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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 12:19:21 PM »
My intention is argue facts.
Then it's just a side effect
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 11:56:24 AM »I believe the "him" was Meyer. Pretty clear from the part of the post you deleted.
he knew that. He is making the point that "officially" it is a paid leave...and not a suspension. The word suspend, means "pause" and often that is what a suspension is for - to put everything on hold while investigating...so to a reasonable person it is basically the same thing...but he is right that there are nuances and shades of grey.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 11:52:22 AM »
They didn’t.
Again, ludicrous semantics on your part.
It makes you appear petty. Is that your intention?
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 10:40:31 AM »
There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.
If that is the case why did they bother suspending him? There is certainly no crime involved on his part. Just public opinion? If so, they are proceeding just as you would expect. Like I said originally -- I fully expect him to be back on the job soon.
...I can hear Casey asking ...then why did he lie? The only reason seems to be one of character.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 12:29:14 AM »
Yes it is...
Just thought I would save you the trouble.
Just thought I would save you the trouble.
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« on: August 10, 2018, 12:28:39 AM »
There is none.
The ability to nitpick on semantics and contradict everything someone else says is not really a life skill.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 09:13:41 PM »so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.
A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.
I have mixed feelings on it. When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report. I'm not sure it would have helped the lady in any way if he did.
And while it is easy to think a cover up may be happening, I also know there is really no way to keep that quiet in the long run. If the folks at OSU are trying to create a fake paper trail, their punishment in the long term when that came out would be much, much worse. And they are certainly smart enough to understand that...so I tend to doubt it is happening that way.
...now marketing to public opinion is another matter.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:37:41 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211886876396166&id=1498798014
OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...
14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.
OSU's counter offensive in the court of public opinion continues...
14 days is plenty of time to turn things around.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:36:38 PM »Wouldn't it have been easier if he just said "we think he can help us win some games"?
Definitely easier and perhaps more genuine.
I do tend to think Helton is an upright guy, but I will be watching this one very closely. Kid will be on a short leash.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 06:44:28 PM »
here's the story i read last week when it was being speculated that we would sign him...
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/
From Helton:
"He's a young man from Mt. SAC that we learned about in spring recruiting. We knew his history with an in-game incident that he had to pay penance for. We vetted for three months this individual, talking with administrators at Mt. SAC, coaches, counselors and also had a chance to sit down with his family over the summer," said Helton. "What we learned from the administrators, coaches and counselors is that we were dealing with a tremendous young man, a young man that is a tremendous student, great person and a guy that we had no question would be a great member of our Trojan family.....we listed the expectations that we expect for Bernard and we understand that he knows those expectations and he will do a great job here as a Trojan. We are very excited."
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/12/local-college-football-player-suspended-for-5-years-for-punching-referee/
From Helton:
"He's a young man from Mt. SAC that we learned about in spring recruiting. We knew his history with an in-game incident that he had to pay penance for. We vetted for three months this individual, talking with administrators at Mt. SAC, coaches, counselors and also had a chance to sit down with his family over the summer," said Helton. "What we learned from the administrators, coaches and counselors is that we were dealing with a tremendous young man, a young man that is a tremendous student, great person and a guy that we had no question would be a great member of our Trojan family.....we listed the expectations that we expect for Bernard and we understand that he knows those expectations and he will do a great job here as a Trojan. We are very excited."
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 06:34:49 PM »
I see... there is even controversy regarding whether or not he was arrested... funny stuff going on indeed.
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/06/police-zach-smith-never-arrested-in-2015/
What really surprises me though is that in that post I was trying give Urban Meyer the benefit of the doubt and you told me to get my facts straight. Funny Stuff all around.
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/06/police-zach-smith-never-arrested-in-2015/
What really surprises me though is that in that post I was trying give Urban Meyer the benefit of the doubt and you told me to get my facts straight. Funny Stuff all around.
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« on: August 09, 2018, 06:21:20 PM »BTW Scott, are you surprised Helton has signed this kid and given him a second chance?
I am very surprised. While he was fully acquitted of punching the ref --it was called obviously accidental-- I saw a couple of shots of this kids twitter feed and it was not something that I was comfortable with. Helton obviously has access to more info than I do though.
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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 06:18:30 PM »Ut oh Scotty.
Only supposed to be 4 weeks last I heard. We're pretty deep on defense
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« on: August 09, 2018, 06:17:25 PM »
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.
I will recheck. I posted this directly after reading an article stating that he was
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« on: August 07, 2018, 10:45:41 PM »
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her. What were the frickin police doing for the last three years?
Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it. They are required to do investigations right? And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it. They are required to do investigations right? And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?