Escape from Elba
Sports => Football => Topic started by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
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What moves will the Jets make this offseason?
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Which draft pick will make the biggest impact in the NFL?
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Seriously?
Has to be Barkley
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One of the excerpts released detailed how Brady was upset with Robert Kraft when Kraft announced the Patriots wouldn’t pursue legal action against the NFL for its handling of Deflategate. Brady didn't know Kraft would be making that announcement at the owners meetings and found out watching on TV.
“What the [expletive]?” Brady said over the phone to NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith. “Why am I not getting the support I deserve on this thing?”
Brady was very upset with Kraft and Sherman explained how Kraft has needed to rebuild his relationship with the quarterback in recent years, which he connected to the trade of Jimmy Garoppolo.
It was reported Kraft made it clear Brady could not be traded and therefore Garoppolo needed to get dealt as he wasn't going to be on the roster after the 2017 season.
“He was pissed off, obviously," Sherman said of Brady when hearing Kraft would be giving up the fight. "Kraft has supported him. He couldn’t support him there, but the Kraft family has gone above and beyond over the past couple of years to rebuild that relationship. I think that was part of the reason why Jimmy Garoppolo was jettisoned last year. That was something Kraft felt like he had to do to continue to build that relationship with Brady."
And that's why a) Brady's a prima dona; b)Kraft is an idiot; c) BB has to deal with these two lovers and their Machavellian horsecrap while he tries to run a football team.
SAD.
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo)
The movie should be quite entertaining.
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Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
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and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
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Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
Amazing how linking to published stories about in house squabbles on the Pats, from a New England media outlet is considered "trolling", until you consider who is lodging the complaint.
Deny, deny, deny.
Sad.
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.
FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.
Do there you go, paranoid one.
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I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.
On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.
I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.
sad. boring troll.
SSDD
Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.
FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.
Do there you go, paranoid one.
Troll Feel free to search wherever on the web your troll heart desires, and post whatever you like, no matter how well the issue has already been covered and discussed previously.
You bring nothing new.
And you still remain a boring and stupid troll.
although I look forward to your book report on Brady.
You gonna make a nice cover with construction paper and your big box of crayons?
SSDD
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Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.
Bye, loser.
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Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.
Bye, loser.
Wiped clean?
Why?
You've a long-standing history of being an indecent stalker asshole.
I didn't pardon you for your past crimes.
Go fuck yourself troll
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You're signed!
https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129 (https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129)
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G-Men and OBJ, the new face of the NYFG, talking turkey.
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speaking of NY WRs
Pats sign ex-Jet Eric Decker to 1 yr deal.
eh
TB12 needs someone to throw to.
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There was a guy who looked a lot like RG3 playing in an NFL preseason game for the Ravens, and he scored a touchdown.
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Led a touchdown scoring drive to be accurate.
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tough night for Johnny Football up in Canada.
in other news happy 41st TB12.
According to a new book, Tom Brady refused to falsely blame equipment staffers in the Deflategate scandal.
AUGUST 3, 2018
"Tom Brady turned down a $1 million fine instead of a four-game suspension if he publicly implicated former Patriots equipment staffers John Jastremski and Jim McNally in the Deflategate scandal, according to a new book called “12: The Inside Story of Tom Brady’s Fight For Redemption’’ by Casey Sherman and Dave Wedge.
The book states NFL commissioner Roger Goodell “demanded that Brady state publicly that former Patriots equipment guys [John] Jastremski and [Jim] McNally had purposely tampered with footballs, even without his knowledge. Tom said no."
“There’s no way I’m gonna ruin these guys for something I believe they didn’t do,” Brady told NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, according to the book.
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times flies
NFL pre-season starts tonight
few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese
DC United @ Pats (-3)
Browns v Giants (+1)
Steelers @ WC Eagles (-3)
have no idea who/why would bet these games
Butler not expected to play for Pats
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times flies
NFL pre-season starts tonight
few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese
DC United @ Pats (-3)
Browns v Giants (+1)
Steelers @ WC Eagles (-3)
have no idea who/why would bet these games
Butler not expected to play for Pats
Betting on NFL preseason is not a.sign of a serious problem. It is a.sign of MANY serious problems.
Our dope smokin' heat packin' unlicensed drivin' credit card stealin' drug test failin' startin' in place of Nosh Gordon wide receiver has make the trip to NYC for the game. Those who do not learn from history are.doomed to go 0 - 16. But Hue is going to have a "strong conversation" with him, so all is well.
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boz
have you seen HBO Hard Knocks-'18 Browns edition? I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there are some eye-openers about Hue's coaching style.
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I don't have HBO.
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not a big Game of Throne's fan?
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not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Never seen an episode, even when getting the occasional free weekend, though its cultural ubiquity means I know a fair amount about it. Tried to bring it up in a conversation triggered by Sean Bean not dying in The Martian and all I could come up with was "Crown of Thorns".
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I think I have figured out why the Browns did not cut Calloway.
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I don't have HBO.
Yes. Some people have a life that extends beyond what's on TV.
Foreign concept for idiot bankshit.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?
You fucking cretin stalker.
I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1
now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
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Didn't see the game but Sam Darnold, seemed to have made a positive impression in his Jersey debut.
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heh
some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows
some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.
go figure.
And you do both.
Peddy.
troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?
You fucking cretin stalker.
I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1
now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
I could see bankshit doing this:https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html)
Get help for that anger you're displacing here. Just because you're depressed and angry about your failed personal life, it doesn't mean you gave to be the dickhead that you show yourself to be here each day.
Sad, little man.
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troll you spend far too much time obsessing about me.
now go fuck yourself.
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Finally caught Hard Knocks Browns edition E1-it was pretty entertaining and educational.
Jarvis Landry is fun and can play 1-handed, got a lesson in finance 101 how to turn $1 into $64
and that Hue jackson should probably watch his back around Todd Haley.
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Pats-Iggles kick it off tonight at the Blade.
Brady expected to see first half action.
Butler probably not.
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Jets-Skins also tonight
next test for legend in the making Sam Darnold
I'm pretty sure Butler won't play in this game either.
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Eagles won last time they played Pat's, didn't they?
Philly- Dilly.
Heh
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Pats D, particularly D-line, looked much improved and faster and brought a lot of pressure and was very disruptive. Rookie LB Bentley looked real good.
Biggest play of the game was a pressure/fumble by Foles returned for TD Foles injured his wing on the strip. It didn't look good.
Brady was Brady, played the first half, his receivers are mediocre. Cordelle Paterson made some plays and is fast, but more a gadget guy. With Edelman out first 4 games wouldn't be a shock if they are active in the WR market.
They played better than I thought they would.
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Pats 1st rounder right tackle Wynn out for season with Achilles heel injury.
sucks
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Well done, ESPN
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
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Well done, ESPN
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
So. You don't like hearing the national anthem?
Sad.
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Takes aways from Hard Knocks E2
does anyone really need 1000 pair of sneakers?
I think thats a tell.
And maybe Hue was jealous so shipped Corey Coleman to the Bills for a 7th rounder
and a dozen pairs od Air Jordans.
What is it with the Browns and wacky WRS?
And is adding Dez to the mix a smart move?
Is Carl really that bad a name for a kid?
the gloves were pink.
Myles Garrett is a poet and I'm rooting for "Juice"
Browns have some talent and are on the come.
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Josh Gordon is back today. And yes a WR room with him, Landry, Dez and Galloway could be a challenge.
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Speed wins
https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640 (https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640)
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that cop had some burst
nice take-down.
The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)
IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
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that cop had some burst
nice take-down.
The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)
IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Pissing money away. We will be better but not that much better.
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Hard Knocks E3 was like a Sunday brunch, there was a lotta good stuff to pick from.
But stay away from butterflies as they have little nutrional value (trust me on this one)
I'm giving 5-forks to Brown O-line coach Bob Wylie, from the looks of it he's a veteran of lots of all you can eat buffets and a man of many talents and proud owner of a gleaming white Maserati. Wylie stole E3.
We got a history lesson about the D-Day, soldiers hitting the beaches and football preparedness (Belichick would love this guy) and a film session where Wylie's ideal O-line would be made up of pigs, hippos and gorillas.
The conclusion this guy is from somewhere within an easy drive of Boston
and the Browns coaching staff will give the players a run for the money in wackiness.
How can you not root for the Browns and Moose?
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If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
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If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
That might confuse people. They might think you were talking about the Republican Congress.
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Indians shut out the Phillies, 5 - 0. I assume Kluber got the W.
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split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.
I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel
Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
Wasn't it Pete Carroll who said,
RUN THE FUCKING BALL!
never mind.
battle of the Meadowlands tonight with associated NYC-Jersey bragging rights
Pats-Panthers
I'm not getting a good vibe this year
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split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.
I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel
Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
i did not see it, but from the highlights Myles Garrett is the beast we thought he was.
the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
that is one thing I am glad I did not see.
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As I feared Pats sucked tonight.
This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.
BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
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As I feared Pats sucked tonight.
This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.
BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
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Maybe he will walk away mid-season the way Brady walks away mid-interview, when anyone asks about his fairy godfather, the "trainer" with the magic beans.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
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G-Men OBJ make it official
5/95 $60M guaranteed over first 3 years.
Good behavior pays off.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.
FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.
4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.
If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.
I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.
I however will be posting about football.
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BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.
But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.
Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.
Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.
This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.
FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.
4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.
If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.
I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.
I however will be posting about football.
MY obsession? Then why was national news, dimwit? Never made the argument he gets paid in terms of its value, just showing he gets paid, and reneged on his deal.
In the meantime, even someone as dim as you (although I'm not sure whom that would be), would understand that the questions asked were legitimate, related to the team and its function, and worthy of a response, and it was a question which Baby Tommy should have anticipated and been ready to answer. Kind of like you expected from Grady Little or your other personal punching bags.
Good luck "talking football", because to date we've seen nothing noteworthy coming from you.
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national news story?
it must have been a slow news day between Manafort, Cohen and McCain passing, and you think a trainer rubbing Brady's ass is a national story.
To each their own.
heh
you're an idiot.
Aaron Rodgers signs 4/134 extension over $100 million guaranteed.
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Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to Saints
guessing for a decent draft pick
settles starter question for the Jersey B-team
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Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)
blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel
which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
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Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.
Heh
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Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.
Heh
its relevant.
you're lucky speliing doesn't count.
But I'm betting neither can you, at least much past 8, 9, or 10.
heh
Jets get a 3rd rounder for Teddie B.
Brady's trainer finds pimple on Brady's ass,
Gisele is upset,
troll rushes to find national story.
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You may STFU.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html)
Heh
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poor troll
the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.
TFF
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poor troll
the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.
TFF
And yes it IS a national story.
Dicklicker.
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Troll
if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.
In the mean time I plan to post about football.
Best of luck
and remember lots of soap and water!!!
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Giants have 8th toughest schedule in NFL. Green Bay the toughest. Not sure why last year's Superbowl teams have it so easy, but they do: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/)
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Troll
if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.
In the mean time I plan to post about football.
Best of luck
and remember lots of soap and water!!!
Lol!
I see you underscored my point. Or you can't read.
It's not a matter of what I feel. It's a matter of fact.
And since it's the truth, you can't handle it, of course.
Heh
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I asked you to wash.
Are you all done covering the big national story, the one that was dead within a few minutes of Brady hanging up?
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National story: https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk (https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk)
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If you weren't nose deep into Brady butt crack you might have read (posted earlier today
Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)
blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel
which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
and troll wipe the shit off your nose
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National story. Cheater has a "reality check".https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html)
Better he should check what TB12 is putting in his Starbucks drink.
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season starts in a week,
any interest in a Pro pick'em this year?
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Fantastic off season Jets may have finally secured their franchise, not franchez, QB.
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Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)
The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
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Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)
The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
Kinda depressing Kaep and his fellow gladiators are essentially protesting the same issues protested by Tommy Smith and John Carlos when I was 10.
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I'll pass on a Pick Em. I always forget to make my picks at some point and that messes everything up
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I've no idea why I watched off/on Pats/Giants last night, as there was probably no more than a handful of guys who will actually play this year, but its not often I've seen a 86-yard QB "sneak" for a TD.
Carl Banks, (I think it was him) said "7 guys just got cut on that play".
the real hi-light, I hope, is no one got hurt.
Pats are woefully short of receivers, speculation is they either mine the Sept 1 player cut-down dump or trade a D-lineman for adecent WR (Golden Tate is the rumor du jour)
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Starting the excuse making already? Ha!
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Its called an impartal observation, and it was first made a couple of weeks ago.
and speaking of observations, wipe the shit off your nose ass-wipe
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NFL Week 1
for informational and entertainment purposes only
NFL Line 9/6 - 9/10, 2018
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
9/6 8:20 ET At Philadelphia -2.5 Atlanta 45.5
9/9 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -5.5 At Cleveland 46.5
9/9 1:00 ET At Minnesota -6 San Francisco 46
9/9 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -3 Cincinnati 47
9/9 1:00 ET At Baltimore -7 Buffalo 41
9/9 1:00 ET Jacksonville -3 At NY Giants 43.5
9/9 1:00 ET At New Orleans -9.5 Tampa Bay 49.5
9/9 1:00 ET At New England -6.5 Houston 51
9/9 1:00 ET Tennessee -2 At Miami 46
9/9 4:05 ET At LA Chargers -3 Kansas City 47.5
9/9 4:25 ET At Denver -2.5 Seattle 42
9/9 4:25 ET At Carolina -2.5 Dallas 42.5
9/9 4:25 ET At Arizona PK Washington 44
9/9 8:20 ET At Green Bay -7.5 Chicago 48
Monday Night Football Line
9/10 7:10 ET At Detroit -6.5 NY Jets 44.5
9/10 10:20 ET LA Rams -4.5 At Oakland 49.5
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Winning off the field... and so far, in the courts.
The new ad, which Kaepernick shared on social media Monday afternoon, features the message: "Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."
Nike signed Kaepernick in 2011 and kept him on its endorsement roster over the years. The company had not used him in the past two years.
"We believe Colin is one of the most inspirational athletes of this generation, who has leveraged the power of sport to help move the world forward," Gino Fisanotti, Nike's vice president of brand for North America, told ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign)
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Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.
Philadelphia and the under
21-17 Eggles.
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Falcons.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
This game is wholly representative of what we've come to know as Thursday Night Footbal.
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I can only remember to make picks when the game is about to start. I'm a deadline guy.
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Matty has lost the plate tonight.
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heh
like i was saying-that was a brutal throw
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The ending was good television, but the game as a whole was awful!
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
lol
shoulda kept it in your pants
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Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.
Philadelphia and the under
21-17 Eggles.
Little thing we call a perfect game, my friends
Win
WIN vs spread
WIN vs O/U
- by the way - openings in score predicting contest if anyone is interested - just need an e-mail from you.
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Will take Falcons with points and the under.
So now you make picks?
heh
Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.
lol
shoulda kept it in your pants
Why?
a few guys shared their prediction.
and we lost, mostly due to Matty Ice gakking repeatedly in the red zone.
Congrats on your perfecto.
And I'll pass on your pool I'm in a couple already one against spread (0-1) one KO (still alive)
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
CNN agreed.
And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
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agreed that was a lot of bad football.
Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
CNN agreed.
And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
Surprising BB couldn't come up with some gametime modification in strategy or sub packages to blunt the force of Foles.
very strange.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
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Had Ravens as well
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Had mypicks ready to submit today, then my internet goes out
Faced with a 3 minutes to deadline - had to redo entire page so I quickly posted a "loser gets 17 points" model.
Here is what I ended up with mostly favorites covering:
Steelers -5.5
Vikings -6
Indy -3
Ravens -7
Giants +3
Saints -9.5
Pats -6.5
Dolphins +2
Chargers -3
Broncs -2.5
Cowboys +2.5
Arizona PK
Packers -7.5
Lions -6.5
Rams -4.5
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Over/unders I have
I have just Saints, Packers and Ravens games going OVER the points
What a mess, but may work out.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
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The TB/NO game is crazy!
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Brees 26-31 for 318 with no picks and Saints are down 17
Incredible
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Looks like I had Deshaun Jackson a year early
heh
Meanwhile Schurmur goes for 2, down 5 with ten to play - interesting. I liek the gamble, but now they have to go for 2 again if they score.
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KO pool
wk-1 Ravens
not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.
IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.
BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.
At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
yes and no.
I thought the problem mostly would be lack of toys on offense, but Brady continues to make chicken salad from... And Gronk is special. I exepcted the D to be good and it was but I was concerned about effectiveness vs. mobile QBs. Special teams gave up some longer than usual returns. And the turnovers sucked but all in all they played well enough and they won a little ugly.
awinzawin
But the concerns about athleticism and depth remain. There is only so much coaching can do.
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The Browns-the streak is over!
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The Browns-the streak is over!
Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.
Not a good look for Big Ben.
And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)
Colin the K is still out there...
ETA: Thanks, Yank.
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His name is Peterman.
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The Jimmy Garoppolo streak is also over.
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The Browns-the streak is over!
Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.
Not a good look for Big Ben.
And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)
Colin the K is still out there...
ETA: Thanks, Yank.
Bills head coach Sean McDermott said after Sunday’s 47-3 loss to the Ravens that it is too soon to say whether the Bills will go with Nathan Peterborough or Josh Allen.
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His name is Peterman.
His Urban Sombrero while not a huge financial success, revolutionized NYC street fashion in the late 80s. Cheeky, but with a hint of maschismo that drew oles from Soho to the Village.
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Peterman will be fine as long as he doesn't hire Elaine Benes to work for him.
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The Redskins look like a model of professionalism next to the Cardinals.
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Quite the closing minutes for the Bears/Packers!
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Will Sam Darnold snap the curse of the USC QB?
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LOLOLOL
I feel bad for the kid but that is too funny.
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Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.
And it still has a quarter to go.
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Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.
And it still has a quarter to go.
Worse comes to worse, Matty P always has rocket science to fall back on.
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Impressive performance/comeback from the ledge by Darnold/Jets last night.
I've posted elsewhere that with a decent D, a potential rookie franchise QB and $90 million in cap space, JETS may be a major PITA real soon.
I wonder if Jersey A develops remorse at what left for Jersey B?
Time will tell.
7-8-1 against the spread
picking 16 is a tough way to make dough
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Jets may be in on Leveon.
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Missed the THU pick.
I will post the odds I am using weekly. You guys that want to play along can use mine or post what your adjusted line is from your pool. Picking O/U as well - though I wouldnt expect everyone to
Week 2
Bengals +1 defeated Ravens 34-23 - game goes over 44 points
Skins -6 vs Colts (46)
Falcons -6 vs Panthers (44.5)
Vikings -1 at Packers (46)
Chargers -7.5 at Bills (43)
Texans -2.5 at Titans (44.5)
Steelers -4 vs Chiefs (52.5)
Jets -3 vs Dolphins (44)
Eagles -3 at Buccaneers (43.5)
Saints -9 vs Browns (49.5)
Rams -12.5 vs Cardinals (45.5)
Niners -6 vs Lions (48)
Patriots -1.5 at Jaguars (45.5)
Broncos -6 vs Raiders (45)
Cowboys -3 vs Giants (42.5)
Bears -3.5 vs Seahawks (43.5)
Good luck.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
I think standard scoring is a TKO.
you coulda been a contenda...
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Late switch off bucs to eagles
Money plays ... Hou vs points
And 4 team parlay vs points ... 11.7-1
Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Broncos
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Scores
Skins 24-20
Atl 24-17
Green Bay 27-24
Chargers 24-14
Hou 23-17
Pitt 31-24
Jets 24-17
Eagles 23-19
Saints 31-24
Rams 30-13
Niners 27-20
Patriots 28-21
Broncos 28-21
NYG 23-20
Seahawks 20-17
Good luck.
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Boy, Buffalo looks as bad as any team I have seen in ages. And I am a Browns fan.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
Looks like I stayed alive with chargers
Sorry...forgot to post
Good game in Pitt as Steelers tie it again
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
I feel like one of the Gibbs Brothers with that win..
ah, ah, ah, ah, Stayin alive
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
life ain't fair boz.
that had to suck
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Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
life ain't fair boz.
that had to suck
Two weeks in a row. Left 8 points out on the field today.
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Jags with a major ass-kicking
not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
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Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.
Wow.
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Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.
Wow.
Wow is right. He was drafted what, 4 years ago?
Pats could use a young LB if he decided to make a comeback.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
Vontae Mack was a fake player wasn't he?
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Jags with a major ass-kicking
not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
2nd half wasn't much better.
Better team won.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.
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It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.
I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.
He was.
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rough night for Opie.
the imagined offensive juggernaut hasn't quite jelled yet
that O-line might get him killed.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
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We have also, to the surprise of no one, picked up a new kicker and kicked Gonzalez out. Straight out. No truth to the rumor we kicked him out wide right.
Minnesota picked up the guy I wanted us to get, Dan Bailey.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.
They kept the sneakers.
Color me skeptical.
Who else you guys got?
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.
They kept the sneakers.
Color me skeptical.
Who else you guys got?
Need a kicker?
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From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”
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An anonymous "assistant" thinks that the staff believes that the staff and not one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, is responsible for winning several championships.
Good to know.
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you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
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speaking of top 15 QBs with some post-season success, this is an OP elsewhere about the NYFG
"The New York Football Giants are shaping up to be a shit-show of finger-pointing, second guessing and a lot of bad football this year. So...
Rather than upset Eli and create a QB controversy, Dave Gettleman hired by NFL royalty, the Mara/Tischs, doubled down on Opie, thinking they had the talent to win it now.
To keep the peace in Mayberry, who's townfolk revolted when Opie was benched last year, did not draft the next franchise QB, or trade the 2nd pick in the draft for a package to rebuild and fill and several holes, like the O-line, but instead they drafted a very talented running back. And then they commited to a long-term contract to OBJ, making him the highest paid prima dona head case receiver in the NFL. The PR was this team was an offensive juggernaut, loaded and ready to win.
Poor Opie will make it to Yom Kippur, but may not make it to Halloween if the O-line plays like it played last night. No protection for Eli, no time to let OBJ run routes, not strong enough to open holes for Barkely to scamper through.
So for G-Men fans, kibbitzers, fans of car crashs or schadenfreud share your thoughts, stats, insights, rants or vents, on the blue-bloods of the NFL, BIG-BLUE, the NYFG
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
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you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
Dr. Ford is anonymous?
No she's not.
If some unnamed source wants to take credit for Pats championships, cool.
But I don't have to give it much credibility, particularly when I've seen Brady play.
See, troll, I believe my eyes, not what I'm told to believe.
You are free however to ignore the obvious and believe what you choose.
And in that regard I will believe based on your exhibited behavior and posts that you're an idiot, who'd rather dish on Brady than utter a single word on the shit show in your own house.
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
Shurmer was on with Francesa yesterday and did not make a great impression in his 10-15 minute interview.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
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While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.
Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
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"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.
Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
Perhaps, but he doesn't want to end up his career showing his true self.
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From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”
Hey, it's an argument. I mean, Matt Cassel did take the Pats to 11-5!
