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Basketball / Frank is a legit 6'6" now?
« on: September 22, 2018, 10:49:50 PM »
Frank Ntilikina, PG: Has grown 1 /₂ inches since last season, but Knicks still listing him at same height, perhaps by his wishes.

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 22, 2018, 12:24:36 AM »
I still believe the Melo deal was the right move at the time; Mozgov's yield to a desperate David Griffin later is a valid point but I think the Knicks, with Amare in hand and the likelihood that Melo would have gone to Brooklyn meant that the alternative - proceeding with Amare plus the youth we traded - made much less sense. I've heard the arguments, I suppose you've heard mine.

I see this situation differently. Butler is older than Melo was, and the core is younger. There is no win-now imperative that an Amare-type player might compel. The upcoming free agency the next two years is more favourable to NY than what Donnie faced. The draft, which meant little to the Knicks the year Amare had them flirting with the playoffs pre-Melo, means so much this year.

I think this Knicks team has the chance to do something special - 25 wins. If Kanter or Hardaway miss time before Christmas, then Porzingis' arrival may well be delayed until after the ASB. Then we might be in the mix for something even more special - under 20 wins. Add any of RJ (be still my heart), Little, Zion, Reddish or even Langford to the core of KP/Knox/Frank/TimJr, and our core becomes legitimately exciting. Plus we'd have one max spot this summer or two the following summer.

The big play I'd look isn't cashing chips in for Butler but rather trying to move Courtney Lee to Philly for Jerryd Bayless (expiring) and TimJr to Sacto for expirings (they have loads of flexibility) or to Dallas for Wessy Wes (expiring); I'd be willing to sacrifice either Burke or Mudiay to do it, but not picks. Those two moves would give us enough cap space for two max spots and still be in a position to resign either Hezonja or potentially even Kanter (as well as possibly Vonleh or Burke or Mudiay). We'd be one of the three worst teams in the league, yes, but with the payoff of lots of time for the kids and the belief that the rebuild would be expedited this summer, once we add a top-5 or so pick and, potentially, two stars. If the Fizdale aura is real, I could see Kyrie/Butler being in play. Hell, if we get Barrett or Little, I could see Kyrie/Durant being in play. We wouldn't be a team that looked like it was going to lose forever.

And, again, if they didn't come, we'd still be in great spot. I don't see a compelling enough reason to bring in Butler now.

You make good points for staying out of the Butler-Irving -- trifecta? 

But i don't think there is any chance KD ever plays for the Knicks. 

Hope i'm wrong but just don't see him as the guy to lead us to the promised land.

Not cut out for this cloth.


And you can't assume we will land a top 5 pick.

We were 9 this season.  And that was with a half-season from KP.  Same as next year.

That's a lot of teams to  -- leapfrog?

So to me... if you don't do Butler now and Irving later... you won't get either

And you're never gonna get KD....

so who are you making all this cap space for??

DeMarcus Cousins?  Draymond Green?

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 22, 2018, 12:07:55 AM »
EM lookin good

Watched it a couple times. It seems like videos from 2 different 3 on 3 scrimmages.  I can make out EM playing with Kanter and Ntilikina.  (Hope there were some passes from EM to Frank but i saw none) but i couldn't make out clearly who the opponents were.

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 21, 2018, 11:58:57 PM »
EM lookin good

If you ranked the EM fans on this board i'd be in last place but that video looked good, i saw a slowed-down, in control, confident Mudiay.

It may not be a sure sign of a good thing, but its not a bad thing either.

The more of these "wild card" reclamation projects we reclaim the better.  Gives us options.  Never a bad thing.  Rooting for EM.

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 20, 2018, 09:16:38 PM »
It's SO not a panic move.  It's a calculated move over two seasons.

EXACTLY - by the way- what the young Lakers team did.

They got LeBron this year so they can add a guy next year. Target: KL.

Think that will work out? Good investment, no?

Knock yourself out, dude. 

BOTTOM LINE.  Your LeBron argument?  THE LAKERS DID NOT SURRENDER ASSETS, nurtured their youth, were committed to growing pains and losing thereof, and opened up cap space.  Again, I am all in for considering Butler next summer.  Much as we should've done with Melo.  So your argument turns back on itself.

Randle  - 72 in the Top 100
Nance Jr

Those guys are assets

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:48:22 PM »
It's SO not a panic move.  It's a calculated move over two seasons.

EXACTLY - by the way- what the young Lakers team did.

They got LeBron this year so they can add a guy next year. Target: KL.

Think that will work out? Good investment, no?

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:29:16 PM »
If you invest in people you don't pass on Jimmy Butler.

You want his blueprint on your team.

Whats going down in Minny says more about Andrew Wiggins than Jimmy Butler.

Basketball / Re: Nothing Is Written
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »
Yes, the bold moves. 

The bold moves that define a franchise. 

Eddy Curry

Stephon Marbury

Carmelo Anthony


Maybe we should try another approach, capiche?

Apples, Oranges, and Watermelons.

Think about the human being that Jimmy Butler is. 

Went from homeless to the NBA.

Think about the human beings that Curry (irresponsible with weight) Marbury (eats vaseline live) were.

Carmelo was a lot better investment than either of those guys were.

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:19:41 PM »
The worry of not dealing for Butler and thus luring Irving is that even with room for 2 contracts there is no guarantee stars will come.

But you cant play the game (business of the NBA) scraed.  If it is DURANT you covet,then DURANT is who you go after

I think in Fizdale's vocabulary, "be patient, dont chase the shiny things" = "lets wait for the BIGGER prize".

Durant only wants things easy.  Why would he ever come to NYC?  He is too thin-skinned.

Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:47:20 PM »
butler is close to being on the wrong side of 30.

5 years?  what will a 34 year old butler look like?

pass on a deal.

free agent is one thing.  trade?  no .

What if...

Butler assures you Irving.

Still no?

Basketball / Re: Nyets
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:43:03 PM »
Just for giggles. 

Offer them...

D'Angelo Russell

And a choice of either DeMare Carroll or Kenneth Faried...both ending contracts.  Players ready to compete and D up for Thibs. 

A lottery protected #1.  And their #2. 

For the Nyets, an opportunity to go all in.  And possibly get Kyrie.

If he goes to the Nets Irving will follow.

That's why this is important to get done if you don't want a repeat of the early 2000s nets teams.

Basketball / Re: Minority Report
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:37:52 PM »
Jimmy Butler. 

What is it with Knicks fans?


I do this trade with the insight that Butler and Irving are angling to play together in 19-20.

Not just Tits. 

Basketball / Me
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:58:00 PM »
An ending contract -- no this is the Melo situation... he can extend and several suitors want him.

I would really think about trading this years #1 for a year of Jimmy Butler if i could get Top 3 protection on the pick.
(or if i could dump salary)

With a healthy motivated Jimmy Butler and his two-way game we should have a decent shot at the 8 seed.

And we would showcase MSG as a destination for a MAX level Free Agent next summer.

KD isn't coming here.

But Irving, Butler, Porzingis is a nice big 3

Basketball / Jimmy Butler asks for a trade
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:52:51 PM »
Yesterday none of you wanted him if picks were involved.

Now he has a short list of 3 teams supposedly.

Are you still willing to be patient?

Basketball / Brandon Jennings
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:41:13 PM »
Brandon Jennings had the career telfair could have had.

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