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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[chipstern]

Hoped for the best when it happened, but hated the deal. Hated it more when Melo refused to attempt to become a Kobe or a Michael, at least on offense when he was given the chance to try, after taking a fucking extension.

The Curry trade was worse. At least Melo got us the long toothed assassin gang that crashed badly on Mt. Hibbert, so close to the summit. Curry never found big boy pants at all as a basketball player.

We signed a Jazz guy as a new Assistant GM. The Jazz have drafted well & he gets some cred for that. He’s also worked with Perry somewhere before.

The Big3 have packed in their season this year. Looking to kick it off again in 2021.

YES. 

Two GOOD Hires by Rose. 

A Cap Master & A An ACE SCOUTING Wiz, both with good people skills around the game/league. 

And heretofore no affiliations with MSG. 

PS: At scouting combines the great Phil Jackson was often observed napping. 

[Kam]

Melo trade would've worked out a lot better if Stoudemire's legs held up.
As it stood, what were we going to achieve with Gallo and Mozgov when Amare went down?
Melo got us to a higher level than we would've otherwise been able to sniff.
Sometimes you have to accept that no alternative would've produced nearly as high a return.

[facilitatorn]

Even given the premise that Felton would have fallen off the wagon eventually and couldn’t have sustained his pre-trade level of play, you still discounting Wil Chandler. They had a good post-Melo run in Denver and were fun to watch.

We’d have had a good, young, growing team in New York with room to add talent.

At least Melo helped us get the old head team together. That was pretty darn good.

[facilitatorn]

Hoped for the best when it happened, but hated the deal. Hated it more when Melo refused to attempt to become a Kobe or a Michael, at least on offense when he was given the chance to try, after taking a fucking extension.

The Curry trade was worse. At least Melo got us the long toothed assassin gang that crashed badly on Mt. Hibbert, so close to the summit. Curry never found big boy pants at all as a basketball player.

We signed a Jazz guy as a new Assistant GM. The Jazz have drafted well & he gets some cred for that. He’s also worked with Perry somewhere before.

The Big3 have packed in their season this year. Looking to kick it off again in 2021.

YES. 

Two GOOD Hires by Rose. 

A Cap Master & A An ACE SCOUTING Wiz, both with good people skills around the game/league. 

And heretofore no affiliations with MSG. 

PS: At scouting combines the great Phil Jackson was often observed napping.

But wait, there’s more!

http://knickerblogger.net/newsday-knicks-finalizing-deal-with-frank-zanin-to-be-assistant-gm-source-says/

Leon’s getting the band together.

“I pulled into Nazareth feelin bout half past dead...

[kiidcarter8]

Melo trade would've worked out a lot better if Stoudemire's legs held up.


As would have Curry's deal if HE (and others) had held up

See how that works?

[kiidcarter8]

We gave up TWO #1 picks and TWO #2 picks to get Curry, like wise to get Marbury.  ALL LOTTERY PICKS.


Yeah - as I said - didnt appear we'd be giving up a 5 and a 9 overall when we made the deal.

Chandler was OUR pick that we got back in that deal as well.  Lower than 9 (Noah), but a later first which we did (surprisingly) hit on.

Curry was a very good player at the time.  And he played well for us his first 2 full years.

Was either Larry Brown or Isiah Thomas the right coach for him?  That is debatable - and also on Curry to not be able to excel in any situation.

LB's playing Mali Rose and Mo Taylor over the rookie Lee.... and his shenanigans in general set the franchise back - and turning to Isiah was a silly remedy.

[bodiddley]

Curry was overweight and didn't play D.  Unsurprisingly he got injured.
I didn't want Curry and much preferred waiting to get TyC.
Of course later when we finally did we had a weirdly balanced team of Melo-Amare-TyC.

I was fine with the Melo trade.  We gave up a good deal to get a prime star who at the time was also one of the best clutch players (along with Pierce).  Melo apparently wasn't willing to wait for Summer (which would have been best for NYK and Melo).  And if we didn't trade for him, Nets probably would have.  We might have wound up with Deron then.  Who was a damned good player, but lost his motivation.

