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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9600 on: December 22, 2019, 07:37:15 PM »

Knox 19 Pts, 4 Boards, 3 Blocks, 2 Steals and a team high +8 (in a blowout loss) all in 24 minutes.


Knox doesn't seem to make winning plays

Let me know if that statline comes up

a)  in a close win

b)  more than twice in a month

Donte is better.  Shit happens - they took the guy that was slightly taller and had longer arms

My problem with Knox's stats is that he was scoring late in the games when nobody cared.

I'm a bit frustrated by the entire front court and Knox strikes me as a candidate for trade if we can upgrade the position with a different youngster.

Yes, he's young but there are some motor and attention deficit issues there based strictly on watching him play games.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9601 on: December 22, 2019, 07:42:32 PM »



I don't think playing 3 PG's is tenable.
I'd send Jr. Smith or Franc down to the Gleague to get mucho reps.  Though I realize that's not how the NBA does things.  And actually I think you'd need their agreement, since they are both 3rd year players.  But I'd only play 2 and instead of having the 3rd sit and DNP, I'd have him getting 30 mins a night running a team (just in the burbs).  I think that would be good for Franc to act as a table setter and scorer; good for Smith to regain confidence and work on his outside shot in real game situations


I dont think not playing every game will stunt anyon'es development

Damage was already done with the fragile Smith - anyone's guess if the confidence can be built back up.

Elfrid, though still young - is already a fairly finished product - and the deserving starter moving forward. 

Frank will roll with whatever.... and I guess that is a feather in his cap.


What if DSJ isn't fragile?  What if all the talk and public relations about fixing his shot and working hard this summer was just bullshit?  And what if its an unfixable attitude that's holding him back?

During last night's contest I saw him dribble up court and just chuck one up as if that were his natural instinct.  Scary bad self-centered, decision-making.

As for Frank, this year's Payton will be what Frank plays like either second-half or next year  They are look-alike players with Elfrid simply having more experience under his belt.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9602 on: December 22, 2019, 07:43:47 PM »

So I wonder why Elf started.  MIL doesn't even use a PG with Bled out.  Maybe coach was afraid of a blowout loss of the sort that sent Fizz packing(?)   Or maybe it's just the Knick slow 1Q starts.  Certainly didn't change anything -- Knix down 14 after 1Q ...


Good site for future reference re:  player moves

https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/30434/frank-ntilikina

I wouldn't wipe my ass with this "reference".  You think just "waiving" Ntilikina is sage advice?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9603 on: December 23, 2019, 02:16:54 AM »

Jr. Smith had a back injury, and then his stepmom who raised him died.  So it's understandable if his focus and preparation have been underwhelming.  Tough times.  I wouldn't give in to any Sell Low impulses. 

I could see a few weeks in Westchester being good for Franc.  Get him out of hesitancy mode.  Force him to make quick decisions, shoot the ball, run an offense with confidence. 

Similarly, Suburb Knix could help Smith get his rhythm and confidence back. 

Would give us the benefit of 2 PG's, and hopefully get both Franc and Smith better.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9604 on: December 23, 2019, 03:18:15 AM »

Sure seems like there are fewer upsets this year than in the past.
Seems everyday the results are pretty predictable.
Even when a weaker team wins it seems largely due to schedule, home-road, or stars out due to injury or rest.

Seems a fairly predictable year.  Good teams win; poor teams lose.


Also, for those who haven't noticed the East has caught up to the West.  7 teams playing .500 or better in both conferences.  And that's only due to OKC's recent win streak.  The inter-conference record is about dead even -- the other day someone reported the East was ahead 76-75.

So those years of fretting and wanting to change the playoff seedings and such seem misguided and forgotten.  Once they got LeBron into the West, everything balanced out <joking>.
Giannis developed; '6ers got processed; TOR and BOS built smartly; INDy is somehow consistently good; MIA turned the corner.

It's a wide open year, but again feels like the Good Teams and the Weak Sisters are as clearly delineated as ever.  Very few teams in that middling middle median.  Just the Nets and OKC really.
(Portland is there sue to injuries -- but Nurk and Zach will return at some point).

#6 seed Pacers .667 winning %
#8 seed Magic   .414

#6 seed U-Jazz     .621
#9 seed SacKings  .414
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9605 on: December 23, 2019, 04:28:28 AM »

TOR was down by 30 in the 3Q.
Scored 47 4Q Pts.
Lowry and 4 bench guys seem to have done it.
Somebody perhaps named Malcolm Miller went 0-4 FG for 0 Pts and yet was a +29 in 17 minutes!
Lowry had 20 4Q pts, one shy of DAL team.

Both teams missing key players.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9606 on: December 23, 2019, 06:18:11 AM »

So I wonder why Elf started.  MIL doesn't even use a PG with Bled out.  Maybe coach was afraid of a blowout loss of the sort that sent Fizz packing(?)   Or maybe it's just the Knick slow 1Q starts.  Certainly didn't change anything -- Knix down 14 after 1Q ...


