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1  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 09:56:43 AM
Not sure I do either. I just wanted to yank on Redward's tail.

But I think it could be a sign that in some places the crats are getting more practical in their focus on turnout.   Smart move for a party that has historically not tended to induce it's members to get to the polls.   The old Will Rogers joke comes to mind.

The GOP has been clever in wooing single issue voters,  often those who would incline  more  towards Democratic if it weren't for that one issue.   And single issue voters get to the polls.   
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 09:07:24 AM
Lesko by 5 points in a district that normally would have given her 20?

I'd say that's a blue bellwether.   
3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 06:12:52 PM
4  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
"You and I......dont get treated that way"

I posted how I did in fact get treated similarly.  And I left the premises rather than further the conflict.

The person asking ME to leave was black.

You and Fac dont know shit.  Make a valid point or stay out of my discussions.

I will respond to stupidity when I feel like it.   Since yours is incurable,  I will let it run its course. 
5  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 01:27:19 PM
Re:  coffee house employees, bludgeoning and whatever else you said -

Yeah, I think I'd be somewhat biased against someone who just cursed me out, if being honest.

Again - I am betting there will be a financial settlement for the employee, from 'bucks.  Unless she just up and quit.

I was initially inclined to respond with pretty much what F'Torn said.  But I want to point something out:

The manager didn't just walk past and get cursed out, out of the blue.  She INSTIGATED a conflict, by singling out two African-American customers who were waiting for a friend, and treating them in a biased and accusatory manner.  You are being dishonest by pretending you can frame this whole encounter entirely in terms of "they cursed at me, they were disruptive."  You know PERFECTLY WELL, it took 2 to tango there.  If someone treated me that way in a coffee house, I might want to curse a little, too, because that kind of treatment is rude and offensive.  "Hey, you're a loiterer.  You have no right to be here."  But, you and I, due to a lucky break from the genetic lottery of life, don't get treated that way.  I have personally sat for THREE HOURS in a coffeehouse, not ordering, sucking up wifi, and not been bothered.  Many times.  And if someone did approach, they were cordial, and asked if they could get me something.  If I was planning to order later, I told them so and that was accepted.  If I wasn't, then I went ahead a got a scone or something. 

So, to summarize:  Pull your fucking head out your stupid fucking asshole.  Yes, I'm angry at your ignorance, you dumb fucking cracker, and your complete and utter intellectual dishonesty here.  Fuck you and fuck all your smug and complacent ilk who, when they see someone with their head squashed under someone's boot, say, "Lord, how rude of that fellow to block access to the floor that way."

You're never going to get it.  Your brain fossilized in 1953.  So I'm not going to do this stupid charade of having a discussion with you anymore.

6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 12:43:35 PM
Well, because it is a special election, they consolidated polling places. As a result, I had to drive three times as far to vote as normal. Meaning it was, comparatively, a long way to vote for Tipirneni. A long way to go....

what part of AZ is "Tiperneni"?

This lovely part:

7  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
regarding the starbucks incident, i posted a thoughtful piece on it, yesterday, that posited how nearly everyone is wrong when they interpret that incident.

what i think is most worthy of your consideration is how the writer illustrates how quickly everyone is to launch their personal outrage machine, no matter which side of the circumstance their life experience(s) may push them towards.

i encourage all to read it. here it is again:

Not all the positions expressed on this incident can be dismissed as part of "the outrage machine" or whatever term one wants to use to devalue a nuanced opinion.  I agree with some of the points made in your linked article, but I think there was a fairly rational and nuanced case to be made (i.e. not driven by just "outrage") for managers of coffee houses not using company policy as a bludgeon with which to harass people in a prejudicial manner.  There was differential treatment of human beings there, that reality isn't going away with a magic wand waving, and this might be the start of a reformation of public awareness and a decrease in spurious definitions of loitering.  Starbucks has a real chance to raise some consciousness here.  Best of luck to them.  
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 12:28:34 PM

Consolidating voting places - that won't affect voters who don't drive or can't afford a car or are too busy with work to drive three times as far, will it?  I guess if that did affect demographics, it could cut both ways.  Ancient grannies and young minimum wage workers could both be somewhat thwarted. 
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 12:18:54 PM
Some days the sock puppetry is more obvious than others.  Just sayin', gents.  

