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chipstern

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« Reply #10335 on: January 17, 2020, 05:49:41 PM »

The correct argument - Chip - is "why would you want Porzingis here at the salary we'd have needed to give him and the ? surrounding all aspects of his overall package?"

And the only proper comeback would be that we could/should have shopped him around or at a different time.

I have my doubts about the talking points of both sides. 

Clearly, things came to a head. 

Why don't we leave WHAT IF to a more gifted practitioner such as LesterDawg. 

What we do know is our "assets" from the KP trade were cap space, Dennis Smith and two mid-to-late first rounders. 

Remains to be seen if KP's current knee problems are a harbinger of future decrepitude or simply a blip on the radar screen.  He had been playing quite well. 

And again, given your sense that patience would've produced better returns? 

Well, given the alacrity with which this deal went down, one might presume that Perry and Mills had been exploring back channels for quite some time.  And that given Cuban's anointment of Doncic, and the franchise's spiritual connection to Dirk, that KP represented a pretty valid roll of the dice as Dirk 2.1

Will KP blow up in Cuban's face? 

Stay tuned. 

Meanwhile...

Post-Operative Timmy has come around nicely. 

Courtney Lee is an expiring contract. 

While on our side of the ledger? 

Wes Matthews is a starter for Milwaukee. 

Deandre is a key rotational player for the Nyets.

Dennis has been a disaster. 

Julius and Marcus have been solid statistical free agent additions with moneys saved from KP and Courtney and Timmy and (and...wait for it, wait for it...coming right at you...ENES), while we jettisoned all of Fizdale's "projects" in favor of Bullock and Taj and Eldfird and Ellington with remaining cap space on the short term. 

Let's see how many games Porzingis logs come April, and if he is part of a playoff push. 

As for our Knicks, and the ongoing drum circle calling for Randle and/or Morris to be cashiered, well....

The real question is...

Do we want Perry and Mills making such decisions, or do we wait for yet another re-boot come April and the possibility of another James Dolan Savior? 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10336 on: January 17, 2020, 07:01:00 PM »

Of the current crop of vets, guys with four or more full years of service, who would you most like to see stick around for the next iteration, whatever that turns out to be?

My top three in order of importance are Randle then Morris then Bullock. After that start significant drops in interest.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10337 on: January 17, 2020, 08:52:05 PM »

Do we want Perry and Mills making such decisions, or do we wait for yet another re-boot come April and the possibility of another James Dolan Savior?


I think Perry gets to do the draft.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10338 on: January 17, 2020, 08:56:45 PM »

Of the current crop of vets, guys with four or more full years of service, who would you most like to see stick around for the next iteration, whatever that turns out to be?


Randle (not even a question) and Morris

I can let go of Payton assuming we add a PG

Gibson, Bullock, Portis as well - Bobby being the tough call because he has quite a ceiling.  Just dont see him getting necessary minutes here.  Maybe not anywhere, true.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10339 on: January 17, 2020, 09:18:13 PM »

Nice pickup today in fantasy -

Norman Powell
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10340 on: January 17, 2020, 09:20:27 PM »

New guy worth a look -

getting some PG minutes with Teague gone - sharing the court with Napier at times as well -

Undrafted out of USC

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6133/
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10341 on: January 17, 2020, 09:41:07 PM »

Of the current crop of vets, guys with four or more full years of service, who would you most like to see stick around for the next iteration, whatever that turns out to be?

My top three in order of importance are Randle then Morris then Bullock. After that start significant drops in interest.

Actually....

Yes. 

Contingent on some vision of a PG in the future, as Bo keeps suggesting, quite rightly. 

Right now, I'm of a mind to find a starter there. 

Right now we have 4 back-ups, all capable in their way, but...well, you watch the games.  I think Kadeem should be getting a longer look, which means someone needs to go?  He would flourish methinks as a 15-20 a night man.  The others?  Not so much.  So who is redundant and with which of our guards and wings to we cast our lot. 

Besides RJ & Reggie. 

This needs to be sorted out. 

Smith?

Ntilikina?

Peyton?

Dotson?

Trier? 

Ellington? 

Finally?

