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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 01:26:01 PM »
I watched an episode of a show on DVR and when it was over he was still talking and having a conversation with a credentialed ‘journalist’ from OAN.


That's the problem.  Like Mika, you refuse to watch and are thus not fully informed.

https://twitter.com/drrobdavidson/status/1240248499779833856?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1HO1BfxfsKm7F361gutjf_xeBuu5k6H1X3LfST82808siLOrYPv-rMrZ8

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Worked last night, and still can’t test those who should be tested.

@realDonaldTrump  is taking a victory lap in the middle of this crisis, meanwhile on the front lines we are preparing to mange this crisis without the resources we need. #StayHome

As opposed to you, Kid?

You watch, but only believe what fake people like Trump and Dr. Oz tell you.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:59:31 AM »
Another example of why blaming the GOP's other elected officials is appropriate:

https://www.axios.com/richard-burr-coronavirus-spanish-flu-pandemic-a2ac929a-4101-4c75-a863-14d8c7644dd9.html

He isn't working for the American people. He isn't working for the rank and file of the GOP. He's working for "a small group of well-connected individuals."

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The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.

The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.

On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting the virus could be seasonal.

"It's going to disappear. One day, It's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."

On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

"There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," he said, according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR. "It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."

The luncheon had been organized by the Tar Heel Circle, a nonpartisan group whose membership consists of businesses and organizations in North Carolina, the state Burr represents. Membership to join the Tar Heel Circle costs between $500 and $10,000, and promises that members "enjoy interaction with top leaders and staff from Congress, the administration, and the private sector," according to the group's website.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:25:52 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/elections-have-consequences-slow-response-virus-is-one-them/?fbclid=IwAR1DbPEipT07yQmd3VsUy0Z-r_p3DxfyfW3g9K_kEotOnGYlcJhpoKI1zEA

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Stuart Stevens is a writer and Republican political consultant who has advised a pro-Bill Weld super PAC in the 2020 election. His book about the Republican Party, “It Was All A Lie,” will be published next month.

Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better.

But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way.

Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done.

The failures of the government’s response to the coronavirus crisis can be traced directly to some of the toxic fantasies now dear to the Republican Party. Here are a few: Government is bad. Establishment experts are overrated or just plain wrong. Science is suspect. And we can go it alone, the world be damned.

All of these are wrong, of course. But we didn’t get here overnight. It took practice.

Long before Trump, the Republican Party adopted as a key article of faith that more government was bad. We worked overtime to squeeze it and shrink it, to drown it in the bathtub, as anti-tax activist Grover Norquist liked to say. But somewhere along the way, it became, “all government is bad.” Now we are in a crisis that can be solved only by massive government intervention. That’s awkward.

It continues in that vein.

So, you're right, Kid - we should blame folks other than Trump.

We should blame YOU.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:23:38 AM »

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:02:09 AM »
".....6-8 weeks - we should be through the worst of it"


-  Doctor Mehmet Oz

And this is a part of why your posts are met with hostility.

Dr. Oz is to medicine what Dr. Phil is to psychology.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-dr-oz-claims-fact-check-bmj-20141219-story.html
Real doctors fact check Dr. Oz. The results are not pretty.

You'd do better to put your faith in Gil Fulbright's political career.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 19, 2020, 12:54:05 AM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/list-trumps-43-virus-moves-aims-for-south-koreas-99-3-recovery-rate

It's a lovely notion.

Really. Lovely.

We'd need to get 12685 more cases with 0 more deaths.

Currently we have 155 deaths. We have 108 recoveries!

Goals are nice. Pie in the sky goals are... not comforting. I would like us to start with something reasonable like "we would like to reduce the new cases per day by 50% in the next two weeks."

We need to get our new cases down below 2% per day - we need to get Texas and  Nevada's new case percentage down, in particular. Then we can talk about the recovery rate, maybe. Otherwise the ration of deaths to recoveries has a good chance of continuing to be greater than 1.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:38:15 PM »
He is also full of shit when he says that Trump is "on it."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-says-hospital-ships-heading-coronavirus-battle-navy-says-they-n1163081?fbclid=IwAR32dXpU6ruYsrbM8BwOmmJNWHiY0acSJiLRjBuFaDesZgQ-GL5yuN95pZk

Trump says they are headed to new stations... they aren't even ready to move.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:37:14 PM »
So mankind has to survive as best it can for about a year until vaccine is made?

Yes - until then the use of anti-virals including some being used to combat cancers will surely be beneficial.

No.

Do NOT take Kid's advice on this stuff. He is full of shit.

Moderator Voice: Kid, shut up and don't try to give medical advice here.

heh

No, I was right.

"will surely be beneficial" suggests it is something that we can do now.

We cannot do it now.

And we (they --> the scientists) are not sure.

Do not take Kid's medical advice. He remains full of shit. He just cannot bring himself to admit it.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:14:35 PM »
"I feel the Covid-19 scare is politically motivated," Spell told CNN. He estimated his church hosted about 300 people for Tuesday's service.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/louisiana-pastor-coronavirus/index.html

Why does he feel that way? Because Trump and Fox News have sold him a bill of goods.

