 

Juvenile or otherwise - just fact.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Looking to get to 5-7

If not, pick 5 or higher looking good along with Bears pick (currently 6)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 06:41:10 PM
Keep dummin, dummie

Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.

My point's been made for years, the G-men got little value by drafting a RB with the 2nd pick, when they had so many other far more pressing needs.

That you don't understand it, is not my concern.

Your confusion that fantasy values and building a real football team to compete in the NFL are the same thing, is pretty fucking funny.
 

And your response of "poppycock" to my restatements of the argument was the only infantile post in the discussion.

Are you stupid or something?

And that's rhetorical, no need to answer, you fucking dolt.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 06:54:13 PM
Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.


Lol

Sure agree with the longstanding part
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 07:05:20 PM
Kid my observations about Saquon and the Giants drafting him @2 were both long standing and have been adopted by most observers of the game.


Lol

Sure agree with the longstanding part

So you still think it wise, the Giants with 

-a weak O-line that needed rebuilding,
-a QB about to retire,
-and other personnel issues,
 
use the 2nd pick in draft, and a draft where several teams were looking for franchise QBs and would likely bid up to get to #2, to draft a highly regarded running back?

Why after several more years of having a poor football team and showing little signs of improving, would you seemingly reaffirm a poor decision to so severely over value a running back?

This isn't fantasy football.

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
Next case.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
Next case.

You found your best possible rebuttal/white flag, I'll give you that.

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 08:14:06 PM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 08:52:09 PM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace

"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.

LMAO

you presented no counter-argument to my question.

enjoy your Thanksgiving
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 08:52:17 PM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace

Nor fewer.

But supporting evidence for one's position is always nice.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 08:54:02 PM
https://archive.ph/AxIrM WSJ article (of all places)

"The Packers star quarterback is dealing with a painful toe injury that stems from the body

He now says it is not Covid Toe, but a broken toe that may need surgery (but won't force him to miss any time, says the article).

https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-i-have-a-fractured-toe-surgery-an-option

I am skeptical. Whether he has surgery or not, I suspect he will not be as effective as we normally expect him to be.

But I am glad it isn't Covid Toe, since that doesn't respond to surgery.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace

"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.



I dont have to make a case.  You do.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 08:58:08 PM
He now says it is not Covid Toe


When did he say it was?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2021, 08:59:13 PM
I am skeptical. Whether he has surgery or not, I suspect he will not be as effective as we normally expect him to be.


Maybe it will catch up with him but AR ran pretty well the other day
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 09:31:13 PM
He now says it is not Covid Toe


When did he say it was?

In the link I posted earlier today, Kid, in the Wall Street Journal (but not behind a paywall at my link) - you know, the one in the quote in the post to which you are responding?!

I get that you don't click on all my links, but "Packers' star quarterback..." would seem like a natural one for even you to have read.

He said it yesterday. He was very clear and specific. Now he is clear and specific that it is not Covid Toe, but broken, instead.

We should all believe him, because he is a paragon of truth.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 24, 2021, 09:59:08 PM
Too funny!

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/583096-aaron-rodgers-demands-wsj-apologize-over-covid-toe-coverage

"How dare they report that I said what I said?!"
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 24, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace

"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.



I dont have to make a case.  You do.

I made it several years ago and remade it tonight.

and listed several of the cogent points

Your  1-word "rebuttal" was childish and was devoid of any substance addressing how or why I was mistaken.

I told you why IMO the G-Men made a mistake drafting Saquon.

poppycock is the counter of a semi-literate dolt.   

That you are incapable of making a case is obvious.


 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 25, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10019062-vikings-cooperating-with-police-at-everson-griffens-home-after-des-instagram-posts

It sounds like Griffens is getting care. I hope it is sufficient.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 25, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
The Saints look as if they decided to stay home this Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 25, 2021, 11:20:44 PM
The Saints look as if they decided to stay home this Thanksgiving.

And now it is mercifully over. That was a turkey of a game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 26, 2021, 08:19:30 AM
More words doesnt equal more right.

Peace

"Poppycock" and "next case" are hardly compelling rebuttals to my arguments counselor.



I dont have to make a case.  You do.

I made it several years ago and remade it tonight.

and listed several of the cogent points

Your  1-word "rebuttal" was childish and was devoid of any substance addressing how or why I was mistaken.

I told you why IMO the G-Men made a mistake drafting Saquon.

poppycock is the counter of a semi-literate dolt.   

That you are incapable of making a case is obvious.

Why do you take it as a personal affront every time someone disagrees with you?

Grow the fuck up.

You're getting as bad as Larry Loser.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
poppycock!

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 27, 2021, 10:31:37 AM
saw this yesterday in The Ringer

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/23/22799744/jason-garrett-giants-scapegoat (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/23/22799744/jason-garrett-giants-scapegoat)


A Giants Failure

Jason Garrett is an easy scapegoat for the Giants shortcomings but the team has bigger problems


It doesn't pull many punches.

Of interest is the Gettleman critique.

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 27, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
Thanks for the link.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 11:54:06 AM
CAM!

Starting Newton today in junior league (9-1, second place)

Tough calls in Iron Man (9-2, first place) - looking at Burkhead vs Jets - over C Patterson, Ty Johnson and Stevenson - and M Brown tonight over some decent waiver wire pickups.  Going LaMarr over A Rodgers for today.

edit:    back to Cordarelle Patterson, who WILL start.  Burkhead to bench as I look for the best free agent to add in his place for future weeks
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 12:03:50 PM
Almost forgot the slate

Week 12

Thursday, Nov. 25, 12:30 PM Bears -3.5 Detroit 41.5  by 3     W  (and under)
Thursday, Nov. 25, 4:30 PM Dallas -7 Raiders 50.5   by 11    L   (lost under)
Thursday, Nov. 25, 8:20 PM Bills -4.5 NO 46        by 3    L     (lost over)

2-1. 1-2. 1-2.       4-5 composite

Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM NE -6.5 Titans 44.5    Titans   under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Houston -3 Jets 44     Jets*     over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Eagles -3.5 NYG 46.5    Giants     under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Bucs -2.5 Indy 51       Bucs      over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Falcons -1 Jax 46.5      Jags*    over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Panthers -2 Miami 42   Panthers    over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 1:00 PM Cincy -4.5 Steelers 45    Steelers*   under

Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:05 PM Chargers -2.5 Denver 47.5   Chargers    under
Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:25 PM SF -3 Vikings 48.5     San Fran     over
Sunday, Nov. 28, 4:25 PM GB -1 Rams 48    Green Bay   over   

Sunday, Nov. 28, 8:20 PM Baltimore -3.5 Browns 46    Baltimore   under
Monday, Nov. 29, 8:15 PM Seahawks -1 Washington 46.5     Washington*   under

*  will win game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 03:48:45 PM
Damn - should have stayed with that Patriots defense.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 28, 2021, 04:14:24 PM
Pats wore down and dominated in the 2nd half against the beat-up Titans.

Run defense was so-so, gave up some huge plays, but D forced some timely turnovers.

Offense left points in the red zone

Titans are a tough team.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 07:11:17 PM
Danny Dimes played ok but Giants couldn't get the one needed forst down to cinch the game

Conservative play calling late didn't help.  Play calling all told was a revelation.

Should have lost by 1.  But well earned win.  And Giants should get to 5-7 next week.

Firing Gettleman would be a mistake.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 28, 2021, 09:00:45 PM
CAM!

From NFL (dot) com's what we learned from Sunday's games:
Quote
The Cam Newton honeymoon ended in a disastrous fashion. The QB was brutal in his second start for the Panthers. Newton completed a woeful 5-of-21 passing (23.8%) for 92 yards with two interceptions for a 5.8 passer rating. Of Newton's 92 yards, 64 came on one completion to D.J. Moore early in the game. Newton rushed for the Panthers' only score of the game in the first quarter. From there, the bottom fell out. The signal-caller was under pressure and handled it poorly, missing a boatload of throws that had no chance. Newton also had four passes batted at the line of scrimmage by Dolphins defenders. The entire operation was a mess. On seven drives in the second and third quarters, Carolina earned a total of 58 yards. Down by 20 points, Newton was benched for the fourth quarter, with P.J. Walker sweeping up the garbage-time stats. It's back to the drawing board for Matt Rhule and Joe Brady to figure out how to generate consistency from the QB spot.
...
NFL Research: Newton's 5-of-21 passing (23.8%) is the lowest by a QB with 20-plus attempts in a game since Joey Harrington went 5 of 22 (22.7%) for DET in Week 14, 2004.


That's the Cam we know and love.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 28, 2021, 09:47:12 PM
Danny Dimes played ok but Giants couldn't get the one needed first down to cinch the game

Conservative play calling late didn't help.  Play calling all told was a revelation.

Should have lost by 1.  But well earned win.  And Giants should get to 5-7 next week.

Firing Gettleman would be a mistake.

From Banks' link:
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The first step is firing Gettleman. This should also be easy. The Giants are 18-40 since Gettleman was hired. The only teams with a worse record in that span are the Jets, Jaguars, and Lions. In other words, the Giants have joined the rock-bottom feeders.

Gettleman has made some good moves, even some that were unpopular at the time, like trading Odell Beckham Jr., drafting Julian Love and Darius Slayton, and signing free agents like Logan Ryan. Gettleman seems to be a genuinely good NFL scout and talent evaluator, but he seems really bad at applying that knowledge to running a team. There's a difference between spotting talent and knowing how much of your limited resources should be used to acquire and keep that talent. Gettleman has demonstrated little grasp of players' market value, either in cap dollars or draft pick value (i.e., drafting Barkley at no. 2, using a third-round pick on cornerback Sam Beal, and spending $18 million annually for Kenny Golladay). Perhaps Gettleman's real legacy will be drafting Barkley at no. 2, since no running back may ever be taken as high in the draft again. Gettleman might as well be Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development thinking that bananas cost $10.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 09:57:31 PM
I dont have him on ignore
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on November 28, 2021, 10:05:21 PM
I dont have him on ignore

I figured that if your post insisting that firing Gettlemen would be a mistake merited reposting that the key passage about Gettlemen from that article merited posting a first time.

It makes a stronger argument than you do.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 10:07:27 PM
94 passer rating today for D Jones

This to go with

90.7
102.2
90.9
108.5
95.9
96.1
104.2

That's 8 of his 11 games for 2021
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 28, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
I think the quarterback who won the Giants game today was Hurts.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
I'd love to hear Whisk's current view of Mayfield vs paying Keenum much less.  This is ugly.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
I think the quarterback who won the Giants game today was Hurts.

McKinney, Love and the boys had MUCH to do with that.

Sounds like you didnt see the game.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 29, 2021, 09:53:13 AM
I'd love to hear Whisk's current view of Mayfield vs paying Keenum much less.  This is ugly.
That the staff has a better idea of who has the best chance to win long term than I do, and that.there is a reason Keenum is a back up in a league where about a third of the teams have serious starting QB issues. Mayfield is still relatively cheap next year, and if he is not the answer going forward they need to find another answer, who is not Case Keenum. But if Mayfield is not healthy for a game this year he needs to sit for a game or so. Hopefully the bye week can get at least his heel healthy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2021, 10:01:48 AM
Cleveland played dirty, had the refs helping them out, and showed they are not a play-off team. Nice to see them beat. Again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 30, 2021, 05:23:45 PM
I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.

That doesn't make it so.

But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that

a) he's never had a OL

b) he's had inconsistent coaching

c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless

d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.

But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.


Quiet dumbass, you're as stupid as the dipshits that have been doing the Giants drafting. I've forgotten more about the game of football than you'll ever know. In fact you having any brains is about as illusory as Bigfoot.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 30, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
I didn't see a lot of Danny Duke in college, so had no real opinion, but the knock on the Giants was he was a big over reach at #6 in the draft. They could have traded down, and likely still have him available, and picked up another 1 or 2.

IMO a couple of years in, and he's JAG pro QB, with a tendency to lose the football.

But the real blown pick was Saquon. They could have cashed the #2 pick for a basket of picks to build a team, to one of the 3-4 teams who were looking for their franchise QB. $QBs went in the first 10 picks. Giants could have played those teams off against one another.

the Giant's drafting Saquon was likened then to a blue-collar middle-class family leasing a Bentley.

#2 pick for a RB, even a really good one was a waste of an asset, for a team with no QB, and so many holes to address.


Exactly right.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 30, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
I wanted Simmons over Thomas

What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 30, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
Teams REPORTEDLY were not offering much for the move up to where NYG took Barkley

So no - not exactly right with the "basket of picks".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 30, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
I wanted Simmons over Thomas

What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?

I have to say I had a huge wish for the LB Josh Allen, everyone knows I'm a defense minded guy. But I also had a big yen for the receiver Metcalf. Turns out we could have had both.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 30, 2021, 09:54:37 PM
Teams REPORTEDLY were not offering much for the move up to where NYG took Barkley

So no - not exactly right with the "basket of picks".

Except that's not quite true.

Gettleman was quoted as saying he received a "very reasonable" offer for the #2 but he had his mind set on Saquon. He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2. He could have used the leverage of several teams wanting QBs to his advantage. But he never explored that path.

It was GM malpractice.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 30, 2021, 11:05:55 PM
I said it when they drafted him and many times afterward, Jones is a bum.

That doesn't make it so.

But, you probably don't watch too many games and see that

a) he's never had a OL

b) he's had inconsistent coaching

c) he's played on teams that essentially are defenseless

d) he's in NY-NJ where everything is magnified.

But go ahead and tell us who should be the NYG QB.


Quiet dumbass, you're as stupid as the dipshits that have been doing the Giants drafting. I've forgotten more about the game of football than you'll ever know. In fact you having any brains is about as illusory as Bigfoot.

So you can't answer the question, without showing how stupid you are.  Same as it ever was, arrogant shitstain.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 03:20:56 PM
He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2.


You dont think those teams called him?

You seem to think one made a pretty good offer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Jones out this week (neck)

Glennon in.

Oy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 03:27:18 PM
I wanted Simmons over Thomas

What picks did you prefer that were not made by the Giants, Cap?

I have to say I had a huge wish for the LB Josh Allen, everyone knows I'm a defense minded guy. But I also had a big yen for the receiver Metcalf. Turns out we could have had both.

And no Qb that year?

I guess you could theoretically pick the best guy taken after we picked Metcalf round 2 and in a slot where we had a pick - finishing the woulda, coulda, shoulda (Allen first round, then Metcalf, then......)

Cool.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2021, 04:24:59 PM
He never tried to shop it among the 4 teams looking for a QB who might have wanted to move up to #2.


You dont think those teams called him?

You seem to think one made a pretty good offer.

Gettleman was quoted as saying he stopped taking calls on trading the #2. He was all in for Saquon even if he said one team made him a reasonable offer.

His job was to get the four teams who were in the franchise QB market bidding against one another to make an unreasonable offer he could not refuse.

IMO, he did not do his job very thoroughly.

And as posted pre-draft drafting a running back, even an elite rb, for a team with as many needs as the Giants had was a waste of an asset.

And most rational observers now understand that point.

And as an aside my post was a rebuttal to your inaccurate post that teams were not offering much for the #2. Gettleman's 1st hand description of receiving a reasonable offer proves your inaccuracy.

Curious kid, knowing what you know now, would you make Saquon the #2 pick?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 04:33:52 PM
You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 04:46:55 PM
Reports were that Gettleman was set to take DeVonta Smith at #11 overall in the 2021 draft (Smith went 10th)

Giants traded down, something many pundits said would never happen.  Got a good haul for the 11 and ended up with Toney in round 1

Should Gettleman have stayed at 11 and taken best player available?

Had Smith not been taken by Philly, what then?

In your opinion, did he act in '21 draft like a guy that should be fired?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 04:51:29 PM
Cap

Yeah - Gettleman reportedly did agonize over ALLEN vs Daniel Jones.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 01, 2021, 05:02:11 PM
You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.

If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 01, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
Reports were that Gettleman was set to take DeVonta Smith at #11 overall in the 2021 draft (Smith went 10th)

Giants traded down, something many pundits said would never happen.  Got a good haul for the 11 and ended up with Toney in round 1

Should Gettleman have stayed at 11 and taken best player available?

Had Smith not been taken by Philly, what then?

In your opinion, did he act in '21 draft like a guy that should be fired?

There was a reason I posted the Ringer article about the Giants. It articulated in a longer form many of the issues facing the Giants, some of which I have articulated in this forum, which has largely drawn only echos in response.

And in facing those issues, IMO Gettleman's body of work as GM has been unimpressive, as the issues still seem present.

In any case, knowing what you know now, would you have picked Saquon with the 2nd pick?

It's a yes or no question.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 10:58:16 PM
You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.

If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?

What do I know now?

Simple answer is YES.  The guy was fucking SUPERMAN by any analytic and certainly by production pre injury..
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 01, 2021, 11:00:00 PM
It's a yes or no question.


I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.

How do you judge Gettleman's '21?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 12:41:21 AM
It's a yes or no question.


I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.

How do you judge Gettleman's '21?

He picked a bunch who seem disproportionately injury prone. He did a good job picking up pieces let go by other teams, but it is way too early to try to evaluate the value of his draft picks - they looked good on paper, but their year has been pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
You are welcome to join with me and Cap to discuss exactly who Gettleman should have drafted.

If you knew then what you know now, would you still have made Saquon your pick?

What do I know now?

Simple answer is YES.  The guy was fucking SUPERMAN by any analytic and certainly by production pre injury..

I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.

It is what it is.

But can we agree that Superman was running behind Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen?

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:28 AM
It's a yes or no question.


I asked YOU a question - before Josh asked of me.

How do you judge Gettleman's '21?

I answered the question re Gettleman's job performance since he was hired. I don't think he's done a good job.

As for his performance in '21, its too early to assess, get back to me in '23-'24.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
Week 13


Thursday, Dec. 2, 8:20 PM Cowboys -4.5 NO 47.5    Dallas, 28-21

Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Vikings -7 Detroit 47
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7 Chicago 45.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Buccaneers -11 Atlanta 50.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Colts -9.5 Houston 46
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Eagles -6 NYJ 45
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cincinnati -3 Chargers 50.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Miami -3 Giants 41.5

Sunday, Dec.5, 4:05 PM Las Vegas -2.5 WFT 50
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 44
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM LA Rams -13 Jaguars 48
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM 49ers -3.5 Seattle 45.5
Sunday, Dec.5, 8:20 PM Kansas City -10 Broncos 47.5

Monday, Dec.6, 8:15 PM Buffalo -2.5 Patriots

Like last week, will fill sheet pre games beginning.  Decent 4 week run going, off an 8-7.  Still no 10-win (v spread) week.  Games are tough.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 11:15:21 AM
I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.


Judging the wisdom of a pick at the time with current results is your style, not mine.  Like I said - Barkley was Superman by metrics and by production.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 11:20:09 AM
Would you have taken Tomlinson, Peterson or Lynch?  How about Elliott?  McCaffrey?  Fournette?  First round running backs since 2000, rated:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-every-nfl-running-back-drafted-in-round-1-since-2000-ladainian-tomlinson-leads-the-list/

(Saquon is 31)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
Giants add Jake Fromm

Hope he gets a look if Glennon struggles Sunday.  Much to ask but season in the balance.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
I think you ignore a lot of facts that have accumulated since Barkley was drafted, but I'm not going to argue against your ignorance.


Judging the wisdom of a pick at the time with current results is your style, not mine.  Like I said - Barkley was Superman by metrics and by production.

LMAO

I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.

And in the Ringer article the author basically wrote the Gettleman legacy may be that Barkley may be the last rb selected that high in the NFL draft, as the pick was a huge waste of an asset and that is abundantly clear.

Lastly I asked you knowing what you know now, and that included the G-Men's strengths and weaknesses, ie a questionable QB, a weak o-line, basically flounderinng for the Gettleman era, whether you would repeat Gettleman's folly of selecting Barkely with the #2 pick.

Picking a running back when you have no O-line?

Best way to kill a rb.

Which is what happened.

And apparently you are all in for repeating the wastefulness of that asset.

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 12:07:32 PM
I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.


What you dont get is that I dont discount this.  I know you and many others were off of drafting Saquon.

Your way - taking Darnold (hello, Mike Francessa) wasnt necessarily a path to greatness.  Nobody wanted Allen so dont bring him up.  Just as many wanted Rosen as Darnold.  I actually posted at the time my like for L Jackson - though Barkley was my choice.

Overall - kill Gettleman for not hiring Matt Ruhle (my choice) and for hiring Jason Garrett as OC.  I am fine with all of that - and draftees over the years you could quibble ith (as I did with not taking the stud Simmons). 

But I like Judge - and I like the QB.  Not a Hall of Famer at pick #8?  Cry me a river.  I gave you his passing stats for a team down receivers all year.  They speak for themselves even before accounting for his rushing skills.

Again, I ask - you said no to Barkley - show me the better path - picks in 2018 and forward starting with Darnold.  Lets hear the names.

And do not say trade down and take Allen or trade down and take Jackson - you werent on that.  TRADE DOWN?  Cool - lets hear it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 12:23:04 PM
Would you have taken Tomlinson, Peterson or Lynch?  How about Elliott?  McCaffrey?  Fournette?  First round running backs since 2000, rated:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-every-nfl-running-back-drafted-in-round-1-since-2000-ladainian-tomlinson-leads-the-list/

(Saquon is 31)

31/48 isn't very good. Bottom 40%. Worse when compared only to those taken in the top 10 or 5.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
I argued against the Barkely pick pre-draft and suggested one of two paths, either pick a franchise QB with the #2 pick, or trade down for a basket of picks.


What you dont get is that I dont discount this.  I know you and many others were off of drafting Saquon.

Your way - taking Darnold (hello, Mike Francessa) wasnt necessarily a path to greatness.  Nobody wanted Allen so dont bring him up.  Just as many wanted Rosen as Darnold.  I actually posted at the time my like for L Jackson - though Barkley was my choice.

