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1  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: Today at 02:46:38 AM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/brief/212727/bryan-stevenson

Our criminal "justice" system has endemic racist throughout it, as suggested by the beginning of this video, along with many other examples.
2  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: Today at 12:18:29 AM
---Shifting Dollars From Poor to Rich Is a Key Part of the Senate Health Bill---

New York Times

When will it end? The trickle down as well as being unfair destroys the economy. Quite the mess.

But they win because they keep white folks afraid of brown people.
Always the racists

Yes, exactly.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aclu-call-video-minnesota-arrest-textbook-case-excessive-force-n775821

And your inistence that you are not one wears thinner and thinner the more you defend the indefensible and deny that there is a racist component to the GOP's actions and within our police departments.
Please explain.
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Nor is your pretence that you don't deny it, while refusing to admit it, at all a mitigating factor. Instead, it is like your facts about the killers of police being mostly criminals - unrelated to the claims you make, but waved wildly by you as if it were evidence that supports your contention.
Please understand that disagreeing with you is hardly proof of racism on my part.

The GOP actively seeks to prevent Black voters from being able to vote. This has been proven in multiple courts of law at this point. It is not a matter of conjecture, liberal delusion, or 'merely' trying to block democrats from voting.

You cannot bring yourself to admit to us that this is true.

Regardless of why you cannot, you cannot.
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Police throughout the country engage in profiling by race in ways that the crime patterns do not support statistically, as demonstrated by what the police have found when they have done so. (See for example, "Stop and Frisk.") They acost Blacks, whether adults or teens or preteens in ways that are different than the ways in which they deal with Whites.

You continue to try to excuse their behavior through half-truths and irrelevant data, refusing to admit the truth or even to admit that there is an argument worth considering other than your side's.

You cannot bring yourself to admit that there is a problem regarding race within our police departments.

Again, the why is irrelevant. You can't, don't, and won't admit it.
*****

Your being a racist is not even slightly contingent upon your agreeing with me.

It is contingent upon your ongoing support of racists and racist policies and your defense of the indefensible.
3  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 11:40:11 PM
---Shifting Dollars From Poor to Rich Is a Key Part of the Senate Health Bill---

New York Times

When will it end? The trickle down as well as being unfair destroys the economy. Quite the mess.

But they win because they keep white folks afraid of brown people.
Always the racists

Yes, exactly.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aclu-call-video-minnesota-arrest-textbook-case-excessive-force-n775821

And your inistence that you are not one wears thinner and thinner the more you defend the indefensible and deny that there is a racist component to the GOP's actions and within our police departments.

Nor is your pretence that you don't deny it, while refusing to admit it, at all a mitigating factor. Instead, it is like your facts about the killers of police being mostly criminals - unrelated to the claims you make, but waved wildly by you as if it were evidence that supports your contention.
4  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 09:31:40 PM
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/body-camera-children-held-gunpoint

Laughing Boy, this is an example of why your list of how to stay out of trouble is worthless.

This one is from 3+ years ago, but illustrates it as well.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/12/three_black_students_arrested_while_waiting_for_school_bus_in_rochester.html

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A police officer asked the group of about a dozen players to disperse. When they refused and explained they were waiting for a school bus, the officer arrested three of them.

The three boys arrested were Raliek Redd, Wan'Tauhjs Weathers and Daequon Carelock.

"We tried to tell him we was waiting for the bus," Redd said. "And he didn't care. He arrested us anyways."

According to WROC, the police report claims the boys were:
"Blocking pedestrian traffic while standing on a public sidewalk...preventing free passage of citizens walking by and attempting to enter and exit a store...Your complainant gave several lawful clear and concise orders for the group to disperse and leave the area without complaince [sic]."
When Coach Scott arrived and questioned the officer, the officer threatened to arrest him as well.

"He goes on to say, 'Listen, if you don't disperse, you're going to get booked as well,'" Scott told WHEC in Rochester. "I said sir, I'm the adult. I'm their varsity basketball coach. How can you book me? What have I done wrong?"