My draft fan tasty is not a Spherical Ball but a Large Wise Man.  Whoever pointed to Ayon as proof for why the Knicks should pursue Drummond.  Not until summer in any event, and then, Andre does not have anywhere near the offensive upside and versatility of the big kid from Phoenix.  But I believe Taj has taught Mitch all he can.  Mitchell is tantalizing.  Mitchell is blessed with great natural talent and athleticism.  Mitchell is limited. 



Speaking of 15-20 minutes a night. 

JAMES WISEMAN, Lord. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10342 on: January 17, 2020, 09:41:28 PM »

PG search

Any of you collegiate hoops savants who get time to watch the younguns

Check out:

Arizona (Mannion)*
Iowa State (Haliburton)
Kentucky (Hagans)*
UNC (Anthony)
Kansas (Dotson)
Duke (Jones)*
Oregon (Pritchard)
Marquette (Howard)
SDSU (Flynn)*
Mich St (Winston)*
St Johns (Heron)
Nebraska (Mack)

* faves thus far
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10343 on: January 17, 2020, 09:43:41 PM »

PG search

Any of you collegiate hoops savants who get time to watch the younguns

Check out:

Arizona (Mannion)*
Iowa State (Haliburton)
Kentucky (Hagans)*
UNC (Anthony)
Kansas (Dotson)
Duke (Jones)*
Oregon (Pritchard)
Marquette (Howard)
SDSU (Flynn)*
Mich St (Winston)*
St Johns (Heron)
Nebraska (Mack)

* faves thus far

I believe that mid-to-later first round, there might be some PG talent to be harvested. 
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Praying
« Reply #10344 on: January 17, 2020, 09:46:39 PM »

Praying That Perry Can Convince Some Team That Dennis Smith Is Worth A Late First Rounder, Much As Fultz Was.

No, not comparing them. 

But with rehab and patience and program that was clearly committed to MF, he has recovered, and begun to find his voice. 

Or as part of a package. 

Not hopeful. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10345 on: January 17, 2020, 09:53:44 PM »

I can see Smith as salary filler with Morris/Portis/Gibson/Ellington/Bullock (pick 2 or more) - big ticket coming back.

What big $$ guy other than Wiggins has just 1-2 years left on his deal?  YES, I take an elite scorer and pay him alongside Randle short term
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10346 on: January 17, 2020, 10:16:10 PM »

I can see Smith as salary filler with Morris/Portis/Gibson/Ellington/Bullock (pick 2 or more) - big ticket coming back.

What big $$ guy other than Wiggins has just 1-2 years left on his deal?  YES, I take an elite scorer and pay him alongside Randle short term

Okay.

But not Wiggins. 

Morris shows signs of being a winner. 

Which is what makes him a potential asset. 

Don't want to divorce one of our best signings for spare parts. 

Wiggins should be killing with Towns.

He has not. 

Ask Jimmy Butler. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10347 on: January 17, 2020, 10:17:57 PM »

OKC

Roberson on ending deal and likely out for the year

a)  send them Morris for Roberson, a pup and a pick

or

b)  send Morris with others and take back Galinari, Roberson and pups/picks

The picks would likely be second rounders or late 1s from other teams, not OKC's 2020 #1

The pups

Diallo - just 1 year left then I think RFA
Bazley - 1 guaranteed at 2.4, then 2 options
Patton - not much guaranteed but signed thru 2022

I think they need Noel but if we send Gibson maybe we get a looksee/re-sign possibility with Nerlens

So, firs swipe at it

Morris, Gibson, Bullock,  Dotson and Trier   for Galinari, Roberson, Noel, Diallo, Patton + a #1 and an option to swap 1s in another year.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10348 on: January 17, 2020, 10:19:41 PM »

New guy worth a look -

getting some PG minutes with Teague gone - sharing the court with Napier at times as well -

Undrafted out of USC

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6133/

Sure. 

A younger Kadeem. 

Like Napier.  Has heart and underrated skillset. 

Nyets should have hung on. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10349 on: January 17, 2020, 10:20:29 PM »

Wiggins should be killing with Towns.

He has not.

Ask Jimmy Butler.


I dont know, man - pretty strong year going for Wiggy
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