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16  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
I get you’re upset by my perceived militancy, but Banks you can’t your personal insults against me on these racial discussions.


I can go back to our disagreement over Michael Sam not taking the deal for the documentary. You said he should have put his head down to make the team, I said once he came out before the draft and before he made the roster he was NOT GONNA MAKE ANY SQUAD.

That’s where my continued reference to “clueless and stupid” originates.

75% of white Americans had an unfavorable view of (hated) MLK and I was wrong because your family thought he was great.

You guys are pissed at me because I personalize the shit going on today, but you’re mad at me because I don’t make a point of saying, “Oh, no. Not you. You’re not like that.”

In my experience that’s not a compliment. When my white associates have said that to me I always wondered,
“If you have to tell me that, what do you say when I’m not here?’

I’m telling you what I think about our society, if I have to stroke you every time then you really have to ask why you take it personally?

I think enough about the people here to speak openly and honestly about how “I” see the world.

I guess that ain’t good enough.

Your militancy?
heh.

you're not militant.

You're angry and looking to blame people for your anger.

Knicks you never understood, despite repeated explanations, Sam had one job and that was to make the team, not a reslity TV show. Sam's sense of entitlement to bring a film crew to his job interview for his dreams job, was nuts.  What other rookie was so entitled to encroach on a team in that way, as a team was preparing for an upcoming season?

Answer: No one is.  It was manifestly a stupid idea and he got terrible advise. Oprah realized it almost immediately, and he finally realized it.

You never did.

Because you thought it was easy money.

Clueless.

And I sliced that 75% or whatever the MLK rating # was, to better reflect what northern white liberal and moderate adults with college educations, the white people you were more than likely to come into contact with growing up in NYC/LI, might have thought about MLK.

If we excluded the southern, midwestern, southwestern, rural non-college educated whites of the mid-60s from the poll, the MLK #s approval #s would have been higher.

But segmenting whites was something you weren't interested in, because its easier to see the whites as a monolithic bogey-man.

So please speak your mind, but fair warning, you may get pissed if someone else speaks theirs.

Thats the idea of a forum.



17  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 11:24:56 PM
just 50 years of expereince?

how about a history of of being subjected hatred, suffering, cruelty and evil that has a spanned over 5,000?

you're not the only aggrieved person or race on the planet.

Grow the fuck up
If Knicks made a comment based on your religious heritage I missed it. His grievances as a black man in America are not either a slight to or a reaction to yours. So why bring it up?

Apparently you missed it.

He gored my ox a while ago, and seemed markedly indifferent to anti-semitic themes.

knicks recognizes racism everywhere he looks, except in the mirrror.
18  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 10:12:00 PM
Fucking black people can't take responsibility for their words.

well not all black people
19  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 10:08:42 PM
Grow the fuck up

I take responsibility for what I say but not for what i didn’t say.

Or am I just stupid and clueless?

"just stupid and clueless" isn't quite enough to capture your essence

You're also a narrow-minded bigot.
20  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
just 50 years of expereince?

how about a history of of being subjected hatred, suffering, cruelty and evil that has a spanned over 5,000?

you're not the only aggrieved person or race on the planet.

Grow the fuck up
21  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 10:00:46 PM
Fucking black people can't take responsibility for their words.
22  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 08:11:13 PM
JFC,  could we just stipulate that harsh judgment and profiling are,  in the United States, more directed at people of color, and move on to constructive remedies? The problem is not crazy white people but clueless people who shrug their shoulders and point at their nearest blame-object.  The crazy people are shooting up waffle huts in the nude.  

Hannah Arendt famously referred to the clueless/normal people who shrug  their shoulders and do as they are told, or perhaps say nothing in the face of bigotry, as the "banality of evil".

