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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14010 on: November 04, 2020, 02:40:39 PM »

Hayes was the new belle of the ball 2 weeks back (having never been mentioned previously)

Now its Williams?

Take a stand and have some backbone.
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« Reply #14011 on: November 04, 2020, 03:21:00 PM »

I’ve like both for months, my son. They are players who are still useful in a good rotation if they miss their swing skills and are real problems if they can round out their games.
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« Reply #14012 on: November 04, 2020, 03:35:16 PM »

Why were the Bulls eager/willing to ditch Eddy Curry?
I don't think Curry was that interested in basketball, except as a source of income and probably fame. 

Too bad we don't have the archives of this forum's past.
I'd like to see who was on board with Curry and what their arguments were.
I correctly surmised he would be a bum (he did manage to give us one pretty good year).  A low impact player.

I was on board with Curry based on the extent of his ability to make crazy individual plays and his 19 and 7 (forgot he was ever that productive w Chicago, so I feel slightly less of a sucker). Since his  NY tenure, I have had much more emphasis on mental approach, awareness, fitness, and energy.

That’s why Hayes is up there with Ball and Edwards among my top three guards and Okongwu is ahead of Toppin and Advija among the forwards. It’s also why I like Killian Tille and Tyler Bey for later picks in this class.
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« Reply #14013 on: November 04, 2020, 04:32:05 PM »

Haliburton was my man, until he began rising up the draft board.  A point guard with a handle and a shot and a tough defender. 

If he is there at #8? 

Otherwise....as for Kiid and his trades.  "Dont' be a dick?"

Hey....

Though I'd still rather #8 (and Okongwu).

Agree. 

And if Boston wanted him?

My response is still MARCUS SMART & your three draft picks. 

Was Red Auerbach dickish when he basically traded Gerald Henderson for the draft pick which ended up as Len Bias (rest in peace)?

Was Danny Ainge dickish when he converted the earthly remains of KG and some faded elders for a king's ransom of Nyets draft picks? 

Was Masai Ujiri being dickish when he exacted every single drop of blood from the Knicks in the way of players and draft picks for Carmelo? 

Is it likely the Celtics would trade Smart when Kemba's knees are a bit dicey? 

Doesn't hurt to ask.   

At #8, if both Okongwu AND Okuro are there, who would you hope Thibs and Perry and Rose throw down for. 

Big Okongwu would give us coverage at both PF and C where we presently have Robinson, Randle and Wooten. 

Wing Okouro would give us coverage at both SF and SG where we presently have Knox, Brazdeikis, Bullock, Barrett and Ntilikina (projecting, if we keep him, as much as a Iguodala wing). 

Unless we grab another #1 in between 8 & 27, it's a question of who drops among the second tier of PGs. 

Kira Lewis unlikely to fall past Miami. 

Bolmaro?  Ramsey?  Mannion? 

Anthony has been dropping like a stone.  All the way to 27?

Who the fuck knows. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14014 on: November 04, 2020, 04:38:37 PM »

I do like Okongwu, but everything I've seen has Okongwu going 4-7.
Still some flux of course.
Okoro a bad fit with RJB.

Get a scorer/shooter.  Vassal, TyH, Hayes.
Likely one or two of those should fall our way.
I'm interested in Haliburton, but think he's been overhyped lately.
Suddenly he's said to have amazing vision, tight handles and good defense.
I don't really know these guys at all.  But i think his agent or someone did some good work for TyH.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14015 on: November 04, 2020, 04:39:35 PM »

Boston got Bias

Seattle when they dealt Henderson got Scottie Pippen

heh

(no pick protections back then)
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« Reply #14016 on: November 04, 2020, 04:46:41 PM »

Is it likely the Celtics would trade Smart when Kemba's knees are a bit dicey?

Doesn't hurt to ask.   



Come on, mannnnn.......
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« Reply #14017 on: November 04, 2020, 04:57:03 PM »

Nets dealt Garnett for Thaddeous Young, who gave them a couple of nice 17 PER seasons - then dealt Young for...........


