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How Should the Basketball "Topics" Be Arranged?

Knicks, NBA, College
- 3 (50%)
Knicks, Other Basketball
- 0 (0%)
NBA, College
- 1 (16.7%)
Basketball
- 0 (0%)
Leave it as it is
- 2 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: August 30, 2020, 02:57:14 PM


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« Reply #11175 on: February 13, 2020, 11:09:47 PM »

The Earthly Remains Of The Second #1 pick the Knicks ponied up on the Stephon Marbury trade. 

Another great mystery in Knicks Pisstory.

You go, Gordon. 

PS: Tatum makes me reflect on Reggie Lewis.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11176 on: February 13, 2020, 11:15:12 PM »

that game was a blast and a half.

2 very good teams going head to head for 58 minutes

playing intense hoops

and so many great individual performances

And Tatum is a 2-way monster
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« Reply #11177 on: February 13, 2020, 11:23:11 PM »


And Tatum is a 2-way monster

No

DISCLAIMER: I’m just quoting Chico.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11178 on: February 13, 2020, 11:25:43 PM »

Followed it on Yahoo.  NBA at its best

What happened to George?
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« Reply #11179 on: February 13, 2020, 11:30:01 PM »

Followed it on Yahoo.  NBA at its best

What happened to George?

Nothing
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11180 on: February 14, 2020, 02:25:58 AM »

Reported PG13 hurt his hammy. I really liked how physical Tatum and Jaylen were their rook years.   Generally yute takes a while to get physical with grown-ass men.   RJB another exception (though without the D and shooting of Tatum/Jaylen).
Knox is more typical.   He looks like a specimen and now and then takes it strong.   But usually can't finish,  avoids making the contact,  gets knocked down or off-balance,  etc.

I was trying to trade Melo for Jaylen & Rozier when those guys werent seeing much daylight. And of course pre-Gordo trade.

But while Jaylen is a good player,  Tatum can be all-star level .  Paul George,  Danny Granger, prime Rudy Gay level.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11181 on: February 14, 2020, 02:49:11 AM »

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

Thx.   I usually use Hoooshype,  and as far as I can tell they list Taj & Ell as full contracts.

Okay,  so both are team options.  Certainly drop Ellington.  That's pretty clear.   Bullock or Dot can take his minutes. But preferably we get a genuine SG starter.   Brooks or Bogdan or a rook. Convert Portis & Ellington into Bogdan or Brooks (or FleetvanFred) and might still have $5M left over.  $18M sounds right. $20M could be done.

I'd think about giving MoHark up to Ellington/midlevel money.  $6-$8M range.
Hark has shot around 36% on 3's only on very low volume,  just taking very open ones.   Which is smart.   Maybe he can ramp up.   I guess our losing Knick team can afford to greenlight him and find out.

Drop Portis & Ell and that's an extra $23M to play with.  Taj at $10M is fine.   If you need the extra money,  drop him and add a WCS,  Alex Len or whatever other serviceable  Big will be available on the cheap.  But youd only be saving $5M and lose a hard worker and locker room presence.  Or could always go the opposite direction and drop Taj but upgrade to Plumlee at say $12M or so.

Have to say I'm impressed you guys are already so up on FA's and the Knix salary structure.
I'm barely past our underwhelming trade season.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11182 on: February 14, 2020, 03:24:44 AM »

Didn't see the game,  but 60 FG's for Lashing and Loud,  but just 8 FGs for Morris in 42 mins?   Clips also took 37 FT's,  but none for Morris.   I guess there always an adjustment, but real odd MaMo would get the 6th most shots,  and likely 7gh in PG didn't go gimpy after just 15 mins.
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Re: Gordon Hayward
« Reply #11183 on: February 14, 2020, 10:39:26 AM »

The Earthly Remains Of The Second #1 pick the Knicks ponied up on the Stephon Marbury trade. 

Another great mystery in Knicks Pisstory.

You go, Gordon. 

PS: Tatum makes me reflect on Reggie Lewis.

