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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9735 on: December 28, 2019, 05:52:09 PM »

But no.  Smith has to be gone first
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« Reply #9736 on: December 28, 2019, 07:25:54 PM »

Spree was a choker ...


Since Chip loves Trader Vic's, here's how we continue the glorious Knick tradition of getting eminent PG's at the end of their careers.

Knicks trade
Morris - Portis - Ellington

Knicks get
Chris Paul and a 1st rounder (+ one of OKC guys making 1.5M)

I'd rather give them Randle, but Randle and Adams would be a definite clog.  Morris gives them a starting caliber SF and versatility.  He can also be insurance in case Gallo leaves -- they'd need to re-sign one of them. 

OKC gets out of Paul's huge contract and opens space for Shai Guy to play PG.  Shai - Morris - Gallo - Adams is a pretty nice quartet.  Ferguson - Shroder - Portis as bench guys.

Knix would have:
CP3 - RJB - Knox - Randle - Mitch
ELf/Franc - Dot - Taj
CP3 with Randle in the Blake Griffin role and Mitch as the DeAndre C.  It would help us evaluate our yute playing with a quality PG.
Maybe Paul could mentor Jr. Smith.

Knix would have a rudder.
I'm sort of ambivalent about it.

I'd rather keep Morris, give them Randle and let them keep their pick.  CP3 - RJB - Knox - Morris - Mitch looks like a pretty good balance of scoring and D.  But then you need to plan on re-signing Morris.  Looks like a fairly competitive team.  Say 6th in the East, assuming KI & KD return reasonably healthy next year.

OKC is complicated.  For one thing they are playing decent ball.

However and, as usual, they'll be looking to save money.  I think Adams is on the block as is CP3 though he's in denial I think.

The only problem with the Morris for Randle substitution is that he wants to stay near family.  Philly was mentioned as a preferred landing spot should it come to that.

If the Knicks do reach for a PG my druther would be Conley - least risk IMO.  And Rubio.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9737 on: December 28, 2019, 11:18:18 PM »

Knicks management was right
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« Reply #9738 on: December 28, 2019, 11:20:53 PM »

Tatum a horror today

But good player
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« Reply #9739 on: December 28, 2019, 11:43:49 PM »

Nice stat line.

30-16-6.

Third straight 30+plus game. 

Cool, now we can trade our 25-year old bell cow while his value is high, and don't forget to throw in 24 year old Portis and 20 year old Knox. 

And maybe we can get back a 34 year old PG making $38,506,482  in 2019/2020, $41,358,814 in 2020/21 and    
$44,211,146 in 2021/2022. 

Or a 32 year old PG making $32,511,623 in 2019-2020 and $34,502,130 2020/21.   

To play with WHOM, exactly? 



Clearly I am not sophisticated enough to appreciate the subtle turns of mind which concocted these stratagems. 

PS: In what quadrant of the known MOTHERFUCKING UNIVERSE, is Houston looking to trade Russell Westbrook.  Don't bogart that joint, my friends. 



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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9740 on: December 29, 2019, 01:01:30 AM »

If there are picks for Smith or Ellington, sure. Doubtful, but sure.

Otherwise we are playing well and showing talent. Steady as we go.
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« Reply #9741 on: December 29, 2019, 01:42:37 AM »

Knicks management was right

Just plain lucky that a great coach fell in their laps when keeping their chosen one became untenable.

Warming up to Dolan for forcing them to dispose of Phony Phizz. If he can now convince Ujiri to take over and gets rid of those clowns I’d be delighted with ownership for a change. Come on Jimmy, throw a 100 mil at Masai. And while you’re at it, hire Oak to keep you under control, you know, as VP for executive management or something...
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« Reply #9742 on: December 29, 2019, 02:43:11 AM »

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Masai Ujiri's contract with the Raptors is believed to expire in the 2020-21 season and he is expected to move on only then.

One rumory site had the Knix giving 2 1st rounders to get Ujiri.  Which means he'd cost at least one.  Which kind of thwarts rebuilding.  So if you want Ujiri I'd counsel patience.


So Randle is able to take advantage of an undrafted guy no one's ever heard of playing in his 2nd game this year and only 25th of his career.  Exciting times Knick fans.  Exciting times.

