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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21405 on: November 28, 2021, 11:38:58 PM »

Sims looked terrific.
Quix really pushed the pace.
Knix a bit lucky that Bogdanx2 & Reddish crumpled early, and Hunter was out.
Gallo looked terrible.  TLC was fouling everyone near him, looked like he hadn't played in a long time.

Burks played almost 40 mins.  Had that early 3Q streak where he was flamethrowing.  Really the first 3 was a questionable shot, a tough contested 3.
I don't see how Burks replacing RJB helps us be less iso-heavy. And excises our best perimeter defender. 

Fournier has been a 1st half guy; Burks can be the 2nd half man.  Or start Burks over Fournier.  Burks has been playing with high energy and our starters could use that.  The more radical idea is to start Quix to get energy and better defense than Kemba provides.  Quix - Rjb - Fournier - Randle - Mitch
Quix - Burks - Rjb - Randle - Mitch

If it can work, would help NYK a lot.

Otherwise, two quiet games from Julius.  Often wasnt looking to score.  Looks distracted.  Oddly with his O off, he was playing pretty good D on the perimeter and inside.  Contributing.

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« Reply #21406 on: November 28, 2021, 11:48:26 PM »

Yep

JR will rebound

9 15+ game scores for Randle in this "off" season

5 of 20+
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« Reply #21407 on: November 28, 2021, 11:52:13 PM »

Hill has had his minutes inflated by the absences of Holiday and Middleton. He is more normally in the 15 -20 range. Kemba as a savvy backup with more O and less D than Hill, but the same general net effectiveness seems like a achievable goal for him this season, with rest days. A couple of 10 point quarters down the stretch and hopefully in the post season are more likely if we do not burn out his legs before the break or wear out the team in trying to compensate for too much Kemba.
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« Reply #21408 on: November 29, 2021, 06:51:42 AM »

Randle passes to Fournier a lot of the time.  Knix seem to try to get Fournier off early every game.  Quix & ObiT have good chemistry.  As do Rose & Taj.
We need to get more lobs to Mitch on the PnR.  Trae/Capela were killing us that way.  Mitch can do damage.  Is Quix are best PnR lobber?

I agree that RJB is getting a bit lost in the mix these days.
He tends to have quiet 1st halfs, but lately hasn't been able to get going for extended periods in the 2nd half.  Have trouble seeing how a move to the bench brings out more, especially since our bench has been killing it.  Interesting how good our bench has been all year. You'd think other teams would have scouted it out and know who to put in to counter Quix and Obit and Rose.  Fun to see Sims and Grimes get in the mix.
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« Reply #21409 on: November 29, 2021, 08:27:15 AM »

I think its a no brainer that Barrett would get more offensive looks on second unit, away from Randle Fournier Walker
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« Reply #21410 on: November 29, 2021, 09:17:55 AM »

Over the last 20 seasons Carmelo Anthony leads all Knicks in 35 point / 10 rebound games.  He did it 16 times.

No other player has managed more that feat more than 4 times.    Two have done it 4 times.    Julius Randle has only done it 3 times.

Name the 2 Knicks players who have logged 4 games (as a Knick) of 35 and 10 in the last 20 years.
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« Reply #21411 on: November 29, 2021, 09:35:34 AM »


As is, Kemba helping or closing out can be ignored. Anyone 6 foot 4 and up can bully him and carry him to the paint forcing help. That is exhausting to play with.

Three 6 foot 6 guys on the perimeter, even though none are great defenders or real PGs, look better for us than two of those wing sized guys playing with Kemba.


The most glaring number of this Knicks season is Walker's on/off differential. According to Cleaning the Glass, New York has a positive 14.0 net rating whenever Walker sits, with an offense that would be virtually tied with the top-ranked Jazz and a defense nearly as stingy as the league-leading Warriors.

And Walker, to be clear, has not been great. For as much as he fights (his 8 drawn charges are 6th in the league), there are times he can't overcome his size on defense.
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« Reply #21412 on: November 29, 2021, 11:24:36 AM »

He has not really rebuilt his legs yet to where they need to be after the falloff in Boston and he is not as precise as he needs to be due to how little he can do to recover if he is off. Rose has lost a lot of speed but he eventually got a bit stronger and more precise and compensated for less power with more efficiency. Kemba can as well. As he is now, his best hope for the short term is to make himself an asset on the second unit instead of a drag on the starting five.
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« Reply #21414 on: November 29, 2021, 12:14:31 PM »

http://theknickswall.com/immanuel-quickley-obi-toppin-knicks-need-be-more-involved-variety-lineups/

In your lifetime has five Knicks, all between the ages of 21 and 23, all drafted by the club, ever shared the floor together?

