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Pets / Re: Pets
« on: August 09, 2019, 12:54:48 PM »
The definition of insanity:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/08/08/we-took-our-cats-beach-vacation-heres-what-happened/

What this article seems to overlook is that, however great the destination, cats generally do not enjoy long car trips.  And many cats are not so mellow as Jasper and Jezebel (the cats in the article) when it comes to finding themselves transplanted to an unfamiliar territory.  These folks got lucky. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 09, 2019, 12:35:37 PM »
about those raids...

https://thinkprogress.org/ice-raids-follow-massive-sexual-harassment-settlement-mississippi-plant-koch-foods-d95eb2720f67/

Turns out it wasn't about immigration at all.

If the raids were about illegal immigrants, ICE would be raiding the Trump Org and their properties.

From today's Post:

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OSSINING, N.Y. — For nearly two decades, the Trump Organization has relied on a roving crew of Latin American employees to build fountains and waterfalls, sidewalks and rock walls at the company’s winery and its golf courses from New York to Florida.

Other employees at Trump clubs were so impressed by the laborers — who did strenuous work with heavy stone — that they nicknamed them “Los Picapiedras,” Spanish for “the Flintstones.”

For years, their ranks have included workers who entered the United States illegally, according to two former members of the crew. Another employee, still with the company, said that remains true today.

President Trump “doesn’t want undocumented people in the country,” said one worker, Jorge Castro, a 55-year-old immigrant from Ecuador without legal status who left the company in April after nine years. “But at his properties, he still has them.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/if-youre-a-good-worker-papers-dont-matter-how-a-trump-construction-crew-has-relied-on-immigrants-without-legal-status/2019/08/09/cf59014a-b3ab-11e9-8e94-71a35969e4d8_story.html

Simplified Translation for 280 character attention spans:  "Trump is a corrupt lying hypocritical gasbag."

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 09, 2019, 10:07:18 AM »
Dogpile.

Or, dingopile.

Bit of a digress, but I liked Bob Odenkirk's Trumpish fool of a POTUS in "Long Shot." 


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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 08, 2019, 07:26:44 PM »
Guns and Roses did a song about killing his wife and burying her in the backyard.

What if you wrote that song, and the government decided to look at it because some social media red flagged you, you could end up in jail, or in a mental hospital, or who knows what? Trump has already shown that he will even put little children in cages.

Or what about the band Suicidal Tendencies? I do not want the government deciding that I am crazy because I listen to Suicidal Tendencies.

And the same with actors, and poets. Edgar Allen Poe would have been locked up.

And writers. Stephen King would have for sure been on a watch-list.

Gathering evidence on people who have not committed crimes is not a good road to go down.

Axl Rose is a little crazy, but he is no threat to the world.

Agree that artistic license should allow craziness.   I think Oil Can was talking more about overt death threats and the like.   Stephen King or Axl Rose are in the realm of fiction.  I see not much threat, so far, of involuntary commitment for reading "It," nor would doing so evidence an intent to lurk in storm drains and snatch children.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 08, 2019, 11:57:14 AM »


Obama faced real hatred, and you don't need me to post examples of that here unless you had your head completely up your ass for eight years.  And yes, people do hate Trump.  Racism does seem to inspire strong feelings. 



And corruption.  And lying.  And slanderous attacks on anyone who challenges his narcissistic self-image.  The "ridiculous" stuff you allude to, KidC, is Americans doing what they're supposed to:  pay attention to their elected officials and be watchdogs of democracy.  Dismissing criticism of Trump as "hate" is a putridly dishonest attempt to somehow equate racial hatred and hate crimes with the legitimate criticism of a demagogue. 

And, as Needs has pointed out, bad governance is not a "style," that we must "accept," as if were just some personal tic or harmlessly poor choice of tie.  Bad governance can lead to mass death, poverty, war, financial collapse.  It's worse than a bad hair day. 


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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 07, 2019, 09:15:58 PM »
Firefox, Chrome, both login okay.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 07, 2019, 09:15:01 PM »
Quote


[from Matthew Norman, in today's Independent UK]

The definitive quote about Brexit arrived yesterday, though technically it had nothing to do with Brexit at all. Asked in traumatised El Paso what Donald Trump could do to prevent more atrocities at the trigger-happy hands of white supremacists, Beto O’Rourke lost his rag.

The former congressman’s campaign for the Democratic nomination has virtually evaporated, but it might just be revived by his splendid response to a stupendously dumb question. “What do you think?” he snapped, sensibly reckoning the answer – stop being a racist agent provocateur – too self-evident to be worth the respiratory effort of stating. “I mean, members of the press…” he added, “what the f***?”

And there, in a few short words, is that illuminating judgement on Brexit.

The same rhetorical question hasn’t been posed here yet, but in time, perhaps it will feature in the retrospective enquiry into this national nervous breakdown of ours.

We are, as recently observed here, in the midst of a coup attempt. It’s an unusual kind of coup, if not unique, in that it’s being executed by a government rather than against one. But any doubts about the brutal nature of this power grab diminished today with reports that Boris Johnson means to ignore any vote of no confidence, and continue as PM to ensure the crash-out on 31 October.

