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1  Sports / Basketball / Re: BanKnox on: June 24, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
Who was the one pro-trade?

I think biz, but it might have been fac.
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 24, 2018, 09:42:53 PM
Or you can just see Sanders for what she is, a fucking fascist pig, spreading hate.

And certainly God-fearing people of conscience, might find it offensive to dine with a vile hate filled creature in a family restaurant.

 

I don't think she's hate filled, just brainwashed by the pseudo-Christian Borg Collective.   These folks believe they are doing the Lord's work, much like those who caused Thoreau to say "I should flee for my life. " 

You can't deprogram them until you've removed the mechanical arm and the eyeball cam.

Red,  you should tell us what makes Priest's analogy so bad.   Labeling isn't reasoned argument.

Her father is a bigot.

She choose to work and spread the hate of another bigot.

I do not assume her to be a woman of good faith.

I assume she is a fucking fascist pig.

I do not believe in hell, but her religion does, and I hope she will burn for all eternity.

3  Sports / Basketball / Re: BanKnox on: June 24, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
Bank, I voted Bridges before I heard of Knox and his workout for Knix as well as his potential. I suspect some if not all of the other 3 Bridges voters would have changed their votes to Knox as I would have if I could.

Carlos

I didn't vote, as I didn't care one way or another, and don't know the knicks and their needs as well as most here, but from what I read, thought the knicks were likely to go with Nova's Bridge. He seemed a more polished and complete player who may be ready to contribute as a rookie. And after what I thought was a less than stellar rookie performance from Nik, the new mgmt guys might be more inclined to go for a surer thing, and not a riskier more developmental player.

I just thought it telling that on an active knick forum, Knox was 0-for-10, and wasn't considered among those who voted.

That vote was taken BEFORE Knox's 3-On-3 workout, and also before the meds on Porter came in, so self-congrats are not necessarily in order, not approbation for the lack of a hoops Nostradamus zeroing in on the dark horse.  I myself was arguing with Kam's dismissal of Bridges as a safe, boring choice, though in the end, I was fine with either Bridges or Knox, but at 6'9" at 18 as opposed to 6"7" and 21, my sense of things was that the Knicks were leaning towards Knox, and I was then, and am right now, just fine with that.  

So, really, what are you arguing?  

Chirp

My point is quite simple, on a knick forum where not one poster thought the Knicks were going to draft Knox, or wanted the Knicks to draft Knox, (the vote was what it was and Knox polled zero votes) he now becomes an untradeable asset with vast upside.

Color me skeptical.

You got that color, Chirp?

Knox's future as a NBA player was a mystery before the draft, and it he remains a mystery today.

Except he's 3 days older with a layer of hype.

But he is now your mystery dressed in the blue and orange.

As to your previous post, TLDR

If you want to get into a pissing match

Not interested.

I spend too much time pissing as is, and generally its inconvenient

But if you're so inclined Knox yourself out.

Oooh, you shame me before my master.  

Watch as Chirp slinks away to lick his wounds.  

nevertheless, I always enjoy the high sulphur content of your piss, there Skank, as you preen upon your lofty perch to dismiss Knox as an empty hype, bought into by ignorant, uninformed Knicks fans, who lack your sophistication and prescience, putting you in excellent company with the boo birds at the Barclay, most notably, with the two handicappers who booed the Porzingis selection.  

Again, I am not worthy of the urine you emit, so uncertain of my picks, thus piss upon my Knicks.  

See you in the Garden, Skank.  

Chip

I'm sorry a hypothetical question addressed to the forum and answered by at least 3 other posters (1 pro-trade, 2 keep) evoked such hostility in you.

And nowhere did i knock Knox, nowhere. I was just as informed/uninformed as to his NBA potential or where he might be drafted as the fans here.

He was generally seen as a (9)-10-15 guy in the mocks I read.

But most as I recall had him as a developmental player, less complete than Bridges.

And I wondered if the new guys might want to draft a guy who would make a bigger splash sooner.

4  Sports / Basketball / Re: BanKnox on: June 24, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
Bank, I voted Bridges before I heard of Knox and his workout for Knix as well as his potential. I suspect some if not all of the other 3 Bridges voters would have changed their votes to Knox as I would have if I could.