Because Gordon Heywad worked out so great for Utah.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11184 on: February 14, 2020, 10:40:35 AM »


Have to say I'm impressed you guys are already so up on FA's and the Knix salary structure.
I'm barely past our underwhelming trade season.

You're slippin. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11185 on: February 14, 2020, 10:42:53 AM »

Drop Portis & Ell and that's an extra $23M to play with.

OR exercise their team options and thats an extra $20-$30mil in salary you can take back in trade.  You're assuming there's $23mil worth of FA out there that want to come here.  FA won't work.  Sign a 23mil guy (who you'll probably have to overpay to come here lets be real) now you're stuck with an overpaid 23mil guy for the full length of his deal.  BUT if you trade for someone else's overpaid bad-fit at least there will be fewer years on the deal and you're not limited to this off-season crop of dubious talent.

TRADES BO!  TRADES!

Or just let Ellington and Taj expire after next season for that year's FAs.  Do the least harm.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11186 on: February 14, 2020, 11:19:24 AM »

Yikes.   I think youre outthinking yourself. 
Aren't useful bad contracts akin to good misses and positive turnovers?

Taj,  Elf,  Franc,  Jr.  Smith, Knox,  RJB,  Bullox, possibly a resigned Hark.
We'll have plenty of contracts between $4M - $10M to swing deals.

I'd simply prefer dropping Ellingtons $8 on Hark.  Or less if possible.  Hark for $6M would be a bargain.

You can make a case for Portis, if you think he can grow.   Maybe we should run a trial 2 weeks of Portis starting and see how it goes.  But I don't see why we would want Portis at $16M or someone else would trade for him at that rate.

And yes I'd prefer to consolidate Portisellington's $23M into one quality starter (doubling our current count).   Be nice if can do it for $18M or $20M and save a little. But I don't mind a $3 - $5M overpay.  We're that desperate for starters.
$20M for FVV,  $18M for Brooks or Bogdan. Add $2M if needed.  Snag one of them and we're in much better shape.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11187 on: February 14, 2020, 11:48:12 AM »

You can make a case for Portis, if you think he can grow.   Maybe we should run a trial 2 weeks of Portis starting and see how it goes.  But I don't see why we would want Portis at $16M or someone else would trade for him at that rate.


Not sure you are following

Kam wants to eventually deal Bobby and Wayne for someone else's salary dump.

Paul may be a bad example but lets use him

We take CP's 2021-22 contract - a bad one - and give OKC the relief - using - partially - 23 mil from Wayne and Bobby, then adding others, maybe a DSJ if he is still her......etc.

We would have to pay Paul for one year then have a crapload of space when the free agent pickins are greater

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« Reply #11188 on: February 14, 2020, 12:18:54 PM »

Kid gets it.

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Taj,  Elf,  Franc,  Jr.  Smith, Knox,  RJB,  Bullox, possibly a resigned Hark.
We'll have plenty of contracts between $4M - $10M to swing deals.

I'm not trading all that young low priced talent.  I'm trying to trade bloated expirings.

Elling+Portis+filler and you can get an All-Star on a big contract who needs a new team.

Or just let them go and don't re-fill that space with a mid-tier player who takes you out of the 2021 summer signing season.
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Re: The Knicks Brand
« Reply #11189 on: February 14, 2020, 12:32:25 PM »

DeAndre Jordan, another survivor of Mills' KP trade, wonders aloud as to how cheap the rent must be in Westchester.

Mr. Dolan.

You hired a branding specialist,  who turned out to be the latest in a string of lightweights. 

Rose?

Want to attract top free agents?

If I was making 20 million dollars a year, I might very well like to get a hip Manhattan apartment in a building with a gym.  I might not like to commute one hour to and one hour from our Westchester County practice facility, preferring to use those two hours to, oh, I don't know, play with my kids...TAKE A FUCKING NAP before game time at the Garden.

I mean....DUH.

It's weird that Dolan can't find a gym in the city.  All these Colleges here with teams.  Not one wants to let the Knicks use their gym twice a week?

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nets-deandre-jordan-on-knicks-practice-facility-the-rent-must-be-cheap-out-there/312759222
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