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1  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: Today at 12:31:12 AM
If you did not understand that the Slim Pickens character (not only in Strangelove but his entire body of work) is often as a dumb-fuck ignorant red-neck, perhaps you shouldn't have used him to broad brush white voters.

I thought the analogy was apt.  And I think I can think that without cosigning onto everything you read into Slim Pickens' character.  Personally (though I haven't seen the film in a while) I always saw him as more of a ya-hoo cowboy loose-cannon type than explicitly "red-neck."

Nothing in Dr. Strangelove suggests Lt. Major Kong is a racist or a Redneck.
He is a Texas cowboy bravely carrying out duty to his country.
And his reading of the survival kit instructions to his bomber  crew is hilarious.


He wasn't racist but IMO red-neck is apt.

and the yee-haw as he rode the bomb as a rodeo rider evoked a sterotypical "southern gool ole boy" personna.

And the equation of white people to Slim Pickens was questioned.

Rodeos are not southern. Cowboys are not good ole boys. And Red's description of his role in Strangelove is apt. As is Knicks analogy to white Trump supporters.

I think of rodeos and Nascar as southern pastimes and Cowboys as red-necks.

Red's description was reasonable.

IMO Knicks need to blame "whites" is not.


Who is he supposed to blame for racism?

Genetics. (see above)

knicks has a tendency to blame white people for lots of things.

Were whites responsible for Obama's election as well as Trump's?

What role did black voter fall-off in '16 play in electing Trump?

He can blame whomever he likes.






What role did black voter fall-off in '16 play in electing Trump?”


Are you saying black voters failed to save America from herself?

What role did the majority of white folks voting play in electing a Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
2  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 11:52:37 PM
Why can't we all just get along?

Oh, yeah.

Because we in our tribes!

Ungawah!

Go, Sox!

Let's go, Mets!

Red State.

Blue State.

Donkey.

Elephant.

German. French. Virginia, West Virginia.

Evangelical. Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Hindu, Muslim, Taoist, Maoist...

This side of the river! That side!

That's part of the issue, for sure.

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

Which is where I come in. My primary purpose here is to unite you all.

That is my role, and for that I am glad. Peacemaker of sorts, since you can all, at the end of the day agree on one thing.

Hating Utley!

You may now all do what Chris Carlin told Fatso and Fruit Loops to do.

See ya!

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

May not know everything, but I know more than you.

Thanks for proving my point. Buckwheat.

The only point I proved is the one on top of your head...

Go on wit' cha nappy headed self, mofo.

Low fade with waves...

By the way, only people I’ve heard say “mofo” were characters in 7Os blaxploitations written and directed by guys like Jack Hill.

Got that, “you jive turkey?”
3  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
Gosh I could gab about the ideological symbology of Strangelove roles all day!

Don't get me started on Pres.  Merkin Muffley and its clitoral implications. 

General Ripper seems like the best fit with the current administration.



“Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here! This the War Room!”
4  Sports / Football / Re: NFL on: April 25, 2018, 10:37:08 PM
but why is there no outcry when he says such things?

Because most consider the source...

5  Sports / Football / Re: NFL on: April 25, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
After Rosen’s former college coach, Jim Mora, said that the Browns should take a different quarterback rather than Rosen with their pick, ESPN radio host Stephen A. Smith theorized that Mora “may have been doing it to dissuade the Cleveland Browns from picking him because Josh Rosen, according to my sources, would prefer to be in New York. He’s Jewish, there’s a stronger Jewish community, he’d rather be in the New York market than the Cleveland market, blah blah blah. We don’t know, but it’s some of the things that we’ve heard.”

this is wrong. can't imagine that there's been no push back on this. how does Smith get away with such bigotry?

“Screaming A. Smith is an asshole” — Captain Obvious
6  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Why can't we all just get along?

Oh, yeah.

Because we in our tribes!

Ungawah!

Go, Sox!

Let's go, Mets!

Red State.

Blue State.

Donkey.

Elephant.

German. French. Virginia, West Virginia.

Evangelical. Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Hindu, Muslim, Taoist, Maoist...

This side of the river! That side!

That's part of the issue, for sure.

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

Which is where I come in. My primary purpose here is to unite you all.

That is my role, and for that I am glad. Peacemaker of sorts, since you can all, at the end of the day agree on one thing.

Hating Utley!

You may now all do what Chris Carlin told Fatso and Fruit Loops to do.

See ya!

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

May not know everything, but I know more than you.

Thanks for proving my point. Buckwheat.

