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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18165 on: April 15, 2021, 03:21:04 AM »

This was the perfect season to become a solid respectable team, as the East is very much in flux.  Only really 3 strong teams in the East: PHI, MIL, BKY.
And if Embiid isn't 100% or BKY is missing Harden (or any 2 of it's Big 3), then those teams are vulnerable.

Half of last year's playoff teams BOS, IND, MIA, TOR have all fallen off.
Expect one to get rolling or be playoff-ready.  But that still just makes perhaps 4 strong teams (without injuries).

ATL, NYK, CHA have all risen.  Taking advantage of the changing of the guard.
When healthy ATL has a deep talented young team. 
Knix a defensive juggernaut, with enough offense if Uncle Julius remains ambulatory.
CHA has a tough road with Ball out and Hayward to likely miss the rest of the regular season.  Bad luck for them (though no real surprise if Haywire or say Gallo get injured).

A good year to get our ish together.
Also last year was a deep strong draft, so good we got to turns.
This draft seems a bit less (?)  I havent really followed it at all
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« Reply #18166 on: April 15, 2021, 09:13:35 AM »

Didn't see the game, but 5 fouls in 42 minutes for Randle put me in mind of an idea in the back of my head for weeks.  Teams know that Julius is going to play close to 40 mins and is the key to the Knick offense.  So why don't they go at Randle and force him to play defense, trying to tag fouls on him or just wear him down further for the 4Q?

Randle is also probably our weakest defender, especially in space.  I'd put him in PnR's, hunt him some on switches, etc.  A little over 1 minute left in the Memf game, Randle had 5 fouls, was iso-ed on Morant, and Ja passed off without challenging Randle at all.  Randle in foul trouble (or worn down) would seem to be a good blueprint for defeating the Knix.  And having your best scorers going at the other team's weakest defenders is an age-old plan.

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« Reply #18167 on: April 15, 2021, 11:31:08 AM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18168 on: April 15, 2021, 11:39:09 AM »

This draft seems a bit less (?)  I havent really followed it at all


Solid draft this year

But we should be taking the 2 number 1s and trying to move up.  Identifying a team in which to do this is the next step.
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« Reply #18169 on: April 15, 2021, 11:39:24 AM »

Good player.  Good career.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18170 on: April 15, 2021, 11:41:04 AM »

42 minutes for Julius?  Mon Dieu'!  How was he even walking let alone making plays in the second half?

Thibs has taken forum advice and gone the other way with it

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« Reply #18171 on: April 15, 2021, 11:48:30 AM »

Good player.  Good career.

Once Kyrie wandered away, he probably said screw it I don't need this ish.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18172 on: April 15, 2021, 12:10:02 PM »

The butt stomping Drummond put on LMA foreshadowed what he was up against in the playoffs.



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« Reply #18173 on: April 15, 2021, 12:37:56 PM »

A man of 35 is young by any measure, save hoops. 

Enjoy your family and kids. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18174 on: April 15, 2021, 12:40:00 PM »

Bo is right though

I can see Aldridge saying, "It's different here - I'm out"

Proud product of Pop system leaves Nash asylum.

(No offense, Stevie-boy.  It's working)
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« Reply #18175 on: April 15, 2021, 12:45:39 PM »

Apparently had an irregular heartbeat, which worried him a lot.
Decided in favor of health and family.
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« Reply #18176 on: April 15, 2021, 02:44:43 PM »

Thibs flaws include grinding his vets into dust and not developing rooks.
Win now is good, and it will be nice to see the Knix in the playoffs.
But it'd also be nice to keep Randle fresh and healthy so we can do well in the playoffs.  And have ObiT gain experience and improve.
Need to balance short, medium and long term goals.

Harden was leading the NBA in minutes played.  Then his hammy went whammy.
Julius is averaging a league leading 37.1 mins per game (tied with Harden, but Harden has played 13 fewer games).
So Julius leading the league in total minutes played.
Is this wise?
Years past, HOU Harden used to play huge minutes, put up big numbers and bag W's in the regular season ... and then be worn down when the playoffs rolled around.

