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How Should the Basketball "Topics" Be Arranged?

Knicks, NBA, College
- 3 (50%)
Knicks, Other Basketball
- 0 (0%)
NBA, College
- 1 (16.7%)
Basketball
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Leave it as it is
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Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: August 30, 2020, 02:57:14 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #12780 on: August 05, 2020, 06:57:06 PM »

Randle for Dewayne Dedmon & De’Andre Hunter.

Gets us a backup 5 who can mentor Mitch and spread the floor.

Gets us a big young swing with a fundamental game and team first approach who can play 3 next to RJ’s 2 in a traditional lineup or 4 next to RJ’s 3 in a small ball set.

Randle is the best player in the deal and can play alongside Collins or Capella. With Randle as a strict 4 man, Reddish and Huerter make Hunter disposable in upgrading production from DD to JR. with their PG situation the Hawks should be able to steer Randle away from spinning forays into the paint.

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Here We Go Again.
« Reply #12781 on: August 05, 2020, 08:34:23 PM »

We now need the guy who gets it done when Mitch goes to the bench. That’s still not Kanter.

And Dedman is? 

At 13,333,333 for the next two seasons, because, of course, much better than picking up Bobby Portis's $15,000,000 for one year. 

Spread the floor?

He shot .222 last year. 

Better we should have Kiid spread his legs. 

PS: Why the fuck does Atlanta give us DeAndre?  And who is our PF going forward?  We're giving up on Portis, right?  Who replaces Julius' 19.7 ppg, 9.7 boards and 3.1 assists.  Kenny Wooten?  Nice talent like Mitchell, but on offense? 

PPS: And hey, maybe Thibs has a better plan for using Randle. 

PPPS: Creative trade.  But again, Dedman?  I think not.  Would I do it if we got Hunter?  Yes I might?  But DeAndre seems very much like a Hawks builing block going forward.  Back to the drawing board. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #12782 on: August 05, 2020, 08:58:07 PM »

Wish we had KZ and Rubio.

He left.

Has there ever been a budding young star, still on a rook contract, who forced his way out?

KZ left because of organizational dysfunction.
Phil thinking that he and his retrograde system was the star of the show.
The crappy way that Melo and Noah were treated.  The coaching carousel.
The antiquated system.  Never got KZ a PG partner.  Etc.

Most teams coddle their star, pay them more than other teams can, keep his trainers and end-of-the-bench friends with the team, etc.
Knix completely and thoroughly blew it.
And then to make matters worse, rushed a trade for useless parts.
Just embarrassing.

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« Reply #12783 on: August 05, 2020, 10:45:29 PM »

In addition to Elba I follow other Knicks communities.  This is the only corner of the internet where people are pining for our lost big man.   You never hear about him because in that same trade we acquired a better big.  The pick we used to draft Mitchell Robinson.  Why worry about missing defense when you can bring in a fly swatter type with lob skills for days.  The best shooting percentage ever!  And yeah, he can rebound a little bit as well.

We haven't missed our forlorn big one bit.

I really don't care, but today Enes was a +7 in 5 minutes.

OTOH, we have Mitchell and Taj, so we're ok in that department.

Also, WE KNOW you haven't missed your cousin Kanter one bit.

Still, more than a +1 per minute. IMPRESSIVE! 😁

Take the bait?
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« Reply #12784 on: August 06, 2020, 02:00:44 AM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #12785 on: August 06, 2020, 05:23:07 AM »

Ouch.
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« Reply #12786 on: August 06, 2020, 05:32:06 AM »

We now need the guy who gets it done when Mitch goes to the bench. That’s still not Kanter.

And Dedman is? 

At 13,333,333 for the next two seasons, because, of course, much better than picking up Bobby Portis's $15,000,000 for one year. 

Spread the floor?

He shot .222 last year. 

After years at 38 & 35%. He had no role last year until he got back to Atlanta. He does a very nice job defensively with much more craft than athleticism. When he has a role, he’s been a good plus-minus guy and win shares guy as well.

You are underselling Dedmon. He’s not the A talent though he makes more salary. Consider him the cost of adding Hunter without hurting cap space or sending out draft picks.

He’s not yet 31.
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« Reply #12787 on: August 06, 2020, 11:02:31 AM »

I like that deal.
Get a promising yute and a backup C for Randle.