The only point I proved is the one on top of your head...
7  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 05:39:29 PM
Approximately one out four Cowboys were black but not according to the romantic popular culture.

I read about guys like Bass Reeves and Nat Love (aka Deadwood Dick) when I was a youngster.

*Also, the town of Yuma AZ was named by a black cowboy. After losing in a gunfight his last words before dying were supposedly:

“You mah..., you mah...”

*(Very old joke)
8  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 05:01:08 PM
Major Kong riding the bomb to his own doom and in the process bringing on the end of the world was, in my opinion, an apt analogy to the election.
9  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 04:58:53 PM
It would be awesome if some business people got together and saved Toys R Us. I just watched a video of a little girl selling lemonade to try to help to save Toys R Us. Children love Toys R Us, and it would be awesome if people could save Toys R Us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toys_%22R%22_Us

Salute,

Tony V.

Ask Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital. Toy R Us would have been very profitable if not for the debt they were saddled with after they were taken over.
10  Sports / Football / Re: NFL on: April 25, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
Trump ain’t gonna like this...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/sports/nfl-owners-kaepernick.html
11  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 04:27:10 PM
You're offended by my use of Remus as a tongue in cheek reference after you a red-neck sterotype to blame white people for Trump?

Really?

And you're the guy who refused to see the anti-semitism in Jay Z's and bent into a pretzel to rationale it as a lesson for money management for rappers?

LMFAO.

Your hypocrisy and denial is mind numbing.



  

Kong riding the bomb was an analogy. You calling me Uncle Remus was a personal insult. That you don’t see that redoes harm to your argument about my hypocrisy.

Why aren’t you concerned about JayZ using cooning stereotypes in the same song?

The discussion at the time was Jay Z's use of an anti-semitic lyric.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Nor does you changing the subject to making yourself the victim

I use a caricature the same way as you did.

you offended me by calling white people "red-necks"

and some how you think your use of a broad-based slur is ok.

your hypocrisy grows by the minute.



Red necks? Maybe I did but I don’t recall using that term in this thread but maybe you can prove that.

But you basically offended ME directly while you took offense over a political analogy.

At the time of the first Jay-Z discussion I referred to the watermelon eating coin caricature and had a conversation with the forum, Josh in particular, about how the origins of the watermelon stereotype. So this is not a new argument from me. Not two wrongs, two stereotypical illustrations in order to make a point.

I’m making myself a victim? You keep hollering the Jews had it worse than everyone in the world and don’t seem to understand I don’t disagree.

However you keep painting yourself as the “victim” of 5000 years of oppression. That is a stupid game because it is like the offensive lineman tacking the tight end.

If you did not understand that the Slim Pickens character (not only in Strangelove but his entire body of work) is often as a dumb-fuck ignorant red-neck, perhaps you shouldn't have used him to broad brush white voters.

I responded to your analogy and use of an offensive sterotype with one of my own.

But I understood the nature of my use of "Remus" it was to point at your hypocisy that you using offensive sterotypes was fair-game because...

I never said Jews had it worse. And I'm not hollering. I reminded you that Africa-Americans were hardly the only aggrived party in the predjudice game and i mentioned 5000 years.

I thought that sufficient to perhaps ground the conversation in some reality.

I was mistaken, as you seem to believe racism started 400 years ago.



Round and round we go, where it stops?

Right here.

Enjoy yourself Banks. You keep trying to hold up a mirror to me and won’t look at your own.

Luke 6:42




It can stop now.

Knicks i have a pretty good idea of who i am. And I'm reaonably comfortable with that person.

But I understand from time to time I can be a prick.

Take my words to heart, they were not meant with malice, and I was not the only one with a like criticism of your liberal use of generalizations and a seeming indifference to certain ethnic slurs aimed at others.

Peace



Buy bye, Banks.
12  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 04:00:58 PM
Why can't we all just get along?

Oh, yeah.

Because we in our tribes!

Ungawah!

Go, Sox!

Let's go, Mets!

Red State.

Blue State.

Donkey.

Elephant.

German. French. Virginia, West Virginia.

Evangelical. Catholic, Jew, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Hindu, Muslim, Taoist, Maoist...

This side of the river! That side!

That's part of the issue, for sure.

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

Which is where I come in. My primary purpose here is to unite you all.

That is my role, and for that I am glad. Peacemaker of sorts, since you can all, at the end of the day agree on one thing.

Hating Utley!

You may now all do what Chris Carlin told Fatso and Fruit Loops to do.

See ya!

But the real issue is people like Knicks and Banks, both of whom think they know everything, and both of whom can't stand letting anyone else have the last word.