OTOH, Belichick's system had a top 15 quarterback who went 5-12 with that head coach the year before Bill became a genius - a quarterback whose team went 8-8 under Pete Carroll.
Perhaps if Bill goes away for a year we can find out, though it would have been a better experiment in, say, this last Super Bowl!
I think it took them both.
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I think as Brady is viewing the end of his career, he has been more forthcoming.
And if some take objection to Brady showing his "true self" whatever that might be, I imagine he will survive his anonymous and envious critics, quite nicely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA)
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
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Tyrod Taylor just got Wally Pipped.
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Congrats boz
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Congrats boz
Free beer!
Joe Thomas has dropped a lot of weight.
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probably cut out starches or something
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Almost physically restraining my overreaction.
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Fuck it. BAKER MAYFIELD IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK SINCE OTTO FUCKING GRAHAM! WE ARE WINNING THE NEXT 12 SUPER BOWLS!
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
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The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.
And now that you have the GOAT...
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)
6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.
3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.
And no reason to expect the trend to stop.
Implications for colleges and the pros.
Will Trump step in to save the game?
In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
Spring sport.
Not sure what HS aged footballers are doing when they drop from the ranks. YOUTH can transition to soccer. But at 15/16? Wouldnt be common.
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut
Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")
Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.
Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it. And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.
Cant wait to hear MIKE F today. He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
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The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.
And now that you have the GOAT...
Denzel Ward: three games, three turn overs. Four sacks for Garrett, and O-Gun is playing in the backfield. Yeah, we have played well enough on defense to win each game.
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That is out of my system. We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him. Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.
I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut
Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")
Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.
Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it. And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.
Cant wait to hear MIKE F today. He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
The "leadership" thing was the selling point, but in the NFL leadership is really inextricably from talent and results.
I liked the Jets D. They were.dominant for most.of the first half, and a lot of Mayfield's throws were in great spots. Hyde, who I always liked and thought undervalued was bottled up until the second half.
Mayfield sure seems to "get" Landry who has been as good as we paid him to be and better than I expected. I.still expect, to borrow from Aunt Dahlia's French chef Anatole, a few roughs with the smooth. But I see a glimmer.
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Browns were good on D last year, too. But the really short field they had to defend and number of plays they had to play skewed the numbers. Biggest problem was the defensive backfield, which is why they valued Ward over Chubb and traded for Randall.
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And they already try to take Mayfield down
(bot sure who Jason McIntyre is but here he is a douche)
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664 (https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664)
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Jets need to clean management and coaching, they should be good.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
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Picks today
Survivor - Jags
Colts +6.5
Carolina -3
Jags - 7.5
Atlanta -3
Broncos +5.5
Giants +6
Miami -3
Redskins +3
Vikings -16.5
San Fran +6.5
LA Rams -7
Arizona +6
Cowboys +1,5
Lions +6.5
Buccaneers +1.5
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
60% of my pool has Minnesota
Go Bills!
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..............and some early gifts from Cousins
Bills by 17.
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KO pool
for shits and giigles
wk-1 Ravens
wk-2 Saints
wk-3 Vikes
Any given Sunday
heh
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Allen must be playing well
Usually I'd say that game isnt over yet.
But.....
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Wait a minute -
Niners are down 14 with 5 minutes left and they kicked a field goal?
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Much needed and nice bounce back week for Opie and the G-Men.
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The end of the Jimmy G era?
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Is he dead?
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
I heard MCL also.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
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Giants finally had enough of Erick Flowers, and Eli reaped the benefits.
Pats lose, Dolphins win.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.
I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?
If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.
KoD.
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Is he dead?
No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.
But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Never mind. The penny dropped. Perhaps if you had capitalized the F.
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The Patriots look terrible!
If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
An awful lot of terrible tonight.
They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.
Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.
As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east, maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.
Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.
I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?
If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.
KoD.
I have it LA Rams - Cleveland Browns. I may be overreacting for part of that.
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Pick is Rams -7. And over 48.5.
34-24 LA
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Does your bookie or local sports book allow a wager so long after the game starts?
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Only played the over......
And of course there is the scores contest.
Thinking of taking the mulligan in Survivor pool for another unit.
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Nice defense the Vikes got...
heh
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Nice defense the Vikes got...
heh
While I was listening in the car, it didn't sound like either team had defense, though the Vikings got the Rams to punt first after 5 consecutive scoring drives by the two sides.
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Back in knockout (mulligan)
FALCONS
Picks (spread)
Rams -6.5 Vikes over 48.5 (++)
Patriots -7 Dolphins under 48
Texans +2.5 Colts over 47.5
Falcons -6 Bengals over 51.5
Bills +10 Green Bay over 44.5
Dallas -3 Lions under 43.5
Jets +7.5 Jags under 38
Bears -2.5 Bucs under 48.5
Eagles -3.5 Titans over 42
Seahawks -3 Cardinals under 38.5
Browns +2.5 Oakland over 45
Chargers -10.5 Niners under 47
Giants +3.5 Saints over 50
Steelers -3 Ravens under 48.5
Chiefs -5 Broncos over 55
Underdogs to win game - Texans, Browns, Giants
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Chargers, Jags, Packers biggest SURVIVOR picks.
320 players left. About half (with me) have the one loss and thus cannot rebuy again if they lose.
Pool is about 1500 units, winner take all
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Hah
Muerte again
Nice job by Bungles
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Pats needed a game like that, clicking on most cylinders.
D played real well and controlled the game.
Sony Michel looked like a difference maker and had a good game, and Gordon helped.
Brady was not surgical sharp, but good enough, but he's off so far this year.
Lets see if getting Jules back, (short week vs Indy) on Thurs PM, gets them to another level.
As an aside, finding/picking games this year has been a really tough.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.
Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
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It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball. It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.
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It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball. It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.
He's definitely been losing his fastball for the past 2-3 years, but he had his trusted Jules and Danny to find spots/get open, and he's been surgical in the intermediate game. But this year, with no binkies, coverage of Gronk gets tighter and the shutdown corners are looking at Dorsett and Hogan instead of Jules and Danny. Different game and he's been forced into high risk throws. And it shows.
I hope with Edelman returning and maybe Gordon being a threat, things will get easier for the old man
we'll see.
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Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!
To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.
Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
We got completely screwed by the refs! NO sane person should change the spot on that play unless they were paid to! We need a league wide I investigation! Baker Mayfield is the greatest QB ever and the refs were bribed to cost him his first win!
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:Got Pats -10. Under 51.5.
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Steelers -3 35-31 over 57.5
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Browns 24-21 +3
Chiefs 31-24 -3
Titans 20-17 -3.5
Panthers 27-17 -7
Broncos 20-17 +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5
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Bengals 28-20 -6.5
Chargers 37-30 -5.5
Miners 20-17 -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21 -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24 -6.5
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How about those Packers!
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brutal gut punch loss for G-Men.
a 63-yarder at the buzzer?
ouch
And Brownies win in OT on what may be ugliest wounded duck of a FG that wobbled through the goal posts in recent memory.
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that was an insane catch n run by Hopkins to set up the game winning FG.
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10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
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PARADE.JPEG
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10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
You might want to recount your wins and losses, strsight and ATS.
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Eggles lost - had it as a W
9-5
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Eggles lost - had it as a W
9-5
that's half the truth
and a quick accounting indicates you're 6-7-1 ATS
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Thanks again, dickie
wins vs spread
Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)
Texans a push
8-5-1
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Same 17-10 composite
Have to check the O/U
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O/U wins
New England (over 51.5)
Pitt (over 57)
Browns (under 47)
Titans (under 39)
Detroit (under 51)
Bengals (under 49.5)
Rams (over 50.5)
7-7
24-17-1 total
always look for 60+ per cent.
Just under this week
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Thanks again, dickie
wins vs spread
Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)
Texans a push
8-5-1
You had neither the Bills nor the Cards.
here are your picks
:Got Pats -10. Under 51.5.
Steelers -3 35-31 over 57.5
Browns 24-21 +3
Chiefs 31-24 -3
Titans 20-17 -3.5
Panthers 27-17 -7
Broncos 20-17 +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5
Bengals 28-20 -6.5
Chargers 37-30 -5.5
Miners 20-17 -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21 -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24 -6.5
As I said Timmy you were 6-7-1 ATS
I'll give you the benefit of thr doubt, and assume you made a mistake in recall.
You might want to check that out, as for reasons known only to you, you have demonstrated on several occasions, an inability to accurately represent your predictions.
Maybe eat more brain food.
Or stop lying.
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Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?
Never mind. Just too funny for words.
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Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?
Never mind. Just too funny for words.
best of luck telling your bookie that Titans -3 1/2 and 49ers -4 are winners, and he got it wrong.
TFF
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Drew Brees is the GOAT.
END
OF
STORY.
STFU, Brady.
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Just noticing the Saints romp.....
Takes us to 9-5 vs the number
10-5 on game winners
8-7 O/U
27-17 composite (.614)
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heh
and Trump only got a 1-million dollar loan from daddy.
accounting is tricky stuff.
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I guess it can be
100% straight forward in this case
But I appreciate your counting along with me. As youc an see, I am quite willing to correct anymistake I make in my quick counting.
Can you go back and tally last week for me? I didnt count up totals for 2 of the 4 weeks. 1 I know was pretty shoddy.
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21-23-1 last 3 weeks......vs spread.
Will tally weeks 1 and 2 later on......
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its been a tough year for most people handicapping games this year.
I'm in a ATS pool and I'm hovering near .500, but only about 10% are over .500.
Last week was my best week (ATS) to date. 9-5-1.
My game/bar bets are doing better, in the black a few $$$, but can't find as many games as I really like.
Too many new QBs and teams going through personnel changes to get solid reads plus its still a little early see who's over and under-valued.
Hopefully things get easier and more transparent as more info assessed.
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leaning G-Men +3 tonight against a beat-up Iggles in what could be played in a monsoon
probably the under too (45)
all subject to fine tuning and some 2nd guessing and injuries but lets go with
dogs 23
birds 17
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Wet weather favors running game and receivers causing defenders to fall down.
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the weather is going to be bigger factor than usual tonight
but seeing how my season has gone so far, it will probabyl be sunny and in the 70s tonight
heh
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Giants, getting 3, win game. Game goes OVER 44 points
NY 24 Philly 21
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Eagles win after Nick Foles enters game. :-o
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sounds like the citizens of Mayberry are getting a little frustrated with Opie
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Barkley putting on a helluva show
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rest of the G-Men putting on a no-show.
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Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up
Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up
He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
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Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up
Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up
He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
Heh
Pretty sure EMann won't have to work post career.
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
That hasn't been said on NY radio
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Will make this a little easier to understand this week
Week 6 picks (winner of bet listed first)
Giants +3 vs Philly 26-23 NY (44)
Cleveland +1 vs Chargers Browns 22-19 (45)
Vikings -10.5 vs Cards 30-14 Min (43)
Miami +3 vs Chicago Dolphins 23-20 (41.5)
Skins -1 vs Panthers Wash 27-24 (45)
NY Jets -2.5 vs Colts NY 24-20 (45)
Steelers +2.5 @ Cincinnati Pitt 27-24 (53)
Bucs +3.5 @ Atlanta Falcons 31-30 (57.5)
Seahawks -3 Oakland (London) SEA 27-20 (48)
Houston -8 vs Bills Texans 27-17 (OFF)
Rams -7 @ Denver LAR 30-21 (52.5)
Dallas +3 vs Jaguars Cowboys 20-17 (40.5)
Ravens -3 @ Tennessee Baltimore 23-17 (41)
Chiefs +3.5 @ New England Patriots 31-30 (59.5)
Green Bay -9.5 vs 49ers Packers 35-17 (46.5)
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And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
That hasn't been said on NY radio
I don't know which NY radio you listen to, but I suspect its might be NPR, because if you listened to "FAN you would have heard some combination of Yankee post-mortem calls killing Stanton and Boone, and an avalanche of calls, questioning the Giants strategy to reload based upon Eli's leading the team, and that Eli is cooked, done finito, and when does he get benched.
The 1st and 2nd guessers ruled the airwaves in a wake of the Yankees and Giants losses.
There is no question Barkley is a hugely talented player, but All Things Considered, he's a luxury item for a team that needs basics.
its like putting a $25,000 deluxe 30 speaker audio system in a '72 shitbox Ford Pinto.
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Yeah..my bad
Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers. People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?
Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
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Yeah..my bad
Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers. People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
Sorry koach some people recognized the G-Men needed a complete overhaul, starting with a rebuild of the O-line. Adding a running back, even as good as he is, with the #2 pick, seemed to me like a luxury item for the Giants.
I posted last year there were 2 reasonable choices, draft a new franchise QB or trade the #2 for a basket of picks to start rebuilding the holes on the O and D.
But new management pussied out and kept the Maras and Tisches and the pitchfork carrying folks of Mayberry happy, and avoided the QB controversy that was staring them right n the face, and picked a running back at the #2, and then compounded their stupidity by extending OBJ to a new mega contract.
And the good but simple townfolk of Mayberry were told the G-Men were an offfensive juggernaut now ready to compete for post-season glory.
What they got was a good running back with no O-line to open holes for him, or protect an all but immobile and quickly deteriorating QB, who has no time other than to throw 2 yard check downs, while OBJ heads for the locker-room throwing his teamates under the bus.
G-Men's season is all but over, and one can only hope that new management picked up some Titleists, as thats the only ball that will see any action this post-season by BIG BLUE.
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Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.
Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
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Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?
Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
I know squat about fantasy football, but from what I understand, running backs like Barkley are highly prized in fantasy world, which may explain kid's delusion and his confusing the real world and real football, with his fantasies.
And you, me and more than a few others, have mentioned "Barkley"Sanders in posts.
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looking at the Browns as a pick'em, and Denver +7
have bet the Pats -3
think thats going to be a high-scoring game something like
Pats 38
Chiefs 31
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Cant change it in my pool now but would think Bears will now cover with tannehill out
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"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."
Yeah....nice call
Heh
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"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."
Yeah....nice call
Heh
Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
The Giants are not a good football team. They were not a good football team last year, and have not been a good football team in several years.
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
So I understand why that conclusion escaped you.
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
So yes they got a good running back.
But that's all they got.
Enjoy Barkley in your fantasy play.
Heh
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I bagged my league but my RBs were the Broncs rookie, White and McCaffrey (Bell was also on my autodrafted roster)
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Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
Thanks, google
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
Not just any running back
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer
Enjoy the process
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4-5 into the late games
Oy.
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Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.
Thanks, google
It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.
Not just any running back
So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.
Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer
Enjoy the process
I never move the goalposts, I don't have to.
I made the argument last year the G-Men had two options with regard to the #2 pick. 1) Identify the new franchise QB in a year where there seemed to be several good choices The Giants rarely draft that high and it seemed like a good time to pick Eli's succesor. 2) The other option was to trade down, and get additional picks to fill the several holes that were apparent. its possible that they could have gotten a good QB and a free high pick or two, for the #2 pick. An additional suggestion was to trade OBJ for maybe a #1 and a 3, or whaterver the market was for an all-pro WR/prima dona. There was a good opportunity for new management to rebuild on an accelerated time frame.
The Giants opted for a different path. There is no question that Barkley is a special talent, but I do not think he will change a bad team, with a declining QB into a post-season team. A path that will lead them deeper into the woods.
And they will get lost.
As i said picking Barkley was like installing a $25,000 audio system in a '72 Pinto.
Happy motoring.
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Niiiice. A perfect game to finish this Sunday
Pats win. Chiefs cover. And the over.
Sox win with Price. All is good.
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
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4-5 into the late games
Oy.
Had this wrong - it was 5-4
Finished 8-6. 12-2 on winners.
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Niiiice. A perfect game to finish this Sunday
Pats win. Chiefs cover. And the over.
Sox win with Price. All is good.
"with Price"
Try "despite Price."
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
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great double-header
one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/10/14/red-sox-chris-sale-hospitalized-stomach-illness-alcs/
Visits to the hospital for stomach upset are also up.
#RedSox LHP Chris Sale reported a stomach illness today and was admitted to MGH for observation this afternoon. He will be kept overnight for evaluation and any further updates will be released when available.
He started feeling it after the game, Saturday. While he isn't traveling when the team does to Houston, they've made no determinations of what's going to happen yet.
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Price to Game 5.
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.705 composite this week
13-2 winners
8-7 ATS
10-4 O/U
31-13
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Giants are now in QB hell and cap hell. Eli has one 30 point game in three years! Jets are in QB and cap heaven.
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A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.
Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.
heh
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The best argument I think for Barkley remains that he's a once-in-a-generation talent and that the type of talent that was available QB wise comes along every year. The problem with that argument is that you're not always in a position to grab that QB talent and that even if you do, by the time that QB talent is developed and ready (I think QBs, with notable exceptions, take several years to be ready to win and running backs are usually done, with fewer notable exceptions in only a few years), Barkley would likely be on the downside and thus the benefits of having both might not be that great.
I think Herbert is as talented as anybody who came out last year, but he seems several years away from being an NFL QB.
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I think the Giants wont pick #1 - and Herbert may very well be gone.
Who they take is anyone's guess.
Maybe Eli gets pasted and we get to see one of the 2 backups.
Doesnt usually happen though - does it?
JACOBY BRISSETT has been brought up as a guy Giants should look at. I dont disagree.
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Herbert is ranked number one on most draft sites. Giants should go after him. Mara still cannot believe that Eli has any thread left on the tires?
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Eli rates just fine.
I dont think Giants will have the top pick. But we shall see.
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Thursday nighter
Denver -2 at Arizona 41.5
Broncos 24 Cards 19
Sunday morning (London)
LA Chargers -6.5 vs Titans 45
Chargers 24 Titans 20 (Titans side win bet, geniuses)
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A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.
Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.
heh
There's no need to misrepresent my opinion, and an opinion that has gained currency as the Giant's season has developed.
So I will repeat what I said last year, the Giants had two good options with the #2 pick
1) draft Eli's successor
2) trade the pick for a package of picks to address a few areas of concern
Again, Barkley is a very talented player, but very few running backs, particulalry in today's pass-centric game, are the centerpiece of a team's offense.
I'll stick to the pimpimg out the '72 Pinto shit-box analogy.
And as I'm not really familiar with Herbert, I'll pass judgement on him.
So kid, play to your strength, and feel free to misrepresent my opinion on him to cover your own inadequacies.
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Its basically what you have concluded.
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Nope I concluded with the #2 pick the Giants had two options, neither of which was buying a $25,000 audio system for a '72 shit-box Pinto.
IMO Barkley was a luxury item that Giants could not afford.
If the Giants end up with another top (1-4) draft pick maybe they should seriously consider the next franchise QB if they think he's there
and then use the next couple of picks (2nd 3rd round) to start rebuilding the O-line, becasue if you stick a rookie QB behind that line and he will get killed.
or if ther next QB is not there consider trade offers to trade down, and use the extra picks to rebuild.
I don't know enough about Herbert to conclude he's the next G-Men franchise savior.
But in the next couple weeks, will start watching more college games and start making observations.
I find that information is the best way to start to form a useful opinion.
I understand thats a concept foreign to you.
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6 games
6 TD
811 yards from scrimmage
5.2 yards per carry
1-5 record
Oh - and no O line.
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I think James Stewart or (insert free agent here) could be doing all that with the reps.
heh
Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
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6 games
6 TD
811 yards from scrimmage
5.2 yards per carry
1-5 record
Oh - and no O line.
Kid you keep on confusing fantasy scoring with the how the modern NFL game is played.
$25K sound system in a '72 shitbox Pinto.
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Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
very few losing teams use a running game to get back into games.
Its mostly a time management problem.
Barkley is a very talented RB, but his skills may not be fully untilized in his current situation.
Funny how I've been hearing more and more 2nd guessing on WFAN over the pick.
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Rest of NFL slate
Patriots -3.5 @ Chicago 49.5
Tampa Bay -3 vs Browns 49.5
Lions -1 @ Miami off
Philadelphia -4.5 vs Panthers 45.5
Indianapolis -7.5 vs Bills 43.5
Kansas City -6 vs Bengals 58.5
Vikings -3 @ NY Jets 47
Jacksonville -4.5 vs Texans 42.5
Baltimore -2.5 vs Saints 49.5
Washington -1.5 vs Cowboys 41.5
Rams -10 @ San Francisco 53
Atlanta -6 vs NY Giants 54.5
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Patriots -3.5 @ Chicago 49.5 - Pats 27-19
Tampa Bay -3 vs Browns 49.5 - Bucs 26-20
Lions -1 @ Miami off - Dolphins 20-17
Philadelphia -4.5 vs Panthers 45.5 - Eagles 23-20 (Panthers cover)
Indianapolis -7.5 vs Bills 43.5 - Colts 24-17 (Bills cover)
Kansas City -6 vs Bengals 58.5 - Chiefs 35-28
Vikings -3 @ NY Jets 47 - Jets 24-21
Jacksonville -4.5 vs Texans 42.5 - Jags 24-17
Baltimore -2.5 vs Saints 49.5 - Ravens 30-27
Washington -1.5 vs Cowboys 41.5 - Cowboys 20-17
Rams -10 @ San Francisco 53 - Rams 34-23
Atlanta -6 vs NY Giants 54.5 - Falcons 34-31 (NY covers)
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Patriots cover and the points are well over.
Hope Sony Michel is okay.
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Pats-Bears was one weird game all the way to the final whistle
It looked liked Michel got corkscrewed into Soldier's Field.
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Holy crap, Eagles.
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Fumble
Game.
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Late FG and XP misses a killer (Dallas, Baltimore), though it did help somewhat (59 yarder) in TB game
6-6 vs spread here (push on TB/Cle), though I did make one late change for the better in the contest - switching off to Vikes win and cover
O/U were 6-6
ouch.
Need Giants cover and over for positive week.
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"Late change for the "bettor"
I'm sure it was.
heh
Speaking of the Monday Morning QBing and the G-Men
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)
Fans now loudly accuse the Giants’ brain trust of not only bungling this season but ruining the team’s future, too.
At the center of it all is Eli Manning, the beloved quarterback who brought the team its last two championships, winning the Most Valuable Player Award in each Super Bowl, but who is well past his prime.
Ruining the future?
Wow that's harsh.
I took the Giants and the points, (a crazy +5 1/2) as everyone scores on Atlanta's D, should be a high-scoring affair.
But reading that article I may make some "late changes for the "bettor".
I play in an ATS pool and having a very poor season so far, as are most people, from what I can tell.
of 20 players, 2 are over .500, and only one in the money when accounting for vig.
too much uncertainty and too many young QBs who play hot and cold and hot
its good to be the house.
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back door cover
NY/NJ rejoices!
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Wow - talk about your misleading headlines:
Matt shines, Eli struggles........
What?
31-39 for Ryan
27-38 for Eli
10+ yards per attempt for Eli
<10 yards per for Ryan
1 TD/ 0 int for each
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Which guy got more fantasy points?
G-Men left too many guys on base
couldn't get a hit with RISP.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
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G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.
Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.
Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
boz whaddayamean?
This is an offense that is built for a long post season run!!!