Overall - kill Gettleman for not hiring Matt Ruhle (my choice) and for hiring Jason Garrett as OC.  I am fine with all of that - and draftees over the years you could quibble ith (as I did with not taking the stud Simmons). 

But I like Judge - and I like the QB.  Not a Hall of Famer at pick #8?  Cry me a river.  I gave you his passing stats for a team down receivers all year.  They speak for themselves even before accounting for his rushing skills.

Again, I ask - you said no to Barkley - show me the better path - picks in 2018 and forward starting with Darnold.  Lets hear the names.

And do not say trade down and take Allen or trade down and take Jackson - you werent on that.  TRADE DOWN?  Cool - lets hear it.

I generally don't like USC QBs, they seem to leave their game in sunny SoCal, but I thought after Darnold's freshman year he might make a good pro QB. But he got destroyed by the Jets. Whether better pro coaching might have saved him is an unknown. I did not have any strong opinion about any other 1st round QBs as I don't spend a lot time watching college ball. I thought Mayfield was interesting, but he was off the board. But pro scouts do have that knowledge about the handful of guys who might make it as QBs in the NFL. And in that draft there were 4 or 5 QBs picked in the 1st round. There was demand, even if the G-Men didn't see their guy. Gettleman ignored the marketplace for QBs. It was dumb.

IMO the other choice was to trade down and use the leverage of the 4 teams that were still looking for a new franchise rookie to get picks to rebuild. And we were told that Gettleman turned down what he said was a reasonable offer. I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th, which Imo can go along way with existing picks to start rebuilding a team over a 2-3 year period.

We saw Gettleman trade down from 11 to 20 and snag a 3rd rounder and a future 1st from the Bears. The value for the #2 pick is much much greater than the 11th pick, particularly if you think the cream of the draft is in the top 4-5-6-7 draft picks.

But Gettleman had his heart set on a Bentley, and who could blame him, its a gorgeous car, but he had no garage, or a trained mechanic to keep it tuned up. So unfortunately it sat on the street and was hardly ever taken out for a spin.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 12:34:07 PM
Are you not taking any of those running backs I mentioned, Josh?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 12:44:56 PM
Worth noting for 2018 draft

Bucs landed 2 number 2s (53 and 56)  for moving down from 7 to 12.

Jets move from 6 to 3 cost them 3 number 2s (37 and 49, 2018 and 34 in 2019)

So yes, Giants could have had picks.

Could they have had Barkley at 6 if they dealt with Jets instead of Colts doing so?  I doubt it.

May have had Rosen. 

You want to say may have pulled Allen out of their butts?  Sure - go ahead with that with no evidence Giants were on him.

More likely - they take the guy Colts took - Quentin Nelson, the tackle McGlinchey or possibly M Fitzpatrick if you want to rosy it up.

Colts, Browns or Broncos, picking 3-5 likely get Saquon

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/draft.htm
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th...

heh

(see above)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 01:00:54 PM
I assume a reasonable offer is at least 2 1s, maybe 3, and other decent picks a 3rd and 4th...

heh

(see above)

The Bears executed a draft-day trade with the New York Giants, moving from No. 20 to No. 11 overall to select Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields. Chicago sent the No. 20 overall pick and a fifth-rounder this year (No. 164 overall) in addition to 2022 first- and fourth-round picks to secure its quarterback of the future.


So the Giants got 2 1s, a 4th and a 5th for trading down from 11 to 20. (I though the 4th was a 3rd-my bad).

How much more valuable is the 2nd pick in the draft than the 11th, particularly in a draft where several teams are looking for a franchise QB?

The answer is much more valuable and much costlier to the buyer.

HEH


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 02:49:59 PM
I already gave you what Jets were willing to give for the 3 overall and Bills for the 7.

Looks like Gettleman held out for a great deal - still getting the excellent Toney - after DeVonta became unavailable at 11.

More reason to keep him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 02:55:42 PM
Did you want the Giants to get a 20 in 2018?  For the 2?

Heh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 04:02:30 PM
I already gave you what Jets were willing to give for the 3 overall and Bills for the 7.

Looks like Gettleman held out for a great deal - still getting the excellent Toney - after DeVonta became unavailable at 11.

More reason to keep him.

LMAO

Kid you've been 360ing on this.

Yesterday you insisted there was no offers made.

Then I quoted Gettleman saying he did receive a very reasonable offer for the #2

Today you now tell me that the Jets moved 3 spots from 6 to 3 to get a QB, and gave up the 6 and 3 2s.

And they did.

THATS A FUCKING BASKET for the Colts to rebuild with for moving just 3 spots, giving up the 3 for the 6.

That's how competitive an in demand top of the draft order slots are when teams want QBs.

Would the Jets have tossed an additional asset into the pot for the certainty of #2 instead of #3?

I've no idea. But they paid up for moving 3 spots.

And that's why it was insane for the G-Men to waste that asset on a running back when they had so many needs to address.

And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.

He didn't do his job.

That you don't understand this is hilarious.

Keep on spinning kid and perhaps once you regain your balance, and sit down, you might understand it. 

TFF
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 04:32:31 PM
Hind sight is 20/20.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 04:57:57 PM
THATS A FUCKING BASKET for the Colts to rebuild with for moving just 3 spots, giving up the 3 for the 6.


Meh...not so much the 3 number 1s you stated.  And no - no certainty Jets offered this to Giants. 

Thing is - as I told you - Barkley would have been gone by 6 - and Gettleman wanted little part in losing this player.  He wanted - and got - his Cadillac.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 04:59:30 PM
And they did.


Yes.  I did the research for you.  Dont mention it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 05:40:34 PM
And they did.


Yes.  I did the research for you.  Dont mention it.

LMAO

Kid you did the research for yourself once you realized that trading down for a franchise QB is a thing.

But a thing you weren't familiar with.

TFF

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 05:42:39 PM
Please

Learn how to SPEAK to people.  Rather than insult.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 05:44:28 PM
And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.


Dave didnt want a QB that year.  He wanted a star.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 05:52:00 PM
Hmmmm

Now hearing that Jason Garrett was forced on Joe Judge - by John Mara.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 06:26:05 PM
Please

Learn how to SPEAK to people.  Rather than insult.

I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.

Facts and reasoned arguments have little impact on you.

So mocking got tossed into the mix to see if it could rouse you out of your coma.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 06:32:11 PM
And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.


Dave didnt want a QB that year.  He wanted a star.

LMAO

find yourself a primer on trading (any asset) and the trader's desire to profit from market inefficiency and supply/demand imbalances.

and read it and then I'll explain it to you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 06:32:52 PM
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.


Because you simply can't handle yourself.

It's just sports, bro.  Find some common ground with people.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.


Because you simply can't handle yourself.

It's just sports, bro.  Find some common ground with people.

Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.

You however are an idiot and a liar.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 06:42:22 PM
And insane for Gettleman to ignore the demand for the QB market.


Dave didnt want a QB that year.  He wanted a star.

LMAO

find yourself a primer on trading (any asset) and the trader's desire to profit from market inefficiency and supply/demand imbalances.

and read it and then I'll explain it to you.

You are forcing something on Gettleman he did not want.

He viewed number 2 picks as "soft pretzels".  (Read - he was never offered even a second #1)

You can disagree.  FAN-atic stuff.  Stepping in for the disgruntled and entitled G-men rooter.   But pissing on Barkley is simply wrong.

Back to the question - what did GM Bankshot's 2018 draft look like if working for NYG?  Then what for 2019?  Stay away from Qbs - assume you'd shitcan Manning and sign a free agent - dont even need to name the guy.

2018 - no Barkley - instead your "basket of picks"
2019 - no Jones - pick for need - which is many things
2020 - You liked Thomas, Simmons or other?
2021 - Stay at 11 after losing Devonta (pick who?) - or trade down as Gettleman did?

Yeah - looks like a division champ, surely.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 06:45:43 PM
Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.


No.  You cant share a conversation

When you are made to feel inferior (which is not my goal), you insult.  Hasn't changed in years.  Why now?

Peace out, Otter.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 06:50:34 PM
Re-read the Ringer article on the Giant's problems over the past few years.

and kid you don't make anyone in Elba feel inferior.

bur perhaps just a little dirty

LMAO

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 06:52:30 PM
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.


Because you simply can't handle yourself.

It's just sports, bro.  Find some common ground with people.

Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.

 


No, you don't.

You're just a little shit who thinks his farts are perfume.

Countless posters here, time and again, have proven you to be nothing but a sore loser, a pedantic and tiresome twit with an addiction to pissing matches, and an irrelevant shitstain.


Not to mention a convicted liar.

And a coward.

Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

Bet you won't.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
When you are made to feel inferior (which is not my goal), you insult.

He doesn't feel inferior.

He IS inferior.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 07:09:00 PM
LMAO

I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.

SSDD
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 07:15:58 PM
LMAO

I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.

SSDD

Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.

But I won my bet.

Knew you couldn't STFU.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 02, 2021, 07:24:14 PM
I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.


Because you simply can't handle yourself.

I think he handles himself too much. Metaphorically.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 07:30:35 PM
LMAO

I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.

SSDD

Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.

But I won my bet.

Knew you couldn't STFU.

Heh

Why would I possibly be influenced by a racist troll and STFU?

Kid and I were discussing football on a football forum and once again he got in over his head.

You know the feeling.

And congrats on winning your bet.

So who took the other side, Utley or Piggy or Uno or Sybil?

LMAO
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 07:48:07 PM
Hind sight is 20/20.

Hindsight is 20/30, at best.

We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 09:43:06 PM
LMAO

I guess Hammy-Utley-Piggy-Uno-Sybil felt left out.

SSDD

Left out was your permanent position on the sandlot, and you still haven't gotten over it, Levine.

But I won my bet.

Knew you couldn't STFU.

Heh

Why would I possibly be influenced by a racist troll and STFU?

Kid and I were discussing football on a football forum and once again he got in over his head.

You know the feeling.

And congrats on winning your bet.

So who took the other side, Utley or Piggy or Uno or Sybil?

LMAO

Buying into Joey's shit?

As usual, you lose again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 09:44:11 PM
Hind sight is 20/20.

Hindsight is 20/30, at best.

We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.

In hindsight, you should have stuck with your ban on banks. He did what he did. We all three know it, too.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 09:50:53 PM
Hind sight is 20/20.

Hindsight is 20/30, at best.

We think we see it clearly, but it is still not in focus.

In hindsight, you should have stuck with your ban on banks. He did what he did. We all three know it, too.

Says the poster who was permanently banned for worse stuff than you imagine Banks did.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
heh

poor hammy-Utley-piggy-uno sybil

he still carries the pain from some long ago immaterial discussion.

he's so sad

and even our global moderator said his 2-day ban on me was unwarranted and he was wrong.

I never did get an explanation for my banning over my "Slick Sammy" satire mocking our resident self-proclaimed pool hustler and drama queen of the green felt, Delaware Slim & None

LMAO

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Only 4 interceptions tonight.

The Saints can do better than that!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
heh

poor hammy-Utley-piggy-uno sybil

he still carries the pain from some long ago immaterial discussion.

he's so sad

and even our global moderator said his 2-day ban on me was unwarranted and he was wrong.

I never did get an explanation for my banning over my "Slick Sammy" satire mocking our resident self-proclaimed pool hustler and drama queen of the green felt, Delaware Slim & None

LMAO

I see you've doubled down on your own idiocy.

Meanwhile, with every post you keep proving me right, as I said in this post.

This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone. 

I left the land of pure civility several of your 360s ago.


Because you simply can't handle yourself.

It's just sports, bro.  Find some common ground with people.

Kid I share common ground with honest adults of reasonable intelligence.

 


No, you don't.

You're just a little shit who thinks his farts are perfume.

Countless posters here, time and again, have proven you to be nothing but a sore loser, a pedantic and tiresome twit with an addiction to pissing matches, and an irrelevant shitstain.


Not to mention a convicted liar.

And a coward.

Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

Bet you won't.




Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 03, 2021, 09:59:46 AM
Another quality contribution from the racist troll having nothing to do with the NFL.

SSDD

And who knew the racist troll also has a gambling problem?

LMAO



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 03, 2021, 10:04:24 AM
looking forward to MNF

Pats-Bills

Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.

I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.

The counter would be a ground game.

Should be a fun AFC E battle.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2021, 11:16:51 AM
Another quality contribution from the racist troll having nothing to do with the NFL.

SSDD

And who knew the racist troll also has a gambling problem?

LMAO

Your losses are piling up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
looking forward to MNF

Pats-Bills

Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.

I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.

The counter would be a ground game.

Should be a fun AFC E battle.

Nobody cares about eh AFCE.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 03, 2021, 01:38:21 PM

This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone. 

Stick to "fucking loser."

Cut the rest of your shit.

Not because it is true or not true, but because it pretends to knowledge.

You want to insult him, insult him. Leave family out of it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 03, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
looking forward to MNF

Pats-Bills

Bills opened at -3 went to -2.5.

I expect the Pats D to be fine, but do wonder about "Bama Mac playing in what is currently forecast as cold and windy conditions.

The counter would be a ground game.

Should be a fun AFC E battle.

Nobody cares about eh AFCE.

You are self-identifying as a nobody.

Good to know.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2021, 02:01:29 PM

This is among the reasons why you're such a fucking loser, why your wife left, why your daughter merely tolerates you, and you spend each night alone. 

Stick to "fucking loser."

Cut the rest of your shit.

Not because it is true or not true, but because it pretends to knowledge.

You want to insult him, insult him. Leave family out of it.

Sure, I'll leave them out. They left him out, seems fair.


Nice to see you playing guard dog, again.

Shame you don't hold him to the same standards.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 03, 2021, 03:01:47 PM
You are self-identifying as a nobody.

Good to know




You have once again chosen a side.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 03, 2021, 04:20:44 PM
You are self-identifying as a nobody.

Good to know




You have once again chosen a side.

I have chosen the same side repeatedly.

The side I have chosen is pro-language.

Ham says "nobody cares about the AFC east. He posts more about the Patriots than any other single poster. That makes him "nobody," according to his own words.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2021, 04:39:47 PM
You are self-identifying as a nobody.

Good to know




You have once again chosen a side.


Boston bias is real.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2021, 06:08:59 PM

According to Adam Schefter

"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."

Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 04, 2021, 06:43:52 PM

According to Adam Schefter

"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."

Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.

Adam Schefter should be unemployed:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior (https://www.thedailybeast.com/espn-reporter-adam-schefter-has-history-of-sketchy-unethical-behavior)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 04, 2021, 06:44:05 PM

According to Adam Schefter

"Ben Roethlisberger privately has told former teammates and some within the organization that he expects this to be his final season playing quarterback for the Steelers, league sources told ESPN."

Seem a little ambiguous, whether the Steelers want him or whether Ben wants to QB for another team.

He wants to be Brady's understudy in Tampa.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 05, 2021, 09:45:10 AM

Week 13


Thursday, Dec. 2, 8:20 PM Cowboys -4.5 NO 47.5    Dallas, 28-21.    Win.  Spread win.  Lost over.

Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Vikings -7 Detroit 47.  Vikings, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cardinals -7 Chicago 45.5.  Cardinals, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Buccaneers -11 Atlanta 50.5.  Bucs, under 
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Colts -9.5 Houston 46.  Colts, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Eagles -6 NYJ 45.   Jets, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Cincinnati -3 Chargers 50.5.  Chargers*, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 1:00 PM Miami -3 Giants 41.5.  Dolphins, under

* to win game

Sunday, Dec.5, 4:05 PM Las Vegas -2.5 WFT 50.    Raiders, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM Baltimore -3.5 Steelers 44. Ravens, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM LA Rams -13 Jaguars 48.  Jags, over
Sunday, Dec.5, 4:25 PM 49ers -3.5 Seattle 45.5.   Seahawks, under
Sunday, Dec.5, 8:20 PM Kansas City -10 Broncos 47.5.  Chiefs, under

Monday, Dec.6, 8:15 PM Buffalo -2.5 Patriots 43.5.    Bills, under

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 05, 2021, 02:39:23 PM
Brady had a historic game going - 21 first half completions

For some reason he throws from his 3 yard line with 25 seconds left

Pick 6.  3 point game vs team playing for their season.

Oy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 05, 2021, 03:48:17 PM
Huge game today then for Ben.

If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?

I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.

Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!

Is the game less important now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 05, 2021, 07:37:26 PM
They said that Harbaugh's call to go for 2 points was gutsy. Given that only one team gets a first round bye, the choice to not go for the tie, hoping to win in overtime, strikes me as foolhardy.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 05, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
that was one helluva 4th qtr and game ending drama in Pittsburgh.

Harbaugh almost stole the limelight from his bro.

I thought it was gutsy but dumb.

With Tucker he has the edge in OT.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 05, 2021, 11:01:49 PM
Huge game today then for Ben.

If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?

I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.

Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!

Is the game less important now?

heh

Moot point

Just finished watching the game.  Excellent job by Ben and entire group.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 05, 2021, 11:03:53 PM
Huge game today then for Ben.

If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?

I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.

Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!

Is the game less important now?

heh

Moot point

Just finished watching the game.  Excellent job by Ben and entire group.

What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2021, 08:24:45 PM
Pretty ragged start for both squads tonight.

Wind, snow, and cold.

It's only two series, but the under is looking pretty good tonight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 06, 2021, 09:30:00 PM
Huge game today then for Ben.

If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?

I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.

Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!

Is the game less important now?

heh

Moot point

Just finished watching the game.  Excellent job by Ben and entire group.

What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?

Didn't like it.

But they had a play they thought would work.  And it did.

Statistically they say Ravens chances of winning were reduced only 7 per cent

What did you think of Bellechick going for 2 tonight?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2021, 09:36:59 PM
Huge game today then for Ben.

If we lose do we see Haskins over the final couple of weeks?

I would think Tomlin lets Ben play it out.

Does the answer change if you repeat the post?!

Is the game less important now?

heh

Moot point

Just finished watching the game.  Excellent job by Ben and entire group.

What did you think of Harbaugh's decision?

Didn't like it.

But they had a play they thought would work.  And it did.

Statistically they say Ravens chances of winning were reduced only 7 per cent

What did you think of Bellechick going for 2 tonight?

Given the impact the wind had on his punter, seemed wise.

Reduced "only" 7% takes what had been 50-50 to 43-57.

But the reasoning of their having no more safeties (or was it corners) makes sense to me about avoiding OT.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2021, 10:31:04 PM
That the Bills held the Patriots to a field goal there may yet be big.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2021, 11:19:19 PM
that was about as old school/ground and pound as it gets.

Great win
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2021, 11:23:21 PM
that was about as old school/ground and pound as it gets.

Great win

Amazing red zone play.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2021, 11:36:21 PM
The D was special and that wind was like a 12th man (for both sides).

But what was really special was the Bills kkew the pats would run and run and run, but the Pats O-line was dominant.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 06, 2021, 11:53:26 PM
The D was special and that wind was like a 12th man (for both sides).

But what was really special was the Bills knew the pats would run and run and run, but the Pats O-line was dominant.

The Bills' press has been savage about that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 07, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Rate the rookie quarterbacks.

Is Lawrence still at ONE?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 07, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
Rate the rookie quarterbacks.

Is Lawrence still at ONE?

ONE, meaning at the bottom?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 07, 2021, 12:03:27 PM
I think at this point, and the sample size is still real small, and the learning curve is steep, if there were to be a redraft of the 5 1st round rookie QBs they might be drafted this way

Lawrence
Mac Jones
Fields
Lance
Wilson

IMO Lawrence's raw ability and college resume edges Mac Jones skills and smarts, but its close.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2021, 12:34:12 PM
IMO, Mac JOnes is only looking as good as he does because BB knows how to coach better than anyone and he knows how to put a great O-Line together. If you had put Daniel Jones with the Pats and Mac Jones with the Giants, you'd have a positive outlook on Daniel and a negative on on Mac.


COACHING makes the difference, and so does who is UP FRONT.

Carry on.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 07, 2021, 12:51:42 PM
BB is a great coach, and BB and MacDaniels have generally put Mac in a position to succeed.

and you'll never see me argue against the importance of an O-line.

Never.

Which was a central argument in my saying putting Saquon behind a No-line was dumb and a waste of an asset. 

The Pats struggled early this season when they had O-line injuries. But Mac still showed pretty good promise under stress and he does have a decent resume winning big games. And if the Pats can win with a smart QB who is accurate but doesn't have a cannon for an arm, or isn't a scrambling magician making magic throws, so what?

This game is about the W not the stats.

As to comping the Jones, I haven't seen a lot from Danny Drops yet, but he may have a stronger arm than Mac, but weaker fingers and can't hold onto the football.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 07, 2021, 05:13:05 PM
I still have Lawrence 1 - but its close

Mac and Lance have a chance to come out on top in time.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 09, 2021, 11:09:03 AM
After the 2018 season, the best QB from the 2018 draft was Baker Mayfield. After 2019 it was Lamar Jackson. After.2020 if was Josh Allen. This year they are all struggling.  I would pump the brakes on ranking the QBs for now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2021, 06:07:45 PM
WEEK 14


Thursday, Dec. 9, 8:20 PM MN -3 Steelers 44.5      Steelers*, over

Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM KC -9.5 Raiders 48.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 NYJ 43.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM TN -9.5 Jags 44
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cleveland -2.5 Ravens 42.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -3 Falcons 43
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cowboys -4 WA 48
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Seahawks -7.5 Houston 42

Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM Denver -8 Lions 42
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM LAC -10.5 Giants 44.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM Cincy -1 49ers 47.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM TB -3.5 Bills 52.5
Sunday, Dec. 12, 8:20 PM GB -12.5 Bears 43

Monday, Dec. 13, 8:15 PM AZ -3 Rams 52

5 straight weeks above or at .500 - a modest run.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
Re:  Barkley and that decrepit Giants line -

I imagine he'd have had 2500 yards plus in 2018 if the line were any good - maybe even 3000, eh, Banks?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2021, 07:23:11 PM
Re:  Barkley and that decrepit Giants line -

I imagine he'd have had 2500 yards plus in 2018 if the line were any good - maybe even 3000, eh, Banks?

kid its not my concern that you didn't understand the weaknesses of the team you root for.

or the values of real football players in winning real football games.