Carlos

I didn't vote, as I didn't care one way or another, and don't know the knicks and their needs as well as most here, but from what I read, thought the knicks were likely to go with Nova's Bridge. He seemed a more polished and complete player who may be ready to contribute as a rookie. And after what I thought was a less than stellar rookie performance from Nik, the new mgmt guys might be more inclined to go for a surer thing, and not a riskier more developmental player.

I just thought it telling that on an active knick forum, Knox was 0-for-10, and wasn't considered among those who voted.

That vote was taken BEFORE Knox's 3-On-3 workout, and also before the meds on Porter came in, so self-congrats are not necessarily in order, not approbation for the lack of a hoops Nostradamus zeroing in on the dark horse.  I myself was arguing with Kam's dismissal of Bridges as a safe, boring choice, though in the end, I was fine with either Bridges or Knox, but at 6'9" at 18 as opposed to 6"7" and 21, my sense of things was that the Knicks were leaning towards Knox, and I was then, and am right now, just fine with that.  

So, really, what are you arguing?  

Chirp

My point is quite simple, on a knick forum where not one poster thought the Knicks were going to draft Knox, or wanted the Knicks to draft Knox, (the vote was what it was and Knox polled zero votes) he now becomes an untradeable asset with vast upside.


Color me skeptical.

You got that color, Chirp?

Knox's future as a NBA player was a mystery before the draft, and it he remains a mystery today.

Except he's 3 days older with a few layers of hype.

But he is now your mystery dressed in the blue and orange.

As to your previous post, TLDR

Most think the 76ers trade a smart move by the 76ers, for reasons generally and briefly explained.

Not worth going into it much more.

If you want to get into a pissing match

Not interested.

I spend too much time pissing as is, and generally its inconvenient

But if you're so inclined Knox yourself out.
5  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 24, 2018, 08:26:18 PM
Or you can just see Sanders for what she is, a fucking fascist pig, spreading hate.

And certainly God-fearing people of conscience, might find it offensive to dine with a vile hate filled creature in a family restaurant.

 
6  Sports / Basketball / Re: BanKnox on: June 24, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Bank, I voted Bridges before I heard of Knox and his workout for Knix as well as his potential. I suspect some if not all of the other 3 Bridges voters would have changed their votes to Knox as I would have if I could.

Carlos

I didn't vote, as I didn't care one way or another, and don't know the knicks and their needs as well as most here, but from what I read, thought the knicks were likely to go with Nova's Bridge. He seemed a more polished and complete player who may be ready to contribute as a rookie. And after what I thought was a less than stellar rookie performance from Nik, the new mgmt guys might be more inclined to go for a surer thing, and not a riskier more developmental player.

I just thought it telling that on an active knick forum, Knox was 0-for-10, and wasn't considered among those who voted.
7  Sports / Basketball / Re: Bank Shot on: June 24, 2018, 06:56:35 PM
I'll engage Bankshot on his query, snarky as it may be.  

Bridges will be a fine pro.  

I suspect the Sixers move had little to do with the relative talents of the players and more to do with accumulating cap space to make a possible run at LeBron.  

That being the case, I am still WTF.  

NO, I would not have done that deal for the Knicks, let alone for the Sixers.  

Of course, having LeBron would preclude Mikal at SF.  

Be that as it may, LeBron likes to have the ball in HIS hands.

Simmons is a ball-dominant presence with great vision and court instincts and moves to the hoop, and as of this writing, NO JUMP SHOT.  

I was and remain a Bridges enthusiast.  

However, this second guessing is pretty pointless, relative to the Knicks needs and the Sixers' questionable move.  Even with a 2021 #1, making up for the #1 they pissed away in the Fultz/Tatum deal?  We shall see.  

The Knicks decision was predicated on a number of factors.  

* Knox's size differential, relative to what we already have on the roster (Lee, Hardaway, Williams, at 6'5", 6'6" and 6'7" respectively).  At 6'9" and possibly still growing taller, Knox projects well in match-ups with a growing generations of larger wings as a SF/PF, while Bridges is more of a SF/SG.  

