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1  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 13, 2018, 01:47:35 PM
You've read KidCarter shat out for years.

You actually think that you're going to change his mind? You actually care if he has you on Iggy? What are you? Fucking dumb?

If one is a thinking person, one writes what one writes more for one's self than any other reason. You know this to be true about yourself, if not all others.

If one is not a thinking person then one writes what one writes in order to be that puissant in a gang who lets the big kids do the true fighting but swings his boney fist into the fray just to be able to say that he helped.

Kid is just a provocateur. His opinions mean nothing. He is a part of a shrinking minority that is in the last throes of its insurgency. They had a good run, but it's over. Why the fuck does anyone care what the fuck a fucking fuck head has to fucking say? And that he has put you on Iggy! That would indicate that he finds your thoughts to be a threat to his existence.

I'd see it as a badge of honor if there were any honor at all surrounding KidCarter8's mental processes.

So stop whining about it! Jesus Christ.

well said

You misread.  I was responding on the matter of Kid weighing in on free speech.  To Needs Adj.  I have no complaint whatever.  Just pointing out Kid's hypocrisy in censoring other posters (he also Ignores Facilitatorn).  I can condemn a cheap trick without having any personal need to seek a remedy.

Regarding writing only for oneself.  That's true of some writers and some kinds of writing.  I respect that, and it's a fine way to sharpen and clarify one's thinking.  But, when I reply to someone's posting, I am communicating with them.  And I did waste several posts on Carter before I was informed that he had Iggy'd me.  If other readers got anything out of those posts, great.  If not, I'm okay with it.

I will say, in the interests of basic fairness, that Kid should be shown my original post to which you were replying.  Seeing only your reply is not really cricket.  Know what I mean?

What's amusing to me is that he professes to ignore me, and happily censor me, but when you responded to my post he read it and had to chime in.  When someone acts like a prick, one does well to find some laughs in it.  If you reply to this, kindly his "QUOTE" button and keep the quotes intact, if that's not too much trouble.



Barton,

Why?

even KidCarter8 agreed that he is a fucking fuckhead with no honor around his mental processes whatsoever.

And the whole Iggy thing. If I want to read Bankshot, I can un iggy him for the second, then re iggy him and he'll be none the wiser. I don't, usually. But the option is there and it does make it easier not to respond to what was said.

I iggy Bambu because there is no there, there. I don't find him entertaining.

Tony has been on my iggy, the thing with the white man's burden, Tony V is an unknowing flat out BIGOT. I don't think he intends to be, it's just that his grandfather told him these things and he lives his thoughts according to those "truths" that have been with him since childhood (which has been his whole life. He has many endearing qualities and adulthood has escaped his grasp.)

Two people have had me on their lists since forever. I suspect they are Josh[Evvie] and Rembee (whatever his name is now). It's OK. I know that I have sinned. I'm not proud of every word I have typed out here. If everybody liked me, it would be indicative of my own failure (IMO).

Did I misread you? I don't know, maybe I did. Maybe I read between lines of oration, I can't repeat what was told me. Not intentionally, did I misread. Nor do I think I did. I knew what you were saying. But I wasn't joining in on the discussion, I was commenting on the meta of the discussion itself.

I'll shut up now.

PLAU
IM
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 13, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
You've read KidCarter shat out for years.

You actually think that you're going to change his mind? You actually care if he has you on Iggy? What are you? Fucking dumb?

If one is a thinking person, one writes what one writes more for one's self than any other reason. You know this to be true about yourself, if not all others.

If one is not a thinking person then one writes what one writes in order to be that puissant in a gang who lets the big kids do the true fighting but swings his boney fist into the fray just to be able to say that he helped.

Kid is just a provocateur. His opinions mean nothing. He is a part of a shrinking minority that is in the last throes of its insurgency. They had a good run, but it's over. Why the fuck does anyone care what the fuck a fucking fuck head has to fucking say? And that he has put you on Iggy! That would indicate that he finds your thoughts to be a threat to his existence.

