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Title: College Football
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:24:07 AM
Discuss the state of College Football.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 30, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
Michigan is the State of College Football.  Michigan... State.  See what I did there?

The reboot means that the record of my correctly picking every single college football game since 2007 is now, sadly, lost.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: liquidsilver on July 30, 2018, 01:18:38 PM
Fear not I still have the database, haven't purged it yet
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 31, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
Fear not I still have the database, haven't purged it yet
Fake news! Whiskeypriest Derangement Syndrome! Rigged witch hunt!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Captaincargo1 on July 31, 2018, 08:36:39 AM
Phut tha wuk?!

The darned thing wouldn't let me in the usual way. So I had to add a number to my name. Of course there was only one number to use.

Although some would point out that my posts would sometimes(or always depending who was talking)require a number 2 designation.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Captaincargo1 on July 31, 2018, 10:21:30 AM
https://n.rivals.com/news/take-two-is-pruitt-s-recruiting-success-with-vols-a-surprise- (https://n.rivals.com/news/take-two-is-pruitt-s-recruiting-success-with-vols-a-surprise-)


THE STORYLINE

 
Tennessee continues to stay hot on the recruiting trail, and July was a particularly excellent month for the Volunteers.
First-year coach Jeremy Pruitt and his staff landed commitments from three four-star commitments in OL Chris Akporoghene . The Vols went to Florida, Georgia and North Carolina, respectively, for those three impact players and continue to haul in top prospects leading up to the season.
Tennessee is currently fourth in the SEC team recruiting rankings, behind only Alabama, Texas A&M and Georgia, the top three recruiting classes in the entire country. The Vols are No. 12 nationally.
This recruiting success comes with a new coaching staff in place - maybe a lot of hope is running through Knoxville - but also after the Vols didn’t win a single SEC game last season.
So, is Pruitt’s early success on the recruiting trail a total surprise?



Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 31, 2018, 07:06:41 PM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules)


College is supposed to be where the smart people are Shaw. If you and other schools aren't bright enough to manipulate the system then maybe you/they should get some extra tutoring. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
What're the odds tOSU does the right thing and suspends its head coach for enabling domestic violence?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
 They did.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 01, 2018, 06:28:57 PM
Kudos to them.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 06:44:58 PM
They did.

No. They didn't. Paid administrative leave, not a suspension.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ohio-state-places-urban-meyer-paid-administrative-leave-221320520.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ohio-state-places-urban-meyer-paid-administrative-leave-221320520.html)

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2018, 06:48:37 PM
So you want him suspended without pay? Punishment before conviction? There are contractual issues with that kind of thing.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 01, 2018, 07:23:39 PM
If he knew about it and said as much to the OSU brass he's probably as good as gone anyways.

If the OSU brass put him on leave without first talking to him there's maybe a sliver of a chance he sticks.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:41 PM
I imagine he's gone at some point.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse1 on August 01, 2018, 09:02:21 PM

The darned thing wouldn't let me in the usual way. So I had to add a number to my name.

I finally resorted to the same thing.  I tried to get on about once a day with my old login and it would not let me register a new user with the same name...so...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse1 on August 01, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
...and the reason this story could not have broken on Dec 28th???
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse1 on August 01, 2018, 09:15:59 PM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules)


College is supposed to be where the smart people are Shaw. If you and other schools aren't bright enough to manipulate the system then maybe you/they should get some extra tutoring.

Not sure I'm following your comment.  Shaw doesn't get to set his own schedule.  Or are you saying he should just do like the SEC and start scheduling easier cupcakes?

Personally I think he's pretty smart...
"How the schedule lays out may be more important than strength of schedule," Shaw said. "What I mean by that is, if you look at USC last year, to play 11 straight games without a bye -- all Division I opponents, no I-AA opponents, and play right into the Pac-12 championship game and win that one -- that to me is more impressive than just having a strong schedule but then having a Week 7 bye, or a Week 8 I-AA opponent, which kind of gives you a break."

Last season was the first since 1995 that USC played the entire regular season without a bye week. Its two losses were on the road -- a Friday night at Washington State, and Oct. 21 at Notre Dame. In spite of beating Stanford for the Pac-12 title, USC finished No. 8, right behind three-loss Auburn, which had a bye week between back-to-back road games against Arkansas and Texas A&M.


They only problem there is that he can't count to 12...which is the number of consecutive games we played without a bye.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on August 02, 2018, 02:45:37 AM
How do you put someone on ignore now ::)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 08:29:53 AM

The darned thing wouldn't let me in the usual way. So I had to add a number to my name.

I finally resorted to the same thing.  I tried to get on about once a day with my old login and it would not let me register a new user with the same name...so...

I found a way to go to my old login, go over and click on the login tab. It will take you to a different screen. Your old name and password will work on that screen.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24244718/stanford-cardinal-coach-david-shaw-says-cfp-look-schedules)


College is supposed to be where the smart people are Shaw. If you and other schools aren't bright enough to manipulate the system then maybe you/they should get some extra tutoring.

Not sure I'm following your comment.  Shaw doesn't get to set his own schedule.  Or are you saying he should just do like the SEC and start scheduling easier cupcakes?

Personally I think he's pretty smart...
"How the schedule lays out may be more important than strength of schedule," Shaw said. "What I mean by that is, if you look at USC last year, to play 11 straight games without a bye -- all Division I opponents, no I-AA opponents, and play right into the Pac-12 championship game and win that one -- that to me is more impressive than just having a strong schedule but then having a Week 7 bye, or a Week 8 I-AA opponent, which kind of gives you a break."

Last season was the first since 1995 that USC played the entire regular season without a bye week. Its two losses were on the road -- a Friday night at Washington State, and Oct. 21 at Notre Dame. In spite of beating Stanford for the Pac-12 title, USC finished No. 8, right behind three-loss Auburn, which had a bye week between back-to-back road games against Arkansas and Texas A&M.


They only problem there is that he can't count to 12...which is the number of consecutive games we played without a bye.

I'm saying he's whining. His AD and the Trojan AD had/have the same scheduling opportunities as the SEC schools that he is aiming his shitball at.

The Trojans took a chance and it bit them in the ass. Making those big OOC matchups means you have to actually 'win' those games. You can't get beat by ND 49-14 and expect to get in the F4 no matter how impressive your SOS resume is. Having to go to double overtime at home against an eventual 6-6 team doesn't help his whining case either.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
How do you put someone on ignore now ::)

Much easier to tell Ste...errr...them to STFU.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 08:51:35 AM
Okay back to the news of the week, will St. Urban resign or will OSU have to fire him?


I'm saying he resigns.


What do you think Skippy? (http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/NEWMAN_zpsnnzr3jik.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/NEWMAN_zpsnnzr3jik.jpg.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 09:00:15 AM
In fact we need to get a Poll going on this Scotty.

Something like:

When will the Buckeyes Saint Urban be defrocked?

x Today

x Tomorrow

x Next Week

x What's a frock?

x What the frock?


I'm as giddy as a schoolboy. I must stand on my head.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 02, 2018, 09:07:57 AM
Just Putin this out thsre: about yhis time last year people were asking the same question about Dantonio.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 09:18:09 AM
This Just In:




Our roving reporter has just discovered a deal in the works for Urban Meyer to relocate to a new place of employment:


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Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 02, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
I found a way to go to my old login, go over and click on the login tab. It will take you to a different screen. Your old name and password will work on that screen.

This did not work yesterday. But did today
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 02, 2018, 12:47:03 PM
Shelly is going to take the bullet for her husband as she is a school employee also.  She will be fired or resign and claim she never told Urban.   He will be reinstated so he can get back to winning OSU some championships
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 02, 2018, 12:52:19 PM
His AD and the Trojan AD had/have the same scheduling opportunities as the SEC schools that he is aiming his shitball at.

Ok, so your just saying they need to start scheduling cupcakes.    Ok that's one way to look at it.   The other is to tell the SEC to grow some balls and start playing a big boy schedule.  And to keep saying it over and over again until someone starts listening. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 02, 2018, 01:27:25 PM
Right now, Urban is being paid to be on vacation. Media should be hunting hm down. tOSU allowing him to skate.

WTF is with these Big Ten schools, the child, sexual, and domestic abuse, and the cover-ups?

PSU, MSU, tOSU...who's next?

Too much money in this corrupt sport.



Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 04:35:20 PM
Shelly is going to take the bullet for her husband as she is a school employee also.  She will be fired or resign and claim she never told Urban.   He will be reinstated so he can get back to winning OSU some championships

Doubtful that will work.

Urbie is gone. Matter of time. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
His AD and the Trojan AD had/have the same scheduling opportunities as the SEC schools that he is aiming his shitball at.

Ok, so your just saying they need to start scheduling cupcakes.    Ok that's one way to look at it.   The other is to tell the SEC to grow some balls and start playing a big boy schedule.  And to keep saying it over and over again until someone starts listening.


Alabama would have crushed Notre Dame. Texas too.

Sometimes one simply needs to use their noggin to make a decision. Sometimes all that fluff with numbers is just that. Fluff.

The Trojans played their own cupcake. But I don't want to get into another Northern Illinois pissing contest.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 02, 2018, 05:06:48 PM
She'd take a bullet? No. She'd be legitimately fired. As will he. Later on, after ensuring counseling, Michigan will hire Urban. Or the New England Patriots will.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2018, 09:54:45 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757232 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757232)

The football version Ball brothers.  Cool.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 12:37:33 PM
Wow, the Whatever "Massacre," Meyer is a seriously fucked up dude.

Laters, @sshole.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 03, 2018, 01:00:00 PM
Shelly is going to take the bullet for her husband as she is a school employee also.  She will be fired or resign and claim she never told Urban.   He will be reinstated so he can get back to winning OSU some championships

Doubtful that will work.

Urbie is gone. Matter of time.
I have not spent much time looming into the matter but I will make 2 predictions, the second of which I am 100% positive of:

1. OSU will not fire Urban Meyer.

2. Whatever OSU does the mindless reflexive OSU haters here - jbot, bosox, cap, cap's alter ego, etc - will criticize OSU regardless of their reasons, regardless of the facts, and regardless of their actions, well into 2020.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

My prediction that he will be fired based on information, not bias.

He's not a good person regardless of what sort of coach he is.

And that may not be uncommon, but his abuses of power are disturbing and well-documented.

I dislike Urban Meyer much more than I dislike tOSU the institution, but I'll cop to not being a huge fan or anything.

And, you know:

SCOREBOARD

31-0

SERVED
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 03, 2018, 02:00:43 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 02:14:49 PM
UM is the guy who protected Aaron Hernandez. And the guy who had 31 players arrested at FLorida.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 03:20:28 PM
Shelly is going to take the bullet for her husband as she is a school employee also.  She will be fired or resign and claim she never told Urban.   He will be reinstated so he can get back to winning OSU some championships

Doubtful that will work.

Urbie is gone. Matter of time.
I have not spent much time looming into the matter but I will make 2 predictions, the second of which I am 100% positive of:

1. OSU will not fire Urban Meyer.

2. Whatever OSU does the mindless reflexive OSU haters here - jbot, bosox, cap, cap's alter ego, etc - will criticize OSU regardless of their reasons, regardless of the facts, and regardless of their actions, well into 2020.

Well, I suppose all we can do now is wait and see.

And BTW you really milk the mindless reflexive bullshit way too much dude. Once in a while you might be believed. But with the frequency with which you pull that sword out and wave it about like a maniacal screwball just makes you look paranoid.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/Steve2_zps4xszmo8i.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/Steve2_zps4xszmo8i.jpg.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 03:30:14 PM
I never would have thought that Beanie was just a mindless reflexive OSU hater.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/former-osu-rb-beanie-wells-urban-meyer-should-be-fired-if-he-lied/ar-BBLqeWs?ocid=ientp
 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/former-osu-rb-beanie-wells-urban-meyer-should-be-fired-if-he-lied/ar-BBLqeWs?ocid=ientp)

Former OSU RB Beanie Wells: Urban Meyer should be fired if he lied.



“I think in this situation, you have to do what’s morally right,” Wells said. “That probably would be to make a change, if he did indeed know everything that was going on, and kinda swept it under the rug. If that’s the case you have to move forward as a University.”

It’s no longer about Meyer’s ability to lead an upper-echelon program. He’s proven over and over again to be among the most successful head football coaches in the nation. According to Wells, it’s more about optics and doing the right thing.


“I just think of all the women’s rights groups out there. All the D.V. advocates out there that would be against the University with him being still the head coach if he indeed did know what actually transpired.”

It’s becoming increasingly clear that those with previous ties to the Buckeyes program believe it’s time to move on from Meyer. Having starred for Ohio State from 2006-08, Wells is seemingly no different.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 03:33:22 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?


Paragraph 4.1 (e) ... “any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 03:40:28 PM
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1290895939629 (https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1290895939629)


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 03, 2018, 04:03:02 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video ... and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.
Project Veritas? I'd sooner trust you than one of their videos.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
Misogyny is another word you like to wave about. Odd that you are on the side of a guy that obviously knew about the abuse.

Maybe mindless OSU booster is a name we should be throwing at you. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on August 03, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?


Paragraph 4.1 (e) ... “any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ...
Don't confuse Jimm with facts
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 03, 2018, 05:22:46 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?


Paragraph 4.1 (e) ... “any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ...
Don't confuse Jimm with facts
Meyer’s contract extension included new language

Failure by Coach to promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator — Athletics or Ohio State’s Title IX Coordinator any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. For purposes of this section ... a “known violation” shall mean a violation or an allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause to believe is taking place or may have taken place.


There is debate over that clause being used to fire Meyer WITH CAUSE since the alleged abuse is not a TitleIX violation since the victim was not an OSU student or employee and the abuse was not the result of an OSU event and did not occur on on campus.

The lawyers will be arguing for a while.

TOSU does not need to fire Meyer with cause, but without cause will trigger a 40$million dollar payout.  About 40 per cent of the yearly Athletic Budget.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 03, 2018, 07:42:26 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied? Do you fire him for that, or just suspend him for, say, the first two games of the year? Is lying to the press rideable for a CFB coach?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 03, 2018, 08:53:12 PM
Actually, rethinking the pure monetary situation OSU is in. Without a smoking gun they probably don't do the right thing and dismiss him. Just too much cash involved.

I'm waiting to see if someone in his coaching family, past and present, breaks ranks with Meyer and says yes he knew about it. Perhaps all it might take is one of those wives to corroborate that yes her husband told her Meyer knew about it. Assuming of course the husband did confide that to her and her conscience won't allow her to keep silent. Possibly there is no smoking gun and he gets away with, what I believe is a flat out lie.


But right now, if everyone keeps quiet or avows the have no knowledge about it there's, I guess, a good possibility the dude gets away with it and my first assessment he's gone is wrong. AKA, I WAS WRONG. There's too much cash involved for them to do it I guess. Too bad because you just know if his wife read that text he positively knows about it.


 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 03, 2018, 10:55:42 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 04, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.
Yes, that was the statement I was referring to.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 05, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied? Do you fire him for that, or just suspend him for, say, the first two games of the year? Is lying to the press rideable for a CFB coach?

If he reported it then it's probably over. His excuse about the lie is somewhat believable. Maybe a token suspension, they've got a couple of patsies right off the bat anyways. 

But if that were the case, that he previously reported it, then why was OSU's reaction the way it was? Why not just quickly say the coach misspoke they have documents of it being reported by Meyer and accredit it to a slip of the tongue by Meyer? Simply say he got confused and move on? Does it take time to get this 'reporting' up the chain typed up? Shouldn't it already be typed up?

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 05, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?

I can't follow all the latest.  When he admitted knowing a couple of days ago, did he also claim that he "had" reported it to his superiors as required by Title IX
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 05, 2018, 09:13:23 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied? Do you fire him for that, or just suspend him for, say, the first two games of the year? Is lying to the press rideable for a CFB coach?

If it's just not knowing how to answer a question he wasn't prepared to answer, then I doubt he would be fired for that.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 05, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 01:00:40 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 02:14:08 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.

I do not read much into it or anything that has happened, except by my reading Zach Smith's career path now leads through the culinary world, specifically restaurants with "burger" in their names.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.

I do not read much into it or anything that has happened, except by my reading Zach Smith's career path now leads through the culinary world, specifically restaurants with "burger" in their names.

If he reported it and simply misspoke then the whole thing could have been cleared up by OSU brass in about 15 minutes just checking their records. No need for all the shit that spilled out from either the left or the right side of the Bull's ass.

But if the guy knowingly lied without needing to you have to ask the question WHY?

Well, maybe OSU fans, and you, wait same thing right, don't have to ask that question.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 06, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 03:52:27 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/24278244 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/24278244)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 06, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)
McCain proves my point. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 08:08:34 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 06, 2018, 08:34:26 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
which is?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 06, 2018, 08:41:46 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
which is?

Exactly.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 06, 2018, 09:23:53 PM
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700)
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
which is?

Exactly.
LOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 07, 2018, 10:11:58 AM
I think the longer this goes on without any significant public backlash, the more likely he will be reinstated.  There was a lot of press out of the gate, but It feels like it's way back on page 9 already
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
I think the longer this goes on without any significant public backlash, the more likely he will be reinstated.  There was a lot of press out of the gate, but It feels like it's way back on page 9 already

Yes, OSU got away with it. Smart guys there.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 07, 2018, 11:15:54 AM
I think the longer this goes on without any significant public backlash, the more likely he will be reinstated.  There was a lot of press out of the gate, but It feels like it's way back on page 9 already

Yes, OSU got away with it. Smart guys there.
I feel vindicated already.

I note your not waiting until all the facts are in before determining tOSU "Got away with it".
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Big rally for the downtrodden millionaire, highest paid state employee, football coach in oHIo, last night.

I mean, a guy who has been so beaten down by the unfair application of societal rules and mores deserves the local populace's support!

CFB, the MOST CORRUPT sport in America.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
I think the longer this goes on without any significant public backlash, the more likely he will be reinstated.  There was a lot of press out of the gate, but It feels like it's way back on page 9 already

Yes, OSU got away with it. Smart guys there.
I feel vindicated already.

I note your not waiting until all the facts are in before determining tOSU "Got away with it".

Well, if you feel vindicated then that's the really important thing. I'm sure everyone here breathes a sigh of relief for that and will all sleep easy tonight.

I've got all the facts I need. Meyer lied for no good reason. Usually guys that do that are hiding something. We may never know what but...

Wouldn't trust em as far as I could throw em.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 03:48:06 PM
As I said, OSU is smart and doing the right thing. Stall till we can get all off these stories straight and get the proper paperwork typed up and back-dated.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 07, 2018, 04:12:57 PM
As I said, OSU is smart and doing the right thing. Stall till we can get all off these stories straight and get the proper paperwork typed up and back-dated.
Thank you for proving me right.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 07, 2018, 04:38:44 PM

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/Steve2_zps4xszmo8i.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/Steve2_zps4xszmo8i.jpg.html)


Or something like that...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
As I said, OSU is smart and doing the right thing. Stall till we can get all off these stories straight and get the proper paperwork typed up and back-dated.
Thank you for proving me right.

Far be it for me to not prove you right. No need to thank me I have always been able to anticipate your needs. Besides you and James have always had easily jerked chains.


So rather thank you both for playing your parts most beautifully as expected.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 05:32:28 PM
Have I mentioned lately that I crack myself up? 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 07, 2018, 07:20:06 PM
Have I mentioned lately that I crack myself up?
Good thing. I doubt your idiocies amuse anyone else. Except, of course, your alter ego.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 07, 2018, 09:19:39 PM
Have I mentioned lately that I crack myself up?
Good thing. I doubt your idiocies amuse anyone else. Except, of course, your alter ego.


All too easy.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 07, 2018, 10:45:41 PM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 08, 2018, 12:13:33 AM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 08:44:25 AM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

Abusers often aren't. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 09:05:05 AM
There are lots of people out there that 'get it'. And know why Meyer has to be fired by OSU. To do any less puts a stain on the University. Paterno did worse and needed to be fired. Probably should have been prosecuted. But Urban needs to go for the same basic premises.

https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/ (https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/)

Urban Meyer’s social media apology for the lies he repeatedly told about a fired assistant coach's brush with domestic violence might have landed more believably Friday had Meyer not explained his actions with another lie just as fanciful.

“My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading,” Meyer wrote. “However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions.”


Not adequately prepared?

Urban Meyer?

The man who has won 73 games in six seasons at Ohio State, and all three national championship games in which he has coached during his career, is rarely, if ever, unprepared.

No, what drove Meyer to the brink of precipitating his own firing by needlessly backing himself into a corner with lies told consistently and firmly at least nine times in three separate press conferences over a single afternoon was more likely an overabundance of forethought and planning.

There have probably been many press conferences during Meyer’s 16 seasons as a head coach at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and OSU where he hasn’t been exactly sure of the initial question he would face.

But every Meyer media availability in Chicago carried the certainty of a first question related to the firing of his wide receivers coach, Zach Smith, the night before.

Meyer had one entire evening to confer with OSU crisis management experts and ponder how he would handle those questions about Smith’s dismissal.

Actually, Meyer likely had even longer to prepare, given that Smith’s firing had been a possibility since a report surfaced 11 hours before his firing that detailed his domestic violence issues in the past.[/] ...

...


Meyer’s supporters will, of course, defend this ludicrous excuse, just as they would laugh uproariously if Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio or any coach perceived as a threat to OSU’s on-field dominance positioned a similar fantasy as truth.[/]

...


“There was nothing,” Meyer said. “I don’t know who creates a story like that.”

For the better part of six hours, in front of a mass media gathering, again in a session with print reporters, and again in front of TV cameras, Meyer stuck to that outright denial and dismissive tone.

Here’s the exchange between Doug Lesmeresis of Cleveland.com and Meyer:

Lesmerises: “Are you saying you don’t know anything about that (2015 incident) or are you saying that never happened?”

