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1  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 16, 2018, 12:21:04 PM
Ah yes, the 1960’s.
Apparently Knicks can’t get out of them.   
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 15, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
Why should I deprive myself of fun?
Then you need me to stay.
3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 15, 2018, 10:45:45 PM
This award-winning documentary might be worth a look today.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Not_Your_Negro

Showing on PBS this evening, in most places, on Independent Lens.  Or one can, as always, be smug and confidently assert  that racism is over and Dr. King's work completed.
Not  Mr Steele’s point

  
I bet Red State Ward agrees with you Espnthree!

Maybe you should stop "betting" ('I bet RSW....') and "wondering" ('I wonder why Kid......') - and actually say something around here

To what purpose?

To argue? With whom? With me? Ehh, no point in that.

With you? With Red? Neither of you give a good Goddamn about what is actually said, only which whiskers get tickled as the stimuli go past.

With Tony V? Not likely to result in a dialog.

With Mr. Utley? No need to make an argument, all you need to do is walk outside his fence and that old sonovabitch will start barking his lungs out. He'll stop after you get far enough down the sidewalk. He'll go back to the porch thinkin, "I scared away another burgler!"

So is there any real reason for Yankguy not to just occupy the character he inhabits here?
If Red cared about what I wrote and took it to heart he would no longer be posting here.
What have you ever stood for?
Other than wishing I would leave.
I suggest you opt for the ignore button.
4  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM




That’s why America replaced her first black president with a racist bastard
after electing him twice?
Quote
and Shelby Steele remains mostly full of shit.
that’s your rebuttal ?



Yep.
[/quote]
And just why is Shelby Steele “full of shit”?
5  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 15, 2018, 02:59:44 PM



......the NFL protests may be a harbinger of change. They elicited considerable resentment. There have been counterprotests. TV viewership has gone down. Ticket sales have dropped. What is remarkable about this response is that it may foretell a new fearlessness in white America—a new willingness in whites (and blacks outside the victim-focused identity) to say to blacks what they really think and feel, to judge blacks fairly by standards that are universal.

We blacks have lived in a bubble since the 1960s because whites have been deferential for fear of being seen as racist. The NFL protests reveal the fundamental obsolescence—for both blacks and whites—of a victim-focused approach to racial inequality. It causes whites to retreat into deference and blacks to become nothing more than victims. It makes engaging as human beings and as citizens impermissible, a betrayal of the sacred group identity. Black victimization is not much with us any more as a reality, but it remains all too powerful as a hegemony.


Shelby Steele,
Excerpted from the WSJ-January 13, 2018

Black Protest Has Lost Its Power
Have whites finally found the courage to judge African-Americans fairly by universal standards?


It’s the same as it ever was... see above.
Meaning what?
6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 15, 2018, 02:48:06 PM



......the NFL protests may be a harbinger of change. They elicited considerable resentment. There have been counterprotests. TV viewership has gone down. Ticket sales have dropped. What is remarkable about this response is that it may foretell a new fearlessness in white America—a new willingness in whites (and blacks outside the victim-focused identity) to say to blacks what they really think and feel, to judge blacks fairly by standards that are universal.

We blacks have lived in a bubble since the 1960s because whites have been deferential for fear of being seen as racist. The NFL protests reveal the fundamental obsolescence—for both blacks and whites—of a victim-focused approach to racial inequality. It causes whites to retreat into deference and blacks to become nothing more than victims. It makes engaging as human beings and as citizens impermissible, a betrayal of the sacred group identity. Black victimization is not much with us any more as a reality, but it remains all too powerful as a hegemony.


Shelby Steele,
Excerpted from the WSJ-January 13, 2018

Black Protest Has Lost Its Power
Have whites finally found the courage to judge African-Americans fairly by universal standards?
7  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 14, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
We've been posting on the "very old backup" since Sept. 26.

Have no interest in the missing posts, but would be nice to have full editing function restored on the profile page, e.g. avatar, caption, tagline, etc. 

If we are stuck with 2008, then could Silver let us know? 


You get what you pay for.
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 06:23:29 PM
Not one word from you about Trump hailing (or heiling) Nazis and I'm the amoral one? As long as you get ACA repeal, your tax cut and a pro-life justice you're fine. And I'm the amoral one?
I don’t think you nderstand the definition of amoral.
Trump hailing (heiling) Nazis?
Really?
Heh. Bambu is fine folks. Not caring what the racist head of your party says and does because you got what you want is the definition of "amoral." I suggest you buy a good dictionary.
Bambu?
I didn’t get what I wanted. My only choices were Hillary or Trump.  I voted for neither.
My dictionary is just fine.
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 06:02:09 PM
Not one word from you about Trump hailing (or heiling) Nazis and I'm the amoral one? As long as you get ACA repeal, your tax cut and a pro-life justice you're fine. And I'm the amoral one?
I don’t think you nderstand the definition of amoral.
Trump hailing (heiling) Nazis?
Really?
10  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:57:08 PM
REDSTATEWARD: I’m not racist!
I never said you were.