And I don't follow fantasy football so if you say the Barkely would have rushed for 3,000 yards in '18 with a decent O-line, I imagine he'd be a very impactful fantasy player.

best of luck with that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
After the 2018 season, the best QB from the 2018 draft was Baker Mayfield. After 2019 it was Lamar Jackson. After.2020 if was Josh Allen. This year they are all struggling.  I would pump the brakes on ranking the QBs for now.

IMO the interesting thing is the flood of new QBs over the past few years replacing the dinosaurs of the early 00s. Except for Tyranno Tom  in Tampa, and BenTosaurus in Pitt, Adds a lot of uncertainty every week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 09, 2021, 11:45:48 PM
Wow - that was fun....

Ben goin out as a warrior.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2021, 11:46:28 PM
Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 10, 2021, 11:35:53 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10020452-former-broncos-wr-demaryius-thomas-dies-at-age-33

RIP Demaryius Thomas.

Retired in June, dead in November. Suspicion is seizure while showering, as he has been having seizures.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 10, 2021, 05:57:25 PM
Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.

These folks disagree about Ben.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2021, 09:55:05 PM
I'm pretty sure there's a good chance they would understand and nod in agreement with the dinosaur analogy.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2021, 10:20:10 PM
Mike Tomlin

14 seasons (thru 2020)
0 losing seasons
7 division titles
3 conference title games
2 conference titles
1 SB win

Bill Cowher

15 seasons
3 losing seasons
8 division titles
6 conference title games
2 conference titles
1 SB win

Chuck Noll

23 seasons
7 losing seasons
9 division titles
7 conference title games
4 conference titles
4 SB wins
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.

These folks disagree about Ben.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers

Heh

Interesting piece

2 huge road games left (KC, Balt).

Home games are next week vs Titans, 3rd week vs Browns - to get Tomlin his 8 wins
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 10, 2021, 10:45:32 PM
Benniesaurus ain't extinct yet. That was a helluva 2nd half.

These folks disagree about Ben.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951322-heartbreaking-loss-to-vikings-should-kickstart-rebuild-process-for-steelers

Heh

Interesting piece

2 huge road games left (KC, Balt).

Home games are next week vs Titans, 3rd week vs Browns - to get Tomlin his 8 wins

Assuming he makes it to 8 wins this season, how many more after it before he is above .500 again?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2021, 11:16:22 PM
We shall see

Really need a lineman but would love to see a deal up for a QB considered
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 11:05:25 AM

WEEK 14


Thursday, Dec. 9, 8:20 PM MN -3 Steelers 44.5      Steelers*, over

Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM KC -9.5 Raiders 48.5.  Chiefs. under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 NYJ 43.5. Saints.  under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM TN -9.5 Jags 44.   Jags.  under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cleveland -2.5 Ravens 42.5.   Ravens.  over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Carolina -3 Falcons 43.   Falcons.   over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Cowboys -4 WA 48.  Football Team.  over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 1:00 PM Seahawks -7.5 Houston 42.  Texans.  over

Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM Denver -8 Lions 42.  Broncos.    under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:05 PM LAC -10.5 Giants 44.5.   Chargers.   over
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM Cincy -1 49ers 47.5.   Niners.  under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 4:25 PM TB -3.5 Bills 52.5.  Bills.   under
Sunday, Dec. 12, 8:20 PM GB -12.5 Bears 43.   Packers.  over

Monday, Dec. 13, 8:15 PM AZ -3 Rams 52.   Rams.   under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 12, 2021, 03:52:39 PM
Not a ton of tension in the 1pm games. Only one of them is within a score, though I grant that 6-7 would place the winner of that game into a shot at the Wild Card spots in their conference.
Title: AFC could 9-7-1 be good?
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 05:33:11 PM
Bills about to go 7-6
Bengals could be 7-6
Browns are 7-6
Denver likely 7-6
Just Chargers likely 8-5
Steelers at 6-6-1 - may be able to lose a game coming in - if it is not to Browns
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 12, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
Ravens are 8 - 5.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 05:44:48 PM
Heh

No defending the Giants and their staff today - as they just produced the ugliest last 2 minutes of a half imaginable, ending in a Chargers bomb completed behind 2 defenders wit less than 20 ticks left

Yeah.  It's the players.  Still...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
Ravens are 8 - 5.

Yeah, my bad - thanks

Wisdom still holds.  Huge game week 15.

Baker is stepping up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:12:00 PM
Look at these tough matchups next week

Short of upsets...

Chargers get Chiefs  go to 8-6
Colts get Patriots   7-7
Ravens...Packers    8-6
Broncos-Bengals actually bad since 1 has to win  8-6, 7-7

Pitt v Titans    7-6-1 if we win
Browns..Raiders   8-6
Bills .. Panthers    8-6

NFL gods - let it happen
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 12, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
Not a ton of tension in the 1pm games. Only one of them is within a score, though I grant that 6-7 would place the winner of that game into a shot at the Wild Card spots in their conference.

More games lacking tension.

Maybe tonight's will be close.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:29:07 PM
Al Michaels would disagree

Plenty of point spread tension
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:30:04 PM
Really looking forward to Bucs at Packers in January
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 12, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Al Michaels would disagree

Plenty of point spread tension

Not even, Kid. None of those games are close to the spread, either.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
Solid game for Saquon after the TD catch
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:54:11 PM
Giants TD seals the over
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:55:18 PM
And Denver TD kills the under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 06:58:44 PM
Bucs by 17

Lets see if Bills can get the first of the 2 back door cover TDs they need

UNDER looks solid
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:06:12 PM
Hahaha.....

10 point game

And Cincy tightens game with Niners
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:18:42 PM
Damn - Giants should have drafted ALLEN

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:19:30 PM
Bengals tie it up.u
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 12, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
It worked!

Two tight games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:31:02 PM
Robbie Gould just killed  my high
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
It worked!

Two tight games.

Such an asshole...

heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:39:17 PM
Ref swallows whistle for Brady

Enter HamSamuels for confirmation
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
Garapolo pulls it out of the fire for Niners
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Tough one

Saw that coming

BRADY RULES.  End of story.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2021, 07:55:36 PM
AFC scenario  -- INTACT.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2021, 10:18:40 AM
Ref swallows whistle for Brady

Enter HamSamuels for confirmation

Just ask an actual referee:

 https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1470196928680017920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470196928680017920%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Fformer-nfl-referee-admits-major-mistake-on-sunday (https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1470196928680017920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470196928680017920%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Ftop-stories%2Fformer-nfl-referee-admits-major-mistake-on-sunday)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 13, 2021, 10:52:04 AM
Josh throw up a poll.

Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2021, 12:00:33 PM
Josh throw up a poll.

Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?

Urban has never defended you.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 13, 2021, 12:45:20 PM
Josh throw up a poll.

Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?

Urban has never defended you.
Or attacked him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 13, 2021, 09:45:13 PM
Wild end to the first half tonight!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 14, 2021, 12:18:46 AM
Nice job by the Rams tonight.

A good game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on December 14, 2021, 02:40:22 AM
Josh throw up a poll.

Who's the bigger asshole, Hamilton or Urban Meyer?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 14, 2021, 08:25:30 AM
Nice job by the Rams tonight.

A good game.

Yep.

How's that Stafford deal looking?  Many thought Rams gave too much.

UNDER bettors got f**ked last night.

Cousin Sal (Fox Bet Live) had the game cold - picking it 30-24.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 16, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
So long, Urban Meyer!

Your type of bully is not welcome.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 16, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 16, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26qpvt%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26FORM%3dVDRE&qpvt=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&view=detail&mid=90D92BDBB9CA03221B6790D92BDBB9CA03221B67&&FORM=VDRVSR

 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26qpvt%3dold%2bfootage%2bof%2brocket%2bfailures%26FORM%3dVDRE&qpvt=old+footage+of+rocket+failures&view=detail&mid=90D92BDBB9CA03221B6790D92BDBB9CA03221B67&&FORM=VDRVSR)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 12:57:14 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 16, 2021, 12:58:21 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 16, 2021, 03:45:05 PM
So long, Urban Meyer!

Your type of bully is not welcome.

Here's a second for that emotion: https://sports.yahoo.com/the-big-bully-urban-meyer-finally-got-punched-in-the-mouth-150448575.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/the-big-bully-urban-meyer-finally-got-punched-in-the-mouth-150448575.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 04:39:39 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 16, 2021, 04:57:02 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.

I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.

Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 16, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.

Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 05:43:27 PM
 :NFL Week 15


Chiefs -4 @LA Chargers  50.5

Chiefs.  under.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 05:45:23 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.

Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.

Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 05:49:03 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.

I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.

Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.

Players want to

A - sign a contract that will provide for their family (see Hatteberg Moneyball scene)

B - get on the field so they can earn another (see A)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 16, 2021, 05:55:44 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.

Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.

Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo
Not on the field he won't.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 16, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.
I think Green Bay should sign him.

Besides, if he is good enough he will get signed. Christ, Damon Arnette just signed with the Dolphims and he is on tape threatening to kill someone. The only inexcusable crime for the NFL is kneeling.

Meyer will get a job in football before Lambo

Won't be in the pros, Kid.

And I would be there are a lot more Urban Meyer stories to come. He may never work again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 16, 2021, 07:43:54 PM
A lot of great college coaches have struggled trying to transition to the pros, but has anyone flamed out quite so spectacularly?

Flamed out how?  Did Urban have a strong roster?

It is not his roster that caused him to flame out, Kid.

Thats fine

Would have been cool to see the team he could build.

Meanwhile Lambo has kicked his last NFL point.

I suspect he was going to have a hard time attracting free agents or keeping his own when they were free to move, Kid, based on things like his kicking the kicker.

Can't build a team if people don't want to play for you and you are bad-mouthing your own chosen assistant coaches all the time.

Players want to

A - sign a contract that will provide for their family (see Hatteberg Moneyball scene)

B - get on the field so they can earn another (see A)

Players want to

a) Not be belittled

b) Not be physically assaulted

Owners want to

Not be embarrassed by their coaches.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 08:00:41 PM
Won't be in the pros, Kid.


Even if he didnt have the baggage Meyer isnt the type to go from pro HC to pro assistant, as so many (effectively or ineffectively) do

Precious few head jobs - and his last one, surely.

I have no idea if UM will try to coach again immediately.  Kahn may not be paying him (or even a settlement) so he may need the cash

Maybe he can coach the Rutherford HS running backs, with Garrett as TE coach.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 16, 2021, 08:07:03 PM
Won't be in the pros, Kid.


Even if he didnt have the baggage Meyer isnt the type to go from pro HC to pro assistant, as so many (effectively or ineffectively) do

Precious few head jobs - and his last one, surely.

I have no idea if UM will try to coach again immediately.  Kahn may not be paying him (or even a settlement) so he may need the cash

Maybe he can coach the Rutherford HS running backs, with Garrett as TE coach.
Fox Studio Host, again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 16, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
Good game

Not sure who I want to win
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 17, 2021, 01:15:28 AM
"Not over."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/urban-meyer-daughter-war-jaguars-fire-coach
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 17, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
"Not over."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/urban-meyer-daughter-war-jaguars-fire-coach

She is welcome to believe what she wants, but I have to say, it wouldn't make me more eager to hire him in the future,
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 17, 2021, 10:57:00 AM
I won't have a further opinion til I hear what Stephen A says.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 17, 2021, 11:27:27 AM
Won't be in the pros, Kid.

College football is a pro sport.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 17, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
Mayfield stamps his feet and gets his way

Browns Raiders moved to Monday
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 17, 2021, 09:34:49 PM
Week 15      12/18


Indianapolis  -2.5  Patriots   45.5       Colts   under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 18, 2021, 02:46:44 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-week-15-game-postponement

Kid, what do the COVID numbers and postponements do to the lines?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 18, 2021, 04:22:16 PM
CLE went from -6 to +3.5 and now is back to -3

Crazy - as we learn who is being added as active.

I have LV +6.

Not sure of the other games - I will check
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 18, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
Indy -2.5 is the same as I had it
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 18, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
Very nice job by NFL, seemingly admitting there are too damn many false positives

https://www.nfl.com/news/new-covid-19-protocol-to-feature-targeted-testing-of-fully-vaccinated-players-st
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 18, 2021, 09:36:05 PM
Not looking like a good game, thus far.

I hope the Patriots remember to show up in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
Week 15 Sunday

Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Buff -11 Panthers 43.5     Bills   under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Miami -8.5 Jets 43     Dolphins  under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Cowboys -10.5 NYG 45      Giants    over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Titans -2 Pitt 41.5       Steelers    over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Jax -3 Texans 40.5      Jags    under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Cardinals -13.5 Detroit 47.5    Lions    under

Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:05 PM SF -9 Falcons 45.5      Niners    over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:05 PM Denver -1.5 Bengals 43.5     Bengals    under
Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:25 PM Packers -5 Baltimore 43.5     Packers   over

Sunday, Dec. 19, 8:20 PM TB -11 Saints 46.5    Buccaneers   over


Week 15   Monday

Saturday, Dec. 18, 4:30 PM Cleve -6 Raiders 42     Raiders   under
Monday, Dec. 20, 8:15 PM Vikes -3.5 Chicago 44    Vikings    under


Week 15 Tuesday

Sunday, Dec. 19, 4:25 PM LAR -5 Seahawks 45.5    Rams   over
Sunday, Dec. 19, 1:00 PM Phil -4.5 WFT 44     Eagles    under

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2021, 10:00:48 AM
Not looking like a good game, thus far.

I hope the Patriots remember to show up in the 2nd half.

Its all about Jan/Dec football

Hasnt started well for Mac Jones

Now at 69 per cent for year with 18/10 TD-INT

Chance next week vs Bills.  Caution flags out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/tennessee-titans-pittsburgh-steelers-20211219023/


LETS GO!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 19, 2021, 10:04:27 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/tennessee-titans-pittsburgh-steelers-20211219023/


LETS GO!!!!

Pretty entertaining game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
This game sucks

Between the TB inconsistency and the zebras favoring them, can we please see some other team in prime time?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 19, 2021, 10:55:35 PM
This game sucks

Between the TB inconsistency and the zebras favoring them, can we please see some other team in prime time?

Haven't been watching the game, but a 9-0 score sure smacks of an ugly game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 21, 2021, 07:46:11 PM
TB unsportsmanship showed itself last night in multiple ways.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html)

https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1 (https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1)


Sports Illustrated should correct its major mistake.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 22, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Well, alright - got a good run going - 11-5 week, 20-10 over last 2

Week 16 NFL

Thursday, Dec. 23, 8:20 PM 49ers -3.5 TN 44.5     TN  and  under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 23, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
TB unsportsmanship showed itself last night in multiple ways.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-embodies-poor-sportsmanship-161910629.html)

https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1 (https://www.complex.com/sports/tom-brady-saints-coach-go-f-yourself-reactions/tweet-1)


Sports Illustrated should correct its major mistake.


I love how writers love to embellish. He says the Saints "stomped" the Bucs. Really? They had all of 6 friggin points after three quarters and ended up with 9.

LMFAO.

Okay they won a tough game, but don't exaggerate dude.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 24, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Saturday  12/25

Saturday, Dec. 25, 4:30 PM GB -8 Browns 44.5     Packers   over
Saturday, Dec. 25, 8:15 PM AZ -1.5 Colts 49.5      Colts   under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 24, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
Sunday 12/26 -  Mon 12/27


Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 44.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Phil -10 Giants 40.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Chargers -9 Houston 46
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Atlanta -6 Lions 43
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Cincy -2.5 Ravens 44
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Rams -3 MN 49.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NYJ -2.5 Jags 41.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NE -2.5 Bills 43.5

Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:05 PM Seattle -7 Bears 44
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM KC -10 Steelers 46.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM LV -1 Broncos 41.5
Sunday, Dec. 26, 8:20 PM Dallas -10.5 WA 47.5

Monday, Dec. 27, 8:15 PM NO -3 Dolphins 39
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 25, 2021, 06:04:55 PM

Sunday 12/26 -  Mon 12/27


Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 44.5   Buccaneers  under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Phil -10 Giants 40.5      Giants    over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Chargers -9 Houston 46      Chargers  under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Atlanta -6 Lions 43      Falcons  under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Cincy -2.5 Ravens 44    Ravens*   over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM Rams -3 MN 49.5     Rams   over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NYJ -2.5 Jags 41.5      Jets   under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 1:00 PM NE -2.5 Bills 43.5    Bills*  under

Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:05 PM Seattle -7 Bears 44     Seahawks   under
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM KC -10 Steelers 46.5   Chiefs   over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 4:25 PM LV -1 Broncos 41.5    Raiders   over
Sunday, Dec. 26, 8:20 PM Dallas -10.5 WA 47.5    Cowboys   over

Monday, Dec. 27, 8:15 PM NO -3 Dolphins 39    Dolphins  under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 25, 2021, 06:07:03 PM
Note:  Colts game today is with Colts WINNING
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on December 26, 2021, 12:31:23 AM
Note:  Colts game today is with Colts WINNING

And so it was. The Cards gave away too many points. The Colts tried to help, but could not overcome the generous 8 points given to them.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2021, 04:11:54 PM
Damn - tough spread loss in ATL game

No shot with Ravens after QB change

Still...4-4.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
Rough day for Mac Jones

December football
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 26, 2021, 04:18:24 PM
Question now - does 10-7 get Patriots in - or do they need to win week 18 in Miami?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 28, 2021, 07:30:37 PM
Rest in Peace John.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 29, 2021, 11:51:00 PM
Week 17  NFL

Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Indy -7.5 Raiders 45
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chicago -6.5 Giants 37.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Bucs -13 NYJ 45.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Buffalo -14.5 Falcons 44.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NO -7 Panthers 38.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 WA 46
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5 Cincy 49
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NE -15.5 Jaguars 41.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM TN -3.5 Dolphins 40.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Rams -3.5 Baltimore 46.5

Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM LAC -6 Broncos 45
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM SF -12.5 Texans 44
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Dallas -5.5 Cards 51.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Seattle -7 Lions 42.5
Sunday, Jan. 2, 8:20 PM GB -6.5 Vikings 47.5

Monday, Jan. 3, 8:15 PM Browns -3 Steelers 41
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 01, 2022, 09:46:34 PM

Week 17  NFL

Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Indy -7.5 Raiders 45.   Raiders. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chicago -6.5 Giants 37.5.  Giants.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Bucs -13 NYJ 45.5.  Bucs.  Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Buffalo -14.5 Falcons 44.5.   Bills.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NO -7 Panthers 38.5.   Saints.  Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 WA 46.   WFT.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Chiefs -5 Cincy 49.  Chiefs.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM NE -15.5 Jaguars 41.5.   Pats.   Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM TN -3.5 Dolphins 40.5.  Dolphins.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 1:00 PM Rams -3.5 Baltimore 46.5.   Rams.   Over

Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM LAC -6 Broncos 45.  Chargers.  Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:05 PM SF -12.5 Texans 44.   Texans.   Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Dallas -5.5 Cards 51.5.  Cowboys. Under
Sunday, Jan. 2, 4:25 PM Seattle -7 Lions 42.5.   Seahawks.  Over
Sunday, Jan. 2, 8:20 PM GB -6.5 Vikings 47.5.    Vikings.  Under

Monday, Jan. 3, 8:15 PM Browns -3 Steelers 41.   Steelers*   under
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 03, 2022, 05:12:15 AM
So who wins the awards brady or rpdgera?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 03, 2022, 11:59:36 AM
Depends on the fanboy voters
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 03, 2022, 01:27:02 PM
Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY)

Jimmy Piersall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo)

When do you think we'll treat athletes mental illness in this country without the kinds of comments that were thrown onto the Fox Broadcast, yesterday: "Antonio Brown Out in Tampa" and "now he's on the field creating issues", etc..

Pretty bad announcing, IMO.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 03, 2022, 04:11:35 PM
Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmK2mS5_TY)

Jimmy Piersall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWYkPG7-zNo)

When do you think we'll treat athletes mental illness in this country without the kinds of comments that were thrown onto the Fox Broadcast, yesterday: "Antonio Brown Out in Tampa" and "now he's on the field creating issues", etc..

Pretty bad announcing, IMO.

Or Simone Biles.

I agree.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2022, 02:33:33 PM
Week 18   NFL


Saturday, Jan. 8, 4:30 PM Chiefs -10 Denver 44     Chiefs  over
Saturday, Jan. 9, 8:15 PM Cowboys -7 Phil 42.5      Cowboys    under

Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Packers -2 Detroit 42.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM MN -2.5 Bears 44.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Colts -15.5 Jax 44
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Titans -10.5 Houston 43
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM WFT -7 NYG 38
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Steelers 42
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Cleve 42

Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Pats -6.5 Miami 40
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Buffalo -17 Jets 44
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM TB -8 Panthers 41.5
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Saints -4.5 Atlanta 40
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM AZ -7 Seahawks 48
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM LAR -4 49ers 44

Sunday, Jan. 9, 8:20 PM Chargers -3 LV 48.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 08, 2022, 11:07:44 PM
 Week 18   NFL


Saturday, Jan. 8, 4:30 PM Chiefs -10 Denver 44     Chiefs  over     WLW
Saturday, Jan. 9, 8:15 PM Cowboys -7 Phil 42.5      Cowboys    under    WWL

Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Packers -2 Detroit 42.5      Pack    under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM MN -2.5 Bears 44.5       Vikes     under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Colts -15.5 Jax 44       Colts     under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Titans -10.5 Houston 43     Titans   under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM WFT -7 NYG 38     WFT     under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Balt -5.5 Steelers 42      Steelers *    under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 1:00 PM Bengals -3 Cleve 42     Bengals   over

Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Pats -6.5 Miami 40     Dolphins     under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Buffalo -17 Jets 44     Jets      under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM TB -8 Panthers 41.5     Bucs    under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM Saints -4.5 Atlanta 40     Saints    under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM AZ -7 Seahawks 48     Seahawks    under
Sunday, Jan. 9, 4:25 PM LAR -4 49ers 44      Rams     under

Sunday, Jan. 9, 8:20 PM Chargers -3 LV 48.5       Raiders*    over


Hittin the FanDuel to pull for the Jags... but keeping my cash.  May check out the playoff futures as I have some strong  opinions on Supper Bowl participants this year.  (Will set up some kind of playoff pool)
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
Ben


Coach Tomlin


Beautiful.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 09, 2022, 05:03:43 PM
The Dolphins have received some generosity.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 11, 2022, 12:58:31 AM
The Dolphins have received some generosity.