I'd see it as a badge of honor if there were any honor at all surrounding KidCarter8's mental processes.

So stop whining about it! Jesus Christ.
3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 12, 2018, 03:02:05 PM

The funny thing is that the crowds at Stormy's barnstorming, are more than likely Trump supporters who can now say they motorboated the same knockers that Tiny hands Trump pawed at.
4  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 12, 2018, 03:00:26 PM
I love it!

Trey Gowdy's opening remarks

"We live in a 50/50 country {not at all true, but not the issue I'm on} and we accept that {yeah, right, sure you do, lie two} and a 100% comp... country when it comes to having law enforcement that doesn't prejudge innocence before the investigation is over {Presumption of innocence is the bedrock of our judicial system but that's just more lies as told by Trey "You're guilty! BENGHAZI!!" Gowdy." Who is also Trey "You haven't proved Trump is guilty so STOP investigating!" Gowdy} And doesn't prejudge guilt and punishment before an investigation even begins" {More Irony than in all the Chinese Laundries in the entire world.}

That's the part I love. Because I KNOW there is a LONG LIST of people Accused, Tried, Convicted and shot fucking DEAD by Law Enforcement in this country. In the space of seconds!

It's not as if Trey Gowdy can sink lower than the snake's pecker that he already is. But it's not for lack of trying!
5  Arts / Television / Re: Television on: July 12, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
Perhaps even a Marie, or Skyler! Or Walt Jr..

Hey, you did a great job, being a character NOBODY liked.
6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 11, 2018, 11:04:07 AM
 The United States Of America The Unified Republic of Republicanistan

Make America a 3rd World Republic again.
7  Arts / Television / Re: Television on: July 10, 2018, 11:01:06 PM
I agree,that he did. But I don't see this as the part he thought it would turn out to be. I think he was hoping to be a Gus Fring, or a Mike Ermentraut or a Hank. Or a Jesse.  He would up being a Skinny Pete + Badger.
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 10, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
The only things that Bambu knows about the United States are what Fox News and various white-supremacist websites "teach" him. Putting aside the issue of his never having been here (I know it's expensive to come here, but fortunately some of his friends have come!!), he's clearly never read the Constitution or even a decent history of the U.S. What we're left with is a cranky bigot who thinks the President is a wise man.

Fox News knows all, teaches/shows/reports all.
Mostly, the Leftists don't like it.

KKK rally ['no hoods'], Georgia, shown on my tv;

"White power"! they were shouting.

Black folks were shouting "Black power"!

KKK [those robes look ridiculous] members were ranting against immigration mainly.

Jeff Jones, their leader, said "It's getting harder and harder to get a job in this country".
Seems to be.
...as 'all' the jobs are allowed to be sent offshore, or labor hire companies employing only immigrants at cheap rates are allowed to operate.

Can't see anyone else much in America standing up for the rights and liberties of White people, besides the KKK.
Sad situation really.

How the FUCK is it harder and harder to get a job in America if the unemployment rolls keep going down and down? New hires are going up and up. You're the dumb cock sucker in center of the circle jerk if you believe this shit.
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 10, 2018, 02:28:38 PM

I might be against a lot of things that our government has done, but I still love America, and I love what America stands for, and even though our country has done some bad things our country has also done many good things. As we the people are the guiding force in the USA, we must guide our nation in good ways, the people are the power in the USA, and we the people need to use our power in good ways.


'We the People' with the power voted for Trump to be President.
He loves America, and is 'making it great again', as best he can.

He too loves what America stands for, and hates people who disrespect its anthem and flag.

America is built on the law, not anthems and  flags.

Botany Bay bimbo.

I say it's built on the law...and the anthem and flag.

Trouble is today, there are other flags being waved in America by immigrants, their flags.
Oh assimilation, wherefore art thou?