I'm just thankful the Maras are keeping it together.
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Nice job by Giants getting Apple's value up to at least a respectable level.
Byyyyyye, Annnnnnniee........
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Bleacher Report's got an opinion piece that perhaps the Giants aren't ruining their future, but they are wasting OBJ's career:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802329-giants-squandering-odell-beckhams-prime-by-refusing-to-address-the-eli-problem?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
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I don't see him playing very long.
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Apple trade -
Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.
If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.
But....
somehow I think its the latter.
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Apple trade -
Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.
If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.
But....
somehow I think its the latter.
Eli Manning is an untreadable asset. Not that he is not better than several other Quarterbacks, but the geams.with worse ones would not be interested in Manning.
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Hmmm........
Not so sure
There are teams that are close - and not 100% thrilled with their current QB situation.
Could such a team rework their cap situation to fit Eli in?
Likely there is such as scenario - sure
At issue would be what the Giants demand and if that would then squelch the deal.
But again - if Gettleman thinks Giants can be a playoff team with Eli in 2019-20.......he stays anyway.
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Eli's due $23M next year, then a UFA, so one has to wonder what team trades for an immobile 38 YO QB on the hope they can adequately protect him?
The speculation was the Jville and Coughlin might be a landing spot.
But with the Giants breaking up the D, (Apple, Harrison and who's next?) it seems next years draft might have to be dedicated to Eli's eventual replacement, defense with some O-line FAs added in.
There are a lot of holes on that team.
I'd still dangle OBJ to see what I could get for him.
He's a cancer that I've thought the Giants would be better off without.
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Giants are being more than patient with Odell - but if overwhelmed with an offer, might send him somewhere.
Isnt the first superstar to act the fool when losing, thats for sure.
(They aint all Larry Fitzgeralds, I am sure you know)
I like the DT from HOU in first round next year.
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He's acted like a fool since his one-handed catch.
and he believed the hype.
G-Men, Coughlin in particular, blew it by allowing it to continue, but TC was afraid for his job so he allowed the tail to wag the dog.
Damn shame.
should have traded him before they signed him to a golden anchor.
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".......and he believed the hype"
Not sure what this means.
I will let you retract if you like.
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".......and he believed the hype"
Not sure what this means.
I will let you retract if you like.
I'm perfectly comfortable with what I've posted.
Today and over the past few years, as they are perfectly consistent.
His 1-hadned catch went to his head and he's acted like a spoiled brat prima dona ever since.
I don't think he's worth the bullshit he brings to the Giants.
And more and more I hear more and more Giant fans come to the same conclusion.
the Giants are now attached to him with a golden anchor.
they should have traded him in the off-season.
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
Why the fuck are you asking me?
I shared an article - why don't you ask the writer?!
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
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Really? How long you think Beckham will play?
Why the fuck are you asking me?
Its an open forum, Pricie.
You never have to answer if you dont wish.
YG gave the idiot response in your place
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Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
Thanks
I will let them know to dangle Barkley for a first year QB as well
heh
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https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/eli-manning-is-headed-for-bench-its-just-a-matter-of-when/
You can let the Post know, too.
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Did you not do the reading, young lad?
Issue wasnt Eli - and I agree with the Post unless they win next 3.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
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I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
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Could be
I see the line is roughly a PK or Skins -1
I'm having a Costanza year, and ready to go for chicken salad on rye, untoasted, with a cup of tea.
IMO a G-Men win would be a band-aid on a pretty deep wound.
So they'll probably win by 3 TDs
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We're basically looking at the 1970's Giants.
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It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.
I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.
kind of a leading indicator.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
And as I said -
ISSUE WASNT ELI
But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
It's both.
But mostly losing to Eli TWICE is the driver of the ridiculous commentary bankshot has thrown up here.
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Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.
Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.
So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.
Trick or Treat.
And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.
And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.
Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.
HEH
I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.
Gotta lighten up, pal. I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....
Not pretty.
Not bitter at all.
Its a game played by others and I'm just a spectator being entertained.
I do find some of the strategic and management elements interesting and enjoy applying my knowlege and relevant experiences, both professional and personal to some of the situations.
I understand you do not understand.
But over time if you pay attentin, you may.
Its was always about Eli.
And whether to stick with him or look for his successor.
You just did not understand it.
Or that Giant management horribly mismanaged the situation.
People, at least most with a functioning brain and a modicum of understanding of the game, are starting to understand how badly they fucked up.
Not to worry, eventually it will dawn on you.
As for Utley, you may notice he follows me around like a lost puppy.
I own the idiot, and have for years.
You want to rent some space in his head?
I totally own that.
Its small and pointy, but its empty, and as you can tell its hardly used.
The views not very good though, as Utley generally has his head up his ass.
You might like it.
Make me a reasonable offer.
heh
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Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins
24-14 final
Under 44.5
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You dont just trade a guy like that
Has to be a real bigtime offer.
The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall. Division sure is known to turn over.
Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.
OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.
And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA
You're delusional.
That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.
Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.
And as I said -
ISSUE WASNT ELI
But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
Yes.
You're delusional.
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Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins
24-14 final
Under 44.5
The under seems pretty well trampled at this point. The Dolphins are trying hard to preserve their gap so you win on Houston's covering, at least!
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heh
Thanks for keeping me updated...
1-0
1-0
0-1
.667 composite.
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Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning
Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)
O/U is 41.5
Eagles 24 Jags 19
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18 of the 20 people in my ATS pool had Houston last night.
I got lucky.
I also have Iggles Sunday morning.
I aspire to achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin as that was my goal and expectation of picking full ATS slates.
So far, about 90% of that pool, have fallen short of that goal,.
Its been a tough year.
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Rest of the Sunday/Monday slate:
Pittsburgh -8.5 vs Browns 51
Kansas City -10 vs Broncos 55
Chicago -7 vs Jets 45.5
Redskins -1 @ NY Giants 42
Detroit -3 vs Seahawks 49.5
Cincinnati -4.5 vs Buccaneers 54
Ravens -2 @ Carolina 43.5
Colts -3 @ Oakland 50
Arizona -1 vs 49ers 43
LA Rams -9 vs Packers 57
Minnesota -1 vs Saints 53
Patriots -14 @ Buffalo 44.5
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Pittsburgh -8.5 vs Browns 51 PIT 31-17
Kansas City -10 vs Broncos 55 KC 34-17
Chicago -7 vs Jets 45.5 CHI 27-16
Redskins -1 @ NY Giants 42 NYG 23-21
Detroit -3 vs Seahawks 49.5 SEA 27-24
Cincinnati -4.5 vs Buccaneers 54 CIN 28-24 (Bucs cover)
Ravens -2 @ Carolina 43.5 BAL 20-17
Colts -3 @ Oakland 50 IND 30-24
Arizona -1 vs 49ers 43 SF 24-21
LA Rams -9 vs Packers 57 LAR 31-27 (Pack covers)
Minnesota -1 vs Saints 53 MIN 31-28
Patriots -14 @ Buffalo 44.5 NE 30-17 (Bills cover)
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Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning
Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)
O/U is 41.5
Eagles 24 Jags 19
Almost hit the EXACTA
Good Sunday start.
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Eliiiiiiii..... very poor, son. (edit - damn nice play by DB. Eli didnt see it, OBJ looked open)
- By the way, I take Barkley and Beckham with any decent QB. Always in the game with this duo.
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I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
I bit on that one
Pretty decent looking Skins squad today
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Nobody blocked the QB
OY!
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Do the Giants know Barkley is still in this game?
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7-2 winners
6-3 ATS
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Felt bad for Opie, it looked like he just wanted to go home.
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I think I am ready for a mobile QB.......
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Damn - Arizona with a heartbreaker over SF
Nice job by Couldhavebeenagiant Rosen.
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Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh
9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)
21-14 composite (.600)
Meh.
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Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh
9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)
21-14 composite (.600)
Meh.
Screwwing over his fantasy owners to help his team. Where the Fuck are his loyalties?
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I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
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I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Quarterback is not my problem. My problem is my wide receivers suck balls.
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Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight
Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White
Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners. Tonight might be another time - heh
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Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight
Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White
Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners. Tonight might be another time - heh
Maybe he can have White TAKE A FUCKING KNEE ON THE WAY TO SIX POINTS.
Fortunately, my suck balls wide receivers made those points irrelevant for me.
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Browns fire Jackson as HC.
Hue's next?
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Browns fire Jackson as HC.
Hue's next?
I suspect Tito is safe. For the record my Lincoln Riley post on CFB came several hours before that news broke.
The Browns are a poorly coached team. Penalties and lack of preparation.
True interesting fact: six straight Browns head coaches have been fired the week after the second Steelers game. Mostly, that has been because it is usually the last game of the year.
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OC Haley too.
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OC Haley too.
They fired Halley too?
Watching Hard Knocks" it was hard to ignore there seemed to be 2 HCs in competition with each other.
the fat O-line coach who drove the Ferrari should be considered.
Any fat guy who can get into and out of a Ferrari should be of value in any tight situation.
or maybe Sonny Weaver can be an interim guy. Coaching is in his blood.
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Nice late cover by Pats
Ouch
10-4 winners
8-6 ATS
4-9 O/U
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ugly game last night but
AWINZAWIN
Pats missed Sony and Gronk looked stiff
and Commander Brady and his lost Patriot O-men looked lost in the red zone
and got bailed out by Ghost and a pick-6
Bills played tough with no QB
next week might be different for Pats.
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Opie's job may be safe, at least for the next week or so.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation)
Lauletta was trying to make a right turn from the wrong lane in his Jaguar to get to Route 495 West, according to a statement by the Weehawken Police Department. He was told to keep going straight, but Lauletta almost struck an officer while making the illegal turn and then "refused various instructions" after he was stopped by another officer at the end of the on-ramp.
He was charged with eluding police, obstructing administration of law, resisting arrest, reckless driving, disregarding an officer's directions, improper turn in a marked traffic lane and failure to remain in a marked lane.
Police also said the same car was involved in a "similar incident" at the same location Monday, and a summons was issued by mail after the car owned by Lauletta had not stopped and left the scene.
Seems Barney Fife wrote him up.
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Thursday night clash
San Francisco (-3) 27 Raiders 21 OVER 47
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It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.
I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.
kind of a leading indicator.
Halloween recap: Darnold v Eli 3-1
I felt sorry for Opie I told him I wished instead of a candy bar I could give him an O-line.
His dad snickered.
heh
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speaking of QB competition, good one on Sunday night when Rodgers comes to Foxboro for the first time to face-off against Brady.
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Thursday night clash
San Francisco (-3) 27 Raiders 21 OVER 47
Dang
I would be real good without these over/unders
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NFL lines for Sunday 11/4
Minnesota -5.5 vs Detroit (50.5)
Kansas City -8.5 at Cleveland (52)
Baltimore -3 vs Pittsburgh (47)
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay (54)
Miami -3 vs NY Jets (45)
Washington -1.5 vs Atlanta (47.5)
Chicago -9 at Buffalo (37)
Denver -2.5 vs Houston (46.5)
Seattle -1.5 vs LA Chargers (48)
New Orleans -1 vs LA Rams (60)
New England -6 vs Green Bay (56.5)
Dallas -6.5 vs Tennessee (41)
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Minnesota -5.5 vs Detroit (50.5) Vikes 30-24
Kansas City -8.5 at Cleveland (52) Chiefs 35-28 (CLE covers)
Baltimore -3 vs Pittsburgh (47) Steelers 21-17
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay (54) Panthers 31-21
Miami -3 vs NY Jets (45) Dolphins 24-17
Washington -1.5 vs Atlanta (47.5) Falcons 28-25
Chicago -9 at Buffalo (37) Bears 24-10
Denver -2.5 vs Houston (46.5) Texans 24-21
Seattle -1.5 vs LA Chargers (48) Seahawks 27-24
New Orleans -1 vs LA Rams (60) Saints 33-29
New England -6 vs Green Bay (56.5) Packers 37-31
Dallas -6.5 vs Tennessee (41) Cowboys 21-17 (Titans cover)
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Anyone playing?
Nah.....didnt think so.
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Nice half for Darnold
Just audible to a handoff, son.
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OMG
Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.
Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
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OMG
Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.
Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Justin Gilbert.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
(Over/Under? Why would we mention that?!)
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Think I got at least 4 on the O/U
White scored already? Nice. Good player.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
You got the Patriots' score on the nose...
Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
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Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.
Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
Probably. BB doesn't invest a lot of original capital in WR, and when he does he misses or gets unlucky.
Gordon's got great hands, as it seems if he's got a hold of something, he's got it. Or he's got OBJ's glove, or Rice's "stick'em".
He had his best game as a Pat last night.
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I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............
10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
You got the Patriots' score on the nose...
Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
Yep - the forced fumble was the killer at 17-all.
And turns out we were 6-6 on the O/U - the usual mediocrity.
Onward with Titans to cover. Last 2 weeks have not been kind on Sunday/Monday
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Momentum seemed to be going all one way for the Pack in the 3rd qtr.
they tied the game, the Pats got stage fright at the goal line,
RUN THE FUCKING BALL
and after a couple of punts-the Pack seemed to put together a go ahead drive.
They fumbled,
Josh goes deep into the play book
Pack cracks
Game over
a couplke of punts and then the Pack
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Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?
Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.
Needs the guy, after all.
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Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?
Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.
Needs the guy, after all.
He needs someone to throw to, and the guy knows how to catch.
What do yuo mean by patience?
Teaching, spending time with a new team mate into a new system?
Gordon (to me) has made a solid and growing contribution over the past few weeks.
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Turns out it wasnt patience. Play was for Edelman and TB just happened to see Gordon
But I was alluding to the slip and fall in the end zone.
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Thursday nighter week 10
Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)
O/U is 51.5
The pick is
Steelers and the over
31-24 final
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Thursday nighter week 10
Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)
O/U is 51.5
The pick is
Steelers and the over
31-24 final
Is Brown playing tonight?!
I'll pick the Panthers against the spread. And the under. 27-24, Steelers.
Demonstrating, again, my acumen for football progonstication!
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The Dez Era as a Saint may be over before it starts.
Rumored torn Achilles tendon at practice today.
If confirmed by MRI, there'll be no marchin' in for Dez for about 8 months.
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Today's odds
Ny Jets -7.5 vs Bills 37
Falcons -4 @ Browns 51
Saints -4.5 @ Bengals 54
Buccaneers -2.5 vs Redskins 51.5
Patriots -7 @ Titans 46.5
Packers -9 vs Dolphins 47.5
Colts -3 vs Jaguars 47
Bears -6.5 vs Lions 45
Chiefs -16.5 vs Cardinals 50
Chargers -9.5 @ Oakland 50.5
Rams -10 vs Seahawks 51.5
Eagles -6 vs Cowboys 43.5
49ers -3 vs Giants 43.5
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Today's odds
Ny Jets -7.5 vs Bills 37 Jets 24-14
Falcons -4 @ Browns 51 Falcons 31-24
Saints -4.5 @ Bengals 54 Saints 30-27 (Bengals cover)
Buccaneers -2.5 vs Redskins 51.5 Skins 24-21
Patriots -7 @ Titans 46.5 Patriots 27-17
Packers -9 vs Dolphins 47.5 Packers 30-17
Colts -3 vs Jaguars 47 Colts 27-21
Bears -6.5 vs Lions 45 Bears 23-20 (Lions cover)
Chiefs -16.5 vs Cardinals 50 Chiefs 40-17
Chargers -9.5 @ Oakland 50.5 Chargers 27-19
Rams -10 vs Seahawks 51.5 Rams 31-23 (SEA covers)
Eagles -6 vs Cowboys 43.5 Eagles 29-17
49ers -3 vs Giants 43.5 Niners 24-20
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First visit to FAN DUEL Sports Betting the other night
Reinforced that I need to stay away - heh
Won my Steelers bets but gave it all back on silly stuff.
(Should have bets - TD by Smith Schuster was a +550 and by Steelers D/ST a pretty good number as well.
Celts and Rockets let me down - 2 cold teams on the road - brilliant)
Nice place though
If I go with just a hundy and 20 bucks for a few beers I will be fine.
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No idea what's up with the rest of your games, Kiid, but it looks like your Falcons and Patriots predictions are at least partially off.
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Titans thoroughly whipped the Pats from kick-off top final whistle
They haven't had their ass kicked like that in a long time.
F'ugly.
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Whew what a week
Somehow got out of that at 9-3, 4-7-1
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I think that without even a moderately healthy Gronkowski, the Pats have little chance this season.
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I think that's true.
But with or w/o Gronk they haven't looked or really played like a SB-contending team so far.
Today they were terrible and a party-bus full of healthy Gronks may not have made a difference.
The bye week is coming at a good time.
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How bad are the Jets
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We will find out as soon as a real coach comes in
But usually a rookie qb and no stud offensive skill players doesn't portend greatness
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw)
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Those SC quarterbacks are known for their skills once they reach the NFL 😄
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Shady can still play when it gets blocked
McCown should be ashamed. Just wasn't ready.
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How bad are the Jets
You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.
Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Shady can still play when it gets blocked
McCown should be ashamed. Just wasn't ready.
Alternatively, he remains McCown.
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Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
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Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
More, nip Niners.
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NFL bails out on Mexico City
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html)
LOS ANGELES — The NFL moved the Rams’ Monday night showdown with the Kansas City Chiefs from Mexico City to Los Angeles on Tuesday due to the poor condition of the field at Azteca Stadium.
The league announced the extraordinary decision six days before one of the most-anticipated regular-season games of the year.
In a news release, the league said it determined that the recently re-sodded field at Mexico City’s historic stadium ‘‘does not meet NFL standards for playability and consistency, and will not meet those standards by next Monday.’’
I remember the good old days when Mexican grass was the gold standard of grass, but I'm not sure it was ever a good idea to play football on Mexican grass. Maybe ultimate frisbee, but certainly not football.
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Thursday nighter
Seattle -2.5 vs Green Bay O/U 49
Pick is Pack and the over
27-24 Green Bay
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NFL line for Sunday
(home team has name of state/city)
11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5
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2 real bets tomorrow
Parlay - Giants-Bucs over 52.5 with Eagles-Saints over 56
Parlay moneyline wins - Steelers, Falcons, Saints
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NFL line for Sunday
(home team has name of state/city)
11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51 27-21 Panthers
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48 27-19 ATL
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off 24-21 Bengals
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48 27-24 Colts
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5 22-19 Skins
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52 30 -27 Giants
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5 27-17 Steelers
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5 28-17 Chargers
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5 20-14 AZ
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55 38-27 Saints
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5 23-21 Bears
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5 34-31 Chiefs
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Quit spamming the Board.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
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Browns considering Condi Rice for HC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)
Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.
The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.
I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
Rumor has it she wants Cheney as OC and Rumsfeld as DC. and Dubya to run very special teams.
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Heh
This day is not to be believed
Good job Pitt and NY
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Somehow got out 5-6-1 vs the number.
But just 5 of 12 game winners.
Wow.
Fun day. In all, including Thursday, 10 of 12 decided by 5 points or less.
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Quit spamming the Board.
Public service
But my bad. Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise
Heh
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Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u
Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.
Cmon YG. Play along next week. Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.
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Tell ya what .... Friendly wagering.
Weeks 12-17
3 of us. Winner gets t-shirt and hat of choice from the 2 losers (1 each)
Lets do this.
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I don't gamble. Sorry.
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Quit spamming the Board.
Public service
But my bad. Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise
Heh
Guy like [ME]!!!!
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Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u
Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.
Cmon YG. Play along next week. Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.
kid are you still still upset years after I called you out for past-posting your picks?
You should get over it.
You were caught cheating.
And then acted childish about it.
And you still are.
kid likes to play by his own rules and touting only his "wins".
But as most understand he still loses.
SSDD
And as kid knows, I've always given an honest count to everyone in the contests I've administered.
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kid just scroll on past this.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay)
Browns out on Condi.
her 15 minutes are up.
The Browns released a statement Sunday denying rumors that the team wants to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for the head coaching position.
"Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a great leader, possesses the highest possible character and also happens to be a Browns fan," general manager John Dorsey said in a statement. "I have the utmost respect and admiration for all she's accomplished and was honored to meet her earlier this season.
"Our coaching search will be thorough and deliberate, but we are still in the process of composing the list of candidates and Secretary Rice has not been discussed.
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I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
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I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
It seemed far-fetched, but someone sent up smoke signals.
speaking of which, I heard that in the event Tito retires, the Cleveland Indians have serious interest in Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
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Having Cam Erving try to block Aaron Donald is a great way to get your quarterback killed.
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Good lord.
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you praying for divine intervention?
crazy game.
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Holy shit Rams adopt Andy Reid level stupid clock management.
Even Andy thinks so.
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that game was nuts
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I am exhausted.
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week 12 line Turkey Day
Bears -4 @ Detroit 45
Dallas -7.5 vs Redskins 40.5
New Orleans -13 vs Falcons 60
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Taking the home teams. Only OVER is Dallas/Skins
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That Boys/Birds line looks suspiciously high.
I like the ATL, but Vegas is telling you that’s the wrong side.
Love the Bears.
Safe and happy thanksgiving to all!!
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Well.....some news
Trubisky is a little iffy ....that line is down to 3 or 3.5 now.
And I am sure you heard Skins are minus their qb. That line started at 9.
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That's what the NFL has to offer. Tackling is no longer allowed.
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That’s all you got??
It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.
The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.
It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??
Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.
TURN. THE. TELEVISION. OFF.
You just got SMOKED.
TURKEY.
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You may want to go back for sweet potato...
BECAUSE YOU’VE
BEEN
SERVED
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That’s all you got??
It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.
The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.
It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??
Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.
TURN. THE. TELEVISION. OFF.
You just got SMOKED.
TURKEY.
Don't drink and post. Johnny Walker ain't your friend.
Nor is Wild Turkey, Gamecocksucker.
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I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.
If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.
If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.
This is a FORUM of MEN.
If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.
Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
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I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.
If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.
If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.
This is a FORUM of MEN.
If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.
Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
Have another pickleback, dope.
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
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Bengals pick not looking too good. In related news, I picked the right week to start Baker Mayfield in fantasy.
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Kearse drops the cover TD
Some of these pros really suck balls
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Heh.
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
Not a great day, so far.
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BUTLER!
heh
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Top picks today
Steelers -3 at Denver
Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks
Baltimore -11 home to Raiders
The rest
Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6
Not a great day, so far.
Very bad
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terrible throw by Bennie
that was a pretty good game
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Only solace is possibly getting to 7-5 in fantasy with any type decent game from Cousins.
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had my best week in what has been a tough year
10-3 ATS going into tonight.
Vikes -3
with a little luck I will achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
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Thursday line
Saints -7 @ DALLAS o/u 53
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I think Dallas can move the ball on Saints.......
With the 7........
Hmmm.......
Tough one.
Gonna stay with the hot NO squad.
34-24.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.
This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
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I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.
Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM
Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.
don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)
when the # was 0-for-35.
That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.
This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
the 0-for-37 stat seems almost impossible for a QB as talented as Rodgers, but the sample size is pretty big.