Meyer shook his head as Lesmerises question began, as if to say  he indeed knew nothing about the 2015 incident. And then he said this:

Meyer: “I can’t say it didn’t happen, because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything. Nothing ever came to light. I never had any conversation about it. So I know nothing about it.”

Five sentences...three outright, bald-faced lies.

A follow-up question from Lesmerises brought this from Meyer:

“The first I heard (about the 2015 incident) was last night.”

Another lie.[/] ...



Only time will reveal the exact reason Meyer chose the absolute worst possible way to handle questions he knew were coming. Most probably, it was his belief his lies would never be exposed, because both he and Ohio State and every big-time college football program are very good at shielding themselves from scrutiny.

If all this leads to Meyer's firing, it will be a mammoth misfortune, prematurely ending a career that could leave him looking down on every other coach in college football as the greatest ever in his profession.

It will damage Meyer’s considerable philanthropic impact in Columbus and stop his uncanny influence helping players realize their NFL dreams.

And if Meyer is fired, it will be entirely of his own doing, because he had the truth on his side and simply refused to tell it.

Meyer’s own social media mea culpa now contends he reported the 2015 Smith domestic violence matter to his superiors.

So why not admit that when questioned in Chicago?

Why not say, “I knew about the 2015 incident and I reported it to my superiors. I told Zach if anything ever came to light about that and it reflected on our program, he would be dismissed. That happened this week, and so we had to part ways.”

Would that revelation have brought the mighty Ohio State football program to its knees?

Would it have damaged Urban Meyer in any way that would have exposed him to a possible firing?

No and no.

So why did Meyer not tell the truth?[/]...


It wasn’t that he came to Chicago “not adequately prepared.” It’s far more likely Meyer had pondered the questions he would receive for the better part of 16 hours and was exceedingly prepared.

And probably exceedingly ticked off he’d have to shine some light on the dirty laundry in his program.

That’s why someone puts forth a false narrative and sticks to it resolutely while given repeated chances to tell the truth or correct his earlier lies throughout the day.

Meyer is rarely thrust into such situations, and it’s hard to envision how he could have handled it more deplorably.

While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense, given reporters are the conduit to the general public -- there is an enormous difference between concealing which player will start at quarterback, or whether a tackle’s ankle injury has fully healed and repeatedly denying, and thus trivializing, domestic violence allegations against a staff member.

If Meyer doesn’t understand the difference, then his oft-stated core value of, “Treat women with respect,” rings as hollow as the only other core value he lists above that one, “Honesty.”
...
 



Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 09:07:15 AM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

Abusers often aren't. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.
Do you ever read ESPN's posts for context, or just automatically respond?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 09:13:15 AM
There are lots of people out there that 'get it'. And know why Meyer has to be fired by OSU. To do any less puts a stain on the University. Paterno did worse and needed to be fired. Probably should have been prosecuted. But Urban needs to go for the same basic premises.

https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/ (https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/)

Urban Meyer’s social media apology for the lies he repeatedly told about a fired assistant coach's brush with domestic violence might have landed more believably Friday had Meyer not explained his actions with another lie just as fanciful.

“My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading,” Meyer wrote. “However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions.”


Not adequately prepared?

Urban Meyer?

The man who has won 73 games in six seasons at Ohio State, and all three national championship games in which he has coached during his career, is rarely, if ever, unprepared.

No, what drove Meyer to the brink of precipitating his own firing by needlessly backing himself into a corner with lies told consistently and firmly at least nine times in three separate press conferences over a single afternoon was more likely an overabundance of forethought and planning.

There have probably been many press conferences during Meyer’s 16 seasons as a head coach at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and OSU where he hasn’t been exactly sure of the initial question he would face.

But every Meyer media availability in Chicago carried the certainty of a first question related to the firing of his wide receivers coach, Zach Smith, the night before.

Meyer had one entire evening to confer with OSU crisis management experts and ponder how he would handle those questions about Smith’s dismissal.

Actually, Meyer likely had even longer to prepare, given that Smith’s firing had been a possibility since a report surfaced 11 hours before his firing that detailed his domestic violence issues in the past.[/] ...

...


Meyer’s supporters will, of course, defend this ludicrous excuse, just as they would laugh uproariously if Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio or any coach perceived as a threat to OSU’s on-field dominance positioned a similar fantasy as truth.[/]

...


“There was nothing,” Meyer said. “I don’t know who creates a story like that.”

For the better part of six hours, in front of a mass media gathering, again in a session with print reporters, and again in front of TV cameras, Meyer stuck to that outright denial and dismissive tone.

Here’s the exchange between Doug Lesmeresis of Cleveland.com and Meyer:

Lesmerises: “Are you saying you don’t know anything about that (2015 incident) or are you saying that never happened?”

Meyer shook his head as Lesmerises question began, as if to say  he indeed knew nothing about the 2015 incident. And then he said this:

Meyer: “I can’t say it didn’t happen, because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything. Nothing ever came to light. I never had any conversation about it. So I know nothing about it.”

Five sentences...three outright, bald-faced lies.

A follow-up question from Lesmerises brought this from Meyer:

“The first I heard (about the 2015 incident) was last night.”

Another lie.[/] ...



Only time will reveal the exact reason Meyer chose the absolute worst possible way to handle questions he knew were coming. Most probably, it was his belief his lies would never be exposed, because both he and Ohio State and every big-time college football program are very good at shielding themselves from scrutiny.

If all this leads to Meyer's firing, it will be a mammoth misfortune, prematurely ending a career that could leave him looking down on every other coach in college football as the greatest ever in his profession.

It will damage Meyer’s considerable philanthropic impact in Columbus and stop his uncanny influence helping players realize their NFL dreams.

And if Meyer is fired, it will be entirely of his own doing, because he had the truth on his side and simply refused to tell it.

Meyer’s own social media mea culpa now contends he reported the 2015 Smith domestic violence matter to his superiors.

So why not admit that when questioned in Chicago?

Why not say, “I knew about the 2015 incident and I reported it to my superiors. I told Zach if anything ever came to light about that and it reflected on our program, he would be dismissed. That happened this week, and so we had to part ways.”

Would that revelation have brought the mighty Ohio State football program to its knees?

Would it have damaged Urban Meyer in any way that would have exposed him to a possible firing?

No and no.

So why did Meyer not tell the truth?[/]...


It wasn’t that he came to Chicago “not adequately prepared.” It’s far more likely Meyer had pondered the questions he would receive for the better part of 16 hours and was exceedingly prepared.

And probably exceedingly ticked off he’d have to shine some light on the dirty laundry in his program.

That’s why someone puts forth a false narrative and sticks to it resolutely while given repeated chances to tell the truth or correct his earlier lies throughout the day.

Meyer is rarely thrust into such situations, and it’s hard to envision how he could have handled it more deplorably.

While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense, given reporters are the conduit to the general public -- there is an enormous difference between concealing which player will start at quarterback, or whether a tackle’s ankle injury has fully healed and repeatedly denying, and thus trivializing, domestic violence allegations against a staff member.

If Meyer doesn’t understand the difference, then his oft-stated core value of, “Treat women with respect,” rings as hollow as the only other core value he lists above that one, “Honesty.”
...
So you think lying to the media is.fireable if the topic is important enough, or if the coach is trying to avoid negative publicity?

Same people had Dantonio and Izzo lead off with nooses around their neck last year. Because having a "hot take" has become more important than a reasoned decision when all the facts are in.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 09:34:43 AM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

Abusers often aren't. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.
Do you ever read ESPN's posts for context, or just automatically respond?

My first impulse is to simply tell you to fuck off. But I'll bite my tongue.

Sigh, I know he was right that the guy wasn't arrested. I'm not the friggin moron you continually try to make me out to be.

I simply said not arrested doesn't mean not guilty. And as such indicate thusly that any reported abuse would be investigated as a matter of routine whether he was arrested or not. As a lawyer you know that.

So, even if the guy wasn't arrested the point/question of Scotty's post still stands notwithstanding his error on the non-arrest.


Personally Scotty has a good point. The guy was/is a danger to this lady. And really that is what all of this should be about and why any lying on Meyer's end cannot be tolerated. He's got to go. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and integrity knows this to be true. Sycophants of course will disagree. Do you? 

You have often erringly called others here misogynists while implying that you aren't. It is now time for you to back that up as more than just talk. Step up or step off.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 09:40:19 AM
There are lots of people out there that 'get it'. And know why Meyer has to be fired by OSU. To do any less puts a stain on the University. Paterno did worse and needed to be fired. Probably should have been prosecuted. But Urban needs to go for the same basic premises.

https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/ (https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/)

Urban Meyer’s social media apology for the lies he repeatedly told about a fired assistant coach's brush with domestic violence might have landed more believably Friday had Meyer not explained his actions with another lie just as fanciful.

“My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading,” Meyer wrote. “However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions.”


Not adequately prepared?

Urban Meyer?

The man who has won 73 games in six seasons at Ohio State, and all three national championship games in which he has coached during his career, is rarely, if ever, unprepared.

No, what drove Meyer to the brink of precipitating his own firing by needlessly backing himself into a corner with lies told consistently and firmly at least nine times in three separate press conferences over a single afternoon was more likely an overabundance of forethought and planning.

There have probably been many press conferences during Meyer’s 16 seasons as a head coach at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and OSU where he hasn’t been exactly sure of the initial question he would face.

But every Meyer media availability in Chicago carried the certainty of a first question related to the firing of his wide receivers coach, Zach Smith, the night before.

Meyer had one entire evening to confer with OSU crisis management experts and ponder how he would handle those questions about Smith’s dismissal.

Actually, Meyer likely had even longer to prepare, given that Smith’s firing had been a possibility since a report surfaced 11 hours before his firing that detailed his domestic violence issues in the past.[/] ...

...


Meyer’s supporters will, of course, defend this ludicrous excuse, just as they would laugh uproariously if Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio or any coach perceived as a threat to OSU’s on-field dominance positioned a similar fantasy as truth.[/]

...


“There was nothing,” Meyer said. “I don’t know who creates a story like that.”

For the better part of six hours, in front of a mass media gathering, again in a session with print reporters, and again in front of TV cameras, Meyer stuck to that outright denial and dismissive tone.

Here’s the exchange between Doug Lesmeresis of Cleveland.com and Meyer:

Lesmerises: “Are you saying you don’t know anything about that (2015 incident) or are you saying that never happened?”

Meyer shook his head as Lesmerises question began, as if to say  he indeed knew nothing about the 2015 incident. And then he said this:

Meyer: “I can’t say it didn’t happen, because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything. Nothing ever came to light. I never had any conversation about it. So I know nothing about it.”

Five sentences...three outright, bald-faced lies.

A follow-up question from Lesmerises brought this from Meyer:

“The first I heard (about the 2015 incident) was last night.”

Another lie.[/] ...



Only time will reveal the exact reason Meyer chose the absolute worst possible way to handle questions he knew were coming. Most probably, it was his belief his lies would never be exposed, because both he and Ohio State and every big-time college football program are very good at shielding themselves from scrutiny.

If all this leads to Meyer's firing, it will be a mammoth misfortune, prematurely ending a career that could leave him looking down on every other coach in college football as the greatest ever in his profession.

It will damage Meyer’s considerable philanthropic impact in Columbus and stop his uncanny influence helping players realize their NFL dreams.

And if Meyer is fired, it will be entirely of his own doing, because he had the truth on his side and simply refused to tell it.

Meyer’s own social media mea culpa now contends he reported the 2015 Smith domestic violence matter to his superiors.

So why not admit that when questioned in Chicago?

Why not say, “I knew about the 2015 incident and I reported it to my superiors. I told Zach if anything ever came to light about that and it reflected on our program, he would be dismissed. That happened this week, and so we had to part ways.”

Would that revelation have brought the mighty Ohio State football program to its knees?

Would it have damaged Urban Meyer in any way that would have exposed him to a possible firing?

No and no.

So why did Meyer not tell the truth?[/]...


It wasn’t that he came to Chicago “not adequately prepared.” It’s far more likely Meyer had pondered the questions he would receive for the better part of 16 hours and was exceedingly prepared.

And probably exceedingly ticked off he’d have to shine some light on the dirty laundry in his program.

That’s why someone puts forth a false narrative and sticks to it resolutely while given repeated chances to tell the truth or correct his earlier lies throughout the day.

Meyer is rarely thrust into such situations, and it’s hard to envision how he could have handled it more deplorably.

While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense, given reporters are the conduit to the general public -- there is an enormous difference between concealing which player will start at quarterback, or whether a tackle’s ankle injury has fully healed and repeatedly denying, and thus trivializing, domestic violence allegations against a staff member.

If Meyer doesn’t understand the difference, then his oft-stated core value of, “Treat women with respect,” rings as hollow as the only other core value he lists above that one, “Honesty.”
...
So you think lying to the media is.fireable if the topic is important enough, or if the coach is trying to avoid negative publicity?

Same people had Dantonio and Izzo lead off with nooses around their neck last year. Because having a "hot take" has become more important than a reasoned decision when all the facts are in.

Hot take my ass, the lying is totally unacceptable no matter how he wants to aww shucks it.

Of course I think what he did is a fireable thing. Frankly given the seriousness of the matter I'm surprised you don't. If you were that woman's lawyer, or brother, or that woman herself no doubt you'd think differently. If you actually think, actually buy, that Meyer was caught off guard gee whiz shit, well, I find that hard to believe. I guess I really don't know you at all.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 09:59:10 AM
"The only thing missing from Urban’s statement and Zach Smith’s ESPN interview Friday night was the Ohio State marching band dotting the ‘i’ on lie."


Again, he's got to go.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-urban-meyer-urban-liar-buckeyes-domestic-violence-zach-smith-20180803-story.html (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-urban-meyer-urban-liar-buckeyes-domestic-violence-zach-smith-20180803-story.html)


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on August 08, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
Quote
While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense
    Perhaps he felt that it is not his responsibility to dispense justice in this matter. Maybe he is of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the legal system to deal with this situation. It might be that he feels that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Maybe he feels that it is not up to him to possibly ruin someones career and/or life until the subject is found guilty in a court of law. Why isn’t this in the purview of the legal system? Go to the police. Present your case. Insist that they press charges against this guy. If that doesn’t work sue him civilly. If he is found guilty by the legal system then it’s the duty of the university (or possibly Myer as the responsible administrator in this area) to fire this guy. Now, obviously, Myer pretty much tried to weasel out of this whole thing when it came to his statements to the press. But I could see how he might feel that this shouldn’t be his responsibility in the first place. Let the legal system dispense justice and if he is found guilty then dismiss him from his position.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
There are lots of people out there that 'get it'. And know why Meyer has to be fired by OSU. To do any less puts a stain on the University. Paterno did worse and needed to be fired. Probably should have been prosecuted. But Urban needs to go for the same basic premises.

https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/ (https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/)

Urban Meyer’s social media apology for the lies he repeatedly told about a fired assistant coach's brush with domestic violence might have landed more believably Friday had Meyer not explained his actions with another lie just as fanciful.

“My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading,” Meyer wrote. “However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions.”


Not adequately prepared?

Urban Meyer?

The man who has won 73 games in six seasons at Ohio State, and all three national championship games in which he has coached during his career, is rarely, if ever, unprepared.

No, what drove Meyer to the brink of precipitating his own firing by needlessly backing himself into a corner with lies told consistently and firmly at least nine times in three separate press conferences over a single afternoon was more likely an overabundance of forethought and planning.

There have probably been many press conferences during Meyer’s 16 seasons as a head coach at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and OSU where he hasn’t been exactly sure of the initial question he would face.

But every Meyer media availability in Chicago carried the certainty of a first question related to the firing of his wide receivers coach, Zach Smith, the night before.

Meyer had one entire evening to confer with OSU crisis management experts and ponder how he would handle those questions about Smith’s dismissal.

Actually, Meyer likely had even longer to prepare, given that Smith’s firing had been a possibility since a report surfaced 11 hours before his firing that detailed his domestic violence issues in the past.[/] ...

...


Meyer’s supporters will, of course, defend this ludicrous excuse, just as they would laugh uproariously if Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio or any coach perceived as a threat to OSU’s on-field dominance positioned a similar fantasy as truth.[/]

...


“There was nothing,” Meyer said. “I don’t know who creates a story like that.”

For the better part of six hours, in front of a mass media gathering, again in a session with print reporters, and again in front of TV cameras, Meyer stuck to that outright denial and dismissive tone.

Here’s the exchange between Doug Lesmeresis of Cleveland.com and Meyer:

Lesmerises: “Are you saying you don’t know anything about that (2015 incident) or are you saying that never happened?”

Meyer shook his head as Lesmerises question began, as if to say  he indeed knew nothing about the 2015 incident. And then he said this:

Meyer: “I can’t say it didn’t happen, because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything. Nothing ever came to light. I never had any conversation about it. So I know nothing about it.”

Five sentences...three outright, bald-faced lies.

A follow-up question from Lesmerises brought this from Meyer:

“The first I heard (about the 2015 incident) was last night.”

Another lie.[/] ...



Only time will reveal the exact reason Meyer chose the absolute worst possible way to handle questions he knew were coming. Most probably, it was his belief his lies would never be exposed, because both he and Ohio State and every big-time college football program are very good at shielding themselves from scrutiny.

If all this leads to Meyer's firing, it will be a mammoth misfortune, prematurely ending a career that could leave him looking down on every other coach in college football as the greatest ever in his profession.

It will damage Meyer’s considerable philanthropic impact in Columbus and stop his uncanny influence helping players realize their NFL dreams.

And if Meyer is fired, it will be entirely of his own doing, because he had the truth on his side and simply refused to tell it.

Meyer’s own social media mea culpa now contends he reported the 2015 Smith domestic violence matter to his superiors.

So why not admit that when questioned in Chicago?

Why not say, “I knew about the 2015 incident and I reported it to my superiors. I told Zach if anything ever came to light about that and it reflected on our program, he would be dismissed. That happened this week, and so we had to part ways.”

Would that revelation have brought the mighty Ohio State football program to its knees?

Would it have damaged Urban Meyer in any way that would have exposed him to a possible firing?

No and no.

So why did Meyer not tell the truth?[/]...


It wasn’t that he came to Chicago “not adequately prepared.” It’s far more likely Meyer had pondered the questions he would receive for the better part of 16 hours and was exceedingly prepared.

And probably exceedingly ticked off he’d have to shine some light on the dirty laundry in his program.

That’s why someone puts forth a false narrative and sticks to it resolutely while given repeated chances to tell the truth or correct his earlier lies throughout the day.

Meyer is rarely thrust into such situations, and it’s hard to envision how he could have handled it more deplorably.

While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense, given reporters are the conduit to the general public -- there is an enormous difference between concealing which player will start at quarterback, or whether a tackle’s ankle injury has fully healed and repeatedly denying, and thus trivializing, domestic violence allegations against a staff member.

If Meyer doesn’t understand the difference, then his oft-stated core value of, “Treat women with respect,” rings as hollow as the only other core value he lists above that one, “Honesty.”
...
So you think lying to the media is.fireable if the topic is important enough, or if the coach is trying to avoid negative publicity?

Same people had Dantonio and Izzo lead off with nooses around their neck last year. Because having a "hot take" has become more important than a reasoned decision when all the facts are in.

Hot take my ass, the lying is totally unacceptable no matter how he wants to aww shucks it.

Of course I think what he did is a fireable thing. Frankly given the seriousness of the matter I'm surprised you don't. If you were that woman's lawyer, or brother, or that woman herself no doubt you'd think differently. If you actually think, actually buy, that Meyer was caught off guard gee whiz shit, well, I find that hard to believe. I guess I really don't know you at all.
To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, it is a capital mistake to theorize without facts. You start to fit facts into your theory rather than come up with a theory that covers the facts. This is particularly true with you since admitting error is so difficult for you. When the story first broke you put yourself in a position where "fire Urban Meyer!" is the only acceptable outcome for you, regardless of what the facts will show.

Did Meyer follow the proper reporting policy? If the answer is yes, then your Old.West lynch mob mentality that decides, well, let's hang him for something else is not a mentality I choose to traffic in.

By the way, consider the possibility that our entire justice system has developed to remove the motivations of private vengeance as a factor. The question is not what would you want to do if it happened to you/your family member. The question is what is right. I get.that argument all the time when I discuss the death penalty. What would you want if it was your wife murdered, I get asked. I'd want a wooden post.sharpened and ramrmed up his anus and then raised up so that the weight of his body slowly works the post up to his vital organs causing him to die in unspeakable agony,.slowly. Preferably this soul take place at noon, and of July, in Gila.Bend.  THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

Abusers often aren't. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.
Do you ever read ESPN's posts for context, or just automatically respond?

My first impulse is to simply tell you to fuck off. But I'll bite my tongue.

Sigh, I know he was right that the guy wasn't arrested. I'm not the friggin moron you continually try to make me out to be.

I simply said not arrested doesn't mean not guilty. And as such indicate thusly that any reported abuse would be investigated as a matter of routine whether he was arrested or not. As a lawyer you know that.

So, even if the guy wasn't arrested the point/question of Scotty's post still stands notwithstanding his error on the non-arrest.


Personally Scotty has a good point. The guy was/is a danger to this lady. And really that is what all of this should be about and why any lying on Meyer's end cannot be tolerated. He's got to go. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and integrity knows this to be true. Sycophants of course will disagree. Do you? 

You have often erringly called others here misogynists while implying that you aren't. It is now time for you to back that up as more than just talk. Step up or step off.
Fuck off.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 08, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
Quote
While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense
    Perhaps he felt that it is not his responsibility to dispense justice in this matter. Maybe he is of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the legal system to deal with this situation. It might be that he feels that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Maybe he feels that it is not up to him to possibly ruin someones career and/or life until the subject is found guilty in a court of law. Why isn’t this in the purview of the legal system? Go to the police. Present your case. Insist that they press charges against this guy. If that doesn’t work sue him civilly. If he is found guilty by the legal system then it’s the duty of the university (or possibly Myer as the responsible administrator in this area) to fire this guy. Now, obviously, Myer pretty much tried to weasel out of this whole thing when it came to his statements to the press. But I could see how he might feel that this shouldn’t be his responsibility in the first place. Let the legal system dispense justice and if he is found guilty then dismiss him from his position.
I agree with one clarification.
Our legal system is not set up to “ dispense justice” but rather settle disputes.