* Knox's potential projects positively compared to Bridges, if one believes that Knox, who turns 19 in August, compared to Bridges, who turns 22 in August, has a larger window of upside than Bridges, which is, of course, debatable, but plausible.  

* Knox's competitive nature was tellingly showcased in his 3-On-3 workout against equally motivated draft prospects, as was his willingness to so engage.  Surprisingly, Bridges opted for a 1-on-NONE workout.  Both are high character young men, with impeccable pedigrees in top-tier collegiate programs.  A 3-On-3 workout is surely riskier than a single workout, as certain factors are out of your control.  Knox's willingness, Knox's EAGERNESS to engage such an audition impressed the Knicks.  Much as Michael Porter's unwillingness to engage in even a single monitored work out, let alone to make himself available to teams for rigorous physical exams blew up in his face.  

As for Bank's presumption that trades were there for the making if the Knicks so desired--a projection which jibes with that Of THE DOUCHE BAG FAMILY at the Barclay, who famously booed both Porzingis & Knox--that seems like a rather specious conclusion.  

OH BUT CHIP, I NEVER SUGGESTED THERE WAS A DEAL, I WONDERED IF YOU WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED A DEAL.  

Okay, the deal the Mavs made.  

They saw the Slovenian kid as a generational talent, a natural match for their system and their culture and their elder.  I am not sure how much protection attaches to the Mavs pick.  Depends how much they improve next season.  A pretty dramatic roll of the dice, but a Smith-Doncic back court could be pretty formidable going forward.  And they had an ideal trading partner in Atlanta, who were hot for Young.  WE WERE NEVER IN PLAY, obviously.

As for a projected deal with the Grizz, in which no less a trusted personage than Pharoah was willing to basically offer up his own kid sister for a shot at Mo Bamba.  

I love Bomba.  Unique mix of size, length, athleticism and smarts.  

But taking on a two-year rental of Chandler Parsons, at 25 million per, GUARANTEED, a contract which makes our own commitments to Hardaway and Noah look parsimonious by comparison, if precisely the kind of asinine deal/short term fix the Knicks have done for years and years and years.  It would have effectively robbed us of the ability to be players in the free agent market for years to come, whether or not we whiff going forward...because cap space, while not a be all and end all, is surely VALUABLE.  Just ask the 2018-2019 Lakers.  

It also presupposes, speciously, that HIGH LOTTERY PICKS are inherently better than later first round picks.  Hey, this was a pretty loaded draft from 1-To-14, given, but I would suggest that teams such as the Spurs and THE FUCKING CELTICS, did pretty well with latter picks.  I mean, the Celtics made out like bandits, whose skill set, even the lack thereof, makes him a perfect front court acolyte for Horford and Baynes, and precisely what the Celtics need going forward in the areas of shot blocking and rebounding, where they were found to be relatively lacking in the their exceptional playoff run.  

Finally, as per the Sixers deal, they are clearly making a play for LeBron...just as clearly, they already have Furkan Kormaz as a developing SF, and Robert Covington, signed to a long term deal, as a fixture at SF.  They just as clearly were most definitely gauging the market for Fultz.  So in that sense, Bridges was a luxury, lest you project him as more of a SG, and he is not a shot creator but a shot maker.  Zhiare Smith projects as a dynamic combo guard next to Simmons, a better defender than Fultz, less ball dominant, and if the Sixers let Reddick walk and have that cap space for a FA bid, with Smith, veteran Bayless and Timothe Luwawu on ice, trade makes a certain amount of perverse sense for the Sixers.

For the Knicks, with our crowded backcourt, veterans Lee and Hardaway crowded out at SF by Knox and Williams and Thomas, the presence (for now) of Ron Baker, the emergence of Dotson ( a good defender0, and the two way contract bestowed upon the undrafted Allonzo Trier (surely not the defender Smith is, for what it's worth), we would appear to be loaded in the back court.  Remains to be seen if out of all that talent, some dominating performers emerge, evolve.  

My buddy Miras mocks me, and by extension, Knicks management, coaches, roster and draft picks.  

