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1  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-four-times-trump-signed-tax-returns-for-his-foundation-that-contained-incorrect-information/2018/06/22/a8f95f9e-7569-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.9784a9fd37fd

In other words, four occasions when Trump provably committed a felony while he demands zero tolerance and takes kids away from people who have committed a misdemeanor.

For the GOP, “law and order” is all about punishing the powerless while protecting the powerful.
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 09:13:00 PM
Republicans would have a better shot of convincing us that their message isn’t based on racist white nationalism if they stopped nominating racist white nationalists.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/22/politics/kfile-seth-grossman/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

And of course if the man they worship would stop giving them his support.
3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 09:10:52 PM
Trump: Immigrants are Animals.

US:  That’s a horrible thing to say.

Trump:  I was talking about Immigrants who commit crimes, like MS-13.

Then today…

Trump:  Look at these families that have been permanently separated by immigrants who killed their loved ones!

Repeat cycle…

Yeah If Trump wants to pretend his comments about immigrants are actually about MS 13 he should probably stop taking about all immigrants as if they were MS 13.

You are so lost.......
Sorry kid, but I cannot help you with the search for your missing moral.compass. Perhaps.the search parties trying to find some shattered remnant of Brian Kilmeade's soul will let you know if they spot it.
4  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 06:10:03 PM
Trump: Immigrants are Animals.

US:  That’s a horrible thing to say.

Trump:  I was talking about Immigrants who commit crimes, like MS-13.

Then today…

Trump:  Look at these families that have been permanently separated by immigrants who killed their loved ones!

Repeat cycle…
5  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
The whole obstruction thing is a lie because Schumer met with Trump, and put a package (that included a wall) on the table.  Then Trump's aides killed it because they wanted more hard line measures that restricted legal immigration.  Measures that of course Democrats (and some Republicans) would not agree to.

The wall is the least of it.  Democrats will give him a "wall".  The animating impulse of Trumpism, xenophobic restrictions on immigration from "shithole countries" is what is preventing progress on immigration reform. 

If Trump really thinks he will get more Trumpist people in congress after this election, he's...well, as deluded as we all already think he is.
6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 21, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
WINNING.

You really are little more than a troll here, aren't you?

BTW, China now easing back on sanctions enforcement of North Korea after the "summit" with Trump.

So add some sanctions relief along with the cessation of military exercises to the list of concessions Mr. Kim got out of that meeting, while Trump got...zero.

WINNING!
7  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:00 AM
Obama administration did reprisals against Russia for cyberattacks, gave a stern warning to Vlad at a Chinese summit, and assumed that the next administration would build on that.   It didn't.   Trump was the wimp, not Obama.   And,  as your article notes...

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Instead, Obama officials chose another course of action after becoming frustrated that Republican leaders on Capitol Hill would not endorse a bipartisan statement condemning Russian interference and fearful that any unilateral action by them would feed then candidate Donald Trump’s claims that the election was rigged.     

Again,  plenty of GOP obstruction.



But your 20/20 hindsight is noted.   

The Administration shifted its focus to preventing attacks on State election systems, and so may have prevented a far more direct effort to steal the election for Trump.   

And while the “stern warning” has been mocked this article cites reasons to think it may have worked. Even if Facebook attacks (which Putin probably thought would be harder to trace back to him) ramped up in October.

Overall, I’m not surprised that Obama forgoes the risk of all-out war just before the end of his term and without bipartisan support. That’s typically how this goes with more traditional warfare. The scandal here should be Trump’s total surrender.
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 20, 2018, 07:20:49 PM
Did you read this article about them scotching the Public Transportation bill inNashville?

The Koch Brothers “ scotched” raising taxes for public transportation in Nashville?
ROFL.

You could have just answered "NO" to the original question.
And let a lie live on?

You didn't disprove the "lie" with a response that did not address any of the points made in the article that support it.
Quite the contrary.
The issue went down 66-33 for a number of reasons having nothing to do with  Kochs, some of which I mentioned.

A Koch-backed organization made 42,000 phone calls and knocked on 6,000 doors to lobby against the initiative, using voter data to target that operation provided to them by the Kochs. You didn’t post anything that proves that the effort had “nothing” to do with the result of the vote, nor would you be able to despite your apparent intimate and exhaustive knowledge of Nashville politics.
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 20, 2018, 06:37:21 PM
Huh. Apparently Trump had a choice after all.

Props to those who applied the political pressure to force the retreat.  And to force Trump to take some kind of action before our hapless Republican legislators were forced to try (as flawed as that action is.)

Really, as Lindsay Graham said, all Trump needed to do was make a phone call.  Instead, he made a show of executive action to correct an atrocity that he himself created.

I'm sure Fox News is singing his praises.
10  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 20, 2018, 06:35:02 PM
Did you read this article about them scotching the Public Transportation bill inNashville?

The Koch Brothers “ scotched” raising taxes for public transportation in Nashville?
ROFL.

You could have just answered "NO" to the original question.
And let a lie live on?

You didn't disprove the "lie" with a response that did not address any of the points made in the article that support it.
11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 20, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
Did you read this article about them scotching the Public Transportation bill inNashville?

The Koch Brothers “ scotched” raising taxes for public transportation in Nashville?
ROFL.

You could have just answered "NO" to the original question.
12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 19, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
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This illustrates something crucial about this administration. It is not populated by conservatives. It is populated by anti-liberal trolls. There’s a difference.

I swear I didn't read this before my post yesterday.

I don't agree, though, that inhumane treatment of immigrants is an inevitable endpoint of Statism, or even that it is an aspect of Statism at all.  See Germany, as even Trump would eagerly point out, if only to abuse the example.

And the "conservative" Brooks describes may exist, but not in any meaningful way.  The new conservatism is Trumpism, the GOP all in on the black-and-white absolutism Brooks criticizes.  And this was true before Trump, on immigration and on other issues like taxes, social spending, etc.

Conservatism can't just be an idealized vision made up by any self-described conservative who would like the movement to represent what they see as their own moderated values.  Its a real thing.  They hold conventions.  And they are all-in on Trump.
13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 18, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
Trump flipped Ohio and Florida by over 600,000 votes over Obama in 2012.
Which means in the five states that flipped from Obama totaled near 3/4 of a million votes and
93 Electoral votes.

Clinton did not need to win every state Obama won in 2012 to win the election in 2016.
14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 18, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
The Rev. Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham and a defender of Mr. Trump, called the family separations “disgraceful.”

What is a synonym for "disgraceful?"  Also starts with a D...

15  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 18, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
The Schilling tweet in particular exposes them.  It literally said “Look at the headline.”  Not “Read this article” or “Check out this important story.”  Just read the headline, because my false comparison falls apart in the first paragraph.  And I either know it, or only looked at the headline myself.  And of course kidcarter8 can’t wait to pass it on without vetting it.  

Trump claims that they are separating children from families because of the Democrats.  Even sends his wife out to put a pretty face on that lie.  When the GOP has full power in Washington, when there are even Republicans urging him to stop this enforcement policy, when his chief of staff and attorney general both spoke about zero tolerance enforcement as a deterrent.  They can't stand behind the shitty things they do, only care about assigning blame when it blows up in their faces.  Its about them, never about the people they are hurting.

One side of this argument has ceased arguing in good faith.  They think they can say anything they want, no matter how nonsensical, and they are right.  They can because their followers (people just like kidcarter8 and REDSTATEWARD) have ceased caring about what is right.  It’s all about their team now, and scoring points against the other side.  Government that runs policy by what will “troll the libs” while real human beings suffer.  Some in unimaginably deplorable ways.  There is no going back from here.

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