Regarding the alleged abuses of Cortney Smith  by Zack Smith in 2015 there no such legal disputes.
The timeline as we know it:


In Nov. 9-12, 2015  Powell, Ohio police investigate a claim by Courtney Smith of menacing by stalking by Zach Smith.
No charges are filed,
but Zach Smith is issued a restraining order on Nov. 10. Courtney Smith files for divorce two days later.

Dec. 19, 2017: Zach Smith is given criminal trespass warning after reportedly making "harassment/threats" at 1:30 a.m. on Dec. 17.
No files were charged.

May 12, 2018: Powell police cite Zach Smith with misdemeanor criminal trespass after a dispute with his wife. The two argued over where Zach Smith should have dropped off his son. McMurphy reported Smith's driving into the driveway of his ex-wife's apartment violated the 2015 warning.

July 18, 2018: Zach Smith appears in Delaware County Municipal Court for a pretrial hearing related to the May trespass charge. Court records show Smith pleaded not guilty to the charge on June 5.

July 20, 2018: Courtney Smith is granted an order of protection against her ex-husband that prohibits him from getting within 500 feet of her. The protective order was filed in Delaware County after she claimed she feared for her safety.

July 23, 2018: Zack Smith is fired by Ohio State.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
Quote
While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense
    Perhaps he felt that it is not his responsibility to dispense justice in this matter. Maybe he is of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the legal system to deal with this situation. It might be that he feels that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Maybe he feels that it is not up to him to possibly ruin someones career and/or life until the subject is found guilty in a court of law. Why isn’t this in the purview of the legal system? Go to the police. Present your case. Insist that they press charges against this guy. If that doesn’t work sue him civilly. If he is found guilty by the legal system then it’s the duty of the university (or possibly Myer as the responsible administrator in this area) to fire this guy. Now, obviously, Myer pretty much tried to weasel out of this whole thing when it came to his statements to the press. But I could see how he might feel that this shouldn’t be his responsibility in the first place. Let the legal system dispense justice and if he is found guilty then dismiss him from his position.

I have no major problem with the boot it upstairs and let them worry about it, I did my job, defense. As long as he sees the next man up the line did their job too, and so on and so forth. When will Universities recognize that this is a serious subject and America will no longer tolerate it? 

No, my problem is with the lying.

It's unprofessional and morally wrong.

And worse IMO was premeditated. Maybe poorly thought out, but premeditated nonetheless. He's got to go for that reason. The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 01:42:05 PM
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

Abusers often aren't. Doesn't mean they aren't guilty.
Do you ever read ESPN's posts for context, or just automatically respond?

My first impulse is to simply tell you to fuck off. But I'll bite my tongue.

Sigh, I know he was right that the guy wasn't arrested. I'm not the friggin moron you continually try to make me out to be.

I simply said not arrested doesn't mean not guilty. And as such indicate thusly that any reported abuse would be investigated as a matter of routine whether he was arrested or not. As a lawyer you know that.

So, even if the guy wasn't arrested the point/question of Scotty's post still stands notwithstanding his error on the non-arrest.


Personally Scotty has a good point. The guy was/is a danger to this lady. And really that is what all of this should be about and why any lying on Meyer's end cannot be tolerated. He's got to go. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and integrity knows this to be true. Sycophants of course will disagree. Do you? 

You have often erringly called others here misogynists while implying that you aren't. It is now time for you to back that up as more than just talk. Step up or step off.
Fuck off.

I agree, always go with your first instinct.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on August 08, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 02:00:01 PM
There are lots of people out there that 'get it'. And know why Meyer has to be fired by OSU. To do any less puts a stain on the University. Paterno did worse and needed to be fired. Probably should have been prosecuted. But Urban needs to go for the same basic premises.

https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/ (https://1057thezone.iheart.com/featured/bruce-hooley/content/2018-08-04-meyer-lied-in-chicago-and-he-hasnt-stopped/)

Urban Meyer’s social media apology for the lies he repeatedly told about a fired assistant coach's brush with domestic violence might have landed more believably Friday had Meyer not explained his actions with another lie just as fanciful.

“My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading,” Meyer wrote. “However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions.”


Not adequately prepared?

Urban Meyer?

The man who has won 73 games in six seasons at Ohio State, and all three national championship games in which he has coached during his career, is rarely, if ever, unprepared.

No, what drove Meyer to the brink of precipitating his own firing by needlessly backing himself into a corner with lies told consistently and firmly at least nine times in three separate press conferences over a single afternoon was more likely an overabundance of forethought and planning.

There have probably been many press conferences during Meyer’s 16 seasons as a head coach at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and OSU where he hasn’t been exactly sure of the initial question he would face.

But every Meyer media availability in Chicago carried the certainty of a first question related to the firing of his wide receivers coach, Zach Smith, the night before.

Meyer had one entire evening to confer with OSU crisis management experts and ponder how he would handle those questions about Smith’s dismissal.

Actually, Meyer likely had even longer to prepare, given that Smith’s firing had been a possibility since a report surfaced 11 hours before his firing that detailed his domestic violence issues in the past.[/] ...

...


Meyer’s supporters will, of course, defend this ludicrous excuse, just as they would laugh uproariously if Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio or any coach perceived as a threat to OSU’s on-field dominance positioned a similar fantasy as truth.[/]

...


“There was nothing,” Meyer said. “I don’t know who creates a story like that.”

For the better part of six hours, in front of a mass media gathering, again in a session with print reporters, and again in front of TV cameras, Meyer stuck to that outright denial and dismissive tone.

Here’s the exchange between Doug Lesmeresis of Cleveland.com and Meyer:

Lesmerises: “Are you saying you don’t know anything about that (2015 incident) or are you saying that never happened?”

Meyer shook his head as Lesmerises question began, as if to say  he indeed knew nothing about the 2015 incident. And then he said this:

Meyer: “I can’t say it didn’t happen, because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything. Nothing ever came to light. I never had any conversation about it. So I know nothing about it.”

Five sentences...three outright, bald-faced lies.

A follow-up question from Lesmerises brought this from Meyer:

“The first I heard (about the 2015 incident) was last night.”

Another lie.[/] ...



Only time will reveal the exact reason Meyer chose the absolute worst possible way to handle questions he knew were coming. Most probably, it was his belief his lies would never be exposed, because both he and Ohio State and every big-time college football program are very good at shielding themselves from scrutiny.

If all this leads to Meyer's firing, it will be a mammoth misfortune, prematurely ending a career that could leave him looking down on every other coach in college football as the greatest ever in his profession.

It will damage Meyer’s considerable philanthropic impact in Columbus and stop his uncanny influence helping players realize their NFL dreams.

And if Meyer is fired, it will be entirely of his own doing, because he had the truth on his side and simply refused to tell it.

Meyer’s own social media mea culpa now contends he reported the 2015 Smith domestic violence matter to his superiors.

So why not admit that when questioned in Chicago?

Why not say, “I knew about the 2015 incident and I reported it to my superiors. I told Zach if anything ever came to light about that and it reflected on our program, he would be dismissed. That happened this week, and so we had to part ways.”

Would that revelation have brought the mighty Ohio State football program to its knees?

Would it have damaged Urban Meyer in any way that would have exposed him to a possible firing?

No and no.

So why did Meyer not tell the truth?[/]...


It wasn’t that he came to Chicago “not adequately prepared.” It’s far more likely Meyer had pondered the questions he would receive for the better part of 16 hours and was exceedingly prepared.

And probably exceedingly ticked off he’d have to shine some light on the dirty laundry in his program.

That’s why someone puts forth a false narrative and sticks to it resolutely while given repeated chances to tell the truth or correct his earlier lies throughout the day.

Meyer is rarely thrust into such situations, and it’s hard to envision how he could have handled it more deplorably.

While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense, given reporters are the conduit to the general public -- there is an enormous difference between concealing which player will start at quarterback, or whether a tackle’s ankle injury has fully healed and repeatedly denying, and thus trivializing, domestic violence allegations against a staff member.

If Meyer doesn’t understand the difference, then his oft-stated core value of, “Treat women with respect,” rings as hollow as the only other core value he lists above that one, “Honesty.”
...
So you think lying to the media is.fireable if the topic is important enough, or if the coach is trying to avoid negative publicity?

Same people had Dantonio and Izzo lead off with nooses around their neck last year. Because having a "hot take" has become more important than a reasoned decision when all the facts are in.

Hot take my ass, the lying is totally unacceptable no matter how he wants to aww shucks it.

Of course I think what he did is a fireable thing. Frankly given the seriousness of the matter I'm surprised you don't. If you were that woman's lawyer, or brother, or that woman herself no doubt you'd think differently. If you actually think, actually buy, that Meyer was caught off guard gee whiz shit, well, I find that hard to believe. I guess I really don't know you at all.
To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, it is a capital mistake to theorize without facts. You start to fit facts into your theory rather than come up with a theory that covers the facts. This is particularly true with you since admitting error is so difficult for you. When the story first broke you put yourself in a position where "fire Urban Meyer!" is the only acceptable outcome for you, regardless of what the facts will show.

Did Meyer follow the proper reporting policy? If the answer is yes, then your Old.West lynch mob mentality that decides, well, let's hang him for something else is not a mentality I choose to traffic in.

By the way, consider the possibility that our entire justice system has developed to remove the motivations of private vengeance as a factor. The question is not what would you want to do if it happened to you/your family member. The question is what is right. I get.that argument all the time when I discuss the death penalty. What would you want if it was your wife murdered, I get asked. I'd want a wooden post.sharpened and ramrmed up his anus and then raised up so that the weight of his body slowly works the post up to his vital organs causing him to die in unspeakable agony,.slowly. Preferably this soul take place at noon, and of July, in Gila.Bend.  THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

No, you miss the point as always when you defend The Big 10 with your no matter what mentality.

At the time of denial, he was guilty. He was obviously lying. And it was quickly proven that he was lying. He needed to go right then and there. So as the story went yes anyone would say fire him. Lynch mob my ass, he was dusted as far as I'm concerned as soon as the lie came out of his mouth and with the text corroborating that he was guilty. If I was an OSU booster I'd want him gone. You seem to think that since he apologized and admitted lying something has changed from that initial moment. Nothing changed for me and as I've posted a myriad amount of other people. 

I'm not talking law I'm talking the right thing to do. So don't bring your usual lynch mob bullshit lawyerspeak along to muddy up the water. That sort of sillyass bullshit you try never works on me ace. And as the story developed anyone should still say fire him. But maybe you don't have the moral center to really understand it. After all you are a lawyer.


Law? No need for that in this instance. The law doesn't say he can't lie and then later admit it. And the law doesn't say OSU can't fire him because of it. Lawyers are very good at talking out of both sides of their face. You dude, are a typical lawyer.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 08, 2018, 02:00:35 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.
There is no court case to be resolved.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 02:04:01 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on August 08, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
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There is no court case to be resolved.
If people are going to be fired and branded for life then there should be.
Quote
Namely that punishment is warranted.
Oh….I don’t know…..this sounds a little like the people who want to try and keep the old time concept of the student/athlete alive, when anyone who is looking at things in a realistic manner knows that the whole concept is only alive today in the movies. Everybody else who want to look at things in the way that they actually are today (particularly at the big-time football schools) knows that that stuff is dead and gone and is never coming back. Money-Money-Money….
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 08, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 02:38:24 PM
I sent my first payment off to Ann Arbor the other day and I'm now supposed to hate OSU.  So I'm staying out of this. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Quote
As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
No, they don't agree with you, de facto or otherwise, because your position is not Meyer's conduct was wrong and deserves discipline, but that Meyer has to be fired, unless you do not have an ounce of intelligence or are a sycophant. THAT is just you working a different factual scenario into your previously stated "he should be fired" stance.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:24:20 PM
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As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
No, they don't agree with you, de facto or otherwise, because your position is not Meyer's conduct was wrong and deserves discipline, but that Meyer has to be fired, unless you do not have an ounce of intelligence or are a sycophant. THAT is just you working a different factual scenario into your previously stated "he should be fired" stance.

Your post is pure bullshit, and sadly you are in asshole mode about this. So be it.

There are varying degrees of punishment. Fired is punishment. Suspension is punishment. If they support punishment then they defacto agree with me. The only difference here is the severity of the punishment.


Why you have to be a dick about it is, I suspect, because you are getting, as usual, the shitty end of the debate stick and you don't like it. Not my fault, get smarter.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
I sent my first payment off to Ann Arbor the other day and I'm now supposed to hate OSU.  So I'm staying out of this.

Probably a good call on your part.


So how's the Michigan thing going?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:40:54 PM
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As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
No, they don't agree with you, de facto or otherwise, because your position is not Meyer's conduct was wrong and deserves discipline, but that Meyer has to be fired, unless you do not have an ounce of intelligence or are a sycophant. THAT is just you working a different factual scenario into your previously stated "he should be fired" stance.

Your post is pure bullshit, and sadly you are in asshole mode about this. So be it.

There are varying degrees of punishment. Fired is punishment. Suspension is punishment. If they support punishment then they defacto agree with me. The only difference here is the severity of the punishment.


Why you have to be a dick about it is, I suspect, because you are getting, as usual, the shitty end of the debate stick and you don't like it. Not my fault, get smarter.
They would only agree with you if the issue isn't the extent of punishment. Since it is, they don't.  It is like saying if you agree we need strong borders you agree we should build a wall. Identifying a problem is one issue. How you deal with it another. Agreeing on the first is not agreeing on the second.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 03:41:11 PM
She doesn't start for a couple of weeks but is really looking forward to it.  I'm not (though I'm happy for her).   
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:49:29 PM
She doesn't start for a couple of weeks but is really looking forward to it.  I'm not (though I'm happy for her).
Oooh I have so much to say about this I cannot edit it down to a single post.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
Quote
As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
No, they don't agree with you, de facto or otherwise, because your position is not Meyer's conduct was wrong and deserves discipline, but that Meyer has to be fired, unless you do not have an ounce of intelligence or are a sycophant. THAT is just you working a different factual scenario into your previously stated "he should be fired" stance.

Your post is pure bullshit, and sadly you are in asshole mode about this. So be it.

There are varying degrees of punishment. Fired is punishment. Suspension is punishment. If they support punishment then they defacto agree with me. The only difference here is the severity of the punishment.


Why you have to be a dick about it is, I suspect, because you are getting, as usual, the shitty end of the debate stick and you don't like it. Not my fault, get smarter.
They would only agree with you if the issue isn't the extent of punishment. Since it is, they don't.  It is like saying if you agree we need strong borders you agree we should build a wall. Identifying a problem is one issue. How you deal with it another. Agreeing on the first is not agreeing on the second.

Who said they agreed with my actual form of punishment. All I said was they agreed with me that punishment is warranted. And in that respect they agree with me.

They agree with me that it was wrong. Serious enough to warrant punishment.


 It is not like saying if you agree we need strong borders you agree we should build a wall. There you are making a conjectural conclusion example that was never inferred by me. More lawyer double talk.

I admit you are very good at it, I've never said you were stupid. Just not good enough to get that shit past me. Why do you try?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

And there was no context lost. Jimmy mumbles a lot.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
She doesn't start for a couple of weeks but is really looking forward to it.  I'm not (though I'm happy for her).

They all leave the nest at some point bro. But I know how you feel.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 03:55:52 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

The posting Olympics are entirely in your head, which is probably why you think you "win" them.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
There you are making a conjectural conclusion example that was never inferred by me. More lawyer double talk.

A double-talking lawyer would use "implied" not "inferred."
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 04:02:13 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

The posting Olympics are entirely in your head, which is probably why you think you "win" them.

People don't debate just to hear the sound of their own voice. And yes some do it just to be an asshole. Although I suppose you could be doing one of those.


Or possibly both.

No matter.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

The posting Olympics are entirely in your head, which is probably why you think you "win" them.

People don't debate just to hear the sound of their own voice.
You think people (other than you) read their posts aloud when they type?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 04:51:04 PM
There you are making a conjectural conclusion example that was never inferred by me. More lawyer double talk.

A double-talking lawyer would use "implied" not "inferred."

Are ya helping me YG? :-)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 04:57:15 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

The posting Olympics are entirely in your head, which is probably why you think you "win" them.

People don't debate just to hear the sound of their own voice.
You think people (other than you) read their posts aloud when they type?

Yak about context and then take something out of context. You have no shame do you. You are the absolute king of bullshit, I'll give you that.

But here's a better poser for you. You think anyone(other than you[and Skippy]) believes your bullshit? 

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2018, 05:01:11 PM
Okay, I've had enough for today. As always I'll give you the last word. Have at it.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 06:55:50 PM
Quote
The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

It is Ohio State what? Please be more clear on that statement.

If you think I'm saying it is OSU that should be punished you are wrong. They've, on the surface, done the right thing. So far. I can't speak for what has happened behind the scenes yet.

If you are implying that I'm saying that it is up to OSU to dole out the punishment, then yes. You are correct for a change. That's probably just a blind squirrel nut thing for you though.

But I suspect you meant the former, as you are usually wrong and way off base in your own inimitable opaque fashion.
I believe the third option is that your opinion that punishment is warranted is because it is OSU in the crosshairs. Which was my reading.

Then you are wrong in your belief. I understand you want to believe that. I know you can't fathom anything else as a reason. That's a personal issue you'll have to work out with yourself.

If past precedent is any indicator I won't be holding my breath that you can though.

I suspect it is because you find me a challenge that you just can't seem to master. Don't feel bad dude, coming in second is not a death blow. If you'd only not let your ego get the best of you most of these exchanges wouldn't escalate to the STFU stage.
You are missing the context. In that post, I was pointing out what I believe espnstatevitale was trying to say in his post, since as usual you seemed to have difficulty understanding him.

Though this is probably as good a time as any to disdainfully chuckle at your belief that there are winners and losers in internet discussions.


Says the guy that usually loses.

The posting Olympics are entirely in your head, which is probably why you think you "win" them.

People don't debate just to hear the sound of their own voice.
You think people (other than you) read their posts aloud when they type?

Yak about context and then take something out of context.
Have I ever mentioned that I crack myself up? Take the bait every time.
Quote
But here's a better poser for you. You think anyone(other than you[and Skippy]) believes your bullshit?
At least as many (other than you [and your alter ego]) believes yours.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2018, 09:35:28 AM
Ut oh Scotty.


USC's Porter Gustin set for surgery to repair small meniscus tear


http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24324821/porter-gustin-usc-trojans-miss-2-5-weeks-knee-injury (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24324821/porter-gustin-usc-trojans-miss-2-5-weeks-knee-injury)


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2018, 09:48:40 AM
BTW Scott, are you surprised Helton has signed this kid and given him a second chance?


 http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24314985/usc-trojans-sign-ol-bernard-schirmer-punched-juco-ref-2016
 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24314985/usc-trojans-sign-ol-bernard-schirmer-punched-juco-ref-2016)

He has repeatedly said the punch was accidental. and looking at the film I can see how it was an accident. It looked like the kid punched himself, kinda like an MLB baseball pitcher did this year. And, to me, it looks like the kid's elbow KO-ed the ref.


Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1AFVvVzLo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1AFVvVzLo)

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2018, 11:21:38 AM
Anyone else just get a fake IM from Maximcgt?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 06:17:25 PM

Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

I will recheck.  I posted this directly after reading an article stating that he was
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
Ut oh Scotty.


Only supposed to be 4 weeks last I heard.  We're pretty deep on defense
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 06:21:20 PM
BTW Scott, are you surprised Helton has signed this kid and given him a second chance?


I am very surprised. While he was fully acquitted of punching the ref --it was called obviously accidental-- I saw a couple of shots of this kids twitter feed and it was not something that I was comfortable with.  Helton obviously has access to more info than I do though.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 06:34:49 PM
I see... there is even controversy regarding whether or not he was arrested...  funny stuff going on indeed.
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/06/police-zach-smith-never-arrested-in-2015/ (https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/06/police-zach-smith-never-arrested-in-2015/)

What really surprises me though is that in that post I was trying give Urban Meyer the benefit of the doubt and you told me to get my facts straight.  Funny Stuff all around.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
here's the story i read last week when it was being speculated that we would sign him...

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/)

From Helton:

"He's a young man from Mt. SAC that we learned about in spring recruiting. We knew his history with an in-game incident that he had to pay penance for. We vetted for three months this individual, talking with administrators at Mt. SAC, coaches, counselors and also had a chance to sit down with his family over the summer," said Helton. "What we learned from the administrators, coaches and counselors is that we were dealing with a tremendous young man, a young man that is a tremendous student, great person and a guy that we had no question would be a great member of our Trojan family.....we listed the expectations that we expect for Bernard and we understand that he knows those expectations and he will do a great job here as a Trojan. We are very excited."

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2018, 07:11:03 PM

Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

I will recheck.  I posted this directly after reading an article stating that he was

It was originally reported that he was arrested but that later changed Scotty. But the fact that he wasn't arrested doesn't mean squat and it was just Skip showing off. The point of your post still stands that their would be an investigation. There's always an investigation for claimed domestic violence, How thorough that 'investigation' is though varies with police depts. Some are better than others. Sometimes it ends with the officers leaving and filing a report at the station, Other times it's more thorough.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 07:29:52 PM
here's the story i read last week when it was being speculated that we would sign him...

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/)

From Helton:

"He's a young man from Mt. SAC that we learned about in spring recruiting. We knew his history with an in-game incident that he had to pay penance for. We vetted for three months this individual, talking with administrators at Mt. SAC, coaches, counselors and also had a chance to sit down with his family over the summer," said Helton. "What we learned from the administrators, coaches and counselors is that we were dealing with a tremendous young man, a young man that is a tremendous student, great person and a guy that we had no question would be a great member of our Trojan family.....we listed the expectations that we expect for Bernard and we understand that he knows those expectations and he will do a great job here as a Trojan. We are very excited."
Wouldn't it have been easier if he just said "we think he can help us win some games"?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Wouldn't it have been easier if he just said "we think he can help us win some games"?

