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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

Make a counter-argument.

Find a team or two with less promise.

Hope left with KZ ...

Not gonna go Negative Nancy vs Debbie Downer with you.  That's your specialty alone.

[bodiddley]

I think with better supporting personnel Randle and Barrett would give opponents FITS at the (Knicks) offensive end.

Neither are consistent.  Neither have effective range.  No closer.

I think we are at least a 40-win team with Payton, Ball, Barrett, Randle, Robinson, Harkless, Ntlikina and one or two more additions, and with a steady coaching staff.

6 core guys who can't make a 3.  Must be some kind of 2010's record.

Ball would help, but likely we don't get him.
And we still need to find a steady coaching staff.

Last 6 years Knix have averaged 24.5 W's
Being negative has been = to being realistic the past half dozen years.

[kiidcarter8]

Yes.  But I dont think the 24.5 win average should be mentioned as we move forward.  Has zero to do with the upcoming season

[kiidcarter8]

The last 21 games Marcus Morris played for us we were 10-11

All told, while with us MM missed 8 games, in which we won ONE.

Yes, adding just ONE player of renown and a hot rookie will do wonders.

[kiidcarter8]

Ball would help, but likely we don't get him.


Should we try, by using future picks?

[bodiddley]

Sure it's relevant.
We'll still have many of the same (not exactly winning) players on our roster.
We'll still have a lot of turnover and a new system which foster 24.5 Win seasons.
I don't see any significant break with the recent past on the horizon to change the trajectory much. 

[bodiddley]

Ball would help, but likely we don't get him.
Should we try, by using future picks?

I don't know enough about Ball to make such a call.
It would have been worth it for Ja Morant.

If the brass feels Ball is a sure thing starting PG, it's probably worth moving up for. Of course it depends on Knick draft position and what else could be had there.
But damn are we desperate for a legit PG.  Could/would change our long-term outlook.

[kiidcarter8]

Scoring guard.  Not necessarily the point.

[kiidcarter8]

By the way, I had Barrett as a 14 point scorer first year.  He ends up at 14.3

At 19 years of age

14/5/2.5/1

How many in NBA history?

40/32/61 percentages most likely won't continue for too long

[chipstern]

Rose believes Perry is the guy to make the picks, but Perry knows he’s gonna be replaced.


Stop already

Knicks have always been a collective voice - Perry's won't be louder than others

but then ONE GUY is responsible for the pick.

Historically, this is not correct.

On his way out the door House Negro AFFIRMATIVE ED TAPSCOTT passed on a player he palpably felt to be way to Street Negro for his sensibilities, passing on hometown firebrand RON ARTEST (and another defensive stalwart whose name escapes me) to choose Frederich Weis.  In summer league the refs were experimenting with a soon to be discredited experiment in calling fouls, Weis was flabbergasted, and with what remained of the kids gonads, JVG very publicly eviscerated him. 

That being the case, while Scott Perry may be the public face of the Knicks going into the summer, YOU CAN FUCKING BELIEVE that Rose will cast the deciding vote after hearing from all of his wise men. 

[kiidcarter8]

Word.

[bodiddley]

Do you think RJB had a good or successful rookie season?

The only thing encouraging about his shooting %'s is that his Home #'s were fine: 44.2% FG and 34% on 3's (with a crappy 60% FT). His Road splits were terrible.

Jan & Mar he shot 75% FT.  But also had 3 months at 56% or less.

Oddly on 8 games which were the back end of B2B's (ie zero days rest) RJB shot 45.8% on 3's and 79% FT.   After 1 day off, 34% on 3's, 60% FT in 35 games. 

In 13 games with 2 or more days rest, RJB was atrocious.
In 8 games with 2 days off, RJB was off: 33% FG / 19% on 3's / 56% FT (and I rounded all those up).  3 days off: 23% 3's & 52% FT (5 games).  Yikes.

I'm not sure what all that is about.  But his Road splits and games with extra rest make me wonder about his focus and preparation.  But it takes time to learn how to be a pro.

What's odd is RJB started the season 7-13 on 3's in his first 3 games.  In G4 when he missed a pair of 3's, he put up 19 / 15 & 5 in NYK's first W of the year v. the Bulls.  After those first 3 games, RJB shot 30.4% on 3's the rest of the season.

Early season, RJB was bullying smaller G's for profit.  Teams adjusted.
RJB is a good athlete with decent skills.  Hopefully he works hard and develops well.

[kiidcarter8]

I don't micro analyze it like that.

YES is the answer.

But he will need to get better.  I project that he will.

[kiidcarter8]

Barrett's 3-shooting was much more effective than his 2s.

189 points on 197 attempts   (0.96)

vs

458 on 530 attempts from 2 pt range   (0.86)

[kiidcarter8]

4.5-5 3 attempts per game for Barrett next year (took 3.5 this year) - at a 34% clip

And he ticks up to 16.5 ppg at age 20.