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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Thanks, Kam.

So yeah, they cut his pay pretty good - but he stayed.

[facilitatorn]

Terry and Hampton are considerations if one falls to 27 or if there is a way to consolidate the later two picks to move up. Neither interest me at 8. Kira a little ahead of both maybe. Quickley not too far behind.

[bodiddley]

From HoopsHype:

Taj Gibson: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21, Contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Wayne Ellington: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21,  Contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Elfrid Payton: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21,  contract becomes guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Reggie Bullock: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21, contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.

Uh, have such dates been pushed back?
These dates would have been in individual contracts, unless there is some contingency clauses in there as well.

Otherwise, Taj probably isn't worth $9.5M to mentor Mitch and Randle.  Waive him and he gets $1M then resign him at $4M.  If he wants to play for a playoff team at that money or less, maybe it's best to wish him well.
But he's likely to get 15-20 mins a night as a Knick.  And be a lockerroom presence under Thibs, and live in NYC.

Again, I think we could replace Taj with another C pretty easily. 
Myers Leonard, Alex Len, etc.  Those guys significantly younger and probably dropping into the $5-$8M range.
If Taj returns, he could be useful.  If he leaves, he's replaceable.

Ellington isn't worth his $8M option.
Elf for $8M is reasonable value.  Might even be worth keeping as a trade chip or so we could trade Franc/Jr. Smith and still be stocked up at PG (even if we did bring in FVV or Ball or whoeva).

I'm interested in what we do with Mo Hark.  I recall him locking Melo up in his rook year and thought he'd have a better career.  Seemed like a competitive type with some nice tools, but has become more of a screener role player.  I'd be interested to see MoHawk be more aggressive on both ends.  Grow from within.
See if we could lock him up with a 3/$22M deal.

No way do I want Portis back at $15M.  Don't care for where his head is at.

[bodiddley]

Julius Randle: Only $4,000,000 guaranteed in 2021/22, contract becomes guaranteed if not waived by June 28, 2021.

Julius Randle: He can make $900,000 for making an All-Defensive Team, earning an All-Star selection or making the playoffs having played in at least 65 games.

Interesting.  One more year of Orangeandblue Julius at $19M and then we can decide if we want ti keep him for $20M or dispose of for $4M.  That could also make for an interesting trade chip for a team that wants to save a lot of money, by slotting Randle in at $20M and then dropping $16M.  Without ticket sales, some teams might be hurting financially and looking to avoid taxes or just high salary.

Otherwise, Randle not likely to earn that extra $1M bonus.
Hell, I'll pay Randle $900K if he makes the all-Defensive team!

[Kam]

From HoopsHype:

Taj Gibson: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21, Contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Wayne Ellington: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21,  Contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Elfrid Payton: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21,  contract becomes guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.
Reggie Bullock: Only $1,000,000 guaranteed in 2020/21, contract becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by October 17, 2020.

Uh, have such dates been pushed back?
These dates would have been in individual contracts, unless there is some contingency clauses in there as well.

Otherwise, Taj probably isn't worth $9.5M to mentor Mitch and Randle.  Waive him and he gets $1M then resign him at $4M.  If he wants to play for a playoff team at that money or less, maybe it's best to wish him well.
But he's likely to get 15-20 mins a night as a Knick.  And be a lockerroom presence under Thibs, and live in NYC.

Living in NYC during the pandemic isn't much of a draw.  People left NYC in droves this year for the burbs.

[bodiddley]

Living in the USofA during the pandemic isn't much of a draw.
Maybe they should play out the next NBA season in virus-free China.

[bodiddley]

NBA scout on what DET should do in the #7 slot above us:
https://sports.yahoo.com/detroit-pistons-pick-killian-hayes-130109905.html
He thinks Killer Hayes makes the most sense for them.  Or Okoro.
Dropping TyHal down to us. 

Be great if they went Okoro giving us a choice of Hayes or Ty, but I think that's unlikely.  DET is basically in the same boat as NYK.  They have a flawed but productive PF (Blake-Randle).  A C they can more or less rely on (Drummond-Mitch).  And a young wing they're trying to develop (Kennard-RJB).    We both need a PG and defense and shooting.

Anyway, this scout says that Hayes was kind of lost on his previous French team with too many similar players, but developed a lot as lead G in Germany.

Othersowise:

My first tier is actually six guys, and it’s all pretty close. It’s just that all of them are a little bit different. But I think the market values are pretty close, it just sort of depends on which teams you’re looking at for each guy. The first grouping, and not necessarily in this order, would be Anthony Edwards, James Wiseman, LaMelo Ball, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija and Onyeka Okongwu.

This on PG's is interesting:

Point guard is definitely one of them that they could look to address. With Killian, Kira Lewis, Haliburton and RJHampton1, I actually don’t think there’s that big a difference.

