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4771  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 03:33:19 PM
The right thing to do was for Steiny (and/or his minions) to keep their mouth shut and not throw Torre under the 4-train in such a public manner, right before game 3.

I think the cliche is "let's keep this in-house".

To backtrack now (after backtracking last year) may be very hard to do, and would in effect nullify any future Steiny rants/missives.
4772  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 03:15:25 PM
I think Torre said as much that he wanted to manage again in that press conference

my take aways from the post-game pres conference were:

1 Torre thought he had just managed his last Y-game

2- he would like to manage again (out of NY)

3-he went out (if he did in fact go out) with a ton of style and grace.
4773  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 03:05:29 PM
Could he be a brilliant starter? Maybe- I got no idea, but i haven't seen him do it yet at the MLB level.


That's too silly for words

(in my best Joe Pesci voice) Do I amuse you?

kid he might be a great starter, but he's yet to start 1 game in the Bigs.

he may be better suited, with his 2++ pitchs,  to be a closer.

kid-your favorite FFFan talk show host just said (paraphrase)

"If Chamberlain is anything but brilliant as a starter, they'll move him back to closer, becasue they know he can do it"
4774  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 02:33:27 PM
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He either really wants to come back

or

knows he's gone and wants the Yanks to be the ones to cut the cord.

its probably both

it would be interesting to see what happens if a few more hi-profile Y-players publicly start to lobby for Torre's job.
4775  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 02:13:24 PM
have the Y's lost their Mo Joe?

well not yet
4776  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 01:00:43 PM
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Will Torre get the boot?

I see its new poll time.

I voted yes,

but IMO Joe should throw back a shot or two, slip a dollar in the jukebox, and play selection Y-5

Take This Job and Shove It
I ain't working here no more
Rocket done sucked  
and took all the reasons
I was working for
You better not try to stand in
my way as I'm walking out the door
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more
4777  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 12:31:35 PM
Could he be a brilliant starter? Maybe- I got no idea, but i haven't seen him do it yet at the MLB level.


That's too silly for words

(in my best Joe Pesci voice) Do I amuse you?

kid he might be a great starter, but he's yet to start 1 game in the Bigs.

he may be better suited, with his 2++ pitchs,  to be a closer.
4778  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 12:28:18 PM
Funny thing is Cashman had NO CLUE about the quality of the Kennedy/Chamberlain arms til about mid May, when an underling said, "Hey - you'd better get down here - we have 2 kids here who are better than what you have on your BIG LEAGUE squad right now"

Thgis call was fro SINGLE-A

I agree, Cashman lucked into his youth solution, he had no idea what he had.
4779  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 12:23:40 PM
I don't see the teary Joba handling the closer role.

Every 5th day is a better cruise level for him.  Gets a boost when he is ineffective and gets  a W anyway. Like Wang - could win 16 in his sleep - and in NY this is considered great no matter the ERA, # of QS or even the postseason performance (see CW)

I think Joba certainly could handle that role. He's was nothing short of brillliant as a 1-inning guy. He might be the perfect guy to transition to from Mo. Could he be a brilliant starter? Maybe- I got no idea, but i haven't seen him do it yet at the MLB level.

and IMO, Mo, maybe more than any other Y, is responsible for the 4 rings.

and in anycase, its going to be easier finding a 3/4/5 starter than it is finding another guy like Mo.
4780  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 12:08:08 PM
Well, kid, problem with that analysis is who do they sign (if not Rivera). gagne?

IMO Rivera reupping is not a dead certainty, but a tough call for a couple of reasons.

1-While Mo is stil an elite closer he's slipping, and he going to demand and probably get huge dough, for 2-3 years. The Ys may look at this as Theo did with Pedro.

Do we want another  "over-the-hill" guy making $15MM a year?

but more importantly

2-While the Y braintrust insists he's going to be a starter in '08 (like Sox/Papelbon in '07) Joba looked like he was more of a closer than a starter. While we got a SSS, and he was re-conditioned to be a set-up guy you got to wonder if Joba's real future isn't as a closer.

and while the thought of Mo in another uni might strike some as a cutting blow, IMO he was pissed that the Ys didn't want to negotiate and extend him, but were more than willing to do so with the true-Yankee, Arod.
Posada is the must sign guy.

IMO theres' going to be a a ton moving parts on the "organization".
4781  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 11:58:56 AM
and that they had to burn Hughes in the pen in long rellief, and couldbn't burn Joba, pointed out another small weakness
4782  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 11:51:53 AM
fwiw, I could see the Ys decision to put Joba in the rotation, being as much set in concrete, as was the the sox decsion to put Paps in the rotation. And if Mo decides to really be a FA and bolt the Bronx, who better than Joba to pick up the "ahem" mantle?
4783  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 11:41:15 AM
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Strange series for the Yankees.  It didn't seem like any major Yankee weakness was exposed (other than perhaps the notion that Wang is a #1 starter-he seems like he should be a #2 guy), they just got beaten.  


I'd change that to "new" weaknesses. That they had to start Clemens and wouldn't start Moose and and thus were forced to start Wang on short rest reinforced and certainly exposed the old weakness, that their starting pitching was not very good.
4784  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 09:25:42 AM
Is it just me, or does it seem that as fans embroiled in the heat of the postseason, we're enduring a rather lengthy hiatus?

I mean, since the ALDS ended, the forum has had time to go down and come back up, and we still have over two days to go before we see another AL pitch.

I, for one, am glad that we have A-Rod's contract to divert us in the interim. This process is going to raise Scott Boras to levels of insufferability previously undreamed of. Does anybody agree with me that whatever his next paycheck is, whoever who signs it, it's going to be more money than any one player is worth?

wp-

1)its you  :^)

2) theres' still plenty of time for another flying monkey hack attack

3) "worth" is a tricky word-depends on how you define it.

If a player like ARod can bring success (another tricky word: respectability, wins, hopes for a future championships(s)), and more importantly helps devlop a fan base that sticks, and that buys tickets and tunes into the team's wholly owned RSN (great initials), then maybe whatever obscene amount Boras extorts from the Ys, Angels, Cubs, Mets, Dodgers or Sox, may be onlly R-rated and not X-rated. 
4785  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: October 10, 2007, 09:02:24 AM
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Interesting that the Sox would shift Dice-K to game three, what with his Cy Young, 25 wins and Bobgibsonian e.r.a....

boz-seems to make some sense-Schilling has pitched better than Dice-k has since he came off the DL, and as we know Dice-k has been erratic for much of his past 2 months.

However, if you look at Dice-k's splits his era and most metrics are better on the road than at home. And his win against the Tribe ws at the Jake, his loss to the Tribe @ Fenway.

and Schill sweats a lot more than Dice-ks, so the Tribes secret weapon, their infamous 10th midge should not bother Dice-k as much.

as to the other stuff, perhaps a sox fan got a little too exuberant about a rookie pitcher. Perhaps he will have a sophmore year like, ma ma ma Carmona did.


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Congratulations to the Red Sox and their fans, and may The Best Team* win.


fwiw, boz last used this line in 1999**

** heh


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