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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[luee]

please, KK and Frankie for a bag of balls.

[kidcarter8]

Kevin and our #21 pick?  Okay.  Maybe sweeten with the #32 pick.  Maybe

Kevin AND Obi and #19 and #21?

NO THANK YOU.


Could be worse.  One deal in print had us getting T Prince and Love with Collin.  And giving up the farm.

heh

Would be interesting, adding the role players as re-signs.

note:  deal had us keeping Mitch and Julius.

[lesterluv]

The problem with getting good before you get great: the players that kick you over the top aren't available in the draft at 19.

True. You need a 15 to get a Giannis. Could be worse though — if we only had second rounders we might have to settle for a Jokic.

Stick your f'n picks, wherever they are

[facilitatorn]

Kevin, Obi, 21, & 32 would probably be my limit. I’d prefer Kevin, Obi, 21 & Dallas 2023, or Kevin, 19, & 21 instead. Any of those three combos and we are making out like bandits if Sexton works out for us. I’d sub Quickly for Obi, but then I’d also have to degrade the picks some because in terms of production over salary IQ has so far been the more valuable player though he’s probably easier to replace.

[Hairy Lime]

The problem with getting good before you get great: the players that kick you over the top aren't available in the draft at 19.

True. You need a 15 to get a Giannis. Could be worse though — if we only had second rounders we might have to settle for a Jokic.

Stick your f'n picks, wherever they are

Kawhi Leonard was a 15 as well. I did not mean that it can't be done, but that it is hard to do. Most drafts do not offer any players of that level that late. So you have to both have the player there and the ability to spot him - and.hope others don't spot him as well. Most years nailing the 15th pick gets you a good quality starter, but not a Robin for your Batman. And.to go back to the point, it is not worth while in the NBA for a team to trade picks for volume. It is much easier to nail your pick at 11 than at 19 and 21. It is a bad risk.

Note: what i thought was my point was.my point in a different post. My bad. As to the point from this point,.nailing the 19 means getting a good player,  but for most teams that will not make a.difference between a good team and a championship one.

[kidcarter8]

Isnt there any part of you concerned that any player that MIGHT come to Cleveland for 25+ mil per season (if there is any player) will not be as good for the bottom line as Sexton?

If it is a Sexton/Garland just doesnt gel thing isnt it wise to also think of moving Darius?

[Hairy Lime]

Isnt there any part of you concerned that any player that MIGHT come to Cleveland for 25+ mil per season (if there is any player) will not be as good for the bottom line as Sexton?

If it is a Sexton/Garland just doesnt gel thing isnt it wise to also think of moving Darius?

Me? I have limited trust in the Cavs management, unless we can get a game changing local talent to stay home, or return home, again I think we are doomed.

I think choosing Garland over Sexton is the right call, though.

[kidcarter8]

Good player - Garland

I wonder who would play the 2 guard if we made the deal with you guys without Barrett.

Dylan Windler, maybe?

[chipstern]

The notion that nothing good comes of mid to late first round draft picks, or second rounders, is such specious self serving horse shit, I would suggest you cease postings and instead follow your natural talents where you are best aligned, exercise your second amendment and racist inclinations and shoot up some Korean Nail Salons.  Then wait for the police to come and treat you to a Burger King lunch like they did for your Cousin, Dylan Roof. 

2011: #19 [Tobias Harris], #30 [Jimmy Butler],

2012: #20 [Evan Fournier], #26 [Miles Plumlee], #34 [Jae Crowder], #35 [Draymond Green] #39 [Kris Middleton], #40 [Will Barton]

2013: #15 [Giannis Antetokounmpo], #17 [Dennis Schröder], #24 [Timmy Hardaway], #25 [Reggie Bullock], #27 [Rudy Gobert]

