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16  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 16, 2018, 12:19:48 AM
Asylum is the incorrect term. Better social services and a chance for better earnings. Coming to America to compete for jobs is not asking for asylum.

a·sy·lum
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noun
1.
the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee.
"she applied for asylum and was granted refugee status"

Bullshit.

Your claim that they are not seeking asylum is baseless.
17  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
In some cases where a husband and wife are both convicted of minor crimes they stagger the sentence so one parent can always be with the kids

In more capital cases kids ARE in fact separated from mom and dad.

Seeking asylum is not a crime...



How about entering illegally?

Talk to me about Cuba and the special rule made for their people re physically being in the US.  Has any special circumstance waiver been granted for Guatemalans and others?

One has nothing to do with the other. They are separating families seeking asylum for no credible reason.



Yous aid it isn't illegal.

For Cubans - they go asylum, automatic - but that was a special rule for Cuba

Guatemalans arent granted asylum on the spot.  Nor should they be.  What do you do with them?  Let's hear your opinion on that.

Since when is it illegal to SEEK ASYLUM?

Screw the Cubans and the dry feet doctrine. Has nothing to do with seizing  children from parents REQUESTING asylum.

This policy has no legal or moral standing, it is a choice made by Trump and his evil elf

This is incorrect

Would you like to answer the question now?

What I’ve been saying, they have the right to seek asylum, they will be detained while being processed and then their request will be granted or denied. Where in that process does it say families seeking asylum must be separated?

Where and what is the legal and moral standing for taking children away from their parents?
18  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 05:00:36 PM
In some cases where a husband and wife are both convicted of minor crimes they stagger the sentence so one parent can always be with the kids

In more capital cases kids ARE in fact separated from mom and dad.

Seeking asylum is not a crime...



How about entering illegally?

Talk to me about Cuba and the special rule made for their people re physically being in the US.  Has any special circumstance waiver been granted for Guatemalans and others?

One has nothing to do with the other. They are separating families seeking asylum for no credible reason.



Yous aid it isn't illegal.

For Cubans - they go asylum, automatic - but that was a special rule for Cuba

Guatemalans arent granted asylum on the spot.  Nor should they be.  What do you do with them?  Let's hear your opinion on that.

Since when is it illegal to SEEK ASYLUM?

Screw the Cubans and the dry feet doctrine. Has nothing to do with seizing  children from parents REQUESTING asylum.

This policy has no legal or moral standing, it is a choice made by Trump and his evil elf
19  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
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Trump’s Former Lawyer Michael Cohen Requests Restraining Order Against Michael Avenatti
Listen to this giant pussy….Where is all that tough-guy gangsta talk now?

Avenatti is good drama

Avenatti is kicking ass... and it is more likely Trump will face discovery in the Stormy Daniels case than Mueller's. Either way when he gives a deposition under oath he's fucked.
20  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 11:50:00 AM
Manafort has bail revoked... breathes sigh of relief.
21  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 10:27:28 AM
In some cases where a husband and wife are both convicted of minor crimes they stagger the sentence so one parent can always be with the kids

In more capital cases kids ARE in fact separated from mom and dad.

Seeking asylum is not a crime...



How about entering illegally?

Talk to me about Cuba and the special rule made for their people re physically being in the US.  Has any special circumstance waiver been granted for Guatemalans and others?

One has nothing to do with the other. They are separating families seeking asylum for no credible reason.

22  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 15, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
In some cases where a husband and wife are both convicted of minor crimes they stagger the sentence so one parent can always be with the kids

In more capital cases kids ARE in fact separated from mom and dad.

Seeking asylum is not a crime...
23  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 14, 2018, 10:45:04 PM
Talk about bringing home the bacon.

A recent shopping spree by Americans is stoking stronger growth in the world’s largest economy. Spending at U.S. retailers soared 0.8% in May, the biggest jump in six months, the government said Thursday, June 14. Consumers, spurred by tax cuts and the lowest unemployment in half a century, shelled out more for cars, clothing, building supplies, health products and bar tabs.


Bill Clinton always got it wrong. Letting consumers keep more of their money results in better spending decisions than trusting the government.

Just gonna leave this right here...