The Melo trade was one that benefited both teams, but not enough to make much difference for either.  Wil and Gallo had trouble staying healthy.  Melo was selfish on court and played poor D.

[kiidcarter8]

Curry was overweight and didn't play D.  Unsurprisingly he got injured.


You don't know shit about this great game.

Curry's strength never was - and never was going to be his defense.  To paint him as lazy and a low level athlete is a shit for brains take.

He got hurt because he got hurt

[kiidcarter8]

Eddy vs Shaq

Diesel gets flattened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8qKHm4_Vk

[facilitatorn]

Eddy vs Shaq

Diesel gets flattened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8qKHm4_Vk

Hey, Big Snacks looked good for a whole series one time. No love for Snacks?

[Kam]

Melo trade would've worked out a lot better if Stoudemire's legs held up.


As would have Curry's deal if HE (and others) had held up

See how that works?

No. Curry deal was bad because Curry was bad and then unhealthy.  Melo was neither. 
What teammate of Curry's took up a max salary and missed as many games?

[Kam]

Again for those who aren't getting it:

The reason the Melo trade made sense at the time (and dealing the youth and picks) was because we had invested in Amare' who had a very short window even without hindsight.  Amare and a team on pups was not going to do much (especially when both Chandler and Gallinary had their own injury issues).

If we hadn't gone after Amare (Who was 'Plan D' after missing out on LeBron, Bosh, Wade et al) we would probably have not felt the urgency to make a swing for the fences deal with Melo.

So i trace the deals back to Donnie Walsh in 2008 coming in and not giving a fair deal to David Lee, saving and losing for two years to clear the books for the Summer of 2010 and then striking out, desperately signing Amare and putting the team on a short time frame.

Had he invested in DLEE and had the Knicks stayed away from starchasing in free agency we could've had a young team, the young core everyone was hoping not to trade away.  Once the die was cast with Amare instead of Lee the wheels were in motion to add a "second star"

[Kam]

Even given the premise that Felton would have fallen off the wagon eventually and couldn’t have sustained his pre-trade level of play, you still discounting Wil Chandler. They had a good post-Melo run in Denver and were fun to watch.

A) Chandler is a career journeyman.   
B) We were damn fun to watch for a while there and almost got to the East Finals
C) We did get Felton back at some point.

[facilitatorn]

When you have a young team doing things you want a vet team to do and they are keeping their nose near the water line while trending up, I’d rather keep that rolling than tear it down for a mishmash of talent at a couple of positions and hoping you can hold it all together by adding from the cast off pile to fill it out. Giving it a year or two to figure it out would have been just as fun to watch and would have left us ready for the next starphuck crapshoot a year or two down the line, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[chipstern]

The "justification" was BS then and is BS now, and this from someone who got with Melo based on what he did when he got here. 

TYPICAL KNICKS FAN INSTANT GRATIFICATION. 

We should have insisted Melo wait until the summer to sign on as a free agent, but he floated the idea of signing with the NYETS and the Knicks FREAKED and CAVED and FOLDED like a cheap beach chair.   

We had a winning record, and a young team with good chemistry, chaired by our free agent Stoudamire, and a PG in Felton was peaking and having a career year. 

We basically mortgaged our present and our future, and gelded the cajones of anyone looking to add talent to surround Melo with. 

Forget for a moment that Ujiri anally raped Donnie and Dolan on draft picks. 

He basically got us to give up...

Our starting point guard in Felton.

Our starting center in Mosgov

Our starting small forwards in Gallinari and Chandler.

Curry and that PF we got in the GS/Lee deal made the numbers work. 

Billups was a good man, but on his last legs.  All the other pieces we got back were basically garbage. 

The one piece, I forget his name, that big rangy SF who played for Donovan in Florida, that we didn't even give a look see at before waiving him.  He went on to chart several years as a solid defensive player on a number of teams. 

So spare us the condescension,  Kam. 

PS: Once before in Knicks history we traded our starting PG and our starting Center a hall of famer) in a big deal that DID NOT INCLUDE ANY FUTURE DRAFT PICKS, and left our core of youth intact. 

PPS: Komives and Bellamy for DeBusscherre, which worked out pretty good.