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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Nagel]

I know Durant to NYK is the rumor, but I don't see KD or any other lone FA choosing to come to the Knix.

Next year will be Durant age 31.  Still in his prime but on the downslope.  Even with a 2-star addition it's real hard to see the Knix competing for the East title next year.  But with Durant as the lone star addition (and the draftpick and minor tweaks), Knix just a Road playoff team.  Even in the two star model (let's say KD and Kyrie), it probably takes 2 to 3 years to be truly competitive.  Just adding KD means he is guaranteed of wasting 2-4 years towards the end of his career treading water in NY.  What's the point?   A lot of better team/Win Now options available for him. 

So basically Knix need to hit on 2 FA's.  Draw two cards to try to his on a straight flush. 

If anyone can make a case as to why Durant (or another single star) would come to NYK, I'd love to hear it . . .

the only reason any player would come to NY is to collect large amounts of cash and lucrative commercial deals.   winning anything is NOT part of the equation.

[facilitatorn]

Nagel, welcome back. That’s a mighty cynical view. It’s correct in the sense that we don’t get discounts or favors, so going for the biggest bangs may leave us short of what’s needed to round out a contending team.

We still have a number of guys under contract. Some few are doing good things. Some have holes to fix before they routinely have positive impacts. Some are on their way to washing out.

This team doesn’t have anything to self correct to. Trips like this are to be expected and help our lottery range.

Im assuming the Knicks keep the band together in terms of Fizz and the Princeton Mafia. It means this summer’s moves and player programs should be more informed than they were for this season.

[kiidcarter8]

That Zach Levine ain't much of a player, eh?

[bodiddley]

Poor defender and erratic, but he can light it up when he gets hot.

Othersowise,  just noticing that Tim Jr. is shooting 30% on 3's for DAL.  Still jacking over 7 a game.  Oddly even his FT shooting has dropped to 73%.  I saw a DAL game the other day where he got burned back door and driven past.  Clanked a few shots.  His highlight when I was watching (2nd half v. Nets) was taking a charge v. DeMarre, a surprising Tim specialty this season.

DET winners of 10 of their last 12.  I saw them beat INDy a few games back, and Ish did a fine job, was much better than RegJax.  When Jax came back in late 4Q, he alternated between bad plays and heroics.  Was sloppy, but he made a couple big plays surrounding his miscues.
Blake's had a Big year, Kennard starting to contribute nicely.  Thon gives them some Big depth.  They're not going far, but good to see them competing and getting some W's.  Their games can still be rather sloppy, their offense can stagnate, but they're clawing out W's for now.

[bodiddley]

You don't need to be in NYC to get endorsements and make commercials.  LA better for that, but anywhere you win or play as a Top 10 player will do.

Durant coming with another star seems unlikely to me.  Durant coming alone seems like complete fantasy.

LAkes the worst FT shooting team at 69%.  LeBJ's drags them down a little with his 66% and many attempts.  Zubac was their best FT shooter before being gifted to the Clips.  (nice easy trade where you don't have to move and go to the same building to play).  So Lakes left with only two players shooting above 75% on FT's.  KCP (86% but less than 2 Ft's per) and Kuz at 76%.  The only other Lake above 70% is Muscala who just arrived.  Seems like a significant roster flaw . . .

[Kam]

If anyone can make a case as to why Durant (or another single star) would come to NYK, I'd love to hear it . . .

Why did LeBron go to LA?

[Kam]

Even two FA stars coming to NYK probably only means a Top 5 East team likely a few years away from genuine contention.

This is another of bo's way out on a limb statements.

KD and Kyrie or KD and Kawhi.... Instant Contention.  You weaken the two EAST juggernauts while improving yourself.

[lesterluv]

Though hell bent on over-achieving, Fiz really had to do little else than give Knox those minutes to assure our draft position. He is a one-man team-tank machine.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2019/3/7/18253643/kevin-knox-has-been-historically-bad-heres-the-stats-to-prove-it

[kiidcarter8]

Even two FA stars coming to NYK probably only means a Top 5 East team likely a few years away from genuine contention.

This is another of bo's way out on a limb statements.

KD and Kyrie or KD and Kawhi.... Instant Contention.  You weaken the two EAST juggernauts while improving yourself.