Obviously trump wants the US flag respected and waved as the supreme flag in the nation.
Ditto the anthem.
{Emph.Mine}

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

It the power that corrupts. Therefore you should always be circumspect of what power you assign where.

If it's OK with you, I would rather my flag NOT be corrupted by the power invested in it. Give it power of an Absolute, and it will be absolutely corrupted.



If what's going on today in America isn't changed, you won't even have a flag [well it'll still exist, but won't be seen/waved very often, but rather 'replaced by the flags of others'].



As evidenced by what? When has that ever happened? Were you the first born, but your parents liked your younger brother better?

For most people who have grown to adulthood. The American flag is just cloth. It represents an ideal that includes inclusion. It represents a tradition of a system of laws tempered by a system of common sense. That's why we have jury trials. That's why we have democracy. That's why the rest of the world followed our lead and threw off the religion of Monarchy.

That is what is in peril in America. we have a fringe minority in this nation that is an invasive cancer on our national soul. They are precipitously close to the edge of tyranny and gleefully pushing.

If their America is the America that the US becomes, then the flag won't be representative of the glorious nation that was. It will be perverted to be the symbol of dystopia through ignorance.

The comments are interesting;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcCudotri0E

The problem with becoming more and more diverse is that different ethnic groups will demand different things that benefit their own people. You can already see this in California with undocumented Hispanic gangs and immigrants wanting more power, sanctuary cities, etc.. I fear with the rising Hispanic and Asian population and the decreasing white population we will essentially become what the Balkans once was in the 20th century, a salad bowl of different ethnic groups vying for power.

____

Refusing to learn english has cost our schools and governments billions. It's not something to say proudly.

____

How exactly is this a positive? It seems like neo-colonialism to me. A new language and culture uprooting the old.

Can anyone explain why this is a good, or progressive thing? What happens to the white, English speaking population when they are a minority in their own land?


I'm not going to your link. PERIOD.

The comments are speculation from ill informed loudmouths. They carry zero credibility. regardless of how interesting you think they are.

"What will happen to us when we become a minority?" Well, maybe if you stopped stomping on minorities, then when you are in a minority, nobody will stomp on you.

This is just more of the "Blame the victim" mentality that has grown like a kudzu in the brains of the ones too lazy to rip it out by its roots. The Republican Congress refuses to negotiate with Obama and then says "Oooh, he's no leader, he couldn't get us to agree to even talk with him." Up to Sarah Plain and Plain old ugly, a Sander would have helped that face, calling for the Whammbulance when she was asked to take her business elsewhere. You insult America and then you blame America for feeling insulted, bitch.

"Gee these Mexicans just won't stop being Mexican, no matter how hard we make it on them."

It's been the same bullshit since Thomas Moore wrote Utopia over 500 years ago.
10  Arts / Television / Re: Television on: July 09, 2018, 02:46:15 PM
Saw the Lantern episode.  (finale of season 3)  OMG.

RIP Chuck McGill. 



He was a sick bastard. He will not be missed. I guess it turned out to be an unfortunate choice for Mr. McKean. I think his character arc was long on the downhill side and didn't paint Chuck in a sympathetic light at all.
11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 09, 2018, 09:30:38 AM
The only things that Bambu knows about the United States are what Fox News and various white-supremacist websites "teach" him. Putting aside the issue of his never having been here (I know it's expensive to come here, but fortunately some of his friends have come!!), he's clearly never read the Constitution or even a decent history of the U.S. What we're left with is a cranky bigot who thinks the President is a wise man.

Yes. I'm familiar with his work.

There is a certain puzzle quality about him. Is there a news item that can be made simple enough that the evidence of the right's illogic can be showed at a base intelligence level?

The left has to try to find the way to connect with the lowest common denominator. The work the left does is in favor of them, and they hate us for it. Because the right has embraced the bottom and there's Trump telling them that they're "the elite."