Brees had his shot at it tonight, and I was pretty certain he was going to pull off the CFBW, but...
was one of two who had Big D in my ATS pool
good start to the week
.500 is getting closer
heh
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Sunday picks
Steelers -3.5 over 51.5
Colts -4 over 47.5
Panthers -3.5 over 56.5
Ravens -1.5 under 49
Houston -6 under 47.5
Bills +5.5 (MIA wins) under 40
Giants +4.5 (CHI wins) over 45
Broncos -4 under 42.5
Rams -10 over 54.5
Packers -14 under 44.5
Chiefs -15 under 55.5
Jets +9.5 (TEN wins) over 40.5
New England -6 over 48.5
Niners +10 (SEA wins) over 46
Eagles -6.5 under 44.5
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Kirk Cousins says, "Not so fast" after Zimmer correctly challenges From I spot and Pats simply don't get half a yard.
Good coaching.
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Chance to be 10-3 vs spread, though San Fran not looking great right now
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Wow - can't make this Jets shit up
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Freakin ridiculous non call on Chargers TD
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Pittsburgh totally outcoached second straight week
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Can we even finish 9-6-1 now? And if we do is it enough to win division?
Another zebra getting fired. But conversation needs to start on Tomlin.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
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I am sad for Colt McCoy.
One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Well, sure.
I mean, so what if Kaepernick has thrown a touchdown more recently than Sanchez. Okay, 16 of them.
And yeah, Sanchez has more interceptions in his last 9 games (partial and otherwise) than Kaepernick in his last 11.
But just because you could add Sanchez's last 3 years of QBR and they would not add up to Kaepernick's last one is no reason to hold things against him!
After all, "2/4 After losing their top two quarterbacks to injury, the Redskins are in the market for another signal caller. The Redskins will once again audition E.J. Manuel, T.J. Yates, Josh Johnson, and others," according to NFL Rumors.
Round up the usual suspects!
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Not worth the circus.
Who complaied when Bonds wasn't signed?
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21-13 Tennessee
Jags getting 4.5. Over under is 37.5
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OBJ out vs Skins
Too bad. But Shepherd will come up big.
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The LINE
NFL Lines For Week 14
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
(home team has state/city name used)
12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45
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12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5 Titans 21-13
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53 Chiefs 34-24
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49 HOU 30-24
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47 CLE 23-21
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5 Green Bay 28-20
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57 Saints 35-28
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5 Bills 21-16
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47 Pats 31-20
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5 Skins 24-20
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5 Broncos 24-17
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5 Chargers 27-17
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5 Cards 20-17
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43 Cowboys 24-17
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5 Steelers 31-16
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42 Bears 24-21
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45 Seahawks 26-23
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Dann
Didn't play Giants D in fantasy
Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
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Eli playing well
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Barkley!!!
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Dann
Didn't play Giants D in fantasy
Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
F'ing Panthers game too.
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Once again: Mark Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
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CK would be getting his ass kicked today just the same.
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Giants D getting about 30 fantasy points today. Hope it doesn't cost me.
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f'ing Stanford Band play
F'ugly loss
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Wait, what. The. Hell?
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Dolphins with best win of the year!!!
Ravens got Mahomed.
Voodoo Saquonomics in DC.
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The Patriots have to be the only New Englanders who don't enjoy a trip to Miami in December
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Nobody in the AFC is any fuc king good
Should be Pats again in SB
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Agreed. I think Chargers are biggest threat but need Gordon.
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New video of Miami miracle: https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html)
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looking forward to Chargers @ Chiefs tonight, but this game should really be played Sunday afternoon at 4:25pm
in 1967
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I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
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and don't forget Fred Arbanas!
And Lance Alworth is always all but unstoppable!
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Hadl v Dawson
Little vs Little Train
Otis T vs Lance.
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Exactly.
just took a look and was surprised to see Hadl is not a HoF QB.
He was one of the early AFL bombers that made the new league fun to watch
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I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
Is Fred "The Hammer" Williamson playing? Or is he still broken?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8)
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Thursday line
KC -3.5 vs Chargers
O\u is 53
The pick is 34-28 Chiefs
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Hadl had himself a helluva night.
Great CFBRW by the Chargers
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Saturday lines
Texans -6 @ NY Jets 41.5
Denver -8.5 vs Browns 46.5
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Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick
Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2?
No. He's an idiot. No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum
Was lucky. Team going nowhere.
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Saturday lines
Texans -6 @ NY Jets 41.5
Denver -8.5 vs Browns 46.5
Texans 21 Jets 13
Broncos 24 Browns 21
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
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Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick
Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2?
No. He's an idiot. No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum
Was lucky. Team going nowhere.
I think some luck goes a long way.
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Fucking Texans....
There went the under...
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Heh
Somehow I get 2/3 of it.
Go Browns D.
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C'mon Mayfield
Still making occasional dumbass mistake.
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Maybe you figure out another way to increase your income.
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
I know. Funny I got 8.5. Made it easy.
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Oy -
1-2 winners
2-1 vs spread
2-1 o/u
Broncs coach the stinkin genius
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Kid
I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2
line opened -4 yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3
now at -1 1/2
I know. Funny I got 8.5. Made it easy.
I had the Browns and +3.
It was easier than finding an impossible line
and not knowing it was an impossible line
yankguy was right, you should listen to him.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
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"I had the Browns +3"
So did Vance Joseph.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
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Picks
Giants -2.5 over 43.5
Jags -7 over 36
Cardinals +9 over 44
49ers +5.5 under 44
Vikes -7 under 43
Raiders +3 under 46.5
Eagles +9 over 41
Saints -6.5 over 52
Bills -2.5 under 44.5
Cowboys +2 over 41.5
Bears -5.5 under 45
Steelers +1 under 52
Bucs +8 over 46.5
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public
that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.
your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.
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WTF are u talking about? I used the line I was given.
That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,
Ho-ho-heh
Everyone in the contest had the same line. Won with the +4 anyway. Just didn't have the game winner.
that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public
that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.
your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.
In the pool. Yep. Must have been a misprint
Nice win with the +3. Browns playing good ball for Robinson. And Mayfield appears to have been an ok pick.
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Robinson?
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need a terrible towel or one more flag to wipe up that Nantzgasm
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Yeah, baby!!!!
NE went away from White. No idea why.
Stephen A has his monologue (Tomlin)
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they went away from White 2 weeks ago when Burkhead came back
ther offense was brutal today
can't remember so many pre-snap penalties or holding calls
it killed any potential momentum
tack on a few dropped passes...
Pats pretty much sucked today
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The last drive. He was in. All set. But Tommy went to his white (non White) boys.
Heh.
Fuck Burkhead.
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How 'bout dem Colts!
Ha!
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How bout them Steelers?
May be different in Foxboro, I know.
Still beats being just a game ahead of the Brownies, as the danger was.
Heh. Love that (hate that) Tomlin.
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That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
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That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
2 very nice skill players....
And I like .....Robinson.....ahem.....Williams.
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Semifinal lineup in fantasy:
(Thanks, McCaffrey and Saints D for at least showing up - heh)
Qb - 11
Rb 1 - 19
Rb 2- 3
Wr1 - 0
Wr2 - 2
Te - 3
W/R/T - 1
K - 0
D - 12
Loss - 46 points
But battle for third does look for week 16.
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Well, that was.... somewheres between "expected" and "inevitable".
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.
Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
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The other shoe dropped:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&cf=1
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yup.
sad.
I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.
Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
Assuming they win the AFC East, (hoe against the Bills and Jets) they have two weeks+ to tinker and find a fix. I imagine we'll see more of James White, and Hogan and Dorsett might get dusted off. Bigger picture, while the road to the SB looks open to lots of teams, I don't expect the pats to get very far down the road. They haven't been very good this year and for lots of reasons.
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NFL odds week 16
Tennessee -10 Redskins 37 no pick
LA Chargers -4.5 Ravens 44.5 no pick
Dallas -7 Buccaneers 46.5 27-17
New England -12.5 Bills 45 31-17
Carolina -4 Falcons 50 24-27
Miami -4.5 Jaguars 39 23-13
Indy -9 Giants 46.5 21-23
Philly -1 Texans 45.5 23-26
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Vikings -5.5 Detroit 43.5 27-20
NY Jets -1 Packers 44 17-20
Cleveland -7 Bengals 45.5 27-17
Rams -14 Arizona 47.5 24-17
Bears -4 San Francisco 42.5 28-17
New Orleans -6 Steelers 57 31-34
Chiefs -2.5 Seattle 53.5 27-30
Broncos -2.5 Oakland 45 23-20
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The other shoe dropped:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&cf=1
Agree.
Pats(STEELERS) out of SB.
FIXED
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Barkley!!!
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lots of back doors covers today
musta been a sale down at the Sears
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refs screwed the Steelers with that gift PI call for Brees
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Eagles-Skins game on Sunday now has meaning, and they're calling Foles..St. Nick, of course! Pats fans should be happy that St. Nick brought the team down to score, because the Texans losing keeps Pats alive for a first round bye.
But Foles's QBing meant more:
Indy and Tennessee play in Week 17. If Houston loses at home to the Jaguars, the winner of Colts-Titans would claim the AFC North. Even if Houston wins, a Ravens loss to the Browns would get the winner in. And even if the Ravens win, a Steelers loss to the Saints [gives] Baltimore the AFC North title and allow the winner of Colts-Titans in as a wild card.
Source:cbssports.com
Next Sunday, I think they start all those games at the same time.
Ho, Ho, Friggin' Ho!!!
St. Nick, indeed.
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8-4-1
Tough losses -
Texans, Pats, Cowboys (push)
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Got a shot at win 10 tonight and inching closer to .a 500 season.
I aspire to a 3rd place pool finish and the record of a fairly flipped coin!
heh
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Trainer/Nutritionist Danny O’Shaunnesy is under internal investigation status at CLEM. He was close with and regularly had lunch with the three players in question...
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Winners vs spread today
Giants -6
Patriots -13.5
New Orleans -7.5
Green Bay -8
Jags +7
Falcons -1
Bills -3.5
Baltimore -6
KC -13.5
Eagles -6.5
Steelers -14.5
Bears +5
Chargers -6.5
Cardinals +13.5
Rams -10
Colts -3
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
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Pats and Ravens were my best bets
Looking at 2-5 early....ouch.
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Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
Heh
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Barkley!!!
Nice day for Eli as well.
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Shame. Eli put the ball right where it needed to be on 4th.
Play calling was severely lacking. Just needed 15 yards and had over a minute.
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Fake punt on 4th and 5 last week, with a lead
And now 4th and 1 at opponents 43 and Tomlin punts
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3 of my picks I really didn't feel great about
Giants Cardinals Chargers
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Shurmer must go. When you lose that many games late, It's the coach.
Ravens caught a big break with the Jackson fumble that Peppers picked up. He was heading for 6 the other way when whistle blower stopped the play.
50 years since Jets beat the Colts in SB3.
Suffer some more, Jets fans.
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Whatever compromising photos Marvin Lewis had of Mike Brown are about to be published.
Rumors we will be replaced be Lose Jackson are probably just wishful thinking on my part.
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Re: Browns
Nice effort. Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.
Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.
Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
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Re: Browns
Nice effort. Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.
Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.
Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
"Ravens"
but your point about the Browns play-calling stands.
plenty of time for a screen-pass or even try to run the ball
that game had last second FG all but stamped on it.
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Lots of NFL jobs open!
I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!
But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
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Lots of NFL jobs open!
I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!
But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
Finished below the Browns.
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The Browns have a mothereffer at qb an after going 0-16 or whatever in draft, that, I “you like that”
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Boston source: Patriots get to skip playoffs and enter Super Bowl.
https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html)
Keep those balls inflated, gentlemen.
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AFC is wide open, but don't love Pats chances this year, too many vulnerabilities.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
to me of the 6 AFC teams Texans is the least atrractive (straight win)
IMO Chiefs-Pats-Ravens are all about the same, then Chargers
Don't see a clear favorite
wouldn't be shocked w/a Saints-Bears NFC championship game
Brees at home would be the pick
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Heh
Sure thing. Chiefs, Ravens even.
Got it.
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I like teams that play defense.
Ravens probably have the best defense in the AFC.
KC the worst among the 6 AFC post-season teams.
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
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26-19 HOU
23-20 SEA
Tomorrow its Chargers and Bears vs spread in case I don't get back
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Ok here we go....
300 bucks to start
NFL playoffs only
Play along if you like. Odds are here:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)
First bet
HOU to win AFC $20 at 10-1
Second bet
Bears to win Super Bowl $30 at 8-1
3rd bet
$20 money line parlay Seahawks, Chargers.
Takes me down to $230.
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
didn't take long for the Texans to turtle.
shoulda stuck with my first impression
I should get my glasses checked.
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Romeo with the well thought out game plan.
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I think 20 just saved the game. Texans injuries pile up.
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Uh huh.
Texans
Bears
.....unless its Pats-Saints.
14-1 on HOU to get there.
Um..I know games have two halves, but, how's that Houston thing looking right now?
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looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.
first up
indy @ Houston
I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.
Houston by 3
24-21
Well...there two halves...
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Looks like Pats get Chargers.
Not what they wanted.
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Ravens lose already?
I assume BB might have been rooting for the Texans.
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Well....got the UNDER
Correction on Seahawks
24-21, thus putting it OVER the 43.
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"Should have gone to the backup QB"
- Yes
- No
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
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Really, Garrett? 58 yards?
Idiot.
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HOU actually had every chance at 24-21. Sad offensive display.
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I guess so, but being in a 0-21 hole sort of works against most reasonable chances of getting to 24-21..
Colts basically kicked their ass.
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Ha! Knew that flag was coming. Great working of refs by Garrett.
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I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
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For tomorrow..
Chargers 23-20
Bears 23-16
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
Almost had it perfect
But I get the cover.
You had money line and the over at least.
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I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
I don't have any cash on these games.
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1st game I'm sticking with 24-20
Poe's Crows 24
Sons of Lance Alworth 20
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Money already moving in on KC vs Indy. Up to 5.5.
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Over/under on early game has moved to 43. I have it right on that number but it was 41.5 when I made the pick.
Had both O/U yesterday plus the SEA cover.
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lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double
Dallas 24
Seattle 20
Almost had it perfect
But I get the cover.
You had money line and the over at least.
Yahoo pick'em had the game as Dallas + 1 1/2
go figure
so got all 3 elements.
didn't bet it though
still in 5th place of 20 ATS players
got a shot at 3rd
and still holding out hope (small) for a breakeven year on full slate
but am running out of games
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Ravens can't seem to keep their claws on the ball
Yahoo lines this round
Favored Ind Sea Bal Chi
Spread 1.5 1.5 2.5 5.5
Underdog Hou Dal LAC Phi
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Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
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Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
I thought he played with John Hadl.
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Lamar no-showed.
Flacco time?
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a lot going on with that TD
so it seems it will be Pats-Chargers
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San Diego Super Chargers
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game got interesting
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Pats opened at -4 1/2
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sticking with 24-20
wit da Bears winning
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Wow.
Quite the ending - and a crusher for the Bears.
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double doinker nut punch loss
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Shame.
Nice job, Trubisky.
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I have that book.
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Forecast for Foxborough in 1/13: high of 31'F, feels like 22'F. Winds 12 mph gusts to 18 mph.
But will it slow down the Chargers' Pass Rush on Brady?
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Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser
Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2
Takes me down to 180.
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$80 on Patriots money line (whatever the line is when game starts)
They certainly are NOT to be grouped in any manner with the Baltimore Ravens.
Down to 100.
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Pats -200 right now
forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro,
cold but dry
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Brownies, Baker, Kitchens... IT JUST MAKES SENSE!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiMjcKbr-HfAhWMna0KHYzUBGcQzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F0ap3000001009178%2Farticle%2Fbrowns-promote-freddie-kitchens-to-head-coach&psig=AOvVaw3HD28bm82MoRW8CpbTc871&ust=1547146294201341
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Pats -200 right now
forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro,
cold but dry
Shortest price of the 4 games.
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Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser
Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2
Takes me down to 180.
I always thought teasers were usually an expensive way to buy points
but at times you might find 2, 3 teams to finagle
good luck
leaning dogs (Colts +5 1/2, Boys +7) ) today
need to go 5-2 (remaining games) to reach .500+ ATS for season
been chasing that bogey after a brutal start.
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31-28. Chiefs. Colts cover and over the total
27-21. Rams. Cowboys cover and the under
No money. These are contest picks.
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I guess the good news is the Colts offense should be well-rested and ready to go in the 2nd half.
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Anyone else think Cowboys got a horrible spot on the play prior to Elliott being stufffed on 4th and 1?
They show the replay three times, clear as day that the catch is at the red line marker (no guarantee it is same as sticks, I realize). But analysts say nothing.
Zebras then miss holding call on the last TD.
In Colts game you get the phantom running into the kicker. I didnt see it - maybe he had no place to land? Radio guys seemed to think no contact. Did they explain it on the TV feed?
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I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
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Anyway......laying an egg thus far in playoffs
Composite yesterday was 2-4 (2 for winners, 0-4 for spread and O/U). Overall is 9-9. 58% is what is considered solid.
Need a 5-1 today (win, spread, O/U for each game)
Need a Patriots win to get the payroll to $220 from initial 300. Chiefs late TD and the Colts WR drop late killed my parlay.
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Didn't see it, I was channel surfing at that point, watching the Celts piss away another winnable game.
But i did see Colts/Luck dawdle at the line with one more chance to put up 7
my buddy who had them in a 3-team tease was pissed
spilled milk
0-2 yesteday
margin of error to beat a fairly flipped coin =0
need to run the table to end up over .500 ATS for the year
probability: slim/none
yet it confirms my long held belief that the only way to beat the house is extreme selectivity.
of 20 ATS players in my pool only 2 are over .500 (and the 52.4% breakeven)
talk that Gronk may call it a career when Pats wrap it up.
he looks broken
he's a great player and so much fun to watch
if today (whatever) is his last, I hope he has a monster game
I think its a FG game, don't like that extra point, but I'm not betting against Pats
i think its going to be a low-scoring battle 23-(17-20)
heart over head
GO PATS
As of now I think NO wins but Philly covers
plenty of time to 2nd guess myself
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Just realized I didnt post today's actual scores
24-21 Pats (under and Chargers cover)
34-24 Saints (over and Saints cover)
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I have the spreads as
-4.5/47.5 in Pats game
-8.5/51 for Saints
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Pats going back to White, as I said they should
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Jules is a baller
shaping up as the anticipated DEEEFENSIVE struggle
49-48
heh
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Pats O-line w/Gronk destroying Chargers
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I think I could be perfect this week
0 and EIGHT.
Heh
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that was an ass kicking.
over in the 1st half
KC opens as 3 pt favorite next week
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Saints open at -3 1/2
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0-2 yesterday
2-0 today
the dream of .500 remains alive!
125-127 .496
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I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
it was crazy but then what Collins was doing was illegal as one can not hold up a player on your team and attempt to move him so that might have been called or mot
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
Maybe it was skill and knowledge. Losers blame bad luck.
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End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser Luck screwed me
You'll get 'em next time.
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Should have just gone 4 team moneyline parlay. Had it cold. :)
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I have every confidence you'll get 'em next time
you should probably down down
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Its just a model.
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of your own making?
can you provide the model, or list what variables the model requires?
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Money coming in heavy on Chiefs......
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I haven't seen the line move off KC -3, and money line is about the same kc -145 to -155
but o/u has come down (58-54 1/2) I'm assuming it reflects weather report of arctic conditions
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KC big in this game.....
Having a tough time with the NFC pick.
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Gladys Knight to perform the national anthem. I hopee she will arrive via Amtrak, preferably on one of their late departures.
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Any Pips? I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
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KC and NO
Moneyline and spread..
Likely will just play Moneyline parlay for 100
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Any Pips? I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
Pipless, I believe.
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No Pips?
Damn, The Pips doing ther dance moves to the National anthem would be must see TV.
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What's the over/under in a Pat's cheating scandal coming out before pitchers and catchers report for ST?
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.
But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
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troll
you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.
It might also help with your silly obssessions.
all the best with conquering your demons
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Chiefs -3 now -120 most places
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probably bettors feeling better about the (milder) weather in KC?
i wonder if we'll see a move to 3 1/2.
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troll
you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.
It might also help with your silly obssessions.
all the best with conquering your demons
You GFY, instead of the neighbors' goat, douchebag.
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sad troll he never has anything of value to add
and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades
boo-hoo
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sad troll he never has anything of value to add
and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades
boo-hoo
Poor banks. He eagerly projects his inadequacies on others daily.
Sad.
But predictable.
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one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.
But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
That's DimBulbWard.
Please keep your antagonism straight!
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Liking like my pick will be 28-24 Chiefs.
Still working on Saints game. Despite their recent proclivity to play under the number I think that one is a shootout.
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I will go with 38-30 New Orleans for now
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Ok....
Bankroll is 220 from 300
Picks today
Parlay KC -3 with New Orleans -3. $40
New Orleans-LA over 57.....$44
May find something else
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Look for a bizarre and wrong call in the game that favors NE.
As predicted. Same shit, different game.
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went with LA +3 1/2 Pats +3 in my ATS contest
like the hook LA is getting and don't get many chances to get Pat points
got a couple of friendly wagers on the Pats at +3 and a slightly less friendly ML play at +150
going with Dog Day
ATTICA!
ATTICA!
NO 31
LA 28
Pats 27
KC 23
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Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
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Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
Time to just put Hekker in at QB?
(No, not exactly serious.)
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Cmon, ZEBRA!
Fuckin easy call.
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I fear Rams gonna regret not going for it.
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Next bet
Chiefs -2.5 first half 72 to win 60
64 left....... looking at prop plays
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Holy crap
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This is the worst I have ever seen
Good finish coming
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That was an amazingly bad non-call on the pass interference by the Rams.
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Last bet
$20 on a Gronk TD at 3-1
Balance - $44
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They still didnt change that first team TD rule?
Sad.
Not yet.
Not a factor this time.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
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Brr... 19* in KC right now, but wind chill makes it 6*.
OTOH, it won't get much, if any, cooler during the game and they have no snow on the field.
The Tube says feels like 5*.
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Normally I take the view that bad calls and missed calls happen. Your job is to overcome them, not bitch about them, and do. ot attach sig III ancestors to any one of them, no matter when in the game they happen. But man, that call sucked.
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Rams continue to have nice play-calling.
That early fake punt from around their own 30 was ballsy.
I thought Saints mostly outplayed the Rams, but ...
So Tom Brady v. a rook.
Gee, tough to call ...
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I was going for "do not attach significance" but Samsung had other ideas.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Jesus
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
I agree.
[/quoteJesus.
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brutal no PI call for Saints
refs kinda sucked in that game
I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
I agree.
[/quoteJesus.
Lets hope not.
holding, D and O, can be called on just about every play.
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excepting that fucking pick, the Pats played a beautiful 1st half.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
First half.
He was last time, too.
Second half may be different.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
that was the hope, but he looked bad in the first half they played earlier this year, annd had a pretty good 2nd half, and almost beat the pats.
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Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
First half.
