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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: March 17, 2019, 12:54:17 PM »
I understand that mix and match lineups and everybody gets to start  for extended stretches (and not just in their hometowns a la Larry Brown) is unconventional and generally frowned upon.  But I've liked it -- think it's been useful, interesting and fun.

The only ones who didn't play much were Courtly & Lance, and other than trying to raise their trade value, there was no reason to play such decent vets much.    Noah another vet who was unwanted, though that largely predated Fiz and was apparently for different reasons.

Franc's main problem has been poor play.  And some minor dings.  And of course we've had Mud/Burke and now Jr. Smith/Mud and Franc hasn't beaten anybody out.  While the SG slot has had a lot of guys competing hard.

Knox has been given a ton of minutes and ops and has been up and down like most rooks.  KK had a terrific Dec. and a stretch where he was really good in 1Q's.  Hopefully all this experience pays off down the road.

Dot, Mitch, Vonleh, Trier have all done well.
Zonja hasn't.  Kornet has been interesting.  Started as a sharpshooter, but has morphed into a pretty good interior defender.

Generally speaking, mix and match lineups make a lot of sense when the coach has a philosophy of playing hot-hand lineups.  That can be very much fun as players truly compete and complement each other's play.

My favorite instance of this happened when the Yankees after a decade of drudgery were putting together Munson, Lyle, Rivers and that gang of players who in their formative years really showed the spark of something special. 

I find the Knicks games unwatchable because I see no such sparks. Every game provides a statistical standout or two but the inevitable, conscripted losing is unbearable.  The NBA is responsible for this shitshow across the league.  And the normalization of disingenuous "we really are trying to win" rhetoric is simply teaching kids that adults are all full of sh@t.

If there every was a year to introduce a system and stick to it hell or high water, this was it.  I don't care if we sign five FAs all of whom are great - I don't see a systematic foundation for playing any kind of even "let's pretend"  the right way.

We have drifted a long way from Kansas without heart, a brain, or a lucky charm.

I also disagree on Franc.  His play is predictably immature for good reason - he's a freakin' kid. Same deal with most of our roster.  No amount of diet or conditioning is going to change that.  That said, Fizdale has done nothing to mold these guys in a way that they could contribute within their means.  And regardless of age, these kids should be working on conditioning day and night - no excuses.

Zonja is the canary in the coal mine.  He is an absolutely obvious bust.  If he sticks around longer than having the time to clean out his locker then we need to start asking for Fizdale's replacement. The ship be stinking.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: March 16, 2019, 08:52:28 PM »

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 20, 2019, 11:39:11 PM »
Mild sprain

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Basketball / Re: 4 first round picks for AD?
« on: February 05, 2019, 06:25:56 PM »

Make it five first rounders (three Knicks, both of the Mavs picks). Throw in second rounders. But, really, we're not getting AD without giving up at least two of Knox/DSJ/Ntilikina in addition to our pick

We would be also taking on Solomon Hill.

Knox
2019 #1
DSJ
IsoZo

PLUS Salary (Kanter Lance)

Plus 


HOW MANY #1s gets it done?

Look, there's at least two chess games going on aside from the Lake show.  In the big picture, Boston is terrified of the rising Knicks' fortunes.  With AD, Boston would dominate the East at exactly the time our guys are mature enough to compete.  The Knicks would spend another decade getting out under the thumb of Boston.

So, those are the real stakes in the East.

Now,  I do think the Knicks have the goods to acquire AD - no, he wouldn't come inexpensively.  But I think that's why Frankie's name is still being bantered about as trade bait - strictly for an AD exchange.

IMO, The Knicks would be sending Knox, Frankie, Vonleh, Robinson, Kanter, Lance, and four future #1s (not 2019), and some cash to buyout Kanter for AD, Hill, and Payton (or a useful third player).

NO can tank all on their own this year and have a very nice foundation for two years out.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 11:05:58 PM »
AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?

Well, what's so special about the Celtics?  Any team could play that game. Correct?  The real question is, what could you get from a Lakers team that will have an aging, evermore desperate Lebron trying to fix the odds?  Most of their players who aren't geriatric are rather pedestrian talent-wise.  Boston, today has better players.

More picks? AD ain't coming for free. Is there a net gain?

Sounds dubious.

If Boston or NY trades for AD - they plan on locking him up not risking one and done.

NY is a nice fit.

Davis isnt signing an extension with anyone except LA.

Thus the question - would Boston take him for a year?

Yes. Yes.  Now that you mention it Boston *has* built its pedigree on trading for opportunism when it presents itself and then allowing itself to be bent over a table when the asset decides to bid adieu.

Sure, Boston will do that.

When did you become AD's manager that you're so sure he wouldn't sign with NY?

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 06:15:39 PM »
Wonder if KZ wanted the meeting and wanted out because he heard the Knix were shopping him. 

Even if KZ wanted out, that doesn't absolve PerryMills.
The other issue is why did KZ want out?
Why wouldn't he want to play in NYC?
The roster/team/management turnover and disarray certainly didn't help.  Neither did Phil's interest in trading him.  Firing Longstaff, the coach who worked closely with KZ.  The way Melo was treated.  Etc.

Btw, last 2 Knick big FA signings -- Tim Jr & Noah ...

KP was a bad apple.  It was obvious to Phil and his team and KP simply confirmed it this season.  I personally shuddered at the thought of being stuck with the SOB.  Couldn't be happier that he's gone - rotten to the core.