23  Sports / Football / Re: NFL on: April 23, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
Had a feeling this story had some legs.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/22/patriots-expect-both-tom-brady-rob-gronkowski-to-play-this-year/

Apart from Gronkowski’s satisfaction or lack thereof with his pay, there’s also a belief that Gronkowski, Brady, and other Patriots continue to be salty about the inexplicable — and still unexplained — benching of cornerback Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl. A full eleven weeks later, coach Bill Belichick still hasn’t shed any light on the decision to use Butler for only one special-teams play and to keep him on the bench even after the Philly offense shredded the New England defense enough to force a change to the dime package during a 30-minute halftime.

None of the theories that have made the rounds fully hold water, and as one coach with another team previously pointed out to PFT, the fact that Butler took practice reps during the week before the Super Bowl strongly suggests that the move was disciplinary. Some have suggested that Butler may have had an unauthorized visitor in his room during the week before the game, but security at the J.W. Marriott at the Mall of America was too high to allow players to sneak someone in.

The fact that the Titans quickly pounced on Butler in free agency serves only to deepen the mystery. Given the ties that Tennessee G.M. Jon Robinson and coach Mike Vrabel have to the Patriots, the thinking is that there’s no way the Titans would have committed $30 million in guaranteed money to Butler if there was a major problem with the player’s ability or his attitude.

The questions will linger until an explanation for Butler’s benching is provided. But that may not end the debate, especially if the explanation doesn’t fully explain something that perhaps can’t be.
24  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 03:15:04 PM
Maybe the problem, as I suggested a week or so ago, is a clover-leaf highway with lots of traffic and not enough exits, and not a quiet 1-way street.
The more you explain yourself the more you make Knicks point. There is racism all around but it is the moral,equivalence you draw that is the problem. It is like saying hating Germans is the moral equivalent of Nazism. Knicks point is that the perception of black people is that white racism is institutionally enforced by the police, and the Starbucks incident enforces that.  Black racism does not have that element and it matters.

That you are agreeing with the racist troll Utley shojld.give you pause.

There is racism and predjudice all around. We see it in the real world and we see it mainifest itself in in Elba.

And there is no argument from me that the police often overstep authority and many times that is based in racism. And that racism and predjudice is instititutionalized in our society,
You have missed the point. The issue is the police being the enforcing arm of racism, not racist reactions be the police.
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My argument was only that bias is not only a weakness of caucasians and knicks often exhibits that weakness.
You have missed both points. Hate like love is all around, but hate backed by institutions and culture is a.different animal.

I didn't miss the point, I take issue with the point that all police are the enforcement arm of racists. I don't think we've devolved there quite yet.
I believe you have missed it again.
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YMMV

As to the 2nd point, let me be clear, this is about how I perceive knick's to view the world, and that perception is crafted only by what he posts. And I've posted such on more than one ocassion. IMO he is an angry black man, who I believe exhibits a noted bias. Which is fine, he's entitled to have whatever prejudices he wants. I just called him out on it, like he called out other for biases he perceives.

Its a busy 2-way street, not the 1-way that knicks has mistakenly taken it for.
Well, he is not president and therefore gets to be his own anger translator. Pointing out racism is not anger.

I have no.desire.to be involved in one of those 50 page argument threads you are so fond of. Claim the last word... absent personal insults to which I may or may not respond.

Boz

My observations last week and again yesterday and today were about predjudice I have perceived in Elba, based on my conversations, observations and interpretations. I had no intention of discussing the recent Starbucks incidence, as to me it was more an individual screw-up rather than a racism imbedded in the corporate culture at SBux.
And they acted quickly to correct the issue.   

And we are all anger generators and anger translators. I just pointed out that I detected a lot of anger and have for some time.

and I did not equate anger with racism/predjudice.

But I have seen several example of bias dating back over a couple of years, and I made mention of it.

Racism/predjudice is not a black or white issue, its a black and white issue.


Whether you respond or not, or agree or not...

YMMV

happy motoring
25  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 12:37:33 PM
Maybe the problem, as I suggested a week or so ago, is a clover-leaf highway with lots of traffic and not enough exits, and not a quiet 1-way street.
The more you explain yourself the more you make Knicks point. There is racism all around but it is the moral,equivalence you draw that is the problem. It is like saying hating Germans is the moral equivalent of Nazism. Knicks point is that the perception of black people is that white racism is institutionally enforced by the police, and the Starbucks incident enforces that.  Black racism does not have that element and it matters.