He was last time, too.
Second half may be different.
Reid did him no favors.
SCREEN on 3rd and 9 is the call 95% of coaches make with the young QB
Could have gone in down 7-3.
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A SIRRIUS analyst said, I like the Chiefs but never diiscount that Reid could totally choke if he gets behind.
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I could not believe that play got called.
Can the Pats defense rise to the occasion?!
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So far, refs favoring Pats
As per usual.
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Sad that NO loses on zebra error. Worst hit to that town since Katrina!
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no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Brees got hit harder on the pick
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Roughing the passer bad call.
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And now bad call number two, and lose TO
WEAK NFL FIX.
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Phantom roughing the passer may have cost KC the game.
That's the way it goes sometimes.
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Van Noy tried to end Mahomes season
Punk.
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Wow, pick play no call.
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I would have to say the refereeing today for both games has been less than stellar.
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Wow, pick play no call.
agree.....
rough rough day for men in stripes
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Keep rushing 4, idiots
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KC defense took zero risks
Sick
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Stupid offside. Really really stupid.
Just about as stupid how do you not double Gronk on the outside on that play. About as fucking obvious as it gets, the guy upstairs saw it, I saw it. You sell your safety over there immediately. What the flying fuck? LOL.
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Set up for a Bears like miss
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Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.
Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.
Scam.
Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
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Kick it now.
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OT.
Alright!
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Free football - but KC aint winnin
I complete my 0-12 for the last 2 weeks.
Heh
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Refs force ot in both games.
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KC D had their shot. Played soft.
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They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!
But it's been almost four hours!
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Rush 5 - near sack
Next play rush 4
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Brady is a fucking machine.
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Again
FOUR
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And again
FOUR
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My last NFL game
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Horseshit rule.. No reason Chiefs dont get the ball. Said it every year.
But they deserve the loss
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Fix in. America knows. Refs gave this Game away.
Kc jobbed.
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ATTICA!
nice Dog day
heh
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Great game
that was a classic
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
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They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!
But it's been almost four hours!
This may be the game that gets that rule changed.
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Great game
that was a classic
Really was a pretty good game. Reffing gaffs notwithstanding.
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The GOAT strikes again!!!
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
thanks-It was a very good day
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
If he didn't get hurt or the injuries mount up. Like I said, Maybe, probably if he didn't get hurt.
He is amazing though.
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I could imagine a rematch of those two teams again next year.
Mahomes did a fine job.
Now the Pats have to finish the job.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816732-missed-call-spoils-rams-win-over-saints-further-destroys-nfls-credibility
NFL's credibility further destroyed by the missed call against the Rams.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
You've missed a lot of football, then.
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
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Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.
Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.
Scam.
Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Phantom offside? Helen Keller would have thrown a flag.
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https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489 (https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489)
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My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision
Thanks
Good picks.
The league, for many reasons, is a joke
Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
heh
A jab from the peanut gallery
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
You've missed a lot of football, then.
No, I've seen a lot of football and a lot of QBs, from Starr and Unitas to Staubach Elway Marino, Montana Favre Rodgers, etal and in my 60 years of watching and handicapping the game, if the goal is to win, then Brady is the guy I want under center. He is demonstrably the best ever.
YMMV
But in the years you've been whining and pissing your pants with your silly obssessions you've yet to put an articulate persusaive argument to the contray.
I would suggest as your head is so far up your ass, your vision is clouded.
SSDD
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America knows. Pat's cheat. Fix in. No one is that lucky and gets all those noncalls and calls on the road, in the playoffs.
Edelman touched the kick. That "offsides" never gets called in a game of this magnitude, pass interference on Gronk pushing off, not called, and countless more .
If Starr, Unitas, Namath, Montana got as many calls in their careers, and got to play in an era where you get a penalty for grazing the QBs chest with your hand, they'd have never list a game.
Fake championship.
NFL has become WWF.
SAD.
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heh
yup BB, Brady and Pats have been lucky for almost 20 years.
And when luck wasn't enough they've cheated.
That certainly explains a level of sustained excellence that has never been achieved in the NFL.
As you've proven you can't articulate anything more than sour grapes, incessant whining, and idiotic rationales, perhaps you should just put your head back up your ass.
And when it securely wedged in there, eat shit loser.
bon appetite.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Never saw Slingin' Sammy Baugh or Sid Luckman either. I just mentioned the guys I've seen play who I consider top echelon/ guys in the discussion.
From what I've read/seen/heard Graham's in the GOAT discussion.
But I don't think he's the GOAT.
It seems he usually ranked around top 5-10.
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Brady is a fucking machine.
he's the GOAT
he's amazing
He is amazing.
Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.
Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
I saw him play towards the end of his career.
No way he's GOAT.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
or the team that does not possess the ball initially in OT could play sufficient defense to win the game, if they force a stop/ yield only a FG.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I once watched the Lions lose on the OT kick off. Tackle the guy with the ball.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Well apparently they could be sure. ;-)
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
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Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.
Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.
Notoriously Fixed League.
I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.
Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.
They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.
They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.
I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
The rules maven on the show made the same "can't be sure" claim during the game and I was befuddled at the time.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/21/chiefs-mahomes-didnt-deserve-the-ball-he-deserved-a-better-defense/
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
I mean think about what you just said. To summarize it tilts to the second team. Well, that is because they got a shot. If you get the logic here.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816858-nfl-rumors-league-to-discuss-making-pass-interference-reviewable-at-length?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.
Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.
And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
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I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.
It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).
But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.
It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.
It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.
But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.
I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.
So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.
NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.
What have you gained?
Fairness?
But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.
The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.
1st = 0
2nd needs anything
1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.
1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.
That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)
(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)
It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.
If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.
But wait! There's more...
If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!
If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.
That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.
Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.
And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
The "no field goals" approach is discussed a fair amount. It has some clear advantages in this day of dominant offenses. In the past, it would have meant more multi-overtime playoffs, I suspect, and more ties in the regular season, not that I object to those as much as some seem to.
As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
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Fair or perfectly fair?
In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.
All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.
and keep drinking.
or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
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As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
Too gimmicky for me.
That'd be fine in your backyard, but for the pros ...?
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it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
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it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
Just a little harder catch phrase.
Name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock.
I can name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock in one coin flip.
This may not catch on.
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Fair or perfectly fair?
In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.
All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.
and keep drinking.
or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
I would prefer they just played the whole 15 minutes (lather, rinse, repeat as necessary), but apparently the TV executives NFL felt that the games would run too long risk of injury would be too high, which is why the TV folks NFL shortened the regular season OT to 10 minutes.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)
Lasergate?
...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Hammy was at the game
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
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I understand your position.
I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.
No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady (https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady)
The Patriots benefitted from a phantom roughing the passer call against Brady on 2nd and 7 on the New England 28-yard line.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights)
Hogan still hasn't made that "catch", btw, unless the ground is allowed to help secure the ball, when you wear a certain uniform.
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ---Friedrich Nietzsche
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
Since I could and did ignore him back then, did he credit crooked refs for the result of last year's Super Bowl?
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
He only thinks it is fixed for the Patriots.
And he only thinks that when they win.
IOW, his opinion is based solely on his trolling, as already noted by the lovely illustration.
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Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)
4 incomplete passes
a fumble recovered by the Pats overturned by a phantom D-holding call
a 25 yard really iffy DPI call
a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)
a 2 yd TD run
the Chiefs were gifted a TD
so spare me this BS that the Pats were the sole beneficiary of calls.
the better team won in KC.
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Wouldn't one have to watch the game to see all that?
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yup
I was just presenting a fact-based contra-take to the troll's cut and paste hot takz.
I don't think the troll watched the game.
As it seems his hot takz always seems the same, the Pats cheated, the game was fixed,
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I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
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I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
or doing a deep dive on Jamie Moyer's stats.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
I did, fool.
You did not.
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Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works. In other words, he never said it. Nice try, though. Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?
But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?
Exactly right. There is no 'fix'. It's just poor refereeing. People make mistakes and nodody is perfect.
But give the devil his due, that even though Nietzsche never said that I have to admit it's a snappy little ditty.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
He may have said, 'Sometimes people don't hear the snap count and get their quarterback destroyed.'
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Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)
...
a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)
...
I know I saw it.
Bill needs to control himself btw. That's probably gonna come out of his pay.
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One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that. Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Goodreads?! Good gods!
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
You can do the research yourself.
https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
(https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr)
The quote, "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed" is, at least on the Internet, often attributed to Nietzsche, e.g., goodreads, Simple Reminders, IHeartIntelligence, and all over Pinterest.
However, I cannot find any evidence for the attribution in Complete Works of Friedrich Nietzsche (Delphi Classics) or using Advanced Search on Google Books, with the search parameters, "Find results with all of the words" and "inauthor:Nietzsche" {search results}.
In addition, both QuoteFail and Wikiquotes question the attribution.
Nietzsche did write, "For the historical audit brings so much to light which is false and absurd, violent and inhuman, that the condition of pious illusion falls to pieces." 1
In the same essay he wrote, "... 'he who destroys illusions in himself and others is punished by the ultimate tyrant, Nature.'" 2
As far as I can tell, QuoteFail has it right: "This quote appears to have been created within the Tumblr-verse."
The funniest part about the page is this:
I'd be interested in knowing the source of this quote/idea as well. As Dakdeer suggests (I think), it is probably a fairly universal idea that has been espoused by a number of people. The most familiar is Jack Nicholson growling "You can't handle the truth!" – David Blomstrom Dec 10 '17 at 16:40
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Maybe, maybe not.
But as you can see Nietzsche never actually said that. At best it might be a loose interpreted extrapolation of some of his writings.
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Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
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boz
i recall shortly after Clemson disemboweled the Sons of Bear Bryant, in the Student-Athlete Football championship, I had a brief conversation with your buddy Deej. who initially insisted the game was closer than the blowout it was. (a 28 pt win), and he cherry picked some stats which were quickly and easily debunked and the debate was for all intents and purposes over. Clemson kicked their ass, no ifs and or buts, whether it was really a 21 point win or a 35 point win. There was Bear carcass all over Santa Clara.
Having said that I would argue that anyone watching the AFC championship OT game could successfully argue based on the voluminous game stats that the game was not as close as the scoreboard indicated.
Pats pitched a 14-0 shutout in the 1st half and it could have and should have been worse.
The 2nd half was closer and was marred by some calls/non-calls, and a fucking gift TD that briefly gave a led to the Chiefs, but justice prevailed and the better team won.
And the game stats, clearly showed that domination.
Below is a link to the game stats, they're worth a look.
they pretty much spell out how dominant the pats were, but also the expensive cost of turnovers.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850)
Troll's sad story is always the same, the Pats cheated/the game was fixed.
he appears to be the only one who can't handle the truth.
SSDD
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Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
I've often wondered why you seemed to disdain anyone else that mentioned Nietzsche. Your above post is most enlightening. And being most learned as you are in everything Friedrich the following should be relevant to your post.
The advantages of psychological observation. That meditating on things human, all too human (or, as the learned phrase goes, “psychological observation”) is one of the means by which man can ease life’s burden; that by exercising this art, one can secure presence of mind in difficult situations and entertainment amid boring surroundings; indeed, that from the thorniest and unhappiest phases of one’s own life one can pluck maxims and feel a bit better thereby.
;-)
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years.
And yes, Utley, "maligned" is exactly the right term: "spoken about in a spitefully critical manner"
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.
We are growing!
Welcome to Yank and you!
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Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.
We are growing!
Welcome to Yank and you!
I really don't care but we're not so much a cartel as a social club.
as long as yank and cap pass the initiation process, post the bond, pay the annual dues and buy the 1st round, welcome to the cartel.
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Smart kid proves what the Boston Cartel continues to deny.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html)
Winning!!!
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thats some compelling scientific evidence.
his mom and sis can't throw a football.
Although to be fair to the young lad, the Bible passes for a science text book in Kentucky.
heh
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You know, I saw that article this morning and I thought, how long before ham trolls with it. All I can say is, what took him so long? He is slipping.
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Nietzsche has told him to slow down. "Measure twice, cut once," I believe is how Freddie put it.
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I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.
SSDD.
... Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years. ...
LOL.
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From Seth Wickersham's ESPN article on the Browns
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide)
boz take a ganer, and as the Browns have seemingly turned a corner, maybe not as painful, plus its pretty funny.
. The Browns now were breaking the rules and losing, leading to even more public mocking. The outside anger was felt inside the building. Marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media, so they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp -- for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.
20 minutes of of Omar Viz and Roberto Alomar turning two?
#DP
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#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2
6-4 ATS in the post-season
sitting at exactly .500 for season.
the coin-flip analogy proves itself.
legalized gambling-be careful out there
GO PATS
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I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
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#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2
6-4 ATS in the post-season
sitting at exactly .500 for season.
the coin-flip analogy proves itself.
legalized gambling-be careful out there
GO PATS
The folks who got to take the Pats at the original numbers, when they were not favorites to win, have to be pretty happy, as pre-game happiness goes.
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I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
thats the way I'm handicapping the game.
I may be taking the Rams a little too lightly (hope the Pats aren't) but barring new info or one more strong cup of coffee, I'm thinking 34-23 Pats.
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I could be wrong. The Pats may win by more than ten.
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
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The fix is in!!!!
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that wasn't what I was expecting.
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The fix is in!!!!
Poor Utley/Ham.
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that wasn't what I was expecting.
Really?!
Huh.
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#6 for the Patriots and for Brady!
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this doesn't get old
sadly I do
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
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Adam Levine was the clear MVP tonight.
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Congratulations, New Englanders.
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thanks kid
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Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!
https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true
Sad.
On to baseball. At last!
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Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!
https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true
Sad.
On to baseball. At last!
So predictable.
Congratulations, Utley, on not claiming the fix was in. Must have been tough to resist, but the Rams made it hard to claim they would have won without the refs' interference!
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The St. Louis Dispatch cares passionately about the Super Bowl:
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/
Well... okay, not much.
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McVay says he was outcoached.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
The Saints should have been there.
The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
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"The Greatest No Show on Turf"
A line a read in comments somewhere.
Really liked it.
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A Complete Disaster of a Super Bowl:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html)
The Suffer Bowl.
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heh
the troll is a urinal half-filled type troll.
the other half dribbled down his leg.
sounds like he had the Rams, the over, a couple of shitty boxes, and some day-old guacamole.
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Vegas survives.......barely
Gets hit hard on prop bets of Edelman MVP and zero touchdowns first half. But wins on props overall.
Had no td been scored all game that would have been quite bad.
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Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1. Someone bet 250 on it
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Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
Anyone with a brain could understand the point I was making. No wait, sorry, I forgot your handicap.
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Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1. Someone bet 250 on it
I imagine he was paying close attention to that wide-left FG attempt at the buzzer
read the mysterious Bettor X gave back a big chunk of last years winnings with ML wagers on the Rams
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
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McVay says he was outcoached.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
Give Belichick two weeks to prepare and you will have a tough row to hoe playing him.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
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Such a nothing bowl. Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win. Is everyone bored?
Saints should've been here.
The Saints should have been there.
The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
One thing is for sure the folks calling for the game to be played the following day have never played the game of football. I remember not hardly being able to walk, let alone play, a game the next day.
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
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Only in the points allowed department did I think the Rams defense was "all that". They gave up a lot of yards and frequently had a tough time getting off the field.
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They did enough to keep Brady etal out of the red-zone for 3 qtrs and settle for FG 3 times (one miss) .
IMO there was a lot of good defense played and coached last night.
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Pats punt-team also played an awesome game. Allen's spin and Slater's coverage pinned the Rams and gave then continual tough field position in a field position type game.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
thanks for the congrats, boz, sorry you weren't entertained, I didn't think it was either dull or crappy.
IMO it was a tense 1-score low-scoring defensive dominated game going into the 4th quarter, and in some respects was evocative of SB42.
YMMV
and if you're in the neighborhood around 6pm tonight I'm buying.
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America thought it was dull and crappy. Lowest tv ratings in a decade.
Pats not good for national ratings.
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America wanted to watch a pinball game
instead they got a defensive football game dominated by line play.
btw whether you thought the O-lines or D-lines dominated, the best line of the night was by Peyton Manning in the opening
"I don't get my mail at the SuperBowl, like Tom Brady..."
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
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According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.
Nice "win".
Heh
I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
I suspect ham's objective observers are like Trump's anonymous validators: hypothetical and entirely notional.
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I spoke to a guy in California. He said it was boring.
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I liked the N.O. newspaper's take:
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/00/27/50/16874010/3/920x920.jpg)
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
He got it right.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Exactly!
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Defense was great? More like QBs played like crap. And why why did Edelman get MVP? Because it was time to give it to a Jew?
Weakest SB ever.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
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How is a 1-score defensive war "unwatchable"?
Maybe it is for fools and pink-hats who need a 49-48 game to go with the chardonay, chicken wings, and 7-layer dip and aren't really invested in the game.
Pats spoiled America with a string of very exciting high scoring SuperBowls over the years.
Yesterday's game was less star wars and more trench wars.
And for those who liked a game with more D, less flags and a let them play physical game, it was very watchable.
And as posted earlier there was a similiarity to SB42, a game which was 7-3 as the 4th Qtr started, and which some observers think is among the best SBs of all-time.
Would anyone here call that game unwatchable?
But i don't expect analytical insight from a troll.
He insists on going on 4th and forever in his attempt to diminsh the Pats latest unwatcable championship.
and as usual he comes up way short of the chains.
SSDD
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
No it proves the voters picked a guy who had a visibly great game with stats. If Gilmore had another pick, he would have won it, mostly as a proxy for the Pats defense, which really won the game.
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Nooooooooo!!!!
This is just COLD...
https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667)
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I have no opinion about a game/event I have not watched since Reagan was in the White House.
But if Banks says it was a great game, it was a great game.
Anybody who can claim a football game that went into OT "wasn't even close" has rare insights
Into the game of football that no mere mortal could possess.
Deej
I didn't say the SB just played was a great game, but rather it was a close defensive battle that had me engaged from opening kick to final whistle.
Some called it unwatchable, and with that I disagreed, In fact I'm watching it again as we speak.
I found the game refreshing from the all offense all the time games that have become so prevalnet in the NFL.
The game was very much a throwback to a style of football played 20+ years ago.
And if you could refresh my memory which OT game, did I say wasn't even close and which SEC institution of higher learning did I unfairly malign?
I'm going back to the game.
Gotta see how it turns out.
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What I want to know is where this defense was in last year's Super Bowl!
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Truer words have never been spoke.
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The "unwatchables" are just spewing out their sour grapes, nothing a little mouthwash won't cure.
The OT game was the pro championship game, not a college game.
You maligned my opinion about the Bama game saying I "Cherry-picked my stats" when all I
Did was post some stats readily available.
Our difference is nothing more than what constitutes an "ass-kicking".
Many like to throw that expression around to show their glee that a comeuppance has occurred.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
Jeebus Deej are you still sore that Bama got their ass kicked?
They did.
and i wasn't gleeful about it, I was happy as I had Clemson and points, but the wager wasn't large enough for gleeful.
i just posted about what I saw.
And my team has been on the short-end of some unexpected defensive struggles in the SB. and you're right no one said those games were unwatchable.
Still don;t know what OT game you're refering to, or the comment. I usually remember shit I post.
Peace Deej
Going into 4Q in the SB
its a nail-biter at 3-3
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819190-signature-win-for-bill-belichick-shows-whos-really-at-the-heart-of-pats-dynasty?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
This would make more sense to me had last year's Super Bowl been different. And it still makes more than a little sense - though if all that were true, where was the genius when Drew Bledsoe was his QB?
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Deej
I'm sorry if that post upset you, but if you'd point out anything that was incorrect or misleading in my post please do.
and having just watched SB 53 again, it was eminently watchable.
If you liked football,
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
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Kam's just in a funk. He's lost and wondered over here looking for his pet unicorn which has gone missing.
Best of luck son, and in the meantime, here's a longform article written by ESPN.com's lead football analyst, Bill Barnwell, (used to write for the old Grantland) about the game.
It might help explain the nature of game to a novice fan who was more invested in the guacamole than watching a defensive slugfest.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams)
At the end of a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love, it really shouldn't have been a surprise that Bill Belichick was the one standing triumphant.
Last year, Tom Brady produced what was arguably the greatest single performance in Super Bowl history, only for Belichick's defense to get run over by Eagles backup Nick Foles. On Sunday, with Brady struggling en route to his worst passing performance in a title game, Belichick's defense saved the day. The Patriots delivered Belichick's masterpiece in their 13-3 win over the Rams.
What we saw from the Patriots on Sunday night was the best defensive performance we have ever seen in a Super Bowl.
and good luck finding your unicorn.
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Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)
Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
That's a big "if"!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html)
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Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)
Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.
I'm not sure why people comtinue to underestimate coaching, preparation, situational football, and execution in the game.
But having said that you should probably watch the Seattle game (SB49) again. The Pats controlled the first half, got outplayed in the 3rd qtr and dominated the 4th gtr.
The Pats won a game they mostly (75%) dominated on the field.
SB 51 was weird and there was seemingly no way the Pats should have escaped the 28-3 handcuffs they were in mid-way through the 3rd qtr, but they kept on playing and won the war.
To suggest they were handed that win is ridiculous.
it was passed to them.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
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not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.
and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
Actually it just proves the biased mentality of the people giving it. And why the NFL has done its level best to legislate defense out of the game.
Great defenses are still finding ways to fart to the rulesmakers face. The best defense one.
Lovin it.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
LOL. Now that's smack.
BTW, I liked the game. Hated the results, but liked the game.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
Maroon 5 took too much of a hit
Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel.. Now go suck an egg.
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFCnHc8KU0
BTW no pooch in the hunt for me either.
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It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.
Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".
Like his stuff.
Maroon 5 took too much of a hit
Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel.. Now go suck an egg.
See the post above.
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Classy Boston fans:
https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp (https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp)
Well, so far cops haven't killed anyone who is "celebrating".
Heh
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Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!
A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way. Nobody disagrees with their own id.
I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
To the best of my recollection, I've seen every SB played, even "wide-right" from a hospital bed in New Hampshire (ski accident-collapsed lung-heavily medicated).
From reollection, there were a lot dog games in the first 20-25 years, and its only been the past 20 years where the games generally have been close/fun to watch. But having said that, of the recent vintage, mostly pretty entertaining, perhaps the worst was the Seahawks thrashing of the Bronco's 43-8, (SB 50). There was nothing redeeming, nor watchable in that game. But i watched.
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The whole world hated the game except New england fans.
Should tell something to the New england fans.
If they have frontal lobes.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
If Patriots had lost 13-3 i'd still say it was a boring game.
Maroon V would still have sucked.
Duh.
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f a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love
Agreed
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Pats name former Rutgers HC, tOSU DC, and Belichick buddy Greg Schiano as new DC, filling the vacancy left by the Miami-bound Brian Flores.
tough act to folllow
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Flores had his one shining moment.
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Flores had his one shining moment.
And he got a five year contract out of it.
