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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3345 on: January 04, 2019, 10:05:24 AM »

THJ could be out of the picture (lunch pail 5 and Knox at the 3)

THJ's slump has coincided with KK's emergence.

Apropos of nothing.   Just interesting.

Agree with BO that Knicks front office should WANT KP to play.

KP may have other ideas.

If he doesn't come back i would be of a mind that he is out the door as soon as he can leave.

Knox has been a volume shooter/scorer.  Not overly efficient.  Hopefully this will come in time.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3346 on: January 04, 2019, 10:06:57 AM »

Knix have a lot of subpar defenders.
And few if any 2-way players (Courtly, Vonleh sorta, injured KZ)

The mix-and-match starting units also factors against any kind of cohesive defense.  As does playing lots of rook and yute.
But it all starts with having poor defenders.

As for Franc, I think you can see a good deal of defensive effort, which is a big part of it.  But he fouls too much, and often small unnecessary fouls.  That's my biggest concern, but something that can be corrected with experience.  I think Franc is a solid defender, but his ability on that end has often been exaggerated.  Still long arms and effort and some sense of what to be doing goes a long way.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3347 on: January 04, 2019, 10:08:41 AM »

Be interesting to see Knox's scoring and shooting %'s broken down by quarter.  Because he has been a 1Q and 1st half demon.  And often very inefficient in 2nd halves.  Not sure where to unearth such data.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3348 on: January 04, 2019, 10:11:29 AM »

2 8-17
2 7-15
1 9-20

.500 and above just twice

3-6
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Re: Kam(s)ter Cited As Source of Ebola Outbreak in D.R. Congo
« Reply #3349 on: January 04, 2019, 10:51:16 AM »


Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None.

Kanter started the last time we played Utah.
We beat them.
Kanter had the game high +/- at +19.


Dude.... for all your cryin about GObert last game Kanter was a -30 and Kornet was a -3
AND  the game you're saying we won last ... Gobert didn't play.... LMAO

How'm i doing now Carlos.

You’re doing very well as the source of Ebola.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3350 on: January 04, 2019, 01:10:03 PM »

Austin Rivers 5-0 with Rockets, including wins over OKC, Boston and Golden State.

37 minutes per.
40% from deep.
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Re: Kam(s)ter Cited As Source of Ebola Outbreak in D.R. Congo
« Reply #3351 on: January 04, 2019, 01:14:17 PM »


Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None.

Kanter started the last time we played Utah.
We beat them.
Kanter had the game high +/- at +19.


Dude.... for all your cryin about GObert last game Kanter was a -30 and Kornet was a -3
AND  the game you're saying we won last ... Gobert didn't play.... LMAO

How'm i doing now Carlos.

You’re doing very well as the source of Ebola.

Kam is just way too much bong, way too little brain.
And yes, Gobert did play...29 minutes and 46 seconds, here's the box:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201801190UTA.html
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3352 on: January 04, 2019, 01:37:19 PM »

Knox is 50% from deep in 1st and 3rd (16-32 in each)

23% in 2nd and 4th (6-33 and 11-40)
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Re: Kam(s)ter Cited As Source of Ebola Outbreak in D.R. Congo
« Reply #3353 on: January 04, 2019, 02:02:06 PM »


Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None.

Kanter started the last time we played Utah.
We beat them.
Kanter had the game high +/- at +19.


Dude.... for all your cryin about GObert last game Kanter was a -30 and Kornet was a -3
AND  the game you're saying we won last ... Gobert didn't play.... LMAO

How'm i doing now Carlos.

You’re doing very well as the source of Ebola.

Kam is just way too much bong, way too little brain.
And yes, Gobert did play...29 minutes and 46 seconds, here's the box:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201801190UTA.html

In one of those games AND he kicked ENES butt. 
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Re: Kam(s)ter Cited As Source of Ebola Outbreak in D.R. Congo
« Reply #3354 on: January 04, 2019, 02:04:01 PM »


Enes wouldn't have provided any resistance against the high flying Gobert.  None.

Kanter started the last time we played Utah.
We beat them.
Kanter had the game high +/- at +19.


Dude.... for all your cryin about GObert last game Kanter was a -30 and Kornet was a -3
AND  the game you're saying we won last ... Gobert didn't play.... LMAO

How'm i doing now Carlos.

You’re doing very well as the source Herald of Ebola Elba .

Correct!
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Re: Kam(s)ter Cited As Source of Ebola Outbreak in D.R. Congo
« Reply #3355 on: January 04, 2019, 02:13:47 PM »


In one of those games AND he kicked ENES butt.

OK, OK, ...you win!
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3356 on: January 04, 2019, 02:24:48 PM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3357 on: January 04, 2019, 02:27:42 PM »

42-135 between 3 and 22 feet

Ouch.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3358 on: January 04, 2019, 03:18:48 PM »

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The Chicago Bulls have traded forward Justin Holiday to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard MarShon Brooks and guard/forward Wayne Selden Jr., as well as the Grizzlies’ 2019 and 2020 second-round picks. In a related move, the Bulls also waived guard Cameron Payne.

I saw Cam Payne play just the other day and he looked like he knew what he was doing but was just not good at it.  Right ideas, poor execution.  I wasn't sure if it was just rust or he's a bum, so I didn't mention it.  Reportedly Bulls looking to drop Brooks.  He's one of the few to play in China and return to the NBofA (excluding the strike year).  Holiday a nice pickup for Memf.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3359 on: January 04, 2019, 04:38:42 PM »

No such stat as defensive +/-

Really?

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Kanter scored 17 points and grabbed 12 rebounds in just 20 minutes of work Tuesday night. He is averaging 14.4 points and 10.6 rebounds per game, but he ranks 60th in defensive real plus-minus amid the 61 qualified centers.

Yeah, my mistake,
Kanter's 61 out of 61 now.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

So the thing about RPM is that it realises that regular +/- is highly susceptible to small sample size and all kinds of uncontrollable factors (did an opponent have an unusually strong or weak game that had nothing to do with you and skews your stats and provides little predictable value?). There was just too much variance within years and between years for +/- to be too useful a stat.

So what they've done is tried to reduce standard errors by "regularising". This means subjecting the data to stuff like similarity scores, looking at three years data rather than just year, a player's age, the score of the game, even a player's height (which is why taller players have better DRPMs...the model presumes taller players are better defenders). The model makes assumptions on what parameters should be set as limits for a players contributions and uses them as inputs for the stat.

RPM suffers from two major flaws: 1) there's an awful lot they haven't ever explained (like how much each factor is worth), and 2) like all +/- stats, it cannot completely isolate a player's contribution as opposed to who the player tends to play with (collinearity or multicollinearity issues). It still relies on loads of presumptions (a short, aging point guard who only plays garbage time minutes and has struggled for the past couple of years can only have x impact on a game and his stats should be massaged accordingly).

Most stats guys begrudgingly say it's probably as good a +/- stat as any (begrudgingly, I'm guessing, because it's proprietary and also they stole most of the model and refurbished it). But it ain't gospel.
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