But how does that work for ATL?
You can't really play Capela and Randle together as that would clog the paint.
And you don't really want Julius jacking 3's (though he's willing).

Collins is a very nice young PF.  Does Randle come off the bench?  Is so what's the point?   And Randle is a one position fella.  Can't credibly play backup C, so his time is all at the expense of Collins.

ATL needs more defense around Tre.
Isn't DeAndre a 3&D wing and their best young wing defender?
I don't see ATL trading away defense and positional versatility for Randle's offense and PF fixture.

I didn't realize Hunter makes $7M.  A high pick. 
And yeah you can just pretend Hunter is getting $13M and Dedmon $7M.
Maybe they'd give us Cam Reddish, who struggled mightily then came on ... ?
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« Reply #12788 on: August 06, 2020, 11:50:56 AM »

Thinking about it more, ATL would have to be crazy to give us two defenders for one offender.  They need defense around Trae.  Can't rely on Capela alone.

DeA Hunter fits the prototype of the modern NBA wing.  Qucik, rangy, swicthcable, plays D, can make some 3's.  Randle a bull in the china shop, throwback post-up Big, who plays one position and likes to spin out of control and turn the ball over.  They can get enough turnovers from Tre.

Not happening.
I'd go it for the Knix.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #12789 on: August 06, 2020, 11:56:47 AM »

In addition to Elba I follow other Knicks communities.  This is the only corner of the internet where ...

I wasn't aware Kam was cheating on us.
I feel so violated ...
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« Reply #12790 on: August 06, 2020, 12:53:36 PM »

lmao...

that means the true total of kanter-did-my-mom-but-i'll-show-him! posts is prob approaching 25k

he's a super-spreader!
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« Reply #12791 on: August 06, 2020, 01:00:54 PM »

In addition to Elba I follow other Knicks communities.  This is the only corner of the internet where ...

I wasn't aware Kam was cheating on us.
I feel so violated ...

It's not cheating to look!
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« Reply #12792 on: August 06, 2020, 01:33:46 PM »

In addition to Elba I follow other Knicks communities.  This is the only corner of the internet where ...

I wasn't aware Kam was cheating on us.
I feel so violated ...

And it’s waaaay more than looking. Following, and who knows what else? 😳
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« Reply #12793 on: August 06, 2020, 02:11:45 PM »

I tune in mid 1Q.
Sacto up 28-16 after 6 minutes.
49-39 after 1Q.  Both teams shot over 70% Fg.
Pels need to play some D.
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« Reply #12794 on: August 06, 2020, 03:48:53 PM »

My lack of enthusiasm for Dedmon notwithstanding?

DeAndre went at #4, right after RJ.  Basically gave the Hawks 12-4-3 a night, and solid D. 

They are NOT SHOPPING HIM. 

The deal you suggest?  There would HAVE TO BE a #1 pick in there, and/or another piece, such as a Bullock or Dotson, or a Brazdeikis or Knox. 

And again, this forum's lack of enthusiasm for Julius, I would be VERY SURPRISED is the Knicks trade Randle. 

Again, it says here that Thibs gets to COACH him. 

Julius shooting threes and being a point forward facilitator? 

Not a good look. 

A post presence who can get you 20-10 and is a willing 3 dime a night passer? 

Seems like there's something to work with there.

C: Robinson, Gibson
PF: Randle, Wooten
SF/PF: Knox, Harkless
SF: Brazdeikis
SF/SG: Barrett. Bullock, Dotson
SG/PG: Ntilikina
PG: Smith, Harper

That's 13.

No LOCK that Harkless or Dotson are back, but would think they are type of defensive players Thibs would like.

Gibson?  Some sort of cut and re-sign. 

Why?

Projecting?  Defense Offense

Robinson-Randle
Wooten-Gibson

Projecting? 

Ellington?

Gone.

Portis...Peyton?

On the bubble.  Like them both, but a numbers game.  Bobby give you offense, often seems lost on D.  Peyton a good rudder, decent defender and penetrator but we end up playing 4 on 5 offensively because his lack of a reliable jumper simply is not tenable in a starter.  Of course we could say pretty much the same things about Dennis, however....

The draft likely determines FA and Trade decisions going forward.  Not exactly a revelation, that, but summer speculations and more trade
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