He's big on Kira:

That first grouping of point guards, I think there’s five or so that are in that group, they’re all so different. It’s a preference-type thing. Kira Lewis, he’s got elite speed and he shoots the ball well. That combination should translate to the NBA pretty well. One guy that he reminds me of a little bit is Darren Collison. I don’t know if the kid’s going to be a superstar, but just with his speed and shooting ability I think he fits the NBA game pretty well right now. I think he’s at least going to be a good player, if not a really good one.

His sleepers:

Isaiah Stewart from Washington, I think he’s one guy. The kid is just such a brute, 6-9, 250, just tough kid, great kid, a kid with high character. A couple other guys — Malachi Flynn from San Diego State at point guard, Elijah Hughes from Syracuse and Jalen Harris from Nevada.

Keeps sounding like from 20-27 there will be some solid PG prospects.

[Kam]

Living in the USofA during the pandemic isn't much of a draw.
Maybe they should play out the next NBA season in virus-free China.

Canada is a good option for a North American league.

My point was addressing yours about it being better to live in NYC.  All i'm saying is.... not this year.  The advantages of NYC are blunted.

[bodiddley]

Unclear what kind of season can be expected.

Does it make sense to have teams travel all over the country and open big stadiums -- which takes significant staffing -- if there won't be fans? 
Will there be fans but with capacity limits?
A lot of states probably won't permit fans in stadiums.

Do you run a few bubble sites?

[Kam]

Do you run a few bubble sites?

I vote for this option.   Make divisions and division rivalries meaningful again.  Win or come in second in your division/bubble to go to the playoff bubble.

[bodiddley]

I was thinking along the same lines.
But 4 bubble sites with 7 or 8 teams each makes more sense than smaller divisional bubbles.  Then you'd play a lot more games against teams in your bubble.  And then maybe randomly reassign the teams to the 4 bubble sites at the mid-point of the season.

Well, it looks like the NBA is considering a 73 game season.
And starting before XMas.
If you're not going to be able to put fannies in the seats, might as well get revenue form playing on Xmas.  I thought they might start the season on Xmas, but it makes more sense to get a week or so of games in so viewers are attuned to the NBA and tune in to the Christmas games.  Skipping Xmas sounded like a big mistake to me.  I guess the NBA realized that as well.

Draft Nov 17, FA maybe Nov 24, then training camp Dec 1.  Compressed but doable.


NBA proposal is to maybe play more series 2 or three games as in baseball to limit travel and contacts.  But a big advantage for teams playing homestands. Two game series probably more reasonable than 3.

[chipstern]

Earth to Bo.

Drummond is gone. 

In the final hour before Thursday's NBA trading deadline, Cleveland agreed to acquire two-time All-Star center Andre Drummond from the Detroit Pistons. The struggling Cavs will send forward John Henson, guard Brandon Knight and one of their two second-round picks in 2023 to the Pistons. 

Both Henson and Knight's salaries now come off the cap for the Pistons.

PF-C Christian Wood is a RFA.

PF-C Thon Maker's [Cannot confirm the status of his qualifying offer]. 

As for the Knicks, it could very well be that both Hayes and Halliburton are gone before we pick.  Bulls and Hawks pssible destinations. And the Pistons currently have Derrick Rose, so they are a possibility as well. 

Just for giggles, with apologies to Kiid, this is how the NBA DRAFT.NET projections have evolved

1    Minnesota   Anthony Edwards   6-5   225   SG   Georgia   Fr.
2    Golden St.   Deni Avdija   6-9   210   SF   Israel   Intl.
3    Charlotte   LaMelo Ball   6-8   180   PG   USA   Intl.
4    Chicago   Killian Hayes   6-5   195   PG   France   Intl.
5    Cleveland   Obi Toppin   6-9   220   PF   Dayton   So.
6    Atlanta   Onyeka Okongwu   6-9   235   PF/C   USC   Fr.
7    Detroit   Devin Vassell   6-7   200   SG   Florida St.   So.
8    New York   Isaac Okoro   6-6   215   SG/SF   Auburn   Fr.
9    Washington   James Wiseman   7-1   235   C   Memphis   Fr.
10    Phoenix   Patrick Williams   6-7   215   SF/PF   Florida St.   Fr.
11    San Antonio   Tyrese Haliburton   6-5   185   PG   Iowa St.   So.
12    Sacramento   Tyrell Terry   6-3   160   PG   Stanford   Fr.
13    New Orleans   Aaron Nesmith   6-6   215   SG/SF   Vanderbilt   So.
14    *Boston   Jalen Smith   6-10   215   PF   Maryland   So.
15    Orlando   Vernon Carey   6-10   270   PF/C   Duke   Fr.
16    Portland   Theo Maledon   6-5   175   PG   France   Intl.
17    *Minnesota   Precious Achiuwa   6-9   225   PF   Memphis   Fr.
18    Dallas   Cole Anthony   6-3   185   PG   North Carolina   Fr.
19    *Brooklyn   Saddiq Bey   6-8   215   SF   Villanova   So.
20    Miami   Tyrese Maxey   6-3   200   SG   Kentucky   Fr.
21    *Philadelphia   Jaden McDaniels   6-10   200   PF   Washington   Fr.
22    *Denver   Josh Green   6-5   200   SG   Arizona   Fr.
23    Utah   Nico Mannion   6-3   190   PG   Arizona   Fr.
24    *Milwaukee   Aleksej Pokusevski   7-0   190   C   Serbia   Intl.
25    *Oklahoma Cty   RJ Hampton   6-4   175   PG/SG   USA   Intl.
26    Boston   Jahmius Ramsey   6-4   190   PG/SG   Texas Tech   Fr.
27    *New York   Kira Lewis   6-3   170   PG   Alabama   So.
28    LA Lakers   Leandro Bolmaro   6-6   180   SG   Argentina   Intl.
29    Toronto   Zeke Nnaji   6-11   240   PF/C   Arizona   Fr.
30    *Boston   Devon Dotson   6-1   185   PG   Kansas   So.       I