According to his de facto chief of staff, Dominic Cummings, Johnson will squat in Downing Street to facilitate the no deal that he seems to regard as less of a million-to-one shot than a prohibitive odds-on chance and his heart’s desire. It could alternatively be brinksmanship, designed to terrorise the EU27 into a capitulation by presenting the Halloween nightmare as unstoppable by any power within the UK. It may, as some optimistically suggest, be an empty threat.

But even if it is, consider what Johnson feels emboldened to declare. He is saying that the will of parliament – the keystone of a parliamentary democracy; the very thing Brexit is supposedly intended to make sovereign again – counts for zero if it diverges from his own.

If that isn’t a working definition of dictatorship, I’d be intrigued to know why not.

Whether he could actually continue if the Commons voted down his government remains unclear. That is quite extraordinary enough. No other country on Earth, developed or otherwise, could find itself marooned in doubt as to how a constitutional clash between executive and legislature would be resolved....

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 07, 2019, 05:29:46 PM »
Where is General Ripper when we need him?  Precious bodily fluids!  Freedom!

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 07, 2019, 11:26:01 AM »
You make a good case for why federal law is needed, rather than piecemeal state-by-state.  Thanks.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 07:13:35 PM »
Any opposition candidate should call out Trump for what he is.

BTW, Oilcan fact checked your first post on Castro, and you graciously acknowledged confusing Juan and Julian.   CNN fact checked Trump and you declare they have to stop.   Hmm. 

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 04:37:13 PM »
Picciolini: Any tragedy that happens now is being politicized, so it doesn’t surprise me. He’s very good at kicking little buckets of gasoline over sparks of fire that already exist. Racism existed before he became president, and is now again at the fore. When he says those things, he is speaking to his base by not coming out strong for a very specific opinion, as after Charlottesville[, Virginia,] when he said there were good people on both sides. This is a little bit of a dilemma for me, because I also have to believe there are good people on both sides in order to do what I do.



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/

Good interview.  What Picciolini does is amazing.  He's traveled far in his spiritual journey.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 04:34:54 PM »
Many nations have multiple languages, India, e.g.  It's only a problem if citizens can't learn the second language they might need for specific career goals or moving to a region where it's predominantly spoken.  So, yes, it could be an education issue.  Everyone should have a chance to be bilingual, and it's good for the brain.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 04:28:36 PM »
The people are so divided that a congresswoman from El Paso has said that she does not want Trump to visit El Paso.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/05/el-paso-walmart-shooting-veronica-escobar-says-trump-not-welcome/1919915001/

Instead of coming together during tragedies, we are pulling further apart.

 

Or people are pulling together as they identify Trump as the source of divisiveness.

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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 12:44:14 PM »
It's becoming a depressingly recurrent pattern that these shooters, in retrospect, prove to have given all sorts of red flags to the world...

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Johnson said on their first date, Betts showed her a video of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. She said Betts had “uncontrollable urges” that she called “red flags,” which eventually led her to call things off in May. When she broke up with him, she said she reached out to his mother to express her concern, but she didn’t elaborate on what they discussed in that conversation.

Two former classmates told The Associated Press that Betts was suspended during their junior year at Bellbrook High School after a hit list was found scrawled in a school bathroom. That followed an earlier suspension after Betts came to school with a list of female students he wanted to sexually assault, according to the two classmates, a man and a woman who are both now 24 and spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern they might face harassment.

Others remembered how he tried to intimidate classmates.

“It’s baffling and horrible that somebody who’s been talking for 10 years about wanting to shoot people could easily, so easily, get access to a military grade weapon and that much ammo,” said Hannah Shows, a former high classmate who remembered seeing Betts look at people and imitate shooting at them.

“He was someone who enjoyed making people afraid,” she said.

Former Bellbrook High School classmate Addison Brickler rode the bus with Betts and said he taunted her regularly.

“He was the bully,” Brickler told the AP. “He used to make fun of me on the bus, talk about my weight, make me feel bad about myself. He would laugh and think it was funny, joke about it. We thought it was a normal thing.”

But the seemingly normal heckling turned scary one day when she said two police officers pulled Betts off their bus during her first few weeks of high school. When she arrived home that day, her mom sat her and her brother down to tell her the school principal had called — they had been named on Betts’ “hit list.”

Betts disappeared from the halls of Bellbrook High School. Students were offered counseling, teachers checked on kids, and extra police officers were on hand. Brickler said Betts later returned to the school....

https://apnews.com/165d6dd66e1b46628a0ffdcc4d27c58b

Come to America!  If you spend a decade going around saying how much you would like to kill some people, we will sell you a military-style assault weapon!  Freedom!  2nd Amendment!


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Trump Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: August 06, 2019, 12:19:16 PM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/05/new-york-times-criticism-donald-trump-speech-headline/1929546001/

Nice knowin' ya, Gray Lady.

Oh, and I found a book for you, KidC and Ward...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2767.A_People_s_History_of_the_United_States

T/Y

You're welcome.  It's the sort of book you can read the intro, and then dip into areas of special interest to you, if you don't have time or inclination to go cover-to-cover. 

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