And have responded with something else.

Good luck at your next job, Brian Flores!

And who's going to take DW now?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2022, 05:22:18 PM
45-31 last 5 weeks after the 9-6-1 for week 18

Too buried early to factor into the overall race.

Playoff picks by Friday

Early thoughts.  I like Dallas and Buffalo will be real tough.  GB-KC does likely loom however

Packers +375 a fine bet indeed to take the whole thing.

But...whio knows which players miss which games?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 11, 2022, 10:22:15 PM
Looks like great football weather in Buffalo Sat night😁😁
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 14, 2022, 10:04:21 AM
WILD CARD WEEKEND 2022


Saturday, Jan. 15, 4:30 PM Cincy -6.5 Raiders 49     28-24
Saturday, Jan. 15, 8:15 PM Buffalo -4 Pats 43           19-13

Sunday, Jan. 16, 1:00 PM TB -8.5 Eagles 49       31-20
Sunday, Jan. 16, 4:40 PM Dallas -3 49ers 49.5       27-20
Sunday, Jan. 16, 8:15 PM KC -13 Steelers 46.5      28-20

Monday, Jan. 17, 8:15 PM LAR -4 Cards 49.5       24-27



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 15, 2022, 01:05:04 PM
Bengals over the Raiders.

Patriots over the Bills.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 15, 2022, 08:51:01 PM
I am unenthused by the "performance" of the Patriots Defense thus far.

If our QB can avoid throwing it to the other guys, then we still have a chance in this game, but I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2022, 09:47:14 PM
Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 15, 2022, 10:09:00 PM
Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now

The game would have been totally different had we gotten that TD instead of a turnover there.

We'd be down 26 to 10.

Clearly a QB problem.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 15, 2022, 11:12:18 PM
Held them under 50!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 16, 2022, 09:21:09 AM
Pretty sure this is not Pats problem right now

The game would have been totally different had we gotten that TD instead of a turnover there.

We'd be down 26 to 10.

Clearly a QB problem.


To be expected
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2022, 10:44:49 AM
Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s

Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.

there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.

I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.

Poor ending to a decent season.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 16, 2022, 11:34:55 AM
The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.

It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.

But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.



Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2022, 06:06:46 PM
The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.

It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.

But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.



Heh

Same old Ham.

Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.

Here, let me make this easy for you:

The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.

(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)

It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 16, 2022, 07:59:57 PM
Some piss poor decisions by the Niner's coaching staff but they pull it out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 16, 2022, 08:02:48 PM
Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s

Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.

there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.

I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.

Poor ending to a decent season.


Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 16, 2022, 08:07:54 PM
The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.

It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.

But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.



Heh

Same old Ham.

Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.

Here, let me make this easy for you:

The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.

(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)

It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.

Get defensive much?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 16, 2022, 08:08:41 PM
Go, Chiefs. Get Ben The Rapist out.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 16, 2022, 09:02:23 PM
The Pats lost because the Bills were better, played better, and played with more confidence and commitment.

It's okay to acknowledge when another team beats you, instead of making excuses that your QB or D blew the game.

But then, Bostonian sportsmanship does not exist.



Heh

Same old Ham.

Only you can read what either Banks or me wrote and get that interpretation from it.

Here, let me make this easy for you:

The Pats 'offense was outplayed.
The Pats' defense was outplayed.
The Pats' special teams were outplayed.

(I wrote "our" but know you object to that, too.)

It was an uglier game than the beating the Eagles took today.

Get defensive much?

Didn't you watch the game?

They got defensive never.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2022, 10:12:15 PM
Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s

Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.

there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.

I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.

Poor ending to a decent season.


Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.

The Pats only real chance for a win was a sloppy/ smash mouth game with turnovers and mistakes and punts that pinned the Bills deep and maybe they could eke out a 17-14 win. But the Pats D no showed and they were trampled by a deeper and better Bills team that was prepared to go to war. The Pats were preparing for golf in Cancun. They peed themselves.

Bama Mac was along for the ride this year and he showed reasonably well (arm strength aside) next year the stakes are upped and we'll see what we got.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2022, 08:58:17 AM
2-4 last week vs number after finishing reg season strong (4-2 money line)

Saturday, Jan. 21, 1:05 PM TN -3.5 Bengals 47    23-22 Cincy
Saturday, Jan. 21, 4:40 PM GB -6 49ers 47.5       28-24 Packers
Sunday, Jan. 22, 1:05 PM TB -3 Rams 48.5        28-24 Bucs
Sunday, Jan. 22, 4:40 PM KC -2.5 Bills 55          27-24 Chiefs

Actually laid some futures cash out on GB to win SB and Cincy to win AFC.


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2022, 09:35:03 PM
had a decent WC week at 4-2 and a decent year ending the regular season a few games over .500 and clinging to a modest lead in the SoSH ATS pool heading into the divisional round.

still mulling over picks.

leaning home favs tomorrow, may 2nd guess myself and go Cincy at +3.5 (I hate that hook, and I haven't had them right all year), and I'm brutal at last minute switches (like 2-8)

I kind of like GB to bring another title to title town, and they're the ML favorite, but Rodgers is such a dick its tough to root for the guy.

I'm still rooting for TB12, old habits etc. though I'm not sure he can beat the Rams this time
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2022, 10:10:19 AM
Miami had the no-name defense in the 70s

Pats unveiled the no-show D last night.

there was a D in the Dolphins, there is no D on the Pats.

I thought the Pats would lose last night but not to piss themselves.

Poor ending to a decent season.


Yeah there was a lot on the young Pat QB. A little defense by the Patriots would have helped immensely.

The Pats only real chance for a win was a sloppy/ smash mouth game with turnovers and mistakes and punts that pinned the Bills deep and maybe they could eke out a 17-14 win. But the Pats D no showed and they were trampled by a deeper and better Bills team that was prepared to go to war. The Pats were preparing for golf in Cancun. They peed themselves.

Bama Mac was along for the ride this year and he showed reasonably well (arm strength aside) next year the stakes are upped and we'll see what we got.

Pats need to, IMO, draft a killer WR first thing. Or sign a killer WR in FA. Preferably draft the Arkansas guy, or one of the OSU guys. Mac is a pure timing QB IMO with little to zero scrambling coming out of him. It's all 1-2-3-4 with him. He's got some mobility but not much and he takes forever to get his butt moving. I like the guys arm but his mobility sucks. Thus, 1,2,3,4,. Give him good WR's and he is going to thrive because he's usually going to get off before 3.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2022, 02:32:29 PM
Last three mocks I have seen, Pats were taking a DB, a DL (guy from GA) and a WR (tall guy from USC)

Wide open.  Could also be a trade.

Giants at 5 and 7 much more interesting.  Is Hutchinson good enough to attempt to deal up for?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2022, 04:07:40 PM
Last three mocks I have seen, Pats were taking a DB, a DL (guy from GA) and a WR (tall guy from USC)

Wide open.  Could also be a trade.

Giants at 5 and 7 much more interesting.  Is Hutchinson good enough to attempt to deal up for?
No. At least not for the Giants. The difference between him and what will be available at 5 is not that great. And while I think he is really good, he is not a Bosa Young Garrett level of talent.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2022, 04:08:00 PM
I think if the Giants don't fix their OL they will continue to be TOAST. Cross, Linderbaum, Green. Or Neal, Linderbaum, Green. The only other guy, if I were picking for the Giants, that I would be interested in is Stingley, a once every ten years caliber of talent IMO.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2022, 04:34:24 PM
The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned.   Wouldnt mind that.

And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2022, 07:01:38 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2022, 07:03:38 PM
Second, who thinks the Bengals better get a couple of O-linemen in the off-season? LOL
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2022, 07:58:06 PM
The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned.   Wouldnt mind that.

And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?
Because there is no QB i would take at 5 or 7. Or, relevantly for me, 13.

Neal or Cross, Thibodaux or Hutchinson, Stingley. One of those guys is available at 5. Depending on who you get at 5, Ekwonu or Lloyd, maybe Hamilton. Not as sold on the Purdue DL as some.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2022, 08:54:54 PM
Thats cool

I do like Willis out of Liberty in a deal down scenario
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2022, 09:03:18 PM
The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned.   Wouldnt mind that.

And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?

Good player I like him. No slam dunk QB really available IMO.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 23, 2022, 12:08:21 AM
No comments on today's games at all?! Weird.

A lot of people likely lost a lot of money on that Packers game!

Wonder if the underdogs will win both games again tomorrow. I'm hoping the Bucs win, but would love for the Bills to knock out the chiefs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 23, 2022, 12:15:35 AM
Quote
We've spent more than a decade listening to Rodgers and the Packers lament their missed opportunities, and this one feels even bigger than the rest.

From NFL (dot) com.

Pretty hard to sell Rodgers as the best of all time with performances like this one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 23, 2022, 03:51:27 AM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 23, 2022, 03:53:22 AM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job
offensive plays
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 23, 2022, 06:16:55 AM
I am happy SF won in the frozen tundra. Cold could have been detrimental for Brady and Bucs my favorite.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 23, 2022, 11:35:44 AM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job


I thought it was a cowardly call by the review ref. The old the call "stands" bullshit. I thought the reply showed the ball hit the ground before possession. But I could be wrong, been wrong before. I'd like to see a digital frame out of the replay footage.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 23, 2022, 11:46:44 AM
The Utah linebacker Lloyd has been mentioned.   Wouldnt mind that.

And if not sold on Jones why not take a QB?

As I said earlier No QB worth those high slots. I also really like the Georgia LB/EDGE guy Walker I'm totally surprised he's not getting way more ink. And both of the OSU WRs. Clark from LSU has the look of a starter he impressed me in the Ole Miss game. But folk think he gets pushed around too much. If he shows the speed I think he will in the combine (if they have one) I think you'll see people start climbing back on his bandwagon.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 23, 2022, 11:55:38 AM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 23, 2022, 12:41:45 PM
A Niners Rams NFC Championship game would be great.

BTW, "I did my own research" and Green Bay won that game.

Heh
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2022, 02:31:56 PM
A lot of people likely lost a lot of money on that Packers game!


40 bucks.

Paid 190 if they won the whole thing.

Good games yesterday
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2022, 02:35:37 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.

heh

So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2022, 03:21:39 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.

heh

So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 23, 2022, 04:01:32 PM
The Bucs are in trouble if their O-line can't do a better job of keeping the Rams away from Brady.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2022, 05:03:33 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.

heh

So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.


But are you giving him a contract?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2022, 05:05:05 PM
Wtih first three home teams losing, stands to reason Chiefs win tonight, right?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2022, 05:49:01 PM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.

heh

So where are you now on Mayfield/Keenum/etc?
Mayfield surgery went well. Has the fifth year option coming up. Keenum is an ideal QB if are happy going 7 - 9. There is no QB I would take in R1 of the draft over Mayfield.


But are you giving him a contract?
Why make the decision now, unless it is to get rid of him, regardless.  We have him for another 2 if we want him. And he would not want the contract last year would give him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 23, 2022, 06:01:04 PM
No back to back SB trophies for Brady this time around.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2022, 06:44:43 PM
that self immolation by the Rams was one of the greatest gakks ever in a big-time game.

They should have won that game by 3 scores

a 27-3 miracle CFBW would have been nice for TB12 to pair with his 28-3 CFBW a few years back.

if that's the GOAT's swan song it ain't a terrible way to go out



Strange game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 23, 2022, 10:11:01 PM
Great defensive strategy by the Bills the last 13 seconds
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2022, 10:11:27 PM
Will say it again

HATE THE OT RULE

Give me a reason they do not change it

First time it worked in my favor.

Unbelievable 2 days o football.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2022, 10:15:16 PM
and then a stranger game.

that was a dilly of a day of football.

the NFL knows how to cram a lot of football into the closing minutes.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 23, 2022, 10:23:47 PM
Will say it again

HATE THE OT RULE

Give me a reason they do not change it

First time it worked in my favor.

Unbelievable 2 days o football.

 OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.

This was a great game settled by a coin toss.

Weak.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2022, 09:18:26 AM
Show of hands who thinks the Titan interception call was right or wrong?
Terrible call by the video review. But whoever was calling the Bengals offensive player should be looking for a new job

The Bengals left tackle that was gettin his ass handed to him all game didn't help. Don't know if he was a backup or what.
They ignored the gaping issue with their O line in last years draft and to a wide receiver instead. Bloody fools.

Dripping with Sarcasm. LOL


Which is why I've included Stingley in my thoughts. Chase was special, as is I have repeatedly said that I feel Stingley is too.

PS: Carmen was a good 2nd round pick for the Bengals. If the Giants do take Stingley, I would hope they go OT for their 2nd pick. Although I could also be very happy with Linderbaum for that pick.

My point was to address the OL early and often and not wait until round 4 to start thinking, "hey you know, our offensive line sucks". Maybe we should do somthing about it. Linderbaum is also IMO another one of those special guys for his position.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2022, 09:22:03 AM
Will say it again

HATE THE OT RULE

Give me a reason they do not change it

First time it worked in my favor.

Unbelievable 2 days o football.

 OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.

This was a great game settled by a coin toss.

Weak.

I, and I think most fans, would be satisfied if both offenses simply have one offensive series guaranteed.
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 24, 2022, 05:06:21 PM
Will say it again

HATE THE OT RULE

Give me a reason they do not change it

First time it worked in my favor.

Unbelievable 2 days o football.

 OT rules should be that visiting team gets a chance to score a TD first, then home team gets the ball to do the same.

This was a great game settled by a coin toss.

Weak.

I, and I think most fans, would be satisfied if both offenses simply have one offensive series guaranteed.

Agree. No need for a coin toss. The home team can choose to take the ball first or second. Each team gets their chance to score.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2022, 07:51:53 PM
I think that is fair. The coin toss could though be a strategic bonus. One thing that many don't think of in the scenario that is being discussed. But the coach in me sees the advantage of deferring and getting the ball second. Sure getting the ball second let's you know what you're up against, FG or TD.


But more importantly if you need any kind of score at all it gives you the advantage of playing 4 down ball. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 25, 2022, 10:07:58 AM
I think that is fair. The coin toss could though be a strategic bonus. One thing that many don't think of in the scenario that is being discussed. But the coach in me sees the advantage of deferring and getting the ball second. Sure getting the ball second let's you know what you're up against, FG or TD.


But more importantly if you need any kind of score at all it gives you the advantage of playing 4 down ball.

If you know going into the game who gets choice of starting with the ball in OT, you can strategize appropriately. I think that helps both teams and it creates fairer competition.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 26, 2022, 02:53:00 PM
If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 03:58:21 PM
If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.

Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 26, 2022, 04:02:11 PM
If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.

Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Well, there may be reasons the overcome the main one (weather conditions,.etc) but if everyone gets the ball at least once, you want it second to know what you need, a field goal or touchdown. If you go first you do not know if a field goal is enough to at least tie. Going second, you do. That is why teams that win the toss in college always choose to go second. Regardless of home or away.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 04:05:19 PM
If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.

Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?
Well, there may be reasons the overcome the main one (weather conditions,.etc) but if everyone gets the ball at least once, you want it second to know what you need, a field goal or touchdown. If you go first you do not know if a field goal is enough to at least tie. Going second, you do. That is why teams that win the toss in college always choose to go second. Regardless of home or away.

I see your point.

But the pros play a much more refined and skilled game.

Some teams will take 3 and rely on their F. Others may want the TD and keep their fingers crossed on the D.

The former may want the ball first, the latter taking it second.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 26, 2022, 04:09:53 PM
I think that we all agree that both teams should get at least one offensive possession (unless the defense scores on the first offensive possession of the OT).

Is there anything else we have ever all agreed upon?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 04:12:25 PM
So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.

It worked in the past.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 26, 2022, 06:03:23 PM
So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.

It worked in the past.
That would be my choice. And then one more quarter with kick off if still tied. Until one team is ahead or everyone gets Winslowed of the field by his teammates.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2022, 06:17:42 PM
And then when the final whistle is blown, the refs can tack on a few more minutes of playing time, as they do in European football.

I like the sudden death TD aspect, if the defense can't prevent a first possession TD, maybe they deserve to lose. Make one fucking stop.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2022, 07:07:38 PM
So maybe the OT extra quarter is just played out to the full time? Then each team may get multiple chances to take the ball.

It worked in the past.

I like this.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 26, 2022, 07:17:37 PM
If I knew I was going to get a chance to score no matter what I'd want the ball second every time. I think every coach in America would too.

Don't you think it makes a difference if you're the home or road team, especially in a playoff game?

Not really Hammy. If you get the ball last and know you have to score then you get the advantage that the first team didn't have. 4 down football. The other team was working off of 3 down and then either decide to punt or go for 4th down. When you play 4 down football your options change and the defenses problems increase. It's not a guarantee of success, but it is an edge. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 26, 2022, 07:19:35 PM
I think that we all agree that both teams should get at least one offensive possession (unless the defense scores on the first offensive possession of the OT).

Is there anything else we have ever all agreed upon?!

Hammy is an asshole?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 26, 2022, 07:21:28 PM
No wait....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 27, 2022, 12:40:59 AM
And then when the final whistle is blown, the refs can tack on a few more minutes of playing time, as they do in European football.

I like the sudden death TD aspect, if the defense can't prevent a first possession TD, maybe they deserve to lose. Make one fucking stop.

Except it applies equally to the other team: if they can't prevent one, whether or not they have scored already, then they don't deserve to win.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 27, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
Once again, the four down ball applies. The first defense (most likely) gets to play 3 down defense at least generally speaking. The second defense gets the 4 down ball if the other team has scored. Of course, on the flip side if they stop them once it's over.

But options the offense has really weighs in their favor, especially on third down calls. Normal 3rd down rules would not necessarily apply.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2022, 02:18:02 PM
Ben Roethlisrapist is quitting.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 27, 2022, 03:30:19 PM
Josh will be so sad.  One less guy to be wrong about
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 27, 2022, 04:01:58 PM
Josh will be so sad.  One less guy to be wrong about

Josh already posted about this, but I have no idea what about him I had wrong.

And I assure you, as somebody who makes more mistakes than you make decisions, Kid, I will not run out of things or people to be wrong about.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 28, 2022, 08:20:18 PM
Sunday conference title games


Sunday, Jan. 30, 3:00 PM KC -7.5 Bengals 53.5

Sunday, Jan. 30, 6:30 PM LA Rams -3.5 49ers 46.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 29, 2022, 01:52:01 PM
Sunday conference title games


Sunday, Jan. 30, 3:00 PM KC -7.5 Bengals 53.5

Sunday, Jan. 30, 6:30 PM LA Rams -3.5 49ers 46.5

28 - 21 Chiefs

24 - 17 Rams
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 29, 2022, 03:30:58 PM
The GOAT retires. Well played
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 29, 2022, 03:53:02 PM
The GOAT retires. Well played
Of course he was certainly no Joe Flacco😂😂😁😁
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 29, 2022, 04:23:12 PM
The GOAT retires. Well played

Very

For over 20 years

Best ever.

An amazing career.

TB12--thanks for the fun

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 29, 2022, 05:19:23 PM
DANIEL JONES TO TAMPA
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 29, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
I have not seen anywhere that "Brady says he is retiring."

Until that happens, I think it is all premature.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 30, 2022, 11:22:41 AM
Agree.

Rapoport added: "Brady is on vacation and far away from what I can tell. The fact that this got out now has no doubt frustrated him to no end. Again, this is someone who is extremely in charge of his brand, in everything that is produced, everything around him, everything social media puts out. They do a great job. But this is very un-Brady-like. The fact that the Buccaneers have not yet been informed that he is for sure walking away, probably is not a good look. I think Brady handles everything first class. I'm sure that he is steaming that this got out. However, I do believe this is true, that he is, in fact, going to retire."



https://www.nfl.com/news/buccaneers-qb-tom-brady-retiring-from-nfl-after-22-seasons

Would be cool if he did comeback.  Has said he would love to finish with a win.  Could Tampa management convince him they can gather together enough talent for this to even be a possibility?  Guys getting older,  the Antonio mess, etc...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 30, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
I'll go with Cinci and the Niners, both for the win, with both games going over.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 30, 2022, 12:27:12 PM
Over on KC game being bet big even as it creeps up .  Some have it as high as 55.5

Money also went big on Chiefs first at 6.5 then at 7.  Can't find a 7 anywhere now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 30, 2022, 06:20:48 PM
Over on KC game being bet big even as it creeps up .  Some have it as high as 55.5

Money also went big on Chiefs first at 6.5 then at 7.  Can't find a 7 anywhere now.

I had Mixon scoring on that last big run, not coming up short. But I will settle for having beaten the spread and called the winner in this first game. May I do so well in the second!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 30, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
Well done, sir


Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 30, 2022, 08:26:52 PM
About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 30, 2022, 09:37:48 PM
About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.

Both teams had a possession on offense.

One was just more offensive than the other.

But the current version of the rule still sucks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 30, 2022, 09:42:04 PM
Well done, sir

Thanks.

The second game, I got the winner wrong and the over/under very wrong, but beat the spread. 50/50 for the day and 50/50 for the playoffs (as I only guessed two other games).

In the land of wouldacouldashoulda, one dropped interception toss made the difference.

In the early game, the choice to not kick the field goal at the end of the first half made the difference.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 30, 2022, 10:01:47 PM
Andy Reid'a clockmastery bit KC in the ass today.

As Pats fan may remember 21-3 wasn't quite enough in Indy in '06 either.

went 1-1 today, (8-4 for post-season, over .500 for year,) and locked up '21-22 SoSH ATS pick 'em tourney, 2up 1 to play.