2014: #25 [Clint Capella], #27 [Bogdan Bogdanović], #33 [Joe Harris], #34 [Cleanthony Early...]hahaha], #38 [Spencer Dinwiddie], #39 [Jerami Grant], #41 [Nikola Jokić], #45 [Dwight Powell], #46 [Jordan Clarkson]

2015: #22 [Bobby Portis], #27 [Larry Nance, JR], #32 [Montrezl Harrell], #41 [Pat Connaughton]

2016:  #19 [Malik Beasley], #20 [Caris LeVert], #27 [Pascal Siakam], #29 [DeJounte Murray], #32 [Ivica Zubac]

2017: #18 [TJ Leaf], #19 [John Collins], #22 [Jarrett Allen], #23 [OG Anunoby], #27 [Kyle Kuzma], #30 [Josh Hart]

2018: #18 [Lonnie Walker], #19 [Kevin Huerter], #26 [Landry Shamet]. #27 [Robert Williams], #33 [Jalen Brunson], #34 [Devounte Graham], #36 [Mitchell Robinson], #37 [Gary Trent JR], #54 [Shake Milton] 

2019: #20 [Matisse Thybulle], #28 [Jordan Poole], #30 [Kevin Porter Jr.], #31 [Nicolas Claxton], #41 [Eric Paschal], #48 [Terence Mann, one pick after Iggy] #52 [Jalen McDaniels]

2020: #19 [Saddiq Bey], #20 [Precious Achiuwa], #21 [Tyrese Maxey], #24 [R.J. Hampton], #25 [Immanuel Quickley], #26 [Payton Pritchards], #28 [Jaden McDaniels], #29 [Malachi Flynn], #30 [Desmond Bane]

This is why you accumulate draft picks and do not so cavalierly give them away. 

This draft has serious talent a #19, 21 and 32. 

I'm not saying we hold on to our picks for dear life, but damn near. 

Prudent, patient, purposeful scouting and analysis is how teams like the Spurs and Heat seemingly stay competitive and make the playoffs year after year, even though they invariably drafting between 19-32. 

[kidcarter8]

2014 - quite impressive

I think he is looking for world beaters, not rotation guys.  Giannis and Kawhi certainly do qualify.

[kidcarter8]

Furthering his point - along with saying that getting a STUD with such late picks is a pipe dream - there is a greater likelihood - given your own list - that a player is a minor or non contributor than a solid rotation guy after pick 15.

I like all draftees - they contribute to the process - the character of a team - make others better simply by pushing for time.  60 of the best, the new crop - each year - of which we see half or more in some measure.

But having TWO/THREE after 18 - compared with one 12 and under - not sure it is wise to take the former lot - ever.  Making your selection 6 picks sooner is like Christmas morning.

[kidcarter8]

I see three studs on your list after 15 - and this is of 450 picks.  0.66 per cent

[kidcarter8]

By the way - your beloved MIAMI has recently dealt away a first rounder in '22 and '23 and about 4 future seconds.

[Hairy Lime]

2014 - quite impressive

I think he is looking for world beaters, not rotation guys.  Giannis and Kawhi certainly do qualify.

Yes, that was my point. With some exceptions, you do not get the guy who pushes a good team to greatness. Which is why getting good too soon can hamper a bid for greatness. I have always thought the problem with the 2003 and later Cavs was James made them too good too soon (that and Carlos Boozer fucking over a blind guy). Yes, they screwed up the draft picks they did have but drafting in double figures is harder than the lottery. It is also why moving down more than two or so slots for quantity makes little sense. Sure, you might get Leonard, or Butler, or Drey or the Greek Freak, but you are more likely to get Larry Nance Jr. Nice guy, you need players like him, but he will never be the reason you hoist the trophy.

[kidcarter8]

Yeah, it's always the EXCEPTIONS that have the crazies in an uproar.

"Denver got Jokic at____, so we can...."

I like this new management group, so favor their HITTING over missing at 19 and 21.  But we will see.  Reports ARE that they are attempting to move up.  Chip's ire might be best directed at them,, I guess.