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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 11:24:09 AM »

Multiple stories here:

The couple shooting at folks "to protect" themselves.

The couple not putting down their weapons when told to by the police.

The couple not being shot by the police.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 10:51:40 AM »
So, should Biden lose, do you think it's time you guys get rid of Pelosi?

I think Pelosi has done a terrific job.

Except for her trip to the hairdresser...

which is window dressing, a focus for Kid and the GOP because they have nothing of positive substance to talk about other than the stock market and that news is no longer providing the big positive boost they want and need.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 10:42:33 AM »

Another lie uncovered.

Another insult to out troops.

In the world of President Donald Trump, he has paid his respects to “many, many” returning soldiers killed in the line of duty, with daughter and top presidential aide Ivanka Trump adding that “each time” she has stood by his side at one of these ceremonies, it has hardened his resolve to bring troops home.

In the real world, Trump has traveled to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware exactly four times ― fewer than half as many times as his vice president ― and avoided going at all for nearly two years after getting berated for his incompetence by the father of a slain Navy SEAL, according to a former White House aide who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Kid, who supports anonymous airplane reports but complains about anonymous political reports, will no doubt vacillate between questioning the source and questioning why it matters that the president go, let alone why it matters that he lied (yet again).

And he'll bitch about our belief that Trump is a liar.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 10:13:23 AM »
This is where we are; the law-and-order "president" has called for his supporters to commit felonies on his behalf and it gets one mention on the forum because, you know, Trump.


kiidcarter8 sees no conflict in Trump calling for criminal acts in his name while claiming to be for law-and-order because he knows what laws and what order Trump is talking about when he says it, and is all for its selective use against the people he doesn't like.

It's less that he sees none and more that he doesn't give a damn. "He promised to be a different kind of president, and he is," Kid has said repeatedly. And he pursues what Kid pretends to think are good objectives. (I would phrase it as "pretends to pursue," but that's hare splitting.)

(Poor rabbit.)

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 10:09:50 AM »
I'd go with Liz Warren.  I think she's fantastic.
A Hillary-Trump rematch would be good.

Or in a grand gesture ... Michelle Obama.
An Obama-Harris ticket would be ridiculously historic, and Trump would probably win against an all-Black female ticket.

Hill's negatives are still ridiculous. Only reason I did not name her. And your conclusion on Michelle aligned with mine.

What I went for was somebody at least as far left as Biden, with a strong positive rating. We have no politicians with the combination of popularity and name recognition to work for an incredibly short campaign - the fight to define them would be vicious. And Oprah would bring some of the same problems that Michelle would, though not all.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 03:04:15 AM »
I think you missed the "cigars for all" provision in a hidden sub-clause ...

An interesting sub-question, would the Harris VP nomination stand, or would the new presidential nominee get to re-Veep?

It stands unless they make her the nominee for president. Otherwise there is no vacancy for them to fill and the DNC vote holds. There is no provision to undo the vote.

Bernie would make the argument that he should be the nominee as the 2nd highest vote getter, but it's just an argument with no power inherent to it. That status may influence some of the public, but...

Harris would argue that just as she would take over had they been elected, so too should she under this circumstance. That argument, too, has no power inherent to it.

I think I'd recommend Bill Gates.

I don't think Tony Fauci would take it, though if you told him it would help to save lives he might.

Sanders is the most popular, best known among the eligible political Dems, but I think his negatives are too high with too many. And Gates could handle the negative shit thrown at him more effectively than anybody else.

I'd rather not have to have the DNC make that decision, though, Really.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 02:22:12 AM »
So what happens if Biden starts touring Kenosha, assessing the damage, talking to residents, etc and a dozen right wing armed militia types show up and hang around?
How does the Secret Service handle that?

And what about if some deranged Cesar Sayoc-type Trump supporter is worried Trump is behind, that a Biden presidency will lead to chaos and decides to take Biden out?  How would the nation and the Dems deal with Biden getting gunned down?
Kamala?  Hillary?  Bernie?  A smoky backroom re-convention where they select Liz Warren on the 7th ballot?

According to the party's bylaws, the party's Chair would call a meeting of the National Committee, and the Committee members at the meeting would vote to fill the vacancy on the ticket. Obviously, a candidate must receive a majority of the votes to win the party's nod. (Article 3, Section 1(c) covers it very succinctly and without specificity: "The Democratic National Committee shall have general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions, subject to the provisions of this Charter and to the resolutions or other actions of the National Convention. This responsibility shall include:
(a) (irrelevant)
(b) (irrelevant)
(c) filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of President and Vice President;"

Who? A fine question. There is no guidance for how the National Committee shall fulfill that responsibility in the case of an absence.

