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Meanwhile the "MSG Training Center" is located in Tarrytown
« Reply #11190 on: February 14, 2020, 12:37:08 PM »

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With today's professional athletes having to compete at a higher level than ever before, the New York Rangers and Knicks began training year-round in the state-of-the-art Madison Square Garden Training Center in Tarrytown, New York in September 2002. This facility is another proactive element of the organizations' continuing commitment towards supplying Madison Square Garden sports fans with the most competitive teams in their respective leagues.

The Madison Square Garden Training Center offers the Rangers and Knicks the opportunity to utilize the best equipment, the best training regimen, the best environment - to elevate their performances when they open their respective schedules in the NHL, NBA and WNBA. The 105,000 square-foot facility, set on 16 acres of private land in Westchester County, is equipped with well-appointed private areas and office space, exercise rooms with dedicated equipment for each team, the latest technology and first-class amenities.

The facility features two basketball courts and one NHL regulation-sized hockey rink. Each team's area within the Madison Square Garden Training Center includes:

1,800 square-foot complete cardiovascular and weight room
Steam rooms, whirlpool and cold plunge
Gated parking lots located adjacent to a private entrance into the players' lounge
Tiered classrooms with high-back theater style seating
State of the art video editing rooms
Coach's loung/offices

The training center also features amenities to be shared by all teams, including a Hydro Worx 1000 aquatic therapy pool, a dining room with seating for 40 people and auxiliary locker rooms which can be utilized for visiting teams in need of additional practice time during their stay in New York.

Media accommodations include dedicated media rooms and workstations, pre-wired for phone and Internet access, an interview room for one-on-one or small group interviews, as well as cabled locations for remote broadcasts. The basketball courts and hockey rink are all equipped with dedicated seating for attending media.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11191 on: February 14, 2020, 12:57:17 PM »

I thought the idea was Westchester was supposed to be state of the art.


We couldn't find anyone better than Portis to drop a 1 year $16M deal on?   Last year we hit with Morris.  Get a 2nd year team option like we did by overpaying Portis, in case the guy does well.

Again,  we have plenty of $6M-$8M contracts,  so Ellington is a waste.  Portis for $16M hoping to help a tram dump salary is peculiar.   I'd only go that route if I thought Portis was a useful player who might develop.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11192 on: February 14, 2020, 01:11:59 PM »

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  the Knicks fly in and out of Westchester County Airport as opposed to one of the major airports in the New York/New Jersey area. Players who live in Westchester can drive themselves home in about 10 minutes after road trips, according to a source.

While the drive from Westchester to the Garden can be difficult during rush hour, having an easier commute from the airport to home or home to the practice facility is a counterbalance.

Though they could fly in/out LaGuardia,  but that place used to always be a mess.
Small airports are nice.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11193 on: February 14, 2020, 01:20:19 PM »

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  the Knicks fly in and out of Westchester County Airport as opposed to one of the major airports in the New York/New Jersey area. Players who live in Westchester can drive themselves home in about 10 minutes after road trips, according to a source.

While the drive from Westchester to the Garden can be difficult during rush hour, having an easier commute from the airport to home or home to the practice facility is a counterbalance.

Though they could fly in/out LaGuardia,  but that place used to always be a mess.
Small airports are nice.

Well its 41 home games a year driving home vs.....  a lot fewer than 41 nights driving home from the airport. 
And young players don't want to live in Westchester.  That is the assumption made that being near Westchester airport is so great.  For whom?  The real housewives of NY?
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Re: The Knicks Brand
« Reply #11194 on: February 14, 2020, 01:53:23 PM »

DeAndre Jordan, another survivor of Mills' KP trade, wonders aloud as to how cheap the rent must be in Westchester.

Mr. Dolan.

You hired a branding specialist,  who turned out to be the latest in a string of lightweights. 

Rose?

Want to attract top free agents?

If I was making 20 million dollars a year, I might very well like to get a hip Manhattan apartment in a building with a gym.  I might not like to commute one hour to and one hour from our Westchester County practice facility, preferring to use those two hours to, oh, I don't know, play with my kids...TAKE A FUCKING NAP before game time at the Garden.

I mean....DUH.

It's weird that Dolan can't find a gym in the city.  All these Colleges here with teams.  Not one wants to let the Knicks use their gym twice a week?

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nets-deandre-jordan-on-knicks-practice-facility-the-rent-must-be-cheap-out-there/312759222

Or.....

Set up a state of the art facility within the Garden.

If players can drive, taxi or limousine  between practices and shoot arounds, and eliminate all of the commuting time between the STATE OF THE ART FACILITY in Westchester, that leaves so much more time to recharge one's batteries and catch up on sleep. 

Travel in the NBA is brutal.   Factor in all those hours wasted commuting to and from Westchester, let alone all of the unnecessary down time for players who are compelled to live in Westchester rather than in Manhattan.