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6660263&page=1
LOL
The democrat congress wrote the stimulus package and 80 per cent of the money went to the rich.
It set us on a path to the slowest recovery from a recession in memory.  By the end of the first two years of the Obama presidency Nancy Pelosi and a host of her liberals were sent to the back of the House.
Now after a real tax cut and the reversal of Obama’s hurtful business-job killing regulations we  have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 years and an economy that is headed to 4+% in the second quarter.

No wonder you want to “ leave it right there”.

The Democratic Congress was still run by GOP lite and the same Senators who almost killed the ACA held the stimulus hostage.

Meanwhile the GOP, in the midst of an economic crisis kept screaming about debt and deficits...

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/us/politics/12stimulus.html

The deal reflected a calculated gamble by Mr. Obama in the first weeks of his term. To win Republican votes, the final stimulus package is considerably leaner than what many economists say is now needed to jolt the economy, given its grave condition.

But it is unclear if Mr. Obama will be able to claim credit for bringing change to Washington by winning bipartisan support for his first major piece of legislation. Not a single House Republican voted for the bill when it came to the floor two weeks ago, and despite many compromises in the Senate, only three Republicans came on board.


You and your claque truly hate America.

LOL.
Yeah. That’s why the GOP keeps winning elections at all levels.

 But now you're at a crossroad. You'll either go into flat out fascism or the GOP will go extinct.

You don't want to see it so you'll go with the former.

Corey Stewart, really?
24  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 14, 2018, 09:25:29 PM
Talk about bringing home the bacon.

A recent shopping spree by Americans is stoking stronger growth in the world’s largest economy. Spending at U.S. retailers soared 0.8% in May, the biggest jump in six months, the government said Thursday, June 14. Consumers, spurred by tax cuts and the lowest unemployment in half a century, shelled out more for cars, clothing, building supplies, health products and bar tabs.


Bill Clinton always got it wrong. Letting consumers keep more of their money results in better spending decisions than trusting the government.

Just gonna leave this right here...

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6660263&page=1
LOL
The democrat congress wrote the stimulus package and 80 per cent of the money went to the rich.
It set us on a path to the slowest recovery from a recession in memory.  By the end of the first two years of the Obama presidency Nancy Pelosi and a host of her liberals were sent to the back of the House.
Now after a real tax cut and the reversal of Obama’s hurtful business-job killing regulations we  have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 years and an economy that is headed to 4+% in the second quarter.

No wonder you want to “ leave it right there”.

The Democratic Congress was still run by GOP lite and the same Senators who almost killed the ACA held the stimulus hostage.

Meanwhile the GOP, in the midst of an economic crisis kept screaming about debt and deficits...

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/us/politics/12stimulus.html

The deal reflected a calculated gamble by Mr. Obama in the first weeks of his term. To win Republican votes, the final stimulus package is considerably leaner than what many economists say is now needed to jolt the economy, given its grave condition.

But it is unclear if Mr. Obama will be able to claim credit for bringing change to Washington by winning bipartisan support for his first major piece of legislation. Not a single House Republican voted for the bill when it came to the floor two weeks ago, and despite many compromises in the Senate, only three Republicans came on board.


You and your claque truly hate America.
25  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 14, 2018, 08:06:25 PM
Talk about bringing home the bacon.

A recent shopping spree by Americans is stoking stronger growth in the world’s largest economy. Spending at U.S. retailers soared 0.8% in May, the biggest jump in six months, the government said Thursday, June 14. Consumers, spurred by tax cuts and the lowest unemployment in half a century, shelled out more for cars, clothing, building supplies, health products and bar tabs.


Bill Clinton always got it wrong. Letting consumers keep more of their money results in better spending decisions than trusting the government.

Just gonna leave this right here...

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6660263&page=1
26  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 14, 2018, 02:31:40 PM
Where is the FBI of old, G-men like J Edgar Hoover, and Mrs. Clyde Tolson, and Efram Zimbalist Jr?



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
27  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 14, 2018, 02:08:37 PM
28  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 12, 2018, 12:32:38 AM
For those following along....