They're planning to bus in 600 children soon for meals.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 18, 2020, 10:44:23 PM »
And another "compassionate Conservative" is heard from:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/analysis/2020/03/18/coronavirus-sen-ron-johnson-says-keep-outbreak-perspective/5074145002/?fbclid=IwAR2gFXMZ87S9BnsQ8uDivht22B70PLxR_Y963_45bR0Ke5SN_OX_13NFing

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epublican Ron Johnson of Wisconsin raised some eyebrows last week when he was quoted in The New York Times suggesting the media was devoting too little attention to the high rate of survival among people with coronavirus.   

“Right now, all people are hearing about are the deaths. I’m sure the deaths are horrific, but the flip side of this is the vast majority of people who get coronavirus do survive,” said Johnson, chairman of the Senate's Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. 

Johnson did not shy away from that kind of calculus in an interview with me Tuesday.

“I’m not denying what a nasty disease COVID-19 can be, and how it’s obviously devastating to somewhere between 1 and 3.4 percent of the population,” he said.

“But that means 97 to 99 percent will get through this and develop immunities and will be able to move beyond this. But we don’t shut down our economy because tens of thousands of people die on the highways. It’s a risk we accept so we can move about. We don’t shut down our economies because tens of thousands of people die from the common flu,” Johnson said.

Johnson acknowledged that coronavirus has a far higher fatality rate than the seasonal flu, but said, “getting coronavirus is not a death sentence except for maybe no more than 3.4 percent of our population (and) I think probably far less,” he said.

Johnson’s comments on this issue —  “People do need to recognize the fact that this is not Ebola. It's not MERS” — are drawing some fire. Wisconsin Democrats have accused him of “playing down” the virus, which he denies.

I want to include the full context of his comments from my phone interview with him Tuesday (when he spoke from his mostly empty Senate office in Washington), so people can interpret them for themselves.     

Is Johnson saying that we’re going “too far” in trying to contain coronavirus?

“No. I don’t want to say that. I really don’t want to say that. It may be exactly what we need to do. But again, what I do want to do is put this all in perspective as we move forward here,” he said.

Aren’t the things that are hurting the economy also the policies and behaviors that are aimed at containing the virus?

“Yes,” he said. “Again, I’m not saying we’re overreacting … people need to take this seriously.”

Does he support what states are doing to limit social gatherings and promote social distancing?

“I‘m saying, ‘follow the guidelines’ ... I’m not being critical of the governors that are closing things down. … I understand it completely.  I’m just saying I am hopeful we ... can, in the end, put this all in perspective and we can get the economy back on track as soon as possible.”


Johnson disputed the idea that he is minimizing the crisis, saying he is just considering the potential costs of overreacting.

“I’m hoping when all is said and done, maybe we have overreacted. But the fact that we’re acting the way we are, I think, will really increase our chances of dropping that growth curve of this (virus). So, again, I’m not being critical of what people are doing. But we also need to really understand the costs of potentially going too far here,” he said. “But nobody knows what too far is, which is what’s so difficult about the situation.”

Johnson’s overall argument seemed to be that people aren’t paying enough attention to two sides of the coronavirus equation: that most people who have it will be OK (and not die), and that the damage being done to the economy in the meantime is massive and possibly excessive.

“We need hospitals to operate. We need grocery stores. We need distribution. We need manufacturers. We need, obviously, the people that manufacture drugs. We need our economy to continue to function. We can’t all just shut ourselves and stay home. The economy has to move forward. And again, a rational reaction to this would recognize the fact that the vast majority of people that get coronavirus will survive without much worse symptoms than a cold or a normal flu.”

What is the message here? There's a suggestion in some of these comments that the country is somehow overreacting, but Johnson says he isn't saying that. Johnson says he supports the kinds of prohibitions, cancellations and closures that are underway, but also says “it’s probably not worth shutting our economy down” over coronavirus.

“There are so many unknowns. We are all cautioning on the side of safety, which at this point of time is not a bad thing. But again, we’re are paying a huge cost for this caution we’re taking. I’m just trying to look at this very realistically,” he said.

When I told him that a lot of people will hear “getting coronavirus is not a death sentence except for maybe no more than 3.4 percent of our population” as akin to saying, “It’s not that bad,” he insisted he wasn’t saying that.

“I’m having as candid and realistic a conversation with you as I possibly can,” he said.

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Previous Administration / Re: Trump Administration
« on: March 18, 2020, 10:11:43 PM »
Anti-virals seem to be coming to the forefront to stem the tide pre-vaccine. 

I posted on this a couple days back and was met with hostility.

I have no idea what you posted or didn't post, Kid, and as ever you provide no evidence of having done anything.

But your posts are greeted with hostility because you ooze claims of knowledge without supporting your claims and your claims are seldom supported by any external reality.

There are 5 antiviral treatments being discussed publicly. Only one of them even pretends to have been through a clinical study and that paper has not yet been released. No idea how many are not yet in the public eye, but I am sure there are more.

We can hope that one or more is successful, while also hoping there are no unpleasant surprises or side effects.

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