The (as if there is just one) problem with the left is that we never shave. We never make things simple, we always compete with each other to make things more "intelligent." We're always in competition to be the smartest guy in the room. While on the right, they have decided who is the smartest guy in the room before they get there, and whatever that guy says is the smartest thing that shall be said, and if you're smart, you'll find a way to agree with what that guy said (even, or especially if you know it is batcracker bushwa! "Build a Wall!" through the Rio Grande? Great idea, can't miss!) Meanwhile we're debating on the minutia of a Health Care system with each side making it more complex than the other side's plan.

Anyway, that's what I tried to do with that issue and Bambu. I tried to find the irrefutable argument. Every parent knows that even if your younger children are star quality, you still love your first child in a way that none of the others could ever replace. 
12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 09, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
Sorry, got into work an hour early and am perusing the headlines for Lee Newspapers. They have local editions across "flyover country"  and in markets that still have hard copy newspapers as well as an internet presence. As such I find it interesting how the editorial boards are responding. Given that their readers were/are/were/areish Trump supporters.

Quote from:  St Louis Post- Dispatch Editorial
 

Editorial: Negative impact of Trump's trade policy is hitting home locally

 
Thu Jul 05 09:31:07 2018 EDT

President  Donald Trump's  ill-advised trade war with  Europe ,  Mexico ,  Canada  and  China  continues to inflict a heavy local toll. Pork producers and soybean farmers are reeling under counter-tariffs imposed by  China . A  Poplar Bluff  nail factory warns it is on "the brink of extinction." Now the all-American brand, Harley- Davidson , is having to move to more business-friendly climes abroad.
Harley- Davidson  has long planned to close its  Kansas City  production plant to make way for overseas production in  Thailand . That decision followed Trump's announcement shortly after taking office in 2017 that he would withdraw  the United States  from the  Trans-Pacific Partnership  trade agreement.

 U.S.  sales have been declining steadily for years while Harley's overseas markets continue to grow. Not all  U.S.  products appeal to overseas buyers, but a big, rumbling "Hog" conveys a distinctly American image of freewheeling adventure and rebellion that Asian and European customers love. But Trump's closed-door trade model got in the way. In  Kansas City , 260 Harley employees will pay the price.

Harley announced last week that it would move some of its production to  Europe , the company's second-biggest market, specifically to avoid the punishing 31 percent tariffs imposed by  Europe  in retaliation for  U.S.  tariffs on European steel and aluminum. Those tariffs would add  $2,200  to the price of each Harley motorcycle sold there.

This trade crisis was manufactured by Trump and never had to happen. He has mischaracterized the causes of trade imbalances and exaggerated the so-called exploitation of American goodwill by foreign governments. Instead of using facts, he concocts images of predators and enemies as a way of rallying his blue-collar base so they'll believe he's on their side.

He's not. Trump's administration has worked to undermine the health care system and social-services network that helps working-class families survive. He weakens unions and fights measures designed to boost wages for those at the bottom of pay scales.

He's on Trump's side only.

Recall the effusive praise Trump offered at the  White House  when Harley- Davidson  executives visited — along with their motorcycles — barely two weeks after the inauguration. "What a great, great group of people and what a fantastic job you do ... ," Trump told them. "Harley- Davidson  is a true American icon, one of the greats."

Trump now offers nothing but vitriol after Harley executives said they couldn't sustain the financial impact of his tariffs. Trump treated it as a personal betrayal and threatened the company with big taxes if foreign-made Harley-Davidsons entered the U.S. market (something Harley says it never planned to do).

Trump can only play the blame game for so long before the nation's farmers and blue-collar workers start asking why his trade policies are harming their livelihoods. If they don't like what they see, the November elections would be a good time to send him a message.