11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
When my Dad and, his Dad, (and perhaps your Dad and his Dad) were voting for Democrats in the early 30's through early 60's, were they voting for a racist party or were they casting votes for some principles, some principles they believed in, as put forward by a party that had a lot of racists in it, racists who kept real racial progress from taking place?

But the fact that Red seemingly is more concerned with a defensible post by a poster here than the racist rantings of a President is reason enough for me to have deleted my post.
I see little connection between the vulgar comments of Trump to the labeling of the GOP as racist by default.
Especially from a poster/troll who raison  d’être is to link to any obscure article he can find with racist overtones.  If you argue that Josh's post is defensible please explain.
But it is an easy way for you to change the subject.
You've never once expressed the slightest bit of a concern about anything that Trump has uttered which is far, far more outrageous than anything that Josh wrote (which by the way I stated my disagreement with).  If you're so offended, as I've suggested, ad nauseum, post elsewhere.  Snowflake.    
I am not interested in debating Trump’s vulgarity, tweets, etc. I opposed hs trade and immigration policies from the first statement he ever made on the subject. He got little support from the GOP running for office and was just as vulgar then as he is now. He has lost more battles in the GOP Congress than he has won. The Courts have been tough on him.
My statements regarding Trump have been in response to the non-existent Russian collusion investigation and the factless contention by the Resistance that is a dictator, which is laughable. At the same time issues like repealing ObamaCare and Tax Reform are GOP issues that he has hurt and helped. I favor both.

The issue is not Trump, it is the ongoing democrat tactic of labeling all GOPers as Racist.
Trump makes matters worse but Josh was on that trail long before the Donald came along.
You obviously don’t care.
But I’m not going anywhere just because you believe as he does .
c.  
When my Dad and, his Dad, (and perhaps your Dad and his Dad) were voting for Democrats in the early 30's through early 60's, were they voting for a racist party or were they casting votes for some principles, some principles they believed in, as put forward by a party that had a lot of racists in it, racists who kept real racial progress from taking place?

But the fact that Red seemingly is more concerned with a defensible post by a poster here than the racist rantings of a President is reason enough for me to have deleted my post.
I see little connection between the vulgar comments of Trump to the labeling of the GOP as racist by default.
Especially from a poster/troll who raison  d’être is to link to any obscure article he can find with racist overtones.  If you argue that Josh's post is defensible please explain.
But it is an easy way for you to change the subject.
You've never once expressed the slightest bit of a concern about anything that Trump has uttered which is far, far more outrageous than anything that Josh wrote (which by the way I stated my disagreement with).  If you're so offended, as I've suggested, ad nauseum, post elsewhere.  Snowflake.    
I am not interested in debating Trump’s vulgarity, tweets, etc. I opposed hs trade and immigration policies from the first statement he ever made on the subject. He got little support from the GOP running for office and was just as vulgar then as he is now. He has lost more battles in the GOP Congress than he has won. The Courts have been tough on him.
My statements regarding Trump have been in response to the non-existent Russian collusion investigation and the factless contention by the Resistance that is a dictator, which is laughable. At the same time issues like repealing ObamaCare and Tax Reform are GOP issues that he has hurt and helped. I favor both.

The issue is not Trump, it is the ongoing democrat tactic of labeling all GOPers as Racist.
Trump makes matters worse but Josh was on that trail long before the Donald came along.
You obviously don’t care.
But I’m not going anywhere just because you believe as he does .
I continue to be stunned that the postings of a some guy that you don't know bother you more than the continued racist rantings of the head of the party you apparently have slavish devotion to. I don't care if you stay here or go, but I'll always wonder WHY you stay.
People like you.
And why you are bothered by me, a guy you don’t even know.
People like me? What does that even mean?
Seemingly amoral.
12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Oh so you DO know about them!

As explained in the post you quoted, I know about them now, only because I had to wade through conservative fake news websites to understand your comment.

And then I explained to you why that comment was not racist.
I didn’t realize that the Post and the Times were “ conservative” websites.
Of course something isn’t racist if you don’t want it to be.
Steny Hoyer, notwithstanding.
13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
When my Dad and, his Dad, (and perhaps your Dad and his Dad) were voting for Democrats in the early 30's through early 60's, were they voting for a racist party or were they casting votes for some principles, some principles they believed in, as put forward by a party that had a lot of racists in it, racists who kept real racial progress from taking place?

