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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[FWK00]

Frank's -4.1 PER moves to.....




-8.6

ELFRID now at -4.2
Dennis a +1.8
Quickley moves to 18.6 while not playing - not sure how,

BURKS is our best PG

Seriously?  You are comparing garbage time only stats to "could have made a difference" stats.

Elfrid and Dennis sure look superior to Frankie's - what - 3 minutes of nobody cares time.

Please.

[FWK00]

Which has lasted longer:
a. Knicks search for a legit pg
b. war in Afghanistan
c. war on drugs

you get the point (pun intended). 

Yes Quickly will help when he is back on the court, but the Knicks need two PGs (who needs two, who needs two...).  Payton is not a starting PG -period.  DSJ is not an NBA backup.  Franc is not a PG. I give Burks  credit for pitching in,  but c'mon.   

It  is not a secret how badly the knicks need a  real starting PG.  So am I wondering what Rose's - and his huge braintrust - plan is, their vision?   

This situation sort of reminds me of Gettlemen's tenure with the Jints.  When he came on all he talked about was improving the O line - which everyone knew was essential.  And it took him three years to finally get to it.  Him and his hog mollies...idiot...

Rose had cap space and picks and should have addressed the PG issue at the top, not toppin. A solution - well understanding that most top tier FAs are simply not coming to NY,  maybe be creative.   Bo's suggestion that drafting both Halliburton and Quickly and then unloading either DSJ or Franc,  for Chip's proverbial bag of beans, is, if nothing else, creative, naively optimistic, and outside the box. 

Going with Payton, DSJ, and bringing in Quickly - who can play with or off the play,  is not thinking but merely going through the motions - it took no effort or deep thinking to do that.

We shoulda/coulda drafted one more player late in the draft - a shooter - any shooter (see Miami)

Payton NEVER, EVER, EVER should have been resigned.  Kadeem Allen should have been retained long before that haywire idea was ever considered.

This off season, Rubio should have been traded for virtually regardless of cost Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, and a parade of minor PGs could have been signed/traded for BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO....

Also, the Knicks don't so much need a PG as they need a strategy to uniquely deploy the talent they had/have on this team. Players who leave usually do quite well elsewhere - maybe it ain't the players.

[kidcarter8]

Frank's -4.1 PER moves to.....




-8.6

ELFRID now at -4.2
Dennis a +1.8
Quickley moves to 18.6 while not playing - not sure how,

BURKS is our best PG

Seriously?  You are comparing garbage time only stats to "could have made a difference" stats.

Elfrid and Dennis sure look superior to Frankie's - what - 3 minutes of nobody cares time.

Please.

Frank Ntlikina, relative to the league, stinks

Live with it.

[lesterluv]

lol, lol, lol, we'll measure Frankie after he gets some measurable run.

your boys Elf & DSjr. have had quite a bit and both smell worse than Herman Cain's cadaver.

Die with it!

[Kam]

THIBS likes defense.  Frank plays defense.  So if THIBS aint playing Frank that should speak volumes. 

[lesterluv]

Thibs is already waiting on permission from "external events department" to play Quickley. He can only have so many permission requests in the queue at one time, lol. Hang on.

[kidcarter8]

THIBS likes defense.  Frank plays defense.  So if THIBS aint playing Frank that should speak volumes.

McD beat him back door quite easily

Cant check Dougie - and thats your calling card?

Sad.

Sadder still is Leon not dealing Frank, though 2 possibilities could see him off the hook

1)  Ntlikina really does have ZERO trade value
2)  Leon is holding him back for a deal later this winter or a sign and trade (heh) situation pre-2021-22

[lesterluv]

we so sad, lol...so sad

speaking of sad...clips...damn, Rick Carlisle...don't hurt 'em too bad.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mavericks-50-point-lead-at-half-vs-clippers-marks-largest-halftime-deficit-in-nba-shot-clock-era/

[kidcarter8]

Also, the Knicks don't so much need a PG as they need a strategy to uniquely deploy the talent they had/have on this team. Players who leave usually do quite well elsewhere - maybe it ain't the players.


This is pretty funny - but you dos ee examples across the league

Campazzo of Denver and Boston's Pritchard are 2 guys who early on are being asked to stand ina  corner.

Will teams let the young points point?

[bodiddley]

And yes, if Toppin pops as expected I think they can exist together

I don't.
Julius & ObiT are 4's with good O weak D.
Neither look like C's or SF's to me (sure can go that for spot minutes)

[FWK00]

Also, the Knicks don't so much need a PG as they need a strategy to uniquely deploy the talent they had/have on this team. Players who leave usually do quite well elsewhere - maybe it ain't the players.


This is pretty funny - but you dos ee examples across the league

Campazzo of Denver and Boston's Pritchard are 2 guys who early on are being asked to stand ina  corner.

Will teams let the young points point?

Yes, more or less.

The Knicks have limited talent.  Instead of trying to fit square pegs in round holes take advantage of what each player does best and work on low hanging improvements to make them more complete players.

Frank doesn't have to be the long term PG, so what?

He can't be worse in the short term than what we're witnessing.

[bodiddley]

Over the last few years we haven't had pure shooters.  Long gone are the days of Starks, Houston ...

When Jerryang is lamenting not having an Allan Houston, you know things are bad ...

Hey, we never got our Win Total Predictions done.
A rushed pre-season and just 72 games makes it a bit weird.

We were never going to beat IND & PHI, so i don't think it's too late.
I'm gonna roll with 24-48.
Winning 1 of 3 doesn't seem too hard to do.
(25 W's if we trade Randle . . .  that's just to rile Chip)

Kind of embarrassing we're running another year without a starting PG.
Elf will get better, but Franc and Jr. Smith won't.  Franc simply isn't a PG.

Biggest excitement this year is Quickly.
Quicks erstwhile college running mate, Maxey looked interesting for PHI.
He was rushing things, but you can see he has some craft (and quicks).

[Kam]

Anyone know what play Toppin got hurt?

[Kam]

Ntilikina missed New York's final two exhibitions with a sore left Achilles' tendon, so maybe he's just not ready.

 

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Frank doesn't have to be the long term PG, so what?

He can't be worse in the short term than what we're witnessing.

You're asking that he be inserted to play PG when you compare him to our other PGs.

So he better be better than our other options.

Through injury, inactivity, or both he hasn't shown Thibs enough yet.

If Frankie were killing the other juys in practice he would be playing.  Period.

[bankshot1]

Kid can you expand upon or clarify your statement below, in particular re Pritchard?  So far he's been given decent PT, plays with a lot of confidence, perhaps more than he should, and has a decent court sense for rookie (ie he doesn't look hopelessly out of position).  I think as he matures he coulld be a decent 2-way bench guy.   

Campazzo of Denver and Boston's Pritchard are 2 guys who early on are being asked to stand ina  corner.