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1  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: Today at 05:40:37 PM
I'll play!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204586933269729&set=a.10204586921429433.1073741828.1726150345&type=3&theater

Oh, wait.



For some reason, where I am in the house seems to dictate whether my IP is visible or not. I don't know why or if it is a problem.

But here's mine. Mr Utley and Mr. Miserable, you're next.
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 04:52:25 PM

https://www.lawfareblog.com/whos-really-crossing-us-border-and-why-theyre-coming

Despite what the president says, the situation at the border is much more nuanced. There’s not a flood of people racing across the border. The majority of migrants aren’t dangerous criminals. Many are women and families—and many are fleeing gang violence rather than seeking to spread that violence farther north.



3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 04:47:02 PM
Bankshot's  
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Are the gutless sacks of shit just pissing on the Statue of Liberty....    

Was a fine piece of mixed metaphor.  

Luee remains word salad to me.

Meanwhile Sara Sanders ejected from restaurant for being a Trump girl.  Personally,  I think it just feeds the Right's stereos of liberals and invites hypocrisy charges.

Perhaps the restaurant owner's regious beliefs precluded her from serving a fucking fascist pig.

Yeah but then we want Mr.  Baker to make a wedding cake for the two dudes in Denver.   Just sayin, the optics aren't good if you want to be rid of discrimination.  

I'm confused.

Doesn't the restaurant always have the right to kick Ms. Sanders out because their issue is not concerning a protected class?

And while the other side will no doubt claim hypocrisy, isn't it theirs?

4  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 03:39:16 PM

From the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service:
"To apply for asylum in the U.S., you must be physically present in the U.S. or seeking entry into the U.S. at a port of entry."

and
"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."

In other words, Mr. Bambu, they were applying for asylum legally.


Obviously they were.


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However, beyond that, the border guards were turning away those attempting to enter the United States for the purpose of applying for asylum in what you would call "the legal way."

Attempting to enter the US illegally.

No.

Legally.

Can't be having people doing that...because the queue would never end, 'millions' would be trying it.
So, they can simply drive up to a border crossing gate and say they want to apply for asylum?  and they have to be let in to do so?

Yes, they have to be let in to do so. It is international law, Mr. Bambu. Not just U.S. law, but treaty law to which we are signatories.

It's been the law since November 1, 1968.
http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/about-us/background/4ec262df9/1951-convention-relating-status-refugees-its-1967-protocol.html

Australia signed the same Convention and Protocols, though 5 years later.

That queue of millions hasn't formed yet.

Among the countries that are not parties to the Convention are Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Syria.
5  Sports / Baseball / Re: National League on: Today at 01:05:24 AM
Can we find some starting pitching? Please?!
6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 12:59:10 AM

If only their parents had not brought them across the border illegally...knowingly illegally.
Now look what's happening...20 days with their parents and then the kids are off to who knows where to be housed/detained, while their parents face the music in the legal system.

One day the 'sanctuary cities' etc nonsense was going to end...that day is here.

These parents only have themselves to blame...for not applying for asylum legally.

From the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service:
"To apply for asylum in the U.S., you must be physically present in the U.S. or seeking entry into the U.S. at a port of entry."

and
"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."

In other words, Mr. Bambu, they were applying for asylum legally.

However, beyond that, the border guards were turning away those attempting to enter the United States for the purpose of applying for asylum in what you would call "the legal way."

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/563084/us-border-asylum/

What would you have had them do when the US border guards were not obeying their own laws?

Whose fault was it that Japanese-Americans were interned in WW2?
Answer; Other Japanese, the ones in Hawaii who were spying and relaying plans of the harbour etc back to Japan so that as many US planes/people/ships etc as possible could be destroyed at Pearl Harbor.
The ones in Japan who were cheering the slaughter at Pearl harbor.


No, Mr. Bambu, it was not the fault of the Japanese that the United States violated its own principles.

We have laws that were violated in the extreme by the action to take the Japanese-Americans and the resident Japanese from their homes as we did. Nor was the Supreme Court decision in anyway mitigating of that.

Right of association, not delineated but built into the First Amendment was broken. The Due Process clause in the Fifth Amendment was violated.

And the spirit of the entire document was violated: people were deprived of home and property and freedom based on their heritage, not their actions, and imprisoned without a charge, let alone a conviction.

