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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: Today at 05:55:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1268120994197254144?campaign_id=93&emc=edit_fb_20200603&instance_id=19051&nl=frank-bruni&regi_id=60385556&s=20&segment_id=29978&te=1&user_id=64305f1549a69ea3b2fd3ab204938973&fbclid=IwAR3cxSS_yc9hIAT5DBZ7iejEd1oPdT170nKmV8dxAgzPAz3y0oDH031jA6Y

Murkowski was honest.

The rest of them? Full of shit.

I like that one guy (who I did not recognize) who said that there was still so many specifics they didn't know like the relationship between the clearing out of the peaceful protesters and Trump's photo-op and how it would be good to know what happened.

Like, yeah, it would be good to know how this happened.  If only there was some mechanism by which a sitting Senator could conduct something like oversight over the actions of the Executive...

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: Today at 05:35:52 PM »
Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The study is the first randomized clinical trial that tested the antimalarial drug as a preventive measure, according to researchers at the University of Minnesota Medical School who conducted the trial. It showed that hydroxychloroquine, which has been touted by President Trump, was no more effective than a placebo — in this case, a vitamin — in protecting people exposed to covid-19.

“As we say in Tennessee, ‘that dog won’t hunt’ — it didn’t work,” said William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Schaffner, who was not involved in the trial, praised it as “rigorously done.”


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/%3foutputType=amp

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: Today at 05:23:40 PM »
When Kap first started taking a knee Barrack Obama was President.  There was a political narrative widespread on the right that the unrest after the deaths of black men at the hands of whites (real cops and wannabes) was being fomented by Obama for political advantage.  The story became about how ball players were disrespecting the country and the troops and (the majority of) Whites in America took the out that gave them rather than taking a hard look at the realities of this country we are all so fond of saying is the best in the world.  Obama was a punching bag this country was used to taking swings at.

So Drew Brees was asked what he would think if NFL players knelt again during the National Anthem and he said:

I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.

Which is really a testament to the idiocy and self-delusion of that position to begin with, if you still parrot it knowing full well with everything that has been happening the last few weeks that this was not remotely what taking the knee was about.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: Today at 04:53:32 PM »
That was then and this is now. 

The nation and the world have had a couple of years to stew on it and, lo and behold, roughly a third have moved away from a wrong Ass position on the issue and have moved over to a much better one.

Not sure there is any way to quantify how much credit to give to Kap, the multitudes in the cause he took up, natural wisdom and evolution, or the subsequent events in this country, but we’ve come to a place in 3 years where 2/3 are for what 2/3 were against just that short time ago. Some might start to imagine that they were seeing the beginning of a potential trend or something, but that might be reading into it too much.

Exactly 2020 isn't 2016 and maybe white America is finally reacting and evolving ignited by the gross injustices and crimes against people of color that have gone on for too long and not been remedied.

Watching a guy get murdered by a cop, who looked as casual about it as if he were tieing his shoe, maybe was the "enough is enough" spark.

And IMO Kap deserves a lot of credit for putting his career on the line for what he believed.

Some good points being made, but I think some context is needed.

When Kap first started taking a knee Barrack Obama was President.  There was a political narrative widespread on the right that the unrest after the deaths of black men at the hands of whites (real cops and wannabes) was being fomented by Obama for political advantage.  The story became about how ball players were disrespecting the country and the troops and (the majority of) Whites in America took the out that gave them rather than taking a hard look at the realities of this country we are all so fond of saying is the best in the world.  Obama was a punching bag this country was used to taking swings at.

Now the amount of criticism that was heaped on Kaepernick and those who joined him looks pretty fucking stupid, doesn't it?

Was Floyd finally "enough is enough?"  I don't think so.  Again, context.  Now Donald Trump is "president."  He is enormously unpopular, and has been losing the support of suburban whites consistently over the last three years, and I think half the reason these protests are as large and long-lasting as they have been is frustration with him and his administration of idiocy. 

And, its deserved.  Trump removed the checks on Police abuse that were put in place under Obama.  Trump encouraged police brutality, and gave pardons to law-enforcement and military officials that abused their power.  So whatever the specific situation that led to Floyd's death, Americans rightly feel that this thing is going to go on unchecked by this "president" if they don't say something (unlike the last one.)