Good site for future reference re:  player moves

https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/30434/frank-ntilikina

I wouldn't wipe my ass with this "reference".  You think just "waiving" Ntilikina is sage advice?

Thanks FWK. 

From God's lips to your butt...

PS: In Kiid's Omniverse, Frank, among other things, is pigment challenged. 
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« Reply #9607 on: December 23, 2019, 06:44:56 AM »

Has been evolving. 

His motor. 

His focus. 

His defense (blocking a fair number of shots). 

His offense (varying his attack, driving to the hoop, creating space, besides launching treys). 

He has played, what, a year and two months, has been coming off the bench behind MM, and a significant quorum of informed fans are ready to ship him out of town? 

Sigh. 

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9608 on: December 23, 2019, 09:31:42 AM »

 Heh

You guys crack me up.  The Frank analysis - the waiving - was for fantasy leagues
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9609 on: December 23, 2019, 09:35:03 AM »

Ship Knox out of town, Chip?  Just to get rid of him?

Nah

This was for Wiggins

Maybe you favor just reupping Marcus M.  That's fine.

18 mil per.  Saves us 10 from Andrew.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9610 on: December 23, 2019, 09:52:20 AM »

I think Minny would be happy to offload Wiggy.
They're losing and he isn't worth his contract.
Don't think NYK should take him on.
His D is poor and we don't have the structure to put around him.
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« Reply #9611 on: December 23, 2019, 10:13:54 AM »

Ship Knox out of town, Chip?  Just to get rid of him?

Nah

This was for Wiggins

Maybe you favor just reupping Marcus M.  That's fine.

18 mil per.  Saves us 10 from Andrew.

I'm open to re-upping MM. 

Wiggins? 

Baffles me.  Puts up decent numbers, for sure, though not commensurate with his rate of pay [27, 29, 31, 33 million through 2023].  Be that as it may, he is skilled but oddly not in an impactful way. 

People talk about Kevin Knox seeming oddly disengaged.  Wiggins makes Knox look like a cross between Jimmy Butler and Kevin Garnett. 

Their games are actually kind of similar; Knox has better range on his trey. 

If we going to continue to suck, then taking on contracts like Wiggins seems pointless.  People are going out of their minds at the money we're giving Randle and Portis, who are good role players, but not bell cows.  We had a potential bell cow, but he is now in Dallas, for whatever reasons...spilt milk. 

Not that we have a shot in hell of getting Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis in 2021. 

Might as well just keep grunting forward through the draft, hope we get lucky in the lottery, and try to make lemonade out of our lemons.   

Meanwhile...I really like RJ, but he baffles me.  This is a top tier athlete, who has competed at the highest levels, has great physical gifts, a positive winning demeanor, and is a willing passer and defender. 

But watching him tease us by nailing a couple of long threes, than clang a half dozen midrange jumpers in a row [.389 FG%], get to the line with consistency and then shoot free throws at a desultory .543% [73-133] clip?  RJ is basically giving us 14-5-3-1 a game in 32 minutes, which is not too shabby; still, while I really like him, I feel as though we are indulging him too much, not unlike how Fizz did with KK last season, and I believe, given the presence of Dotson and Trier, and the return of Reggie Bullock, that it may be time to raise the bar for him in terms of earning his minutes and not prematurely anoint him as the franchise. 
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« Reply #9612 on: December 23, 2019, 02:27:36 PM »

Chris Iseman: Knicks say Marcus Morris (sore left Achilles) is doubtful for tonight. Taj Gibson (illness) is questionable. Wayne Ellington is still out. – via Twitter ChrisIseman

Well, maybe the KNICKS beat the Wiz.  We shall see. 

With MM and Taj out, likely see more of RJ at SF, perhaps in a small ball lineup with KK at the 4 and Portis at the 5...have to wonder, as per Kiid, if RJ might be better suited match-up & sill wise at the 3 than the 2. 

Payton to start, and I would hope DJ to spell him, with Frank splitting minutes with DD and Trier at the 2. 

I am pulling for Trier.  We need offense, he has demonstrated a willingness to not dominate the ball....but when called upon, with a squad that cannot shoot particularly well, someone who can generate offense?  Who can drain threes at a 40% clip and free throws at roughly 80%?  Hello. 

Robinson-Randle-RJ-Trier-Payton

Portis-Knox-Dotson-Frank-Dennis

But hey, what do I know? 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9613 on: December 23, 2019, 04:15:45 PM »

Wiggins can reach as high a level as Porzingis.  Minnesota paid on the come - and Wigs is having a nice year.

If Knox gets to there I will be pleasantly surprised
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« Reply #9614 on: December 24, 2019, 12:53:57 AM »

James Harden and Russell Westbrook will be the 49th and 50th players in NBA history to score 20000 points.

Andrew Wiggins is on pace to be at around 18000 by his 30th birthday

If he keeps the pace and plays til age 35 he will be in the top 20 alltime.
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