GO BENGALS
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 31, 2022, 06:22:52 AM
Totally unexpected. Looks like Burrow is an elite and Detroit buried its very talented signal caller.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 31, 2022, 09:11:20 AM
 
Cant wait to hear Stephen A's take on Eric Bieniemy today.  (Smith has been hypercritical of teams not moving to hire Bieniemy, lately as the GB offensive coordinator was hired by Denver)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 31, 2022, 09:19:28 AM
So...were those games won, yesterday, or were they blown?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 31, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.

Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) .   I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.

I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.

Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?

I had this one dead-on at LAR 20-17, thought the 49ers could win but loved the .5 hook

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 31, 2022, 11:11:34 AM
Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.

Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) .   I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.

I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.

Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
Maybe they could draft someone last year...
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 31, 2022, 11:20:06 AM
Taking little from the CinnCats or Rams and their deserving comebacks, I think there was a big slug of "blown" in both the wins.

Mahomes looked lost in the 2nd half, desperate to find someone open (kudos D adjustment) .   I would have loved to see him lose that fumble and the game on the penultimate 4Q play/pathetic scramble and strip sack.

I had KC covering (34-21) but in 4Q I was hoping for the upset. I couldn't handicap Cincy all year, yesterday was no different.

Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?
Maybe they could draft someone last year...

Having gotten so close to the SB, the 49ers may decide for a more potent offensive weapon than an untested lance. And many find Rodgers very offensive.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 31, 2022, 11:32:04 AM
Jimmy G. was just terrible, gotta beleive its time for the 49ers to move on. Rodgers? Russell?


LOL
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 31, 2022, 11:40:32 AM
A concise rebuttal.

Which says nothing to the point.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on January 31, 2022, 01:02:38 PM
I think Reid blew it, as I (and many others) noted, when he didn't manage to get at least 3 at the half.

Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.

Not sure I think the Niners blew it more than its just being a back and forth kind of game. This is not to disagree about individual performances, but to suggest that those happen in the ebb and flow of most games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 31, 2022, 01:07:08 PM
I think Reid blew it, as I (and many others) noted, when he didn't manage to get at least 3 at the half.

Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.

Not sure I think the Niners blew it more than its just being a back and forth kind of game. This is not to disagree about individual performances, but to suggest that those happen in the ebb and flow of most games.
Well, yes. But Mahomes threw the ball to someone with a poor shot to score. That is on him. He also took two sacks when they were inside the 5 at the end of the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on January 31, 2022, 02:15:54 PM
I'm not sure I would characterize a game where one team up 17-7 late in the 3rd qtr, and gives up the last 13 points to lose 20-17, as back and forth.

YMMV

I thought the 49ers offense game plan to the extent there was one, was uninspired and JG's performance terrible.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 31, 2022, 04:15:34 PM

Cant wait to hear Stephen A's take on Eric Bieniemy today.  (Smith has been hypercritical of teams not moving to hire Bieniemy, lately as the GB offensive coordinator was hired by Denver)


More like hysterical. LOL
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 31, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
Cinci made strong adjustments on both sides of the ball and it paid off, but how much more they could have done, looking down the barrel at 21 points instead of 18, is unclear given the final result.


Wouldnt have been 21.  Cincy already had ten when Chiefs decided not to take the 3.

But still - a  wow move by Reid
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on February 01, 2022, 10:14:56 AM
Brady makes it official.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/01/sports/tom-brady-retires/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/01/sports/tom-brady-retires/)

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 01, 2022, 11:01:35 AM
Thank God Brady spared us the Long Goodbye.
GOAT would  have been reduced to goat.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 01, 2022, 11:41:18 AM
Tampa - trade for Carr or sign Mariotta?

Drafting a QB a near certainty.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 01, 2022, 12:27:11 PM
Tampa - trade for Carr or sign Mariotta?

Drafting a QB a near certainty.
Why would LV trade in their Carr? They were a playoff team, who do they replace him with?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 01, 2022, 01:05:07 PM
Who ya got in Tampa?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 01, 2022, 01:12:46 PM
Who ya got in Tampa?
Not sure, because I am not sure who will be on the market.  A lot depends on coaching hires,  how much does the new coach like, oh, Kirk Cousins or whoever.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 01, 2022, 05:50:06 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 01, 2022, 08:14:47 PM
Who ya got in Tampa?
Not sure, because I am not sure who will be on the market.  A lot depends on coaching hires,  how much does the new coach like, oh, Kirk Cousins or whoever.

Agree.  Definitely a "stay tuned".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 02, 2022, 04:29:17 AM
Kyle Trask
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 10:51:43 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?
Yes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2022, 11:15:59 AM
About that NFL OT controversy:
Never mind.

Both teams had a possession on offense.

One was just more offensive than the other.

But the current version of the rule still sucks.


Yep.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2022, 11:25:34 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?

If his accusations are correct yes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 02, 2022, 11:30:13 AM
Flores stayed silent and took the money.  He could have called Ross out immediately if he didnt think the $$  offer for losses was akin o good and proper NFL business.  Now it sounds like spoiled cheese (worse than grapes)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 02, 2022, 12:57:53 PM
Tough case to prove. No one violated the Rooney Rule, if they interviewed minority candidates.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Tough case to prove. No one violated the Rooney Rule, if they interviewed minority candidates.
Uh, I think if they interviewed them AFTER deciding to hire someone else, which is the claim, that.would be against the spirit of the rule at the very least.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 02, 2022, 02:45:38 PM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 03:12:40 PM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 02, 2022, 03:49:51 PM
How about.....

Daboll happened to go first
Daboll knocked it out of the park.

What more needs to be said after this?

Except that due to the rule Flores - whether or no the Giants still thought he could surpass Daboll - needed to be interviewed.  Without the rule maybe Giants call and  cancel.

None of this will mean shit to anyone who is stuck on GIANTS ARE RACIST BASTARDS,  which would be par for the Elba course.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 02, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.

Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.

You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.

So prove that wasn't the case.


Maybe the BB text just prove that Flores has thin skin.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 05:51:35 PM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.

Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.

You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.

So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 05:52:48 PM
How about.....

Daboll happened to go first
Daboll knocked it out of the park.

What more needs to be said after this?

Except that due to the rule Flores - whether or no the Giants still thought he could surpass Daboll - needed to be interviewed.  Without the rule maybe Giants call and  cancel.

None of this will mean shit to anyone who is stuck on GIANTS ARE RACIST BASTARDS,  which would be par for the Elba course.
No one on Elba has made that claim.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2022, 05:53:49 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?
Yes.


Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2022, 05:58:34 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?
Yes.


Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
It is evidence, but we do not know what is behind BBs statements or who made them. Hearsay is admissible way more often then you think.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 03, 2022, 10:42:29 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/brian-flores-sues-nfl-for-discrimination-after-sham-giants-interview/)

Brian Flores is an angry man.

Should he be?
Yes.


Does he have a case provable Steve? Belichick doesn't work in any capacity for the New York football Giants. So is that hearsay evidence? Do we have any audio footage or witnesses of the Dolphins owner saying any of what he's accused of?
It is evidence, but we do not know what is behind BBs statements or who made them. Hearsay is admissible way more often then you think.


Would Flores need some sort of actual documentary proof, or witnesses, to back up his other claims to be more than he said she said?

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 03, 2022, 10:44:36 AM
The Washington Football Team has a new nickname....

The Washington Commanders

Commanders is code for Commanders-in-chief (DC ese)

Chief is short for REDskins.

IOW THE Washington RedSkins live on.


They considered Liars and crooks, but it just didn't seem catchy enough.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2022, 10:50:53 AM
Jones, first rounder and second rounder for Wilson
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2022, 11:30:57 AM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.

Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.

You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.

So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.

"On its face".

Where this "case" will flop.

 

The Giants had decided that they wanted an offensive minded coach, not a defensive minded coach. Flores can try to prove otherwise, but he won't be able to do so. That is all the Giants need to say. He wasn't what we were looking for, and we thought, okay, let's see if he can change our minds. He didn't. On him, not them.


He wants to be Curt Flood. He's not. 

He had three OC's in three seasons in Miami. Why??

And why did he stop talking to his own staff. In NOVEMBER?

It is being reported by Dolphins beat writer Marcel Louis-Jacques of ESPN that Former Miami Dolphins Head Coach stopped communicating to his coaching staff around Thanksgiving time. Per Louis-Jacques,

He stopped communicating with his staff somewhere around really Thanksgiving and even about things like daily meeting plans.


https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/ (https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/)

Maybe he's just a guy who cannot get along with others. And who wants that persona as their head coach? Oh, wait...he's black, better give him a chance because of his skin color.

That's fucked up. The Rooney Rule is racist.





 
 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2022, 01:47:27 PM
The Washington Football Team has a new nickname....

The Washington Commanders

Commanders is code for Commanders-in-chief (DC ese)

Chief is short for REDskins.

IOW THE Washington RedSkins live on.


They considered Liars and crooks, but it just didn't seem catchy enough.

I thought Washington Lobbyists would work....the DC. K Street crowd would chip in for the free PR!

Their goal was to aim for a more inclusive presence within the organization. "Commanders" is an authoritarian term. I'd say they've failed to reach their goal. Lobbyists might have been better, as it seems everyone has a lobby in DC.

Red Hogs, which many of their fans like, would include lobbyists.

But PETA would be upset, as would those who advocate for colors other than Red.

Until they get a QB, I think their fans will call them by many different names.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2022, 02:17:22 PM
Commands at the Washington Football Team: I command you not to look at or speak to Daniel Snyder! I command you to get some more lewd pics into that video! I command you to sit next to me so I can grab your thigh.

Gee, maybe that name really works.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/six-former-washington-employees-make-new-allegations-against-daniel-snyder-at-u-s-house-committee-hearing/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/six-former-washington-employees-make-new-allegations-against-daniel-snyder-at-u-s-house-committee-hearing/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2022, 07:55:38 PM
All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter  was it just an honest mistake?

One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.

Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.

And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 03, 2022, 08:48:04 PM
All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter  was it just an honest mistake?

One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.

Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.

And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 03, 2022, 08:49:36 PM
And Bellechick text proves this?

The official hire of Daboll was when?

And the Flores interview?

Was Flores given the chance to knock the Giants socks off?  To show Schoen he had something other than  years HC experience that Daboll lacked?


I would say YES.  He was.
No, the Belechick tests are evidence that the interview was a sham interview designed to pay mere lip service to the Rooney Rule. There are reasons to question what BB actually knew and how, of course, but they do show the Giants made the decision to hire Daboll before ever interviewing Flores.

Uh, no. They don't prove that at all.

You can be high on a candidate, and then say, wait...we gotta look at one more, and then say, well, we still like the other guy.

So prove that wasn't the case.
I did not use the word prove for a reason. It is evidence that they reached a decision and the interview with Flores was a sham. As I noted, other explanations can be conceived of, based on what BB heard and was told and who told him. But on its face it is some evidence to support the claim Flores makes about his interview being not in good faith, and a violation of the Rooney Rule.

"On its face".

Where this "case" will flop.

 

The Giants had decided that they wanted an offensive minded coach, not a defensive minded coach. Flores can try to prove otherwise, but he won't be able to do so. That is all the Giants need to say. He wasn't what we were looking for, and we thought, okay, let's see if he can change our minds. He didn't. On him, not them.


He wants to be Curt Flood. He's not. 

He had three OC's in three seasons in Miami. Why??

And why did he stop talking to his own staff. In NOVEMBER?

It is being reported by Dolphins beat writer Marcel Louis-Jacques of ESPN that Former Miami Dolphins Head Coach stopped communicating to his coaching staff around Thanksgiving time. Per Louis-Jacques,

He stopped communicating with his staff somewhere around really Thanksgiving and even about things like daily meeting plans.


https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/ (https://dolphinstalk.com/2022/01/brian-flores-stopped-talking-to-his-staff-around-thanksgiving/)

Maybe he's just a guy who cannot get along with others. And who wants that persona as their head coach? Oh, wait...he's black, better give him a chance because of his skin color.

That's fucked up. The Rooney Rule is racist.

Is there any chance the Players Union has a role in any of this?
No. Coaches are not in the Union and I do not believe the Rooney Rule is a part of the CBA.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2022, 08:30:58 AM
All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter  was it just an honest mistake?

One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.

Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.

And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.

Giants have answered thi

Cant you see this as Mara and BB had a conversation where Mara said he really liked Dabol (this after just the 20 minute meeting).  BB takes that and runs with it, texting who he thought was Daboll a congratulatory, "I heard they really like you, that's great".....

Anything else is either sinister on BB's part or reeks of a Giants lie.  Are you calling them liars?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 04, 2022, 09:11:02 AM
https://theathletic.com/3108864/2022/02/03/lloyd-hue-jacksons-complaints-against-browns-resemble-his-coaching-career-they-both-fall-short/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

Flores may have an argument, but Hue Jackson's claims don't support it, argues this article.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Hue going 1-31 and claiming he got offered money to lose is just WAY funny.  Let it not be lost on anyone either that Flores started 0-7 that first season.  May have felt guilty after tanking the first seven for cash (was 25-18 afterward, to his credit)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2022, 09:27:20 AM
The money for losse thing is the funniest part of this all - especially that it allegedly happened in the league more than once.

Owner certainly would never fess up to either offering or actually paying it out.  Coach would never admit if he took the cash.  So what we are left with is  Flores and Jackson's accusations toward ownership - same guys that let them go from their jobs - not a good look.  Now, if there was a third party that knew of actual payment...

NFL is a mess, between race/gender, officiating, fan hatred on players, social media out of control, etc......but BUCKS and interest are still there, so its a muddy survival to say the least.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter  was it just an honest mistake?

One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.

Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.

And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.

Giants have answered thi

Cant you see this as Mara and BB had a conversation where Mara said he really liked Dabol (this after just the 20 minute meeting).  BB takes that and runs with it, texting who he thought was Daboll a congratulatory, "I heard they really like you, that's great".....

Anything else is either sinister on BB's part or reeks of a Giants lie.  Are you calling them liars?
As I said there are innocent and guilty explanations for BBs comment. What we know is that BB made the comment in his mistaken emails. To learn the truth we need to learn what BB based his comments on. And I tend to neither believe nor disbelieve denials without more to go on.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 10:04:45 AM
Kuntzler is using the "when did you stop beating your wife" method of analysis for this one.

His hatred is getting the best of him.

Funny,though, he was a lotess lathered about all that confirmed sex abuse at MSU.


Try waiting for more facts, Kuntzler, before rushing to judgement.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2022, 10:23:13 AM
Heh. Forrest, who has already sided with the white power structure over the African American man, accuses someone else of rushing to judgement.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 04, 2022, 12:36:53 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 12:39:01 PM
Heh. Forrest, who has already sided with the white power structure over the African American man, accuses someone else of rushing to judgement.

It's important for you to try to maintain your status as a knee-jerk leftist, so have at it, asshole.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 12:42:33 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.

But they hadn't decided. So there's that.

Rooney Rule is racist as currently constructed, no laughing needed, because it is not going far enough to meet its objectives.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-addresses-progress-shortcomings-with-rooney-rule/ (https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-addresses-progress-shortcomings-with-rooney-rule/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 04, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.

But they hadn't decided. So there's that.

How do you know that, Ham?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 02:07:39 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.

But they hadn't decided. So there's that.

How do you know that, Ham?

BECAUSE, unlike you, I have inside information.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.

In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.

It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.

In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.

Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.



https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)


This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2022, 03:57:00 PM
All kinds of thoughts on Bellechick in this matter  was it just an honest mistake?

One thing for sure - Flores was more flustered going into the interview due to BB's gaffe.

Giants today say that BB is full of beans since they had only spoken to Daboll for 20 minutes via Zoom prior to meeting with Flores - and would never hire someone off just that one contact.

And ELWAY says Flores is full of beans as well regarding his interview with the Broncos (tale of DEN execs including Elway showing up late and "disheveled and hung over".
Well, of course there are denials. The real question is how BB knew that the Gs would hire Daboll? Who told him, and why? Those are the questions that need to be answered, unless you are Forrest and will accept the word of whites in power over the claims of an African American evwry time, without question. There are a range of possible answers from innocent to damning. What apparently has never been denied is that BB texted Daboll was going to be hired by the Gs before Flores was interviewed and the Gs hired Daboll. That is definitely suspicious and needs investigation.


"If" they can get a credible witness within the Giant's org that will testify. If not, I would think the law would say "heresay" at best. Yeah it "looks" damning but in the end you need a source or you got squat. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 04, 2022, 04:17:26 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.

But they hadn't decided. So there's that.

How do you know that, Ham?

BECAUSE, unlike you, I have inside information.

Uh huh.

How swell for you.

Unless you were there when the decision was made, you have at best insider "what we want you to believe," Ham. You would hardly be the first person mislead in such a circumstance.

Further, you would be among the first to reject another person's unsubstantiated claims to "inside information."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2022, 04:55:09 PM
Based on available information, with an understanding that further data may influence this opinion...

I am pretty well convinced that Flores' interview was a sham in the sense that the Giants had already decided to hire somebody else. I don't think it involved conscious racism, if it involved racism at all.

In their shoes, I would have responded to his accusation the following way:

1) It is true that we had already decided to hire somebody else. The Rooney rule requires us to interview, not to hire, minority applicants. And we did not cancel our interview with you upon our making that decision because of the Rooney Rule, but also because we anticipated this sort of accusation.

2) We also interviewed you because we wanted to hear what you had to say about what you would do. We were sincerely curious about your thoughts and thought it would be a cheap way to pick your brain. Obviously, we were wrong on the latter point - the cost is far higher than we expected.



The claim that the Rooney Rule is racist is laughably wrong-headed but, as already posted in tother thread, totally predictable. Affirmative Action efforts are a response to endemic racism.

But they hadn't decided. So there's that.

How do you know that, Ham?
Because white people are denying racism and he always - ALWAYS - believes that black people claiming racism are the real racists.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2022, 05:05:19 PM
The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.

In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.

It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.

In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.

Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.



https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)


This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no inte tion of.ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 06:14:09 PM
This could change the game altogether:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/04/arbitration-clause-could-quickly-derail-the-brian-flores-lawsuit/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/04/arbitration-clause-could-quickly-derail-the-brian-flores-lawsuit/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2022, 06:16:05 PM
The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.

In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.

It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.

In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.

Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.



https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3 (https://www.giants.com/news/statement-from-the-new-york-giants-february-3)


This official statement from the Giants is in line with what I was told by sources I shall not name.
Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no inte tion of.ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.

Well. You're simply unaware.

Ignorant.

Out of the loop.

Grandstanding.


Lying.

Full of shit.

What else is new?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 06, 2022, 11:42:29 AM
Sources I shall not name have told me that the Giants had already decided on Daboll and were going to interview Flores as a sham to make it appear they were in compliance with the Rooney Rule, but they had no intention of ever considering him. And I am confident my source is as good as yours, in that they are both entirely notional.



Having no intention of hiring the black man is STILL in compliance with the rule.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on February 07, 2022, 09:25:23 AM
Daboll is obviously tied to the new GM
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2022, 01:33:23 PM
Super Bowl in AZ in 2023?

This guy says NO!


In 1992 Arizona voters approved an MLK holiday and the league granted Arizona the 1996 Super Bowl.

That was a good thing.

But while we have the holiday, a symbol of justice and equality, we continue to deal with an ugly reality.

How would Dr. King feel, I wonder, about the NFL granting a Super Bowl to a state where minority voters were under attack and teachers couldn
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 12, 2022, 06:12:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-59881432
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 13, 2022, 12:01:29 PM
No pick for me today -

7-5, 6 - 6 finish for playoffs .  Just gonna enjoy this one.  QBs with 2 good stories.


Who gets the ring, Giants fans? Eli Apple or OBJ?  Heh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 13, 2022, 06:15:30 PM
I predict a Bengals win, but under, not over.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 13, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Here we go already - coaches reinventing the damn game



Just punt the fucking ball.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 13, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
Hmm
Mixon throws wide open TD pass
Nice Bengal reinvention
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 13, 2022, 07:48:29 PM
Oh shit they just praised the ref.  Something crazy must now happen.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 13, 2022, 10:02:09 PM
Good game.

Better team won, barely.

Beat the spread and the score was under.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 13, 2022, 10:03:01 PM
Not sure why they didn't take the time to review the spot after 3rd and 1.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 13, 2022, 10:06:19 PM
Not sure why they didn't take the time to review the spot after 3rd and 1.

They, the Refs? Because adjustments of that sort almost never happen in the last 2 minutes.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 13, 2022, 10:15:57 PM
Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 13, 2022, 11:16:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fraSdN-PG8

Sports Go Sports by Garfunkel and Oates.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 14, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.

True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 14, 2022, 11:05:44 AM
Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change

If Burrow had stayed at OSU, he'd not be in the NFL.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 14, 2022, 11:06:38 AM
A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.

True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.

Stick to CFB.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 14, 2022, 11:26:16 AM
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.


BURROW = MARINO

Will never be back.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 14, 2022, 11:58:50 AM
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.


BURROW = MARINO

Will never be back.
He was sacked 70 times this year, counting the post season. He has averaged being sacked 3 times a game. That is not sustainable from a health standpoint. He was already hurt once. If the Bangles do not invest in some OL talent around him the hero will definitely take a fall, and his career arc will be Tim Couch, not Dan Marino.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 14, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
A Super Bowl record seven sacks for LA. Maybe, just maybe, spending a premium first round pick on a WR when you have one of the worst OLs in the league is a decision some may justly question.

True mildly interesting fact: Cinci lost its first SB by 5, its second by 4, this one by 3. If they make the SB 4 more times, they might win one.