But the fact that Red seemingly is more concerned with a defensible post by a poster here than the racist rantings of a President is reason enough for me to have deleted my post.
I see little connection between the vulgar comments of Trump to the labeling of the GOP as racist by default.
Especially from a poster/troll who raison  d’être is to link to any obscure article he can find with racist overtones.  If you argue that Josh's post is defensible please explain.
But it is an easy way for you to change the subject.
You've never once expressed the slightest bit of a concern about anything that Trump has uttered which is far, far more outrageous than anything that Josh wrote (which by the way I stated my disagreement with).  If you're so offended, as I've suggested, ad nauseum, post elsewhere.  Snowflake.    
I am not interested in debating Trump’s vulgarity, tweets, etc. I opposed hs trade and immigration policies from the first statement he ever made on the subject. He got little support from the GOP running for office and was just as vulgar then as he is now. He has lost more battles in the GOP Congress than he has won. The Courts have been tough on him.
My statements regarding Trump have been in response to the non-existent Russian collusion investigation and the factless contention by the Resistance that is a dictator, which is laughable. At the same time issues like repealing ObamaCare and Tax Reform are GOP issues that he has hurt and helped. I favor both.

The issue is not Trump, it is the ongoing democrat tactic of labeling all GOPers as Racist.
Trump makes matters worse but Josh was on that trail long before the Donald came along.
You obviously don’t care.
But I’m not going anywhere just because you believe as he does .
c.  
When my Dad and, his Dad, (and perhaps your Dad and his Dad) were voting for Democrats in the early 30's through early 60's, were they voting for a racist party or were they casting votes for some principles, some principles they believed in, as put forward by a party that had a lot of racists in it, racists who kept real racial progress from taking place?

But the fact that Red seemingly is more concerned with a defensible post by a poster here than the racist rantings of a President is reason enough for me to have deleted my post.
I see little connection between the vulgar comments of Trump to the labeling of the GOP as racist by default.
Especially from a poster/troll who raison  d’être is to link to any obscure article he can find with racist overtones.  If you argue that Josh's post is defensible please explain.
But it is an easy way for you to change the subject.
You've never once expressed the slightest bit of a concern about anything that Trump has uttered which is far, far more outrageous than anything that Josh wrote (which by the way I stated my disagreement with).  If you're so offended, as I've suggested, ad nauseum, post elsewhere.  Snowflake.   
I am not interested in debating Trump’s vulgarity, tweets, etc. I opposed hs trade and immigration policies from the first statement he ever made on the subject. He got little support from the GOP running for office and was just as vulgar then as he is now. He has lost more battles in the GOP Congress than he has won. The Courts have been tough on him.
My statements regarding Trump have been in response to the non-existent Russian collusion investigation and the factless contention by the Resistance that is a dictator, which is laughable. At the same time issues like repealing ObamaCare and Tax Reform are GOP issues that he has hurt and helped. I favor both.

The issue is not Trump, it is the ongoing democrat tactic of labeling all GOPers as Racist.
Trump makes matters worse but Josh was on that trail long before the Donald came along.
You obviously don’t care.
But I’m not going anywhere just because you believe as he does .
I continue to be stunned that the postings of a some guy that you don't know bother you more than the continued racist rantings of the head of the party you apparently have slavish devotion to. I don't care if you stay here or go, but I'll always wonder WHY you stay.
People like you.
And why you are bothered by me, a guy you don’t even know.
14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
For your consideration re: GOP/Racism

White Supremacists are rallying around and praising Trump's comments.

Yet no Republican in the room has yet called them out for what they were, or in fact explicitly admitted that they even happened.


As an observation I see you have nothing to comment on regarding Nancy Pelosi’s racists comments.

I didn't know about them.  Nor would I, if I didn't have to go to websites that specialize in racism-apology by pointing to "Reverse racism!" in order to know what you are talking about.

Pelosi's comments weren't racist.  They were on par with the criticisms that Trump's Women's Health Committee was made up entirely of men.
Oh so you DO know about them!
One of those white guys is Steny Hoyer, right?
15  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: January 12, 2018, 05:24:21 PM
For your consideration re: GOP/Racism

White Supremacists are rallying around and praising Trump's comments.

Yet no Republican in the room has yet called them out for what they were, or in fact explicitly admitted that they even happened.


As an observation I see you have nothing to comment on regarding Nancy Pelosi’s racists comments.
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