Wiz tossed out a D-leaguered team. 
No Beal, no Hachimura, - Bertans, -Thos Bryant - Mo VVagner.
Gad, Wiz started 2 guys who they just signed this week.
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« Reply #9743 on: December 29, 2019, 02:57:53 AM »

But no.  Smith has to be gone first
I was thinking you move Franc since CP3 plays pretty solid D still, and Franc's value is probably higher than Jr. Smith.  You've got 2 more years of CP3 after this, so that's time to see if Smith can develop a game under a very good mentor.  But the 2nd or 3rd string PG isn't that important.

Assuming Knix are wary of or unable to re-sign Morris, trading for CP3 makes sense.  Gives the Knix a solid competitor, respected vet voice, organized PG play, a tone and style.  With CP3, Randle, Mitch, RJB, the Knix would just be a starting SF away from being credible.

Would put the Knix squarely in the playoffs next year, right about INDy and BKY level.  Add a Top 10 pick.  Maybe make a small trade or two to thin out our not-ready-for-prime-time G's.  Try to pick up a shooter.  It's a direction.  Something to build off of.
Paul would help the development of Mitch, RJB and Knox. 
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« Reply #9744 on: December 29, 2019, 09:43:44 AM »


So Randle is able to take advantage of an undrafted guy no one's ever heard of playing in his 2nd game this year and only 25th of his career.  Exciting times Knick fans.  Exciting times.

Wiz tossed out a D-leaguered team. 
No Beal, no Hachimura, - Bertans, -Thos Bryant - Mo VVagner.
Gad, Wiz started 2 guys who they just signed this week.

Last I checked, in the NBA, a win is a win. 

Someone is wounded you are obliged to take advantage. 

I seem to recall JR playing pretty well in rare wins against KP and Draymond. 

But hey, I reckon I'm just a pussy with an inexplicable rooting interest in my team and the struggles of its players. 

Go figure.   



Still, if I linger long enough with BoD, there is hope for me yet, that I might embrace the Dark Side Of The Farce. 
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« Reply #9745 on: December 29, 2019, 09:55:34 AM »

If there are picks for Smith or Ellington, sure. Doubtful, but sure.

Otherwise we are playing well and showing talent. Steady as we go.

Plenty of bumps in the road as we encounter more formidable adversaries. 

There were a handful of games early on under Fizz where we competed hard and purposefully against winning teams, and others where we got nuked. 

Collectively and individually, we have, and will continue to be up and down. 

Trades?  If there are moves that make sense, sure, bring 'em on. 

But the sense that you just swap out one set of bodies for another? 

There are going to be moves made before February 15. 

Meanwhile, for better and for worse, many of my fellow "fans" seem immune to the notion of camaraderie and what role sharing negative, MORE NEGATIVE, and positive experiences mean to a "TEAM".   

It's not a matter of trusting the process. 

It's a matter of respecting the process. 

Do we really TRUST Perry & Mills?

[Crickets]

Do we really TRUST Coach Miller?

[Stay Tuned]

Do we respect the players on this roster?

[Judging by the majority, not a whit]

I seem to recall Randle playing pretty well against a Nyets team, that while they have their share of walking wounded, still had a reasonable assortment of competent bigs to match up against Randle. 

But I reckon beating a team with a winning record on their home floor doesn't count. 

Knock yourselves out. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #9746 on: December 29, 2019, 10:49:52 AM »

If there are picks for Smith or Ellington, sure. Doubtful, but sure.

Otherwise we are playing well and showing talent. Steady as we go.

If you want to win as many as possible this year Ellington is plenty useful.
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« Reply #9747 on: December 29, 2019, 11:00:20 AM »

I’ll grant that Ellington is a less of an anchor than Smith, though not by much and only because he understands how to play D. He’s the second least effective player on the team.
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« Reply #9748 on: December 29, 2019, 11:03:27 AM »

Good vet.  Excellent work ethic for young players to emulate.  Keep til deadline then gauge his value.  Obvious filler guy if his salary is needed in a deal.  Getting a second rounder for Wayne (likely won't anyway) not that important.

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« Reply #9749 on: December 29, 2019, 12:43:37 PM »

Knix need shooters.
Ellington is a decent vet, but a journeyman.  Useful guy to have around, but also could be used to sweeten a deal.  I doubt we could get a 2nd rounder for him, though 2nd rounders for playoff teams, those below the 45 pick are considered worth little.


Knix really need a starting caliber PG.
Every coach will fail without one.
Maybe Elf can cover.
INDy got away with Collison and ORL with DJ Auggie.
And those are backup PG's like Elf who toughened up a bit and took advantage of starting ops.

I wonder how this season would have looked with Rubio on the team. 

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