The third one might prevent the 4th to happen - can't lose by 0.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 14, 2022, 01:25:20 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 14, 2022, 02:09:32 PM
Yep

Would have scored anyway - you get the feeling.  If not they had 3 timeouts left
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on February 14, 2022, 02:39:36 PM
Yep

Would have scored anyway - you get the feeling.  If not they had 3 timeouts left

I didn't have the feeling that they would have scored anyway.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 14, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 14, 2022, 08:10:54 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
There was the obvious missed defensive holding by the Rams that forced Cinn  to kick a field goal instead of a first and goal on their first scoring drive. The thing is they were letting things go all game and at the very end call a phantom defensive holding penalty
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 15, 2022, 08:50:50 AM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs

But they got a facemask TD, so there's that. And they couldn't give their QB enough time to keep the ball away from LA.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 15, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
And with the game on the line the best player on the field made back to back big plays.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 15, 2022, 01:23:36 PM
Was he offside on one of them?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 15, 2022, 09:50:48 PM
He was offside on one of them. I've also seen the footage now that almost the entire Rams line jumped the snap on the phantom foul third down call against the Bengals
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 16, 2022, 04:00:20 PM
Was he offside on one of them?
No. For the record, I was referring to Aaron Donald.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 16, 2022, 04:05:56 PM
Congrats to Stafford.
Burrow with his OSU training will be there soon.
Great NFL Playoff for a change

If Burrow had stayed at OSU, he'd not be in the NFL.

Maybe. But you're right Urban Meyer didn't recognize what he had.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 16, 2022, 04:07:44 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs


Yep.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 16, 2022, 04:09:26 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.

Maybe. But as the old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 16, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
Don't know which was the bigger joke. The halftime show or the phantom defensive holding call against the Bengals on third down on the Rams last drive. Instead of 4th and game they get a new set of downs
Well, maybe a make up for missing T Higgins obvious face mask on Ramsey on his second td catch.
There was the obvious missed defensive holding by the Rams that forced Cinn  to kick a field goal instead of a first and goal on their first scoring drive. The thing is they were letting things go all game and at the very end call a phantom defensive holding penalty


Yep again.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 16, 2022, 09:34:37 PM
Was he offside on one of them?
No. For the record, I was referring to Aaron Donald.
I saw a photo that showed Donald lined up offside. At least that's what I was referring to😀😀
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2022, 07:00:38 PM
My Cleveland  Browns draft thanks to PFF:

13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB

Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 17, 2022, 08:49:36 PM
Bailey Zappe

Is he related to George Zipp?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 18, 2022, 05:21:49 PM
Bailey Zappe

Is he related to George Zipp?
Win one for the Zapper.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 18, 2022, 08:37:44 PM
My Cleveland  Browns draft thanks to PFF:

13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB

Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.


Decent draft considering PPF's list of available players is woefully thin.



Try this one:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 21, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
My Cleveland  Browns draft thanks to PFF:

13. Tyler Linderbaum, C
45. George Pickens WR
77. Boye Mafe, Edge
104. Skyye Moore, WR
115. Bailey Zappe, QB
154. Micah McFadden LB
191. Tariq Woolen, CB

Admiedly the last couple are kind of blind. I figured the draft is long on WR, a big need, and could get a couple later, so I went with Linderbaum. Specifically, I gambled Pickens, who healthy may be the best 9f the lot, would be a ailable in the Second. Was tempted by Moore in the 3rd, but could not let Mafe drop, and.when Moore fell to the 4th, had to have him. I think Zappe is a good developmental prospect at.QB, though I doubt he has the arm to be a true star. And then I guessed.


Decent draft considering PPF's list of available players is woefully thin.



Try this one:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/)
Nice site.  What I have noticed with both sites is if I draft Linderbaum or Davis at 13, I wind up liking my draft overall much better than if I take a WR at 13.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 24, 2022, 12:05:31 PM
WFAN's Tike Barber interestingly notes Giants save cap room with a deal up to 2 to get Hutchinson.

But he would stay at 5 and 7 and take a lineman, like most.

Tike also says Jones is the QB, period.  Has real good things to say about both Coughlin and Fassell - and  likes the opening message from Dabol to his staff.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 04:43:27 PM
I have been playing around with trades on the PFN simulator. I am not that sold on the three the WR who are likely to go at the top of the draft.  I figure the sweet spot for a trade down is the early 20s. My recent draft, sending 13 to Arizona for 23, 55 and next years second (they take Gardner).

23 Treylon Burks. Close between him and Drake London, both available. When I have traded down lower, though, both are usually gone by, say, Tennessee s choice.
44 Devonte Wyatt. No chance in hell he is there irl. But he is in the simulation.
55 Boye Mafe. I think he will go before PFN has him ranked. Late middle second round seems good.
78 Daniel Faalele. Loading up on Gophers. Besides I think his name rhymes with sheleighly.
98 Quay Walker. Probably projects as a back up, but I like him.
106 Haskell Garrett. We really need more interior DL. I did not like the potential edges here.
117 Skyy Moore. Like the name.
153 Charlie Kolar. We are losing one if not two TE and are a 31 heavy team.
192 Cordell Volson. OL depth.
221 Connor Heywood. Liked his progression to TE, but undersized. I see him as an H Back, or a FB who can catch out of the backfield.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 05:18:47 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/sport/calvin-ridley-suspended-gambling-spt/index.html

He wasn't with the team. He was away for personal reasons.

Indefinite suspension through at least the year ahead.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 07, 2022, 07:22:34 PM
Hamilton

Giants

Please
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2022, 05:30:02 PM
Absolutely HUGE NFL news today. I refer of course to the Browns putting the franchise tag on David Njoku.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2022, 11:45:28 AM
Very nice

Now trade Mayfield and you are all set.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2022, 11:58:19 AM
New mock - I like it

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2022-3-round-seahawks-commanders-steelers-buccaneers/segznkorrstppuzldgybv6ec

Giants get OT and egde rusher (Go, Blue)

My man Willis goes to Seahawks at 9.  Leaves Cincy's RIDDER for Steelers after they also miss out on Pickett (not good).

Jets hit the SAUCE at 10 after getting pass rusher with first election

Browns of course fumble by taking a WR and of course Cap's guy Mafe ends up with Chiefs.





Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 08:08:11 PM
Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2022, 08:11:07 PM
What retirement?

Gret for the league.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 09:25:32 PM
No. Not great. Time's up. Get off the stage. That's how it works.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 13, 2022, 09:40:18 PM
Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.

He probably figures that with the larger bases he has a lower chance of getting picked off.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 10:13:38 PM
Attention Whore Brady cancels retirement.

He probably figures that with the larger bases he has a lower chance of getting picked off.

Rimshot!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2022, 12:04:16 PM
New mock - I like it

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-mock-draft-2022-3-round-seahawks-commanders-steelers-buccaneers/segznkorrstppuzldgybv6ec

Giants get OT and egde rusher (Go, Blue)

My man Willis goes to Seahawks at 9.  Leaves Cincy's RIDDER for Steelers after they also miss out on Pickett (not good).

Jets hit the SAUCE at 10 after getting pass rusher with first election

Browns of course fumble by taking a WR ...
Not anymore. Looking at that draft, probably an Edge, even with Wicomico. Or.especially with him. Though given the release of President Trotter, maybe Linderbaum.

Wow, that is an odd autocorrect.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 17, 2022, 12:54:59 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 17, 2022, 01:51:53 PM
Baker Mayfield is in the awkward position of having burned his bridges when he was still on the far side of the river.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2022, 03:39:25 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Southern fuck.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2022, 08:14:28 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
Did I write convicted, Forrest?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2022, 05:13:19 PM
Wait... what?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bankshot1 on March 18, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Just a flesh wound.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2022, 07:20:43 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Just a flesh wound.
The accused serial abuser is the only QB they passed on in the draft in those years that in real time I wanted them to take. But with what is hanging over him I would not have touched him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2022, 10:09:31 PM
On the bright side, I can ignore Mock Draft stories for the next three years.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2022, 09:23:33 AM
Wait... what?


Hahahahahahah

Funny stuff, eh, Whisk.

Embrace it - you guys may be very good.  Though drafts night may suck.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 19, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Wait... what?


Hahahahahahah

Funny stuff, eh, Whisk.

Embrace it - you guys may be very good.  Though drafts night may suck.
Oh, I liked Baker more then a lot of people but Watson is a significant improvement, which is important in a division with Burrow and Jackson and a conference with Mahomes and Allen. I do not like it in terms of draft.capital given up and hate it in terms of what if even some of the allegations are true. If only the thought that Roethlisberger got a 6 game suspension for one sexual assault allegation where nothing was proven in civil or criminal court..what do you get for.24? And to invest that much in someone with all that over him, and make him the face of the franchise? Granted, watching him play down the road next February might make it worth it.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2022, 10:43:03 AM
I dont thik the NFL comes down too hard on Watson.  6 games.  Depending on if he wanted to appeal as Ben did.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 19, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
I dont thik the NFL comes down too hard on Watson

Didnt Ben pay (settle) to get charges dropped?  Sort of an admission of guilt?
Well, there may be a reason for that 45 mil signing bonus.

From a legal standpoint, settlement is not an admission and there are a lot of reasons people settle. Roethlisberger got suspended based on an independent investigation. I assume the Browns did due diligence - Andrew Berry and Peter Brand seem to know what they are doing - and are comfortable with Watson and potential penalties.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 19, 2022, 05:13:20 PM
Traded Keenum, brought in Bassett, which strikes me as a move you make when you think your QB is going to miss 6 to 8 games.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 21, 2022, 05:59:00 PM
Matty Ice to Baltimore!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 21, 2022, 06:37:04 PM
Updated picks board after that deal

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-every-team-s-full-set-of-picks

Great job by Falcons, who turn and add Mariotta.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
Wow!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016002-report-chiefs-tyreek-hill-traded-to-dolphins-for-5-draft-picks-including-2022-1st
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 23, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Maybe is because he has pissed me off for years on my fantasy teams, but Tyreek Hill for Juju Smith-Shuster does not seem like an improvement.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 23, 2022, 07:36:44 PM
Hahaha

Only the JETS could make headlines that they were in talks to get a key All Pro (Hill), then have the guy go to a division rival just one day later
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on March 24, 2022, 08:21:30 PM
Patriots to let Providence use team jet for game. Class act by a Class organization
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on March 31, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10031291-buccaneers-bruce-arians-retires-from-coaching-todd-bowles-named-replacement

Apparently the timing of Arians' decision and Brady's unretirement is suspicious to some - though whether there is causality involved or not is a matter of conjecture.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 11:17:24 AM
I rejoice at the change in OT rules which now allow both teams at least one possession in the overtime period.

It's about fucking time!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 11:19:16 AM
While the NFL improved their OT rules, MLB has decided to keep their ghost baserunner in extra innings.

I am not a fan of that gimmick.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 01, 2022, 06:26:25 PM
Accused serial abuser Watson has limited his choice to Atlanta or Nawlins. So we dodged a bullet there.

Accused does not mean convicted, does it? Or has the radical left changed the meaning of that word, too?
Did I write convicted, Forrest?

Did I say you did, Kuntzler?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 08:31:16 PM
Giants CANNOT let Drake London fall to Jets at 10.

Make them pick him at 4 if they want the guy as badly as it seems.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 10:36:23 PM
Giants CANNOT let Drake London fall to Jets at 10.

Make them pick him at 4 if they want the guy as badly as it seems.

How does one make them do anything?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2022, 12:02:36 AM
By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10.  Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 02, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10.  Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three

Um... that's a great time travel paradox, but it doesn't actually work. You can threaten to take him at 7  all you would like, but at 4 they don't know what you will do and they may not believe your threats.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2022, 08:59:32 AM
Exactly.

And we make them pay for it.

What I was saying.....

He who gets London does welll, I think. 

As well as if they  had picked someone else in that slot?  Can be debated, as always.

 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on April 09, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/09/sport/dwayne-haskins-steelers-death-spt-intl/index.html

Wow!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 14, 2022, 06:59:33 PM
By taking him at 7 you prevent the Jets from getting London at 10.  Thus YES, they needed to take him at 4

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three

I still prefer Neal and then either Linderbaum or Green. Not a popular combination with many, but IMO eminently practical.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 24, 2022, 10:38:05 PM
Lindebaum to Round 2 in latest NFL.com mock
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on April 25, 2022, 05:33:16 PM
Do you think the giants and jets both pass on Evan Neal?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2022, 07:16:02 PM
IF they are wise.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 28, 2022, 06:31:37 PM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2022, 07:02:44 PM
Well.....

He is still the starter.

Giants cannot spend Mayfield dollars.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 29, 2022, 08:08:50 AM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2022, 09:20:44 AM
Well done, NY teams.

Eagles farted.

Ravens get another stud as Hamilton drops.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 29, 2022, 10:47:58 AM
I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production. But yes, they nailed both picks, getting the top edge rushers and OT. Baker will appreciate having Neal and Thomas.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 29, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2022, 12:19:52 PM
I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production.



As were the Lions.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 29, 2022, 01:17:51 PM
I think the Giants were the beneficiary of the Jags valuing combine numbers over production.



As were the Lions.
I prefer Thib. I think Hutchinson will be a good, steady performer. But not a Bosa/Garrett type.

But then I did not see anyone who impressed me as a sure No. 1.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2022, 03:02:54 PM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.

I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all.  Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 29, 2022, 03:10:19 PM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.

I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all.  Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
My guess is next year so they can condition it. 4th round, 3rd if he plays 75% of the snaps, 2nd if he also takes you to the playoffs, that kind of thing.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 29, 2022, 04:13:23 PM
Trevor Bauer gets suspended for two years. My first thought is, I hope Goodell is not paying attention. My second is that I suck as a person for thought number 1.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2022, 11:37:11 AM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.

I guess Mayfield to the Giants happens tonight, if at all.  Figure they would want one of this year's picks.
My guess is next year so they can condition it. 4th round, 3rd if he plays 75% of the snaps, 2nd if he also takes you to the playoffs, that kind of thing.

Right.  Good info.

I dont think it will be Giants.  But we shall see.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 01, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
Well, there really is no problem keeping Baker on the books for now. He counts against the cap if they release him and also if they need to eat a huge part of his salary. A team like the Giants - and I confess to some chain yanking there - or more likely Seattle could get to training camp and find him a more attractive option. Right now the leverage is against the Browns but later that could.change.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 02, 2022, 08:34:47 AM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.

You don't know shit 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 02, 2022, 10:35:50 AM
Bu-bye Daniel Jones. Hello... Baker Mayfield?

Uh...no. If Mayfield couldn't handle backwater Cleveland, he would last about a day in NJ.
No, Baker feeds on negativity and doubters. He will love it there.

You don't know shit
Not true, I know you and you are shit.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 03, 2022, 09:05:42 AM
So...no takers for Mayfield.  What now?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 03, 2022, 11:27:54 AM
So...no takers for Mayfield.  What now?
Cue Mick: Tiiiiime is on our side.

For now we can wait. The closer we get to training camp the more valuable he gets. Someone is getting hurt, someone is going to realize Lock or Jones or Hurts sucks, but not suck bad enough to allow them to draft C J Stroud. As long as we do not need the money or the roster spot, so we need to trade him before the 53 man cutoff date.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 12:45:16 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 11, 2022, 11:06:05 AM
I've seen some of his interviews, he comes across as very likeable IMO.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2022, 12:35:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!

According to who?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2022, 11:59:15 AM
Sadly it is now known Haskins had a drinking problem


https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/dwayne-haskins-steelers-medical-examiner-report/index.html


Did the Steelers know?

Did the league know?

Who did know- and refused to act?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 24, 2022, 01:21:38 PM
Sadly it is now known Haskins had a drinking problem


https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/dwayne-haskins-steelers-medical-examiner-report/index.html


Did the Steelers know?

Did the league know?

Who did know- and refused to act?

Nothing in that news story says anything about a drinking problem, rather than a single night of excess. He may have had a problem, but we don't know about it at this time. OTOH, the place he was drinking had best be looking over their shoulder.

"we respectfully request and pray for privacy, for patience, and for the public to withhold any judgment during this period" doesn't seem to mean anything to you.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 28, 2022, 02:06:49 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!

According to who?

How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on May 28, 2022, 06:52:51 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!

According to who?

How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?

While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.

Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.

Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.

Disagree with those?

Have any of your own?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 01, 2022, 11:56:23 AM
https://theathletic.com/3343045/2022/06/01/tom-brady-nflpa-sales

Tom Brady tops the NFLPA-connected earnings list.

Okay, that's a gross understatement. Tom Brady's take was more than numbers 2 through 4 combined.

And it was less than 20% of his off-field football-related earnings of $52 million.

As the article points out, post-Patriots he has turned on his off-field earning potential.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 12:19:29 AM
https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/cam-newton-admits-he-didnt-fully-grasp-patriots-offense

Cam Newton admits what everybody else already knew - he did not get the Patriots' offence.

He thinks there are not 32 QBs better than he is.

He is very imaginative.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!

According to who?

How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?

While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.

Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.

Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.

Disagree with those?

Have any of your own?

So..not Jerry Remy, then.

Okay.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 02:53:47 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/media/tom-brady-fox-sports/index.html

Any bets on whether he will actually be a good announcer?!

According to who?

How does one define "good announcer"? Got a rubric for that one, josh?

While I am quite sure that this is a subjective area, there are still some basics.

Having a command of the game is useful. Willingness to call it as it is. Ability to listen. Ability to admit to being wrong.

Not constantly taking the team's side in a dispute.

Disagree with those?

Have any of your own?

So..not Jerry Remy, then.

Okay.

No, definitely not Jerry Remy.

I neglected to include "alive" in my description.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2022, 05:02:24 PM
He was no good before and definitely not after.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 05:23:36 PM
He was no good before and definitely not after.

LOL

You are a card.
Title: Golden Tate joins an independent league baseball team!
Post by: josh on June 15, 2022, 12:52:36 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/nfl-wide-receiver-golden-tate-playing-baseball
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 15, 2022, 08:33:13 AM
Love it.  We may see much more of this moving forward as unaffiliated pro baseball teams grow in number.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 21, 2022, 01:20:17 PM
Watson has settled 20 of the 24 civil suits against him, which should at least clear the way for the NFL to suspend him. I suspect it is a year. Serves us right.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2022, 12:12:18 PM
Bart Scott tells you what's what:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/)

And he's right.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 01:37:01 PM
Bart Scott tells you what's what:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/19/bart-scott-every-defensive-player-would-rather-face-tom-brady-than-peyton-manning/)

And he's right.

Oddly enough, no. He just isn't.

Quick single example is Michael Strahan, who has said he feared playing Brady more than Manning.

No idea if anybody has polled them, but "every" defensive player is demonstrably false.

What else is new?

But if a guy who regularly got beaten by Brady while having a career that started later and ended a decade earlier wants to diss ol' Tom, he should go ahead and do so. It is, after all, about the clicks!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
I just became a Joe Burrow fan. Here's why: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joe-burrow-shares-abortion-rights-222243373.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joe-burrow-shares-abortion-rights-222243373.html)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 30, 2022, 10:44:21 AM
Joe is for COMPROMISE

Nice.

Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2022, 11:08:20 AM
Joe is for COMPROMISE

Nice.

Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.

You don't read too well.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 30, 2022, 01:27:40 PM
explain....

or is this not what you want?

is it that you want all abortions to be legal.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
Joe is for COMPROMISE

Nice.

Now - explain how we could help that mother (of the 20-week non developing fetus) get her abortion while also protecting the healthy unborn.

You REALLY don't read well.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 06, 2022, 03:52:33 PM
Interesting article the seems to indicate Watson may get a lesser suspension than the NFL wants. Or perhaps none at all.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/04/taking-a-closer-look-at-the-nfls-case-against-deshaun-watson/

.eanwhile, the Browns get a pick for Baker about a round later than I expected.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 16, 2022, 02:49:20 AM
It's not just that Brady is the greatest QB of all time - it's that it isn't even close.

https://abolt.newsweek.com/s/honest-best-nfl-quarterbacks

The distance between TB12 and number two is the same as the distance between number two and just above number five.

P.S. Peyton is not number two and Montana didn't make the top ten.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2022, 10:03:05 AM
Brady has always been overrated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 16, 2022, 11:53:10 AM
Brady has always been overrated.

It's a formula.

Your argument is that results are overrated.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 01:38:19 PM
It's not just that Brady is the greatest QB of all time - it's that it isn't even close.

https://abolt.newsweek.com/s/honest-best-nfl-quarterbacks

The distance between TB12 and number two is the same as the distance between number two and just above number five.

P.S. Peyton is not number two and Montana didn't make the top ten.

This is IN THE PASSING ERA.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 01:42:24 PM
And Staubach is richer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 16, 2022, 02:16:39 PM
And Staubach is richer.

So is Dwayne Johnson.

Of course, Staubach is 80. I suspect that when Staubach was Brady's age (and a few years past retirement at 38), he was not worth as much in equivalent dollars as Brady is now.

And, of course, the Brady household is richer than the Staubach household.

But wealth is not an indication of greatness in one's sport. It gives you a leg up, but that's all.

Your comment is like a response to a chart that showed LeBron to be the greatest basketball player ever (which I am not claiming, just using to make a point) and then you said:

"And Junior Bridgeman is richer."

I wonder how Ion Tiriac and Anna Kasprzak feel about this topic.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 16, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
If the discussion is about
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2022, 04:18:24 PM
If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on July 16, 2022, 04:27:17 PM
If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.

Probably not, but the Pats would have had fewer SB appearances, having lost earlier in the playoffs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 06:32:30 PM
And Staubach is richer.

So is Dwayne Johnson.

Of course, Staubach is 80. I suspect that when Staubach was Brady's age (and a few years past retirement at 38), he was not worth as much in equivalent dollars as Brady is now.



You could check.  Roger made plenty of money early.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 06:33:43 PM
If you had put Peyton on the Pats, Eli would've had two losses in the Super Bowl instead of two wins.

