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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 18, 2019, 12:39:44 PM »
Grumpy Cat, however, died from being a sourpuss and deserved it.  We don't need cynical grifters like that.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 18, 2019, 11:47:38 AM »
Death penalty naysayers

What do you do with this lovely lady?


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/us/marlen-ochoa-lopez-friday-court/index.html




Sounds like a psychopath.  We have max security prisons for such persons, and LWOP would be the proper sentence, as Boz said.  I admit that, if there were some extremity of viciousness that led a society to say "this person is beyond redemption and not fit to live," this woman would be a likely candidate.  One of those rare cases where my own DP objections are sorely tested.  But....have we ruled out a psychotic break and all possibility of future treatment and rehabilitation?  IOW, are we omniscient?


60 year old lady leaving prison:  "I have been rehabiltated"

Onlooker:  "What did you do?"

Lady:  "I cut open a pregnant woman's belly and removed the child"

Really? 

heh

When your reading skills improve, you'll be able to decode what LWOP means.  And the importance of a court determining if she's a psychopath (very likely) or had a psychosis into which other family members were drawn (unlikely).  Killing someone with profound mental illness will not bring back the dead, in any case. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 17, 2019, 09:42:14 PM »
Death penalty naysayers

What do you do with this lovely lady?


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/us/marlen-ochoa-lopez-friday-court/index.html

Sounds like a psychopath.  We have max security prisons for such persons, and LWOP would be the proper sentence, as Boz said.  I admit that, if there were some extremity of viciousness that led a society to say "this person is beyond redemption and not fit to live," this woman would be a likely candidate.  One of those rare cases where my own DP objections are sorely tested.  But....have we ruled out a psychotic break and all possibility of future treatment and rehabilitation?  IOW, are we omniscient? 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 17, 2019, 06:41:45 PM »
Quote
Grumpy Cat died Tuesday at age 7 due to complications from a urinary tract infection, her owner, Tabatha Bundeson, said Friday on Instagram. The catís real name, for the record, was Tardar Sauce....     
  - LA Times

First she went viral, then she went...bacterial. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 17, 2019, 03:28:04 PM »
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  Pic of Ms Wood works same as vasectomyiagra... 

FIFY



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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 17, 2019, 09:49:02 AM »
I had a reno project this Spring that required wrangling 60 lb bags of cement.  The only reason my back was up to it was that I've been shoveling snow twice a week since last November.  That said, I see a snowblower maybe 20 years in my future, something that as a Greenie I once swore I'd never touch.  And I'll bet they are surprisingly easy to get used to. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 16, 2019, 05:43:21 PM »
Boise will be Boise.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 16, 2019, 01:08:08 PM »
No use.  Anything I bring up through research ... not my knowledge of the subject - you will refute.

If you bring facts, they will be respected.  You're among grownups, kid.  As Moynihan said, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but we aren't entitled to our own facts.  Facts consist of true statements about reality.  Facts are the statements no one can poke holes in.  Water is wet.  Tucson is often sunny.  Fire stops when you cut off the oxygen. The national debt is so many dollars.  If you've got solid ones, great.  If you don't, then you can be grateful for advancing your learning when someone pokes holes in bad information.  This is the process by which we all stay intellectually honest. 

I'd like to think you're not just making excuses and ducking a chance to increase knowledge.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 15, 2019, 09:50:22 AM »
22 Alabama State Senators voted against an amendment to permit women who were pregnant from rape or incest to get an abortion.

Pure coincidence, right?


I didn't need to see the photos to know this legislation was coming from wealthy white people mostly of the male persuasion.  IIRC the sponsor was a woman.  As is the governor who is likely to sign it.  The woman sponsor said she just wants to get it to SCOTUS, in order to bring down RvW.

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Supporters had argued that exceptions would weaken their hope of creating a vehicle to challenge Roe. Collins said that the law isnít meant to be a long-term measure and that lawmakers could add a rape exception if states regain control of abortion access...     
  -- AP


 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 15, 2019, 09:38:47 AM »
Re:  "Republican screw ups"

Well... we got the important one right in 2016.

McCain couldnt get it done.  Mitt (who should have been nominated in '08) fell short in '12.

Got it right this time.  Nominated a guy/gal who could win.

Let's see if you guys can match.

So, erm, getting elected is the most important thing in public service?

With competence, accountability to all Americans, honesty, morals, and respect for the Constitution coming in a distant second.

Uh huh.


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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 14, 2019, 08:18:48 PM »
Meanwhile, The Trump Administration is building a case for war with Iran based on falsehoods in order to distract from their own incompetence and corruption (is this going to be a thing that every Republican Administration has to do now?) the Attorney General is fully gearing up to abuse his office for Trump's political gain, and its been confirmed that the planets carbon dioxide levels are higher now than at any point in human history...so there are other things we should be talking about.

We are at war already



Wait....we're not?  But i thought Trump - if elected - would have us at war with North Korea.  No, Russia.  No, it was China.

Saying Trump hasn't yet gotten us into a major war is not the most compelling endorsement of a 2020 candidate I've heard. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 14, 2019, 08:13:33 PM »
I dont like the morning after pill - except in rape cases.

Not sure about this IUD thing.  Just so you don't need condoms?

Fertilized egg is destroyed - this is the key.

People who can actually get pregnant may see things differently.   People depending on teenage boys to be responsible, mature, and always use condoms...may see things differently. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: May 14, 2019, 03:23:46 PM »
I noted to Bambi-brain that we know how to reduce abortions and laws criminalizing abortions don't do it.

Here is an example that works.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anti-choice-leaders-in-colorado-still-angry-about-program_b_5a259edde4b0545e64bf9590

Thanks.  Very informative.

How about posting your own thoughts?  You either post links or one-liners that say very little.  The beauty of a forum like this is it calls on us to take in what's going on in that external stuff we call "reality" and then develop our own free thinking on the matter and share it with others.

Do you agree that promoting availability of contraception to young people is a good thing which reduces young people's need to get an abortion?  Or are you being ironic?  If the latter, why?  If the former, are you happy that you've found common ground with more moderate and liberal members of the Forum?  If we can actually agree on something that's a social good, that's the start of better laws, better institutions, a better society, right?  At the core, most of us want that - it's the methods we disagree on, and for some, it's the spiritual beliefs they may have about what methods are humane.

You want my opinion on whether using an IUD to destroy fertilized eggs constitutes abortion?  That was the new info I got from the piece - and thanked him for.


You still offer no opinion.  You refer to the issue, which you correctly identify as whether or not an IUD is tantamount to abortion, but we still have no idea what your thinking is.  Not the author's, not the politician's, not Trump's, not some priest's, BUT YOUR OWN...that is, thoughts and feelings you had in regard to this issue that you could actually express in your words.  Again, this is one of the uses of a message board, to spark one's thoughts and give them coherent expression.   

Every time a woman has a heavy period, there's a certain percent chance she has sloughed off a newly fertilized egg, called a zygote, due to a variety of causes.  Should medicine strive to prevent all such natural occurences, because these microscopic entities are actually citizens, with all legal rights and protections of citizens?  And, if they aren't, if they are just insentient cells that are no more an independent life than the epithelial cells we all leave on the rim of a drinking glass, then what's wrong with an IUD?   

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