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How Should the Basketball "Topics" Be Arranged?

Knicks, NBA, College
- 3 (50%)
Knicks, Other Basketball
- 0 (0%)
NBA, College
- 1 (16.7%)
Basketball
- 0 (0%)
Leave it as it is
- 2 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: August 30, 2020, 02:57:14 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13530 on: September 26, 2020, 02:23:56 PM »

MIA outplayed BOS the 1st half but didn't have much of a lead.  I thought that was a bad sign for the Heat.

Theis really got going 2nd half.
Besides the very good D, Smart and Tatum were making nice passes, Jaylen was hitting, and Tatum was getting to the line.  BOS also picked apart the zone quite well.
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« Reply #13531 on: September 26, 2020, 11:51:11 PM »

I am ALL IN on Jerami Grant

Yes Siree...now THAT's A Stertch 4-3

Kevin Knox, take note. 

Not sure he's leaving Denver.  Cap/tax issues, but why would they?  Yes Jerami would be my first choice to replace either Randle  Potis/Gibson and/or Randle. 

Please note: I DO NOT WANT to dump Randle.  Or Knox.  Kentucky in the house. 

However, at 6'7" 250, my second choice might be more obtainable, realistically speaking

Montrezl Harrell


Has the body, and scale, and edgy physical impact, if not the giddy athleticism of a Zion Williamson a Larry Johnson. 

Okay, Paul Milsap.  The ghost of Wes Unseld.  Still maturing at 26.  A defender and a fierce inside presence. 

Obviously Grant has more length, more versatlity, and that Stretch 4-3 range you like in a Bertrans or a Gallinari. 

Oh, and that BIG 3 RANGE.

But Harrell is unrestricted and available and he wants OUT of L.A.  He's had a belly full of Paul George, is on the final years of a $6 million contract and while one would hope his price was reasonable, would anyone here have a problem putting him in the Tak Gibson-Bobby Portis $10-15 million x per range? 

While Jerami would give us coverage at the 4-3-2, Harrell would give us coverage at the 4-5. 

Assuming, just for the sake of argument, that we let Potis and Gibson walk [leaving the door open for a return on a friendler deal],

Center-Power Forward: Robinson, Randle, Harrell, Wooten
Power Forward-Small Forward: Knox, Brazdeikis, [Draft Pick?]
Small Forward-Shooting Guard: Barrett, Bullock, Dotson [Draft Pick?]
Shooting Guard-Point Guard: Ntilikna, Smith, Harper [Draft Pick?]

That's 12 right there and three remaining roster spots for draft picks or free agents. 

I don't think we have a shot at Van Vleet.  The over under on Grant is better, but Denver is building something.  Not sure they are that penny wise and pound foolish. 

Harrell is a DAWG, and having him and a dawg like Wooten, presumably after Randle either passes his doctoral thesis or moves on, gives us some tough, physical players down low. 

Meanwhile, while Melo's return would, along with Gibson, have a feel good, mentor quality, I think he says in Portland, thank God. 

Gallinari.  Always liked his game, and he has grown.  Certainly fills a need.  He is 32, and has serious miles on the odometer.  Makes sense, if we are detemined to get a stretch 4-3 to replace Potis, and we can't get Grant, or Anthony Mason.  His three point shooting and free throw shooting are state of the art. His overall FG% not that gaudy.  Nor will he come cheap.  Nor will Grant or Harrell, but a level or so below. 

But my vote is Harrell. 

MEANWHILE....


Meanwhile, when Coach Thibs goes to bed at night, a betcha he gets a woody and the night sweats, as images of sugar plau fairies, Jimmy Butler and R.J. Barrett conflate in his reverie. 

PS: Most of the trades I read on line are ridiculous.  I like Ball, but three #1 picks and French Frank.  No. 

PPS: The roster listed above, and if we sign Harrell?  Vassell would be sweet at the 8-spot. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13532 on: September 26, 2020, 11:55:41 PM »

Fuck the Lakers
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13533 on: September 26, 2020, 11:58:36 PM »

Fuck the Lakers

Well, now...

LeBron certainly made a statement. 

So did Denver. 

On the big stage.  They'll be back. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13534 on: September 27, 2020, 12:52:37 AM »

Grant doesn't pass

Grant doesn't board.

But sure - let's have the effort guy.
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« Reply #13535 on: September 27, 2020, 01:01:28 AM »

On the other hand....

Good length and wingspan and athleiticism.  Nice DNA as well. 

Jerami DEFENDS multiple positions, and shoots a high percentage of 3s.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13536 on: September 27, 2020, 03:15:27 AM »

Jerami Grant could be had if we hand him 4 years for 80 or so. Iíd do that dumping Portis and Ellington to free up the cash. Thatís talent consolidation if the player is willing to come on. If we do it as a sign and trade so they waive Portis and Ellington, Iím fine with that as well.