Vs, the Hawks in the 2nd period Thibs put forth the All-Rookie Contract lineup for 7 minutes and the results were positive.   

In that stretch Sims, Toppin, RJ, Quickley, Grimes. outscored the Hawks 14-7.  Shot 6 for 10. grabbed 8 rebounds.  4 assists.  3 turnovers. 1 steal.  1 block.
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Burks to start
« Reply #21415 on: November 29, 2021, 01:35:59 PM »

per Thibs

Kemba out!
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« Reply #21416 on: November 29, 2021, 01:38:50 PM »

The Knicks are making a drastic change at point guard.

Head coach Tom Thibodeau announced Monday that Alec Burks will become the starter after a 23-point performance in his first start of the season during Saturdays win in Atlanta. Bronx product Kemba Walker will be out of the rotation entirely, beginning with Tuesdays game against the Nets in Brooklyn.

It is a tough decision to make. But you always have to do what you think is best for the team Thibodeau said.

I have got great respect for who Kemba is as a person, number one, and all that he has accomplished in this league, but I do what I think is best for the team.

I just do not like the way we have been trending, the inconsistency of our team and we are gonna try to make a change Thibodeau said.

I want to get bigger.  I want our defense to be more intact. So basically that was it I got to do something different.
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« Reply #21417 on: November 29, 2021, 01:47:03 PM »

LEON ROSE & WORLD WIDE WES: Godfathers

BROCK ALLER: Vice President & Strategic Planning

SCOTT PERRY: General Manager

WALT PERRIN & FRANK ZANIN: Assistant General Managers

KEVIN WILSON & ADAM TATLOVICH: European Scouts

Our sundry roster moves, and deals for assets and draft picks appear to be the product of a collective council of elders chaired by Leon Rose, and informed by a wide range of thinkers behind the scene, including conceilerge Aller and capos Perry, Perrin & Zanin [Aller a master capologist Rose gobbled up from the Cavs, Perrin, a very informed college scout and talent evaluator, who was pivotal in the Jazz gobbling up Hayward & Gobert and moving up in the draft with Denver to target Mitchell, while Zanin was a top scout for OKC's Trader ].   

* Worth remembering that the trade in which we divested ourselves of Rivers and Brazdeikis seemingly to only create cap space and cut the warm bodies we received, got us the seemingly useless late second rounder from Philly [#58] with which we secured the Balls of Jericho Sims

* Worth remembering that when Scott Perry traded Morris to the Clippers, we got back Moe Harkless, but more significantly, the late first rounder which after a series of up and down moves, became World Wide Wes fave Immanuel Quickley, who had reportedly been on the Knicks radar for two years.  However, we also got the Clippers second rounder [#32, obtained from Detroit in the Blake Griffin deal], which, presumably due to a working relationship with the Thunder, vis a vis former Thunder scout Frank Zainin, was shipped to the Thunder for #34 and #36 for Euro-Stash Combo Guard Rokas Jokubaitis [currently tearing things up in Spain] and Thibs love child, PG Miles McBride.

* Worth remembering that the working relationship Zanin had with Sam Presti may have played a roll in the intelligence which got us a post-buyout deal on Kemba. 

* Worth remembering that the seemingly unintelligble moves with our #19 and #21 picks with the Hornets and Clippers, flipped our #1 with Charlotte for their #1 pick in 2022 [which conveys in the event they finish better than #18 in the draft order, which right now, looks very likely for this much improved team] while the Clippers #1 flip deal got us [ho-hum] yet another future #2 pick, and the #25 pick with which the Knicks both saved cap money in 2021, and selected Devil Dawg defender and sniper Quentin Grimes

* Worth remembering that someone amongst Aller, Perry, Perrin & Zanin, thought enough of failed former Spurs 2019 #1 pick, 6'10" stretch forward Luka Samanic to a two way deal when the was waived by San Antonio.  Coach Pops had some nice things to say about him on his way out the door, and while it is only G League, and there are lingering questions about his motor and motivation, he has been tearing it up for Westchester. 

