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lesterdog

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7050 on: July 12, 2019, 11:29:42 AM »

What are you worried about? Fřkwhale is a proven master. We got the best in the business. I'm sure he'll sit $105 mil in PF's cuz he's #gottodevelop some G-Leaguer he called up the day before and everybody will be happylappy.

*Oh wait, that was last year's LONGTERM PLAN

**I'll wait till November to discern this year's LONGTERM PLAN

***Then we can change up the LONGTERM PLAN in December

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7051 on: July 12, 2019, 12:37:28 PM »

So right now the Knicks have some 14 players with contracts who expect to see real minutes.
How is that going to work?

It's a crowded roster.
Maybe we look into trading say Portis and Franc or Portis and Knox somewhere.  I guess we should look for any team needing a PF.  Any team whose PF gets injured.  Any team who think they are a PF away form contention. 

Utah comes to mind.  They let Favors go and have patchworked Ed Davis and Jeff Green there.  But if they really want to compete, send them Morris or Portis for something.   
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7052 on: July 12, 2019, 01:06:25 PM »

Fouls are going to keep Mitch to a 20 minute load, give or take. Portis will play the bulk of his minutes here at center. Obviously Randle will have the main PF minutes. Taj will probably split his time between PF and C. Morris will split between PF and SF. It’s too many bigs for everyone to be happy with their minutes if everyone stays healthy. I don’t expect everyone to stay healthy in which case we signed the right number of bigs.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7053 on: July 12, 2019, 02:13:58 PM »

Taj could be attractive for someone's playoff run ...
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7054 on: July 12, 2019, 03:44:58 PM »

The Chris Paul contract was ridiculous from the start.  Too old to give a 4 year contract to.

I think Paul would do fine in Miami
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« Reply #7055 on: July 12, 2019, 03:48:26 PM »

Already trading Portis ?  I think his play will make you not wish to
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« Reply #7056 on: July 12, 2019, 05:18:31 PM »

We signed 4 PF's this offseason.
So moving one or two for an asset makes sense.

Morris just on a 1 year deal won't bring back much.
I think we intend Randle as a foundation piece.
Which leaves Portis and Taj.  Package with Franc and get a player and pick back.

Taj is a vet defender who can handle C work.
A playoff team might want such a hardworking smart vet.
But he doesn't score.
Portis can score but doesn't defend much.
Is young.

Really I'm fine with trading any one (or two) of our new PF's and try to
get a solid SF back, or a yute and a pick.
I kind of like Portis and think he's the most interesting of the 4.
Not really a Randle fan.  Like Taj as an oldhead leader.
Good mentor for Mitch.
Morris is a pretty good player, but has a 1 year deal, so who knows how
long he toils in Knickdom.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7057 on: July 12, 2019, 05:29:10 PM »

“A playoff team would want...”

And if WE are mathematically in the hunt - we trade players anyway?
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« Reply #7058 on: July 13, 2019, 02:03:19 AM »

Knix did the flop for this?

---What has happened though is that Barrett’s shooting numbers have plummeted in Vegas. He’s shooting 30 percent from the floor and 20 percent on 3-pointers.---

The front office has not figured out that they are a truly bad shooting team?

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7059 on: July 13, 2019, 03:09:57 AM »

I now have full confidence the Knicks will be top 10 in shooting this season based on the principle that whatever Luee say is so is never so.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7060 on: July 13, 2019, 03:56:51 AM »

“A playoff team would want...”

And if WE are mathematically in the hunt - we trade players anyway?

To get better, yes.
Cash in a PF (any of our 4 new ones) + Franc for a quality SF (and hopefully a pick).


I said early on the fact that Barrett can't hit 3's and doesn't defend is a big red flashing light.  Also said he might not be ready to start.  I'd be fine starting Knox and having RJB come off the bench.  I'd also be fine starting both of them, as I see this as another rebuilding year.  Really, getting Knox up to NBA level is more pressing to me than what Barrett does in Y1.


Luee's right, Knox have few shooters.
Who's our best 3-point shooter?
Ellington?  Trier?  Dotson?  Knox?  Randle?  Bullocks?
How many of them will manage 35% or better.
Teams will go under screens and clog the paint and dare the Knix to hit outside shots.  Which will mean few driving lanes for Barrett, Jr. Smith, Knox.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7061 on: July 13, 2019, 04:31:32 AM »

I'm not a draftnik and don't see college ball.
All I watched was a 10 minute clip of Barrett's highlights and mistakes.  Wasn't that impressed.  Looked like he could drive and muscle college players.  Physically he looked a lot like Stan Johnson to me.  Lack of outside shooting and inattentive D.  Sounds like what we got (and what needs correction) in Knox.

Both DeAndre Hunter and Culver sounded like plug-n-play 3&D wings.  Maybe lower ceiling but higher floors.  Guys who project to be solid starters.  Adn good defedners.

Garland and Coby White were two PG's available.  Garland sort of a mystery man folks got high on.  Don't know much about them.

I know a lot of observers said this was a 3-man draft, with our guy in that mix.  But our guy has a lot to work on.  He either needs to get his 3's to drop or learn to play decent defense, or we got problems ...
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« Reply #7062 on: July 13, 2019, 07:23:17 AM »

Will be moved again. You traded Russ because he is 30 and you're rebuilding.  You don't swap a 30 yr old for a 34 yr old and call it a day.

Looking like Miami

They can take Dragic and a pick - then move Dragic for more picks

heh

Doubtful Dragic would yield much in a trade at this point, given injuries. Unless he's only used to take back a bad contract with picks.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7063 on: July 13, 2019, 07:25:35 AM »

So right now the Knicks have some 14 players with contracts who expect to see real minutes.

How is that going to work? How do you avoid bitterness and resentment?

Absolutely. If you're going to pick up players just to trade them for assets later, why not do what the Clippers did with Moe Harkless or the Nets with Allan Crabbe and so forth.

Instead, you've built an atmosphere that will almost certainly diminish the value of each asset on the team.

That said, I think Mook is the best player most likely to bring back a positive return, such as a late first rounder. He's probably the best player on the team, and he fits well with a lot of teams given his flexibility.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7064 on: July 13, 2019, 09:25:23 AM »

Knix did the flop for this?

---What has happened though is that Barrett’s shooting numbers have plummeted in Vegas. He’s shooting 30 percent from the floor and 20 percent on 3-pointers.---

The front office has not figured out that they are a truly bad shooting team?

Good player

Not a 2 guard

And not yet a lead dog scorer

Garland may have been the better pick, yes.
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