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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11625 on: March 31, 2020, 02:20:55 PM »

If we have a top 3 I don't deal up.  Top 4/5 - would surrender one future protected #1 to get to top 3.  If I have 6/7 I trust Leon with dealing the assets or to stay put and pick or even deal down.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11626 on: April 01, 2020, 08:07:31 AM »

I don't think dealing up or down is as easy as you seem to think.
And I think it's primarily beneficial when you have a specific target who will be available only a few slots above your position or will still be there later.

If we have the 7th pick and Ty Stick looks to be there at 11, maybe it's worth doing.  But not easy, and no guarantee you get your guy.  I'd probably rather just pick the guy I want rather than potentially get too cute.  I am interested in moving up if not too pricey and if we really like Ball expecting him to our PG of the Future.

But not knowing draft order or more about projected order, it's rather ephemeral speculation for now.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11627 on: April 01, 2020, 10:18:31 AM »

Yeah, good post

I agree - dealing within the draft can be tough

No - I don't have Haliburton in mind in a deal down

I would think - if we in a hypothetical have the SEVEN -

and 1-6 goes

Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija
Anthony
Wiseman

then you consider a deal down

rather than selecting at SEVEN from

Haliburton
Carey
Okongwu
Achiuwua
Okuru
Hampton
+ other (mostly guards) not named
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11628 on: April 01, 2020, 10:21:26 AM »

Jalen McDamiels is a giuy I should have in that 7-end of lottery group.  My bad. 

6-10 SF/PF out of UWash with a handle.  Brother plays for someone - I forget
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11629 on: April 01, 2020, 10:27:01 AM »

PTS
20.5

REB
4.3

AST
5.5

FG%
46.8


How do you like these stats for a PG out of the PAC 12?



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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11630 on: April 01, 2020, 11:11:12 AM »

I would think - if we in a hypothetical have the SEVEN - and 1-6 goes

Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija
Anthony
Wiseman

then you consider a deal down
rather than selecting at SEVEN from

Haliburton
Carey
Okongwu
Achiuwua
Okuru
Hampton
+ other (mostly guards) not named

To me, you take Ty Halibut or Okongwo or whichever guy is highest on your board.
I'd probably only trade down if: 1) my guy was almost certain to go later in a slot I could still snag him or 2)I didn't really want any of them particularly

Knix are so in need of almost everything.  That I'd just get the best player I could get, with emphasis on a G.  I'd prioritize G play, shooting, defense.  Which is why Ty H sounds pretty good to me.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11631 on: April 01, 2020, 11:57:07 AM »

Sounds like we agree

Don't confuse CONSIDERING trading down with definitely doing so.  It will always be offer and board dependent.

That said - no way is Haliburton a 7.
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« Reply #11632 on: April 01, 2020, 12:04:44 PM »

You are taking Haliburton and not signing Payton (unless you want 4 point guards, not including undrafted guys we may want to look at).

This makes you better .... when?  By what degree?
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« Reply #11633 on: April 01, 2020, 12:43:33 PM »

You are taking Haliburton and not signing Payton (unless you want 4 point guards, not including undrafted guys we may want to look at).

This makes you better .... when?  By what degree?

Better immediately by having a PG who can actually make a 3 pointer.

Elf shot 20% on 1.5 3's a game.  That's horrific.  Usually if you shoot so few, the ones you do take are wide open, so your % is decent even if you are a poor 3-point shooter.  20%?

Elf made 14 3-pointers the whole year (46 game played).  Only 49 FTA's @ 57% FT. That's why he's a backup PG, and spot starter.

Franc made 44 3's in 57 games at a very weak 32% clip.
Was our starter for nearly half the season.
Franc actually made his FT's (86%) but took just 59 in 57 games.

Jr. Smith made just 16's 3's in 34 games at a 29% rate.

So our 3 PG's tallied a combined 74 made 3's.  Awful.
When Franc is your best PG outside shooter ... well, you got troubles.

So Ty makes us better.  Provides a threat with the ball on the perimeter.  Which is especially useful since Mitch and Julius are paint players.  Opps can't just go under the screen on PnR's.  More driving lanes for Randle and others.  Open the court.  Get 3 points for a shot now and then.

Re-sign Elf if you can.  And then either move Franc to SG or move one of Franc/Jr. Smith, who is quite the enigma.  Pretty simple stuff really.
A backcourt shooter would help a lot.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11634 on: April 01, 2020, 01:07:59 PM »

I've assumed all along the season is done.

Some talk about having playoffs in Las Vegas without fans.  This is basically the model that the China CBA came up with, but has already delayed the start.
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« Reply #11635 on: April 01, 2020, 01:13:33 PM »

Watching Obi wan keToppin highlights.
Well, I can see the Amare / JohN Collins comps.
On O, OT is dynamic and aggressive and runs the floor well.
On D, he's pretty inept.  Bad at both perimeter and post D.
I guess the most enticing thing is if he can shoot the 3 ball well, combined with his other O.  Looks like pretty good form.  Interesting player.

Could Toppin play the 4 next to Mitch, who could help out on D by covering whichever opponent big is most threatening?  Would that limit OT's O, by having two lob guys in each other's way.  But if Toppin can hit his 3's ...
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« Reply #11636 on: April 01, 2020, 01:35:08 PM »

I think if we go in the Haliburton or Hayes direction that Dennis or Frank becomes the starter - and the rookie gets sub 20 minutes per off the bench.
Didnt include Mannion because his dad says he isnt declaring.

MAXEY of Kentucky is a guy who may rise.  COULD be good enough to start at the 2 with Barrett at the 3.

Smith
Maxey/Barrett
Barrett/Harkless
Randle/Harkless
Robinson/Randle

Frank
Knox
Brazdekis
big
big

- but I am still looking at top lead guard or BIG with the first selection. Would loove to have something to use in rotation with Mitch and Julius


Speaking of JR - Hoopshype had the info recently that Knicks WERE ready to move Randle to get Terry Rozier and Malik Monk.  D Smith and a pick would have been included - Hornets eventually nixing it.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11637 on: April 01, 2020, 04:43:58 PM »

Watching Obi wan keToppin highlights.
Well, I can see the Amare / JohN Collins comps.
On O, OT is dynamic and aggressive and runs the floor well.
On D, he's pretty inept.  Bad at both perimeter and post D.
I guess the most enticing thing is if he can shoot the 3 ball well, combined with his other O.  Looks like pretty good form.  Interesting player.

Could Toppin pay the 4 next to Mitch, who could help out on D by covering whichever opponent big is most threatening?  Would that limit OT's O, by having two lob guys in each other's way.  But if Toppin can hit his 3's ...

The Toppin - Robinson frontcourt would be epic. He’d have a year behind Randle to figure out the NBA pace, spacing, and D. If you give Mitch the high pick and roll which teams already need to help on, it leaves Toppin open on the baseline for dives and corner 3’s.

I like the idea of picking up a guard in the second round when guys like Prichard, Flynn, and the senior from MSU will probably still be around.

Aside from Ball, Hayes, and Anthony Edwards the backcourt talent falls off into the mid lottery and the talent there is more in the wings and the bigs.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11638 on: April 01, 2020, 05:06:54 PM »

Elfrid Payton has started 331 of 387 career games
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« Reply #11639 on: April 01, 2020, 05:23:54 PM »

Elfrid Payton has started 331 of 387 career games

25
35
29
25 / 21
33
21

That's how many games his teams have won each year.

And he's been on 4 teams in the last 3 years.

If Elf is your starting PG, your team is in trouble.
He's a quality backup.  Who can spot start.
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