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« Reply #8160 on: October 31, 2019, 03:48:05 PM »

Reggie Jackson and a future #2 for Frank and Morris.
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Mills - Fizdale rift?
« Reply #8162 on: November 01, 2019, 04:48:09 PM »

In the latest installment of our PG melodrama it appears that one Steve Mills got in Coach Fizfails ear.


Knicks coach David Fizdale flip-flopped Friday morning and has decided to sic Frenchman Frank Ntilikina on Celtics star point guard Kemba Walker after all.

On Thursday, Fizdale stuck to his guns and announced he would continue to start the backcourt of RJ Barrett and Wayne Ellington amidst this point guard crisis.

Interestingly, Knicks president Steve Mills huddled with Ntilikina after Thursday’s practice but it’s unclear whether Mills influenced Fizdale’s decision-making.
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Fizzing into the wind
« Reply #8163 on: November 01, 2019, 04:55:15 PM »

This makes me mad.  You don't believe in Frank's offense? Cool.  But be professional.  Follow the rules of the locker room.  Locker room expects a "next man up" system.  If you have one healthy PG available, you start that guy.  Period.  End of sentence.   

You don't minimize the guy and say we are starting him because of defense against Walker in the worlds.  OK -- Does that mean he won't start the next game??  Why didn't he start the first Celtics game? What a stupid way to support your starter you just elevated to start - by undercutting his value.

Start him because you believe in next man up.  Because you know he can do the whole job.  This whole chapter is a big Fizfail fuck up.  "Duuuh i'm starting Frank cuz someone reminded me that he should because we need defense and he played good defense against Kemba even though i didn't utilize him in the first game."


I want him to say "we gonna start Frank and expect him to take 10-15 shots tonight".  Show Frank that you believe in his offense -- you kissed Mudiays butt crack for months, say something nice about Frank too.  Not just that he's your only option.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8164 on: November 01, 2019, 04:56:56 PM »

What's the value of playing  a game manager at PG who isn't a threat to the defense.  You're playing 4 on 5 out there.  Yes the defense is good.   But you need to keep other defenses honest also, so the ceiling for this type of prospect s a late #1 or early 2nd rounder.  He went 8th because some scout somewhere said "if he ever gets an offensive game he will be worth picking this early"..... well... we are still waiting for something he innately doesn't have.  Never will have.


Actually when we picked him our scouts thought he could already be effective offensively.  Why?  Because we saw him shine in one event.

Lazy.  And quick to be impressed.  More digging was necessary

And when interviewed, Frank was a fine young man - one that would be great to bring home to momma.  But was there any internal FIRE?  Character goes only so far.
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« Reply #8165 on: November 01, 2019, 05:00:52 PM »

Phil never believed in the new style of PG who needs to be a threat to score from everywhere on the court.  His Triangle offense always featured one or two guys who were scoring duds.

Frank never had his manhood challenged on a playground apparently.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8166 on: November 01, 2019, 05:07:28 PM »

Scouting and projecting young players isn't easy.
In Eurohoopsland, everyone touches the ball and passes, so the PG role is somewhat devalued.  Also, they don't go in for 1-on-1 scoring PG action like the NBA.  It was probably hard to detect that Franc couldn't shoot or would have trouble being an NBA PG.  And of course he was 18 at the time, so you have to try to project out.  While Euroteams tend to play vets heavy minutes and young guys not much.  I'll try to check on Franc's French minutes, but I think it was under 20 a game.

As for scouting, Franc was seen a pass-first true PG with good vision and good athleticism.  Check out this write-up on pre-NBA Franc which credits him with ...
Well, hell, I'll just quote the entire NBAdraftnet positives on Franco:
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Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness … Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft)… Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ … He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely …

A true point guard with a “pass first” mentalityHe can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire …

Possesses an explosive first step …Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling … He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move
When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim… Improving 3-point shooter… He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice …

His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense … He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man … When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender … His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals … Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future … He has a high upside…

Everything I bolded is essentially just wrong.

Great ballhandler?  Rookie year he could barely bring the ball up court under pressure and would be forced to the sidelines.
Can create his own shot?
Explosive first step

You can check out the shorter weakness section, which says that his J looks a bit funny which is probably why his 3's aren't really good.