Speaking of puppets....

I don't hate Trump - I view him as incompetent and clueless and possibly in the early stages of dementia.  But Pruitt is a truly repellent and hateful turd - a deceitful and ignorant tool of polluting industries that would gladly ruin the planet and poison your children if it made their shareholders happy.  From the article:

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt is expected to propose a rule Tuesday that would establish new standards for what science could be used in writing agency regulations, according to individuals briefed on the plan. It is a sweeping change long sought by conservatives.

The rule, which Pruitt has described in interviews with select media over the past month, would only allow EPA to consider studies for which the underlying data are made available publicly. Advocates describe this approach as an advance for transparency, but critics say it would effectively block the agency from relying on long-standing, landmark studies linking air pollution and pesticide exposure to harmful health effects.

Profound intellectual dishonesty.  
10  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 09:49:13 AM
From the Guardian coverage of the Toronto horror....

After the driver initially attempted to flee the scene, bystander video captured the tense standoff between police officers and the suspect, showing him waving a dark object in the direction of police. In the footage, a police officer can be heard telling the man to get down on the ground.

“Kill me,” he tells the lone officer. “I have a gun in my pocket.”

The officer warned him if he does not get on the ground, he will be shot. “Shoot me in the head,” he tells them. The officer then arrested the suspect without firing any shots.

This handling of a dangerous suspect should be put in the police academy textbooks in the US.   
11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 24, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Knicks,  I've always valued your postings, Sojourner articles,  etc.   If I haven't taken the trouble to rail against Trump's noxious bigotry,  it's only because others here have already made the point.  And sometimes I do rail.   Sometimes someone's post covers it pretty well,  but my time is short that day and we don't have Like buttons as some message boards do.  Doesn't mean I don't take your perspective with me as I go about my day,  maybe pass the torch along to others.   Your comments,  and soul searing experiences are relevant to the situation of Lakota people in my town,  and rarely a day passes that I am not mindful of the common threads of oppression that you and they must make way through.   
12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 11:07:02 PM

A bit off-topic but can't resist passing this along.

13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 07:55:30 PM
JFC,  could we just stipulate that harsh judgment and profiling are,  in the United States, more directed at people of color, and move on to constructive remedies?  The problem is not crazy white people but clueless people who shrug their shoulders and point at their nearest blame-object.  The crazy people are shooting up waffle huts in the nude.  
14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 05:27:52 PM
Whiskey,  thanks,  I missed that story.

This perspective made me sad.   And wanting to refrain from the size jokes.   Which was easier said than done.

Thought at first it was the Canadian journalist with a similar name,  Warner Troyer,  but he died in the 90s and I couldn't think why you would be reporting that.  Good luck on the road to Tiperneni.  
15  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 11:22:45 AM
Does seem useful to  distinguish between casual interpersonal racism and institutional racism.   I have little problem,  in my own life where I've never lived where I was an ill-treated minority,  with the former.   Ergo,  when somebody like Knicks tells me I am somewhat clueless,  I have to agree.   But,  hey,  at least I KNOW I am clueless,  so I feel I am following the great philosophers in considering that the beginning point of wisdom.

FWiW,  I am the sort of meddlesome person who,  if I were in that Bux situation, would vocally register my protest and likely be telling the manager he/she was out of line.  I do subscribe to the theory that if you  sit on your hands,  you are part of the problem.

See something,  say something.  More useful than boycotting in some situations.

Customer is always right - even when they curse out an employee...

Got it, Barton.  You come to the defense of the assholes of the world who put down regular working people.

Well done by you.

Not sure what you think I wrote.   Where did I support cursing at an employee?  I meant I would point out rude bigoted behavior to someone in charge.   Don't put false spin on my posts.  Someone starts hassling people who are minding their business,  waiting for a friend,  and you believe we shouldn't speak up?    Who is the asshole in that picture.

I have to wonder if you  actually read the entire post.
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