That you are agreeing with the racist troll Utley shojld.give you pause.

There is racism and predjudice all around. We see it in the real world and we see it mainifest itself in in Elba.

And there is no argument from me that the police often overstep authority and many times that is based in racism. And that racism and predjudice is instititutionalized in our society,
You have missed the point. The issue is the police being the enforcing arm of racism, not racist reactions be the police.
Quote

My argument was only that bias is not only a weakness of caucasians and knicks often exhibits that weakness.
You have missed both points. Hate like love is all around, but hate backed by institutions and culture is a.different animal.

I didn't miss the point, I take issue with the point that all police are the enforcement arm of racists. I don't think we've devolved there quite yet.

YMMV

As to the 2nd point, let me be clear, this is about how I perceive knick's to view the world, and that perception is crafted only by what he posts. And I've posted such on more than one ocassion. IMO he is an angry black man, who I believe exhibits a noted bias. Which is fine, he's entitled to have whatever prejudices he wants. I just called him out on it, like he called out other for biases he perceives.

Its a busy 2-way street, not the 1-way that knicks has mistakenly taken it for.
26  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 23, 2018, 09:16:39 AM
Maybe the problem, as I suggested a week or so ago, is a clover-leaf highway with lots of traffic and not enough exits, and not a quiet 1-way street.
The more you explain yourself the more you make Knicks point. There is racism all around but it is the moral,equivalence you draw that is the problem. It is like saying hating Germans is the moral equivalent of Nazism. Knicks point is that the perception of black people is that white racism is institutionally enforced by the police, and the Starbucks incident enforces that.  Black racism does not have that element and it matters.

That you are agreeing with the racist troll Utley shojld.give you pause.

There is racism and predjudice all around. We see it in the real world and we see it mainifest itself in in Elba.

And there is no argument from me that the police often overstep authority and many times that is based in racism. And that racism and predjudice is instititutionalized in our society,

My argument was only that bias is not only a weakness of caucasians and knicks often exhibits that weakness.
27  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 22, 2018, 11:24:10 PM
Maybe the problem, as I suggested a week or so ago, is a clover-leaf highway with lots of traffic and not enough exits, and not a quiet 1-way street.

Last week you told me I was a stupid, angry black man.

I'm not sure if you are stupid, or just obstinate and unable to appreciate other's perspectives. You are angry. You may or may not be black. I've no idea. Nor do I care. Last week my point to which I referred was that you seem to believe only you have the correct perspective on bias.

I thought it extraordinarily ignorant and short-sighted and almost guaranteed to lead to further communication problems.

You of course are free to disagree.
28  Sports / Basketball / Re: Knicks on: April 22, 2018, 10:18:30 PM
Morris ain't no Paul Pierce.

hellluva comeback/game

Playoff NBA is such great basketball. That was a thriller.

Boston deserved the W

They should have played the 1st half like they did the 2nd.

they've been digging holes like that all year, and escaping.

Playing like that in play-offs and the road that hole is most likely a grave.

they got the outcome they deserved,






29  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 22, 2018, 08:33:05 PM
Maybe the problem, as I suggested a week or so ago, is a clover-leaf highway with lots of traffic and not enough exits, and not a quiet 1-way street.
30  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 22, 2018, 06:47:47 PM
If Starbucks was insensitive or indifferent to the problem, a boycott might be warranted to seek a solution. But as Starbucks acted almost immediately to find a solution, what is the real value of a boycott?  

I think the problem was an individual manager using no judgement or poor judgement to create a problem that seemed not to exist.  

Starbucks is now in an interesting situation. They have to come up with a solution that either allows loitering/waiting or change the vibe of the place ie. be less inviting/do not allow people to linger for an hour+ on laptops with no purchase required.  
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