But at this point you have pretty well made it clear that in your opinion, Anne Frank deserved to die, that slaves should have been returned to their "owners" who had the right to beat them and to sell their children, and that the practice of taking children from indigenous peoples, whether United States, Canada, or Australia, was all right with you because it was the law and therefore their own fault.
7  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 11:38:26 PM
http://ualrpublicradio.org/post/feds-considering-arkansas-site-near-japanese-internment-camp-house-migrant-children
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 09:18:15 PM

I make it as more countries in the Middle East fighting amongst themselves.

Last June, Saudi Arabia and three of its biggest friends — Egypt, the UAE, and Bahrain — all announced that they were severing diplomatic ties with Qatar, as well as suspending air, land, and sea travel to and from the country.
The move came after Riyadh accused Qatar of cozying up to Iran, Saudi Arabia’s main regional adversary, and of backing Islamic extremist groups. Saudi Arabia has clashed with Qatar in the past over Qatar’s rogue foreign policy stance and the coverage of its influential, state-funded news organization, Al Jazeera.


It's the same countries, Mr. Bambu.

But the notion of digging a huge canal to cut off an opposing country is extreme, let alone posting nuclear waste along the banks, is what I don't quite see.
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 09:16:13 PM
Trump: Immigrants are Animals.

US:  That’s a horrible thing to say.
Please cite the verbatim 


“They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our country, like MS-13." Trump tweet.

10  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 07:10:24 PM
Finally some unambiguous good news

http://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/622294777/u-s-population-is-becoming-older-and-less-white-than-ever-before

Not only are whites shrinking as a proportion of the populace and the electorate, they are also declining in absolute numbers. In just a few years a repeat of Trump, or either Bush for that matter, will be electorally impossible.

Do you think the aging is unambiguously good?
11  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: June 22, 2018, 05:19:25 PM
This place sucks without me to generate conversation.

Okay, who read the piece in Good Gossage in the NYT the other day?

And the Nats started the trade deadline early yesterday. Lots of teams need bullpen help.

Holder living up to his name either Yanks.

Should Mets be trading away some of their pitching?

Are the Braves this year's version of last year's Twins?

Does Buck Showalter resign?

Discuss.




I'm so glad you fixed it for us, Mr. Utley.

Nobody but you; yes, they did; is he?

Probably; no; and probably not.

Snarky, Josh.

Quite the fixation you folks have, Mr. Utley.

And all the funnier because of your denial about being Mr. Miserable.

I've seen him on a few times when I've been on. I don't think I have ever seen you on at the same time as Les Miserables.

12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 22, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17485754/saudi-arabia-qatar-gulf-island

I am not sure quite what to make of this.
13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 21, 2018, 07:23:43 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


Justice Department officials said the legal authority to end family separation relies on a request they will make in the coming days to Judge Dolly M. Gee of the Federal District Court in Los Angeles, the daughter of immigrants from China who was appointed by President Barack Obama. She oversees a 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, which prohibits immigration authorities from keeping children in detention, even if they are with their parents, for more than 20 days.

The 1997 case imposes legal constraints on the proper treatment of children in government custody, which stopped Mr. Obama after his administration began detaining families together during a similar flood of illegal immigration several years ago.


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Interesting times ahead.



Until Wednesday, Mr. Trump had refused to simply end his government’s zero-tolerance policy that was announced last month and led to the separation of more than 2,300 children from their parents, saying that the alternative would be to fling open the country’s borders and allow immigrants who cross the border illegally to remain in the United States.


As is frequently the case. Mr. Trump was lying, Mr. Bambu.

Prior to this, they used tracking anklets for the adults and there has been no evidence to suggest that they did not work as intended.
14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 21, 2018, 07:21:47 PM
RIP
Charles Krauthammer

He will be missed.
15  Sports / Baseball / Re: American League on: June 21, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
This place sucks without me to generate conversation.

Okay, who read the piece in Good Gossage in the NYT the other day?

And the Nats started the trade deadline early yesterday. Lots of teams need bullpen help.

Holder living up to his name either Yanks.

Should Mets be trading away some of their pitching?

Are the Braves this year's version of last year's Twins?

Does Buck Showalter resign?

Discuss.




I'm so glad you fixed it for us, Mr. Utley.

Nobody but you; yes, they did; is he?

Probably; no; and probably not.
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