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https://news.avclub.com/bob-costas-confirms-he-got-fired-from-the-super-bowl-fo-1832491818?rev=1549736308898&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main
Costas was fired from last year's Super Bowl broadcast team for being honest prior to it about football and conscussions.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be)
Number one wouldn't have happened in the wimpy NFL. Who by the way I hear is considering changing their initials to NPL.
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For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Also for the record: Karim Hunt has a job. Colin Kaepernick does not.
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Doesn't Hunt still face a possible suspension for part/all of the upcoming season?
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)
Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.
Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?
In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)
Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.
Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?
In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
We can't all be the stalwart defenders of civil rights that you are.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?
The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.
Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.
Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.
Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.
If you're able to do so.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?
The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.
Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.
Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.
Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.
If you're able to do so.
I called you a racist be ause you have demonstrated your racism in post after post, issue after issue, for.20 years on the NYT forum and here. You are a racist fuck. You would remain a racist fuck regardless of your position on Kaepernick.
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I see.
You have your own stats.
Clearly, then, you don't know the meaning of the word, counselor.
Off you go, now, back to a world of your own creation.
Do get back to us, once you've recovered from speaking with the devil himself.
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I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole. Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
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Kaep was probably unfairly denied the opportunity to ply his trade by owner collusion. I see no problem with him being compenansated for his lost opportunity and wages due to an illegal conspiracy.
As far as I know while he can not discuss the details of the settlement, he is free to speak his mind about any issue and continue to be a social actvist.
And this settlement is cheap for the NFL, probably $2-3 miilion max per owner, the cost of one bad contract, and they avoid the embarrassment of disclosed e-mails likely revealing the collusion, maybe racism, and maybe shots at Trump.
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This is not my work, so I can't attest to it, (I've done similar stuff) but others have checked off on this, so I'm posting it here.
It general it addresses and rebuts the "AFC East is easy" argument in discussing the Pats success.
"If you remove the winner of every division since 2001, and look at the records of only teams 2-4 against teams outside their division, the AFC East has the best record since 2001. In other words, teams 2-4 in the AFC East perform better against non-division opponents than the 2-4 teams in any other division. The AFC East is full of mediocre teams that would be 9-11 win teams in other divisions if they weren’t losing to the Patriots. It rarely has bum teams, like the Browns, Raiders, Jaguars were for so long."
So, no, “AFC East” is not a valid answer to this question.
https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301 (https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301)
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I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole. Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
I've never wondered about you, being the pretentious and supercilious boor that you are.
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I can literally think of no person on earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
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I can literally think of no person on earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
Sure you can
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
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Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.
I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
I totally agree that he was no Curt Flood.
OTOH, I don't think anybody made Curt Flood the kind of offer that the NFL made to Kaepernick. It might be that he would have been no Curt Flood, either.
My point about you remains.
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Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.
Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.
A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
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Poor Myra.
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Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.
Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.
A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
Goodell's present. And presenting facts isn't trolling.
Kraft the human trafficking owner in the NFL. Aaron Hernandez the murderer, likely bumped off in prison. Make it look like a suicide...
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
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Inflate-gate.
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter, Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
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Looking forward to the NY POST and Daily News covers, tomorrow.
That said, surprised Mr. Morality, Joshie, hasn't been here, yet, to condemn the NFL, who declared Kaepernick unfit for the league, but will likely keep this fat bastard around.
There was a rumor that Kraft wanted Kaepernick as a back-up QB for 2019, but Colin wouldn't go down on both knees.
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You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.
Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter, Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
Trump and Tiger Woods seem to be the popular choices among the unwashed masses.
I'm going to go with Mitch McConnell he seems like a strip mall rub n tug guy and he has a thing for Chinese women.
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Reminds me of the story often credited ( probably in error) to Giant great Alex Webster.
I paid $5 grand for her boob job and she was happy.
Then I paid $15kfor her facelift and she was even happier. ( and so was I)
But when I paid a hundred bucks for a blow job she was pissed!
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http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN)
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http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP)
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html
More details than you want to know.
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CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.
The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
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CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.
The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
Nobody's kicking him out of the league, Piggy.
He didn't kneel during the National Anthem, after all. Hell, he didn't even hit the women (girls?).
No biggy in NFL circles. Besides, he's friends with Trump and the NFL has worked very hard to get onto Trump's good side.
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In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's. I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
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In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's. I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
The local paper in Akron, the Beacon Journal, goes by its initials, A BJ.
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The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.
Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
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The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.
Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
I would be surprised if the liberal media did not ask him such questions, given his connections to the president - and that the majority of the liberal media is outside of Boston and unlikely to want to skip a chance to embarrass the Patriots.
However, at least from the available evidence so far (which is pretty skimpy), the women who were arrested with him don't fit any of the descriptions you included. And money laundering to go along with running a prositution ring or a brothel is not nearly at the level that was suggested in the early reporting on the topic.
I sure hope that if there was sex trafficking that the folks behind it get nailed. And, for all that I doubt Kraft knew the background, should he prove to have known what the situation was and that it was trafficking, then they'd best throw the bookcase at him.
Misdemeanor prostitution, OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft.
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OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft
The NFL will probably adopt the "Tug Rule".
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OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft
The NFL will probably adopt the "Tug Rule".
There's a joke about over-inflated balls here to be made.
How they even find out? Spygate 2; The second coming
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Just when the Browns were starting to look decent
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
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Browns are going to be fun to watch.
And good.
G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)
But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
AFC North up for grabs and Browns look like they got a guy who can make tough catches.
Earl Thomas rumored to be up next.
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Mind you as a Cleveland fan I fully expect either catastrophic injuries and a 5 - 11 record, or a fumble by Jarvis Landry while twisting into the end zone with the game winning touchdown with a minute left in the AFC Championship game.
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Not good Gettleman.
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
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Not good Gettleman.
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
That will sure help them to bounce back this season. Eli all the way!
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gonna be a tough seson for Opie.
and maybe a tougher one for Saquon.
G-men taking a page out of the Knicks play book.
Next year Zion!
or Tua
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Since today everything becomes official....
... both trades were actually processed by the NFL as one deal. The net effect was that the Browns received Beckham and Vernon in exchange for Zeitler, Peppers, a 1st-round pick, (17) and a 3rd-round pick (95).
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Giants have the #6, and thanks to Odell the #17, and the #97
Trade up to #1. Get Kyler Murray.
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Fuckin A, Gmen
Long overdue - and they get a Pro Bowler (and a local) in Peppers.
Picks are fucking gravy
Eli starts 2 more seasons.
And thanks, Jets for keeping Leveon away from Ravens.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
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I would say just going by fan posts that something like 3 out of every 4 NY Giant fans hate the trade. And of those who hate the trade there is a percentage i can't determine that has jumped ship completely knowing the team has given up on a generational player in his prime. Maybe 10%. I think the Giants figure they will regain that 10% when they start winning again... but that won't be in 2019. They are 32nd in Active Money on the cap and 1st in dead money. They're essentially paying guys to play elsewhere this year.
2019 is dead before it begins. It's a tank and purge salary season ripped out of the pages of the NBA.
2020 on the other hand, will see the Giants with some $80 mil in cap space.
Two faith-based questions.
Do you have faith this regime can find Eli's successor?
Do you have faith this regime can spend the cap space wisely?
After watching the about-face on Collins and Beckham... faith is in short supply.
I happen to think the Giants will be better after the Odell trade than they would have been trying to win 8 games with offensive weapons and no defense and an immobile QB
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire? Or, is there something that is clearly beyond our view?
Either way, it looks like the ownership may be heavily involved.
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Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet. He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns. But hopefully better.
Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
Stay tuned
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?
My current reading of the tea-leaves:
- Giants have said recently they're following the Kansas City model; draft a QB have him sit for some time and watch an accomplished veteran do the job.
- Giants have recently said they've acquired draft capital in the Odell deal. Meaning at #6 and #17 they're planning to trade up to 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. (This might not happen until the draft itself as they're watching for who is trying to trade up to #5)
- They're taking a QB. (They SAY they like Haskins but this is the time of year everyone lies.)
- Eli will remain and start for half the season then hand over the reins to the newly-minted starter with the short apprenticeship.
- Every other pick the giants make next month will be on the defensive side of the ball or O-line depth/competition.
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents. A WR is the priority.
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But i could be wrong. Maybe the Giants like Rosen more than Haskins or Murray.
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One last thing about the KC-model.
Ty Hill is a free agent in 2020.
That's your ideal Odell replacement when you have more money to spend than any other team.
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The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?
My current reading of the tea-leaves:
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents. A WR is the priority.
Golden Tate gets $9mil annual contact from NYG where $23mil is guaranteed
(4yr/37.5mil)
Veteran WR - Check
Next move: veteran LB
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
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In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB Markus Golden to a one year deal.
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
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In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB Markus Golden to a one year deal.
And the hot dog vendors have signed a deal with Golden's Mustard.
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No interest shown in trading for Robbie Gould
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unimpressed
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Kareem Hunt gets an 8 game suspension.
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He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.
Hesi Tate.
He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
I hope he's made a will. Wouldn't want to see him end up like his Uncle, Intes Tate.
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Q Williams
N Bosa
J Allen
The QBs are overrated as usual.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2827187-cam-newton-giving-up-sex-for-a-month-hopes-it-makes-my-mind-stronger?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
I can imagine why he might believe that this would help him.
I cannot fathom what he thinks announcing it is going to accomplish that will be good for anybody, himself included.
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Gronk is not giving up sex.
However he is giving up the NFL.
And announces his retirement.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html)
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Probably my favorite NE Patriot of All-Time. Or least hated Patriot.
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Suddenly realized I no longer care about most mock drafts. Tho the last multi-rounder I looked at mentioned a DB named Chauncey Gardner-Johnson to the Browns in R2. I'd like to watch him. Respect to his parents for the name.
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
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2nd Round?
Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
Not quite the response I was expecting, I thought you might go with, “In a garden, things grow . . . but first, they must wither; trees have to lose their leaves (turn BROWN) in order to put forth new leaves, and to grow thicker and stronger and taller. "
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PI calls now reviewable
Saints tears worked.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials)
PHOENIX -- NFL owners have approved a massive philosophical expansion of its replay review system, bowing to pressure from coaches and fans who were outraged by a missed pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game.
For at least the 2019 season, pass interference -- both offensive and defensive -- will be reviewable, the first penalties and judgment calls ever to be added to the list of approved reviews
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Apparently the Coaches had voted 32-0 on another proposal to make ALL plays (rouching the passer, etc) reviewable and aren't thrilled with this compromise.
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Its a good bet this results in one reffing standard for 58 minutes (let 'em play) and another for ticky-tack BS incidental contact/PI calls in the the last 2 minutes
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https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-greg-schiano-and-bill-belichick
I am grateful to Greg Schiano for his years of service to the Patriots and his commitment to the New England community.
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Josh Rosen for the Patriots #2 (56) and a #3 (73)
Pats take a TE in the first rd (32)
Rosen and they also have the (64) (97) (101)
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Rosen trade?
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals)
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
Caveat being the Giants targets at 17 are gone and they haven't already used the pick as capital to move up.
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Pats usually don't trade up, BB often trades down to pick up additional draft picks.
As I recall there are supposed to be a few attractive TE in this year's draft so maybe the Pats snag a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
IMO their priorities are young edge guy/rusher WR (several) TE, LB, CB, QB
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So much for the AAF replacing college football.
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
No
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Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.
No
What are you addressing your no to and why?
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What? Maybe you should just re-read it.
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What? Maybe you should just re-read it.
I re-read your answer of no several times.
Your reasons are still not apparent.
Your answer "no" could be answered from either side of a trade, the Pats or Giants and for different reasons.
I asked your reasons for your 1-word answer of "no" to Kam's proposed swap asked presumably with a Patriot's fan perspective.
Is it not enough for the Giants, too much for the Pats, or what are you saying no to and why?
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
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NGlFL draft starts tonight! Can't wait to see who the Browns take at 17!
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
I would not have taken him in the first round, unless I had a QB like Brady or Rodgers. Sit him a year or two and if he did not work out quietly boot him to the curb. Otherwise, he is "your guy" and you stick with him, and if he is mediocre, you don't improve the position until you have wasted 5 years of your team.
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Giants didnt like the OSU kid
Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options
Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6
Giants options therefore were:
1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case. Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.
Option 1 was OK by me. Jones starts in 2021-22.
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Giants didnt like the OSU kid
Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options
Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6
Giants options therefore were:
1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case. Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.
Option 1 was OK by me. Jones starts in 2021-22.
Your reasoning is correct. It is the player I disagree with. And remember, I thought the Browns spit the bit last year with Mayfield so I clearly know what I am talking about.
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With the qualifier that I no squat about most college football players, I'm generally happy with the Pats approach through round 3.
they addressed my sense of their need (edge guy, WR, CB) and I think they got some talented players to get younger.
IMO They still could use a TE and maybe another WR, and at some point have to address the QB question, but all in all, I think so far they've done a good job.
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Stridham is a good gamble. He went from a potential Heisman and top pick at.the start of the year to the fourth round.
I had Greedy Williams as a potential pick when we held 17. Got him 30 picks later.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
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Guess you missed this: https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg (https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg)
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
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Favorite draft quote: "Daniel Jones looks like.the actor they'd cast to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning... ."
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Playoffs Totals Table
Rk Player From To G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk rushYds
1 E Manning 2005 2016 12 8-4-0 242 400 60.5 2815 18 87.4 72 9 27 155
2 P Manning 1999 2015 27 14-13-0 649 1027 63.2 7339 40 87.4 87 25 40 298
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
I think that argument depends on what you're rating.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
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Likely beats watching Chris Dale, at the moment.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.
Battle of Winterfell, then?
Whatever you might have done last night I hope you found it worthwhile and or enjoyable.
You missed an epic 80-minute battle and an all-time classic CFBW. Things looked dire for the hometown defenders of humanity as it looked like the Night King was all but assured of scoring a decisive and crushing victory. His relentless ground game together with an aerial attack shredded the Targ-Stark defense, and led him to 1st and Bran, and all but ready to snatch and crush mankind.
But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.
Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.
I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
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After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
"Game of Thrones" creator George R.R. Martin is UNLOADING on the New York Giants ... blasting the team for taking relatively unknown Duke QB Daniel Jones.
Martin -- the brain behind 'GoT' -- happens to be a HUGE fan of the New York football teams ... and like so many other G-Men fans, he's distraught over this weekend's draft.
"Daniel Jones from Duke at number six?" Martin wrote on his website ... "Yes, they need a young quarterback to groom as Eli’s successor. But Dwayne Haskins was right there. Why not him?"
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heh - stick to dragons George
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George R.R. Martin went to Northwestern. He likely thinks Thorson would have been a better pick.
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But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.
Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.
I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
When NK just casually walked up to the 1 yd line all cool and Oberin-like with his linemen distracted it gave the free safety just the opening needed.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Eli got to the playoffs, based on what you posted, 6 times in 12 seasons.
Peyton got to the playoffs 15 times in 17 seasons.
I think Eli is overrated.
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As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.
I think so. But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Opie's HoF credentials consist of 2 good 4th qtrs in the SB, and his ability to avoid injury. He played a lot of games, and he has been a beneficiary of inflated passing stats due to changes in the game.
He'll probably get in to Canton, but IMO he was at best, on average a 10-12th ranked QB (top 1/3) annually for the first part of his career, and pretty average for the past several years. IMO he was good/a little above average, but nowhere near a HoF QB.
I haven't checked his stats in awhile, but IIRC the only annual stat he led the league in was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.
To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.
How would you rate him?
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
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The Mara's are also idiots.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
nope
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I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often. Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.
To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.
How would you rate him?
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I am fine with how NYG are handling the final stages of Eli's tenure. I have already stated a few times that I would not have passed on Barkley.
And I have stated I have Jones starting in '21-'22. If its sooner, that is fine. Means he looks ready - and that would be a good thing.
I did like the one other QB who we could have gotten much later - and thus would have been OK with not taking a round 1 guy. But he can play. Just means we don't have to use a 1 or 2 next year on the position.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
And far better than Rabbit Maranville!
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Yep. And Jess Haines too!
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
I don't know..... NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........
If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning. Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.
Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
I don't know..... NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........
If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning. Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.
heh
that's a persuasive helluva case for Eli.
I think watching him play is a start to determining Eli's HoF-worthiness.
How did he compare to his peers?
And IMO if you bother to check the stats you'll find he pretty much defines maybe slightly above average (top 10-12ish/top 1/3).
is HoF case rests on 2 good SB 4th qtrs and longevity.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
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Everyone likes Opie.
That's not really a point of contention.
He's likeable, earnest, and honest as the day is long.
Although you might want to double-check the game used #10 jersey hanging in the rec room.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
Not really even a discussion on whether Eli will be enshrined. Has the stats, the unsurpassed durability and the rings.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
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You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.
Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career. Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.
Canton or not, we like him.
I like Opie too.
And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.
But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.
Otis does though.
You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.
Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat) are enough to get him in.
I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.
Beating the best team of all time.
The word is CLUTCH: The Giants entered the playoffs as the #5-seed.[121] On January 6, 2008, in the Wild Card Round, Manning went 20-of-27 for 185 yards playing on the road against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The underdog Giants won 24–14, and Manning had two touchdown passes.[122]
On January 13, 2008, in the Divisional Round Manning led the Giants to an upset victory over the heavily favored Dallas Cowboys, the number one seed in the NFC.[123] For the third straight game, Manning played well, completing 12 of 18 passes for 163 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions.[123] The Giants were the first team to beat an NFC number one seed in the Divisional Round since the start of the 12-team format in 1990.[124] This victory secured an NFC Championship berth against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, January 20, 2008. In the NFC Championship, the Giants beat the Packers in overtime, with a score of 23–20.[125] The dramatic victory secured Manning and the Giants a trip to Super Bowl XLII.[126] This was the first Super Bowl appearance for the New York Giants since Super Bowl XXXV in 2001,[127] and their first Super Bowl victory since Super Bowl XXV.
....Trailing 14-10 with 2:42 remaining, Manning led the Giants 83 yards on a game-winning touchdown drive. On a crucial third-and-5 at the Giants' 44-yard line, Manning connected with David Tyree on a play in which he avoided several near-sacks and Tyree caught the ball off his helmet for a large gain. Four plays later, Plaxico Burress caught a 13-yard touchdown pass with just 35 seconds remaining for the winning margin.[130] Manning became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw two go-ahead fourth-quarter touchdowns in a Super Bowl (Joe Montana being the first).[131] Manning also became the first quarterback to throw a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown in the NFL title game (including the pre-Super Bowl era) when a field goal would not at least tie the game.[132] Following the Giants' monumental victory, Manning and the coaching staff spoke briefly with President George W. Bush.[133]
Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII.[134] He and his brother Peyton are the only brother combination to play at quarterback in the Super Bowl and the only set of brothers to win Super Bowl MVP, doing so in successive years....
Wikipedia.
CLUTCH. TWO TIME MVP. Durable. Winner. HOFer.
Pat's fans jealous, because they know with Eli instead of Brady, they'd be undefeated in all those other Super Bowls.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
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Let's see "Opie" not only made TB12 cry after beating him twice in the Super Bowl, he also has won two Academy Awards, four Emmys, a Grammy, two Golden Globes, and has been nominated for 7 BAFTA Awards. He additionally received the National Medal of Arts in 2003 as well as two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions.
Sounds like a HOFer to me.
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Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
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Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
That's probably true. And to extend it, the lack of pro-sports star-power and championships in the NYC metro other than the Yankees for the better part of this century, has created a celebrity vacuum that Eli with 2 rings sort of inherited, despite non-superstar performance.
For whatever reasons fans need heroes.
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Jeter is better.
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Celebrity vacuum? Ha! It's New York! We don't need know stinking celebrities! The city itself is a celebrity. Unlike that razed set of hills they used to fill in the swamp around Boston Habba!
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
I agree. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line between the eras, though this isn't the case this time.
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Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.
He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.
17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.
I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Gettleman is an idiot.
And I'm being kind.
nope
Opinions vary. FTR I hope mine is wrong.
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
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I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.
IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.
you're pathetic
Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.
And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.
You have nothing.
SSDD
And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.
The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.
TFF
C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
I'm going to quible a bit cap.
I'm not sure how big the troll's head is, but it certainly is the emptiest and devoid of content. So it is probably fair to say he probably has the greatest amount of avaialble empty space ear-to ear and chin to the top of his pointy head.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
I saw it once.
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the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars
Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.
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the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars
Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.
LMM walks down most any street in NYC and 99 of 100 people won't have a clue who he is, unless he's in costume or wearing a LMM game jersey.
There's mass market in NYC of millions who gets fed sports content 24/7 and an elite market a fraction of that that uses ticket brokers to buy $1000 tickets months in advance.
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I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
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I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
Give him a pony tail and colonial garb he couild pass for LMM and know one will be wiser...
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The injustice system at work: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html)
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.
You may now fuck off.
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
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poor sad troll
everyone here has seen your depravity and sickness and your lies and constant deceit.
You fool no one.
Except perhaps yourself.
SSDD
No one here wants anything to do with you/
You are filth.
Now go back to your corner of shame and pee your pants in frustration.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
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Yeah, I know - Barkley was a bad pick
heh
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I believe at the time I suggested more than once that Barkely was a luxury item for a team that had a lot of pressing needs, (I think I comped him to a Bentley when a pick-up truck was required) and thought if a franchise QB was not found (I was partial to Darnold ) then the #2 might be traded for a basket of high picks to hasten the Giants rebuild. I also wanted OBJ traded. (At least they got that right, if a year late). But I was told by more than one Giant fan they were a post-season team.
They weren't.
There's little question Barkely is a very good player. But I'm comfortable with my analysis.
The risk now is that Danny boy is not the guy and could push a rebuild another 3+ years down the road.
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Bitch Levine is wrong.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
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The latest Patriot scandal: Tom Brady caught vandalizing Hollywood mansion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY)
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
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kid
as you are well aware, after the Giants disappointing '18 season, there has been a ton of 2nd guessing among NFL pundits, experts, Giant reporters and fans of the Giant draft strategy and the Barkely pick in particular. Many mirroring my opinion.
However as you know my analysis and criticism was before that draft. And as you may recall i was high on Bentley, just not as a #2 pick in the entire draft for a team that had so many holes to fix.
That #2 pick could have been turned into a 1,2,3,and 4 round picks (starting at the #4th) using the NFL value matrix.
And as you know it wasn't a 2nd guess, it was my analysis of need and how to best rebuild the team.
And time will tell, and Jones may be the long-term QB answer and Barkely the perfect complimentary running back.
But I would have preferred driving something more sensible than a Bentley, and maybe paid down the mortgage, put aside money for kid's college, throw a few bucks into the retirement funds, and rebuild the O=line and defense.
And maybe I would have gotten 24 MPG in the less sexy but more sensible Volvo wagon.
YMMV
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
Oh, look! Mije Francesca's opinion dropped by. Probably easier just to provide the link to WFAN, next time, Bitch Levine.
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Oh look the poor sad troll is pissing his pants again.
I must have upset the psychotic asshole, again.
Too bad., and get used to it.
