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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 13, 2020, 01:07:19 PM »
What time is the game tonight?  I like Ed O and I hope they can change the narrative of the past several years by dialing one up.  I might turn it on later and watch some of it.  But I'm not going to make a night of it.    My daughter has dance until 6:45 PST and I'm going to work until I need to pick her up.  College ball has lost some of its luster to me with the transfer portal and kids not playing in bowls etc.  This is why I stopped watching the NFL 15 or so years ago.
I suspect a USC revival of fortunes would get you excited again. 😀
As to your earlier complaint about the lack of civility on message boards. I am moving on to a Big Ten Board where I will be the moderator. The platform is solid and is backed down  by strict anti/flaming guidelines.
Fight On!

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 11, 2020, 11:35:13 PM »
Another OSU alum, now a coach, upstages another Harbaugh.

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Football / Re: NFL
« on: January 07, 2020, 12:10:17 AM »
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
1. Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. 2. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.

1. Missing the point. Care to try again? Why are some things not challengeable?
Because the League Rules Committee determines what plays are reviewable.
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2. Missing the point even more widely. I agree. My complaint is that winning on the first possession at all is inherently unfair.
Again the Rules Committee set the parameters for OT.

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Football / Re: NFL
« on: January 06, 2020, 10:00:08 PM »

 Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears.
So is forward progress resulting in a first down, but that is reviewable.
What is reviewable is the spot of the ball AFTER the officials determine forward progress has been stopped.

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Football / Re: NFL
« on: January 06, 2020, 07:18:33 PM »
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.
I don't think Josh was asking about that specific play - all scoring plays are automatically booth reviewed so a.challenge would be otiose - but why, for instance, forward progress not resulting in a first down or down by contact cannot be challenged.
  Because forward progress is a judgement call by an official and often does not match what a replay official sees or hears. Down by contact is called immediately and stops the play for safety reasons.
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Or in my example, why no challenge for any other action penalty besides interference. Why not a clip, or a hold, or a facemask?
why not the Coin Toss?
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And explaining why the game continues after an initial OT field goal does not explain why it does not also continue after an initial touchdown.
Because the NFL wants its OT to be sudden death. It took a groundswell from fans and players to successfully argue a one possession FG is not an acceptable way the end the game.

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Football / Re: NFL
« on: January 06, 2020, 05:43:58 PM »
The thing is that WRs push off all the time and it is seldom called. It would mess up their offense is everything mantra. Got to keep the masses showing up at the gates and the living rooms and bars. Money talks and defense walks. Don't touch that QB, don't touch that WR. Don't hit anyone.


Bitch game now of preening dickweeds.
I think the whole booth review of interference is a stupid rule. Why not holding? Because a playoff game did not turn on a blown holding call? You can't change last year's result with this year's rule.

Why some plays are unchallengeable is beyond me.
Because the Minnesota TD, by rule, was ruled a TD by the replay booth. There was nothing left to challenge.

As for the OT rules in the NFL. Winning a game on a first possession field goal has proven to be universally hated by football players and fans.

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Football / Re: NFL
« on: January 06, 2020, 11:39:39 AM »
Below is a transcript with NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron from the NFC wild-card game between the New Orleans Saints and the Minnesota Vikings regarding the final play of the game. The pool reporter in attendance was Larry Holder of the Athletic. 



Holder: What did you see on that final play to uphold the call on the field?

Riveron: "We looked at all of the angles that FOX afford us, and FOX gave us some great views. There is contact by both players, but none of that contact rises to the level of a foul. This is consistent with what we've done all year long, we left the ruling on the field. We let it stand."

Holder: "It seemed like you guys did this process pretty quickly. It was obviously clear enough in that short of a span that you felt comfortable with what was called?"

Riveron: "Yes. FOX was great. They gave us every angle that they had pertaining to the play. So we're very comfortable with what we saw. Nothing came through afterward that we had not seen prior to making the ruling."


Saints Linebacker Demario Davis

It was one-on-one, the tight end won, you’ve got to give him credit. Good throw and catch."

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 04, 2020, 11:27:52 PM »
And people say there is no good news anymore.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 04, 2020, 01:39:15 PM »
Twenty five or so years ago, I used to think internet forums held the promise for intelligent discussion of opposing concepts.  I think I badly misjudged how they would be used.
Amen Brother Ben!