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Overall: Ntilikina is undoubtedly one of the best International players of his generation. His elite physical tools and feel for the game, combined with his high upside makes him a really intriguing prospect ... He is not NBA ready just yet, but he has all the tools to become a very good player in the future ...

Er . . .
Maybe the Knix development process has been partly to blame.  Les thinks Fizz has jerked him around.  Management certainly has..

Weaknesses

Weak finisher around the basket. Often shies away from using explosiveness to get over his defenders.
Needs to continue getting stronger as he learns how to take contact in driving lanes
Prefers to defer to others to create offense despite his capabilities.

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In a year of depth at the guard position, Ntilikina adds to that depth being the top International guard prospect in this draft.  Good size, versatility, and a solid defender but not the level of the top 4-5 American perimeter prospects.  Mid-first round talent and has a chance to enjoy a long NBA career.”



“While Ntilikina has been playing more as an off-guard at Strasbourg his future is as a point. His physical attributes and feel for the game lead to a likely high upside. While he's currently not of the level of the top American point guard prospects in this draft, I'd expect to see Ntilikina's name to come up by the middle of the first round at the latest."



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Re: Phil
« Reply #8167 on: November 01, 2019, 05:18:21 PM »

Phil never believed in the new style of PG who needs to be a threat to score from everywhere on the court.  His Triangle offense always featured one or two guys who were scoring duds.

Frank never had his manhood challenged on a playground apparently.

Phil never won without MICHAEL JORDAN or KOBE BRYANT doing the breaking down of defenses that usually the best PGs do for contending teams

There is a reason James Harden has played so much point and is often now seen as a combo - and to a lesser extent why Fiz thinks RJ can play it, even at 19.

- Break down D
- Score when the opportunity provides
- Make solid "other" decision which leads to a productive offensive trip when it doesnt

This is a FAIL thus far for Nillie.  He's a paper pusher.  Non dynamic (but yeah - still young at least)

Ball moving type points really need to also have the "strong leader" aarow in their quiver.  Another FAIL - he lets others dictate pulse of the team )but again - still young)

Admitting a draft mistake is often tough but right now keeping Frank is saying WE STILL BELIEVE IN THAT ZEN GUY WE SHOWED THE DOOR
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Re: Second to second to Nunn
« Reply #8168 on: November 01, 2019, 05:29:03 PM »

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/10/31/2019-20-kia-rookie-ladder-week-1


RUI!!!!

Hachimura is winning over fans and teammates alike with his early play. The No. 9 pick has started all four games for the 1-3 Wizards, averaging 18.0 points and 7.0 rebounds (tied for 1st among rookies) on 46.9% shooting. Coach Scott Brooks is giving the former Gonzaga forward free rein, so he should be a regular on the Ladder. “He's going to be special in this league. I think he has the potential to be a star," Isaiah Thomas said of his teammate. "I always tell him he reminds me of Kawhi Leonard when he first came into the league; big body, big hands, midrange game, he knows the game really well."

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8169 on: November 01, 2019, 05:31:48 PM »

Thybulle’s numbers on offense won’t wow you, but the No. 20 pick out of Washington makes his money on the defensive end. Through four games, Thybulle has 12 steals (leading all NBA players) and 6 blocks, both tops among rookies. He’s had multiple steals in all four games (setting a Sixers rookie record) and two or more blocks in three of the four, even more impressive considering he’s only seeing about 20 minutes per game.



Thybulle is the ACTUAL real life defender so many of you insist Nillie IS, could be
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Chasedown block!
« Reply #8170 on: November 01, 2019, 07:43:01 PM »

Frank's career NBA highlight!
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8 man rotation
« Reply #8171 on: November 01, 2019, 08:38:52 PM »

Only Knox, Ellington, and Portis have seen time off the bench in the first half.

Frank with 0 assists.
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Can MMorris play a former team every game
« Reply #8172 on: November 01, 2019, 09:56:27 PM »

Please?
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Free throws cost us this one
« Reply #8173 on: November 01, 2019, 10:01:32 PM »

Really hurts to lose because you can't make the freebies.


The poorly coached team shot 14-21 from FT
The well coached team show 27-29 from FT
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8174 on: November 02, 2019, 03:08:01 AM »

Free throws and the Randle miscues. As major issues go, they seem pretty fixable. Do we get it done?
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