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7531  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: May 01, 2007, 10:38:04 AM
I could care less if you think I am a veteran or not.

Actually, you must care, because you are the one who brought it up. You are the one who decided that becuase you were a "Viet Nam era" Vet that this meant something in terms of understanding the failures of previous administrations, and trying to prevent similar failure in Iraq.

You can't proclaim the status, then say it doesn't matter.

Unless what you are really saying is that what you say now is what you meant then, or what you mean now is not what you meant then....

In other words....You cared that you were thought of as a vet before you didn't care that you were thought of as a vet.
7532  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: May 01, 2007, 10:31:07 AM
Negative. It reflects VALUES---something that liberals reject out of hand in their me-me-me philosophy. If there was a religious influence in the making of legislation, or obligation to some religion, then it IS not a separation of church and state. But liberals will trash this all day. It will change nothing.

Well, there are your values, my values and there is the set of rules by which we agree to live. The one thing that should be valued above all others is the US. Constitition, and I'm not talking about the ship harbored in Baltimore.

The posting of the Ten Commandments, which comes from Judaism, and was appropriated by the cults of Christianity back in the first century,  is clearly a statement of religious beliefs and has no business being posted on government buildings or property. This is not because liberals do not value religion. This is because the liberals who wrote the Constitution did not want an official government religion since they had lived under such tyranny and did not wish it for their country.

Tell us, Faux-Viet Vet, that you do have a mind of your own? Or do you merely repeat Limbaugh & Hannity talking points and count that as meaningful dialogue in your close-minded world?
7533  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: May 01, 2007, 10:03:23 AM
I agree with whiskeypriest and Tenet.

You have to think pragmatically when you look at Iraq. Looking at the problem in terms of a win or a loss is too simplistic. When Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago, he helped set the table of disappointment that the US sits at now.

Another, perhaps greater concern is Iran. Their policies have created far more trouble in the region, IMO.

They are the number one terrorism sponsors in the region according to http://this

Your link went to a WP article about Pearls Before Breakfast?Huh





Here's the proper link: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2007-05-01_D8ORHHC00&show_article=1&cat=breaking
7534  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: May 01, 2007, 10:02:45 AM
When Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago, he helped set the table of disappointment that the US sits at now.

Not so---the iraqi military was defeated resoundingly. Conventional war ended years ago.

Which has nothing to do with what I was posting.



Another, perhaps greater concern is Iran. Their policies have created far more trouble in the region, IMO.

Perhaps? There IS no doubt about it! Yet liberals poo-poo iran saying they will destroy the US and whatever involvement they have right now in iraq.

You should learn to speak for yourself, instead of trying to speak for others, Faux-Vet.

Iran IS the source of the VAST majority of the terror in Iraq now detonating explosives in sunni and shiite areas, so that each will blame the other---with liberals eating it up like cats licking cream being able to twist it the way they want for petty political expediencies...pitiful! Those that claim the iraqis will be able to fend for themselves and choose their own course after the US finishes cutting and running are simply naive to think that iran will just walk away. Naivete IS a cornerstone of liberalism, and it IS really being displayed for all to see in this matter. Simpletons??

You so easily lathered up, you can't see what is in front of you.
7535  National / Gay Rights / Re: Gay Rights on: May 01, 2007, 06:54:28 AM
I'm not the one trying to convince the folks in the mainstream that gay marriage is okay and how it doesn't threaten or diminish their own beliefs and values.


This is an interesting statement. Do we really want to deny a  group of people the equal protection of the laws simply because some people may find their "beliefs and values" threatened?

I didn't make that argument.

I am just pointing out that your opponents won't be convinced until you begin to accept/understand that their beliefs are not something to be tossed so easily aide, merely to grant you your wishes.

When people feel their values and beliefs are threatened they don't take kindly to anything you have to say and they don't tend to roll over and cede to your desire.

The history of the world tells you that.  Remember Galileo?

I don't think you've really thought this through, politically speaking, if you believe that folks should just give you want you want only on the basis that is the "right thing to do".

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7536  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: May 01, 2007, 06:44:48 AM
I agree with whiskeypriest and Tenet.

You have to think pragmatically when you look at Iraq. Looking at the problem in terms of a win or a loss is too simplistic. When Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago, he helped set the table of disappointment that the US sits at now.

Another, perhaps greater concern is Iran. Their policies have created far more trouble in the region, IMO.

They are the number one terrorism sponsors in the region according to http://this



7537  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 30, 2007, 11:06:12 PM
And leadership is so lacking these days. Just ask Lee Iacocca:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp
7538  National / Gay Rights / Re: Gay Rights on: April 30, 2007, 10:49:32 PM
Interesting.  Who would you have be the spokesperson for Gay america?  What image would not ruffle any feathers? 

"The fact is that too many people, Gay America (and its principle spokespersons) comes across as angry, militant, and unyielding"

Well, sorry but that's not my problem to solve. I was only pointing out that it is a problem.

It is your problem.  You're the one who thinks gay america is too unyielding and militant.  So who would you rather have deliver the truth to you?  Maybe a pretty blond lesbian would help you 'understand'?

Why do these groups have to cater to you?  What makes you worthy that they should change their ways first before you change yours?  How "militant" is it when straight people gang up and kill gay people?  Where is the gay militancy?  Where is the gay threat?