This editorial first appeared in the  St. Louis Post-Dispatch .
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OTOH, To put myself in their situation. If I had a POTUS that was doing stuff I didn't like (Like say for example attacking the press as Obama did, which he did - although I am hazy on the details, but I do remember being horrified that he was, IMHO, throttling was it WaPo(?) I forget.) but was at the same time doing things I did like, like picking on people less powerful than I, which justified my scapegoating of them ala this woman (caution: NSFW, she uses the ephwurd quite rightwingedly) . Would I do what I considered was my patriotic duty and vote against my economic/principles self interests and vote to re-elect/support the incumbent anyway?

The Republican base has a long and very stupid history of voting against their economic self interests nearly every time they flick a switch in a voting booth. So why should be justified in hoping they'll do differently this time? They voted for the people that gutted unions while unions were the very vehicle that brought us such a thing as the middle class. They vote for a bigger and bigger military industrial complex even as the money for education and infrastructure gets siphoned fire hose pumped into the defense dept..

That's why I don't like talking here anymore. It's just too depressing.

The other day I was having a conversation with a Detroiter, one who had just mentioned how polluted Lake Michigan is. I asked what he thought about the inevitability of the world demanding some of that fresh water. His response was a vociferous NO Ephin way! (This guy considers himself to be an enlightened leftist.) I'm sorry that I don't have the exact quote, but at one point he basically said, what translated into "They say what I'm thinking." and it struck me that it was time to change the subject if I wanted to continue having pleasant conversations with my beach neighbor (I don't come here to harbor/nurture grudges. I try to tiptoe the two twolips of people speaking out of both sides of their mouths. That way I can harbor a sense of superiority which I can then add to with my observational biases. It's good for the ego, if not the soul.). 

Back to the news.

PLAU
Itz ME! 
13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 09, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
  
Quote from: Lee newspapers

ERIN MURPHY: More good news for Democrats in voter numbers

 
Sat Jul 07 13:59:10 2018 EDT

Is it more evidence of a blue wave building off  Iowa's  shores?

 Iowa   Democrats  have added more than 24,000 registered voters to their ranks and closed the gap on their Republican counterparts, says  Iowa  Secretary of State reports.

One cannot predict whether the  Democrats'  bump, which came after  Iowa's  primary elections in June, portends a similar bump in support in this fall's general election, experts say. At the very least, however, it's the type of news that's better that no news at all for  Iowa  Democrats.

"It's better to post an increase than not," said  Dennis Goldford , a political science professor at  Drake University . "But it's still no guarantee of what's going to happen on  Election Day ."

The number of active registered Democratic voters in  Iowa  jumped by 24,190 from June to July. That represents a 4.1 percent increase.

The jump came after the  June 5  primary election.

 Iowa   Democrats  also significantly outgained  Republicans , who added just 3,478 voters in the same span. That enabled  Democrats  to cut nearly in half the gap between active registered  Democrats  and  Republicans  in  Iowa : the gap shrunk by more than 20,700 registered voters.

The  GOP  still has 24,438 more registered voters.

A few factors likely were at play.

-Democratic enthusiasm: Democratic voters have been fired up since the 2016 election gave  Republicans  complete lawmaking control at the federal level and in  Iowa .

-Contested primaries:  Iowa  Democrats had contested and high-profile primary elections for governor and in the state's two most partisan-balanced Congressional districts. There were no such primary races for  Republicans , whose headliner primary was for state agriculture secretary.

It is now the job of  Democrats  and liberal organizations to remain in contact with those newly registered voters, sustain their interest and ensure they vote in this fall's election. There is no guarantee they will vote, even though they are registered. And  Democrats  know their voters typically turn out worse in non-presidential elections.

As a cautionary tale, Goldford noted that in  November 2010 ,  Iowa  Democrats had 44,601 more registered voters. Despite that advantage,  Democrats  lost the governor's race and control of the  Iowa House.

Also noteworthy in the latest  Iowa  voter registration numbers is the significant drop in no-party voters, the state's largest bloc. No-party voters fell by more than 23,000 from June to July.