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Sotomayor pointed to a “friend of the court” brief filed in the case indicating that “African-American-majority neighborhoods in downtown Cincinnati had 10% of their voters removed due to inactivity” in the last few years, as “compared to only 4% of voters in a suburban, majority-white neighborhood.” Moreover, she added, most states have found a way to keep their voter-registration lists accurate without relying on the failure to vote as a trigger for their schemes. “Today’s decision,” Sotomayor concluded, “forces these communities and their allies to be even more proactive and vigilant in holding their States accountable and working to dismantle the obstacles they face in exercising the fundamental right to vote.” 

It is a dissenting opinion.
The statistics from Cincinnati are reflective of nothing persuasive. Poorer people vote in fewer numbers everywhere.
.....

The stats are similar in many areas.   Why are you not concerned with what those worse turnouts mean for representative democracy?   
Because they don’t mean any such thing.
Millions of Obama voters in 2012 stayed home in 2016 not because of (alleged)suppressive voter laws but because his hand picked successor turned them off.


That is what one would call conventional wisdom and one asserting the conventional wisdom would be wrong.
No, that would be a fact.
And facts are stubborn things.

No, that would be YOUR OPINION.

Opinions are like assholes, evyone has them. So you’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

Millions more voted for Clinton than Trump, in fact, she pulled more votes than Obama in 2012. In the states where she lost by fewer than 80,000 votes there are cases to be made voter suppression had a significant impact on the vote as did the votes siphoned off by Jill Stein.


Uh, no.
You completely avoided the post.
Clinton lost because democrats, in large numbers, stayed home.
But of those that did vote she still underperformed Obama in 2012 with minorities and white men.
And she virtually tied with white women.


But she still received more votes than Obama in 2012 so your point is?
29  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 11, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
For those following along....


Quote
Sotomayor pointed to a “friend of the court” brief filed in the case indicating that “African-American-majority neighborhoods in downtown Cincinnati had 10% of their voters removed due to inactivity” in the last few years, as “compared to only 4% of voters in a suburban, majority-white neighborhood.” Moreover, she added, most states have found a way to keep their voter-registration lists accurate without relying on the failure to vote as a trigger for their schemes. “Today’s decision,” Sotomayor concluded, “forces these communities and their allies to be even more proactive and vigilant in holding their States accountable and working to dismantle the obstacles they face in exercising the fundamental right to vote.” 

It is a dissenting opinion.
The statistics from Cincinnati are reflective of nothing persuasive. Poorer people vote in fewer numbers everywhere.
.....

The stats are similar in many areas.   Why are you not concerned with what those worse turnouts mean for representative democracy?   
Because they don’t mean any such thing.
Millions of Obama voters in 2012 stayed home in 2016 not because of (alleged)suppressive voter laws but because his hand picked successor turned them off.


That is what one would call conventional wisdom and one asserting the conventional wisdom would be wrong.
No, that would be a fact.
And facts are stubborn things.

No, that would be YOUR OPINION.

Opinions are like assholes, evyone has them. So you’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

Millions more voted for Clinton than Trump, in fact, she pulled more votes than Obama in 2012. In the states where she lost by fewer than 80,000 votes there are cases to be made voter suppression had a significant impact on the vote as did the votes siphoned off by Jill Stein.

30  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: June 11, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
For those following along....


Quote
Sotomayor pointed to a “friend of the court” brief filed in the case indicating that “African-American-majority neighborhoods in downtown Cincinnati had 10% of their voters removed due to inactivity” in the last few years, as “compared to only 4% of voters in a suburban, majority-white neighborhood.” Moreover, she added, most states have found a way to keep their voter-registration lists accurate without relying on the failure to vote as a trigger for their schemes. “Today’s decision,” Sotomayor concluded, “forces these communities and their allies to be even more proactive and vigilant in holding their States accountable and working to dismantle the obstacles they face in exercising the fundamental right to vote.” 

It is a dissenting opinion.
The statistics from Cincinnati are reflective of nothing persuasive. Poorer people vote in fewer numbers everywhere.
.....

The stats are similar in many areas.   Why are you not concerned with what those worse turnouts mean for representative democracy?   
Because they don’t mean any such thing.
Millions of Obama voters in 2012 stayed home in 2016 not because of (alleged)suppressive voter laws but because his hand picked successor turned them off.


That is what one would call conventional wisdom and one asserting the conventional wisdom would be wrong.
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