Definitely easier and perhaps more genuine. 

I do tend to think Helton is an upright guy, but I will be watching this one very closely.  Kid will be on a short leash.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 07:37:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014)

OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...

14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014)

OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...

14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.

Interesting read.

Once again I ask, so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 09, 2018, 09:13:41 PM
so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.

I have mixed feelings on it.  When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report.  I'm not sure it would have helped the lady in any way if he did.

And while it is easy to think a cover up may be happening, I also know there is really no way to keep that quiet in the long run.  If the folks at OSU are trying to create a fake paper trail, their punishment in the long term when that came out would be much, much worse.  And they are certainly smart enough to understand that...so I tend to doubt it is happening that way.

...now marketing to public opinion is another matter.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 09:44:57 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014)

OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...

14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.

Interesting read.

Once again I ask, so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.
For what it is worth I found his explanation for the lie unpersuasive. But if he followed the proper reporting policy he will not.get.fired, and should not.

It may be as.simple as putting the story behind him without subjecting OSU to additional lingering scrutiny about their response. A response which is really lacking in the current zeitgiest.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 09, 2018, 10:50:48 PM
so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.

I have mixed feelings on it.  When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report. 
There is none.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 12:28:39 AM

There is none.

The ability to nitpick on semantics and contradict everything someone else says is not really a life skill. 

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 12:29:14 AM
Yes it is...


Just thought I would save you the trouble.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 01:52:09 AM
Yes it is...


Just thought I would save you the trouble.
Suit yourself.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 08:34:49 AM

There is none.

The ability to nitpick on semantics and contradict everything someone else says is not really a life skill.
I wasted three years and $100,000 in early 80s dollars then.

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.

I have mixed feelings on it.  When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report.  I'm not sure it would have helped the lady in any way if he did.

And while it is easy to think a cover up may be happening, I also know there is really no way to keep that quiet in the long run.  If the folks at OSU are trying to create a fake paper trail, their punishment in the long term when that came out would be much, much worse.  And they are certainly smart enough to understand that...so I tend to doubt it is happening that way.

...now marketing to public opinion is another matter.

Hell, maybe it's as simple as Meyer really is just that stupid. Or arrogant. Or both.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 10:00:02 AM

There is none.

The ability to nitpick on semantics and contradict everything someone else says is not really a life skill.

LOL

Hasan CHOP!

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 10:23:21 AM
so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.

I have mixed feelings on it.  When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report.


I think his contract requires him to report it. Title IX doesn't.

Going by that I assume if he knew his neighbor was abusing his wife he would also be obligated, under his contract, to report that too. But I could be wrong.

The bigger question is what the next guy up the chain is required to do. I'm assuming the OSU policy requires him to boot it upstairs too.


And the biggest question then would be when it gets to Olympus what happens then?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 10:40:31 AM

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him? There is certainly no crime involved on his part.  Just public opinion?  If so, they are proceeding just as you would expect.   Like I said originally -- I fully expect him to be back on the job soon.

...I can hear Casey asking ...then why did he lie?    The only reason seems to be one of character. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 10:44:23 AM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014)

OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...

14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.




Interesting read.

Once again I ask, so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.
For what it is worth I found his explanation for the lie unpersuasive. But if he followed the proper reporting policy he will not.get.fired, and should not.

It may be as.simple as putting the story behind him without subjecting OSU to additional lingering scrutiny about their response. A response which is really lacking in the current zeitgeist.

Fair enough.


As to the should not get fired we disagree. That much is obvious to anyone here that isn't comatose. Anyone seen JB lately BTW?

And also, 'for what it's worth',

Meyer can also be fired for an act that puts either him or the university: “into public disrepute, embarrassment, contempt, scandal or ridicule or failure by Coach to conform Coach's personal conduct to conventional and contemporary standards of good citizenship, with such conduct offending prevailing social mores and values and/or reflecting unfavorably upon Ohio State's reputation and overall primary mission and objectives, including but not limited to, acts of dishonesty, misrepresentation, fraud or violence that may or may not warrant criminal prosecution by the relevant authorities.”


zeitgeist, funny shit.

The 100k$ joke was funny too.


You're still a dick.



Sometimes.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 10:57:27 AM

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him?
 
They didn’t.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 11:15:52 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/nitpick_med_zpsqodz9vyg.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/nitpick_med_zpsqodz9vyg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 11:22:59 AM

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him?
 
They didn’t.
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 11:52:22 AM


They didn’t.

Again, ludicrous semantics on your part.

It makes you appear petty.  Is that your intention?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 11:52:33 AM

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him?
 
They didn’t.
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.
The point is Meyer was not suspended.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 11:53:21 AM


They didn’t.

Again, ludicrous semantics on your part.

It makes you appear petty.  Is that your intention?
My intention is argue facts.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 11:56:24 AM
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.

he knew that.  He is making the point that "officially" it is a paid leave...and not a suspension.   The word suspend, means "pause" and often that is what a suspension is for - to put everything on hold while investigating...so to a reasonable person it is basically the same thing...but he is right that there are nuances and shades of grey.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 12:19:21 PM

My intention is argue facts.

Then it's just a side effect
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 12:50:23 PM
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.

he knew that.  He is making the point that "officially" it is a paid leave...and not a suspension.   
Really? Jesus, even I think that's undue nit picking.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 01:07:15 PM

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him?
 
They didn’t.
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.
The point is Meyer was not suspended.

Give yourself a gold star.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 01:13:54 PM
I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.

he knew that.  He is making the point that "officially" it is a paid leave...and not a suspension.   
Really? Jesus, even I think that's undue nit picking.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/fainted_zps1yznrmr0.png) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/fainted_zps1yznrmr0.png.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 10, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
Okay, I'm awake again.

I read something I couldn't believe I thought I read, wait....



(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm198/kioch1/fainted_zps1yznrmr0.png) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/kioch1/media/fainted_zps1yznrmr0.png.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 02:21:24 PM


They didn’t.

Again, ludicrous semantics on your part.

It makes you appear petty.  Is that your intention?
My intention is argue.
FIFY.

https://youtu.be/wxrbOVeRonQ (https://youtu.be/wxrbOVeRonQ)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 05:43:21 PM
How young those guys all look now.   I have not seen that clip in a good many years.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
How young those guys all look now.   I have not seen that clip in a good many years.
Saw an interview with Cleese where be talked about how odd it was that people still ask him about nearly 50 year old comedy routines. Which made me realize how damned old I am, and also how timeless many of those bits are.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
Monty Python was like the little girl with the curl.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 07:17:26 PM
 Well it looks like the clock is ticking on DJ Durkin. May have to rethink my interest in college football. Tired of jerks running programs
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 08:47:43 PM
Well it looks like the clock is ticking on DJ Durkin. May have to rethink my interest in college football. Tired of jerks running programs
October 6 is a date you should mark on your calendar then.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
Yep. Maryland is everybody's homecoming game team of choice. Interesting thing, students at Maryland don't have to pay to go to games at Byrd (there's an athletic fee paid wiith tuition but it's minimal). At Michigan the students pay for each game's ticket (I presume that's the wayvat most "football schools")." Despite not knowing anything about football and caring even less, my daughter bought the tickets.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:07:16 PM
I'm watching Orioles-Red Sox game and in an interesting coincidence an ad for Maryland football tickets came on. One of the lines in the ad was "Game times to be announced; what time can you get here?"
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 10, 2018, 09:17:17 PM
Yep. Maryland is everybody's homecoming game team of choice. Interesting thing, students at Maryland don't have to pay to go to games at Byrd (there's an athletic fee paid wiith tuition but it's minimal). At Michigan the students pay for each game's ticket (I presume that's the wayvat most "football schools")." Despite not knowing anything about football and caring even less, my daughter bought the tickets.
Nice.
At least she paid for them
Not the taxpayers.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 10, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
  At Michigan the students pay for each game's ticket (I presume that's the wayvat most "football schools")."

USC sells a student athletics package that includes all home games and basketball games for a reasonable price.  There is a "student section" that is basically first come first served.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:36:54 PM
Football, basketball and hockey tix all go for $175 each for the season. Not terrible.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 11, 2018, 09:20:07 AM
My recollection is half price tickets.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 11, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
Well it looks like the clock is ticking on DJ Durkin. May have to rethink my interest in college football. Tired of jerks running programs

Just read the ESPN article.  Sounds like it was definitely an old school approach...  I think there was a movie on Bear Bryant's early coaching and it sounds a bit like that--where they almost want kids throwing up to toughen them up.  Just doesn't fit with today's values and then obviously you run the risk of an outlier incident like McNair.  A real tragedy there.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 11, 2018, 01:16:35 PM


They didn’t.

Again, ludicrous semantics on your part.

It makes you appear petty.  Is that your intention?
My intention is argue.
FIFY.


Argue?
In a College Football Chat Room?
You can’t be serious.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 11, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
Durkin suspended...or put on leave if you prefer
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 14, 2018, 12:07:11 AM
Did SUBURBAN LIAR, or C.H.U.D....

resign yet...I was distracted by golf...,

...just when you thought the SEC (FLA, et. al.) had a franchise on mental and physical abuse of men whose meals depend on compliance with Sadists, when they are allowed to hydrate, funny that hydration or lack thereof separates the pussies from the “men”...

...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.

Thanks, CHUD, and FUCK YOU!!!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 08:13:00 AM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 14, 2018, 11:24:17 AM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.


Right, Urban doesn't need anyone to make excuses for him. He makes his own.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 12:17:26 PM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.


Right, Urban doesn't need anyone to make excuses for him. He makes his own.
The person my post recerenced by implication is D. J. Durkin and the program is Maryland. But scratch that itch.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 14, 2018, 02:17:55 PM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.


Right, Urban doesn't need anyone to make excuses for him. He makes his own.
The person my post recerenced by implication is D. J. Durkin and the program is Maryland. But scratch that itch.

Yes, I know who you were recerencing.

But I saw the words make excuses and immediately thought of St. Urban.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 02:22:46 PM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.


Right, Urban doesn't need anyone to make excuses for him. He makes his own.
The person my post recerenced by implication is D. J. Durkin and the program is Maryland. But scratch that itch.

Yes, I know who you were recerencing.

But I saw the words make excuses and immediately thought of St. Urban.
Like I said, scratch that itch. You are like RedDickJimmThree over in the politics forum, who eventually brings every discussion around to Hillary Clinton, regardless of where it started. Or Mr. Dick, who can't keep King Charles's head out of his own, or out of his Memorial.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 14, 2018, 05:51:42 PM


...well, now the BIGSMALLs and TOSU/MD have really lost the plot on sports...a shame, that you spend a summer with a joke of a president and can’t shift focus to football without realizing that everything is depressing and sad.
Should have left Maryland back in the minor leagues of CFB where they fit in and you would make excuses for them.


Right, Urban doesn't need anyone to make excuses for him. He makes his own.
The person my post recerenced by implication is D. J. Durkin and the program is Maryland. But scratch that itch.

Yes, I know who you were recerencing.

But I saw the words make excuses and immediately thought of St. Urban.
Like I said, scratch that itch. You are like RedDickJimmThree over in the politics forum, who eventually brings every discussion around to Hillary Clinton, regardless of where it started. Or Mr. Dick, who can't keep King Charles's head out of his own, or out of his Memorial.

Yes, every discussion I have is about OSU and Urban Meyer. How very asstoot of you to say that.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 14, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
Has it been 14 days yet?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 14, 2018, 10:02:20 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-urban-meyer-ohio-state-investigation-20180814-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-urban-meyer-ohio-state-investigation-20180814-story.html)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 08:54:35 AM
https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse (https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse)

At the moment the count is 70.6 to 29.4
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse (https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse)

At the moment the count is 70.6 to 29.4
Scratch that itch.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 09:35:31 AM
https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse (https://thetylt.com/sports/ohio-state-urban-meyer-fire-zach-smith-domestic-abuse)

At the moment the count is 70.6 to 29.4
Scratch that itch.

Keep asstootin.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-football-news/brett-mcmurphy-polled-16-ads-on-whether-they-think-urban-meyer-will-be-fired (https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-football-news/brett-mcmurphy-polled-16-ads-on-whether-they-think-urban-meyer-will-be-fired)

Unsurprisingly, the decisions were mixed. The answers ranged from “there’s no way you can keep him” to “I think they will keep him if they can’t 100 percent fire with cause.”
...


...Most of the 16 ADs believe Meyer will not remain the head coach at Ohio State, though many left it up to the investigative process


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
Meyer is a much closer case than Durkin who I assume has his bags packed already
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
Doyel: Urban Meyer will be fired unless Ohio State values winning above truth

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2018/08/04/urban-meyer-fired-unless-ohio-state-values-winning-above-truth/907484002/ (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2018/08/04/urban-meyer-fired-unless-ohio-state-values-winning-above-truth/907484002/)


"...Or not.

Ohio State will not fire Urban Meyer because he has admitted his mistake, admitted his lie, learned his lesson, surely won’t ever do that again. Ohio State will not fire Meyer because he did, ultimately, do the right thing when he fired Smith on July 23 after a report surfaced about a pattern of domestic violence allegations against Smith. And Meyer did, ultimately, do the right thing by clarifying what he knew about the 2015 allegation and when he knew it.

Also, Ohio State will not fire Urban Meyer because he is the second-most successful coach in college football, behind only Alabama’s Nick Saban, and because Ohio State needs Meyer’s football program to generate enough money to fund just about every other sport on campus – and because Meyer’s $90 million football program does it. Ohio State will not fire Meyer because the school cannot simply replace a force of nature like this, not with any reasonable expectation of staying among the top five programs in college football.

Unless Ohio State decides winning isn’t everything.



In which case, Ohio State will fire Meyer because he didn’t merely tell a lie. What he did was so much worse. What he did was take a known allegation of domestic violence – known to him, because the alleged perpetrator, Zach Smith, had told him about it in 2015 – and pretended it never happened.

Insisted it never happened.

Ohio State will fire Urban Meyer because he took a page out of the Lance Armstrong Liar’s Playbook and went far beyond lying to protect himself. Ohio State will fire Meyer because, when he lied at Big Ten media day about the 2015 incident, he turned the tables on his accusers – and undermined the alleged victim, Courtney Smith – by saying: “There’s nothing … I don’t know who would make a story like that.”

Meyer lied so forcefully, he made whoever was telling the truth out to be the bad guy.

That’s why Ohio State will fire Meyer, and not because – though it really deserves to be mentioned – he has a track record of talking tough about domestic violence and swinging a very small stick





Remember Meyer’s reign of terror at Florida, where dozens of his players were arrested – literally, more than 30 Gators were arrested in his six years there  –including a running back named Chris Rainey, who was charged with aggravated stalking after he texted a woman that it was “time to die.”

Meyer let Rainey play again because Rainey was fast. And fast players beat less fast players. Florida didn't fire Meyer for that egregious lack of human decency because Florida was spineless.
"


Is OSU also spineless? We will see.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 10:56:38 AM
While i am only about 85% certain Meyer will coach in 2018, I am 100% certain he will coach in 2019, if he wants to. And the majority of those Red Queen ADs polled will be the ones knocking at his door.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Clemson and LSU schedule home and home games:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons)


It's a ways off but I'm likin it.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 15, 2018, 05:00:24 PM





Also, Ohio State will not fire Urban Meyer because he is the second-most successful coach in college football, behind only Alabama’s Nick Saban, and because Ohio State needs Meyer’s football program to generate enough money to fund just about every other sport on campus – and because Meyer’s $90 million football program does it. Ohio State will not fire Meyer because the school cannot simply replace a force of nature like this, not with any reasonable expectation of staying among the top five programs in college football.
Every coach at tOSU since the 1950’s has run a football program that underwrites the majority of the costs of the Athletic Department. Even John Cooper.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:17:13 PM
Clemson and LSU schedule home and home games:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons)


It's a ways off but I'm likin it.
About time ClemSIN stopped scheduling nothing but low life wimps out of conference. Maybe now they will step up and finally schedule Indiana.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2018, 07:11:03 PM
Clemson and LSU schedule home and home games:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons)


It's a ways off but I'm likin it.
About time ClemSIN stopped scheduling nothing but low life wimps out of conference. Maybe now they will step up and finally schedule Indiana.


Yeah that Indiana Pa team is a tough nut.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 07:30:34 PM
Clemson and LSU schedule home and home games:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons)


It's a ways off but I'm likin it.
About time ClemSIN stopped scheduling nothing but low life wimps out of conference. Maybe now they will step up and finally schedule Indiana.


Yeah that Indiana Pa team is a tough nut.
Shut up. I'm not.trolling you.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 15, 2018, 08:09:56 PM
Yeah that Indiana Pa team is a tough nut.
:)

Shut up. I'm not.trolling you.
:)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 16, 2018, 01:25:18 AM
My Annual Top 11:

12 through 21, not in order:

the Pennsylvania State University, University of Iowa, Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie, Miami, Virginia Tech, Stanford, Texas, Old Mississippi State, Louisiana State, some other Big 10 east team whose name escapes me.

11. Michigan State University

We have a chance to be really good. Lost only a couple of significant players from an 10 win season.  The most significant of those losses, Center, is not an issue as long as the Allens continue to pop out spawn.  Notably, MSU returns Brian Lewerke, who is a decent passer, but can also help with his feet.  Three top receivers, Davis Stewart and White, return, as well as L J Scott, who can be a beast.  The O line is experienced and talented.  I still have questions about Lewerke as a QB, but we should be able to move the ball and score.

As with most recent MSU teams, it is the Defense that will make or break the Spartans this year, and I suspect that defense to be strong.  Most everyone returns from last year's top 10 defense, including a talented and deep secondary and key linebackers (Bachie; and... how many Bulloughs can there be?) and D Linemen (Willekes, Panasiuk, Williams).  We are going to be good.

Schedule-wise, our big OOC game is at Arizona State, which I fully expect to be a train wreck.  Big However Many East has four really good schools and... well. Indiana is a potential bowl team despite 4 losses in the Division, but  Rutgers is bad and Maryland... oh my.  Can we make the playoffs?  Well They Who Must Not Be Named and OSU come to East Lansing, as does Northwestern.  Sure we can win the division, and possibly the conference which should put us in against... well, a team that is better than us. My rankings make that team Clemson, which is my personal posting nightmare.

10. Auburn

Interesting opening game, with Washington, that will go a long way to determining Auburn's year.  The other key game, of course, is the last game of the regular season.  They also have Georgia, before the bye week leading into Alabama.  I keep hearing Stridham as a Heisman trophy candidate, or a first round pick, but last year he struggled against the better teams.  Auburn has impressive offensive speed and a solid defense.  There is starting to be some separation between Alabama and the rest of the God's Conference West, but Auburn is easily good enough to keep them in reach.

9. Oklahoma

Granted I have an interest in believing that Oklahoma will be worse due to the QB leaving.  If they are just as good, my team has hitched its wagon to the wrong horse. 

Oklahoma is replacing Mayfield with a guy where football is not even his best sport.  Still, they return strong skill position guys on offense.  Anderson and Sermon are a good backfield tandem, and with Murray's feet should give Oklahoma a strong basis for running.  Still, this is the Pure Prairie League and a strong ground game is not going to play alone.  The Sooners have some good receivers, if Murray can get them the ball consistently.

Defensively.... that is where I worry.  The Sooners Defense played the middle half of the season as if asleep, and collapsed against an admittedly first rate Georgia offense in the Rose Bowl.  They have lost a lot of their best defenders as well.  They have good talent coming in, but it is those defensive questions and questions about Murray that make me rate them out of the playoffs.

8. University of California of the South

Here you are, troj.  Do it for me.  I want Darnold to be readily replaceable for the same reason I want Mayfield to not be.

7. Alabama

I am probably just being contrary.  There is as much talent here as anywhere.  And Satan is the best coach in CFB.  Still, the margin of error is fine.  If they make the wrong QB choice.  Ah, screw it.  They will probably win it all again. I am just damned bored with how good they are.  I want them to lose twice and so am picking it.  Got a problem with my using wishful thinking as a decision point?  Yeah?  Check out my #1.

6. Wisconsin

Outside of maybe - maybe - Clemson, Wisky is the biggest favorite to make a conference championship, but not just because they are in the weaker half of the conference.  Like all Wisky teams, their strength starts in the line and with a strong running game.  What is not like all Wisky teams, they have a decent Quarterback.  I think OSU is the better team, and Wisky travels to both Penn State and The Team That Must Not Be Named, so they have a couple potential losses.  Still, they do not have a Power 5 team OOC, and they are the class of the West.  Don't think they beat OSU, though.

5. Washington

The defense should continue to carry them through most of their games.  Browning is suffering from the disease of familiarity: he's pretty good, but we have seen enough of him to see his flaws and forget his virtues.  He is accurate given time, but he does struggle with pressure.  They do get their best WR back from injury, and really only need a competent offense with that Defense.  The Huskies should battle USC and Stanford for the PAWCP.

4. the Ohio State University

For what it is worth, absent learning that Meyer did nothing in response to the Smith allegations and did not follow policy, I fully expect him to coach at least 10 regular season games this year.  That buy out clause is going to make OSU think long and hard about what constitutes "with cause".

As for the actual games. OSU has the second best Defensive Line in CFB this year.  They have to replace a couple of linebackers and D Backs, but like Clemson and Alabama they are replacing talent with equal talent, and for OSU especially talent that has had experience in real pressure situations.

Offensively, they are trying to replace a QB who, despite manifest limitations, was 49 - 6 in four years.  Of course, Haskins was the hero of the Meatchicken game, and Dobbins and Weber give OSU a strong running game.  Parris Campbell is a great two threat H Back, and the rest of the receiving corps is solid.

Their schedule has that one good OOC game, TCU, and of course they have those three tough division games.  But they have a good draw in their West games, avoiding Wisky, Northwestern and Iowa.  They are the best bet to win the Big Whatever, and they have the talent to win it all.

