New management teams greatest attribute is not following BoD's suggestions.
Haliburton notwithstanding. I was banging the drum for him pretty consistently, and to a lesser extent, Vassell and Lewis. Never saw Obi as an option at #8. Though clearly Obi was predicated on Randle being a 40/60 proposition, on his way out of town. I always looked forward to you explaining what a POS Julius was.
Oh, I seem to recall you thinking that Atkinson was a much better choice than Thibs.
Likewise, your stance this summer was that the Knicks had blown it because they were not making lots of dramatic moves. I keep bringing up BB because it broke your heart that we had not made A BIG SPLASH in free agency, and in no aspect of the game as Bogs exceeded Burks. Oh, Bogs was hurt? Sniffle. So was Burks. I agreed with you on Christian Woods, and not sure why he wasn't interested in us, or vicea versa. Noels not nearly as sexy, but has been a solid sender. Also, not sure Woods was projected so much as a C, as a PF. Injuries notwithstanding, Woods is a player. So is Bogs. Always liked him, but at 4 X $18? I liked Bertrans too, but at 5 x $18?
Rose's Knicks have been notable in not giving away the store or swining wildly for the fences on second tier players or bidding against themselves on first tiers. And clearly Neon Leon had serious designs on Chris Paul, which I was of two minds on, but that ended with the pandemic, and just as clearly Paul has indeed wielded a transformational magic wand in Phoenix.
Van Vleet? I too would have tossed $85 million at him, but clearly he was never in play. Hayward? Apparently we
were in play, but once things got above $25 let alone to 4 x $30, we demurred.
And yes, I was excited about Phool, guilty as charged, for sure, but the bloom came off of that flower soon enough.
Jackson-Fisher/Rambis/Hornacek
Rose + Plus/Thibs + Plus?
DO NO HARM
As for your lofty perspective in predictably poohpoohing the Rivers Trade, unlike Phool and General Mills, Rivers was not publically pilloried when he fell out of both Thibs' rotation and Thibs' favor, but they dilligently looked to find a soft landing for him, and for OKC and Philly it was much about shuffling the decks and paperwork and trade exceptions and late second rounders as it was for us.
We didn't accomplish anything?
Oh, let's see,
$10 million coming off the cap this summer. I like many Knicks fans took a childish delight in Iggy, but he was going nowhere behing Bullock and Burks, let alone RJ and Knox in the 3 & D role.
As for Ferguson and Poirier, clearly Rose + Aller + Perry + Perrin + Thibs saw those
TWO OPEN ROSTER SPACES being of some value in the here and now as we attempt to sustain a playoff push.
And we received
TWO # 2 picks in he deal. One from Philly this year and one Philly owns of Miami's is protected through #55, coming due in 2024 as I recollect.
Again, oh, ag-o-Knee, but BO IS NOT IMPRESSED. A late second rounder impresses simple minded Chip.
Duly noted.
Worth noting that Philly's #2 pick is presently situated at #46, and could conceivably dip deeper, as Philly is a really good team. Then again, if Embid has more injury problems, God Forbid, as he was having an MVP season, who knows. And Detroit's #2 is slotted at #32.
Just out of curiosity, are there anythings of note worth kvelling about at #46, let alone at #32, above and beyond the obvious packaging second rounders together in lieu of getting better draft position as we did this past fall with Quickley?
Jordan Clarkson went at #46
Norman Powell went at #46
Matt Barnes went at #46
Danny Green went at #46
Sterling Brown went at #46 [Huh? A 6'5" role player in his fourth year as a pro, currently converting 73-182 treys at a .401% clip for the Rockets and in his few forays to the FT line, at .909%]
Lou Williams and Goran Dragic at #45. Nico Mannion at #48.
So your disdain duly noted, it would seem that Philly's 2021 #2 pick might apparently/conceivably not be a COMPLETELY useless, symbolic gesture.
The 2024 pick might indeed trend more towards the symbolic, even if Manu Ginnobli famously went at #57, though those days of low hanging fruit from Euro/International players is long past. And everyone's fave, Isaiah Thomas at #60. Shake Milton at #54.
Now it goes without saying that your scouting has to be spot on to find such jewells in the middle of the second round.
But Walt Perrin displayed great wisdom and insight in his years evaluation talent for the Jazz.
https://dailyknicks.com/2020/05/20/ny-knicks-walt-perrin-utah-jazz-top-draft-picks/He is now doing it for the Knicks. CJ Miles and Paul Milsap were amongst his second round reaches. And famously, when we picked Frank at #8, and Dallas Dennis at #9, Perrin lobbied the Jazz to trade up with Denver to select Donovan Mitchell at #13.
In his present incarnation, as part of Team Rose, Obi at #8 and Quickley at #25? Clearly Obi is struggling and Quicks us over achieving, though Payne and WWW would argue otherwise. Of course, IQ gets to see way more daylight than Obi, who is playing behind an allstar and on a very short leash.
Admittedly the Knicks would do well to reference the collected wisdom of Facil and BoD and Kiid and the Chipster, but so far they are at 24-22, when Chip cautiously predicted 33-39, and what did Bo project? Someone want to refresh my Mammaries?
So, baby steps, but, your sense that they whiffed on free agency and the Rivers transaction notwithstanding, we can mark it down as progress, and hope, if not presume, that Philly's pick if not Miami's, might prove useful in some wayshapeform.
Stay positive Bo.
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