I don't know that they would need to acquire a smoke machine for the process, however.

I'll note that Mike Dukakis is tanned, rested, and ready.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 02:02:51 AM »
Just a few bad apples...

This is from March, but the footage was just released.

Which part of police procedure calls for putting a hood on a suspect under any circumstances?!

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 01:51:29 AM »
Uruguay has done quite well combating the Virus.
1,626 cases; 44 deaths of 3.5M people.
They are said to have an excellent health care service.

That's especially true given how its neighbors are doing. Even Argentina is doing well, considering Chile, but both Uruguay and Paraguay have done quite well.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 01:46:13 AM »
Australia (govt) has been criticised for overreacting to  Coronavirus/Covid-19....destroying its society and economy.

Trump did not overreact...but he's still being criticised.

That’s because we have nearly 200000 dead and the economy is headed for a cliff. Trump and Republicans won’t move to help people unless they get liability protection for corporations and companies who may have or is in the process of fucking over their employees.

Trump is killing more people faster and with less discrimination than any active shooter in American history. It’s time for the mythical good guys with guns to step up and end the trump threat.

Do not call for the assassination of the president.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 01:45:19 AM »
As previously reported by Law&Crime, the North Dakota construction firm that built the structurally unsound wall, Fisher Sand & Gravel, was also awarded a record-high $1.3 billion government contract to erect a portion of the federally funded U.S.-Mexico border wall. Despite FSG’s prototype being rejected by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for lacking in both “quality” and “sophistication,” President Trump directly inserted himself into the process for evaluating and awarding the contracts, lobbying on behalf of FSG and the firm’s CEO Tommy Fisher.

Fisher, who has made a number of Fox News guest appearances in the past, reportedly sold Trump on his company by playing to his impatience with the lack of progress on his signature campaign promise, telling the president he could build the wall faster and cheaper than other contractors bidding on the project. Fisher described his design as the “Lamborghini” of walls.

The rosy outlook was not shared by Alex Mayer, a professor of civil engineering at the University of Texas at El Paso who reviewed both reports.
“It seems like they are cutting corners everywhere,” Mayer told ProPublica. “It’s not a Lamborghini, it’s a $500 used car.”

How... surprising.

Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: September 03, 2020, 12:18:37 AM »
Fucking dope:

When Trump was asked by local news station WECT in Wilmington, North Carolina, whether he was confident in the state's absentee voting system, the President launched into a somewhat rambling answer.

"Well, they'll go out and they'll go vote, and they're going to have to go and check their vote by going to the poll and voting that way, because if it tabulates, then they won't be able to do that," Trump said on the tarmac in front of Air Force One. "So, let them send it in, and let them go vote, and if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they won't be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do."

The President later told people to send in their ballots, saying, "Send them in strong, whether it's solicited or unsolicited. The absentees are fine. You have to work to get them, you know."

"And you send them in, but you go to vote. And if they haven't counted it, you can vote. So that's the way I feel," he said.

Trump essentially encouraged voters to test the state's voting system.

According to North Carolina law, it's a felony "for any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or to induce another to do so, in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election."

Richard Pildes, a CNN election law analyst and professor at the New York University School of Law, said there are both legal and public policy implications to what Trump said.

"First, the legal perspective: all states have mechanisms in place to make sure a voter cannot cast both an absentee vote and an in-person vote," Pildes said. "A typical rule is that if your absentee ballot has not yet been received and you show up to vote in person, your in-person vote will be counted and your absentee ballot will be rejected. But if your absentee ballot is already recorded as having been received, you will be asked to cast what's called a provisional ballot and that ballot will then not be counted once it's confirmed your absentee ballot has been received."

"But from a public policy perspective, these comments are only going to stir enormous confusion," he added.

Rick Hasen, a professor of law and political science at University of California-Irvine and a CNN analyst, said that while a case could be made that Trump was joking, the bigger question is about the intent of his remarks.

"It sounds like he was suggesting an attempt at double voting as a means of testing the integrity of the system, or assuring that his voters can cast at least one ballot for him. Is that a fraudulent intent? I could see how a jury could find it to be so, especially given Trump's other statements suggesting he believes that such double voting would not be caught by election officials," Hasen wrote on his "Election Law Blog."

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