3. Georgia

Georgia has lost an awful lot.  Maybe I shouldn't have them here.  Both Michel and Chubb are gone, but Jake Fromm (State Farm) is still there.  Blue chip receivers, blue chip replacements for the two missing backs.  I think the offense will be fine.  Defensively, they lost my favorite non-Spartan defender in Smith, and some of their top D Linemen, but their replacements have been playing, and they are on paper at least just as talented.  Defensive backfield may be their downfall.

2. Clemson

I suppose I should note my normal distrust of any team that does not know who its starting QB will be by August, but "any team" does not have Clemson's Defensive Line, which may be the best I've seen.  They have deep and talented linebackers.  The secondary is a weakness, in the sense that Rope is weak compared to other Hitchcock movies.  This Defense is going to be fun.

Offensively, I wonder if SWINEy is going to go with the Running Back by committee again, or just ride Etienne.  Either option is pretty good, but I do think reps help the lead back.  The two best wide outs are gone, but no one seems to be panicking.  If Bryant returns as the QB, it might matter more since experienced receivers can make up for his lag as a passer.  Still, between the backs, the QB and a stellar O Line, Clemson looks like the class of the ACC, easily.

Scheduling is also in their favor.  There is no marquee OCC game this year, though South Carolina might be on the rebound.  The TAMU game might be fun, but the talent deficit is real.  This is a team that could easily run the table.

1. EVENTUAL 2018-2019 NATIONAL CHAMPION MICHIGAN STATE

We have a chance are going to to be really good great. Lost only a couple of significant players from an 10 win season.  The most significant of those losses, Center, is not an issue as long as the Allens continue to pop out spawn.  Notably, MSU returns EVENTUAL 2018 HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER Brian Lewerke, who is a decent great passer, but can also help destroy you with his feet.  Three top receivers, Davis Stewart and White, return to form the greatest wide receiver group in the country, as well as L J Scott, who can be is a beast.  The O line is experienced and ungodly talented.  I still have no questions about Lewerke as a QB, so we should be able to move the ball and score impose our will on our helpless victims.

As with most recent MSU teams, it is the Defense that will make or break the Spartans this year, and I suspect know that defense to be strong transcendentally mighty.  Most everyone returns from last year's top 10 defense, including a talented and deep secondary and key linebackers (Bachie; and... how many Bulloughs can there be?) and D Linemen (Willekes, Panasiuk, Williams).  We are going to be good.

Schedule-wise, our big OOC game is at Arizona State, which I fully expect to be a train wreck.  Big However Many East has four really good schools and... well. Indiana is a potential bowl team despite 4 losses in the Division, but  Rutgers is bad and Maryland... oh my.  Can we make the playoffs?  Well They Who Must Not Be Named and OSU come to East Lansing, as does Northwestern.  Sure we can win the division, and possibly the conference which should put us in against... well, a team that is better than us. My rankings make that team Clemson, which is my personal posting nightmare Hell yes.  We are winning EVERYTHING.

Also, Clemson is a team that could easily run the table - until they run into the mighty and unstoppable force that is the Michigan State University Spartan Football Squad!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 16, 2018, 08:45:55 AM
Clemson and LSU schedule home and home games:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24382930/clemson-tigers-lsu-tigers-schedule-games-2025-26-seasons)


It's a ways off but I'm likin it.
About time ClemSIN stopped scheduling nothing but low life wimps out of conference. Maybe now they will step up and finally schedule Indiana.


Yeah that Indiana Pa team is a tough nut.
Shut up. I'm not.trolling you.

Just checking to see if you can handle the dichotomy of it.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 16, 2018, 11:04:24 AM
"8. University of California of the South... I want Darnold to be readily replaceable"

Very generous of you to start us out at #8.   That could turn out to be a reasonable expectation. 

2016 team was 10-3 with a bowl win
2017 team was 11-3 with a Pac 12 championship

I think this team should turn out to be somewhere close to that.  I think Darnold was a talented guy but reckless.   I don't expect QB to be a problem area for us this year.  But there are other unknowns as well.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 17, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
I watched a Jets preseason game the other day. I liked the way he played in that game.

But, it's only preseason of course.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 17, 2018, 11:12:42 AM
Just checking to see if you can handle the dichotomy of it.


At first I thought you meant one thing, but then I realized you meant something completely different. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 18, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
I was confused by OSU President saying yesterday "it will be finished when it's finished."   I thought they gave themselves a deadline?

It's actually the perfect time to state that they didn't find anything worth firing him for.   The DJ Durkin story is already taking most of the attention away. 

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 18, 2018, 05:53:24 PM
I'm guessing that Durkin, the AD Evans and the School Prez Loh are all out at Maryland.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 18, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
I was confused by OSU President saying yesterday "it will be finished when it's finished."   I thought they gave themselves a deadline?

It's actually the perfect time to state that they didn't find anything worth firing him for.   The DJ Durkin story is already taking most of the attention away.
Maybe they are honestly trying to do a fair, thorough job.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 18, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
Maybe.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on August 19, 2018, 05:57:25 PM
Golly gee what a surprise
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 19, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Right Bo, but where is the dichotomy in all this? That's the real question here.


Hopefully OSU has the answer.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 20, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html)

 “two sources connected to the investigation said the likely recommendation to university President Michael V. Drake is a suspension for Meyer.”

The report also said “Drake and the board could also opt for a “time served” punishment since Meyer has been removed from football activities for more than two weeks.”

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 20, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html)

 “two sources connected to the investigation said the likely recommendation to university President Michael V. Drake is a suspension for Meyer.”

The report also said “Drake and the board could also opt for a “time served” punishment since Meyer has been removed from football activities for more than two weeks.”
If he followed the proper reporting procedure that is about right, lynch-mob mentality aside. I would imagine.trainings and seminars all up and down the program as well.

Cue cap and his fire/every honest person agrees with me/every one else is in the pocket of big buckeye/mendacious moral high ground rant in 10... 9...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 21, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article217038010.html)

 “two sources connected to the investigation said the likely recommendation to university President Michael V. Drake is a suspension for Meyer.”

The report also said “Drake and the board could also opt for a “time served” punishment since Meyer has been removed from football activities for more than two weeks.”
If he followed the proper reporting procedure that is about right, lynch-mob mentality aside. I would imagine.trainings and seminars all up and down the program as well.

Cue cap and his fire/every honest person agrees with me/every one else is in the pocket of big buckeye/mendacious moral high ground rant in 10... 9...


Right and I'll get to that in just a minute.

But first and not to be dichotomous, I'm looking into getting a mobile hotspot device with no contract just a data card for use in my rental car like a straight talk device or something similar. I don't want to tie up my cell phone using it as a mobile hotspot. Anyone familiar with these?


As to Meyer, the lying sac will most likely get off with a slap on the pinkie.(Not even the wrist) I mean two or three whole weeks he's been agonizingly punished. Oh the horror! THE HORROR!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 21, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
You realize of course the emoticons are not working at this time right Scotty?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 21, 2018, 11:58:00 AM
Time Served for C.H.U.D.?

lolol??
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on August 21, 2018, 12:20:50 PM
Quote
As to Meyer, the lying sac will most likely get off with a slap on the pinkie.
Yes…..well, let’s get real about this, shall we? Nobody is going to get bent out of shape about what he did. Most particularly in Buckeye country. They have already experienced losing a big winner in Tressell, and nobody is throwing a coach with Meyer’s record under the bus, particularly when judged in the rarified air that his teams compete within. You better have some rapist players or wholesale graft involved with the program before you bring that sort of weak tea (failure to reveal that he knew about some questionable behavior by one of his coaches) against Meyers record. Right or wrong, that’s just the way it is. Too much money everywhere to have that flow interrupted by something like that. I'm guessing 3 game suspension here (if that).
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 21, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
I'm guessing a one game suspension.

And you're right most nobody is going to care in OSU land.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 21, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
One snowglobe shaken, not stirred, unaware infinitum, absurd...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 22, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
Egg


Zachary


Leeland

Wright
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 22, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Lynne

Cheryl

Ma

Barker
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 22, 2018, 01:28:50 PM
Bond

James

Bond

Felix
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 22, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
would you like to play a game...?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 22, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
TOSU update(Cliff notes version)
Board hears report from elite Investigation team.
Board favors immediate reinstatement of Meyer
OSU President Drake balks and favors a suspension
Meyer balks arguing he did nothing wrong

Absent a compromise tOSU about to search for a head football coach and a president


Stay tuned.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 22, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
Urban Meyer...

Rested
Ready
Not guilty
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 22, 2018, 09:08:42 PM
The call is made OSU's penalty for no integrity lying is 3 games.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 22, 2018, 10:00:32 PM
Urban Meyer...

Rested
Ready
Not guilty
Officially it is a 3 game suspension as Coach but he is allowed back with the team (with pay)on September 2.
AD Gene Smith gets a 17 day suspension from August 31 to September 16.

"Although neither Urban Meyer nor Gene Smith condoned or covered up the alleged domestic abuse by Zach Smith, they failed to take sufficient management action relating to Zach Smith's misconduct and retained an Assistant Coach who was not performing as an appropriate role model for OSU student-athletes," the school said in a statement outlining the investigation's findings. "Permitting such misconduct to continue is not consistent with the values of the University and reflects poorly on Coach Meyer, Athletic Director Smith, and the University. Their handling of this matter did not exhibit the kind of leadership and high standards that we expect of our Athletic Director, Head Coach, Assistant Coaches and all on the football staff."

Addressing the media Wednesday night, Meyer expressed remorse for giving Zach Smith "benefit of the doubt" and said, "I followed my heart and not my head."


Props to WhiskeyPriest for figuring this out weeks ago.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on August 22, 2018, 10:28:58 PM
Oh look a slap on the wrist.As Mr. Clampett would say,pitiful just pitiful but then it's  THe ohio state
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 22, 2018, 10:40:46 PM
Bosox was here on a daily basis when the Art Briles stuff was going down...Wait
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 23, 2018, 01:13:11 AM
Trump, the COACH, no DELUSION, no SNOWGLOBE, they say there’s a SNOWGLOBE.

NO

SNOWGLOBE

LOCK HER UP!!

Yours,

C.H.U.D.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
Urban Meyer...

Rested
Ready
Not guilty
Officially it is a 3 game suspension as Coach but he is allowed back with the team (with pay)on September 2.
AD Gene Smith gets a 17 day suspension from August 31 to September 16.

"Although neither Urban Meyer nor Gene Smith condoned or covered up the alleged domestic abuse by Zach Smith, they failed to take sufficient management action relating to Zach Smith's misconduct and retained an Assistant Coach who was not performing as an appropriate role model for OSU student-athletes," the school said in a statement outlining the investigation's findings. "Permitting such misconduct to continue is not consistent with the values of the University and reflects poorly on Coach Meyer, Athletic Director Smith, and the University. Their handling of this matter did not exhibit the kind of leadership and high standards that we expect of our Athletic Director, Head Coach, Assistant Coaches and all on the football staff."

Addressing the media Wednesday night, Meyer expressed remorse for giving Zach Smith "benefit of the doubt" and said, "I followed my heart and not my head."


Props to WhiskeyPriest for figuring this out weeks ago.


Some real funny shit there all around. Keep up the jokes.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 09:25:33 AM
Bosox was here on a daily basis when the Art Briles stuff was going down...Wait

Not really, Bo has never been here on a regular daily basis. He sporadically posts.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20180823/gene-frenette-by-slapping-meyer-on-wrist-osu-sacrifices-piece-of-its-soul (http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20180823/gene-frenette-by-slapping-meyer-on-wrist-osu-sacrifices-piece-of-its-soul)


Yes, they knew Meyer had to be punished beyond a time-served preseason suspension or women would be staging protests and holding up signs all over campus. OSU couldn’t have those visuals on CNN and every cable news outlet. The administration had to make it look like school leaders cared about domestic abuse while not sabotaging a promising football season.

So president Michael Drake, the Board of Trustees and an investigative team led by former U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White went over 60,000 pages of documents, pored over 10,000 text messages and 40,000 e-mails. And then. . . . they caved.

OSU appeased a football-crazed fan base more than sending a stern message about intolerance for domestic abuse.

Not allowing Meyer to coach the first three games, against outmanned Oregon State and Rutgers at home, then rebuilding TCU in Arlington, Tx., isn’t a massive consequence. A 17-day suspension for athletic director Gene Smith -- for not taking quicker, sufficient action against Zach Smith or reporting it to compliance after knowing of multiple arrests and incidents against his ex-wife, Courtney -- is a joke.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
REPORT: Urban Meyer Destroyed Old Text Messages Before Handing Over His Phone


http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/report-urban-meyer-destroyed-old-text-messages-before-handing-over-his-phone/ar-BBMjrKF?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/report-urban-meyer-destroyed-old-text-messages-before-handing-over-his-phone/ar-BBMjrKF?ocid=ientp)



Dan Wolken
 ✔  @DanWolken 
 ·  10h


 
After McMurphy dropped the text messages, Brian Voltolini and Urban "discussed at that time whether the media could get access to Coach Meyer’s phone, and specifically how to adjust the settings on Meyer’s phone so that text messages older than one year would be deleted."




 

Dan Wolken
 ✔  @DanWolken 

And when Urban turned his phone over to the investigative team, it had no text messages that were older than one year. Holy crap.
...

...

There's a saying - the coverup is worse than the crime - and it may apply here. It's clumsy for the school to suspend Meyer three games for the way he botched his train wreck of a position coach. It feels like an all-or-nothing situation. Three games reeks of, "he wins, we need him, here's a slap on the wrist."

And now we find out that when faced with crisis, Meyer's first move is to delete old text messages? You only do that if you feel you're guilty.
...

...It's going to be a long season for Urban Meyer in college football. Winning usually cures all, but the stench from this disaster will linger for quite some time.


All hail Urban Liar.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 23, 2018, 09:49:37 AM
Bosox was here on a daily basis when the Art Briles stuff was going down...Wait

Not really, Bo has never been here on a regular daily basis. He sporadically posts.
Yeah.  That was my point. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
Urban Meyer deleted texts before handing over phone, OSU investigation finds

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/ncaa-football/news/urban-meyer-deleted-texts-ohio-state-investigation-domestic-abuse-scandal-zach-smith/lsmq66u7w0fr1bs6xzsz66tk9 (http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/ncaa-football/news/urban-meyer-deleted-texts-ohio-state-investigation-domestic-abuse-scandal-zach-smith/lsmq66u7w0fr1bs6xzsz66tk9)


Ohio State findings: Urban Meyer deleted texts, 'had significant memory issues'


https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/ohio_state_findings_urban_meye.html (https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/ohio_state_findings_urban_meye.html)


Investigative report: Urban Meyer deleted texts, suffers from memory issues


It is nonetheless concerning that his first reaction to a negative media piece exposing his knowledge of the 2015-16 law enforcement investigation was to worry about the media getting access to info and discussing how to delete messages older than one year."


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 10:17:55 AM
So tOSU threw the book at Meyer?

He sits for the cupcakes.

that'll teach him.

Apparently the book had Archie and Jughead on the cover.

Nothing against tOSU, but colleges, just like every other organization, generally does a piss poor job of regulating themselves.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Bosox was here on a daily basis when the Art Briles stuff was going down...Wait

Not really, Bo has never been here on a regular daily basis. He sporadically posts.
Yeah.  That was my point.

If your point is that Bo doesn't like OSU, well that is hardly something anyone here doesn't already know.

His statements are valid nonetheless.

OSU could have and should have done better here.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 23, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
Well then let Bo say that about other teams as well and we'll know what his standards are.  Otherwise, as usual, it's just simple OSU bashing.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 10:36:37 AM
Ohio State's Impotent Urban Meyer Decision Another Example Of Major College Athletics' Brokenness


We live in a society where as long as you give people want they want and tell them what they want to hear, they will let you get away with nearly anything.

What difference does it make whether you conduct business like a weasel or spout half-truths and full-blown whoppers to indulge your pathetic ego and phony self-image? Just win, baby.

To be clear, I’m talking about Urban Meyer here. Who did you think I meant?

People in Columbus, Ohio, want to win football games, which is why Urban Meyer is still the head coach at Ohio State. If not for his having won better than 90% of his games as the Buckeyes’ coach, he’d be out on the street for knowingly keeping an accused domestic abuser on his staff for the better part of the last decade.

It says all that you need to know about Meyer that he never apologized to former assistant Zach Smith’s wife Courtney at Wednesday’s press conference that announced his suspension for the season’s first three games. Not the slightest hint of compassion for a woman he apparently believes was repeatedly beaten by her husband.



I say “apparently” because he fired Zach Smith a month ago for some reason, even if nothing in Meyer’s behavior showed empathy for someone he could have helped and never did.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 10:41:53 AM
Well then let Bo say that about other teams as well and we'll know what his standards are.  Otherwise, as usual, it's just simple OSU bashing.

Again, the fact that he doesn't like OSU means very little here. His statements are valid. Nobody can talk about all things at all times. Everyone has priorities, just because his aren't yours makes no difference.

Unless this is a case of, he needs to say what you want him to say when you want him to say it.

If so then okay, cool, I get your point now. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 23, 2018, 10:46:48 AM
Nobody can talk about all things at all times.

He never talks about anything else BUT Ohio State.  There are plenty of outrages daily in college football and one of the reasons that I don't follow it all that closely. Meyer should likely have been punished worse, Durkin should have been fired yesterday.  Paterno should have been fired immediately.  College football is the classic example of the tail wagging the dog.  Bo ONLY  comes here to talk about whatever sins OSU commits.  This is probably out of some sense that he's really sticking it to ESPN3.  So be it.   
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 23, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
Stewart Mandel’s take on Meyer’s “ slap on the wrist”.

https://theathletic.com/485839/2018/08/23/ohio-state-football-coach-urban-meyer-suspended-investigative-report/
 (https://theathletic.com/485839/2018/08/23/ohio-state-football-coach-urban-meyer-suspended-investigative-report/)
Mandel’s piece includes a link to the 23 page Investigation report which should be read if anyone wants to offer an opinion.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
Nobody can talk about all things at all times.

He never talks about anything else BUT Ohio State.  ... ...  This is probably out of some sense that he's really sticking it to ESPN3.  So be it.

He talks occasionally about Cal and other things.

You seem surprised he said something. Can't imagine why. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 23, 2018, 11:09:46 AM
I'm not surprised.  As I said.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
Stewart Mandel’s take on Meyer’s “ slap on the wrist”.

https://theathletic.com/485839/2018/08/23/ohio-state-football-coach-urban-meyer-suspended-investigative-report/
 (https://theathletic.com/485839/2018/08/23/ohio-state-football-coach-urban-meyer-suspended-investigative-report/)
Mandel’s piece includes a link to the 23 page Investigation report which should be read if anyone wants to offer an opinion.

Nice two paragraphs.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 23, 2018, 11:22:54 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-suspension-draws-critical-reactions-think-got-off-light-021922789.html


 (https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-suspension-draws-critical-reactions-think-got-off-light-021922789.html)

Urban Meyer was “not complete and accurate” at media day. Wow. That’s some rhetorical gymnastics. I’m not sure one can do a limbo dance low enough to see Ohio State’s “high standards.” https://t.co/6saFkJe4Pu

Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) August 23, 2018




Meanwhile, some pointed to the Ohio State situation as a symptom of a larger problem with college sports.



Ohio State fans need to shut up trying to justify this. College football fans need to shut up and sheath their swords

Everyone who's any good at this sport is corrupt and awful. That's how it goes. Accept it and shut up, or stop watching and save us all the moralizing headache

— Joey Gulino (@JGulinoYahoo) August 23, 2018



The above guy probably thinks girls that get raped should do the same thing.


CBS’ Dennis Dodd stopped just short of calling the ordeal a coverup.



"What I just heard in that press conference was description of a borderline coverup."@dennisdoddcbs joins @TheKostos on https://t.co/JB1AAXRNa2 to break down Urban Meyer's three-game suspension pic.twitter.com/WCy3PyY5Jh

— CBS Sports (@CBSSports) August 23, 2018


Yahoo’s Dan Wetzel questioned the priorities of those involved.



Ah, first mention of "Buckeye Nation" in this news conference, which feels flippant considering the core issue here so serious. College administrators can't help themselves though.

— Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) August 23, 2018





Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 23, 2018, 11:36:37 AM



https://news.osu.edu//services/downloadfile.php?f=osusummaryoffindings-finaldesktop.pdf&uid=579626&hash=10fb4f4ac98235eb025087907ba6ec16a03611a5
 (https://news.osu.edu//services/downloadfile.php?f=osusummaryoffindings-finaldesktop.pdf&uid=579626&hash=10fb4f4ac98235eb025087907ba6ec16a03611a5)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 23, 2018, 01:32:39 PM
Capbobot -

Which of you brought the rope?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 23, 2018, 01:43:02 PM
AD Gene Smith gets a 17 day suspension from August 31 to September 16.

I wondered about this part.  When I heard Gene Smith actually called Urban Meyer about the Zach Smith issues, it didn't sound like Meyer could be held culpable for that part.

I think the suspension was as much or more about all the other stuff that came out afterward--photos of penises, etc.   None of that would have made news if they had fired the guy earlier.  The good old boy club has it's place I guess -- but it really backfired here.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 23, 2018, 01:50:23 PM
So tOSU threw the book at Meyer?

He sits for the cupcakes.

that'll teach him.

Apparently the book had Archie and Jughead on the cover.

Nothing against tOSU, but colleges, just like every other organization, generally does a piss poor job of regulating themselves.
For what it is worth, one oh the games he misses is TCU. No cupcake that.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 23, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
AD Gene Smith gets a 17 day suspension from August 31 to September 16.

I wondered about this part.  When I heard Gene Smith actually called Urban Meyer about the Zach Smith issues, it didn't sound like Meyer could be held culpable for that part.