Francesa liked Darnold, but he was still in camp Eli a year ago, and wanted to build around Eli, and he thought they could win last year, and thought sitting Darnold and not playing him would have been a waste of a very high pick.
It was similiar to his objections to them drafting Danny Jones at #6, and sitting behind Eli. He thinks its a waste of a pick when they had so many needs, like an O-line and defense.
Its what I said a year ago.
and fwiw, I've no opinion on Jones, other than it appears to have been a pretty big reach, and he quite likely would have been there at #17.
never know.
And anyone want to rent the empty space in the troll's head.
I've owned it for years, but while its fun to fuck around with, I don't get much use of it anymore.
Although flying paper airplanes in there is kind of fun, or throwing a frisbee, there's plenty of empty space in there.
no reasonable offer will be refused.
heh
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes
QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE
and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper
and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.
Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.
I
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Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.
Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.
I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,
The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.
But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.
Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".
Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.
My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes
QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE
and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper
and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.
Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.
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Ward. Garrett was the year before. We passed on a Chubb at 4, a decision I was ok with, but would not have made.
After the first four, though, I think the ranking depends on your team philosophy. A pocket pusher at DT, RB and WR would be before TE for most teams. But if you identify a unique talent at a normal position, I think you take him. You build offenses around uniquely talented players. That is why TE was a more valuable position for NE than most teams.
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Mixed up Ward and Garrett but the hierarchy still holds.
And agree that after nailing down the basics, QB, edge rusher, O-line, CB, a GM can free-lance for specific needs.
But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
IMO the point remains that the Giants were nowhere near nailing down the basics and bought a Bentley, but are 3 months behind on the mortgage payments.
As an aside, with Gronk's retirement, the Pats really don't have a TE, so it may be interesting to see how the Pat's offense morphs this year.
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My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.
https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.
You may now fuck off.
Cool, permission from you means so very much to me.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
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Bitch Levine wrong again.
Bottom line, those CFB Nutcases, Cap and The Arizona Priest Enabler, know their kids. But neither they nor your copied and pasted Francesa opinions mean shit.
Even the guys who draft the players don't know how these picks will turn out.
If they did, you'd be here singing the praises of Dave Stachelski.
You may now STFU, Wimp.
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poor sad troll
no one give a fuck about your pathetic screams for attention.
this is a fucking forum about pro football, its not about you, an indecent asshole stalker.
cap is right
no one wants you here
you're useless
so go hide and vent in the hockey forum and piss yourself in isolation.
you fucking loser
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Troll
you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers
and they identify with players heroes.
For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".
and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.
the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.
The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.
Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
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Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.
Cap likes a good echo chamber.
But he proved his stripes a long time ago.
Two weaklings.
Heh
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Troll-the only thing you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt is the bottomless depth of your desperaration and depravity.
and you do it with every post
SSDD
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
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The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.
If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.
DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.
DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
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But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.
They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better. They are one starting RG away from a standout line.
The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least. Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.
Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.
The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense. But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.
That should scare the rest of the division.
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But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.
Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.
They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better. They are one starting RG away from a standout line.
The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least. Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.
Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.
The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense. But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.
That should scare the rest of the division.
It always amazes me that people confuse individual achievements within the context of team sports.
I blame fantasy sports.
Giants had 5 wins last year, with Eli, OBJ and Saquon. That's a lot of offensive fire power.
But they sucked as a team.
There was a reason they had the #6 pick to use on Eli's successor.
And Barkely is a high performance player, there's no question about that, and is one of the reason I comped him to a Bentley. He's special.
But 700 yards of the 2,000 were passing yards.
But i'm sure you're right Opie will scare the rest of the NFC East, and lead his team to post-season wins, as he has, twice in his 14 year career.
As for Jones he may be great, I've no idea, I didn;t see the Senior Bowl, but the point you seem to miss is that he was the 4th ranked QB in the draft and depending upon your source, anywhere from the 40th to 80th ranked player in the draft, which suggests he would likely have been there at 17, and maybe at 37 in the 2nd round. He was a huge stretch at 6, and DG might have capitalized on his brilliance by accumulating extra picks by trading down.
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Giants had 8 one possession losses in that 5-11 record. 5 losses by a field goal or less.
15-20 Jags
13-20 Cowboys
31-33 Carolina
20-23 Falcons
13-20 Skins
22-25 Eagles
27-28 Colts
35-36 Cowboys
Early in the season the offense wasn't clicking even with OBJ.
Later in the season the defense was the problem.
Won't take a lot to improve the W-L record.
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The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.
If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.
DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.
DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
Great points. But you have to admit, Eli is an expensive tutor. Unless they plan to trade him. But to where and for whom?
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Advice to QB Jones, #8: “Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don’t mind and those who mind don’t matter."
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Jones wont play this year
And Peppers in the return game is under publicized.
Idiot radio head was saying, "Call me if you wouldnt trade Jones for Darnold"
Heh - I'd have fired him on the spot.
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
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Bitch ###### hates when is proven wrong.
Cap likes a good echo chamber.
But he proved his stripes a long time ago.
Two weaklings.
Heh
LOL you remind me of Rudy in the movie Hot Dog, you multiple personality freak.
Well, so here's my answer to you Rudy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA)
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
I just don't think he lasts to 37. Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
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While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
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Attaboy, YG
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While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
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Bingo! And generally, the people who actually work in the NFL know more than radio personalities and the apes who copy and post their opinions here.
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We would need to know particulars on which teams may have been interested in moving up to 6.
Anyone at 7-10?
How about 11-16?
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Right. If you think your QB of the future is sitting for you at 6, you take him. If you think Jones is your QB of the future, that is a different issue.
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There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Well...just to make the discussiona bit more in depth...
No. Part of GMs job on draft day is figuring what other teams are about to do.
Thus....
If the team at 11 is offering something substantial to move to 6 it then behooves you to do a mock on 6-10. Also of course figuring who might deal up to 7-10 to get Jones
Smart money says Gettleman was too concerned Redskins wanted Jones and that is enough for the backers of Gettleman and the naysayers to strongly debate.
Or... could be nobody was dealing up (hard to believe) and of course Gettleman then had just 2 moves - take Jones or be Ok losing him before 17
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I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
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I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
The worst teams in the league will always include one or two teams that need QBs. Lack of quality QB is usually one of the reasons you are drafting in the top 10.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Of the two I like Lawrence a lot more, but Tua is a pretty decent pro prospect, and IMO would have been the #1 if he had come out this year.
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Jones will work and he will improve, and he will be ready when his time comes. Book it.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Wow
No words
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I guess we'll find out. Injury-prone, happy feet and short-arms throws. But I don't know things like you do.
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I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Wow
No words
Using your big-boy words to explain your opinion would be helpful rather than trying to bluff your way through with snarky bullshit.
Kid you're totally transparent.
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Kid took pains last year to tell us he didn't watch much college football, but he knows things anyway.
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--this is all second hand "insider" info i took from a giants board FWIW--
Denver had Jones rated higher than Lock and would have taken him if he was available in the first round*.
Denver is not head over heels in love with Lock, they think he has potential, but they see his warts. They took him in the 2nd round as there was too much value there not to take him.
The rumors out there on the Redskins was accurate, there was a split in Redskins camp on Jones vs Haskins with Snyder wanting Haskins and the rest wanting Jones. Snyder would have won out if both were available. Jay Gruden and several Redskins scouts loved Daniel and were banging the table for him but were over ruled by Snyder in favor of Haskins.
Bengals ( pick 11 ) also had interest in Jones.
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*Fact:
Denver eventually traded down from 10 AFTER the Giants took Jones at 6.
With all this in the ether DG would be crazy to wait til 17.
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Good info - thanks
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/
Gettleman!!!
Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.
Want to know which one was a bad one?
If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.
But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6.
Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
I just don't think he lasts to 37. Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
Taking him at six is also a gamble. Time will tell if it was the right gamble. As a Giants fan I'm hoping I'm not just wrong, but waaaaay wrong.
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Why is it a gamble? He is your property now for 5 years if you like - has value now in deal and you still nabbed 2 excellent young players to go with others you are building with long term.
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They're also gambling that Allen is a bust or just a 'good' player. If he busts out to star status and Jones is merely mediocre then you gambled wrong.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
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Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott and Jalen Ramsey are great talents
That doesnt mean Jared Goff was a poor pick for the Rams.
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I'm not sure why the concept of possibly over-valuing and overpaying for a guy ranked 40th to 80th by most experts, but who was picked 6th in the draft, and of the opportunity cost of doing so, is such a difficiult concept for some to understand.
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QB is always called the most important position and toughest to fill adequately. And there are QB-hungry teams every year. So yes, a guy ranked 40th in a 32 team league, at the QB position, will likely get drafted way higher than a draft board based on talent rather than team-need would have him.
They got their man. Was it the right man? Time will tell. But i don't think Allen's play will weigh on Jones just like nobody with the Giants cares we let Philip Rivers and Shawn Merriman go for Eli.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher. Possibly you aren't understanding what I'm saying. My opinion, and point for that matter, is dependent on Jones "not" being a star.
But it's no secret I covet and value defense in the game of football and my opinion is a bit jaded in that respect I readily admit this.
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You should love the Odell deal then
Funny..... hearing Jones may not even be the first Giants rookie QB to hit the field
Funny 2 - Lindy's Pro Football Draft issue -
Ratings
Haskins - 8.2
Jones - 8.0
Murray - 7.8
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
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Terribly simplistic
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Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer. By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
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Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this
QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS
and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way
good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....
there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.
you're welcome
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Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.
I've also heard CB was the next most important position. I don't know. But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added. Perennially weak at LB. Much is expected from Markus Golden.
Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
Good corners make average pass rushers look great. Forcing the QB to hold the ball an extra tick makes a huge difference. That is why the Browns took Ward over Chubb last year. Their review showed them their rush was good, but people were open all over the field so that the rush always looked late. It all works together. Offenses will expose any weak point, regardless of strength.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
Football is still a trench warfare game. You lose the line of scrimmage, you lose. And in today's pass-happy NFL even crappy QBs have completion % above 60%. Given the rules advantages to the passing game, most CBs will lose their man in a couple of seconds or get flagged for holding. So pass completed for flag/1st down.
You need at least 1-stud pass rusher to pressre the QB to throw before he wants to. And even if you have a shut-down corner, a good QB will look elsewhere to pick apart a team. I've seen it happen for 18 years.
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But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
All right Maslow
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But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
All right Maslow
my friends call me Abe.
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Terribly simplistic
Probably seems that way to you. Not surprised.
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Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer. By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
If you ever played football you will know that defenses, especially the rushers DL and DE, expend much more energy than offensive linemen. Thus you will see a lot of DL rotation going on.
And by the end of the game everyone is tired. Including those average pass rushers.
No my point was about time Kam. To an NFL quarterback time is life's blood.
And to NFL secondaries too much of it means certain death.
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Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this
QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS
and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way
good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....
there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.
you're welcome
Sage.
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So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.
And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.
But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
While I'll agree on paper you are technically correct.
AFC Championship game 2016, Brady vs two badass DE's. The hands down greatest QB I have ever seen had the worst big game I've ever seen him have. Three of the Broncos secondary players were All-Pros. Two of those 1st team, both CBs. I have no doubt Brady picks them apart without that killer pass rush.
Thus my preference.
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
That's consistent with a finding last week in another case. I think the prosecution has an uphill battle ahead of it, if they even go forward at all.
(p.s. Flacco says he is not a selfish person.)
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Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)
I'm guessing that happy ending cost Kraft a whole lot more than his first happy ending.
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Jets fire GM-Mac
Gase wearing GM hat.
Game of Clowns
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The Jets are always sinking but never hit bottom.
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The story knocked "Knicks didn't get Zion what are we going to do?" off of WFAN
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Seems hard to beleive but the Rex Ryan era will be thought of fondly as the era of relative stability in J-E-T-S history.
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Wow a new GM finally. Except for Q another terrible draft. A joke of a draft.
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Coach may agree with you. Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.
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Coach may agree with you. Could be GM passed on a trade that coach was in favor of.
Outside of the #1 his drafts were terrible and panned by the experts and proven bad.
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The NFL will hold the 2021 Draft in the home city of the two time defending Super Bowl Champs! Sweet.
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Sonny Weaver Jr and home court advantage for draft day doesn't seem fair!
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A sad tale of Kellen Winslow Jr. (https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661)
It really sounds like the guy has mental issues:
While Winslow was out on $2 million bail, he was arrested again for lewd conduct after a 77-year-old woman at a gym said he exposed himself to her on two occasions and masturbated next to her in a hot tub in February. He has been jailed since without bail.
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One of the great QBs of my youth.
Unitas was the flashier/sexier passer-QB, but Starr had the discipline, O-line, Hornung and Taylor and Lombardi.
RIP Bart Starr
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85)
"Bart Starr, a Hall of Fame quarterback who helped build the Green Bay Packers dynasty in the 1960s and was named the Most Valuable Player of the first two Super Bowls, died Sunday in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 85."
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Star had a great crew around him.
But don't forget that defense. Adderley, Wood(an undrafted free agent if you can believe it!),underrated Henry Jordan, Willie Davis a sack machine before sacks were a statistic, and others.
I remember Currie was the Packers first round pick and wow if you can believe it Taylor was actually their second round pick.
Great draft that year for the Pack, as Jerry Kramer was a 4th round pick.
Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
RIP Bart, you were a childhood hero.
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Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is overrated.
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It's the bassoons that make you say that right.
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Did Bob Kraft get suspended, yet? Just checking in to see.
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We'll let you know numbnuts.
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heh
its funny the pathetic troll has posted shown far more interest in the sex life of a 75 year old guy than he has about football.
it seems he's more interested in foreskin than pigskin.
He may be disappointed.
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When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
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When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
There's a deflate joke in there somewhere.
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Hey banks, you guys got any tight ends left?
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Is TB12 still trying to steal Tom Seaver's nickname? Can't you wait 'til he's dead, Brady?
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
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Tom Weaver's nickname?
I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.
heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Well, it is like holding the career record for striking out the most. If they keep you around despite a fair number of your punts being forcibly redirected the wrong way, you must be pretty good, otherwise.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
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(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
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(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
And fuck you, too. "Yank".
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
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(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)
"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"
"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"
Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
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(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Heh.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
As racist as a cartoon frog. Blame your fellow white supremacists for befouling the symbol. Credit Kaepernick and the Wall Street Journal - which has escaped your condemnation for reasons I am sure have nothing to do with them not generally speaking being prominent black activists - for helping Nike avoid the pr nightmare of having their shoes flaunted and celebrated the worst people on God's good earth.
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(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)
"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"
"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"
Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Take it up with your fellow white supremicists. Not the ones pointing out how your people have excreted their filth on a patriotic symbol.
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Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
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Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
It's that we don't give a fuck about your shit. You almost had it right!
(https://i.etsystatic.com/16399689/r/il/a35cae/1401663812/il_794xN.1401663812_t0tn.jpg)
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Good theory!
No, she eloped with Mr. Ross. That had not been her last name previously. (She went on to have two more last names in years to come, as she got married a 2nd and 3rd time, but nobody seems to pay much attention to that!)
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
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You should visit here: https://www.nmajh.org/ (https://www.nmajh.org/)
One of the best museums in a city known for great museums. I've been several times.
One thing you learn there is how influential Need were in helping develop American ideals, ideals that today, too many American Jews no longer support. Or they'd never become Republicans.
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.
Dumbfuck.
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Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.
And he lies to mislead.
for what useful purposes remains a mystery.
SSDD
I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.
Dumbfuck.
what a compelling rebuttal you present.
You fucking moron, you make broad sweeping statements wholly unsupported by facts.
Because the facts kick your stupid arguments way up your ass where they originated.
If other religions in the US voted along similar party lines as US Jews historically have, the Republican party would be a deeply minority party, with no meaningful political voice.
why you bother with your lies is your concern.
But you're only fooling yourself.
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Fuck this ignorant asshole!
And fuck Nike for listening to him!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.
So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers, and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.
There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
No ban at the time of Betsy Ross, Ham. 150 years before that? Yep.
But even then, shortening the family name, had that happened, would have been cause enough for a Jewish family of the 1770s to cast her out - not because Philly wasn't welcoming of Jews, but because the Jewish people of that time were not particularly tolerant of folks who left them!
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You can't take too much away from a pre-season game, BUTT (big but) the Pats D looked pretty fucking good against the Lions.
They have a lot of talent on that side of the ball.
there might be more games won by 24-13 type scores than needing 30+ points to win.
Rookie QB Stidham had a good game, as did WR and ambulance-chaser Jakobi Meyers.
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https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo
This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.
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https://www.facebook.com/1310273373/posts/10214732479568183/?sfnsn=mo
This makes me.very happy. The guy spent his last money training for a tryout he was not invited to and the bald faced lied his way in. Kept calling people like Dorsey by their first names, so everyone figured he belonged. Probably competing at best for the practice squad, but he gets his moment.
that FB link is broken-fucking Russians
so I had to google it-its a great story.
https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td (https://fox8.com/2019/08/08/browns-wide-receiver-who-finagled-his-way-into-a-tryout-returns-punt-for-td)
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4.38 plays
Good job by Highsmith recognizing the kid’s hunger
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
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Jones kooja better than Hastings, so far. Ball is out with Jones, while Hastings is guilty of holding it too long.
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Who's Hastings?
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
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NFL reinstates Josh Gordon.
Good luck and stay healthy Mr. Gordon.
Don't make bank on it.
It seems like a long-shot that he can shake all his demons. I just wish him well.
I wish him well also. But I have been in your loafers. People like Gordon, with his talent, get many chances and routinely disappoint people who give him more chances up until the moment there are no more chances to give. 2013 was a very very long time ago. If all he has lost in those.six years have not been enough to keep him sober, it is hard to see what will save rock bottom.
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I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.
Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.
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I agree. From what I understand, it will be a day to day battle for him to overcome his illness. I think we both hope he can do it.
Former The Michigan Wolverine madman Chase Winovich was making plays all over the field and had an impressive game last night, as did Jarrett Stidham leading 2 long drives in the 2nd half.
As a general rule, the taint of Meatchicken lessens after he leaves college, but fuck Winovich. I hope he gets all that pretty hair caught in a sideline hydrating fan.
There is a fair chance Stidham was a steal.
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Stidham has looked poised, as in the moment is not too big for him (yet), but he's playing against 2-3s and potential WalMart stockboys. But he has looked good so far.
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Well, looks like 2 years straight that the pessimistic among Giants rooters have been wrong about their draft
Too funny.
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You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
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You're declaring the draft a success after two practice games?
Why not? We are winning the Super Bowl after two practice games.
One would think declaring your QB ready should wait for, I dunno, maybe him playing against a first team defense playing its full defensive scheme. But what is the fun of that?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/us/new-england-patriots-patrick-chung-cocaine-charge/index.html
My understanding is that an alarm went off at Chung's home outside Laconia, NH, and the police went to investigate. While they found no break in, they did find some cocaine visible inside the home, but no people.
Chung owns the home, so the grand jury indicted him.
If the story as I heard it is true, then even if he is guilty he is likely not going to trial due to lack of connecting evidence.
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I agree with my fellow cartel member, the possession charge seems tough to prove.
Seems strange that someone would leave cocaine in lines, a pile, or a baggie, out in open sight for an extended period of time.
I suspect someone may have snooped illegally.
Pats D, looks pretty good so far.
As posted earlier, it looks like BB has built a team that can win scoring 20+ points,
Stidham looked pretty ok against 1s and 2s. Made some a couple of rookie mistakes, but not too many and was generally in control. speculation grows he may be the #2, and Hoyer could get cut.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850730-carli-lloyd-says-shes-gotten-inquiries-from-nfl-teams-after-hitting-55-yard-fg
I think at 37 she might have a hard time making a team, but if there are teams looking to bolster attendence, I could see them signing her. I would love it if somebody gave her a shot.
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I'm not sure the "37" is the issue on Ms. Lloyd getting a real shot at making an NFL team. Agree that it would add some PR buzz if she were given a legit shot to be an NFL kicker. I wonder if soccer goalies have the accuracy because elite goalies seem to boot the ball about 70+ yards.
I think the goalies could be amazing punters.
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Elite keepers. Ah, yes. Strong legs, they.
I will clue you in - directionally they are equally adept. And with either peg.
Would have been grand to have Carly say, "can I take one left-footed now?" - really leave their mouths agape. But she is ever so humble.
(sucks she sits for some of the undeserving lot that they trot out on the pitch in international play)
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At least I did not auto draft Luck.
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At least I did not auto draft Luck.
I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Wow.
That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
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Indy was prepared
Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table
Admirable
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
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Indy was prepared
Luck leaves nearly 60 mil on the table
Admirable
Aware =/= prepared.
I supposed it is better than unaware =/= prepared, which we see elsewhere.
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Tough break for the Colts
Sucking for Luck didn't end well
I wonder if tanking for "Tag" will work any better?
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
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Whisk - you want Chubb?
For...?
If I was drafting live, I might have taken Chubb over Johnson because I think Arizona's offensive line is abysmal, but I am intrigued by Johnson's value now that we have added ppr. Besides, I have now cornered the running back D. Johnson market. Don't want to break it up.
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)
Clogging up the middle.
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.
Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.
Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement
And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.
Meanwhile division odds come into this as well. Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted
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The trade Eli to Indy crowd has begun in NJ.
I think the Colts are OK, but thanks.
Interesting the effect the Luck decision/announcement has had on sports bettors/books.
Money flooded in in some locales on the COLTS UNDER 9/9.5 wins immediately after the announcement
And those holding OVER tickets of course are getting hosed.
Meanwhile division odds come into this as well. Its now probably the most competitive division in the NFL, - and Jacksonville, Houston bettors (to win AFC South) have of course benefitted
Unsurprising, really.
I would love for JB to set them on their ears.
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Yes. Unsurprisingly
heh
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27472278/patriots-c-andrews-season-jeopardy)
Clogging up the middle.
more like clotting up the middle.
get well soon Mr. Andrews
next man up
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t9P2B7NUPfM/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Yes. Unsurprisingly
heh
Yes. Unsurprisingly.
Since you seem unclear on the concept, I have highlighted my prior quote on the topic.
At least I did not auto draft Luck.
I guess you already heard this news. I had not until a few minutes ago.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850985-report-colts-andrew-luck-to-retire-from-nfl-in-shocking-announcement?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Wow.
That will shake up some expectations. The Jacoby Brissett era has begun in Indianapolis!
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Yes. The odds changed - unsurprisingly.
Lets agree to agree, Simple Josh.
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These new Pats sound like they suck
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
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I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.
As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.
If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.
Regretfully,
Josh
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
You can have Hashim Thabeet
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Depth.
You might get to see them for a few plays tonight.
I wonder if any centers get cut in the next few days, if the Pats show any interest.
Pats trade another 6th rounder to Bills for Center Russell Bodine.
I'm pretty sure he's realted to Jethro Bodine.
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These new Pats sound like they suck
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27486307/patriots-make-2-trades-bolster-offensive-line
Any large and essentially upright human who is not good enough to play OL for the Cardinals is utterly useless until proven otherwise.
