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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »

There are no Title IX implications to the Smith issue, because it does not cover the treatment of the wives of University employees.

If that is the case why did they bother suspending him?
 
They didn’t.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 10, 2018, 01:52:09 AM »
Yes it is...


Just thought I would save you the trouble.
Suit yourself.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:50:48 PM »
so why did Meyer lie? Why shoot himself in the foot for no reason? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

A lot of people will be coming back to that same question.

I have mixed feelings on it.  When I posted that earlier, I was sort of questioning the value of the Title IX requirement to report. 
There is none.


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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:25:48 PM »
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The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.

As to the blatant lying bro there is no question of his guilt. Is there? And that is where I base my 'fire him' stance. Others want to give him a pass, or a suspension.

Any of the people that want to give him a suspension defacto then agree with me. Namely that punishment is warranted.
“ Punishment is warranted”!
In other words it is Ohio State.
LOL

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:00:35 PM »
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The integrity of the University is at stake. If not him then the man above him. Maybe both.
I’ll say once again….Should the university officials be the ones to determine this mans guilt or should it be a court of law? Anything is possible should the only proof be one side’s allegations. At most suspend him until a court case is resolved one way or another.
There is no court case to be resolved.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 08, 2018, 11:55:50 AM »
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While sycophants will excuse it as simply lying to the media -- a stupid defense
    Perhaps he felt that it is not his responsibility to dispense justice in this matter. Maybe he is of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the legal system to deal with this situation. It might be that he feels that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Maybe he feels that it is not up to him to possibly ruin someones career and/or life until the subject is found guilty in a court of law. Why isn’t this in the purview of the legal system? Go to the police. Present your case. Insist that they press charges against this guy. If that doesn’t work sue him civilly. If he is found guilty by the legal system then it’s the duty of the university (or possibly Myer as the responsible administrator in this area) to fire this guy. Now, obviously, Myer pretty much tried to weasel out of this whole thing when it came to his statements to the press. But I could see how he might feel that this shouldn’t be his responsibility in the first place. Let the legal system dispense justice and if he is found guilty then dismiss him from his position.
I agree with one clarification.
Our legal system is not set up to “ dispense justice” but rather settle disputes.

Regarding the alleged abuses of Cortney Smith  by Zack Smith in 2015 there no such legal disputes.
The timeline as we know it:


In Nov. 9-12, 2015  Powell, Ohio police investigate a claim by Courtney Smith of menacing by stalking by Zach Smith.
No charges are filed,
but Zach Smith is issued a restraining order on Nov. 10. Courtney Smith files for divorce two days later.

Dec. 19, 2017: Zach Smith is given criminal trespass warning after reportedly making "harassment/threats" at 1:30 a.m. on Dec. 17.
No files were charged.

May 12, 2018: Powell police cite Zach Smith with misdemeanor criminal trespass after a dispute with his wife. The two argued over where Zach Smith should have dropped off his son. McMurphy reported Smith's driving into the driveway of his ex-wife's apartment violated the 2015 warning.

July 18, 2018: Zach Smith appears in Delaware County Municipal Court for a pretrial hearing related to the May trespass charge. Court records show Smith pleaded not guilty to the charge on June 5.

July 20, 2018: Courtney Smith is granted an order of protection against her ex-husband that prohibits him from getting within 500 feet of her. The protective order was filed in Delaware County after she claimed she feared for her safety.

July 23, 2018: Zack Smith is fired by Ohio State.


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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 08, 2018, 12:13:33 AM »
ESPN (and others) saying Urban is not the victim, Courtney Smith is the victim and this should be about her.  What were the frickin police doing for the last three years? 

Did Urban Meyer know something first hand that the police were not already made aware of directly from Courtney? They arrested the guy, so I'm pretty sure they already knew about it.  They are required to do investigations right?    And if Smith had been fired while she was still living in the house would that have helped her or made it worse?
Check your facts.
Smith was never arrested.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 06, 2018, 09:23:53 PM »
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
which is?

Exactly.
LOL

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 06, 2018, 08:34:26 PM »
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700
McCain proves my point.

Not really. Your point is simple minded and naive.

If you want a fact he lied when there was absolutely no need to lie. None.

An inquiring mind has to ask, why?

He's in one of the most pressure packed professions there are. And he wants us to believe he choked. Bullshit. He lied for a reason.
which is?

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 06, 2018, 04:33:31 PM »
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24278700
McCain proves my point. 

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 06, 2018, 03:44:01 PM »
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

I thought so.  This sounds to me like the legal team had time to strategize and came up with this story as a way to keep him.  But if they just made this up, someone will blab and then there will be a number of people going down.

Once again, why the Administrative leave? If it was a slip of the tongue then why not just 'immediately' produce the documentation saying it was reported, and then say it was a slip of the tongue, and be done with it?

No, something doesn't jive here.
To be seen as Doing Something in response to what appeared to be a major negative news story. "We take the allegations seriously! See what we have done!" PAID administrative leave, mind you.
Exactly. No matter what the decision on Meyer is it must have credibilityto sell to the public. So far the major news people have turned a Facebook post into another major broadside on the “ corruptness” of college football. But when you go looking for facts the evidence is harder to warrant firing the Coach.


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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 03, 2018, 10:55:42 PM »
Since no one here is.e an positing it as a possibility, I will: What if Meyer's statement is true: he reported the incident when it happened, but when asked about the incident at media day, lied?
Actually Friday night he admitted lying to the media AND reporting the 2015 incident when he learned about it.

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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 03, 2018, 05:22:46 PM »
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?


Paragraph 4.1 (e) ... “any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ...
Don't confuse Jimm with facts
Meyer’s contract extension included new language

Failure by Coach to promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator — Athletics or Ohio State’s Title IX Coordinator any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. For purposes of this section ... a “known violation” shall mean a violation or an allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause to believe is taking place or may have taken place.


There is debate over that clause being used to fire Meyer WITH CAUSE since the alleged abuse is not a TitleIX violation since the victim was not an OSU student or employee and the abuse was not the result of an OSU event and did not occur on on campus.

The lawyers will be arguing for a while.

TOSU does not need to fire Meyer with cause, but without cause will trigger a 40$million dollar payout.  About 40 per cent of the yearly Athletic Budget.


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Football / Re: College Football
« on: August 03, 2018, 02:00:43 PM »
Check out the Project Veritas video or google Urbs Valentine's Day Massacre and see if you can't make the reasoned conclusion that he SHOULD be fired.

What should he be fired for based on his contract?

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