May not know everything, but I know more than you.
13  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
You're offended by my use of Remus as a tongue in cheek reference after you a red-neck sterotype to blame white people for Trump?

Really?

And you're the guy who refused to see the anti-semitism in Jay Z's and bent into a pretzel to rationale it as a lesson for money management for rappers?

LMFAO.

Your hypocrisy and denial is mind numbing.



  

Kong riding the bomb was an analogy. You calling me Uncle Remus was a personal insult. That you don’t see that redoes harm to your argument about my hypocrisy.

Why aren’t you concerned about JayZ using cooning stereotypes in the same song?

The discussion at the time was Jay Z's use of an anti-semitic lyric.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Nor does you changing the subject to making yourself the victim

I use a caricature the same way as you did.

you offended me by calling white people "red-necks"

and some how you think your use of a broad-based slur is ok.

your hypocrisy grows by the minute.



Red necks? Maybe I did but I don’t recall using that term in this thread but maybe you can prove that.

But you basically offended ME directly while you took offense over a political analogy.

At the time of the first Jay-Z discussion I referred to the watermelon eating coin caricature and had a conversation with the forum, Josh in particular, about how the origins of the watermelon stereotype. So this is not a new argument from me. Not two wrongs, two stereotypical illustrations in order to make a point.

I’m making myself a victim? You keep hollering the Jews had it worse than everyone in the world and don’t seem to understand I don’t disagree.

However you keep painting yourself as the “victim” of 5000 years of oppression. That is a stupid game because it is like the offensive lineman tacking the tight end.

If you did not understand that the Slim Pickens character (not only in Strangelove but his entire body of work) is often as a dumb-fuck ignorant red-neck, perhaps you shouldn't have used him to broad brush white voters.

I responded to your analogy and use of an offensive sterotype with one of my own.

But I understood the nature of my use of "Remus" it was to point at your hypocisy that you using offensive sterotypes was fair-game because...

I never said Jews had it worse. And I'm not hollering. I reminded you that Africa-Americans were hardly the only aggrived party in the predjudice game and i mentioned 5000 years.

I thought that sufficient to perhaps ground the conversation in some reality.

I was mistaken, as you seem to believe racism started 400 years ago.



Round and round we go, where it stops?

Right here.

Enjoy yourself Banks. You keep trying to hold up a mirror to me and won’t look at your own.

Luke 6:42


14  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Have you noticed the continued use of a racial slur by Banks in reference to me?

No I have not noticed that. Because if the post starts off with "Bankshot" I hit the scroll roller. I would suggest you do the same. But that's not my place to do so.

"We hold these truths to be self evident." Done. Let him argue until he turns blue in the face. Why feed the troll? There is no bottom to that pit. He's a tireless rebutter.

Maybe he's a convenient Bozo The Pop up punching bag clown. He serves a purpose for you. That's fine. They're just pixels.

So it's not that I don't care. It's that I didn't see. Because I'm not looking.

Probably the best advice I’ve seen here in quite a while.
15  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 25, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
You're offended by my use of Remus as a tongue in cheek reference after you a red-neck sterotype to blame white people for Trump?

Really?

And you're the guy who refused to see the anti-semitism in Jay Z's and bent into a pretzel to rationale it as a lesson for money management for rappers?

LMFAO.

Your hypocrisy and denial is mind numbing.



  

Kong riding the bomb was an analogy. You calling me Uncle Remus was a personal insult. That you don’t see that redoes harm to your argument about my hypocrisy.

Why aren’t you concerned about JayZ using cooning stereotypes in the same song?

The discussion at the time was Jay Z's use of an anti-semitic lyric.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Nor does you changing the subject to making yourself the victim

I use a caricature the same way as you did.

you offended me by calling white people "red-necks"

and some how you think your use of a broad-based slur is ok.

your hypocrisy grows by the minute.



Red necks? Maybe I did but I don’t recall using that term in this thread but maybe you can prove that.

But you basically offended ME directly while you took offense over a political analogy.

At the time of the first Jay-Z discussion I referred to the watermelon eating coin caricature and had a conversation with the forum, Josh in particular, about how the origins of the watermelon stereotype. So this is not a new argument from me. Not two wrongs, two stereotypical illustrations in order to make a point.

I’m making myself a victim? You keep hollering the Jews had it worse than everyone in the world and don’t seem to understand I don’t disagree.

However you keep painting yourself as the “victim” of 5000 years of oppression. That is a stupid game because it is like the offensive lineman tacking the tight end.
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