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Basketball / Jazz V Mavericks
« on: August 04, 2022, 03:03:59 PM »
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202204180DAL.html

The series stats are interesting. 

Mitchell was putting up a lot of shots.  A LOT OF SHOTS.  Not very efficient.  Not all that great from trey. 

Hey, in all fairness, what else did Utah have, offensively? 

One could argue that Jalen out played DM, least ways, he mostly matched and in some ways exceeded DM. 

And no, that does not negate Mitchell's cumulative skillset or career consistency. 

Didn't translate into the Jazz rising to the top of the West though, did it. 

Maybe it is time for the Jazz to tear it all down and rebuild it. 

I AM NOT INCLINED TO HELP. 

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Basketball / All Or Nothing?
« on: August 04, 2022, 02:46:38 PM »
Well, these people are not sportswriters. They're not journalists.

They're just sort of playing one on the web.

They provide cheap content for various sites, God knows what they get paid, if anything. That's why you see the same nonsensical shit recycled in a million places.

Immanuel Quickley, Quentin Grimes, Obi Toppin, Derrick Rose, 2023 First-Round Pick, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2025 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick, 2029 First-Round Pick For Donovan Mitchell

I do believe that Kiid's position is that this adolescent wet dream is a transformative trade that benefits us more than the Jazz. 

The idea that Mitchell is somehow a significant game changer to the point of sundering all future assets and the heart of our second unit is a crock. 

I mean, it really makes me crazy. 

If Mitchell is so great, how did Brunson and the Mavs put Donovan and the Jazz to sleep? 

If Mitchell is so great, why are the Jazz contempating offloading their best player and going into the tank in total rebuild mode?  Would think you would want to rebuild around him. 

FIVE #1 Picks?

FUCK YOU. 

By keeping our powder dry, we could arguably, in the 2023 Draft, package our two #1 picks + X-future #1 picks to move up in the draft to cop next year's Jaden Ivey. 

Said picks could be deployed in some manner should Julius & The Knicks determine it would be best for us all to move on.  Me, I kind of think JR is going to benefit from Jalen running the point.  Likewise Fournier, who in the summer of 2023, would have one guaranteed year left on his deal...

Then again, come next February, a healthy productive Rose, with his team option for 2023-2024, might be packaged for a player or picks.

Finally, this feeding frenzy notwithstanding, tossing all of your eggs in one basket, blowing out all of your assets on one player, and sundering future flex seems counterintuitive to me, and I am heartened that the Knicks did not let themselves be strong armed by this nonsense. 

Quentin Grimes is not 6'1" he is 6'5" 

Quentin Grimes is not 26, he is 22

Quentin Grimes has a ways to go to be the offensive threat that Mitchell is, but he showed enormous progress this summer both as a shooter, scorer and facilitator. 

Quentin Grimes is a solid defender.  Donovan Mitchell is somewhat suspect in that department. 

QUNETIN GRIMES IS NOT DONOVAN MITCHELL.  Quentin Grimes has a considerable ways to go. 

Duly noted. 

I am happy to gague his progress and growing pains as a KNICK.  Likewise IQ and Obi, who made quite the statement to close out 2022. 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

Pretty damn impressive carerr stats for DM: 23.9 ppg, 3.4 reb, 4.5 dimes, .833 FT%

I mean, what's not to like?

Class? 

The Asking PRICE 

FUCK DONOVAN MITCHELL 


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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: August 03, 2022, 03:10:40 PM »

1024
Basketball / An Abomination
« on: July 31, 2022, 05:41:40 PM »
Probably the most underappreciated athlete in Boston sports history. Boston didn't deserve Bill Russell.

Russell & Family purchased a home in an upscale suburb of Boston. People told Russell time and time again that he didn't belong--Russell responded that he did belong & that they couldn't do anything about it. Then in 1963 fans broke into his home, spray painted racist words in the living room, smashed up his trophy case & defecated in his bed.



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Basketball / GOAT On & Off The Court
« on: July 31, 2022, 03:51:54 PM »
And in canvas....

