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kiidcarter8

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7815 on: October 17, 2019, 07:53:30 PM »

And Grandpa, let's hear again about how underrated Jordan Hill was.


Underrated only here

Draftnicks certainly didnt underrate him - nor did the NBA populace.

They liked him - and played him.


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7816 on: October 17, 2019, 07:54:36 PM »

As for Lonzo and Frank in the same breath - please don't embarrass yourself.
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« Reply #7817 on: October 17, 2019, 08:39:47 PM »

BB can be  pretty simple.  Yes, x and o's can make a difference but if you don't have shooters you won't go anywhere. I hope I'm wrong but it looks like we don't have any.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7818 on: October 18, 2019, 02:08:02 AM »

And Grandpa, let's hear again about how underrated Jordan Hill was.


Underrated only here

Draftnicks certainly didnt underrate him - nor did the NBA populace.

They liked him - and played him.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7819 on: October 18, 2019, 04:58:04 AM »

Elf had a lot of late season stats.  For whatever that's worth.
We have 3 PG's who can't make 3's.
And Elf crowds out Frank.
So my enthusiasm is muted.

ELF had weird splits.
Abysmal shooting at Home:  40% FG and 26% on 3's
Solid even strong Road %'s: 47% FG and 37.5% on 3's.
What's behind that?

Seems like focus issues.  Distractions and such(?)

I didn't realize that Elf has been a starter almost all of his career.
He has a weird style, but should be a solid enough backup PG.

I haven't seen him much the past 2 years, so clean slate time ...
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kiidcarter8

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7820 on: October 18, 2019, 09:41:54 AM »

He has a weird style...


...but got rid of that weird hair, thankfully

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/05/18/suns-elfrid-payton-hair-cut-photo
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7821 on: October 18, 2019, 10:27:59 AM »

BB can be  pretty simple.  Yes, x and o's can make a difference but if you don't have shooters you won't go anywhere. I hope I'm wrong but it looks like we don't have any.

LESS than some other teams, agreed

None?

Nah, that is a bit harsh.

I think we get better in the bottom line MORESO by limiting opponents threes than by increasing ours.  I am OK with ball movement and effective PNR play leading to makeable 2s.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7822 on: October 18, 2019, 10:33:59 AM »

Randle: I feel like Julius Randle's play wasn't as good as his statline suggests but it also wasn't bad, it was just inconsistent. There would be a stretch of play where Randle attacks the lane and finishes, attacks the lane and finds an open man, then finds the ball in motion and scores again...then there would be a stretch where he dribbles into traffic repeatedly with no positive results. It was the same deal defensively, where there were periods of Randle giving way too much space in screen and roll situations but then other moments where he made rotations that I wasn't expecting. The statline makes Randle look like a juggernaut though. He posted 20 points, 8 boards and 2 assists to 2 TO's along with 2 blocks and a steal on 6/12 shooting plus 7/9 from the free throw line. The thing is, Randle had the ball in his hands A LOT and especially initiated the offense often. From that perspective the 2 assists is too low and the mixed bag defense wasn't good enough. He looks like he'd make a really solid number two option but running the offense through him isn't working so far. Bare in mind though, it's the third game of the preseason and a new role for him; these growing pains could end up worth it considering how productive he was. He's not as far away from making this work as a handful of frustrating isolations might make you think.


I of course also appreciate Pharoah's work

But if we are going to microanalyze Randle all year this will be quite unfair.

He's a solid top 100 NBA player and shouldnt we critiqued like he is Melo.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7823 on: October 18, 2019, 11:48:31 AM »

Randle's contract makes him the one guy the Knicks can't write off next season.  SO there will be much time devoted to his play, both to justify the money (from a sheer stats perspective - expect double-doubles a plenty) and to perhaps unlock deeper aspects to his game and make him more valuable.   

We will have to live with his ups and downs as he is our bell cow #1 player.  Same with RJ as our future bell cow.  Knox is the one guy with a shorter leash.  If his shots aint fallin he doesn't do a whole lot else.
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« Reply #7824 on: October 18, 2019, 12:25:33 PM »

He will be killed here for his perceived (non)contributions to a non-playoff team.

Or he will be appreciated for his talents, even as he falls short of team goals.
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Signs Frank Ntilikina is done as a Knick
« Reply #7825 on: October 18, 2019, 07:30:19 PM »

Knicks have announced Frank Ntilikina won't play tonight. 
He may never play in a Knicks uni again. 
The Pistons have sent scouts to watch the last two games. 
And the Knicks have to decide whether or not to pick up the option on Frank for next season by Oct. 31.   
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DSJ is back from his back injury. 
Enfrid seems like he was promised the starting role. 
RJ Barrett experimenting some at PG. 
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No role for Frank.
 
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Re: Signs Frank Ntilikina is done as a Knick
« Reply #7826 on: October 18, 2019, 07:50:28 PM »

Knicks have announced Frank Ntilikina won't play tonight. 
He may never play in a Knicks uni again. 
The Pistons have sent scouts to watch the last two games. 
And the Knicks have to decide whether or not to pick up the option on Frank for next season by Oct. 31.   
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DSJ is back from his back injury. 
Enfrid seems like he was promised the starting role. 
RJ Barrett experimenting some at PG. 
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No role for Frank.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm
We'll see...
Detroit seems inclined to offer naught but a bucket of warm spit for Frank.
Please, Scott, a #1 please if this is a fait accompli.  Frank acquitted himself well on Wednesday.   

Still, Pistons have Reggie Jackson AND Derek Rose.  And Tim Frazier.

Tony Snell and Luke Kenard at SG.  And Langston Galloway. 

Where exactly does FN fit? 

Even worse than in NY in terms of face time.  Defensive spot minutes. 

Moving Frank makes no sense to me.  Least ways to the Pistons.  Guess it would be a #2 or two at best, reclaim the salary slot and promote Kadeem Allen. 
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DUH
« Reply #7827 on: October 18, 2019, 08:03:39 PM »

We could have drafted Jrue Holiday. 

We drafted Jordan Hill. 

PS: Bite ME. 
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« Reply #7828 on: October 18, 2019, 08:54:57 PM »

And Langston Galloway.

They like Frank. Who says they lie LG

Should be vindication for those here in the FN camp. A top 14 protected 1 is your best hope. Or 2 number 2s which we of course do well with
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« Reply #7829 on: October 18, 2019, 09:30:26 PM »

We could have drafted Jrue Holiday. 

We drafted Jordan Hill. 




Was not nearly right for us at the time
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