31    *Dallas   Isaiah Stewart   6-9   250   PF/C   Washington   Fr.
32    *Charlotte   Tyler Bey   6-7   215   PF   Colorado   Jr.
33    Minnesota   Elijah Hughes   6-6   215   SG   Syracuse   Jr.
34    *Philadelphia   Immanuel Quickley   6-3   190   PG/SG   Kentucky   So.
35    *Sacramento   Daniel Oturu   6-10   240   C   Minnesota   So.
36    *Philadelphia   Paul Reed   6-9   210   PF   DePaul   Jr.
37    *Washington   Reggie Perry   6-9   250   PF   Mississippi St.   So.
38    *New York   Isaiah Joe   6-5   165   PG/SG   Arkansas   So.
39    *New Orleans   Filip Petrusev   6-11   225   C   Gonzaga   So.
40    *Memphis   Udoka Azubuike   6-11   280   C   Kansas   Sr.
41    San Antonio   Cassius Stanley   6-5   190   SG   Duke   Fr.
42    New Orleans   CJ Elleby   6-6   185   SF   Washington St...   So.
43    Sacramento   Tre Jones   6-2   185   PG   Duke   So.
44    *Chicago   Malachi Flynn   6-2   175   PG   San Diego St.   Jr.
45    Orlando   Payton Pritchard   6-2   195   PG   Oregon   Sr.
46    *Portland   Nate Hinton   6-5   210   SG/SF   Houston   So.
47    *Boston   Grant Riller   6-3   190   PG/SG   Charleston   Sr.
48    *Golden St.   Ashton Hagans   6-3   190   PG   Kentucky   So.
49    Philadelphia   Jordan Nwora   6-7   220   SF   Louisville   Jr.
50    *Atlanta   Cassius Winston   6-1   185   PG   Michigan St.   Sr.
51    *Golden St.   Lamar Stevens   6-7   230   SF/PF   Penn State   Sr.
52    *Sacramento   Jay Scrubb   6-6   220   SG   JUCO   So.
53    Oklahoma Cty   Nick Richards   6-11   245   C   Kentucky   Jr.
54    Indiana   Austin Wiley   6-10   260   C   Auburn   Sr.
55    *Brooklyn   Omer Yurtseven   7-0   275   C   Georgetown   Jr.
56    *Charlotte   Markus Howard   5-11   175   PG   Marquette   Sr.
57    LA Clippers   Karim Mane   6-4   200   SG      So.
58    *Philadelphia   Tyrique Jones   6-8   235   PF   Xavier   Sr.
59    Toronto   Mamadi Diakite   6-9   230   PF   Virginia   Sr.
60    *New Orleans   Yoeli Childs   6-8   225   PF   BYU   Sr.

[kiidcarter8]

In the final hour before Thursday's NBA trading deadline, Cleveland agreed to acquire two-time All-Star center Andre Drummond from the Detroit Pistons. The struggling Cavs will send forward John Henson, guard Brandon Knight and one of their two second-round picks in 2023 to the Pistons.



heh

I listed Drummond in Cavs starting lineup here just 2 days ago

[kiidcarter8]

Just for giggles, with apologies to Kiid, this is how the NBA DRAFT.NET projections have evolved



I like their site - and cite it often.

PROFILES and video from here are most useful - not so much the mocks.

FTR - no way in hell does Wiseman fall to 9.

[bodiddley]

I heard with the coming financial crash that the Cavs and Pistons were going to merge and become the Pistoliers, relocate to Akron and be owned by LeBron.  Could I have been fed fake news by the Chinese?  Or was it Rudy?

Okay, so maybe the Pistons are in worse shape than us.
- Bulldog Drummond they had the Christian Wood breakout.

They have my two targets going just before us.
Okoro sounds like a nice player but a poor fit.  Next to RJB, that'd be two wings who can't shoot, plus paint-bound Mitch.

Avdija to GSW is interesting, but they'd probably be better trading down or just trading out for a vet.

Manion and Hampton going ahead of Kira?
Hope so.
Malachi way down at #44 (with Tre Jones 43)?
Any of those 3 could be a good #27 pick.