Truly  a great American whose work will live on forever.




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Basketball / GOAT
« on: July 31, 2022, 03:27:56 PM »

1027
Basketball / Ain't That A MAN
« on: July 31, 2022, 03:11:04 PM »



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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: July 31, 2022, 12:43:29 PM »
Price isn't coming down

Knicks would have pulled the trigger already if they absolutely loved Mitchell.


This is OVER.

From your lips to Gods ears.

GOOD

👍

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: July 30, 2022, 02:21:27 PM »
Washington does not have the draft capital. Their 25, 27, and 29 is the best they can do. They also do not have enough useful young pieces.

Charlotte can do Denver 23 lotto protected, their 25, 27, and 29 plus Rozier, Bouknight, and Williams. Not sure that satisfies Ainge.

We can outbid them both but should decline to do so.

This is likely old news, but checking out my daily rumors, under the heading of no Knicks Jazz contact in two weeks...all Ainge was asking?

Grimes, Toppin, Quickley, McBride and six #1 picks.

Uh Huh

1030
Basketball / Facil
« on: July 29, 2022, 10:51:51 PM »
I have a new toy for you to play with. 

Apparently--well, make that supposedly--Washington and Charlotte are in talks with Utah. 

Do your worst, Trader Vic.  Wiz have some young depth that might appeal to Ainge.  But Charlotte has that Hayward contract, though I would be hard pressed to imagine Ainge taking him back with Mitchell out the door.  Pointless. 

In the meantime, "NBA INSIDER" Shams Charania maintains that there have been no discussions in two weeks between the Jazz & Knicks. 

PRAISE THE LORD. 
 

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Basketball / Re: Focus Vs. Fuckus
« on: July 29, 2022, 05:58:12 PM »
Nary a peep out of Thibs this whole while, but I suspect that signing of Brunson and Hartenstein, the return of Mitchell Robinson and Rose, and his clear emotional/spiritual investment in RJ and Julius, let alone Grimes, IQ and Toppin, is such that I'm not feelng a sense of urgency by Thibs to break it all up and go back to square one.  We have depth and character and talent from top to bottom.  Enough to get us into the TOP 6 of the East.  Well, that might be a bit bold, but for me the next step is consistency and competitive focus.   


I'm down with most of this, save for the fact that Thibs holds some real responsibility for how it played out with Julius.

But the point is, this is exactly why I'm feeling good about the current situation where we may, or may not, get Donovan Mitchell. There's all this clamor about Danny Ainge fleecing the desperate Knicks. Where is that desperation? As a fan I don't feel it. And I haven't seen anything reflecting desperation from the front office.

We have a better team than last year! On several fronts! Brunson is fabulous (I was whining about not having a point guard all season). And Hartenstein isn't just a serviceable vet, the dude might yet become exceptional. Then we got the rising play of Grimes and Obi, et al.

We can negotiate from a position of strength. Knicks rarely get to do that. If we don't like the deal, fuck it.

And that's coming from someone who wants to see Mitchell here.

Word

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Basketball / Re: Knicks
« on: July 29, 2022, 05:54:11 PM »
Dont see any reason Hayward wont play well.  For us or the Hornets.

82 games in a season.

That comes to 246 games over three seasons.

In the last three season he has played 145 games.

Played well, when he's played at all.

Gimme a break.  Or should I suggest if there is something to break, GH will  surely break it.

Maybe we can offer a two way contract to Greg Oden while we are at it. 

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Basketball / Re: Oy Vey
« on: July 29, 2022, 05:01:43 PM »
Here is a move I would consider proposing to Charlotte,

Randle and Rose for Hayward and Washington and a protected first.

Mitch Hartenstein Sims
Obi PJ
RJ Reddish Hayward
Grimes Fournier
Brunson Quickley McBride

And we would still have an exception left to do something at the margins.

Gordon Hayward has played 52, 44, 49 games the past three seasons.  Due $30, $31 million over the next two seasons. 

But we're upset about Fournier's contract.

 

Swell idea.