The other part of this has been the police response to the protests, which have only fomented more protests.  A response enabled by Trump through the above reasons + his calling the media the "enemy of the people" which has emboldened a policing community that supports him by as much as 80% to  carry his words into action.  The result has been America seeing police abuse reporters in real time on camera, while they in turn document police abuses against citizenry.  And the result has been more Americans seeing in their own eyes why Kap took the knee, and more people being called to head out into the streets.

So...leadership people don't trust to do the right thing, and a violent response to the protests have led to a bigger push-back that has pulled in more white folk to the cause.  Yeah, maybe some of it is about the imagery of a policeman blithely chocking a guy to death on camera, but shit, they had Eric Garner on film too.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 04:12:23 PM »

maybe they should have alerted the pastor and bishop

Ya think?

Watch the fucking videos, Kid.

Let me know when you find any of the police saying anything about moving, please.

and for not one second could you imagine it happening

heh

Completely wrong. We never before seen a peaceful protester hurt as they were violently broken up by the national police so that a man elected to be President of the United States can pose for a photo-op because he was butt-hurt about unflattering media coverage of his obvious cowardice.

And if true that it was ordered by Bart just another reason (of many) that he should resign immediately.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 09:24:01 AM »
“We long ago lost sight of normal, but this was a singularly immoral act,” said Brendan Buck, a longtime former Hill aide who is now a Republican operative. “The president used force against American citizens, not to protect property, but to soothe his own insecurities. We will all move on to the next outrage, but this was a true abuse of power and should not be forgotten.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-push-to-tear-gas-protesters-ahead-of-a-trump-photo-op/2020/06/01/4b0f7b50-a46c-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 09:00:26 AM »
15-29 year old black men got some nice merchandise from NY stores the last 2 nights.  I will wait while someone here tells me why this is OK.

The fact that you are most concerned about their being black goes more to the heart of this matter than the obvious illegality of looting.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:58:25 AM »
You decided in 2016 that no Trump governance would be suitable. 

And you were wrong!

Look how great things are going!

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:56:32 AM »
Homeowners in South Philly out in droves with bats and guns after hearing a  rumor that AntiFa had targeted their neighborhood.

America.

A rumor started by White Supremacists.

kiidcarter8 approves.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:52:33 AM »
I'm anxious for our Constitutional Scholar to weigh in on the legitimacy of using the military to supress domestic unrest.

More like a peaceful demonstration so that he could have a campaign photo-op, but yes.

No word on the protectors of the First Amendment here.


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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:49:42 AM »
No bunker tonight, motherfuckers.

You want a piece - here I am

- D J T

I spilled a lot of useless words onto the forum last night with someone who made it clear that when the brownshirts roll in, he will polish and pull on his knee-highs, and join the march.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:27:59 AM »
Message of protests heard loud and clear

We are on the same side of it. 

No we aren't, liar.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 01, 2020, 06:31:48 PM »
The violence and destruction sucks.  But its temporary.  Graffiti can be cleaned off.  The police have plenty of cars.  The destruction of communities can be more long lasting (see Newark) but what is happening now does not strike me as destructive to the fabric of these communities in the same way.  As far as I know, unlike Charlottesville, no one has died yet.

What it comes down to for me is what these people are fighting for.  BLM wants the police to stop killing Black people in the streets, and accountability and justice when they do.  Antifa-Far Left is similarly fighting against an establishment that privileges the few while holding down the many.

White supremacists want to coopt the protests in order to make BLM look bad, discredit their legitimate grievances by putting the focus on the violence, so that the White National Order is maintained. 

The police (some, not all) want to be able to bust heads without accountability, and take their cues from a "president" who calls the press the "enemy of the people."

You want to denounce the violence and destruction?  OK.  But your focus on that over the message of the protests is an admission that you are on the wrong side in this fight.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: June 01, 2020, 06:16:42 PM »
DHS warning that both far left anarchists and far right white supremacist organizations are taking advantage of the protests to commit acts of violence. 


in what percentages?

make no mistake - AntiFa is organized - and in great number.

Are there more Antifa taking part in the protests than white supremacists looking to co-opt them?  Its possible.

Are there more Antifa taking part in violence and destruction than white supremacists?    I have no idea how you would know this.

And do the Police have some responsibility for fomenting and prolonging the violence and anger because of their well documented violent responses to peaceful demonstrators and the press?  Absofuckinglutely.

You claim you want to call out the perpetrators, yet seem only interested in the perpetrators that are politically convenient for Trump.  Your act is fooling no one.

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