We have committed to a process, and to a youth movement.

We retain our #1 picks, now and in the future.  Our last instance of FA largesse was Timmy, and the jury is still out there.  Noah and Lee remain from the Jackson era.  Otherwise, we look to sustain the process we have just begun, both by purpose, design and circumstance (given KP's recovery projections).  

So, Bankster.

NO WIRE HANGERS.  



How was asking the question "would you (knicks fans) make the trade the 76ers did if the Suns offered the #16 (Zhaire Smith) and a future unprotected 1 for Bridges"  snarky?

It wasn't.

Nor was there any presumption of anything.

I asked a question about the trade of a player Bridges that a many here (40%) thought the Knicks were going to draft.

Not one poll respondent had Knox as the guy the Knicks were going to draft.

Not one person in this forum.

Now you all say he's a no-brainer

HEH

you're too defensive and a employing some revisionist history Chirp.

(that's snarky)

And Chirp gathering valuable unprotected assets for rebuilding teams is generally a good thing.

It produces more options, reduces risk, and generally produces higher expected returns.

You'll thank me some day.

probably not

heh
8  Sports / Basketball / Re: Knicks on: June 24, 2018, 11:50:36 AM
Gotta question, its a hypo, but thought about it last night, and decided to let you guys riminate (sic) about the Knick's knew kid

from what I gather its love/hate re Knox

but what if the Knicks went VillyPhilly and took Bridges.

and the phone rings over at the war-room at Penn Plaza and its the Suns

and hopefully you get the drift

would you do it, and who would you do it for assuming the same picks 10-15.

or do you stand pat

Knicks already have  mikal bridges. His name is Lance Thomas.  I'm proud of the front office for taking a full swing for the fences on this kid being a star. 6'9 with inside and outside game.  One and done for a blue chip program.  Top 10 recruit  out of HS as well so it's not like his "flaws" were unearthed in college.  I don't think it's fair to judge the motor of a 17 or 18 year old kid being deficient. He made it to the NBA. He's got more motor than most. You put him with a coach that can light a fire under his ass... then you're loooking at a special player.  Becuase he wouldn't be top 10 with a suspect motor if he didn't check ALL THE OTHER BOXES


Kam

you either didn't get the drift, or skirted the issue.

Would you keep the #9 pick (Bridges or Knox) or trade it for presumably a player you don't like as much AND a future #1?

Knox may be a great pick, or an ok one, or suck, we don't know, the draft is a crap shoot even in the lottery, particularly as the kids get younger with less playing time in college, and injecting more risk into the selection process.

IMO 76ers were smart, sending a probably good to go and ready to contribute Bridges packing to the Valley of the Sun, take back a less complete Zhaire Smith, but very sweetened by the addition of a future unprotected #1 draft choice.


The only real downside was splaining it to Bridge's mom.

heh

And I agree its too early to draw hard anf fast conclusions about one and doners, these kids are still growing physically and emotionally and almost all still need a lot of coaching and mentoring if their true potential is to emerge.



You haven't been paying attention to my last 20 posts (including from before the draft).  I love the pick.  Not trading it.

I pay attention.

There's a difference between loving a player (Bridges/Knox whoever) and contemplating trading that player for possible additional value.

So I asked the knick forum contributors if they would make the trade the 76ers did.

And you just answered it.

I'm glad you love the pick, and think it a Knox in the hand is the singular best Knick solution.

9  Sports / Basketball / Re: Knicks on: June 24, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Gotta question, its a hypo, but thought about it last night, and decided to let you guys riminate (sic) about the Knick's knew kid

from what I gather its love/hate re Knox

but what if the Knicks went VillyPhilly and took Bridges.

and the phone rings over at the war-room at Penn Plaza and its the Suns

and hopefully you get the drift

would you do it, and who would you do it for assuming the same picks 10-15.

or do you stand pat

Knicks already have  mikal bridges. His name is Lance Thomas.  I'm proud of the front office for taking a full swing for the fences on this kid being a star. 6'9 with inside and outside game.  One and done for a blue chip program.  Top 10 recruit  out of HS as well so it's not like his "flaws" were unearthed in college.  I don't think it's fair to judge the motor of a 17 or 18 year old kid being deficient. He made it to the NBA. He's got more motor than most. You put him with a coach that can light a fire under his ass... then you're loooking at a special player.  Becuase he wouldn't be top 10 with a suspect motor if he didn't check ALL THE OTHER BOXES


Kam

you either didn't get the drift, or skirted the issue.