KP didn't necessarily want out, he wanted power, he wanted the FO to cave in so he could act like a Melo gangstah.  He's a player who because of money imagines himself to be somebody when he's a nobody.  THE fo was well prepared - Porzingis was out before the door could hit him in the ass.

Dallas will show him that same door the minute he pulls that crap there. In three years they'll be erecting a statue in China of Porzingis. He's not long for the NBA.

THE FO has been stable for a long time except in the fiction of fan forums.  Dolan sleeps well.  Mills has been great and Perry is doing a fine job.  This is a year of sacrifice that feels awful.  Its almost over.

BTW: we still have a unicorn in Frankie - he's the real deal and always was.  We are loaded with players on the cusp of greatness and we haven't been punked as the NBA dumping ground for a long time.

To the top!

As for agents, I'm expecting Durant to reunite with Westbrook in NY, not Kyrie.

Unfinished business.

 


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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 06:03:04 PM »
Good time to be a Knicks fan.

Like saying, Good time to have a lobotomy ...

The Porzingis trade will go down as one of NY's finest.  The first in a domino effect.

 

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 06:01:11 PM »
AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?

Well, what's so special about the Celtics?  Any team could play that game. Correct?  The real question is, what could you get from a Lakers team that will have an aging, evermore desperate Lebron trying to fix the odds?  Most of their players who aren't geriatric are rather pedestrian talent-wise.  Boston, today has better players.

More picks? AD ain't coming for free. Is there a net gain?

Sounds dubious.

If Boston or NY trades for AD - they plan on locking him up not risking one and done.

NY is a nice fit. 

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 05:31:53 PM »
No Prez, Kawhi has not been mentioned, but he can't be ignored or dismissed.  Max plus one is max plus one, and due diligence is due diligence.

But do you really trust "the inside dope" that KD is really interested in NYC?  It's along time until July...

Also Kyrie - he of the flat worlders - seems pretty skittery about how he feels on any given day...say the Celts make a deep run, then maybe Kyrie will decide - hey the earth is round and the navel is Beantown...

just saying - who knows what lurks in the hearts of men.....

Kyrie ain't coming.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 05:30:28 PM »

So, what do all who are mad at the Knicks for trading him think of this now?

KP can do one, as they say across the pond, for all I care.

Really hard to triangulate:  an incompetent FO (Baker & THJ contracts, muddying Frank's waters, or Franking Muds stamp on the team - either way too much redundancy too much), an evil brother Janis who clearly outgrew Riga, is very impressed with himself, and sees himself a player, and a young unicorn who is still very immature and like his brother very impressed with himself...

Does anyone really think the FO let the KP offer percolate and stew the required time to get the best offer?   On the one hand  threats were made about comfort and fit, but who really thinks a player coming of an ACL would really sign a QO and take on the risk?  The FO didn't have the moxie to call that bluff I guess...

Between the three of them communications must have been fraught, jumbled, and fuzzy at best.
And god knows where Dolan's hand was in all this - but it was somewhere...
A very typical Knicks CF...and in that regard nothing has changed...

From what I read and hear, the Knicks had been looking at offers for KP before the meeting so they had already assessed what they could get. Nets, and I forget what other teams made offers, and we offered him to N.O. who said nope.

Dallas' one was probably the best for what they thought they should do if they traded him. When he approached them with the meeting and told them what's up they must have thought if this comes out in the media (i.e. AD's situation) then his value would be even less, so they took the offer.

Had they sat on it or shopped him elsewhere, it might have led to even worse offers, especially if the story came out...which it did anyway that morning, about the meeting between he and the FO. His value could  have diminished had it been clear to other teams he wanted out.

Who knows, but I can see why they did it when they did rather than wait.

The idea that the FO is incompetent is one of the assumptions preventing many Knicks fans from understanding the dynamics of this trade and its significance.

The FO has probably had a number of potential Porzingis buyers in their back pocket since this past summer. They were also plenty aware of and had a belly full of the Porzingis brothers complaints and -cough- recommendations.  THE FO didn't particularly need any more excuse to cut this idiot out.

The first phone call they probably made may have been to New Orleans to see if they could acquire AD and by all reports NO said, "No thanks."  What went unreported is what else NO might have said.

Because NO might have added, "Come back to us with a couple of draft picks and we can get serious."

And, as they say, "the plot thickens".

In the meantime, AD is being roasted by pundits and professionals for having been had [by LA and their minions].

AND..., the Lakers are melting down in turmoil as we post.  None of that can be appetizing to AD on second and third thought.

So forget the mega-ocean of cash the Knicks have to spend this summer. In the coming few days the Knicks can offer NO a couple of unprotected first round picks for AD, and expiring contract or two, and maybe a young player or two.  And that offer for AD doesn't even make a dent in the remaining flexibility to could a blue chip FA or two.

And if not AD, how about Gasol? or...

Good time to be a Knicks fan.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: February 03, 2019, 04:46:32 PM »
It’s going to be more than 10 games settling rotations and adjusting to tendencies to have a chance to play our better ball, with the new guys, and then Frank and Manny to work in. We’ll easily have stacked up 50 losses before we’re in any danger of winning one.

Potential sell offs by Bulls and Cavs are a bigger danger to our lotto chances at the moment.

Some ugly waters ahead.

An interesting by-product of the new draft chances are that *more* teams are tanking harder than ever to go low.

This is resulting in a tsunami of mid-grade talent being shopped in February as a fire sale.  The FO was wise in trading early.

They need not to wait too long.  A number of teams are going to be stuck with players they would prefer to have moved.

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