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« Reply #9060 on: December 02, 2019, 11:18:51 PM »

Does Dolan let this Front Office get to Dec 15th?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9061 on: December 02, 2019, 11:21:51 PM »

A bright spot with Kadeem Allan moving the ball around?

(maybe I'm reaching)

I thought the same thing.

Broke down the D.

Penetrated.

Defended.

Hit his threes.

PS: What was really startling to me, was how many times Shooters the likes of Ellington, let alone Barrett and Brazdeikis, not only missed their shots, but missed the f****** rim entirely. Not unlike the epic free throw shooting shit show.  Did I say wow?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9062 on: December 02, 2019, 11:38:38 PM »

Yikes.
Smith-Knox-RJB combined 2-25 FG.

Looks like a DJ Willie sighting.
I'd rather DJ than Mr. Consistency (Portis)
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« Reply #9063 on: December 03, 2019, 12:10:49 AM »

Hey Les, who is the Western Conference player of the week?

It seems like everyone plays better when they leave the Knicks. That includes your beloved Zach. Even Thanasis, who woulda thunk?
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 01:19:38 AM by carlos123 »
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« Reply #9064 on: December 03, 2019, 08:48:34 AM »

Turned it off when we were at 6-30 shooting.  I guess it was pretty ugly after that as well.

Good to see they brought Allen up as I asked and he did well.   
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« Reply #9065 on: December 03, 2019, 09:10:50 AM »

Does Dolan let this Front Office get to Dec 15th?

Given this is Mills team and coach without excuses, maybe now Dolan sees Mills for what he really is... a useless POS
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« Reply #9066 on: December 03, 2019, 12:50:31 PM »

Does Dolan let this Front Office get to Dec 15th?

Given this is Mills team and coach without excuses, maybe now Dolan sees Mills for what he really is... a useless POS

The record was 2-8 when the press conference happened.
The record since is 2-9.

Do  you give this front office the chance to fix things by letting them pick the next coach and make the Dec15 trades?

I don't trust this bunch.  If these are Scott Perry decisions or Mills decisions, they're joined. I don't see how one outlasts the other.
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« Reply #9067 on: December 03, 2019, 02:15:36 PM »

Do  you give this front office the chance to fix things by letting them pick the next coach and make the Dec15 trades?


Yes.  Unless Phil wants to come back.

C'mon. Dolan - remember Billy Martin?
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« Reply #9068 on: December 03, 2019, 07:57:36 PM »

Give the keys to Miller. That is the obvious step one.
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Re: This is bad
« Reply #9069 on: December 03, 2019, 11:04:47 PM »

Does Dolan let this Front Office get to Dec 15th?

Given this is Mills team and coach without excuses, maybe now Dolan sees Mills for what he really is... a useless POS

The record was 2-8 when the press conference happened.
The record since is 2-9.

Do  you give this front office the chance to fix things by letting them pick the next coach and make the Dec15 trades?

I don't trust this bunch.  If these are Scott Perry decisions or Mills decisions, they're joined. I don't see how one outlasts the other.

He needs to go.

It's not a "disgruntled fan" sensibility. There's no accountability. There are 30 teams in the NBA. Under Mills leadership, the New York fucking Knicks have become the worse team in basketball. Why does the man still have a job? He makes serious money. How in the world do some people keep failing upwards? Really, it mystifies me sometimes, because it's obvious he's not suited for this vocation. But nope, the slo-mo incompetence goes on and on.

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« Reply #9070 on: December 04, 2019, 08:28:04 AM »

The obvious way to salvage this season is to embrace the tank, trade off vets for yute/picks, and nab another Top 5 or Top 6 pick.
To me a 17 W season is better than a 27 W one.
First off, you get a high pick.  But also you're not fooled into thinking you're close or have pretty good pieces.  So it forces you to evaluate and be ruthless about who to keep.

Morris has played very well.  Find a playoff team for him. 
Also, A lot of teams need depth.
Ellingtonia, Taj, Portis, one of our PG's can be jettisoned.
Package them up to boost a playoff aspirant.
Collect assets.
It would be a good recovery from the short--contract FA splurge we took.
PerryMills just explain that we loaded up on FA vets to see who would fit and who would be an asset to trade.

Again, all this would be a lot more palette-able if we had KZ-RJB-Knox-Top 5 pick - Franc.  But we can still grasp our way forward.  Patience.
Also, mid-season deals tend to go down closer to the trade deadline.  Of course a team like POR with injuries and seeing its season slip away (also SAS?) might be up for a Dec trade.  Though Melo has unexpectedly steadied them (against very weak competition so far ...).

Unfortunately, while the Knix have drafted well the past decade plus, our trades have been poor to horrendous.  The two trades with DAL -- TyC and KZ -- have been awful.  I liked Phil's mini-deal moving Tim Jr for a mid-1st, but Jerian Grant didn't pan out.  I can't really recall what we got for Melo, but at least we traded him at the right time, before he became a fossil. 

So do you trust the Knix or this Knick front office to make a good deal for Morris, and others?  I'd be looking to make 2 deals.  One with Morris, maybe plus a PG.  And another with role players going out.  Taj is valuable for a playoff team.  Ellington viable.  Portis can eat up 20 minutes, but likely has marginal value.
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« Reply #9071 on: December 04, 2019, 10:39:49 AM »

I can't really recall what we got for Melo, but at least we traded him at the right time, before he became a fossil. 


Kanter, McDermott (who became Mudiay), and a 2nd rd pick we used on Mitchell Robinson.
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« Reply #9072 on: December 04, 2019, 10:41:31 AM »

Only Morris AND Randle have enough value to fetch a decent return.

You're just getting 2nd rounders for everyone else like the PGs and maybe Portis.

Taj is this year's DeAndre.... someone will wait for us to buy him out.

Ellington another buyout.
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« Reply #9073 on: December 04, 2019, 10:59:30 AM »

Does Dolan let this Front Office get to Dec 15th?

Given this is Mills team and coach without excuses, maybe now Dolan sees Mills for what he really is... a useless POS

The record was 2-8 when the press conference happened.
The record since is 2-9.

Do  you give this front office the chance to fix things by letting them pick the next coach and make the Dec15 trades?

I don't trust this bunch.  If these are Scott Perry decisions or Mills decisions, they're joined. I don't see how one outlasts the other.

He needs to go.

It's not a "disgruntled fan" sensibility. There's no accountability. There are 30 teams in the NBA. Under Mills leadership, the New York fucking Knicks have become the worse team in basketball. Why does the man still have a job? He makes serious money. How in the world do some people keep failing upwards? Really, it mystifies me sometimes, because it's obvious he's not suited for this vocation. But nope, the slo-mo incompetence goes on and on.

I think Mills would get another NBA job if we dumped him
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« Reply #9074 on: December 04, 2019, 11:04:57 AM »

I think we keep Morris and try to re-sign him.  And we keep Randle.

I will tally up salaries and see what this gives us for next summer
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