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Happy 100th NFL
Pack @ Bears tonight
Bears -3
thinking about taking the points
KO Pool: Seattle or whoever is playing against Miami every week
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Hard to believe the Browns went.from 0 -16 to 15 - 1 in just two years!
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AB and OBJ can always open up a clown school when they retire
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Still not watching the games
But ......
Pack +3 sounds good.
Knockout pool:
EAGLES
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You taking a knee on the NFL this year?
Not watching and betting seems a risky strategy.
Good luck, Kap, err kid.
AB not working out so great in Oakland. Rumor is Raiders want to void the contract.
He was born a Brown...
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Yep. Said I was bailing after the egregious playoff referee errors. Plenty else to do.
No betting this year.
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same way I felt about the egregious election tampering made in '16. I swore off politics until we got the Ruskies out of our elections.
Thank gawd our president made that a top priority!
in any case you didn't miss much last night.
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Hard Knox
Raiders release AB
Just Win AB,
although its easier with a team and 30 million
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
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Makes me appreciate the intense narcissism and relative sa it of O J all the more.
I seem to have hit the space bar instead of the B. I would correct it but sometimes my typos crack me up.
I did a double-take on your take.
Its not often saBity is used properly in today's prose.
nice work oz.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
Or passes to him.
We are all Patriots!
I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
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NFL conventional wisdom seems to think BB can fix most headache players, and get them on the cheap and to perform.
And he's had hits and misses.
but IMO he passes on AB.
Or passes to him.
We are all Patriots!
I wonder if BB can work the Vulcan mind-meld on AB.
It's going to take more than a sharpie
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NFL picks on the way
Special feature this year - 4+ team moneyline parlays for a hundy. Play along if you wish*
Knockout pool here as well. Someone took SEA, I have PHI
The slate:
9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43
* for parlay, select the teams and punch them in at www.fanduel.com to get the payout
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Kid8 week 1 2019
9/5 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Packers 46 23-24
9/8 1:00 ET Minnesota -4 Falcons 47.5 27-21
9/8 1:00 ET Philadelphia -9.5 Redskins 46 27-13
9/8 1:00 ET NY Jets -3 Bills 40 23-16
9/8 1:00 ET Ravens -6.5 Miami 37.5 24-17
9/8 4:25 ET Tampa Bay -1 49ers 49.5 24-27
9/8 1:00 ET Chiefs -4 Jacksonville 52.5 27-24
9/8 1:00 ET Cleveland -5.5 Titans 45.5 30-17
9/8 1:00 ET Rams -3 Carolina 50.5 24-27
9/8 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 47.5 24-20
9/8 4:05 ET Seattle -9.5 Bengals 44 31-14
9/8 4:05 ET LA Chargers -6.5 Colts 44.5 24-20
9/8 4:25 ET Dallas -7 Giants 45.5 27-17
9/8 8:20 ET New England -6 Steelers 51 31-27
9/9 7:10 ET New Orleans -7 Texans 53.5 31-23
9/9 10:15 ET Broncos -2.5 Oakland 43 24-17
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AFC
E-Pats
N-Steelers
S-Jags
W-Chiefs
WC-Texans and Browns
Conf champ-Pats
NFC
E-Iggles
N-Packers
S-Saints
W-Rams
WC Seahawks Cowboys
conf champ Saints
SB-Brady v Brees
Brady
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Week 1 parlay
Eagles Browns Jets Seahawks
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I nibbled w/bar bets on iggles -9
Like the Jets -3 but kept ammo dry
go slow in week 1
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I'm watching the Jets-Bills game and it is awful! The Bills have given up 4 turnovers in the first half, but the score (with 38 seconds to go) is only 6-0 for the Jets because their offense has been so lame.
They might manage a field goal here, but... they might not.
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burned on a meanigless backdoor cover.
good start to the season!
heh
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Yeahhh....
Clemson yesterday. Eagles today
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After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
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Message to Jets and Lions -
Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.
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Message to Jets and Lions -
Keeeeeeep scoring, lads.
And the Clippers, though they survived, as the Lions may yet.
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Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1
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I had high hopes for the D, it looks real against a real team.
impressive 1st half
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somewhere in western Pennsylvania Franco Harris cries.
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total and complete ass-kicking.
only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?
any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.
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total and complete ass-kicking.
only one question for Tomlin why the fuck did you kick a FG at 20-0?
any chance that the Steelers had was kicked away.
He kept thinking that (a) his defense was better than it was and (b) his offense couldn't possibly be that weak. So, he bet that they would outscore the Patriots in the remainder of the game.
He was just the weest bit wrong.
But had he not kicked then, he would have been shut out, I suspect.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
I agree, though I suspect that he was going to get killed regardless.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree
3+7+3+7 = 20
Mike was trusting his defense. If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered
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Looks like 9-3-1, 6-6-1
10-3-1 straight
6-7-1 spread
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After running his big fat yap all off-season Baker Maybefield lays a big fat egg.
190 yards of penalties had more.to do with it than Mayfield. Stupid, undisciplined penalties.
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not going for it down 20 was both stupid and a surrender.
It made a 3 score game a 3 score game
it accomplished nothing.
worst case Pats take over at their 1 and Pitt probably get another shot at scoring.
but he rolled over there telling his team and the world "we can't make 1 yard".
he was probably right but it was a real bad look.
I suspect he'll get killed for that decision
Not a big Tomlin guy but I will disagree
3+7+3+7 = 20
Mike was trusting his defense. If he was wrong even the 7 would not have mattered
By kicking the FG he was tellling his offense "we cant get 1 yard"
By kicking a FG he was telling his defense, "I don't trust you to stop the Pats from their own 1 and get us the ball back"
By kicking a FG down 20-0, he kept a 3 score game a 3 score game (20-3=17 =3 scores)
he accomplished nothing except avoiding a shutout.
it was a poor decision.
7-7 in my ATS pool
got burned by backdoor with Philly and late meltdowns Jets, Lions.
didn't play any parlays for a hundy
good thing as week 1 is always bitch
How did your 4-team parlay for a hundy turn out kid, I missed your accounting for that?
heh
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
So I hear.
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
😁😂
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Bunch of Dolphins are said to have demanded trades after their... "performance" yesterday.
Management denied it.
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maybe the Pats can call in a favor and get some OL help.
Whats with OBJ and wearing a 350K watch during the game?
His answer to Tom versus Time?
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That's about your speed.
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that was a helluva entertaining game.
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Programming note: Heidi is on TCM.
I don't care what drugs she takes.
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Slow start to 2019
10-5 (winners)
6-9 (spread)
6-10 (O/U)
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You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.
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Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html
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You'd be in trouble if you were betting money.
Heh...
yeah, seems - week 1
Bettors of course dont usually wager an entire slate.
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Iiiiiiii....don't know about this one
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/us/nfl-antonio-brown-lawsuit/index.html
I hope there is clear, definitive evidence one way or the other.
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NFL Thursday 9/12
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay
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NFL Thursday 9/12
Carolina -6.5 vs Tampa Bay
27-17 (under 50)
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053773/article/aaron-rodgers-to-fans-dont-do-wave-when-he-has-ball?icampaign=trendingNews
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46
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the real Jets line is Jets +6.5
it opened at +2.5 but fell to +6.5 when the news of Darnold's mono.
thinking Balt for week 2 of KO pool.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50 27-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45 17-20
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48 24-27
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5 21-24
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47 34-21
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5 33-10
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5 24-17
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5 27-20
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5 31-20
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5 23-17
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5 28-21
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52 27-21
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54 24-28
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5 17-20
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51 28-24
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46 27-17
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout
by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.
4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1
good luck
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Kid doesn't bet on sports.
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But he talks a solid game.
I got browbeat by a couple of guys to take my Pats at -19
It could get ugly in the Miami heat.
Brady usually plays like shit in Miami, but I could see the D flexing their muscles against their former D-coordinator, Flores.
If the D has Brady's back, they could win this 21-0, or 48-0.
Went with Ravens in KO pool.
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3
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if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.
Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.
Can't wait to see them against a real offense.
Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
Knocked out.
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if Ghost hadn't sucked, (missed 2 XP and chippy FG) I would have had my 48-0.
Fins are terrible, Pats D was overpowering.
Can't wait to see them against a real offense.
Brady went to AB a lot early on and he had a real nice game.
The JV also did well, as Jimmy and Jacoby both won. So did the Lions. The Dolphins? Well...
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Knockout was STEELERS
4 team parlay for today (to win game)
Patriots
Steelers
Ravens
Cowboys
Pats at -3000 is going to kill your payout
by my calculations the 4-team payout (on 100) is 141, a 3-team payout (w/o Pats) is 134.
4-team ATS parlay pays around 12:1
good luck
141 is better
No matter
-200 for year
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I would live wager Eagles right now at -0.5, -116
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If my fantasy math is right, I will win if Ryan throws for 10 touchdowns and 680 yards.
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Yeah, once in a while we are gifted an easy one since we use the earlier line
Then again - its no given
Almost forgot KNOCKOUT
I will take..............
(Eagles used)
STEELERS
Knocked out.
heh
yeah - tough break for Pitt.
But typical Steelers - even with the injuries they had a nice chance late but couldnt get ball back from Russ.
Tomlin went for 2 early, down 21-19. This left them 2 scores down late. Mikey Miiiiiiike.
More:
https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-an-angry-airing-of-grievances-after-steelers-loss-to-seahawks/
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Surgery for Benny out for the season.
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Surgery for Brees also, 6+ weeks.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
I think they have lots of issues.
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Week 2
9/12 8:20 ET Carolina -6.5 Bucs 50 27-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Tennessee -3 Colts 45 17-20 W
9/15 1:00 ET Chargers -2.5 Detroit 48 24-27 W
9/15 1:00 ET Bills -2 NY Giants 43.5 21-24 L
9/15 1:00 ET Baltimore -13.5 Cardinals 47 34-21 W
9/15 1:00 ET Patriots -18.5 Miami 47.5 33-10 W
9/15 1:00 ET Cowboys -5 Washington 46.5 24-17 W
9/15 1:00 ET Houston -8.5 Jaguars 43.5 27-20 L
9/15 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -3.5 Seahawks 46.5 31-20 L
9/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati -1.5 49ers 44.5 23-17 L
9/15 1:00 ET Green Bay -2.5 Vikings 44.5 28-21 W
9/15 4:05 ET Chiefs -8 Oakland 52 27-21 L
9/15 4:25 ET LA Rams -3 Saints 54 24-28 L
9/15 4:25 ET Bears -2.5 Denver 40.5 17-20 W
9/15 8:20 ET Eagles -1.5 Atlanta 51 28-24 L
9/16 8:15 ET Browns -2.5 NY Jets 46 27-17
Browns gimme (?) for 8-8
14-17 season vs spread
19-13 winners
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
No.
Wait - what's the question?
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Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play
So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.
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Francesa finally gives last rites to Eli.
Just figuring when to bury the corpse.
After the bye. Want to suck bad enough to draft Judge Judy.
A year ago, we were told more than once that: "ISSUE WASNT ELI"
After all, 'dude won 11 games two years ago' (three, now). so how could it be him?
In 2019, is Eli the issue?
No.
Wait - what's the question?
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Eli has more class than BEN - or maybe HE would have stated that picking a QB round 1 rather than someone who could help this year was an improper GM play
So Eli's CHARACTER continues to set him apart.
Eli has a fine character, with the possible exception of his game/non-game jerseys. I agree that it puts him in a very different place than Ben.
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
Nor did things get better.
He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.
And mono? Hah!
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So far the Jets' best offensive play is having Myles Garrett rough the passer.
Nor did things get better.
He may yet do something to change this, but thus far the presence of Le'veon Bell is not striking fear in the hearts of NFL teams.
And mono? Hah!
.maybe, but right now he is all they have. He.is trying to carry the team and it shows.
I had mono as an adult. On my ass for.more than a month.
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G-Men bench Opie
Jones takes the helm
mono sucks-I had it in high school, every time I thought I was over it, it kicked me again, had it for almost 3 months.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
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Ok, slow start....
Tonight
Jacksonville +1.5 vs Titans
- under 40 20-17 Jags
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G-Men bench Eli
Jones takes the helm
I give Shurmur credit for being decisively non PC
Gonna go with Jones-Latimer as the new PLUS hookup.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
Pay the fine
Then pay the other fine
And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.
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Shurmur cancels Francessa interview
heh
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Francessa: "I dont take it personally...."
Followed by...
"Giants have become very good at hiding and very good at losing"
heh
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Mike: "I fired Shockey because he didnt show up"
Need a fact check.
Where's that Tara from CNN.com?
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/antonio-brown-nike-nfl-patriots/index.html
Nike ditches AB.
Can't blame them, though why it took until now is a good question.
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The article you linked to calls into question why they dumped him at all
But likely you didn't read it.
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Week 3
9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5
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Why do you spill so much cyberink on gambling when you rarely bet on sports?
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You should have me on ignore if you dont want to see the odds
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And miss out on laughing at you? Not a chance.
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20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under
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20-7 is about to be 27-14, killing the under
Or not.
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Didn't watch last night. I wasn't ready for a crappy game,
Heard Brady turned it off.
kicking it between Cowboys and Bills for week 3 KO pool.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/18/jets-jamal-adams-rips-league-fine-hit-baker-mayfield-browns)
Really, that's a foul? To overuse the phrase 'my sister hit me harder in the backyard', but fuck it's true. Thanks for turning a beloved American treasure into a fucking joke.
Professional football, and college football too for that matter, is really becoming a big candy-ass game.
Money. That all it's about anymore. FUCK YOU NFL I wish I could lay a real late 1960's/70's hit on every motherfucking one of you candy-ass suit bastards. Terry Bradshaw is turning over in his walk-in tub in an attempt to drown himself so he doesn't have to watch this shit.
Okay I'm done, carry on. ;-)
Pay the fine
Then pay the other fine
And keep paying if you want to add unnecessary hits for giggles.
What hit?
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
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AB C ya.
I feel cleaner already.
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!
If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.
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So much for.the Antonio Brown era in Foxboro.
Not a surprise, but he managed to get himself jetisoned pretty quickly!
If they had not sent him off, I would have lost a lot of respect for their ability to recognize a disaster.
AB's complete lack of self control and common sense was kind of extraordinary and will cost him millions and maybe his career.
he's a bad guy, with more bad just waiting to happen. I'm glad he's gone
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Went with Ravens in KO pool.
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
trend looks like Falcons, Eagles, or Cardinals in week 3
Only bird this week is me.
Almost took the Bills or Vikes but chickened out
went Cowboys in week 3 in my KO pools
1-Seahawks
2-Ravens
3-Cowboys
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9/19 8:20 ET Titans -1.5 Jacksonville 40 17-20 W
9/22 1:00 ET Green Bay -8 Broncos 43 27-14
9/22 1:00 ET Philadelphia -7 Lions 46.5 27-24
9/22 1:00 ET Kansas City -6.5 Ravens 55 34-31
9/22 1:00 ET Buffalo -6 Bengals 44 24-17
9/22 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Falcons 46.5 23-20
9/22 1:00 ET Minnesota -8 Raiders 43 24-14
9/22 1:00 ET New England -22.5 Jets 43.5 36-9
9/22 1:00 ET Dallas -21 Dolphins 47 35-10
9/22 4:05 ET Tampa Bay -6.5 Giants 48 23-24
9/22 4:05 ET Panthers -2 Arizona 46 23-27
9/22 4:25 ET Seattle -4.5 Saints 44.5 28-21
9/22 4:25 ET LA Chargers -3 Texans 48 27-30
9/22 4:25 ET San Francisco -6.5 Steelers 43.5 27-21
9/22 8:20 ET Rams -3 Cleveland 50 24-27
9/23 8:15 ET Bears -4 Washington 41.5 23-17
Good luck
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my bar buddies (one Giant/one Jet fan) want a shot at getting their dough back
I obliged them.
last week it was Pats -19
so this week we settled on Pats -21
Pats O-line depth worries me, but still have a hard time seeing the Pats D giving up much to a rookie QB.
Le'veon Bell will have a long afternoon
Pats 38-10
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
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Hahaaaa
Pick 6, Tom? Really?
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Oh...not Brady? Never mind.
Killed my 7-1...
Settling for 6-2 start to Sunday (7-2 overall)
8-1 winners.
4 upset picks late
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.
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Hahaaaa
Pick 6, Tom? Really?
It was Stidham.
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
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fucking rookies
should have been 30-0 shutout
D was awesome against a bad team
fucking rookies
I would never bet a spread that high.
I thought the line was ok, and the Pats should have covered easily, but
fucking rookies.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
Oh, but it wasn't all about Eli!
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Pats D has given up 3 points in 3 games
Pats offense and special teams have given up more points than their D.
😁😁
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
Oh, but it wasnt all about Eli
Winston usually gonna choke.....
but inspired second half play by defense, it appears
Oh - and of course the kicker played a part.
Good on ya, Jonesy. God speed.
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.
And you understand very little.
Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.
Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.
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that 4th and 9 play was brutal
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speaking of rookies
So starts the Daniel Jones story
and ends Opie's.
heh
I understand the hate
- but just takes one injury.
Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.
And you understand very little.
Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.
Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.
I agree.
Its obvious Jones adds a dimension and is an immense talent. As I have repeatedly stated, passing on Darnold was wise
Manning will be in the HOF. Just not yours. Glad you "like" him so much
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
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Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there. I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese. Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.
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I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.
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Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?
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Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?
I've no problem with Aikman as a HoF QB.
I would probably comp him more with Bradshaw than Eli.
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I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.
I find it amazing that according to the Eli defenders, with the brutal O-line he has had for the last 6 years, he can still walk, never mind lead the league in interceptions.
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I'm just being objective about Eli.
For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.
Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.
But he did it a long time.
15 years of mediocrity.
The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.
If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?
He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?
Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.
The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there. I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese. Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.
I think comping QBs from different eras is hard, but in particular, QBs pre-2000 and those post-Polian rule changes.
IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Eli has longevity going for him. Which is fine, he's been an average QB for a long time in the post-Polian era where passing stats are vastly inflated (and rules to aide QBs instituted) versus the playing condsitions of the guys from the '60s to 2000-05, period.
IMO its a different game.
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Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?
as a healthy QB-probably.
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
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IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Maybe. But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with (though Dawson mostly played in the AFL and they didn't get a lot of HOF guys) and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.
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IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.
Maybe. But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.
No question that Bradshaw etal played with a lot of great guys, and more than Eli. which may explain in part Eli being a .500 QB over the course of his 15 year career.
But the issue remains for 15 years and some 232 games, Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.
And again would this conversation be taking place w/out the Tyree catch?
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Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
Top top? Maybe not - and no shame there
Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?
Were Giants a better team that year? Were Patriots injured? Brain cramped? How about cheated?
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Didnt Tommy Boy have a chance to prevent that?
Were Giants a better team that year? Were Patriots injured? Brain cramped? How about cheated?
Kid Please don't compare Brady and Eli, it just magnifies your idiocy, which while it approaches the infinite and is statitically irrleevant, is of concern.
The question was if the refs didn't take a coffee break as Eli was about to get sacked by Seymour, and launched his wounded duck that an all-pro Harrison should have defended better, but was nonthelss snared by Tyree, would anyone in their right mind even consider Eli a HoF QB?
Just heard that Barkely has a high ankle sprain, the same injury that had Brady had in the '07 AFCCG, and that Barkely will be out around 4-6 weeks.
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Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
Top top? Maybe not - and no shame there
Top 50 player 3 times - in 8 seasons of the award - last at age 35
Only the top-top players make the HoF.
He was never an All-pro QB in his career,
Eli has generally been a middle of the pack (AVERAGE) QB for 15 years.
How many Hof QBs do you think have played over the past 15 years?
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Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?
what's the question?
Eli threw that pass.
Eli put Giants in that position.
Correct.
Manning should have been sacked five times on that play. His evasion of the pressure was remarkable. As was his quick decision to get the ball to Tyree once he scrambled to some open space. Tyree was open but well covered, and Eli put the ball high, where it needed to be for it to not be broken up.
The fact that it was caught with the helmet, not sure what that has to do with Eli. You might ask if a better receiver would have made the catch itself less remarkable. Doesn’t say anything about Eli’s efforts to get it there.
Hall of famer? I don’t know. Can’t imagine a less interesting debate.
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heh
its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.
TFF
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heh
its so uninteresting a subject, but one that NFL fans have discussed for years, that a poster who never posts in this forum, decides his fanboy homerism must be expressed.
TFF
I was curious to see any discussion of Jones, who had a pretty nice debut yesterday.
Then I read a poster making a misinformed argument, and thought I would correct it.
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I read your praise of Eli's mobility and scrambling ability, a trait that he has practically trademarked.
That was some pretty funny Onion-worthy stuff.
thanks for the laugh.
Jones? A nice 2nd half, and nice win, and gives G-Men fans hope and a reason to watch CBS Sunday at 1pm.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A
The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.
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Sorry for reminding you of the crazed killer Hernandez
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Oh, the pain.....
Check the escape and the accuracy on the Tyree play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGuTp9A9jw
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For Hamilton -
Ypu're a complete and utter MORON if you don't give Manning his due for that drive.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5wDbaVJ3A
The entire 2007 game, in case you forgot how well Manning played.
Thanks for proving my point about Eli.
The case "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on an improbable win in SB42.
And if not for Tyree's helmet catch...
and kid the game was 7-3 Pats at the end of the 3rd qtr.
It was a defensive struggle.
To put forth that Eli had anything but a pedestrian game, but with a 4th qtr comeback, would be a misleading argument.
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Needed a FG to tie
Incomplete
Sack
Incomplete
Incomplete
Brady was outplayed
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
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It is like reading the Nomar/Derek debate all over again.
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Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.
Hamilton say you're a Boston d-----bag.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well proves something about Manning
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
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Giants also had a fine coach who had a wonderful day - cant forget that
Hoodie? Not one of his best.
what does this have to do with the Eli HoF debate?
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Bank cant help himself, sticking by "Eli didnt deserve to win that day", rather than give props.
Hamilton say you're a Boston d-----bag.
Moron I never made that argument. Learn to read,
The argument made was without the SB42 win, the Eli as a HoF QB doesn't exist.
Don't say "hammy' 3-times, or he will stalk your kids for eternity.
he's a piece of shit.
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I love that Bank will be rotting for Dan Jones the rest of the way., thinking that anything Jones does well probes something about Manning
Kid you are beyond strange.
I'm wholly indifferent to Jones right now.
He's 1-0, with a higher regular season winning % than Eli.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
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By the way - the helnet catch hit him in the fucking HELMET, between 2 defenders. Did it not?
Nope it was wounded duck fluttering jump ball on a broken play, that Eli chucked and got lucky on.
Like I said, misinformed.
A jump ball? And you claim to watch football? Wow.
Ahh our disinterested fanboy moron chimes in with his impartial idiocy.
heh
I do watch football moron
So watch the highlights of SB42 that kid posted. After O'Hara horsecollared and choked Seymour, to get him off of Eli, Eli threw it up, it was a 50/50 ball.
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