I actually picked up the chief medical cat for the Nyets one night in my taxi, and he detailed all of the steps Nyets management was engaged in to make things easier for players, in terms of physical therapy, rehab, conditioning and connections with the Brooklyn.  community.

Do not underestimate the positivity of a bond between players and community.

Back in the day, the reason the bond between the borough's fans and the Brooklyn Dodgers was so profound is the players lived where their fans did.

Obviously that was a different Brooklyn than today's high rise borough, but simplifying life for your. players, while optimizing  conditioning AND minimizing down time that could better be spent resting or connecting with your fan base is a WIN-WIN.

I mean, I don't care how state of the fucking art the team's practice facility is.

These are your NEW YORK KNICKS....the Westchester Knicks are a farm team.

The Nyets get it.  They represent Brooklyn.

While Dolan seemingly represents the suburbs?

Feel me?

Dolan has enough cash to BBQ a damp elephant.  The money he pissed away on Phil's remaining years or presumably the same on our new branding genius, could better be spent on optimizing living and working conditions for our players.

How many close games come to mind this past season where we seemed fatigued or out of sorts or simply ran out of gas in the fourth quarter.

"The small details, RALPH."
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11195 on: February 14, 2020, 01:58:31 PM »

Yeah.  They can just dig down further.  Or maybe get rid of some of those meddlesome tracks.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11196 on: February 14, 2020, 02:01:46 PM »

I thought the idea was Westchester was supposed to be state of the art.


We couldn't find anyone better than Portis to drop a 1 year $16M deal on?   Last year we hit with Morris.  Get a 2nd year team option like we did by overpaying Portis, in case the guy does well.

Again,  we have plenty of $6M-$8M contracts,  so Ellington is a waste.  Portis for $16M hoping to help a tram dump salary is peculiar.   I'd only go that route if I thought Portis was a useful player who might develop.

"In case the guy does well....."

Problem is what YOU see as doing well.  Your posts drip with general negativity on guys that score 18-20 per 36 and bust their asses.

Try giving just one year and 16 mil to someone you view better than Portis.
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« Reply #11197 on: February 14, 2020, 02:06:43 PM »

Yes, LaGuardia is a disaster area.

Presumably when returning to the County Airport from a road trip, the team is gegting home after midnight. 

You can get to midtown Manhattan during off peak hours in 30-45 minutes. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11198 on: February 14, 2020, 02:14:38 PM »

Why not Lost Batallion Hall on Queens Boulevard?  History there.
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« Reply #11199 on: February 14, 2020, 10:48:08 PM »

Try giving just one year and 16 mil to someone you view better than Portis.

The idea that Portis is the epitome of a 1 year signee doesn't hold water.   We just had a much much better Morris at $18M.  There are often guys who don't get the offer they want because the market dried up for whatever reason,  they were coming off injury or poor production,  etc. who are willing to bet on themselves on a one year to go for a big contract the following year (when more teams will have cap space).

Besides I don't really buy in that having a $16M contract will lead to anything.   We just had exactly that with Portis (even better since he was a team option/ending contract)  and nothing happened.

I want to use that Portis/Ellington money on a starter,  preferably a starting G.

I'm okay keeping Portis if we miss out on a quality FA, think he's valuable to us and tertiarily might make good trade ballast.

Portis is an okay backup,  with poor defense,  high inconsistency,  a tendency to make dumb plays.  Some nice underlying skills.   If he was more consistent,  I could live with his flaws.   The other issue is he plays the same position as our only legit starter.

I give Portis a Big Shrug.   Hope we could do better for the dollar.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11200 on: February 14, 2020, 11:26:22 PM »

My posts are highly negative on guys who play turnstyle D,  take bad shots,  are inconsistent,  make bad plays.  No matter what their per min scoring might be.

Maybe on a more stable team, with a PG and system in place and a clearly defined role,  Portis might be a useful rotation piece.   With none of that,  Portis flaws show out,  and his passing ability and pretty good outside stroke don't amount to much.   He did rebound consistently well for us.   The rest of his skills were flashes and teases.

You get very enamored of scoring.   I'm looking for consistency and playing good basketball,  not just one aspect.

Jimmer and Austin Rivers and Tim jr. get you excited. Flashy scorers who add little else.

And yes,  give Rivers credit for becoming a pesky defender as his outside shot slumps.   While Tim is finally having a pretty good year.   
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11201 on: February 14, 2020, 11:34:53 PM »

Overall,  we prefer/favor very different players.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11202 on: February 15, 2020, 12:34:38 AM »

Real Plus/Minus:
Knox 489/490.
Jr. Smith 481.

Lost season for both.   Maybe give both of them a 2 week stretch of starting.   See if they can figure anything out with more minutes.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11203 on: February 15, 2020, 12:43:28 AM »

lol, Miller ain't gonna do that unless somebody makes him.
The eye test hasn't deceived. These two, sadly, have been not just terrible, but stunningly terrible.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11204 on: February 15, 2020, 12:47:12 AM »

Nice night for Barrett. Hes good when nobody is guarding him.
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