One of Deni Onyeka Devin Killian with 8 & see how the rest of draft night goes.

We can still free up more money to pursue other FAís or absorb a very expensive PG for Randle and possibly some change kind of deal.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13537 on: September 27, 2020, 05:58:04 AM »

4/$80 for Gen Grant?  Yikes!  No from Bo.
I would be nervous at 4/$60M.  Was hoping more around $12.5M - $14M per.
3/$50M would be the top end I'd consider, and I probably wouldn't do that.

I'm a Montrezl fan.  One of those guys who gets others to play harder so they don't look bad by comparison.  He has limits, but so does Grant.
I like Grant and think he can expand his game, but worry about consistency and a little light in the seat for playing 4's.  But a terrific effort guy.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13538 on: September 27, 2020, 10:38:56 AM »

I'm a Montrezl fan.  One of those guys who gets others to play harder so they don't look bad by comparison.  He has limits, but so does Grant.


Like Jordan Hill
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13539 on: September 27, 2020, 11:22:26 AM »

I'm a Montrezl fan.  One of those guys who gets others to play harder so they don't look bad by comparison.  He has limits, but so does Grant.


Like Jordan Hill
If there are any social researchers here that would like a paradigm of somebody incapable of admitting error, I have a great candidate.
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« Reply #13540 on: September 27, 2020, 12:10:33 PM »

I'm a Montrezl fan.  One of those guys who gets others to play harder so they don't look bad by comparison.  He has limits, but so does Grant.


Like Jordan Hill
If there are any social researchers here that would like a paradigm of somebody incapable of admitting error, I have a great candidate.

Poor Chamaco has some sort of disability. He just canít see that that horse has been dead for a long time, so he keeps beating on it.

It may be a new and as yet unexplored disability. Maybe we should name it The Chamaco Disability, and then let the experts do their research.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13541 on: September 27, 2020, 12:17:57 PM »

Just to remind YG - I was WITH THE MASSES in 2009 in wishing to deal up for Curry.

Some here liked Thabeet and Flynn, both taken ahead of Steph

heh

In not being able (or willing - you can give some info for a change on this if you like, YG) to deal up, taking Hill was fine with me, yes. I liked him as an All American collegian and he played well for us vs expectation as a rook at 22


JH played just 24 games for us and yielded McGrady, who in theory could have been better for us

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« Reply #13542 on: September 27, 2020, 01:15:12 PM »

I'm a Montrezl fan.  One of those guys who gets others to play harder so they don't look bad by comparison.  He has limits, but so does Grant.


Like Jordan Hill
If there are any social researchers here that would like a paradigm of somebody incapable of admitting error, I have a great candidate.

Poor Chamaco has some sort of disability. He just canít see that that horse has been dead for a long time, se he keeps beating on it.

It may be a new and as yet unexplored disability. Maybe we should name it The Chamaco Disability, and then let the experts do their research.

He's really 2nd worst, not worst. And it's not even close.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #13543 on: September 27, 2020, 01:59:01 PM »

Well, we all have players we like who don't pan out for whatever reason.  I thought Julian Wright was a potential all-star wing.  And thought Biedrins could do much of what Gobert has done.  (At least I was an early Gobert proponent).

I'm still pulling for Stan Johnson who is a very good defender and terrific in the open court.  Hopefully he can find somewhere he can play more. 

Kiid just more of a barnacle type than most.
And Hill didn't play well for us in 1/3 of a season.  44% FG for an interior big is not good.  And he was jittery on defense.

Montrezl otoh has a career 61% FG and averaged 17.5 Pts over the past two season.  He does need to improve his weak FT shooting.
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« Reply #13544 on: September 27, 2020, 02:02:34 PM »

It's a compulsion.

Purporting to see ANY parallels between Hill and Harrell. 

Didn't play more than 16 fucking minutes a game until his 5th season. 

In his second and third season for the botttom dwelling Lakers:

9.7 ppg/7.4 reb
12.0 ppg/7.9 reb/1.5 ass [Age 27, 26.8. 21-61 record]

One for more season for the Pacers. 

8.8 ppg/6.2 reb/1.2 ass

Gone.

One final season for the Wolves (well, 7 games) and out of the league at 29 with a career .499 FG%

Harrell?

Differrent body.  Different game. Different progression.  Steady progression.  SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT. 

In Harrell's 2019-2020/5th season?  [Age 26, 27.8 minutes, 49-23 record]

18.6 ppg/7.1 reb/1.7 ass

Different bodies, different games, significantly different impact on the won-loss record. 

Dumber than a bag of hair. 

Anyway, got the attention you crave, so well-played, dead horse wise. 
 
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