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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6390 on: June 17, 2019, 01:08:29 PM »

No need. We've been there done that x10000.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6391 on: June 17, 2019, 01:43:36 PM »


Fizdale did a lousy job bringing out the best of a young team.

OK.


Can you disagree?


With what; your opinion which you do not back up with any supporting facts?   Sure.

Not going to do your work for you.   Post why he should go and who should be hired.

What! Come on, man, your request for "supporting facts" is fatuous. There's not a thousand viewers on this forum; can I just presume none of us are hopelessly senile, and we remember the arguments, disappointments and perspectives toward the coach without wallowing through all that shit?

Even for the deranged devotees who loved the notion of tanking an art which Fizdale apparently does have a handle on you have to get a little queasy how an alternative approach across the river panned out.

Anyhow, I'm more struck by the broader quandary the image of the organization. PR plays a role in recruitment. If the Knicks changed coaches, their reputation would take another hit. Is that a variable to consider? Or do you just find the best coach for the job. Period.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6392 on: June 17, 2019, 01:58:47 PM »

I haven't really looked at NY cap space carefully.
If we wanted to go the 3rd tier FA route, and could poach Brogdon (RFA).  Then I'd be intrigued with Rubio or Pa Bev.  We'd add passing and defense and smarts.  The Frog is a good 3-point shooter but a bit reluctant.  Rubio not a 3-man.  Pa Bev a 3&D PG.
Rubio 28; Pa Bev 30. 
If we kept DeAndretheGiant, we'd be signing a trio of defenders in FA.

Rubio/Pa Bev -- Jr. Smith/Franc
Brogdon    --  Trier
Barrett      --  Dotson
Knox         --  Vonleh
Mitch Rob  --  Deandre

Rubio probably makes more sense given age and durability.  But Knick fans would love PaBev careening around like mad.  Not sure how much either would cost.

We could roll out a defensive squad of Rubio-Frog-someone-Vonleh-Mitch at times.  A lot would depend on Knox/Barrett.  But having a solid/strong set of Guards would make life easier for our wing yute.  Gaining stability is important. 

Another lottery year would get us another good pick.  Or we make the playoffs in the weak East.  Both good.

I think that is too many guards. You still need to have time. Also, I think a young team like this needs to run.

I'd target a starting lineup of: DSJ-Brogdon-RJ-Randle-Mitch. I'd want to know there was playing time for Frank-Knox-Vonleh. The other two rotation spots are less important to me, but I want those first eight guys to have a clear role. If it's DeAndre instead of Julius Randle (or Nikola Mirotic?), a little less excited given I want to see Mitch get run.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6393 on: June 17, 2019, 02:21:25 PM »

"Knicks discussed several assets in potential AD offer including Frank, DSJ, 3rd pick + other draft picks, but never fully offered Knox or prized center Robinson, both of whom franchise is very high on while Pels were not believed to be"

I bet Knicks would feel differently had they had a healthy Durant committed.

Not sure if I should read this that the Knicks value Knox and Mitch more than RJ, or if they knew the deal couldn't be done without RJ.

Am I alone in preferring RJ to any other Knicks asset?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6394 on: June 17, 2019, 06:17:30 PM »

Knicks were bringing AD in with no poiint guard

Thatw ould have been grand.
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« Reply #6395 on: June 17, 2019, 07:04:15 PM »


Am I alone in preferring RJ to any other Knicks asset?

Nope.  I'm very happy we get to select RJ on Thursday.  He will be the leader of the team immediately.  Mitch and Knox seem like nice guys. RJ seems like a killer.  Perfect guy to lead the troops.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6396 on: June 17, 2019, 07:12:52 PM »


Fizdale did a lousy job bringing out the best of a young team.

OK.


Can you disagree?


With what; your opinion which you do not back up with any supporting facts?   Sure.

Not going to do your work for you.   Post why he should go and who should be hired.

What! Come on, man, your request for "supporting facts" is fatuous. There's not a thousand viewers on this forum; can I just presume none of us are hopelessly senile, and we remember the arguments, disappointments and perspectives toward the coach without wallowing through all that shit?

Even for the deranged devotees who loved the notion of tanking an art which Fizdale apparently does have a handle on you have to get a little queasy how an alternative approach across the river panned out.

Anyhow, I'm more struck by the broader quandary the image of the organization. PR plays a role in recruitment. If the Knicks changed coaches, their reputation would take another hit. Is that a variable to consider? Or do you just find the best coach for the job. Period.

Well since you're only really asking for opinions from those who already agree with your stance than Fizdale should go then if i was of the same belief i would say for the image of the organization it makes sense to not make a change.  Fizdale is respected league-wide.   You give him a chance to win with the guys he developed.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6397 on: June 17, 2019, 09:54:43 PM »

http://hoopshype.com/player/ersan-ilyasova/

If this is true, Id offer them the very waivable Henry Ellison or Billy Garrett for Ilya and a pick.

Hed make a great Mitch partner and Kornet tutor. Its 7 million flat for This year and next & there arent 2 max guys we want anymore.

Ilya and #30 for a waivable player and #55.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6398 on: June 17, 2019, 10:03:31 PM »

So RJ was interviewed on an ESPN show and speaks French.  That could give he and Frankie a very nice advantage on the court.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6399 on: June 17, 2019, 10:14:43 PM »

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« Reply #6400 on: June 17, 2019, 10:24:39 PM »

MAYBE one day Ill see a good franchise in NYC if I outlive Dolan...

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6401 on: June 17, 2019, 10:27:29 PM »

http://hoopshype.com/player/ersan-ilyasova/

If this is true, Id offer them the very waivable Henry Ellison or Billy Garrett for Ilya and a pick.

Hed make a great Mitch partner and Kornet tutor. Its 7 million flat for This year and next & there arent 2 max guys we want anymore.

Ilya and #30 for a waivable player and #55.

Ersan has his own rumor page?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6402 on: June 17, 2019, 11:47:03 PM »

http://hoopshype.com/player/ersan-ilyasova/

If this is true, Id offer them the very waivable Henry Ellison or Billy Garrett for Ilya and a pick.

Hed make a great Mitch partner and Kornet tutor. Its 7 million flat for This year and next & there arent 2 max guys we want anymore.

Ilya and #30 for a waivable player and #55.

Ersan has his own rumor page?

Haha. Well done.

I'd do the deal if our intel says two all-stars aren't coming.

But Milwaukee surely is hoping to use that pick to move Snell, not Licensed to Ilya (that's for you, Bo).
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6403 on: June 18, 2019, 12:23:29 AM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #6404 on: June 18, 2019, 01:11:11 AM »

Rising on draft boards: Rui, Goga, Sekou, Garland, PJ Washington, Kabengele

Falling: Hayes, Langford, Bol, THT, Grant Williams, Jontay
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