No-party voters turn out even worse than  Democrats  in midterm elections, Goldford said. And of them, only roughly a third are true no-party voters; a third vote like  Republicans  and a third vote like  Democrats , Goldford said.

So while the new voter registration numbers brought good news for  Iowa  Democrats, and for  Democrats  that is better than the alternative, the crystal ball for November's midterm election remains cloudy.

 Erin Murphy  covers  Iowa  politics and government for  Lee Enterprises . His email address is [email protected]. Follow him on Twitter at @ErinDMurphy.
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Iowa!

Yes, Warren Buffet did just contract with Lee to run the operations of his newspapers. Maybe... who knows? Wouldn't be the first time such rumor circulated. But that doesn't negate the fact that the Dems are out growing the Reps in Iowa.

Not to say that I don't trust the Reps to find a way to get them all taken off the voter rolls by November. Maybe they'll just have a computer glitch that got them all registered in the wrong precincts and Eastern Iowa registrants have to go to south western Iowa to cast a ballot.
14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 09, 2018, 07:54:14 AM

I might be against a lot of things that our government has done, but I still love America, and I love what America stands for, and even though our country has done some bad things our country has also done many good things. As we the people are the guiding force in the USA, we must guide our nation in good ways, the people are the power in the USA, and we the people need to use our power in good ways.


'We the People' with the power voted for Trump to be President.
He loves America, and is 'making it great again', as best he can.

He too loves what America stands for, and hates people who disrespect its anthem and flag.

America is built on the law, not anthems and  flags.

Botany Bay bimbo.

I say it's built on the law...and the anthem and flag.

Trouble is today, there are other flags being waved in America by immigrants, their flags.
Oh assimilation, wherefore art thou?

Obviously trump wants the US flag respected and waved as the supreme flag in the nation.
Ditto the anthem.
{Emph.Mine}

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

It the power that corrupts. Therefore you should always be circumspect of what power you assign where.

If it's OK with you, I would rather my flag NOT be corrupted by the power invested in it. Give it power of an Absolute, and it will be absolutely corrupted.



If what's going on today in America isn't changed, you won't even have a flag [well it'll still exist, but won't be seen/waved very often, but rather 'replaced by the flags of others'].



As evidenced by what? When has that ever happened? Were you the first born, but your parents liked your younger brother better?

For most people who have grown to adulthood. The American flag is just cloth. It represents an ideal that includes inclusion. It represents a tradition of a system of laws tempered by a system of common sense. That's why we have jury trials. That's why we have democracy. That's why the rest of the world followed our lead and threw off the religion of Monarchy.

That is what is in peril in America. we have a fringe minority in this nation that is an invasive cancer on our national soul. They are precipitously close to the edge of tyranny and gleefully pushing.

If their America is the America that the US becomes, then the flag won't be representative of the glorious nation that was. It will be perverted to be the symbol of dystopia through ignorance.
15  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: July 07, 2018, 10:07:43 PM

I might be against a lot of things that our government has done, but I still love America, and I love what America stands for, and even though our country has done some bad things our country has also done many good things. As we the people are the guiding force in the USA, we must guide our nation in good ways, the people are the power in the USA, and we the people need to use our power in good ways.


'We the People' with the power voted for Trump to be President.
He loves America, and is 'making it great again', as best he can.

He too loves what America stands for, and hates people who disrespect its anthem and flag.

America is built on the law, not anthems and  flags.

Botany Bay bimbo.

I say it's built on the law...and the anthem and flag.

Trouble is today, there are other flags being waved in America by immigrants, their flags.
Oh assimilation, wherefore art thou?

Obviously trump wants the US flag respected and waved as the supreme flag in the nation.
Ditto the anthem.
{Emph.Mine}

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

It the power that corrupts. Therefore you should always be circumspect of what power you assign where.

If it's OK with you, I would rather my flag NOT be corrupted by the power invested in it. Give it power of an Absolute, and it will be absolutely corrupted.

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