PS: I like PJ Washington

Hayward may or may not be great for us, but he is off the books two years ahead of Randle. Washington makes a cheaper, more manageable, productive replacement.

So
Fucking
What

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Basketball / Focus Vs. Fuckus
« on: July 29, 2022, 01:07:06 PM »
With salaries where they are at these days, Fournier's is not a bad contract.  It is especially good in that we have a team option for year three which we can pick up and use in a deal - if available.

(NOW - of course for the 18-19 mil we do not want a repeat of the 12 PER performance - I get that.  I do think thee FT percentage was an outlier to his career - and factored into the lower PER  - should get back closer to 80+%)

Fan PRESSURE is a terrible reason to make a trade.

God, but I hate a dummy



Having no reliable, real rudder at PG, first with a ball dominant Kemba, then a gimpy Rose, and finally a game but mismatched Burks, we saw poor starts from RJ and IQ, wild inconsistency from Julius and Evan.  Things never quite meshed. 

I thought [well, hoped, for sure] that we were getting the Evan Fournier of the French Olympic team, who was a pretty dynamic performer. 

The CHEMISTRY on our team in 2021-22 was substantially undermined compared to the 2020-21 team, ironically enough, by cutting Theo Pinson loose, whose contribution was one of spirit as much as anything, which he went to do with significant impact for the Dallas Mavericks.  Reggie Bullock for Fournier was a wash in terms of talent, and while Fournier was a more versatile offensive creator off the bounce, we certainly missed Bullock's D, though he was not particularly adept offensively at anything other than catch and shoot, which in a bake off between Evan and Reggie was pretty much a wash.  And while Dawg never tires of mocking on Elfrid Payton, and his deficiencies were many and manifest, he could defend and get to the rack: some of Julius diminuition in terms of stats and consistency, stem from the lack of chemistry he rolled with in 2020-21 with Reggie and Elfrid. 

Again, I love Donovan Mitchell, but I think the steady beat of the drums in favor of going all in on bringing him to NY is a very bad idea. 

Ainge is looking to max out any deal, as well he might, but I really respect Grimes [his size and strength, his defense and his nascent playmaking skills, let alone how he can shoot when in the moment]; I feel like RJ, Quickley and Toppin's heads are in a good place coming off of how they ended up last season. 

And the steady chorus of negativity towards Randle.  He brought a lot of that on himself, but I think running him out of town on a rail is lame.  I expect him to come into training camp psyched as a MF. 

The ripple effect of having Brunson as a clear cut leader coming into camp, the return of Rose, and the stability of having most of the key pieces, both established  plus up and coming back from last year, betokens a level of chemistry that I am surely wont to disrupt. 

Again, regarding Mitchell, he is a great talent, and you have to give to get, but Ainge looks at the Knicks and sees all day suckers, much as he did with Billy King and the Nets, much as Masai Ujiri did in both the Anthony and Barganani transactions. 



I am quite pleased that the Knicks have remained prudent and patient, and did not fold up like a cheap suitcase for Ainge's BS. 

Nary a peep out of Thibs this whole while, but I suspect that signing of Brunson and Hartenstein, the return of Mitchell Robinson and Rose, and his clear emotional/spiritual investment in RJ and Julius, let alone Grimes, IQ and Toppin, is such that I'm not feelng a sense of urgency by Thibs to break it all up and go back to square one.  We have depth and character and talent from top to bottom.  Enough to get us into the TOP 6 of the East.  Well, that might be a bit bold, but for me the next step is consistency and competitive focus.   


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Basketball / Re: Oy Vey
« on: July 29, 2022, 10:18:52 AM »
Here is a move I would consider proposing to Charlotte,

Randle and Rose for Hayward and Washington and a protected first.

Mitch Hartenstein Sims
Obi PJ
RJ Reddish Hayward
Grimes Fournier
Brunson Quickley McBride

And we would still have an exception left to do something at the margins.

Gordon Hayward has played 52, 44, 49 games the past three seasons.  Due $30, $31 million over the next two seasons. 

But we're upset about Fournier's contract.

 

Swell idea.

PS: I like PJ Washington

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