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 04:41:11 PM »

ClemSIN toasts  Oregon, Georgia beats Oklahoma. So you still get Tigers/Tigers.

When and where do you play those games?
This year the available Saturdays would have been the 14th and 21st which already had NFL games.
Logistis tbd.
No matter how you determine logistics any schedule will reduce the potential tv ratings and the ticket buying interest. Plus it will give the top two teams two weeks of prep and recovery time.
Before we leap to expanding the number of games the NCAA needs to maximize revenues by getting the semis on NYD.
I agree with that last. Are you going to tell the Rose Bowl, or am I?

Either the Rose or the Sugar needs to give up their NYD slot. You might be able to throw money at the PAC or.Big 12, but it comes down to the Big 10 or the SEC blinking and that will be a long, long wait.
It is a $ number. That satisfies the step Bowls and the Two conferences.
It may be a number that is unattainable. 

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 04:06:04 PM »

ClemSIN toasts  Oregon, Georgia beats Oklahoma. So you still get Tigers/Tigers.

When and where do you play those games?
This year the available Saturdays would have been the 14th and 21st which already had NFL games.
Logistis tbd.
No matter how you determine logistics any schedule will reduce the potential tv ratings and the ticket buying interest. Plus it will give the top two teams two weeks of prep and recovery time.
Before we leap to expanding the number of games the NCAA needs to maximize revenues by getting the semis on NYD.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 03:23:57 PM »

ClemSIN toasts  Oregon, Georgia beats Oklahoma. So you still get Tigers/Tigers.

When and where do you play those games?
This year the available Saturdays would have been the 14th and 21st which already had NFL games.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »
So, using the final CFP rankings and adding in Memphis an 8 team playoff would be
LSU
tOSU
Clem
Okla
Oregon
Georgia
Wisconsin
Memphis

The first question is how many of those teams could win three times?
Answer is only the top three
Next who would care to watch LSU beat Memphis or tOSU play Wisconsin a third time.?
Answer is not many.
Who would pay to travel to watch those games?
Answer is even fewer.
Well, it is a mistake to set policy for all seasons based upon how that policy would function in a single instance. Most years would not have a rematch of a rematch in the first round. That being said, there is a reason why I think 6 teams would be better than 8. I can think of no arguments.against 6 that are not also applicable to 8 - except that, for this year, the team I consider to be the best team in the country would have to win 3 games. Although that would be ameliorated by getting to watch ClemSIN play Georgia.
I see no reason why any year would be different than this one.
The elites are consistently better each year with much stronger budgets and recruiting. Six teams only adds one power five team to the mix(unless the Powers buy off the gang of five)
Yeah, for the 6 team model to work I just wrote the Gang of 5 out in favor of a 5 Conference champs, one wild card scenario. This year that would have meant Oklahoma - Georgia and ClemSIN - Oregon.
And how do the games play out?

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 12:56:31 PM »
So, using the final CFP rankings and adding in Memphis an 8 team playoff would be
LSU
tOSU
Clem
Okla
Oregon
Georgia
Wisconsin
Memphis

The first question is how many of those teams could win three times?
Answer is only the top three
Next who would care to watch LSU beat Memphis or tOSU play Wisconsin a third time.?
Answer is not many.
Who would pay to travel to watch those games?
Answer is even fewer.
Well, it is a mistake to set policy for all seasons based upon how that policy would function in a single instance. Most years would not have a rematch of a rematch in the first round. That being said, there is a reason why I think 6 teams would be better than 8. I can think of no arguments.against 6 that are not also applicable to 8 - except that, for this year, the team I consider to be the best team in the country would have to win 3 games. Although that would be ameliorated by getting to watch ClemSIN play Georgia.
I see no reason why any year would be different than this one.
The elites are consistently better each year with much stronger budgets and recruiting. Six teams only adds one power five team to the mix(unless the Powers buy off the gang of five)


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Football / Re: College Football
« on: January 02, 2020, 12:12:50 PM »
So, using the final CFP rankings and adding in Memphis an 8 team playoff would be
LSU
tOSU
Clem
Okla
Oregon
Georgia
Wisconsin
Memphis

The first question is how many of those teams could win three times?
Answer is only the top three
Next who would care to watch LSU beat Memphis or tOSU play Wisconsin a third time.?
Answer is not many.
Who would pay to travel to watch those games?
Answer is even fewer.


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