* Worth remembering that we passed on the likes of Haliburton and Avdija to select Obi Toppin in 2020, a move which seemed, oh, odd...redundant at the time, particularly with the emergence of Julius Randle, and for the past year and change, Obi has been part of every lame ass, Brad Dressler/Stephen A. Smith phantasy trade out of town...but who with every minute of floor time is looking like a fucking prescient move on the part of Leon Rose, who was purportedly a big, big Obi booster in his first draft...

So, to extend on what Kam already noted, Quickley, Toppin, Grimes, Sims , McBride, Joubaitis, Samanic .

That's seven, count 'em, SEVEN legitimate prospects, four of whom [IQ, Obi, Quentin, Jericho] are already paying legit dividends, one of whom is waiting for his shot [McBride], and two of whom [the Lithuanian Jokubaitis & the Croatian Samanic] are simmering in the slow cooker crock pot of top tier Euro power FC Barcelona and the Westchester Knicks. 

Eight if we count the earthly remains of Kevin Knox, whom may yet to be heard from again as next man up. NINE if we count the [cough] 21 year old RJ Barrett, for fuck's sake. 

Of course, the Knicks struggling as they have....HAHA....ONLY 11-9 at the quarter pole, the douche nozzles in the media are quick to assign blame to LEON ROSE, vis a vis the struggles of Kemba and Evan.  And of course, fair weather fans demonizing Randle's struggles. 

Well...

FUCK Y'ALL 

Kemba, Burks, Noel, Gibson, Rose guaranteed on reasonable contracts for two years, with a team option on year three.  Julius re-signed for John Collins money on a very team friendly deal.  Fournier getting Hardaway money for three with a fourth year option. 

We have a cornucopia of #2 picks. 

We have two #1 picks in 2022. 

We have two #1 picks in 2023. 


We have a top tier coaching staff, and assets up the wazoo, in the [HIGHLY UNLIKELY] event that the likes of Bradley Beal, Zach Lavine, Damian Lillard or...ZION WILLIAMSON are in play as trade options. 

The Suns debacle was a reality check. 

However, so was the Hawks game, and yes, they were missing Hunter, BB and Reddish, but we were missing Kemba AND, Nerlens and Taj AND Rose, and the Hawks still had Trae and Collins and Capella and Sweet Lou, and we shut them down in the fourth. 

So the second quarter cycle, the next 20 games, promise to also be up and down, up and down, but the fact that we are arguing about our playoff status on November 29, and not already looking ahead to the Draft Lottery?

Well...

To be a Knicks Fan Is To SUFFER, motherfuckers, but Godfather Leon has given us something tangible to root for, solid [if struggling] vets, and after decades of eating our young and giving away draft picks, a legit stash of draft assets, and a host of actual factual puppies, growing up before our eyes, play by play, game by game [NOTE: How about that pass by Grimes to Obi for the Atomic Pterodactyl JAMMA SLAMMA]. 

So Kemba and Evan, Julius and RJ are struggling?

GROW THE FUCK UP KNICKS FANS.  We are in the hunt, and deep in legit puppies and draft assets.  All of this will work itself out in a fiercely competitive Eastern Conference where everyone got better, even the bottom feeders. 

Leon & Thibs' Grades are A- to me.  Certain issues to be resolved, but not too shabby. Hell, even the Luka Vildoza experiment cost us naught but money, and not even eating in to our 2021-22 budget. 

HAVING SAID THAT...BROOKLYN ON TUESDAY

WOW!
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DAMN...Burks For Kemba
« Reply #21418 on: November 29, 2021, 01:58:07 PM »

WOW. 

Presumably if Noels ever can stay healthy for two consecutive games...

Noel-Randle-RJ-Fournier-Burks

Robinson-Toppin-Grimes-IQ-Rose

Sims-Gibson

McBride

Knox-Kemba-Selden

Presumably, Kemba takes it like a man, practices, mentors our PG pups IQ and McBride, rebuilds his stamina and stays ready. 

DAMN.

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Michael Porter
« Reply #21419 on: November 29, 2021, 02:50:19 PM »

Out for the season with back surgery. 

Damn.  And his max extension kicks in next year.  So Nuggets not fucking around. 
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