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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

kiid: The stroke has certainly improved quite nicely since.

Reality: Burks shot between 40% FG and 41% FG each of the last 6 years.

Why post unsubstantiated crapola?
Why cry when someone actually posts the numbers to disprove your assertion?

I have no idea how Burks will be used.
Maybe he'll have a Rodney Hood breakout year out of nowhere.
Likely not.  POR has a nicely structured team, even Melo fit in well there.

I prefer Rivers, who has some ballhandling ability, and Bullox who plays better D and doesn't need many shots to Burks jacking routine.  I'd probably go with scrubbini, but should be better than Ellington (another player I never cared for).
Really, I'd prefer Dotson, and think Burks is around his level, able to show flashes but not consistency.  If Burks starts, we're in trouble, and he'll lead the team in FGA's unless Thibs directs otherwise.

heh

[carlos123]

Wow!
22 bounds tonight, to go with 3 assists to boot.
And Melo with 22 points for a +15.
They still lost by 3 to OKC 🤣

PS. Chamaco, heh ... what???

[bodiddley]

Well, that's almost exactly what I've been saying all along.

Though with the emergence of Quickly, Rivers might be less necessary.  Though Thibs was using Rivers as a supporting G for IQ.

I prefer(red) Datsun because he's younger and I've been getting tired of all these one-and-done Knix.  It's nice to see growth and continuity, and not get worn down rooting for a lot of Noah Vonlehs who won't be back.  We had Trier and Dot and I was hoping one would be a 3+ year Knick.  It's hard to evaluate Dot's CLE numbers because he's played too many minutes and out of position as starting PG while Cavs have had lots of G injuries.

I'm glad Bollocks is back for the continuity and steady play.  Last year was a rough time for him, and he seems like a good guy and hard worker.  I am concerned about his limited dribbling ability, which I don't recall being so pronounced last year.

But yeah, I was worried Burks might gun too much, and now I want him to shoot more open 2's when he is hesitating and passing for no gain.  Give him credit for trying to fit in (and when in doubt getting the ball to Uncle Julius).  I also like that in all but the last game Burks has gotten to the FT line.  A good way to get extra points when your shot is off, and making FT's can help a shooter get his shot on track.
Burks has played well on O, an hopefully will get the hang of the team D schemes.

[bodiddley]

So far I agree with basically all Thibs lineup moves.
Mitch starting over Nawlins
Randle over Toppings
RJB
Bullocks over Burks/Knox
Elf over Quicks

Quick getting as many minutes as he can handle.

The defense has clear directives:

1. Fill the strong side on PnR's with everybody collapsing to crowd into the paint.
The wings need to close out quickly on weak side shooters when the ball gets rotated.
So it's RJB and Bollcoks (and Rivers) flying out on shooters, and Randle gets to stay at home down low.  Which helps Julius end possessions with rebounds, keeps him from picking up fouls and keeps him fresh for O.

2. Go over every screen and follow/trail the ballhandler.  This largely takes away simple open 3's resulting from screens.  But also players know what to do and what their teammate who gets screened will do.  It puts pressure on the ballhandler because NYK will collapse in front of him with his man trailing.  In concert with #1 above it mainly results in kicks to the weak side which our wings are expecting and ready to close out on.

There was a play in POR 3Q I think, where Knox skinnied himself and slithered around the pick, so Lillard dribbled back and reused the pick, and sure enough Knox went over the reused pick too.  I have seen little of guys running into and dying on picks, or going under picks.  I assume you do that and you're likely to get yanked and yelled at.

3. I like the Knix G's applying some fullcourt pressure.  This is mainly Quickly, but Elf as well.  You get a random steal now and then (such as Elf pickpocketing Lillard just over half court).  but it uses up the opp's PG energy and focus.  And it slows down the pace, so that your D is set and only has to defend for a shorter time.
I'm not sure if there is a pattern for when the Knix do this or if it's just a sometimes surprise.

The two areas where the D needs work:

1. transition D where we frequently lose guys completely, especially on the left side it seems.
It appears Thibs' transition D rule is to wall off the ballhandler in the center of the court.  But that's not effective if a guy goes unguarded on the side.

2. Man D where a quick player drives hard.  When it's not PnR and a player just beats his man, NYK doesn't have an opp to build a strong side wall, and only Mitch/Noah are credible help defenders in the paint.

But overall the Knix have been working hard on D, know what they are supposed to do, and slow down the game.

[chipstern]

It occurs to me that for fucking ONCE, the Gods were looking over the Knicks. 

Could Quickley be our own version of Donovan Mitchell. 

DM listed as a SG, but really a combo guard.

IQ listed as a PG, but really a combo guard. 

DM is 24 years old, 6'0", 215 pounds.   

IQ is 21 years old, 6'3", 190 pounds. 

Both excellent on and off the ball, deadly 3-pt shooters, and superb FT shooters. 

Okay, DM is in his fourth season, and IQ has a long ways to go in terms of production and consistency to be in that discussion, my own enthusiasm notwithstanding. 

But thinking about tonight's game, the DM/IQ connection occurred to me. 

Think I'm crazy? 

Oh, PS: Says here that Shaq and Sir Charles are really dickish in their pisstakes on DM.   

[kidcarter8]

Heh

Just checked in with HoopsHype and saw the funniest headline

MVP race - Donovan Mitchell enters the picture.

[kidcarter8]

Knicks have inquired about D Rose

https://www.radio.com/wfan/sports/knicks/derrick-rose-has-two-early-suitors-on-the-trade-market

[Kam]

Frank Ntilikina to the rebuilding Pistons who will decide what he is worth in free agency for Derrick Rose. 

Make the move now so the Knicks have time to deal Payton to a playoff team seeking backcourt depth.

[kidcarter8]

We have to outbid the Clippers.

So that's your offer?

[kidcarter8]

Since we are losing at least 2 backcourt guys next year - maybe taking on Rodney McGruder's 5+ mil for 21-22 helps Pistons - and may be something Clippers wont do.

Rose and McGruder combined make about 13 mil

DET took McGruder as part of the Kennard deal where they got back Saddiq Bey as the key piece (3=way with Nets, LAC).

[kidcarter8]

DET

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html

NY

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

payrolls

Knox/McGruder is a match in $ and years

So Knox/Ntlikina makes some sense for DET if we add a pick

Ge tback Derrick and Rodney

[Kam]

Austin Rivers is the man!

[lesterluv]

We offer NOTHING for Rose

*** been there, done that, no thanks

**** Well if Elf is part of the deal we are ALL OVER IT

[Kam]

Why call a time-out with 2.4 left on the 3rd to draw up that play?

[kidcarter8]

Put a tent over this (early 4th quarter) circus.