Could very well be

Something about Eli set Tom's stomach off a bit

Heh.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 06:35:16 PM
If the discussion is about

Very well said

As Jon Gielgud said in Arthur-

"I look forward to your next syllable."
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 16, 2022, 06:57:30 PM
Always leave 'em wanting more.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 01, 2022, 12:47:18 PM
Six games seems... light.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 01, 2022, 02:35:21 PM
I look forward to Watt sacking Watson on 1/8 if he lasts that long.       
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 01, 2022, 11:06:20 PM
Six games seems... light.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10044000-report-deshaun-watsons-camp-displeased-with-suspension-ruling-believe-in-0-games
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 09:03:25 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/us/nfl-miami-dolphins-suspend/index.html

Loss of draft picks plus suspended owner.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on August 04, 2022, 12:04:14 PM
Six games seems... light.
Well he also has to return to the Browns for  5 years!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
Wodner why the NFL isn't coming down on Daniel Snyder and Jerry "Baby Daddy" Jones the same way it is going after Mr. Watson.

Owner's exemption from moral standards is in play.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2022, 09:29:53 AM
Adam Schefter is an asshole, and he will always be one. This guy nailed him: https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/tony-buzbee-adam-schefters-deshaun-watson-tweet-why-victims-stay-silent/ (https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/tony-buzbee-adam-schefters-deshaun-watson-tweet-why-victims-stay-silent/)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2022, 05:50:44 PM
Have details come out on Watson's encounters?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on August 08, 2022, 06:25:10 PM
Have details come out on Watson's encounters?

www.google.com
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2022, 05:46:10 PM
D. Watson has the book tossed his way by the NFL: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-agreement-20220818.html (https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-agreement-20220818.html)

Daniel Snyder still owning his team and without consequence for his actions.

Owners have different rules than players. See: Kraft, Bob and Jones, Jerry.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 24, 2022, 11:30:59 AM
RIP to Hall of Fame Former Browns QB Lee Dawson.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2022, 11:50:56 AM
Week 1


Bills  -2.5   LA Rams   O/U 52     24-27
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2022, 11:52:40 AM
Rest of the slate

(Home team always city name, road team is team name)

Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Ravens -7 NYJ 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 Atlanta 43
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Miami -3.5 Pats 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Carolina -2.5 Browns 41.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Cincy -6.5 Steelers 44.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Chicago 41
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 Detroit 48.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Colts -7 Houston 46.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Washington -2.5 Jags 44

Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Chiefs -6 AZ 53.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM LAC -3.5 Raiders 52
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Packers -1.5 MN 47
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM TN -5.5 NYG 43.5
Sunday, Sept. 11, 8:20 PM Bucs -2.5 Dallas 51

Monday, Sept. 12, 8:15 PM Broncos -6.5 Seattle 44.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2022, 11:55:48 AM
And it's Whisk vs Kid in Week 1 - as we defend precious Iron Man title.

Whisk riding Bengals offense vs Steelers.   Not too sure of that one.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 08, 2022, 12:50:05 PM
Bills  LA Rams

The Bills are one of the sexy Super Bowl picks. Type of thing that always gives me pause.

Ravens Jets
The great thing for Jets fans is when they realize they wasted a pick on Zack Wilson after wasting a pick on Darnold, they can watch their team go out and waste a pick on Will Levis.

Saints Atlanta

Miami Pats
Carolina Browns

Everyone seems to have written us off this year, but I think we can hold our own without Watson. Brisket just needs to avoid mistakes. And I think my autocorrect is hungry. Anyway I Iike that people are down on us. Sometimes it is the very teams who no one imagines anything of who do things no one can imagine.

Cincy Steelers

Trubiskey could not get it done with Chicago. I give Pitt about four games to realize why.

49ers Chicago
Eagles Detroit

Having lived with him on my fantasy team last year, I do not believe the hype around Hurts. Or the Eagles.

Colts Houston
Washington Jags

Chiefs AZ

I think Arizona is in for a hugely disappointing year.

LAC Raiders

My strongly negative take on Justin Herbert coming out of college is looking like it will be up there on the Most Wrong list with "when the history of the 1997 season is written the rookie everyone will remember is Jaret Wright" but below the all timer, "MSU should hire an established big name coach not just give a guy the job because he sat in the chair next to Heathcote. Who the fuck IS this Tom Izzo character?"

Packers MN

A bunch. The Pack has often spit the bit early.

TN NYG
Bucs Dallas

Broncos Seattle

Who picked this game for opening weekend, Russell Wilson's agent? Seattle has the worst QB room in football. I think they are giving up on contending this year. Not so much tanking as biting the bullet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 08, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
And it's Whisk vs Kid in Week 1 - as we defend precious Iron Man title.

Whisk riding Bengals offense vs Steelers.   Not too sure of that one.
Well, I am not.set on my WR yet, but my other QB choice is Stafford.against the Bills. So, Burrows.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 09, 2022, 02:22:55 PM
 
 
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Ravens -7 NYJ 44.5       27-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Saints -5.5 Atlanta 43   27-20   
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Miami -3.5 Pats 46.5      24-21
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Carolina -2.5 Browns 41.5     22-19
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Cincy -6.5 Steelers 44.5      20-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM 49ers -7 Chicago 41        24-21
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Eagles -4 Detroit 48.5      27-24
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Colts -7 Houston 46.5       33-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 1:00 PM Washington -2.5 Jags 44      23-20

Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Chiefs -6 AZ 53.5             34-24
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM LAC -3.5 Raiders 52       30-27
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM Packers -1.5 MN 47        24-20
Sunday, Sept. 11, 4:25 PM TN -5.5 NYG 43.5         24-17
Sunday, Sept. 11, 8:20 PM Bucs -2.5 Dallas 51      23-26

Monday, Sept. 12, 8:15 PM Broncos -6.5 Seattle 44.5      24-17
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2022, 06:21:45 PM
4 fantasy teams this year.  MAIN of course is the one that counts.
Will post plus and minus moves.

Thus far - benched Buffalo D since they were facing potent offense on road.
In MAIN (Ironman) thus far went from Bal Defense vs weak Jets to top rated from 22 Dallas to Tennessee to Miami.  Also C E Hilaire over D Harris. 
Computer hated Hollywood Brown, who will have a HUGE year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 10, 2022, 10:51:13 PM
Tomorrow's money line parlay

Ravens
Saints
Chargers

25 wins 49.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on September 11, 2022, 09:59:37 AM
Sorry not a big fan of the todster after living with his time as HC of the Jets. Offenses are a stranger. If he just leaves Goat alone the Bucs may be Ok.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 11, 2022, 01:49:44 PM
Wasnt a Bowles fan either but maybe he wasnt the problem.   
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 11, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
We need to run the ball more exclusively.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2022, 04:19:05 PM
Sucks for Mayfield.  Coach takes ball out of his hands then defense deserts him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 11, 2022, 04:20:44 PM
Cade York!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 12, 2022, 12:45:46 PM
Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.

And speaking of O Line issues, Baker is going to need to watch his blind side all year. Ekwonu was positively Ickey yesterday. Granted there are not many speed rushers as speedy as Garrett but lord he got around him like he was not there. For us, though, the sight of players running uncovered deep is a huge troubling sign. I do not know if it was communication or scheme but that almost cost us a game we dominated.

I wonder who Dallas will take with that No. 1 pick. Even before Prescott got hurt, they were awful on offense, the worst of all the games I flipped through yesterday. A long season before Sean Payton takes over.

Barkley looked like what he should be: the second best back in his draft class. Still don't think Jones is the answer, though. But a nice tough win for the Army Formicidae.

How long before we see Jimmy G? Lance was not sharp. Or ready.

Boy, Green Bay should have invested in some wide receivers. Rodgers famously does not suffer drops gladly, 9r bad routes, or mediocrity from his receivers, and there is nothing out there right now. But it is not the first time GB has bombed the opening. And the closing. The middle part they got down.

What a waste of a great day by Justin Jefferson. Barring a 70 point game by the Denver TE whose name I will not even attempt, kiid kicked my ass. Time to go see how serious the injuries to Mitchell's knee and Hopkins's head were.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2022, 10:05:05 PM
Geno looks for real.

Looks like 6-10 week for me.  But the donks here can tell you if I cheated.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2022, 04:17:54 PM
The Browns' new midfield logo is elfcist. Discuss.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 13, 2022, 06:04:26 PM
Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.


They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.

I chuckled - then laid out some cash.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 13, 2022, 06:31:33 PM
Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.


They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.

I chuckled - then laid out some cash.


Icky didn't look all that good according to reports.

Evan Neal had a decent outing. Here's a video of him bouncing Ola Adeniyi around like a ragdoll. It looks like he just touched him. LOL

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373)

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2022, 06:38:47 PM
Looking like Cinci may not have resolved that O Line issue that sunk them in the Super Bowl. Burrows may need a hole to hide in. You do not take that many hits year upon year without negative consequences to your QB. Relatedly, i do not buy Pitts as a legit contender, especially if Harris misses time, but that defense was win them some games.


They had Steelers at 9-1 to win the North after finishing a half game back with the weak armed Ben.

I chuckled - then laid out some cash.


Icky didn't look all that good according to reports.

Evan Neal had a decent outing. Here's a video of him bouncing Ola Adeniyi around like a ragdoll. It looks like he just touched him. LOL

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1569359739259322373)
As I noted, Garrett treated Ickey as his bitch.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 14, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 15, 2022, 11:52:17 AM
Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54


34-27  KC
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 17, 2022, 07:16:00 PM
Week 2 slate

Thursday, September 15 8:15 PM Kansas City -3.5 Chargers 54  (34-27) W, L, L

Sunday, September 18 1 PM Baltimore -3.5 Dolphins 43.5   22-20
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Cleveland -6 Jets 40      23-13
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Detroit -2.5 Commanders 49     27-24
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Colts -4 Jacksonville 47   24-27
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Buccaneers -3 New Orleans 44      24-17
Sunday, September 18 1 PM NYG -2.5 Panthers 43    24-21
Sunday, September 18 1 PM Patriots -1.5 Pittsburgh 40.5      17-20

Sunday, September 18 4:05 PM LA Rams -10.5 Falcons 47      24-17
Sunday, September 18 4:05 PM San Francisco -10 Seahawks 42.5     27-14
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Bengals -7.5 Dallas 43       24-13
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Denver -10 Houston 46      28-14
Sunday, September 18 4:25 PM Las Vegas -6 Cardinals 51.5      24-23
Sunday, September 18 8:20 PM Green Bay -10 Bears 42.5     30-17

Monday, September 19 7:15 PM Buffalo -10 Titans 49.5        34-17
Monday, September 19 8:30 PM Philadelphia -2.5 Vikings 51.5     27-30



5 team money line parlay

Green Bay, Denver, San Fran, LA Rams, Buffalo

Bet 35 to win 60
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 18, 2022, 10:07:31 PM
By the way, what a fucking dick punch.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 19, 2022, 12:02:06 PM
Wonder if San Fran regrets not trading Jimmy G when there was a market for him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 19, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
By the way, what a fucking dick punch.

Any explanation what they were doing there the last 2 minutes?  Where was the pressure on final drive?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 19, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
By the way, what a fucking dick punch.

Any explanation what they were doing there the last 2 minutes?  Where was the pressure on final drive?
Could not tell you. I turned it off after the on side kick, for health reasons. I am more interested in how anyone can run free behind the defense up 13 with less than 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 21, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
5 team money line parlay

Green Bay, Denver, San Fran, LA Rams, Buffalo

Bet 35 to win 60



Nice to hit the $$ second straight week.

10-6 winners all told.  Also 10-6 vs spread.

(17-14-1, 16-16 for year)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
Thursday

Amazon Prime only

Cleveland. -5. Steelers. 38.5

My pick is 19-17 Steelers (Pitt and under)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 22, 2022, 10:56:35 PM
Pretty much expecting a 9t yard td pass right now.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 23, 2022, 02:08:30 PM
Good game. Whisk.   I thought both QBs did well (yes, I support Trubisky moving forward).

CLE top North Dawg for now.  Elf on!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 23, 2022, 03:14:26 PM
I like the elf. Because it is ridiculous.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2022, 04:08:23 PM
Sunday/Monday lines


Ravens -3 New England.  43
Bills -5.5 Miami.  54
Bengals -4.5 Jets  45
Saints -3 Carolina.  40.5
Minnesota -6.5 Lions 53.5
Chiefs -7. Indy. 49.5
Raiders -2.5 Tennessee 45.5
Eagles -6.5 Washington. 47
Chicago -2.5 Texans. 40.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2022, 04:23:13 PM
LAC -7 Jaguars. 47.5
Tampa -2 Packers 41
Seattle -2 Falcons 42
Rams -3.5 Arizona 49
Niners -1.5. Denver 45
NY Giants -2.5 Cowboys 39.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 25, 2022, 07:05:19 AM
 

Ravens -3 New England.  43     Ravens  under
Bills -5.5 Miami.  54      Miami   over  (Bills win game)
Bengals -4.5 Jets  45      Bengals    under
Saints -3 Carolina.  40.5    Saints    under
Minnesota -6.5 Lions 53.5    Vikings   over
Chiefs -7. Indy. 49.5     Chiefs   under
Raiders -2.5 Tennessee 45.5     Titans   under (Ten wins game)
Eagles -6.5 Washington. 47     Eagles   over
Chicago -2.5 Texans. 40.5     Bears   under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 25, 2022, 07:25:59 AM
 LAC -7 Jaguars. 47.5      Jags  under  (LA wins)
Tampa -2 Packers 41      Tampa  under
Seattle -2 Falcons 42      Falcons    over
Rams -3.5 Arizona 49      Rams   over
Niners -1.5. Denver 45    San Fran    under
NY Giants -2.5 Cowboys 39.5     Giants   under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2022, 08:07:55 PM
Chiefs struggle coste me third straight parlay (30 to win 50, with Min and Cin).  Tough

9-6 week.  Giants can make it grand or mediocre.  Let's go, Dimes!

(This Dabol may indeed be the real deal)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2022, 03:59:32 PM
Patriots talk a bit lacking this year - heh

Meanwhile we get an updated Zach vs Mac this week, as Wilson returns vs Steelers - while Jones struggles with his 2 turnover per game rate.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 28, 2022, 05:18:31 PM
Week 4 Thursday

Cincinnati -3.5 Dolphins.   47

Sunday. AM. London

Minnesota -3 Saints.     44
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 29, 2022, 04:39:27 PM
24-20  Bengals
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2022, 04:52:15 PM
Minnesota -3 Saints.     44


24-17 Vikes
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 11:34:56 AM
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Indy -3 Titans 42.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM NYG -3.5 Bears 39
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Bills -3.5 Baltimore 51.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Chargers -5 Houston 44.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Detroit -4.5 Seahawks 50
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Pittsburgh -3.5 Jets 40.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Philly -6.5 Jags 48.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Dallas -3 Commanders 42.5
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Browns -1.5 Atlanta 50

Sunday, October 2 4:05 PM Carolina -1.5 Cardinals 44
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM LV -2.5 Broncos 46
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM GB -10.5 Pats 40.5
Sunday, October 2 8:20 PM Chiefs -2 TB 45

Monday, October 3 8:15 PM SF -2.5 Rams 42.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 11:41:58 AM
 Sunday, October 2 1 PM Indy -3 Titans 42.5      21-17      Colts under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM NYG -3.5 Bears 39        21-17      Giants  under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Bills -3.5 Baltimore 51.5      27-24     Ravens    under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Chargers -5 Houston 44.5       27-20   Chargers  over
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Detroit -4.5 Seahawks 50       27-24    Seahawks over
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Pittsburgh -3.5 Jets 40.5    23-17     Steelers  under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Philly -6.5 Jags 48.5       27-17     Eagles  under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Dallas -3 Commanders 42.5    24-17     Cowboys    under
Sunday, October 2 1 PM Browns -1.5 Atlanta 50     23-26      Falcons   under

Sunday, October 2 4:05 PM Carolina -1.5 Cardinals 44   24-21     Panthers   over
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM LV -2.5 Broncos 46      24-27       Broncos   over
Sunday, October 2 4:25 PM GB -10.5 Pats 40.5      27-14      Packers    over
Sunday, October 2 8:20 PM Chiefs -2 TB 45       21-23      Bucs  under

Monday, October 3 8:15 PM SF -2.5 Rams 42.5    17-20       Rams   under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 11:48:26 AM
5 team parlay this week

Money line (to win game)

Eagles, Steelers, Colts, Cowboys, Packers

Wager 20, win 117
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 04, 2022, 01:04:06 AM
I hollered DONT LOOK ETHEL!


https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1577111860939083776?s=21
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 09:50:29 AM
Ridiculous finish to week 4 (OUCH)

Week 5

Thursday, October 6 8:15 PM Denver -3.5 Colts 43.5
Sunday, October 9 9:30 AM GB -8.5 Giants 41 (London)

 Sunday, October 9 1 PM NO -5.5 Seahawks 45.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Jax -7.5 Texans 44.5

Sunday, October 9 1 PM Buffalo -14 Steelers 47
Sunday, October 9 1 PM TB -8.5 Falcons 48.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM MN -7 Bears 44
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Titans -3 Washington 42.5
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 44
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Chargers -3 Cleveland 48
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NE -3 Lions 46.5

Sunday, October 9 4:05 PM 49ers -6.5 Carolina 39
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM Eagles -5 AZ 48.5
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM LAR -4.5 Cowboys 43.5
Sunday, October 9 8:20 PM Baltimore -3 Bengals 48

Monday, October 10 8:15 PM KC -7 Raiders 51
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 09:51:24 AM
Denver  23-20   (Colts cover, under)

Packers 27-17  (GB cover, over)
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2022, 02:51:57 PM
34-30 vs spread after woeful first week.

28-20 last three (plus the other night)

Treadin'....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2022, 06:49:57 AM
 
Week 5

Thursday, October 6 8:15 PM Denver -3.5 Colts 43.5      Colts    under   (Den wins)  W W L
Sunday, October 9 9:30 AM GB -8.5 Giants 41 (London)     Packers   over

 Sunday, October 9 1 PM NO -5.5 Seahawks 45.5    Saints    under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Jax -7.5 Texans 44.5     Texans   under  (Jax wins)
 Sunday, October 9 1 PM Buffalo -14 Steelers 47     Buffalo   over
Sunday, October 9 1 PM TB -8.5 Falcons 48.5     Bucs   under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM MN -7 Bears 44     Vikings   under
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Titans -3 Washington 42.5      Titans   over
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Dolphins -3 NYJ 44    Jets   under  (MIA wins)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM Chargers -3 Cleveland 48    Browns  under  (LA wins)
Sunday, October 9 1 PM NE -3 Lions 46.5         Patriots    over

Sunday, October 9 4:05 PM 49ers -6.5 Carolina 39    Niners   under
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM Eagles -5 AZ 48.5     Cardinals  over
Sunday, October 9 4:25 PM LAR -4.5 Cowboys 43.5    Cowboys   under
Sunday, October 9 8:20 PM Baltimore -3 Bengals 48    Ravens  over
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Monday, October 10 8:15 PM KC -7 Raiders 51    Chiefs  under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2022, 07:33:09 AM
Week 6

Chicago -1. Commanders. 39

20-17 Beats.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2022, 06:37:33 PM
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5

Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5

Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
 Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5     Steelers  under   (Bucs win)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5      Saints  over
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42    Indy  under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5     Cleveland   under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46       Jets   under    (GB wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45    Giants   over    (Bal wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5      Miami   under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5     SF   under

Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41      LAR    under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5     Seattle   over
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54    KC   over
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5      Dallas    under  (Phi wins)

Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5     LAC     under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 17, 2022, 07:52:12 AM
Knew about Boles being ineffective with jets. Terrible hire for bucs.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2022, 12:12:52 PM
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bucs -9 Pittsburgh 43.5     Steelers  under   (Bucs win)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Bengals -2 NO 43.5      Saints  over
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Indy -2 Jaguars 42    Indy  under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Cleveland -3 Pats 42.5     Cleveland   under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM GB -7 Jets 46       Jets   under    (GB wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Ravens -5 NYG 45    Giants   over    (Bal wins)
Sunday, October 16 1 PM Vikings -3 Miami 45.5      Miami   under
Sunday, October 16 1 PM 49ers -5.5 Atlanta 43.5     SF   under

Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM LAR -10.5 Panthers 41      LAR    under
Sunday, October 16 4:05 PM Cardinals -3 Seattle 51.5     Seattle   over
Sunday, October 16 4:25 PM Bills -2.5 KC 54    KC   over
Sunday, October 16 8:20 PM Philly -4.5 Cowboys 43.5      Dallas    under  (Phi wins)

Monday, October 17 8:15 PM LAC -5 Broncos 45.5     LAC     under

Isn't 2:30pm a bit late for posting predictions for 1pm games?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 10:02:44 AM
Nice win for LAC

Missed 11-1 5 team parlay on KC loss - damn

6-8 week vs spread

50-42 season
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2022, 10:46:19 AM
Thursday night week 7

Arizona  -2.5   Saints    44   

Pick is AZ 23-20
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 20, 2022, 11:11:39 AM
Thursday night week 7

Arizona  -2.5   Saints    44   

Pick is AZ 23-20
My only pick regarding the Cards is the Kingsbury does not make it to the bye week.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2022, 12:23:54 PM
Pass D is solid.

Run offense - not

Murray is fun.  Sucks my quick starter Hollywood Brown went down.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
week 7


Sunday, October 23 1 PM Dallas -7 Lions 49
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Jax -3 Giants 42.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM TN -2.5 Colts 42.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Cincy -6.5 Falcons 47.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Baltimore -6.5 Browns 45.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 40.5
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Packers -5 Washington 41.5

Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Denver -1 Jets 38
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Las Vegas -7 Texans 45.5
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM Chiefs -3 SF 48.5
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM LAC -6 Seahawks 51
Sunday, October 23 8:20 PM Miami -7 Steelers 44.5

Monday, October 24 8:15 PM NE -8 Bears 40
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2022, 08:57:06 PM
 week 7


Sunday, October 23 1 PM Dallas -7 Lions 49    Dallas under
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Jax -3 Giants 42.5   Giants under (Giants win)
Sunday, October 23 1 PM TN -2.5 Colts 42.5    TN   over
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Cincy -6.5 Falcons 47.5     Cincy  over
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Baltimore -6.5 Browns 45.5     Browns over (BAL wins)
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Bucs -11 Carolina 40.5    Bucs under
Sunday, October 23 1 PM Packers -5 Washington 41.5     WAS  under  (GB wins)

Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Denver -1 Jets 38     Jets under  (Jets win)
Sunday, October 23 4:05 PM Las Vegas -7 Texans 45.5    LV  under
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM Chiefs -3 SF 48.5   SF  under (SF wins game)
Sunday, October 23 4:25 PM LAC -6 Seahawks 51    LAC  over
Sunday, October 23 8:20 PM Miami -7 Steelers 44.5    Steelers  under (Pitt wins game)

Monday, October 24 8:15 PM NE -8 Bears 40    NE under



(Last week   6-8   Season   50-42)
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 23, 2022, 05:10:21 PM
My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.

Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on October 23, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.

Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
( sob) (sob)
Boo hoo, hoo.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2022, 12:53:30 PM
God Sunday nighter

Valiant effort by my Steelers, who are the best 2-5 team in recent memory.

32 completions for the rook Pickett - to 8 receivers.  Tomlin decided against going for it on 4th down at midfield at one point, though the field position game did work in our favor.  Just didnt complete the task.

That was a key game for having any shot at the division.  But stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2022, 07:02:27 PM
Ravens -1.5. Tampa.  45

27-24 Brady

60-46 overall
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2022, 09:24:53 PM
Sunday, October 30 9:30 AM Jax -3.5 Broncos 39.5 (London)

Sunday, October 30 1 PM Dallas -9.5 Bears 42.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Raiders -3 NO 49.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Atlanta -6 Panthers 42
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Phil -10 Steelers 43.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Miami -3 Lions 50.5
Sunday, October 30 1 PM MN -3.5 Cards 49
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Pats -1.5 NYJ 41

Sunday, October 30 4:05 PM Titans -1.5 Houston 41
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Seattle -3 Giants 45.5
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Indy -3 Commanders 40
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM 49ers -1.5 LAR 43.5
Sunday, October 30 8:20 PM Buffalo -11 Packers 47.5

Monday, October 31 8:15 PM Bengals -3.5 Cleveland 47.5
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2022, 09:54:28 PM
 Sunday, October 30 9:30 AM Jax -3.5 Broncos 39.5 (London)      20- 17

Sunday, October 30 1 PM Dallas -9.5 Bears 42.5      24-13
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Raiders -3 NO 49.5         24-27
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Atlanta -6 Panthers 42      27-20
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Phil -10 Steelers 43.5      21-17
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Miami -3 Lions 50.5      34-30
Sunday, October 30 1 PM MN -3.5 Cards 49      27-21
Sunday, October 30 1 PM Pats -1.5 NYJ 41     17-20

Sunday, October 30 4:05 PM Titans -1.5 Houston 41      20-17
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Seattle -3 Giants 45.5       23-21
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM Indy -3 Commanders 40     23-19
Sunday, October 30 4:25 PM 49ers -1.5 LAR 43.5       17-20
Sunday, October 30 8:20 PM Buffalo -11 Packers 47.5      34-24
   
Monday, October 31 8:15 PM Bengals -3.5 Cleveland 47.5     28-24
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 03, 2022, 12:16:05 PM
Last week      7-8 (UGH - Falcons, Colts)

Season -    67-54     (+$750)



Thursday  Week 9

Eagles   -13   Houston    44


Pick is 28-17  Eagles
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2022, 11:02:41 PM
week 9 continued

Sunday, November 6 1 PM NE -5.5 Colts 39.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Dolphins -5 Chicago 44
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Vikes -3.5 Washington 43.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Packers -3.5 Detroit 49.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Chargers -3 Atlanta 49
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Cincy -7.5 Panthers 42.5
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Raiders -1.5 Jax 48.5

Sunday, November 6 4:05 PM AZ -2 Seahawks 50.5
Sunday, November 6 4:25 PM TB -3 Rams 42.5
Sunday, November 6 8:20 PM KC -13 Titans 46.5

Monday, November 7 8:15 PM Ravens -3 NO 48
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2022, 06:50:24 AM
 
Sunday, November 6 1 PM NE -5.5 Colts 39.5    NE  under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Bills -13 NYJ 47    Bills over
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Dolphins -5 Chicago 44    Dolphins  under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Vikes -3.5 Washington 43.5    Wshington  under (Vikes win)
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Packers -3.5 Detroit 49.5    Detroit  over  (GB wins)
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Chargers -3 Atlanta 49    ATL  under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Cincy -7.5 Panthers 42.5    cincy under
Sunday, November 6 1 PM Raiders -1.5 Jax 48.5    Raiders  over

Sunday, November 6 4:05 PM AZ -2 Seahawks 50.5     AZ  over
Sunday, November 6 4:25 PM TB -3 Rams 42.5     Rams  under  (TB wins)
Sunday, November 6 8:20 PM KC -13 Titans 46.5    Titans  over  (KC wins)

Monday, November 7 8:15 PM Ravens -3 NO 48      Ravens  over
   
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 06, 2022, 11:12:40 PM
Why didn't the refs just put the ball in the end zone for the Chiefs on the Two point conversion
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2022, 08:27:05 AM
Hard fought 6-4-2 after quite a few interesting finishes.

73-58 headed to tonight's tilt.  +$920
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on November 07, 2022, 07:03:58 PM
Bucs should pick up Frank Reich as head coach. A shame for TB to end his career under Bowles.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2022, 12:20:26 PM
73-58 headed to tonight's tilt.  +$920



Cha-ching.   $1020
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 08, 2022, 12:22:28 PM
Who cares?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2022, 03:33:11 PM
Week 10 NFL

For a change last week I actually hit all 3 night games

THU nighter

ATL -3 at Carolina  44.5 points

Atlanta 24-20 (cover plus the under)

Cheers.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 11, 2022, 01:00:10 PM
My God, even tug a little on a QBs jersey and it's roughing the passer.

Just make it one hand touch on them. Touch them and the play is over. Fucking shit has ruined the game.
( sob) (sob)
Boo hoo, hoo.


Gee Skipster. Don't cry, it ain't that bad.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 13, 2022, 08:56:35 AM
Sunday, November 13 9:30 AM TB -2.5 Seahawks 44.5   TB 24 Seahawks 21

Sunday, November 13 1 PM KC -9.5 Jaguars 50.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM NYG -6.5 Texans 39.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Saints -2.5 Pittsburgh 41
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Chicago -3 Lions 48.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Miami -4 Browns 48.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM Buffalo -6 Vikings 46.5
Sunday, November 13 1 PM TN -3 Broncos 39

Sunday, November 13 4:05 PM LV -6.5 Colts 42.5
Sunday, November 13 4:25 PM LAR -3 Cards 43.5
Sunday, November 13 4:25 PM Cowboys -5.5 GB 43
Sunday, November 13 8:20 PM SF -7 Chargers 45.5
Monday, November 14 8:15 PM Philly -11 Commanders 44
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on November 15, 2022, 03:16:17 AM
 Hail to the Redskins!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 15, 2022, 10:15:31 AM
Good God almighty.  Cost me some sheckels.  But love it for the Giants.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 01, 2022, 05:03:49 PM
Buffalo -5 at New England. 43.5

Bills 23-20

18-23 last three weeks...been rough.  92-81.  Plus $290
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on December 03, 2022, 11:21:20 AM
Yes! Mike White proves you still can find bargains in the refuse bin.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 04, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
Sunday, December 4 1 PM MN -3 Jets 45.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Baltimore -8 Broncos 38.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Atlanta -1 Steelers 43
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Philly -5.5 Titans 44.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Jags -1.5 Detroit 51.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Commanders -2.5 NYG 40.5
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Browns -7 Houston 47
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Packers -4 Chicago 43.5

Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM Seahawks -7.5 LAR 41.5
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM SF -4 Dolphins 46.5
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chargers -2 LV 50.5
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chiefs -2.5 Cincy 52.5
 Sunday, December 4 8:20 PM Dallas -11 Colts 43.5

Monday, December 5 8:15 PM TB -3.5 Saints 40
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 04, 2022, 12:41:54 PM
 Sunday, December 4 1 PM MN -3 Jets 45.5     MN over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Baltimore -8 Broncos 38.5     BAL  under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Atlanta -1 Steelers 43     Pitt to win over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Philly -5.5 Titans 44.5   Titans to win under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Jags -1.5 Detroit 51.5     DET to win over
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Commanders -2.5 NYG 40.5   NYG to win under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Browns -7 Houston 47      Browns under
Sunday, December 4 1 PM Packers -4 Chicago 43.5     Packers over

Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM Seahawks -7.5 LAR 41.5     Seahawks  under
Sunday, December 4 4:05 PM SF -4 Dolphins 46.5   Niners under
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chargers -2 LV 50.5    Chargers over
Sunday, December 4 4:25 PM Chiefs -2.5 Cincy 52.5     Chiefs under
 Sunday, December 4 8:20 PM Dallas -11 Colts 43.5    Colts under

Monday, December 5 8:15 PM TB -3.5 Saints 40    TB   under
 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 05, 2022, 02:55:06 PM
Baked.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on December 05, 2022, 11:17:28 PM
The GOAT does it again!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on December 08, 2022, 11:28:08 PM
Baker Mayfield...WOW!!!!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on December 12, 2022, 10:08:01 AM
For a day Mr. Irrelevant played like the GOAT
And Brady played like a goat.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 12, 2022, 12:36:56 PM
Baker Mayfield...WOW!!!!
He.can do that. It is play by play excellence and consistency that has been his problem.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2022, 01:54:19 PM
The GOAT does it again!!!!

Who?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
Almost took an 0-9 yesterday - ha!

Yankguy is right - happens when you just "throw darts".

read:  no - I am not a game analyst - dont spend any time on it.

Maybe next year......
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on December 18, 2022, 11:49:16 PM
What saloon did they pull the officials out of for the Giants/ Redskins game
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 21, 2022, 12:48:20 PM
Well, that puts a damper on the 50th anniversary of the Immaculate Reception story line.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 30, 2022, 02:02:34 PM
Whisk - good luck in FFB Finals.    I am actually up against Burrow and Jefferson in one of my other leagues (made finals in 2 out of 4).  Will come down to Monday...   
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 30, 2022, 04:41:38 PM
Justin Jefferson is a PPR God.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 03, 2023, 10:54:50 AM
That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 03, 2023, 11:11:13 AM
That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 03, 2023, 01:17:32 PM
During the brief period I was an EMT,  one thing I learned is that a hard enough blow can stop the human heart.  The hits that footballers take involve scary amounts of momentum.  It's a rare event because the blow has to land at exactly the right moment in the heart's rhythm cycle, but it does happen - it's called commotio cordis.  Ironically, precordial thump, which is a purposeful blow to the chest, can also restart the heart (if there's no defib handy).  I hope he recovers and hasn't sustained any damage to the heart muscle. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 03, 2023, 03:20:03 PM
During the brief period I was an EMT,  one thing I learned is that a hard enough blow can stop the human heart.  The hits that footballers take involve scary amounts of momentum.  It's a rare event because the blow has to land at exactly the right moment in the heart's rhythm cycle, but it does happen - it's called commotio cordis.  Ironically, precordial thump, which is a purposeful blow to the chest, can also restart the heart (if there's no defib handy).  I hope he recovers and hasn't sustained any damage to the heart muscle.
Nice Google Search
Very popular today.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 03, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.
Nice Google search.
Very popular today. Asshole.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 03, 2023, 04:22:41 PM
That was frightening last night. I remember listening to the game when Chuck Hughes died.
Me, too.
There was only about a minute left in the game so it did not cause much of a stir when the game went on.
Nice Google search.
Very popular today. Asshole.
Sorry.
I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 04, 2023, 10:12:26 PM

I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.

There he is, on the scene:

https://youtu.be/_JTyxXP-_dA




Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 05, 2023, 12:03:38 PM
On a less distressing subject, who gets into the Hall of Fame this year?

At the risk of being a homer, Joe Thomas should have the shortest conversation. The  est OT since Munoz. The only negative on him is that the Browns around him sucked so badly for all 11 years he played, and he never made the playoffs, let alone won the Super Bowl. I doubt that is held against him.

Darrelle Revis should also go in on the first ballot. Maybe the best shut down corner since Dion Sanders.

DeMarcus Ware. He was an elite edge guy. I think Freeney is a better choice but. I do not think two Edges get in and I suspect the guy who has been waiting gets the nod.

Torry Holt. I like Andre Johnson better, but unless you are Megatronish talent wise, the Hall makes you wait. I should point out that I prefer Steve Smith over both, but he is not on the final ballot.

So those four, and possibly Johnson and Freeney. And one other guy, either Willis or Hester.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2023, 10:39:15 AM

I actually listened to game.
Van Patrick and Bob Reynolds, WJR.
Then I wrote my script for my evening sportscast in Toledo.
The game was not televised.

There he is, on the scene:

https://youtu.be/_JTyxXP-_dA
Has he admitted to being that person? The problem with being intellectually dishonest and a PROVEN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR like RedDickJimmEspn is no one believes you when you tell the truth. That is how you end up in the belly of a wolf.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 06, 2023, 01:17:26 PM
Admitted?  DK - I dimly recall he, or someone very similar, had a NYTF login called "JMengel" or something like that.  Add to that his claims to sportscastery, and that two of his aliases are Dick Vitale and ESPN - no idea if those breadcrumbs lead anywhere.  In other incarnations, he said he managed a cement factory, so I assume our legs are always being pulled.  I found the video amusing and thought he might as well. 
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 06, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Admitted?  DK - I dimly recall he, or someone very similar, had a NYTF login called "JMengel" or something like that.  Add to that his claims to sportscastery, and that two of his aliases are Dick Vitale and ESPN - no idea if those breadcrumbs lead anywhere.  In other incarnations, he said he managed a cement factory, so I assume our legs are always being pulled.  I found the video amusing and thought he might as well.
He always pretended that his political personna and his sports.personna were two different people. And also that earlier iterations, like "Dick Vitale" were not him.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 06, 2023, 09:17:05 PM
And just this afternoon in the Biden thread, he claimed his age is 47.  This seems to conflict starkly with his claim to have been listening to the Lions game when Chuck Hughes died.  Unless he has Dennis Quaid's radio and there was a solar storm that night.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 06, 2023, 09:21:31 PM
And just this afternoon in the Biden thread, he claimed his age is 47.  This seems to conflict starkly with his claim to have been listening to the Lions game when Chuck Hughes died.  Unless he has Dennis Quaid's radio and there was a solar storm that night.
LOL
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 09, 2023, 11:32:40 AM
Tom brady stuck with a terrible coach, not so great.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 09, 2023, 08:42:25 PM
(quotation marks replaced by parens, due to Elba's glitch)

This line from an NPR report on Mr Hamlin's progress (boldfaced by me) got a cackle from me and the missus...


Doctors said Hamlin has been walking since Friday, and has also been eating regular food and undergoing therapy. They said he was on what medical professionals say is a (very normal)or even (accelerated trajectory) in his recovery from cardiac arrest  -  which is considered a life-threatening event.

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on January 30, 2023, 12:55:58 AM
The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on January 30, 2023, 04:39:35 PM
The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 30, 2023, 05:40:32 PM
The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
Cinci should spend less time bitching about officiating and more time scouting offensive linemen.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bosox26d on February 02, 2023, 12:40:03 AM
The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
That means so much coming like an "expert" like yourself😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 02, 2023, 10:04:44 AM
The officials did themselves proud today. What a shit show
The officials were correct on the re-running of the third down play.
Stevie Wonder could have thrown the flag on Ossai.
That means so much coming like an "expert" like yourself😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks.
My pleasure to set you straight.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2023, 10:53:06 AM
(quotation marks replaced by parens, due to Elba's glitch)

 

Doctors said Hamlin has been walking since Friday

 

Must be tired.....
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 06, 2023, 02:47:22 PM
Chiefs

If anyone is wondering.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2023, 08:38:49 AM
7-5 playoff mark

Chiefs getting 1.5

26-23 final
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 10, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on February 13, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
 
I thought this place would be bristling with impassioned diatribes and angry screeds on the seriousness of jersey grabbing.

Somehow I thought Liquid was keeping the site going for the Sports forums.




Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 13, 2023, 09:51:20 AM
7-5 playoff mark

Chiefs getting 1.5

26-23 final

Cash, baby.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 13, 2023, 10:00:22 AM
Bosox9er is the designated complainer about reffing here.   And Red is the designated reffing apologist.

Neither has checked in yet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 13, 2023, 12:23:11 PM
Well, Ohio State was not involved so
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Espnthree on February 13, 2023, 01:34:05 PM
Bosox9er is the designated complainer about reffing here.   And Red is the designated reffing apologist.

Neither has checked in yet.
Nothing to talk about.
Bradberry admitted he was guilty of holding.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 13, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Thanks for reporting in.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 23, 2023, 11:32:05 AM
Wait - is it Jones' agent that says he wants 45 mil?  Wow.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 23, 2023, 01:21:57 PM
Wait - is it Jones' agent that says he wants 45 mil?  Wow.
Cannot get the moon if you do not ask for the stars.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: bambu. on May 09, 2023, 08:45:25 AM
March 2024...Vegas...my (Australian) NRL 'National Rugby League' season is to kick-off with a multi teams spectacular or something.
Rugby League...videos on YouTube.
Not to be confused with Rugby Union, different game.

Rugby League...13 players per team on the field at any time, 4 'bench' players, ...replacements.
No helmets, no shoulder pads, just mouthguards and muscle.

Basically same deal as NFL...pass the ball, get tackled, score touchdowns, kick goals, kick ahead.
But, ball must always be passed backwards.

Also, when player is tackled he must rise to his feet, put the ball on ground and then tap it back with foot to a player behind him...and play continues.
Team gets 6 tackles in possession then must hand the ball to other team.
Teams usually kick ahead on 5th tackle.

YouTube "Queensland's 30 Most Memorable Tries" is instructive.
'try/tries' = 'touchdown/touchdowns'...ball has to be forced onto the ground by hand or torso.



Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 19, 2023, 04:33:28 PM
The Real GOAT has died:

All-Time NFL Great Running Back Jim Brown Dead
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfl-great-jim-brown-dead_n_6467cd0fe4b0005c605923f0
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Karl Barx on September 06, 2023, 10:39:18 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/sport/football-nfl-violence-injuries-cec/index.html

Endorphin releases and dominating a foe!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: facilitatorn on September 14, 2023, 11:41:39 PM
Aaron Rodgers had a productive career as a Jet.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 25, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Given yesterday next week's Maimi/Bflo game should be epic.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on October 15, 2023, 11:57:19 AM
Jints are historically bad. Almost unwatchable. So much optimism after last year.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 02, 2024, 05:21:48 PM
Frank Ryan, the QB on Cleveland's last Championship team in 1064, has died. I would make a joke about my team's futility, but the man has off field accomplishments that merit major props.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/sports/football/frank-ryan-dead.html?smid=url-share
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 08, 2024, 10:17:21 AM
Frank Ryan, the QB on Cleveland's last Championship team in 1064, has died. I would make a joke about my team's futility, but the man has off field accomplishments that merit major props.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/sports/football/frank-ryan-dead.html?smid=url-share
Frank Ryan was also the author of that noted page turner, A Characterization of the Set of Asymptotic Values of a Function Holomorphic in the Unit Disc". I could not put it down.

Of course thrilled to see my Browns in the playoffs, but. I am almost equally thrilled to see Matt Stafford finally bring playoff football to Detroit.

My first round picks: AFC: Buffalo over Pissburgh, Kansas City over Miami, Cleveland over Houston.

NFC: Dallas, Detroit, Tampa.

I don't think I have seen a team collapse as completely as Philadelphia has. Unless it is Jacksonville.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 10, 2024, 07:19:26 PM
The Real GOAT has died:

All-Time NFL Great Running Back Jim Brown Dead
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfl-great-jim-brown-dead_n_6467cd0fe4b0005c605923f0


A sad day indeed. The most dominating player I've ever seen. A no nonsense man's man that probably wouldn't play well with today's preening bunch.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 10, 2024, 07:36:07 PM
As far as the game went, IMO the best team won.

Ref's made some sucky calls. But refs always make sucky calls. And, somehow, they always seem to be at critical times in the game. OOGA BOOGA! Stupid dog!
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2024, 09:46:30 PM
As far as the game went, IMO the best team won.

Ref's made some sucky calls. But refs always make sucky calls. And, somehow, they always seem to be at critical times in the game. OOGA BOOGA! Stupid dog!
Uh... College Forum, maybe?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 14, 2024, 06:35:45 PM
Jordan Love has grown up.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 21, 2024, 05:11:03 PM
Rooting for Lions hate bowles with jets
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 21, 2024, 06:40:11 PM
Who can root against Andy in the nightcap?
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: Oilcan on January 28, 2024, 09:48:32 AM
Three men in KC watch the last regular season Chiefs game.  Then they go in the backyard and perish.  Bizarre mystery.

https://apnews.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-deaths-mystery-police-toxicology-335f4d726c3c1b5d139de6a5fa77ead5

The homeowner claims to have heard or noticed nothing, including three dead bodies in his backyard and on back porch for two days. 

Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: luee on January 28, 2024, 07:20:09 PM
Crazy Flowers cost Ravens the first game. Taunting penalty and fumble at the goal line. Experience and composure paid off. Lions off to a great start in the second game.
Title: Re: National Football League
Post by: jmmengel on January 29, 2024, 02:26:42 PM
Three men in KC watch the last regular season Chiefs game.  Then they go in the backyard and perish.  Bizarre mystery.

https://apnews.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-fan-deaths-mystery-police-toxicology-335f4d726c3c1b5d139de6a5fa77ead5

The homeowner claims to have heard or noticed nothing, including three dead bodies in his backyard and on back porch for two days.

Not much of a mystery.
Four men and recreational drugs.
Homeowner went to bed and slept if off. The other three went outside and passed out. Froze to death.☠️