I think the suspension was as much or more about all the other stuff that came out afterward--photos of penises, etc.   None of that would have made news if they had fired the guy earlier.  The good old boy club has it's place I guess -- but it really backfired here.
Exactly.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 23, 2018, 06:12:36 PM
If you had a daughter, would you let her go to tOSU?

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 23, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
I was wondering what was taking him so long to chime in
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 09:03:16 PM
So tOSU threw the book at Meyer?

He sits for the cupcakes.

that'll teach him.

Apparently the book had Archie and Jughead on the cover.

Nothing against tOSU, but colleges, just like every other organization, generally does a piss poor job of regulating themselves.
For what it is worth, one oh the games he misses is TCU. No cupcake that.

Noted.

Two cupcakes and an out of cupcake game.

The important thing is Urban has learned his lesson has admitted his shortcomings, owned his lie and will become a better person and whup the crap  out of the B1G teams.

GO Buckeyes! 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on August 24, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
And then get smoked in the postseason, way to go C.H.U.D.!!

ROLOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 24, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
So tOSU threw the book at Meyer?

He sits for the cupcakes.

that'll teach him.

Apparently the book had Archie and Jughead on the cover.

Nothing against tOSU, but colleges, just like every other organization, generally does a piss poor job of regulating themselves.
For what it is worth, one oh the games he misses is TCU. No cupcake that.

True.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 24, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
So tOSU threw the book at Meyer?

He sits for the cupcakes.

that'll teach him.

Apparently the book had Archie and Jughead on the cover.

Nothing against tOSU, but colleges, just like every other organization, generally does a piss poor job of regulating themselves.
For what it is worth, one oh the games he misses is TCU. No cupcake that.

Noted.

Two cupcakes and an out of cupcake game.

The important thing is Urban has learned his lesson has admitted his shortcomings, owned his lie and will become a better person and whup the crap  out of the B1G teams.

GO Buckeyes!

LOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 24, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
TOP FIVE is all I've got. Been workin waaaay too much this summer.



1: Alabama:

No surprise here. Once again, the Tide will do it with great defense and one of the Top OLs in the nation. This is a team that has lost only one game in 11 of the last 12 seasons. Both QBs can run the offense, Jonah Williams can play guard or tackle. The offensive line is stacked, Leatherwood is a beast. RBs out the wazoo. Top caliber WRs aplenty.  The defense will be raw at many positions. The LB is rock solid on starters but will lack depth. The Tide secondary was practically all but erased in terms of starters. The DL also devastated by departees.  Eight starters in all. Anybody out there worried? Not me. If there ever was a plug and play team, this is it. I could rattle of a long list of names but why bother. Sabin has talent and he’ll have em coached up. They’ve made every one of the college playoff gigs, already won two, and came within an illegal pick of possibly winning a third.

2: Clemson:



First things first, that DL. Probably the best DL in college football. In fact, this is a downright scary group of dudes. The LB corps get leading tackler Joseph back. Look for Simmons, a safety really playing LB to be all over the place. Another guy I’ll have my eyeball on is Tre Lamar the inside guy.The secondary will be stellar because they have good talent, but even moreso because of that killer DL.  On offense, Bryant will be more seasoned and that should help the passing game. But two OL starters need to be replaced. The Tigers have recruited well and should be able to plug replacements in without too much hitch in their giddyup in that re-guard. Renfrow is still there, seems like he’s been there for half a dozen years now plenty of WR to go with him. Travis Etienne has a touch more speed than Feaster but they will make a formidable platoon as both are excellent RBs.


3: Georgia:



It’s now no secret just how good Kirby Smart is at recruiting. He might be the best in the business. Behind his old Boss that is. But if so just tick. If their ever was a loaded team coming into the new season this team is it. Yes, they lost a boatload of guys from possibly the best defense in football last year. Yes, I said it. But due to that incredible recruiting the Kirby and the Dawgs will reload Bama style. They’ve got some tough road games, South Carolina, LSU and Florida. But IMO they have a good chance to run the table to the SEC CG. The OL should be solid, starting QB returns. Yes they lose a couple of great RBs but they have a great one, D’Andre Swift, to plug in. But I had looked for Zamir White to get some reps too. IMO this guy is destined to be another big name Dawg back down the line, but the ACL injury might change that a bit. And then, there’s James Cook with that smooth gliding style. As offensive guys go he’s okay. Wink.


4: OSU:



The fact that they have an unscrupulous head coach, to say the least, notwithstanding. And as I write this I assume OSU will not have the balls to do the right thing. The Buckeyes have a wealth of talent. Let’s start with Dwayne Haskins, possibly the best QB OSU has had for the last couple of decades or so. I am very impressed by this young man’s throwing ability. And he’s got a plethora of good young receivers to throw to. Johnnie Dixon might not be the fastest dude on the field but he’s got good wiggle off the catch and is a TD machine. The OL loses some top talent and the TE needs to be replaced. But the cupboard is full for Liar Meyer. The defense is stout, their DC Schiano, is a bit of a dick. But then you have that everywhere, including chat forums. Schiano knows his stuff though and if you can get by the personality issues he’ll get the job done. Wanna beat him, throw to the TE’s and Fullbacks. Lots of departures on defense. But as is the case with big time defenses these days you play a lot of guys due to rotation, so a lot of guys pick up experience. So they aren’t as inexperienced as all those departures would have you think.



With or without Lia... err... Meyer the Buckeyes are stacked as always with top shelf talent across the board.



5: Washington:



The Huskies are going to be an experienced team across the board this season. That’s, as always, barring injury/s. Peterson has allowed the Husky faithful to forget that just ten years ago they went 0-12. No 22-5 in the last two years will help you forget a lot. But here’s the thing, in order to be the man you have to beat the man. And while Auburn isn’t Alabama it’s the same principle. Lose that first game and, well, it’ll be a long sled back to the top. The OL is mostly back intact and IMO they might be the best OL group in college football this year. Certainly in the top ten. Browning is a savvy vet of Peterson’s system and Gaskin would IMO have been drafted day two if not day one had he opted to leave. On defense Vita is gone but this squad is stacked. Not going to go into individuals as there is way too many off them to mention without mentioning them all. If I were a Huskie fan, and I am not sure I’m not, I’d be salivating at all of the offensive corpses we are going to feed off of this year. But they have to beat Auburn.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 24, 2018, 04:12:14 PM
Really going out on a limb there, cap.

I am on vacation the next two weeks, meaning I will miss the first two full weekends of CFB. If MSU stumbles, it is all due to horribly biased referees.

If I do not make it back it is because I am too fat.and slow to out run either Grizzly Bears or my wife.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on August 24, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
Capbobot -

Which of you brought the rope?
Hanging's too good for him
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 24, 2018, 08:02:45 PM

5: Washington:




Oh Son...you're not buying into all the Petersen hype are you?   The Puppies got nothing.   Auburn may have less...but still...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 26, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
Really going out on a limb there, cap.

I am on vacation the next two weeks, meaning I will miss the first two full weekends of CFB. If MSU stumbles, it is all due to horribly biased referees.

If I do not make it back it is because I am too fat.and slow to out run either Grizzly Bears or my wife.

I'm on vacation too for a couple off weeks. Been on 12 hours a day for the last 6 weeks or so can't really remember, I'm old. Not a lot of time to play with rankings,
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 26, 2018, 01:11:25 PM

5: Washington:




Oh Son...you're not buying into all the Petersen hype are you?   The Puppies got nothing.   Auburn may have less...but still...

We'll see  ro. For your sake I hope I'm wrong.


But I'm not.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 27, 2018, 01:06:10 PM
Any good games this weekend? 

We had a little fun last night with the depth chart being released.   JT Daniels will be only the second ever true freshman* to start a season opener at QB for USC.




*also graduated early from HS.  He's supposed to be a senior this year.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on August 28, 2018, 07:36:30 AM
LSU finally has a decent QB. Joe Burrows, former benchwarmer at tOSU. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 28, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
for awhile there I was thinking OSU might wind up with a former LSU head coach.  I was thinking...well...if they let UM go, then who would be a high profile type coach these days...  Most of the proven quantities have been out of the game for awhile...But Les only a couple of years...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 29, 2018, 12:25:01 PM
http://www.jimrome.com/articles/urban-meyer-s-disgrace (http://www.jimrome.com/articles/urban-meyer-s-disgrace)


Just a guess but I'd say Mr. Rome doesn't care for Mr. Meyer.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 29, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
Jim Rome probably shouldn't give other people advice on how to live their lives.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 30, 2018, 08:47:44 AM
Jim Rome probably shouldn't give other people advice on how to live their lives.

Well, there's always that.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 30, 2018, 09:03:47 AM
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/on-the-urban-meyer-and-ohio-state-disgrace/ (https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/on-the-urban-meyer-and-ohio-state-disgrace/)



… “While those denials (at Big Ten Media Days) were plainly not accurate, Coach Meyer did not in our view deliberately lie.”

Read that sentence again.

So Urban Meyer lied, but he didn’t intend to lie. This, mind you, is the reasoned opinion of the six members of the investigative committee.



What’s remarkable about this statement is Meyer lies throughout the investigative committee’s report. So why in the world does the investigative committee believe Meyer didn’t lie on purpose at Big Ten Media Days? (And is that distinction remotely believable or that important here? Of course not.) If anything, the most consistent part of Meyer’s character is his willingness to tell lies whenever necessary to protect himself.

The reason why the committee reached this strangled conclusion was simple — because Ohio State created this committee to give the appearance of independence, when in reality the committee’s conclusion was predetermined — Ohio State wanted this committee to give them the okay to retain Urban Meyer no matter how damning the evidence was that he should be fired.

The truth didn’t matter. ...



Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 30, 2018, 10:54:11 AM
I honor of President Trump,.I am scrolling through news feeds and social media while pooping. I must say I look forward to coming back to pages and pages of cap both linking to and quoting the professional outrage machine spewing professional outrage about Meyer. Haters hate. That is their function.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 30, 2018, 01:29:45 PM
I honor of President Trump,.I am scrolling through news feeds and social media while pooping. I must say I look forward to coming back to pages and pages of cap both linking to and quoting the professional outrage machine spewing professional outrage about Meyer. Haters hate. That is their function.

Right, when you hate it's an opinion. GFY please.

But good idea about sitting on the pot, you are so full of shit it might take a while to empty out. I doubt you'll ever be truly empty though.


If you hear a popping in your ears that means the level has a least down gotten down to neck level. Don't count on that sound happening anytime soon. None of us do.



Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 31, 2018, 01:02:08 AM
I have heard speculation that part of the back room deal with Meyer was to let him retire at the end of the season ...with the appearance of it being on his own terms.   Guess we will see.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 31, 2018, 10:23:23 AM
I honor of President Trump,.I am scrolling through news feeds and social media while pooping. I must say I look forward to coming back to pages and pages of cap both linking to and quoting the professional outrage machine spewing professional outrage about Meyer. Haters hate. That is their function.

Right, when you hate it's an opinion. GFY please.

But good idea about sitting on the pot, you are so full of shit it might take a while to empty out. I doubt you'll ever be truly empty though.


If you hear a popping in your ears that means the level has a least down gotten down to neck level. Don't count on that sound happening anytime soon. None of us do.
When I hate I revel in it. I do not constantly link to, and then quote from, other haters. I do not demand others share my hate, or argue that people who do not share my hate are dishonest, or irrational, or morally corrupt, like you do.

Shit jokes? That is the level of response I expect from the likes of you.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 31, 2018, 03:34:33 PM
I honor of President Trump,.I am scrolling through news feeds and social media while pooping. I must say I look forward to coming back to pages and pages of cap both linking to and quoting the professional outrage machine spewing professional outrage about Meyer. Haters hate. That is their function.

Right, when you hate it's an opinion. GFY please.

But good idea about sitting on the pot, you are so full of shit it might take a while to empty out. I doubt you'll ever be truly empty though.


If you hear a popping in your ears that means the level has a least down gotten down to neck level. Don't count on that sound happening anytime soon. None of us do.
When I hate I revel in it. I do not constantly link to, and then quote from, other haters. I do not demand others share my hate, or argue that people who do not share my hate are dishonest, or irrational, or morally corrupt, like you do.

Shit jokes? That is the level of response I expect from the likes of you.

Sorry my hate isn't up to your stellar standards, you are so much better at your hate displaying of course. That you think you are better than me(and psychologically better than everyone else too) is no surprise though. You've always been of the opinion that your shit doesn't stink you just refuse to admit we are two peas in the same pod. It's part of your makeup and your own personal charm bro. I can live with it because I'm an asshole in that regard just like you.


As to the shit joke it was your shit joke. I just piled on.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 31, 2018, 08:06:11 PM
Cuse starting off hot against one of the several Directional Michigan schools.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on August 31, 2018, 11:56:41 PM
Quote
Sorry my hate isn't up to your stellar standards
Damn, Cap…..quite the slogging match that you’ve got yourself involved in…..you’re probably making Utley super envious. “How is this guy slinging shit all over the place and I’m not involved? I must be getting old…well, older anyway” Sports…..who would have thunk it?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 01, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
Me an Stevie know our shit and are both ultracompetitive with each other. It's an 'us' thing Driver bro.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 01, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Buckeyes slamming an obviously overmatched Oregon State team.


 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 01, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
The Sooners are just annihilating the Owls. I thought the Owls would have a decent defense this year with all those guys back. But that massive Oklahoma OL is jusr blasting them out of the way. The only 'who' going on in this game is Baker Who?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 01, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
Ole Miss' DL coach not doing his team any favors. #90 signaling for relief two plays in a row and no relief comes in. No push in the middle and the Tech QB has all day long to toss a TD pass. Pay attention numbnuts.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 01, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
The Terps up on Texas. Don't jinx them right YG.


TCU showing why the Buckeyes should take their game against the Frogs very seriously.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on September 01, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Quote
Buckeyes slamming an obviously overmatched Oregon State team.
Yes—doing it on both sides of the ball, too. I figured Oregon State would be a little less cupcake-ish then their usual early season opponents, but apparently not.
Quote
TCU showing why the Buckeyes should take their game against the Frogs very seriously.
Certainly—looks like it will be a high scoring affair—made more difficult by it being a road game to Texas. It would be a good idea to shape up their ground game to try and keep that TCU offense on the sideline.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 02, 2018, 09:13:00 AM
Looks like Bowl season.  All Big Ten teams win except Michigan
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 02, 2018, 09:32:53 AM
Funny. Redstateward was saying the exact same thing last night.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
saw a little college ball and checked a few scores, initial takeaway with Mich losing, PSU struggling, and the Urban renewal coming soon to Columbus,
tOSU has to be pleased.


So bring me up to speed, who's Bama gonna play at the final dance?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 02, 2018, 10:11:11 AM
What's the story with Penn State Cap?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 02, 2018, 10:50:34 AM
What's the story with Penn State Cap?

If our defense plays SHITTY like that the rest of the year we are in big trouble. Missed tackles was my biggest problem with them yesterday. But lots of other things including physicality is a large problem. Offense was okay. Not great, just okay.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 02, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
I see the Trojans finally woke up offensively in the 4th. Overall a decent startup game for them. Lot of schools showed some rust including the Spartans.

Bo's Bears looked good. Tennessee had better learn how to pass block or they're going to get their young QB wiped out. I tentatively like what I saw from the Badgers' defense. But still, a cupcake win.

Looks like I was wrong a bit about Washington. Still Auburn has a monster in the middle of that DL. WOW!!

I think Sabin knew all along that Tua was the better QB but had to give Hurts a shot. To the untrained eye Bama's defense looked good. But they are a work in progress. I saw enough missed assignments  in the Ville' game to drive me insane. You can bet Nicky saw every one of them too, and a few I missed.


That kid from OSU at QB really impressed me. Buckeyes defense is very good. I saw a couple of things that could be exploited though. Liar probably saw them too.


Oklahoma, man I might have been all wet about my expectations from this team. With the pathetic schedule they have I see only three games they have to look out for.


West Virginia getting a lot of love from the press. I'm not ompletely sold on them yet but they have a good team. Soft schedule for them too. Their toughest games are all at the end.



Lastly Finebaum upset at Nicky for his response to the QB questions. Too fucking bad.


The press, regular and sports press these days think they are 'entitled' to 'make' people give them the answers they want. Don't like the answer they got. Tough shit. Stop asking the question or accept the answer you get. Keep asking it and get the answer you get. Either way the results are the same. If Saban wants to be a dick about it okay. You're being dicks about it for continueing to ask, why doesn't he get to be a dick too?


 Where's the tongue in cheek emoticon? Doesn't matter emoticons don't work in the present reincarnation of the forums.


I'd ask Josh about it but after this post he just might give me a dick answer. :-)

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 02, 2018, 01:01:50 PM
There were 16 kickoffs in the Ohio State romp yesterday with just four returns.
The new rule allowing fair catch touchbacks up to the 25 yard line may have been adopted for safety but it sure is boring.  And it penalizes a team with a good kicker trying to take advantage of field position.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 02, 2018, 05:45:45 PM
There were 16 kickoffs in the Ohio State romp yesterday with just four returns.
The new rule allowing fair catch touchbacks up to the 25 yard line may have been adopted for safety but it sure is boring.  And it penalizes a team with a good kicker trying to take advantage of field position.


I actually agree with you.




I may barf.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 02, 2018, 08:53:57 PM
Me too, though it has nothing to do with football...

Cousin ELLIS(U) looks good...

I like Coach O, he’s one of the good ones...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on September 02, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Who's the bigger scumbag..Saban or Meyer
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 02, 2018, 09:50:16 PM
C.H.U.D.

...he is a dumptruck full of scumbags driving off Shut the Fuck up Donny!! Cliff...

...like he beat Thelma and Louise to the wife beater ragtop oblivion convertible...

Will, Holly...ahhhhhhhh...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 02, 2018, 10:29:02 PM


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24554583
 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24554583)


Alabama coach Nick Saban called ESPN reporter Maria Taylor to apologize for his reaction to her question about the Crimson Tide's quarterback situation following their win over Louisville on Saturday night.

Actually his initial response was hardly “ classless” it was honest, if not brutally honest to a legitimately asked question.

We need more of those interactions between the media and coaches. We can do without the softball questions and the political responses. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
Who's the bigger scumbag..Saban or Meyer

Now there's a debate that could take awhile Bo.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 09:35:30 AM
Me too, though it has nothing to do with football...

Cousin ELLIS(U) looks good...

I like Coach O, he’s one of the good ones...


Lot of talent on the Tigers for sure Bo.

Hey, I'm down in the Low Country on vacation enjoying your great state again. I'm driving along in Myrtle and all off a sudden I'm passed(I was slowing down)by this Moped...


You wouldn't happen to have a helmet with some sort of yellow highlighting would you? :-)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 09:37:31 AM


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24554583
 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24554583)


Alabama coach Nick Saban called ESPN reporter Maria Taylor to apologize for his reaction to her question about the Crimson Tide's quarterback situation following their win over Louisville on Saturday night.

Actually his initial response was hardly “ classless” it was honest, if not brutally honest to a legitimately asked question.

We need more of those interactions between the media and coaches. We can do without the softball questions and the political responses.


Oh shit, I agree with you again.


Next thing you know dogs and cats will be living together.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
Me too, though it has nothing to do with football...

Cousin ELLIS(U) looks good...

I like Coach O, he’s one of the good ones...


Lot of talent on the Tigers for sure Bo.

Hey, I'm down in the Low Country on vacation enjoying your great state again. I'm driving along in Myrtle and all off a sudden I'm passed(I was slowing down)by this Moped...


You wouldn't happen to have a helmet with some sort of yellow highlighting would you? :-)

Not that I recall.  The dead giveaway is dual blue milk crating, front and back, was he punching it hard into the orange sunset??  For you see, the milk crates can hold a 12-pack each, as well as  various and sundry items, bag of corn nuts, moon pie, jerky, tobacco requirements, tolieties, WD40 and the like.  Every man is different, but if he cain’t fit his needs into two milk crates, well the world has done drug him in and down, and for his like, I have little use.  Of course, to that man I am a Swiss Army knife of moral compromise, in need of money, and my hands are already dirty.  He might want to catch me before 4, after 4, I get beer on the brain.

Nothing turns over a moped motor faster than that...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 03, 2018, 01:23:33 PM
I disagree with both of you.

In this case, the reporter's question was "What did you learn after watching both quarterbacks play today?"

He "inferred" that she was asking him if he had decided on a starter.  His response was childish and inappropriate.

Apparently he was able to see that he made a mistake, as he called her personally to apologize later.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
Hostility toward the media being an everyday event in our depressing political situation, I think that sort of rancor in sports is especially unfortunate.

Or when tone-deafness toward domestic violence 5 years after NFL players 1) throws girlfriend on couch of guns after severe beating (settled out of court, paid, plays for cowboys next season); 2) punches wife on elevator cam (2 then 4 day suspension), such as displayed by Meyer encroaches on good old football...ughhh...

If it’s hard to understand why a man would hit his wife...it’s unfathomable that someone would foster  a culture where domestic violence is tolerated..., but as long as Woody Hayes and Paterno apologists can be found at your local Buffalo Wild Wing, history is destined to repeat itself I guess...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 02:43:50 PM
I disagree with both of you.

In this case, the reporter's question was "What did you learn after watching both quarterbacks play today?"

He "inferred" that she was asking him if he had decided on a starter.  His response was childish and inappropriate.

Apparently he was able to see that he made a mistake, as he called her personally to apologize later.


IMO she was fishing, threw the tired old line in the water and waited to see if he would bite.

He apologized because he realized he might have hurt her delicate feelings. I can just about guarantee if she were a man no apology would have been forthcoming.


What I like about it is her toughness, she didn't bat an eyelash. My respect for her was already present but it grew even more right there. Big keyones on that lady.

And again, Saban was right, he's not going to disrespect one of those kids without talking with him and the team first. 'I get that', the press doesn't. And that is the way a real coach would and should handle the situation.
But, of course, all of the gentlemen of the press have to come to her defense.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
Hostility toward the media being an everyday event in our depressing political situation, I think that sort of rancor in sports is especially unfortunate.