No, it's not my problem. I'm not the one trying to convince the folks in the mainstream that gay marriage is okay and how it doesn't threaten or diminish their own beliefs and values.

No one has to cater to anyone. But then, if you want to get real change, but only on your own terms, you'll never reach the ultimate goal. 

And lose the tone of anger, we spoke of earlier, kammy.

Or learn to handle valid criticism.
7539  National / Bush Administration / What's the News for the Bush Administration tonight, fans? on: April 30, 2007, 10:39:59 PM
All the latest news, and it's just from today!!!
Speedy Gonzales and his designated hitters:
 
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2007-04-30_D8OR9R7O0&show_article=1&cat=breaking


Moral Authority?: “I was only getting a massage! I swear!”  Bush Administration official used escort service:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OR1QVO0&show_article=1&catnum=-1


Progress in Iraq is slow:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070430214343.ad28kz34&show_article=1&catnum=3

 
Follow the money. Is Bush Brother Jeb involved in a New Orleans clean-up fix? Or not???:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OR9LVG0&show_article=1
 

Hey, and I left out Wolfowitz claiming he's being set up!
7540  National / Education / Re: Education on: April 30, 2007, 09:52:18 PM
> Anyone wish to discuss real issues in education.

LOL. Does anyone want to dicuss what Mr. Utley considers to be real issues

I guess if Mr. Utley isn't interested in the issue being discussed he doesn't consider it a real issue.

While I think this forum often goes off topic, which I think is what Mr. Utley was touching upon, I think it's important to teach children how to get along with others. Mr Utley, I don't think it's a proper etiquette to come into a forum thinking the ideas you wish to dicuss are real issues ...... by doing so, probably unconciously, disrespecting all the other issues previously discussed.

Sort of like Mr. Utley's here,  lets discuss real issues .... not the irrelavant ones that we've been discussing a along.

So, before we discuss,  Assessment for Learning? Heterogeneous grouping? The correlation between wealth and performance on standardized tests? lets discuss: How To Introduce Ourselves To Others.


Sorry for the sarcasm of last line, I just couldn't resist.

David


It appears that in your zest to be the Grand PooPah of the Education Forum, insisting that others kiss your ring, etc., you neglected to understand the post completely.


The question was whether anyone wished to discuss real issues in education.

I did not say nor did I imply that the previous posts did not reflect "real issues", just that they had little to do with education. It is especially ridiculous given that half the posters here have had the same "discussion" going in a different, albeit appropriate forum.

So, in effect, yes, the same posts here are irrelevant, and redundant.


 

I could care less about your dubious concern for "ettiquette".
 

No sarcasm. Just clear language, so don't overinterpret it---again.

The introduction is complete. 



7541  National / Education / Re: Education on: April 30, 2007, 09:39:22 PM
Mr. Utley,

I would definitely prefer discussing issues in education than the constant struggle in NGC's mind between good and evil.

What do you mean by Assessment of Learning? Are you referring to authentic assessment or the silly use of standardized tests?

If you want to assess what children has learned, measure what they know at the beginning of the year, collect what they produce during the year as evidence of learning, and at the end of the year compare their incoming knowledge with their exit knowledge. That is how to assess "learning". Anything less is political poppycock.

If you want to discuss the future of education to include the Internet as an important delivery system for a greater variety of information than is currently available from textbooks and other resouces, I'm ready for it!

Anne in Virginia


Assessment For Learning, Anne. A simple definition is using assessment to inform the learner and to retool the instruction, so that the learner is apart of the assessment. It could include the Internet, but it's not necessary.

I just wanted to see some conversation about education here. Thanks for the response.

7542  National / Education / Re: Education on: April 30, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
Anyone wish to discuss real issues in education. Like Assessment for Learning? Heterogeneous grouping? The correlation between wealth and performance on standardized tests?

Anyone?

7543  National / Gay Rights / Re: Gay Rights on: April 30, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
Ohioprof is probably fortunate that she doesn't live near assholes like you.

Well, hang on. In Ohio? no assholes?Huh I think what kid was saying really is "You can come to New Jersey and get your little civil union deal.     

Lambertville is lovely in the Spring, and the Shad Festival is a blast!
7544  National / Gay Rights / Re: Gay Rights on: April 30, 2007, 04:45:59 PM
Interesting.  Who would you have be the spokesperson for Gay america?  What image would not ruffle any feathers? 

"The fact is that too many people, Gay America (and its principle spokespersons) comes across as angry, militant, and unyielding"

Well, sorry but that's not my problem to solve. I was only pointing out that it is a problem.
7545  National / Bush Administration / Re: Bush Administration on: April 30, 2007, 04:44:36 PM
The authorization of domestic spying without a warrant is unconstitutional and is by far much worse an abomination than anything Clinton did during his Presidency.


rrriiiggghhhttt....

I'm a bit confused. Do you support the Constititution of the United States or don't you? Or do you only support it, when it helps advance your agenda?

The response, "rrriiiggghhhttt...." doesn't indicate that you do.  It indicates sarcasm/cynicism, hardly to the Twin Towers of a Rational Argument.

Based on the U.S. Constitution there is certainly enough to impeach the POTUS and the V-POTUS.

Why would someone who professes to love his country, who professes patriotism, who professess to be a Marine stand in the way of seeing the Constitution used for its intended purposes?

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