Lotta times Randle looks gassed in the 4Q, which doesn't help for that game and ups the risk of injury.  Compressed season doesn't help.
FVV 3rd in minutes per 36.1 -- out with a hip injury.
Jamaal Murray 10th with 35.5 mpg is crippled in the hospital.
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« Reply #18177 on: April 15, 2021, 03:52:29 PM »

Thibs flaws include grinding his vets into dust and not developing rooks.


Rubbish
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18178 on: April 15, 2021, 04:09:14 PM »

Lotta times Randle looks gassed in the 4Q, which doesn't help for that game and ups the risk of injury.  Compressed season doesn't help

You need to stop

Been proven wrong and choose to double down
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The Received Wisdom As To How Youth Is Not Served Under Thibs
« Reply #18179 on: April 15, 2021, 04:37:37 PM »

Thibs flaws include grinding his vets into dust and not developing rooks.
Win now is good, and it will be nice to see the Knix in the playoffs.
But it'd also be nice to keep Randle fresh and healthy so we can do well in the playoffs.  And have ObiT gain experience and improve.
Need to balance short, medium and long term goals.

Harden was leading the NBA in minutes played.  Then his hammy went whammy.
Julius is averaging a league leading 37.1 mins per game (tied with Harden, but Harden has played 13 fewer games).
So Julius leading the league in total minutes played.
Is this wise?
Years past, HOU Harden used to play huge minutes, put up big numbers and bag W's in the regular season ... and then be worn down when the playoffs rolled around.

Lotta times Randle looks gassed in the 4Q, which doesn't help for that game and ups the risk of injury.  Compressed season doesn't help.
FVV 3rd in minutes per 36.1 -- out with a hip injury.
Jamaal Murray 10th with 35.5 mpg is crippled in the hospital.

The RECEIVED WISDOM which holds that Thibs does not develp youth, is most definitely a cannard

One might even suggest it is HORSESHIT. 

Does he lean on his vets and force feed them minutes?  You bet. 

However, in terms of PLAYER DEVELOPMENT, be it youth or simply youthful, he developed Jimmy Butler quite nicely, let alone Noah...Gibson....Derek Rose. 

On the Knicks? 

Yes, all of the puppies are on a very short leash.  Particularly Obi [23], let alone Kevin [21] and Frank [22] and Jared [23]. 

However, R.J. [20] has made great strides as a soph, and Quickley [21] is a rotation player as a rookie.  Mitchell [22] was stepping up to the next plateau in terms of rim protection, shot blocking and self control vis a vis foul trouble, when he got hurt.

And again, there are YUTEs and then there are YOUNG PLAYERS, so puppies are NOT the only aspect of player development. 

Julius [26]
Nerlens [26]
Elfrid [27]

Playing better now than they were in December? 

You bet.  Playing better under Thibs than past coaches?  Mmmmm, there's a discussion there. 

Have Bullock [30] and Burks [29] raised their games?

Class? 

As for the graybeards, Rose [32] & Gibson [35], Thibs has created a safe house for them to make a significant contribution, even in the autumn of their years.  And Pelle [31] looks like he can give us some good coverage.

We are seriously competing in the playoff scrum, when the Vegas geniuses had us slotted for the bottom of the Lottery.  HELLO.

Yes Thibs is stubborn.  Yes he leans too much on his top tier players.  And while a case can be made as to dust grinding, in case you haven't noticed, D'Antoni got a pass for 7-8 man rotations, while Thibs has gone 10-Deep since day one. 

So in closing, Thibs IS surely developing youth, HAS instilled accoutability, and restored DEFENSE--not only back, but to a top tier level. 

THIBS IS A WINNER, and he has gotten the roster he was handed to buy into his passion, and put the work in to take it to the next level. 
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