Or when tone-deafness toward domestic violence 5 years after NFL players 1) throws girlfriend on couch of guns after severe beating (settled out of court, paid, plays for cowboys next season); 2) punches wife on elevator cam (2 then 4 day suspension), such as displayed by Meyer encroaches on good old football...ughhh...

If it’s hard to understand why a man would hit his wife...it’s unfathomable that someone would foster  a culture where domestic violence is tolerated..., but as long as Woody Hayes and Paterno apologists can be found at your local Buffalo Wild Wing, history is destined to repeat itself I guess...


BINGO.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 03, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
I disagree with both of you.

In this case, the reporter's question was "What did you learn after watching both quarterbacks play today?"

He "inferred" that she was asking him if he had decided on a starter.  His response was childish and inappropriate.

Apparently he was able to see that he made a mistake, as he called her personally to apologize later.
What are you disagreeing with?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2018, 04:38:26 PM
The ongoing amusement for me is how coaches regard their QB decision as being as secretive (and important) as nuclear launch codes and the press perpetuates the idea.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 03, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
The ongoing amusement for me is how coaches regard their QB decision as being as secretive (and important) as nuclear launch codes and the press perpetuates the idea.
Why wouldn’t a coach want to keep the other coach guessing?
My god that’s been part of sports for time immemorial. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 05:25:02 PM
The ongoing amusement for me is how coaches regard their QB decision as being as secretive (and important) as nuclear launch codes and the press perpetuates the idea.


Well, it is their job dude. It's not like they're tryin to keep the lunch menu a secret.


And in some cases it actually makes it tougher for the other team to prepare defensively if there is a vast difference in players skill set.

There are only so many reps available in practice. So maybe just a little effective.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 05:26:59 PM
Oh shit, I've agreed with Jim again.


Look out for werewolves tonight.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
What's up with Edwards. I know your school lost but you're coming a bit unglued over it dude.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
 Fair enough. Gamesmanship.  But I would love to see Saban say "it doesn't matter who our QB is."
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 05:36:06 PM
Saban overeacted to a legit question about what he saw from his QBs.

The reporter was doing her job.

Saban could have answered the question politely without, as he said, disrespecting either player.

If he doesn't want to answer legitimate questions perhaps he should not represent a University.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 06:20:54 PM
Saban overeacted to a legit question about what he saw from his QBs.

The reporter was doing her job.

Saban could have answered the question politely without, as he said, disrespecting either player.

If he doesn't want to answer legitimate questions perhaps he should not represent a University.


Okay overreacted I'll agree with that.  He overreacted. A little bit.


Not a Gundy 'I'm a man' overreaction. Or an Iverson 'Practice', Overreaction.

Certainly not a me responding to Stevie or him to me overreaction.



No, a short 'stop askin' me overreaction.



Pretty wimpy stuff compared to what we fling around in here. Where's the wink emoticon?   


I think the press got their nosey little shorts in a bit of a overreaction about it also. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2018, 06:38:16 PM
Robert M. Hutchins was right!!!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
If Coach Saban really thought it through he may come to the realization that the interest built by the press over-reacting to college football over the years pays him $10MM a year to teach football compared to a tiny fraction of that earned by some of his other tenured colleagues at the University of Alabama.

And I overreact here for the fun ot it, but for $10MM a year, I'd put some real heat behind it.

also its not the best look to look like a bully to a woman who's only trying to do her job.

Southern chivalry?

   
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 07:09:15 PM
I assume that C.H.U.D. was suspended 3 games w/o pay, otherwise it would be a hollow affront to the dignity that he does not possess.

Like when your husband hits you and is not suspended by the head coach??

See that’s a shot to the dignity.

Adding insult to injury for paid leave?

Where do I sign up??
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
If Coach Saban really thought it through he may come to the realization that the interest built by the press over-reacting to college football over the years pays him $10MM a year to teach football compared to a tiny fraction of that earned by some of his other tenured colleagues at the University of Alabama.

And I overreact here for the fun ot it, but for $10MM a year, I'd put some real heat behind it.

also its not the best look to look like a bully to a woman who's only trying to do her job.

Southern chivalry?

 

Agreed, he was a meanie.


10MM puts a lot of pressure on a man. The ordinary dude can't handle that shit. Every once in a while cracks appear.


Okay, slap him up I guess.  :=)




Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 08:24:35 PM
If Coach Saban really thought it through he may come to the realization that the interest built by the press over-reacting to college football over the years pays him $10MM a year to teach football compared to a tiny fraction of that earned by some of his other tenured colleagues at the University of Alabama.

And I overreact here for the fun ot it, but for $10MM a year, I'd put some real heat behind it.

also its not the best look to look like a bully to a woman who's only trying to do her job.

Southern chivalry?

 

Agreed, he was a meanie.


10MM puts a lot of pressure on a man. The ordinary dude can't handle that shit. Every once in a while cracks appear.


Okay, slap him up I guess.  :=)

Meanie?

He acted like a guy who never had a mike in front of him and IMO was defensive about a question any reporter would ask? What were your impressions of the QBs, coach?

I can understand his wanting to protect his kids, and avoid a QB controversy, but he should be ready for scrutiny in his chosen very public arena.   

He could have set a better example for his students than he did by doing a bad Belichick stonewall.

Finger-wagging done.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Looks like the Hokies came into town expecting to play some football.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 03, 2018, 08:30:52 PM
If Coach Saban really thought it through he may come to the realization that the interest built by the press over-reacting to college football over the years pays him $10MM a year to teach football compared to a tiny fraction of that earned by some of his other tenured colleagues at the University of Alabama.

And I overreact here for the fun ot it, but for $10MM a year, I'd put some real heat behind it.

also its not the best look to look like a bully to a woman who's only trying to do her job.

Southern chivalry?

 

Agreed, he was a meanie.


10MM puts a lot of pressure on a man. The ordinary dude can't handle that shit. Every once in a while cracks appear.


Okay, slap him up I guess.  :=)

Meanie?

He acted like a guy who never had a mike in front of him and IMO was defensive about a question any reporter would ask? What were your impressions of the QBs, coach?

I can understand his wanting to protect his kids, and avoid a QB controversy, but he should be ready for scrutiny in his chosen very public arena.   

He could have set a better example for his students than he did by doing a bad Belichick stonewall.

Finger-wagging done.


:-)

I like the Belichick thing.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 09:50:14 PM
Cutach*k sucks, and the worst is Pop, where you are only expected to give 1-2 lines, not a press conference, but a line going to the locker room at the half or whenever:  “What do you think about x...”...wait for it “We need to do better x...” and jogs off, fucking hilarious, how arch!!
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
Cutach*k sucks, and the worst is Pop, where you are only expected to give 1-2 lines, not a press conference, but a line going to the locker room at the half or whenever:  “What do you think about x...”...wait for it “We need to do better x...” and jogs off, fucking hilarious, how arch!!
Popovich is all schtick. Everybody knows it and nobody has a bad word to say about him.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 11:21:30 PM
Because the NFL has exclusive rights to misogynyguy??

Disgusting
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2018, 11:32:59 PM
?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 04, 2018, 12:14:58 AM
I’m not really trying to further the dialogue, which makes me as guilty as the next guy, I’m throwing Molotov cocktails into the jacuzzi of you’re imagination, I can’t help you with the conclusion of whether they blew up or not...that is none of my business.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 04, 2018, 07:44:49 AM
Who's the bigger scumbag..Saban or Meyer
Chuck Muncie.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 04, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
Are the Hokies that good of has Taggart got some real work yet to do with that Nole offense?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 04, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
After reading Edwards' latest maybe they should put a breathalyzer on his Twitter account entrance.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 04, 2018, 03:41:00 PM

And again, Saban was right, he's not going to disrespect one of those kids without talking with him and the team first. 'I get that', the press doesn't. And that is the way a real coach would and should handle the situation.


This is not about him not telling her who the starting QB was going to be.  If he had stopped after his first sentence or two things would have been fine.  "I like both kids.  I think they can both help us.  Next Question?"   that would have been no problem at all...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 04, 2018, 03:48:06 PM
I tend to agree it may be a calculated thing for Saban.  It's not like he doesn't know the question will be asked. He's had plenty of time to think of a proper response.  Part of why he gets paid all that money is for his ability to manage public and alumni relations.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 04, 2018, 05:22:05 PM
Herman says his team was overeager and falling over themselves.

I've watched the replay. His defense looks a little slow, especially the LBs and safeties.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 04, 2018, 07:26:31 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen...

IT’S TIME TO PLAY...

...WHO’S!!

...THE!!

...

...
 
ASSHOLE!!!???
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 04, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
I vote for me.


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 04, 2018, 08:09:13 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen...

Occassionally

...I

...think

...W

...T

...F

...!?!?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on September 04, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Quote
Quote
I vote for me.
Sorry Cap—You’re not allowed to be so self-serving when promoting yourself as Chief Asshole. No voting for yourself in this category….you’ll have to get your lawyer friend to vote for you. Think this will this be a problem for you?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 04, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
1 chud

2 potus drumphus

3 trashsabin
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 04, 2018, 11:17:16 PM
[email protected]???  Wtf???
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 04, 2018, 11:58:49 PM
Jokes, sorry fellas.

I’m out.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 05, 2018, 11:18:45 AM
Quote
Quote
I vote for me.
Sorry Cap—You’re not allowed to be so self-serving when promoting yourself as Chief Asshole. No voting for yourself in this category….you’ll have to get your lawyer friend to vote for you. Think this will this be a problem for you?


He and Skippy would probably vote for someone else just out of spite.




Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 05, 2018, 11:21:39 AM
1 chud

2 potus drumphus

3 trashsabin


Put me in as fourth, we'll have a playoff, I'll bring home the trophy for the glory of the Forum.


We need a fight song. STFU needs to be in the lyrics somewhere.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 05, 2018, 11:23:09 AM
Jokes, sorry fellas.

I’m out.


You can't be out. We were going to make you team mascot.




WTF?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 05, 2018, 12:27:34 PM
I'm back as "@" or "Aster" the cheerful t-shirt shooting hand to the ear I can't hear you mascot of "THE ASSHOLE STATE UNIVERSITY."

tASU
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 05, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
Would you tailgate with a few beers and a tossed salad?

Sorry.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 05, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
I've often had beer and tossed cookies.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 05, 2018, 02:56:35 PM
Don't whine Willie, you got whupped.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: SEC2 on September 05, 2018, 10:58:06 PM
Loser of the Week:
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 05, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
TA&M
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on September 06, 2018, 05:55:29 AM
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He and Skippy would probably vote for someone else just out of spite.

Well, I stand solidly behind you (so to speak)—except on Sept. 29th. If Greatest Asshole in the Forum is your goal I say go for it. It will be hard to edge out Hammy, but I believe you can do it. Goooooooooooooooo, Cargo.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 06, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
Quote
He and Skippy would probably vote for someone else just out of spite.

Well, I stand solidly behind you (so to speak)—except on Sept. 29th. If Greatest Asshole in the Forum is your goal I say go for it. It will be hard to edge out Hammy, but I believe you can do it. Goooooooooooooooo, Cargo.


I am humbled by your confidence in me D man.


Speaking of Sept 29th I was watching one of the College football programs on ESPN. The one with the poser from Michigan. He and one of the other experts were of the opinion that the best division in college football was the Big 10 East. Over, course the SEC West.

Looking at Massey's power rankings I see Bama #1, Auburn #8, and LSU #10

For The Ten I see OSU#4, Penn St, 7, Michigan 19.

 I'm not so sure about mighty Penn Sate seeing as how they struggled mightily against App St. Michigan at #19 seems a rather large discrepency to me. I would have to say advantage SEC.



The two MSUs are close with the Tigers at 18 and Spartans 20. Advantage none.

Then we would matchup Ole Miss at 36 with Indiana at #45. Advantage SEC.

#38 Texas A&M would then matchup with Maryland at #55. Advantage SEC.

Arkansas at 67 matches with I believe Rutgers sucking hind tit at #81. Advantage SEC.



Now after the Maryland win over Texas one could argue tht they were better than #55.Especially since Massey has the Shorthorns at #29.


If we supplant the Horns with Maryland we get a different picture.


With that we have,


Maryland #29 vs Ole Miss #36. Advantage B10


Texas A&M 38 vs Indiana 45. Advantage SEC.


Arkansas 67 vs Rutgers 81, Advantage SEC.





This second overall picture is still slanted towards the SEC, but the margins are much smaller.




Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Driver125 on September 06, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
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For The Ten I see OSU#4, Penn St, 7, Michigan 19.
Initially I was surprised by the Lion Cubs poor performance against the A. Hillbillies…..I thought “Oh good….maybe for once going to Happy Valley might not be like pulling teeth….” But then I remembered some of tOSU’s early season performances against heavy underdogs (creampuffs) in the past and I tempered my enthusiasm for the early unexpected demise of PSU. Now, I fully expect them to be their usual pain in the behinds by the 29th. They better be ready though—this QB for OSU appears to be the real deal, and paired with two experienced running backs the OSU offense is going to be very tough to handle.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 06, 2018, 04:41:03 PM
CLEM -12 at TAMU seems like a lot but I know they looked like shit last week.

Interested to see how Sparty responds after struggle vs. Utah State, who seemed better than advertised.  10:30-45 start EST is LATE vs. Herman’s Hermits of ASU.

Haven’t looked at Saturday slate.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 06, 2018, 04:41:32 PM
I am not enamored with our defense at all D-man. It would take a major difference in the next game to even begin to change my opinion on them.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 06, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
CLEM -12 at TAMU seems like a lot but I know they looked like shit last week.

Interested to see how Sparty responds after struggle vs. Utah State, who seemed better than advertised.  10:30-45 start EST is LATE vs. Herman’s Hermits of ASU.

Haven’t looked at Saturday slate.


The Aggies will give the Tigers a game I think JB but eke out a win.

I think the Spartans get a scare but edge the Sun Devils too.

But I wouldn't be at all majorly shocked to see both favored teams upset.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 06, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
I think the Sparty line is 6, and weird time, I like Bryan and Etienne running and taking air out.  If we score 24 we win, I don’t know how they it up more than 17, we could sh!thammer them if we get up a little and air it out to Tee et. al., no love lost between us and Jimbo Baggins.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 07, 2018, 09:49:34 AM
The Sparties seemed to have a bit of trouble pass blocking. IMO Az St has the potential to cause some trouble for them in that respect.


A&M is starting Mond which seems to indicate Jimbo is planning on running the ball. IMO they are going to need big plays to beat the Tigers as with that defense sustaining long drives will be difficult to say the least. I've heard that the Aggies have been practicing lining up in the I with the QB under center like Jimbo did at Fla St so I assume he may be running some pro sets. Mond has a good arm however so some big plays could materialize through the air. But I'm skeptical.


Pitt only has a few more games against us so I expect them to be playing their asses off even more than usual. This will be Narduzzi's most experienced defense so far. It should be a great game to watch.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 07, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
The Duke/N'Wstrn game should be interesting with the Wildcats looking to avenge that pounding they took last year. Should be a close game Thorson looked rusty last week. Duke has a decent defense and a pretty good QB.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2018, 11:04:07 AM
I think Thorson was a freshman when my son was.  My son is now 37.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 08, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
We are not a very physical team on defense, this will not bode well for us later on in the season. I am impressed by a couple of the Pitt DBs. Especially the kid.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 08, 2018, 10:25:34 PM
Gutless booth officiating in the Clem/A&M game. .
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 08, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
I like any call which turns Jimbo Fisher into a lunatic.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 08, 2018, 10:46:42 PM
He was animated wasn't he.



Still, gutless call.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 08, 2018, 10:57:19 PM
Trojans need to make some blocks.

Or have their QB do it himself, despite the OL play.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 08, 2018, 11:42:48 PM
I like any call which turns Jimbo Fisher into a lunatic.
Jimbo said it best after the game. “ It was a tough call. It’s part of the game”

======

The reality is replay(s) had no angle that could overturn the call on the field.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 09, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
You were right about earring it out, cap.

Pretty hostile environment.

I thought the ball went over the cone, but we were fortunate with the ruling on the field.

Our vaunted D gave up a lot of yards, but A&M is pretty good.

I feel better with Bryant in the game and not sure there is any logic to the qb substitution pattern,but on the other hand you can’t leave tlaw on sidelines all season.

It’s a “W,” cliched I know, but it’s all you really want at this time of the year on the road in SEC territory. 

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 09, 2018, 12:53:57 PM
You were right about earring it out, cap.

Pretty hostile environment.

I thought the ball went over the cone, but we were fortunate with the ruling on the field.

Our vaunted D gave up a lot of yards, but A&M is pretty good.

I feel better with Bryant in the game and not sure there is any logic to the qb substitution pattern,but on the other hand you can’t leave tlaw on sidelines all season.

It’s a “W,” cliched I know, but it’s all you really want at this time of the year on the road in SEC territory.


It was a fantastic game JB. I'm happy your guys won really bro.


Personally, I thought from where the ball hit the ground there was no way it could go over the pylon. I've always had a 3D brain when it comes to that sort of thing.

Some day some bright physics student is going to develop the math for where the ball left the guy's hands and where it made contact with the ground. If they can do it with baseball pitches they can do it with a football. But just doing the math from point of departure to point of contact should be an easy calc these days. Even if the numbers from departure and contact are crude, but decent estimations, the math should be able to be done. Put some ordinary NASA comps on it and they could come up with it in about ten minutes. Someone call Kennedy now. ;-)





I believe using the precise mathmatical formula you could accurately then plot the flight path of the football.

45 years ago I used to do that sort shit with a slide rule in 10th grade. Totally surprised that with the electronic stuff at our disposal in this age someone hasn't come up with it yet.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 09, 2018, 01:00:12 PM
The Duke/N'Wstrn game should be interesting with the Wildcats looking to avenge that pounding they took last year. Should be a close game Thorson looked rusty last week. Duke has a decent defense and a pretty good QB.


Looks like the Blue Demon defense was too much for the son of Thor.   
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 09, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
The Az St/Spartie game was past my bedtime. Watched a little of the first quarter it was clear that this game was going to be a battle.

Apparently the Spartans, once again, couldn't hold the pass.


The Huskers got Buffaloed too I see.



Lastly it was nice to see my team come out in the second half properly motivated. I would have loved to hear what was said in the locker room at halftime. :-)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 10, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
The Sun Devils PLAYED TO WIN THE GAME.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 10, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
The refs totally screwed us.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 10, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Hard fought game, good spectator game. Both teams can hold their heads up high just like the Clem/A&M game.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 11, 2018, 03:24:48 PM
Hard fought game, good spectator game. Both teams can hold their heads up high just like the Clem/A&M game.
Nonetheless,  the refs screwed us. I could not be more certain of this if I had actually seen the game. Literally.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 11, 2018, 04:08:01 PM
That's the only way anyone can lose to a Herm Edwards-"coached" team.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 11, 2018, 11:06:24 PM
Huh?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 12, 2018, 12:17:02 AM
It’s a dog whistle.

Herm is black.

He “coached” the winning team to play to win the game.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 03:45:49 AM
Good one! Herm's not much of a coach.  I've been using "coach" in quotes for years, likely from before you were born, and its use has been for all sports and its gently sarcastic tone  knows no racial boundaries. See my comments on "Coach" Mark Richt, one-time Clemson "mastermind"  Rick Barnes and a host of others. I could well be wrong in my assessment of these guys' coaching "ability" but it sure ain't because of race.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 12, 2018, 05:44:47 PM

Nonetheless,  the refs screwed us. I could not be more certain of this if I had actually seen the game. Literally.

Ditto
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 12, 2018, 06:38:42 PM
Good one! Herm's not much of a coach.  I've been using "coach" in quotes for years, likely from before you were born, and its use has been for all sports and its gently sarcastic tone  knows no racial boundaries. See my comments on "Coach" Mark Richt, one-time Clemson "mastermind"  Rick Barnes and a host of others. I could well be wrong in my assessment of these guys' coaching "ability" but it sure ain't because of race.

Ok, I’ll come off the racist charge then, but Herm “WON THE GAME.”

I think they had SCOREBOARDS before I was born, so you are familiar of how points are tallied, etc.

Rick Barnes beat Dean Smith in Wilmington, NC, on consecutive dunks.  I was there.  He can coach.  He lived halfway up Michael Dell hill in Austin by selling snake oil.  Maybe.  But he got there, ‘coach,” you should be an AD somewhere if you are such a good judge of intelligence and competence from the cheap seats, “coach,” how long did you say you’ve been making that joke?

Let me suggest:  “Too...”
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
 Ah. The ol' "if you know so much you should be X" line of attack. Makes posting here, or anywhere, a waste of time I guess. Okay, you win: every coach is good and every AD is wise. Kind of a twist on ESPN3's "every ref is good and every call is right" way of doing things.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 13, 2018, 12:35:29 AM
Yep
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 13, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
Good one! Herm's not much of a coach.  I've been using "coach" in quotes for years, likely from before you were born, and its use has been for all sports and its gently sarcastic tone  knows no racial boundaries. See my comments on "Coach" Mark Richt, one-time Clemson "mastermind"  Rick Barnes and a host of others. I could well be wrong in my assessment of these guys' coaching "ability" but it sure ain't because of race.

Ok, I’ll come off the racist charge then, but Herm “WON THE GAME.”

I think they had SCOREBOARDS before I was born, so you are familiar of how points are tallied, etc.

Rick Barnes beat Dean Smith in Wilmington, NC, on consecutive dunks.  I was there.  He can coach.  He lived halfway up Michael Dell hill in Austin by selling snake oil.  Maybe.  But he got there, ‘coach,” you should be an AD somewhere if you are such a good judge of intelligence and competence from the cheap seats, “coach,” how long did you say you’ve been making that joke?

Let me suggest:  “Too...”

Even though I've never met the dude, I can just about guarantee that there isn't a racist bone in YankGuy's body. He's probably the most fair minded guy in here. Racism just isn't in his makeup.