Would you keep the #9 pick (Bridges or Knox) or trade it for presumably a player you don't like as much AND a future #1?

Knox may be a great pick, or an ok one, or suck, we don't know, the draft is a crap shoot even in the lottery, particularly as the kids get younger with less playing time in college, and injecting more risk into the selection process.

IMO 76ers were smart, sending a probably good to go and ready to contribute Bridges packing to the Valley of the Sun, take back a less complete Zhaire Smith, but very sweetened by the addition of a future unprotected #1 draft choice.


The only real downside was splaining it to Bridge's mom.

heh

And I agree its too early to draw hard anf fast conclusions about one and doners, these kids are still growing physically and emotionally and almost all still need a lot of coaching and mentoring if their true potential is to emerge.

10  Sports / Basketball / Re: Knicks on: June 23, 2018, 09:29:15 PM
Quote
Mudiay, Hardaway, Knox, Kanter, Noah

isn't that the mid-town personal injury/slip'n all firm?
11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 23, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
I get it.

In the land of the free and home of the brave a fucking fascist pig should be entitled to roll in their own feces in relative peace.

I was just dishing a little political rhetoric with a twist of current events.

But i don't shed a tear for the fascist fucking pig who carries der Fuhrer's wasser.

Fuck her and not in a good way.

And fuck the "up in arms right".

piss in their extra-dry martinis

12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 23, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
Bankshot's 
Quote
Are the gutless sacks of shit just pissing on the Statue of Liberty....     

Was a fine piece of mixed metaphor.   

Luee remains word salad to me.

Meanwhile Sara Sanders ejected from restaurant for being a Trump girl.  Personally,  I think it just feeds the Right's stereos of liberals and invites hypocrisy charges.

Perhaps the restaurant owner's regious beliefs precluded her from serving a fucking fascist pig.
13  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: June 23, 2018, 03:22:07 PM
Holy chit-kid a rumor runner

14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 23, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
If you don't live in a world of facts, or rather when you live in a world where facts are whatever you can convince the crowd of, there is no such thing as provable.

I used to make the "Jokeservation"  that the Right was intent on rolling back the laws. They wanted to repeal the Great Society, Done, Civil Rights, Done, the New Deal, Done. But then they didn't want to stop there, no matter how "Conservative one is, there's always someone who wants to one-downs you.  The Emancipation Proclamation, Done. The Constitution, Done. Then it hopped the pond, they want to repeal the Magna Carta, Done. The New Testament, Done. With Bush II and now Trump! we're now looking to repeal Plato's Republic!

They want to take us back to the time when truth was subjective! Done.

Nothing can be termed "un real" because there is no such thing as "Real."

Goddamnit, where's my Goddamned hammer?
.

Bob

You bring up some very sound observations about the nut-wing right and their obssession with rolling back the great social contracts that mankind has devised since the days of Hammurabi.

The fucking thing is, when this fucking craziness started, there were a few principled Repubs who spoke out. But now the cowards have put party and power ahead of our national shared philosophy, and are perverting the core principles which so many said they would protect and defend.  

We are now Winston Smith in an Orwellian world where the motherfucking prevaricators proclaim, "2 +2 =5"

Where the fuck are the Republicans screaming, "the math is wrong"?

Where the fuck are the Repubs screaming, "you don't make kids hostage"?

Where the fuck are the Repubs screaming "you don't sleep with the enemy"?

Are the gutless sacks of shit just pissing on the Statue of Liberty and re-writing the most basic of social contracts, the 10 commandments?

Where the fuck is a hammer?
15  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: June 23, 2018, 01:21:54 AM

If I read/understood it correctly, SC just ran a blurb (according to Elias) that was the first time since 1945 the Sox have won a game with a pitcher giving up 10 or more earned runs.
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