He doesn't value our current players - or the coach.

Can't say I blame him too much.

[bodiddley]

Celts might be a better team without Kyrie!
Kawhi not coming here.  But he might go to LAC.
But I take your point that some of the Top East teams might lose a player.  PHI might not re-sign both Butler and Tobias.  MIL has FA's

I don't think you slap together a team and instantly compete.
Look at Westbrook and Paul George.  Y1 was rocky.  Y2 much better. And they have a top C in Steven Adams.  And they're still 3rd or 4th best in the West and need to add more.  So likely Y3 or Y4 til they have a legit shot at the Finals.

Adding two major stars certainly would make the Knix intriguing.
And in the East mix.  But I wouldn't expect a Top 2 East team in Y1 and there would still be much work do to do put together a conference finals or Finals team.  Would really help if one them is Kyrie (though I don't like him much), since it pays to have a strong PG. 

Knix would likely have to let go Vonleh, Mud, DAtheGiant and others to add 2 top-paid stars.  Knox, Jr. Smith, Mitch, Franc, Trier are all 2-3 or more  years away from being legit starters.  Mitch mostly due to foul trouble, but also a somewhat raw offensive game.  I'm reserving judgment on Jr. Smith and Fizz, but I like much of what Fizz did this year and we needed a genuine PG (or to audition another potential starting PG). 

Basically, we'd be adding two major stars (if very lucky) and not really have another legit starter.  Sure we could try to flip Smith for a starting quality wing if Kyrie came.  Not sure if you can get any vet min starters.  So KD - Kyrie - Knox - Trier - Mitch.  Good, interesting but definite weaknesses.

[kiidcarter8]

I know Durant to NYK is the rumor, but I don't see KD or any other lone FA choosing to come to the Knix.

Next year will be Durant age 31.  Still in his prime but on the downslope.  Even with a 2-star addition it's real hard to see the Knix competing for the East title next year.  But with Durant as the lone star addition (and the draftpick and minor tweaks), Knix just a Road playoff team.  Even in the two star model (let's say KD and Kyrie), it probably takes 2 to 3 years to be truly competitive.  Just adding KD means he is guaranteed of wasting 2-4 years towards the end of his career treading water in NY.  What's the point?   A lot of better team/Win Now options available for him. 

So basically Knix need to hit on 2 FA's.  Draw two cards to try to his on a straight flush. 

If anyone can make a case as to why Durant (or another single star) would come to NYK, I'd love to hear it . . .

the only reason any player would come to NY is to collect large amounts of cash and lucrative commercial deals.   winning anything is NOT part of the equation.

Who would have gone to GS a few years back?

[kiidcarter8]

TEN free agents will consider NY.

[kiidcarter8]

Off of what I have seen, (signed) keepers would be Mitch and Dennis -

and I'd keep Trier if we can somehow swing the $$.  He's a one way microwave but that's the NBA nowadays.

If Kyrie comes I still keep Smith or Mudiay.

By the way, re:  Mitch - got to see 26 minutes of Moritz Wagner last night.  No way should we assume Lakers would take Robinson if they had to do it again. 

Mo will be fine in this league.

[Kam]

Look at Westbrook and Paul George.  Y1 was rocky.  Y2 much better.
Adding two major stars certainly would make the Knix intriguing.
And in the East mix;    KD - Kyrie - Knox - Trier - Mitch.  Good, interesting but definite weaknesses.

Maybe PG is truly healthy this year.
I imagine the lineup you posted is capable of finishing 3rd and competing in a 7 game series vs anyone in the East.  In year one.
Especially if Kawhi jumps off the Raps and Milwaukee stumbles recreating this year's MoJo.
You roll the dice with that lineup.

And perhaps a key veteran or two on the minimum. 

[elephant]

Though hell bent on over-achieving, Fiz really had to do little else than give Knox those minutes to assure our draft position. He is a one-man team-tank machine.

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2019/3/7/18253643/kevin-knox-has-been-historically-bad-heres-the-stats-to-prove-it

Yeah, I like Knox, but I don't grasp why he's referred to as a developing star. Might be. Hope so (really). But the dude does not come across as a high energy impact player. I mean, in the summer league, he was exciting. But amid the big boys, he's a bit of a snooze.