That being said, I lean more in your direction that Herm Edwards is a good coach. I don't think the guy made a particularly great Pro Football coach, much like Nick Saban. But some guys are better off being in the college coaching ranks. I think the college ranks can better support a variety of coaching styles than the Pro ranks.


As to coaching 'styles' I don't think you could have two more different guys than Edwards and Saban.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 13, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
 Not necessary, but thanks just the same Cap'n. Kind words always appeciated.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 14, 2018, 01:25:16 PM
I withdrew the racism remark once he gave the comment a more broad context.

Coaches also have different skill sets of course, I see Herm as a motivator and leader of men, creating a culture of high expectation from you and of your “brothers.”  In a much more subdued way, that’s Dabo’s strength, culture, particularly one that recruits well.

I think that’s critical in football, whereas, say, in basketball, sets, plays, substitutions, clock management, etc., are easier to discern by the average fan, that is, whether a coach is good or bad at it.  Most football games are largely won or lost before the teams take the field, conditioning, confidence, skill, preparation.

Didn’t mean to take the token racist honor from Utley, even for one post.  He has bad mean streak of regional bigotry as well, sad.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 08:57:38 PM
Liking Rutgers getting 3 at Kansas

and T Tech home to HOU, getting 1.5.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 14, 2018, 11:17:14 PM
Thoughts and prayers
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 11:17:17 AM
Same here JB.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 11:34:15 AM
I see Herbie is predicting a Vandy upset of ND, I tend to agree that the 14 point spread is high.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Liking Rutgers getting 3 at Kansas

and T Tech home to HOU, getting 1.5.


I'm liking Rutgers too.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 15, 2018, 01:14:57 PM
Was about to post that Troy +10.5 at NEB looks like free $$, but then they cut into CLEM coverage and Troy 10-0 and driving, so just sayin’
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 02:25:43 PM
Apparently Willie's team not above faking a cramp either.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 02:29:05 PM
So much for what I think. Jayhawks kicking Rutgers butt.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
Terps go in a little too cocky against the Owls.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:07:58 PM
Was about to post that Troy +10.5 at NEB looks like free $$, but then they cut into CLEM coverage and Troy 10-0 and driving, so just sayin’

JB-hope you and the moped are weathering Flo.

stay well
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 04:29:11 PM
Liking Rutgers getting 3 at Kansas

and T Tech home to HOU, getting 1.5.


I'm liking Rutgers too.

The Mush.......
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 15, 2018, 06:21:23 PM
Was about to post that Troy +10.5 at NEB looks like free $$, but then they cut into CLEM coverage and Troy 10-0 and driving, so just sayin’

JB-hope you and the moped are weathering Flo.

stay well

Thanks, but I was actually in one of the South Cack counties that didn’t evac, but otherwise I may or may not have stayed right damn put, shit, most people would be surprised what you can do with some bungee cord and a fifth of vodka, or punched into the orange sunset.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 15, 2018, 06:55:31 PM
Starting to sense that Big 10 haters are going to have fun this season
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 15, 2018, 09:13:13 PM
Have you accepted the Christian horned frog as your...

...I mean, that environment, is like, hostile, man, it’s not a league game, but still...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 09:26:33 PM
Bama is a friggin machine.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
LSU takes out Auburn, Malzahn couldn't get away from Ed fast enough after the one second congrats at midfield. LOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 15, 2018, 09:39:50 PM
FSU Coach may be fired mid-season.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 10:25:56 PM
Pitiful offense.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Good call. 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 15, 2018, 10:57:39 PM
Well that wasn't good Scotty.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 15, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
How does a team fall 23 points behind  to a team that lost to Maryland?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 16, 2018, 12:20:22 AM
 Coach O, not good looking enough to be Hollywood, never considered, motherfucker of the day, with a crawdad on top, fuck you you Auburn, and your Brie and Chardonnay and fuck your vineyard vine redneck ass born to the manor tar heel mirror pu$$y...

...bye bye dickhead...
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 16, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
Starting to sense that Big 10 haters are going to have fun this season

What makes you think they don't have fun every season? 

But I assume you mean the demise of the offensive juggernaut Wisconsin Badgers or the formerly great Nebraska Cornhuskers.


Maybe it was Northwestern going down to their cupcake or Maryland going down to theirs.


Maybe it was Rutgers going town to Big 12 Kansas in the All-Doormat Bowl.


Purdue is now 0-3.



Look on the Brightside, Michigan won. And Indiana and Minnesota have played three cupcake games in a row each and both have 'managed' to win all of them.




Arizona St lost. :=)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 16, 2018, 12:17:38 PM
SanDiego State won a game by targeting a receiver on a Hail Mary pass.
I guess no rule can prevent that.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Starting to sense that Big 10 haters are going to have fun this season

What makes you think they don't have fun every season? 

They were very quiet after last year's bowl season, especially those whose testicles were buried with Silve who used to claim that bowl results defined the season.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 02:32:58 PM
That being said, tbe West is even weaker than usual this year. But on the bright side tOSU won in a hostile place and now has wins over two power five schools OOC, one of which was ranked, tPSU has been i.pressi e, and Maryland is officially 28 points better than Southern Cal.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 16, 2018, 03:21:13 PM
Starting to sense that Big 10 haters are going to have fun this season

What makes you think they don't have fun every season? 

They were very quiet after last year's bowl season, especially those whose testicles were buried with Silve who used to claim that bowl results defined the season.


Look who's come out of the basement. One good bowl season and you have balls of steel. LOL


I didn't even mention your team's loss to what you used to call the west coast pooftahs. ;=)


And besided he said season, not postseason. I mean it's your word not mine. Tagline, if you can't figure out what I mean and need some help as always.

But then you always were/are a my shit doesn't stink, just other people's, sorta dude weren't you.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
Sorry if the truth hurts you.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 16, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
Yes it does hurt to see a one time fine poster sink to the level you have.

Well, at least you're sorry. ;=) 
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 16, 2018, 04:12:02 PM
Kinda matches the stinky 'sorry' shit you post.


Well, I suppose you have to go with the strength you have left these days.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
Once again, I am sorry that you get butt hurt and brainlessly lash out at others when your hypocrisy is pointed out to you.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 16, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
No hypocrisy, except for yours. Dichotomous was your latest attempt to be, try to be I should say, clever. Your cleverness got shoved down your whiney mouth. Not my fault, your fault. That and your 'my shit don't stink' mantra hypocrisy.


I suppose being the asshole you insist on being at times, you just can't help opening your big yap and then getting slapped around for it. Again though not my fault. Some day maybe you'll learn to keep quiet, although I doubt it. ;=)


But I suppose I'll forgive your arrogance yet again so no worries bra. 


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 16, 2018, 08:15:40 PM

Week 3 Notes;

Another 3rd string OSU QB now a LSU signal caller ( Jeaux Burrow) hits clutch passes on last minute drive and watches fellow transfer Cole Tracy (Assumption College)boot a 42 yard walk-off field goal to secure a top ten ranking in the AP poll. Ed Ogeron has an offense and his 3rd win against a top ten opponent since taking over at LSU. He is now tied in that department with Nick and Urban.

Florida State secures the number 5 spot in rankings of Florida teams.
Look for Nick, Urban, and Dabo to raid the  Sunshine State for even more recruits.

Akron beat Northwestern for its first win against a ( future) Big Ten team (Ohio State) since 1894.
For the day the Big Ten lost seven nonconference games to unranked teams for the first time in the history of the AP Poll (since 1936).


Boston College has scored at least 40 points in an ACC game five times. Four of those five are in BC’s past six conference games.
Might want to mark down November 10 as it could be the key ACC game of the year, Clemson @ BC. 

North Texas is 3-0 for the first time since 1989 and beat an SEC team ( Arkansas) for the first time since 1975.  The final score in the 44-17 rout was a classic. 
 
https://youtu.be/CLtvtvUj-aU
 (https://youtu.be/CLtvtvUj-aU)


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
No hypocrisy, except for yours. Dichotomous was your latest attempt to be, try to be I should say, clever. Your cleverness got shoved down your whiney mouth. Not my fault, your fault. That and your 'my shit don't stink' mantra hypocrisy.


I suppose being the asshole you insist on being at times, you just can't help opening your big yap and then getting slapped around for it. Again though not my fault. Some day maybe you'll learn to keep quiet, although I doubt it. ;=)


But I suppose I'll forgive your arrogance yet again so no worries bra.
You seem peeved. Perhaps some warm cocoa. Maybe a cookie.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: bosox26d on September 17, 2018, 03:03:35 AM
I'm still in awe how Austin Peay pissed all over Morehead State
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 17, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
No hypocrisy, except for yours. Dichotomous was your latest attempt to be, try to be I should say, clever. Your cleverness got shoved down your whiney mouth. Not my fault, your fault. That and your 'my shit don't stink' mantra hypocrisy.


I suppose being the asshole you insist on being at times, you just can't help opening your big yap and then getting slapped around for it. Again though not my fault. Some day maybe you'll learn to keep quiet, although I doubt it. ;=)


But I suppose I'll forgive your arrogance yet again so no worries bra.
You seem peeved. Perhaps some warm cocoa. Maybe a cookie.

Yep.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 17, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24700294/lsu-jumps-no-6-rankings-wisconsin-tumbles-top-10 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24700294/lsu-jumps-no-6-rankings-wisconsin-tumbles-top-10)


LSU has another game manager QB, a retread from OSU. A lot of folks are pointing to that being the turning point for the Tigers. But IMO they are completely overlooking the work of LSU's OL. They are the men responsible for keeping Burrows, more of a game manager than anything else, clean Saturday against a formidable Auburn DL that took Washington's OL apart in week 1. The LSU defense is stout as always.

Some Week 3 team stats.

Alabama leads to nation in Offensive ppg at 56.7

Stanford leads the nation in Defensive ppg at 7.7

The SEC has 10 teams in the Top 25 in Scoring Defense.

Texas Tech leads the nation in YPG at 624

The aforementioned North Texas leads the nation in Interceptions with 9.

Believe it or not Oklahoma State leads the nation in sacks with 16.

Tua Tagovailoa leads the nation in Qbr at 98.3

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 17, 2018, 12:06:38 PM
https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-saturday-shine-and-shame-willie-taggart (https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-saturday-shine-and-shame-willie-taggart)


Ohio State's defense – The defense came up big when it was needed in the win over TCU with two defensive touchdowns. The front four is just a shade less talented than Clemson's but is one of the most dangerous units in the country.


Dwayne Haskins Ohio State – Haskins is a true Heisman candidate who has a great arm and has been taking care of the football very well.


Joe Burrow LSU, His completion percentage isn’t good but this kid is a winner and did just enough to lead his team down for the winning score against Auburn.


Alabama's passing game – The Crimson Tide have become one of the most dangerous offenses in the country and Jerry Jeudy is next in line when it comes to Florida receivers starring in Tuscaloosa.


Clemson's running game – The Tigers can kill you in so many different ways. The opponent wasn’t a good one but the running game was still very impressive and carried the day.


Georgia's efficiency – Jake Frommis completing a ridiculous amount of his passes, the running game is as effective as last year and the Bulldogs honestly look like the same exact team that went to the title game.

 
Kyler Murray, Oklahoma – He continues to feel comfortable in the offense and the Sooners haven’t missed a beat despite the departure of Baker Mayfield. That is amazing.


BYU's running game – The Cougars gashed a tough Wisconsin defense all game long en route to the upset of the weekend. I haven’t seen many teams push Wisconsin around on offense like BYU did. 


Washington – A big win in a tough environment. Myles Gaskin came alive and they did just enough in the passing game and on defense for a hard fought victory.


Syracuse – The Orange had their way with Florida State on offense and defense. The game never seemed to be in question.


Trace McSorley, Penn State – Whether it’s by air or on the ground, he finds a way to win and continues to impress. Yes the competition was awful, but this kid continues to show all the intangibles of a great quarterback.


Taylor Cornelius, Oklahoma State – There was supposed to be a big drop off from Mason Rudolp to Cornelius but there hasn’t been one. He’s been very effective and was the key on offense in a huge win over Boise State.


Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan – Three touchdown catches in a great game. He’s starting to develop that chemistry with Shea Patterson.


Texas – How about those Longhorns? After a loss to Maryland and a squeaker against Tulsa, they come out and dominated USC in so many ways. Could this be a turning point victory?


Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
Alabama is starting to make people who did not pick them as #1 look very stupid.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 12:23:02 PM
https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-saturday-shine-and-shame-willie-taggart (https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-stance-saturday-shine-and-shame-willie-taggart)


Ohio State's defense – The defense came up big when it was needed in the win over TCU with two defensive touchdowns. The front four is just a shade less talented than Clemson's but is one of the most dangerous units in the country.


Dwayne Haskins Ohio State – Haskins is a true Heisman candidate who has a great arm and has been taking care of the football very well.


Joe Burrow LSU, His completion percentage isn’t good but this kid is a winner and did just enough to lead his team down for the winning score against Auburn.
I think we saw why Meyer went with Haskins, and why Barrow was in contention to start.
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Alabama's passing game – The Crimson Tide have become one of the most dangerous offenses in the country and Jerry Jeudy is next in line when it comes to Florida receivers starring in Tuscaloosa.


Clemson's running game – The Tigers can kill you in so many different ways. The opponent wasn’t a good one but the running game was still very impressive and carried the day.
Given that defense, and specifically that defensive line, ClemSIN's ability to run the ball might make some of the questions about the QB position irrelevant. Well, that and the South Atlantic League not really having an elite level second team. Jesus, Florida State....
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Georgia's efficiency – Jake Frommis completing a ridiculous amount of his passes, the running game is as effective as last year and the Bulldogs honestly look like the same exact team that went to the title game.

 
Kyler Murray, Oklahoma – He continues to feel comfortable in the offense and the Sooners haven’t missed a beat despite the departure of Baker Mayfield. That is amazing.
ISU had been a thorn in OK's hide. Be interesting to see that OK - TCU game.
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BYU's running game – The Cougars gashed a tough Wisconsin defense all game long en route to the upset of the weekend. I haven’t seen many teams push Wisconsin around on offense like BYU did. 
They need to go back to the old scheduling rubric at Wisky. Cupcake, cupcake, cupcake. Right now, I am not sure who the class of the West is - maybe still Wisky - but it is looking more and more like the four best teams in the Big 10 are in the East.
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Washington – A big win in a tough environment. Myles Gaskin came alive and they did just enough in the passing game and on defense for a hard fought victory.


Syracuse – The Orange had their way with Florida State on offense and defense. The game never seemed to be in question.


Trace McSorley, Penn State – Whether it’s by air or on the ground, he finds a way to win and continues to impress. Yes the competition was awful, but this kid continues to show all the intangibles of a great quarterback.


Taylor Cornelius, Oklahoma State – There was supposed to be a big drop off from Mason Rudolp to Cornelius but there hasn’t been one. He’s been very effective and was the key on offense in a huge win over Boise State.


Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan – Three touchdown catches in a great game. He’s starting to develop that chemistry with Shea Patterson.


Texas – How about those Longhorns? After a loss to Maryland and a squeaker against Tulsa, they come out and dominated USC in so many ways. Could this be a turning point victory?
Maybe USC is not what we thought they were. Did they let Helton on the plane?
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: jbottle on September 17, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
Word on Tua, even an AUB fan has to be all GEE WHIZ.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 17, 2018, 06:22:28 PM


LSU has another game manager QB, a retread from OSU.
Guess this ESPN guy never uses a dictionary.



re·tread
verb
rēˈtred
put a new tread on (a worn tire).

noun
ˈrēˌtred
a tire that has been given a new tread.


Last year Burrow was not on the Buckeye depth chart at QB but rose to third by the end of the year. In two seasons he saw mopup action in all of seven games.
In effect LSU got a brand new tire, not a retread. (and OSU graduate)

As for being a game manager check out his 4th quarter heroics at Auburn.

Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 17, 2018, 06:38:51 PM


LSU has another game manager QB, a retread from OSU.
Guess this ESPN guy never uses a dictionary.



re·tread
verb
rēˈtred
put a new tread on (a worn tire).

noun
ˈrēˌtred
a tire that has been given a new tread.


Last year Burrow was not on the Buckeye depth chart at QB but rose to third by the end of the year. In two seasons he saw mopup action in all of seven games.
In effect LSU got a brand new tire, not a retread. (and OSU graduate)

As for being a game manager check out his 4th quarter heroics at Auburn.


Heroics thanks to that OL. Washington couldn't stop those guys but the Auburn DL got mostly stonewalled by the Bayou Bengals big guys up front. Burrows self admittedly said he didn't have a good day but his OL kept him asically clean all game.


As to the retread thing, if it makes you feel good okie dokie Skipster have it your way.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 17, 2018, 07:54:59 PM


LSU has another game manager QB, a retread from OSU.
Guess this ESPN guy never uses a dictionary.



re·tread
verb
rēˈtred
put a new tread on (a worn tire).

noun
ˈrēˌtred
a tire that has been given a new tread.


Last year Burrow was not on the Buckeye depth chart at QB but rose to third by the end of the year. In two seasons he saw mopup action in all of seven games.
In effect LSU got a brand new tire, not a retread. (and OSU graduate)

As for being a game manager check out his 4th quarter heroics at Auburn.


As to the retread thing, if it makes you feel good okie dokie Skipster have it your way.
Ask Ogeron, not me.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 17, 2018, 11:42:13 PM
It took 15 years, but it looks like Steve's old PAWCP label finally fits.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 18, 2018, 09:02:25 AM


LSU has another game manager QB, a retread from OSU.
Guess this ESPN guy never uses a dictionary.



re·tread
verb
rēˈtred
put a new tread on (a worn tire).

noun
ˈrēˌtred
a tire that has been given a new tread.


Last year Burrow was not on the Buckeye depth chart at QB but rose to third by the end of the year. In two seasons he saw mopup action in all of seven games.
In effect LSU got a brand new tire, not a retread. (and OSU graduate)

As for being a game manager check out his 4th quarter heroics at Auburn.


As to the retread thing, if it makes you feel good okie dokie Skipster have it your way.
Ask Ogeron, not me.

Never asked you anything in the first place. Just placating you.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 18, 2018, 09:04:43 AM
It took 15 years, but it looks like Steve's old PAWCP label finally fits.


Not entirely.

16-13
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 18, 2018, 01:00:44 PM
It took 15 years, but it looks like Steve's old PAWCP label finally fits.
Hey, a PAC conference member beat the best team in the country, albeit in their own stadium with what I can only assume was a huge assist from the referees.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Espnthree on September 18, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
It took 15 years, but it looks like Steve's old PAWCP label finally fits.
The Big Ten West is thankful for Pac12 South.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 19, 2018, 08:30:07 AM
It took 15 years, but it looks like Steve's old PAWCP label finally fits.
The Big Ten West is thankful for Pac12 South.

More thankful for the MAC. LOL
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 19, 2018, 09:43:00 AM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24714743/most-important-college-football-game-top-25-team

 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24714743/most-important-college-football-game-top-25-team)


No. 3 Clemson: Nov. 10 at Boston College:

 No team appears to have an easier path to the playoff than the Tigers, who have just one ranked opponent -- No. 23 Boston College -- remaining on their slate. Don't overlook that BC game, though. A mid-November trip to Chestnut Hill is always a challenge, and just last year, the Eagles took Clemson to the wire -- the game was tied early in the fourth quarter -- in Death Valley. This season's BC team is better than last season's, too, and with A.J. Dillon carrying the ball and chewing up clock, there's a real recipe for an upset. -- David M. Hale




No. 4 Ohio State: Sept. 29 at Penn State: Judging by the rest of the Big Ten East and how the season has played out so far, it looks as though Ohio State's most important game will come when the Buckeyes travel to Happy Valley. Both teams have put up big numbers offensively so far this season, and this game came down to the fourth quarter in 2017, with Ohio State sneaking away with a 39-38 victory. If they get through this one, the Buckeyes should have a good shot at returning to the Big Ten championship game and potentially the College Football Playoff. -- Tom VanHaaren


No. 7 Stanford: Nov. 3 at Washington: The Cardinal appear to be the Pac-12's best bet for the College Football Playoff at this point but face a brutal schedule that still includes three road games against teams that are undefeated. And that doesn't include the one that figures to be the toughest: at No. 10 Washington. Oregon, Cal and Washington State are all undefeated, but the two clear favorites remain the Huskies and Cardinal. The assumption here is the winner of their game in Seattle will go on to win the conference title. -- Kyle Bonagura



No. 24 Michigan State: Oct. 20 vs. Michigan: The most important game could certainly be the one against Penn State, at Happy Valley, which could show us what kind of team Michigan State really is. But the following week, Michigan comes to town. Winning that game and going 3-1 over the past four seasons against Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio could put an emphatic stamp on his time in East Lansing. The Spartans are not out of it, but a Big Ten run seems unlikely, so winning this game would be a big deal this season. Losing it would have as important consequences the other way as well. -- VanHaaren



And:


No. 18 Wisconsin: Saturday at Iowa: There's no time like the present. This game more than any will shape the Big Ten West race. And the Badgers' home loss last week to BYU only heightens the urgency to get back to their brand of physical football. Lose this, and games at Michigan and Penn State won't mean as much. Adding to the attractiveness of the night-game matchup, Iowa has allowed 126 rushing yards -- the fewest nationally among teams to play three games. -- Sherman



Cappy Note: Iowa is 3-0. Win this game and their schedule looks pretty favorable all things considered with only an away game at State College to majorly bar their path to an undefeated game. Since they are in the 'weakish' Big 10 West, this could be another perfect storm season for the Hawkeyes like 2015 until Mich State ruined their parade.
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 20, 2018, 01:07:00 PM
Will Michigan finish with the Big Ten's best class?


https://n.rivals.com/news/ask-farrell-will-michigan-finish-with-the-big-ten-s-best-class- (https://n.rivals.com/news/ask-farrell-will-michigan-finish-with-the-big-ten-s-best-class-)
Title: Re: College Football
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
I know of one highly-gifted individual who's already a freshman there.