5  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/22/1603134/-Obvious-Observations-We-Obviously-Take-For-Granted
6  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 09:18:30 PM
And my point has been that this "exception" is what reasonably keeps Knick up at night.
Well at least you now admit it is an exception.  I would argue it is a mighty big one.


https://mic.com/articles/180505/trevor-noah-says-hes-been-stopped-by-police-8-to-10-times-in-his-6-years-in-the-us#.51CT0UBvy


Noah was talking to the audience about the 2016 killing of Philando Castile. On Friday, Officer Jeronimo Yanez was found not guilty of second-degree manslaughter for fatally shooting Castile. Noah discussed the verdict on his show Monday, asking, "How does a black person not get shot in America?"

"The bar is always moving," Noah said Monday. "The goal posts are always shifting. There's always a different thing that explains why a person got shot."




   


Gee, I know a ton of black friends who could help Noah with that question.  

Yeah? Just what would they tell him?
Stay away from trouble areas
Choose friends you can count on to do the right thing. Build a positive resume of accomplishments.
Work hard, study hard.

And pray that you are lucky, because that is just not enough.

No matter how much you want to believe it.

Here is the problem. Red is busting his ass to assert nothing bad happens to black folks who don't deserve it.

Ut hates his life so therefore I can't describe the hurdles I jump that aren't in his way because he thinks I'm looking for sympathy or an unfair advantage. Yeah, and he has the nerve to clap back at Kid and Red and call me a bigot because I laugh at him instead of kissing his ass. That's true with a lot of so called Progressives.

If I have to jump six feet and you only need to jump two, that is white privilege. It isn't the fault of any individual it is baked into the system and if you dispute that you don't know shit about the history of the western world.




So why are you a democrat?

Because Democrats won't do anything FOR me but Republicans want to do things TO me, get it?
They say so when they run for office. Why do you think folks in red areas run by GOP are some of the most poverty stricken and dysfunctional yet still vote against their own omic interest?
Because they aren't.And don't
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You talk about the "urban areas" without a hint of irony but why do you think they're self medicating with opioids out there in the burbs, exurbs and rural?
Change the subject much?
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We joke about this but there is a touch of truth in it; "White folks would vote against oxygen if they thought they stop black folks from breathing "free air."
Who is the real bigot here?

You.

Glad you asked.
7  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
http://time.com/4829103/mitch-mcconnell-protest-senate-health-care-bill/

dragging disabled protesters away from outside McConnell's office.
8  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 07:03:27 PM
And my point has been that this "exception" is what reasonably keeps Knick up at night.
Well at least you now admit it is an exception.  I would argue it is a mighty big one.


https://mic.com/articles/180505/trevor-noah-says-hes-been-stopped-by-police-8-to-10-times-in-his-6-years-in-the-us#.51CT0UBvy


Noah was talking to the audience about the 2016 killing of Philando Castile. On Friday, Officer Jeronimo Yanez was found not guilty of second-degree manslaughter for fatally shooting Castile. Noah discussed the verdict on his show Monday, asking, "How does a black person not get shot in America?"

"The bar is always moving," Noah said Monday. "The goal posts are always shifting. There's always a different thing that explains why a person got shot."




   


Gee, I know a ton of black friends who could help Noah with that question. 

Yeah? Just what would they tell him?
Stay away from trouble areas
Choose friends you can count on to do the right thing. Build a positive resume of accomplishments.
Work hard, study hard.

And pray that you are lucky, because that is just not enough.

No matter how much you want to believe it.
9  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
http://hill.cm/f0ZdZeR

SCOTUS restricts the government's ability to revoke citizenship.

Unanimous decision.
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The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a naturalized immigrant can’t be stripped of their citizenship for making false statements during the naturalization process that are irrelevant to an immigration official's decision to grant or deny citizenship.

A unanimous court said the government must establish that an immigrant’s illegal act during the naturalization process played some role in acquiring citizenship. When the underlying illegal act is a false statement, the justices said a jury must decide whether the false statements altered the naturalization process and influenced the immigration official's decision.
10  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 06:45:03 PM

Democrats Seethe After Georgia Loss: ‘Our Brand Is Worse Than Trump’



A small group of Democrats who have been critical of Ms. Pelosi in the past again pressed her to step down on Wednesday. And in a private meeting of Democratic lawmakers, Representative Tony Cárdenas of California, Ms. Pelosi’s home state, suggested the party should have a more open conversation about her effect on its political fortunes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/pelosi-georgia-ossoff-democrats.html?hpw&rref=us&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0




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11  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 06:43:04 PM
And my point has been that this "exception" is what reasonably keeps Knick up at night.
Well at least you now admit it is an exception.  I would argue it is a mighty big one.

Dear Laughing Boy,

The use of quotation marks in some situations implies the opposite of what is inside them.

This is one of those.
12  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
"NO".  Okay so why did you imply otherwise?

1) KNICKS: I'm worried about my son being hurt by the police.
2) RED: Why? Is he a criminal?

Again the statistics you continue to rely on for whatever the hell point you're trying to make has nothing to do with what you implied: THAT ONLY CRIMINALS HAVE TO FEAR THE POLICE.
First.  I cited tons of statistics and where to find them.
Knicks said he feared for his son implying he could be subjected to police action for no reason. That is not the case. Not even close. Not that it hasn't happened but the cases where a totally innocent person winding up injured or killed by police are rare. And the idea that it is only white cops against blacks is equally absurd.
Second. Our conversation had to do with your " chestnut " which implies you think it is out of fashion is also absurd. Again proven by statistics.


Your statistics have absolutely nothing to do with the "chestnut," Laughing Boy. Yours are about whether or not the police have something to fear from somebody who has broken the law - which still is less than .00005% of the time they interact with a citizen, AT MOST.
13  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
Louima cops were prosecuted succesfully[sic].  Sentenced to 30 and 15 years respectively - though the one cop's 15 years eneded [sic]up being 5 when he was retired [sic] for perjury after a succesful[sic] appeal of the 15.

None of which changes the fact that Abner was not a crook. He was a guy, who was trying to help break up a fight, and then he was falsely accused of punching an officer and wound up with a broomstick being shoved up his ass and then into his mouth.

The thread here is, Knicks12 said I fear for my son, RedStateWard said, is he a crook, #1 gave four examples (going back 20+ years in order to illustrate that this is not a "new" phenomenon) of men (well 3 men and a 12year old boy) who endured various levels of abuse from the police. None of them were "crooks" (despite your opinion of Diallo).
And more to the point, or perhaps the exact point Red was attempting to make (one which I'm sure Red will deny making by now telling  me that I wasn't paying attention or "perhaps" that I should learn to read), is the old  chestnut that if you're not doing anything wrong, i.e., a criminal,  you have nothing to fear from the police.  


In 2015, 37 alleged offenders were identified in connection with the 41 law enforcement officers feloniously killed. Of those offenders, the following characteristics are known:



In that same year, the police killed more than 1,000 civilians.
14  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 11:26:45 AM
For all you GOP fans out there:
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From Stephen Alan Glassman:
"I made a comment recently where I claimed that Republican administrations had been much more criminally corrupt over the last 50 plus years than the Democrats. I was challenged (dared actually) to prove it. So I did a bit of research and when I say a bit I mean it didn't take long and there is no comparison. When comparing criminal indictments of those serving in the executive branch of presidential administrations it's so lopsided as to be ridiculous. Yet all I ever hear is how corrupt the Democrats are. So why don't we break it down by president and the numbers.

Obama - 8yrs in office. zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. so the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.

Bush, George W. - 8yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.

Clinton - 8yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. one conviction. one prison sentence. that's right nearly 8yrs of investigations. tens of millions spent and 30yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.

Bush, George H. W. - 4yrs in office. one indictment. one conviction. one prison sentence.

Reagan - 8yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.

Carter - 4yrs in office. one indictment. zero convictions and zero prison sentences.

Ford - 2 1/2 yrs in office. one indictment and one conviction. one prison sentence.

Nixon - 6yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.

Johnson - 5yrs in office. zero indictments. zero convictions. zero prison sentences.

So, let’s see where that leaves us. in the last 53 years Democrats have been in office for 25 of those years while Republicans held it for 28. in their 25yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. that's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.

In the 28yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53yrs they have had a total of(a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren't really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn't found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford. so those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.

With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it's a safe bet Republicans are gonna be padding their numbers a bit real soon. So let's just go over the numbers one more time shall we. 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions and 34 prison sentences. Those aren't "feelings" or "alternate facts" those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been for my entire lifetime, the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency."

GOP, the party of and for corruption.
15  National / The White House / Re: Trump Administration on: June 22, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/21/officer-who-shot-philando-castile-said-smell-of-marijuana-made-him-fear-for-his-life/?utm_term=.b78d6c4b3750

The smell of pot made him fear for his life, he says.

And you want to defend this piece of shit, Kid?
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