CARIS LAVERT



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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14018 on: November 04, 2020, 07:51:51 PM »

That’s the right way to do it. Old known value for younger less known potential.

What do ya’ll think of this guy for a later pick?

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/11/4/21548285/know-the-prospect-mason-jones

Okongwu over Okoro generally. Vassell over Okoro for us.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14019 on: November 04, 2020, 08:34:45 PM »

Boston got Bias

Seattle when they dealt Henderson got Scottie Pippen

heh

(no pick protections back then)

Were they dickish in trading him to the Knicks. 

Trading our #5 and #8 picks for Henderson and Juuwan Oldham. 
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« Reply #14020 on: November 04, 2020, 08:50:19 PM »

That’s the right way to do it. Old known value for younger less known potential.

What do ya’ll think of this guy for a later pick?

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/11/4/21548285/know-the-prospect-mason-jones

Okongwu over Okoro generally. Vassell over Okoro for us.

That's how I would go.

Still...

All things being equal, I could still see the Knicks going all in for Okoro.  He is regarded as one of the most NBA ready players in the draft, in terms of his competitive nature, physical maturity, defense, finishing skills, and passing.  A classic 3&D wing, BoD. 

Vassell is also rated an excellent defender, and a better long range sniper, but his body is not nearly as robust.  At the risk of repeating myself, Jimmy Butler couldn't shoot for shit when he first came into the league.  Neither could Bruce Bowen.  PS: Vassell's length and frame are very Bruce Bowen. 

Okoro?  Think Jimmy Butler, Andre Igudola, Jae Crowder. 

Okoro has intangibles that will make Thibs' Johnson sit up and shout.

Okongwu over Okoro generally. Vassell over Okoro for us.

Again, that's how I would role, but I think the Knicks are very serious about Okoro. 

And both Maxey and Lewis have boosters inside the Knicks. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14021 on: November 04, 2020, 08:58:30 PM »

Not hoops related, but wonderful

http://youtu.be/ZFUWI6P9C1A
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« Reply #14022 on: November 04, 2020, 10:01:48 PM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14023 on: November 05, 2020, 05:07:51 AM »

All things being equal, I could still see the Knicks going all in for Okoro.  He is regarded as one of the most NBA ready players in the draft, in terms of his competitive nature, physical maturity, defense, finishing skills, and passing. A classic 3&D wing, BoD.

With only one wing.  Thus far he's got the D.
He still needs to add the Bo, uh, I mean the 3.

For every Bowen or Crowder who successfully added a 3-ball, you have talented defenders such as MKG or Stan Johnson who just couldn't shoot. 

Even Crowder is a cautionary tale, as his offense was so dismal there were doubts about his usefulness.  It wasn't until his 2nd team and second contract and 5th season where he developed 3-ballism.  And Crowder was a 35% 3-point shooter in college.  Okoro 29% (though I haven't found his totals/shots per game). 

Btw, I wanted to get Crowder when he was scrapping around on DAL before his BOS breakout.  Tough, competitive, physical defender.  Thing is if the O doesn't come around, then you can get such limited-O defenders at firesale prices.  Right now, I'd add StanJohn at $4M (he has a $3.8M player opt-in with TOR, but he doesn't get minutes there).  StanJohn shot 37% on college 3's as an 18 year old frosh.  Just 24 right now.  MKG was bought out by CHA and finished the year on the vet min with DAL.  He'll be a cheap pickup.  27.  But looks like limited possibility of 3's.  Only made 28 in 8 years.  And with RJB I don't see MKG as a fit for NYK.  I didn't realize MKG was just 6'6" -- I thought he was 6'8".  I think that's part of the issue, his skill set fits more at combo F then combo wing.

Knix are already a poor shooting team.  And since the only draft pick we hit on in the past decade plays for DAL, we can't afford a decent role player, who might add an offensive game in a few years.  Still waiting on Francophone for that.  And for Knox to settle down and compete better on at least one end.  Okoro could be a terrific fit on some other teams (MIni comes to mind), just not hereabouts.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #14024 on: November 05, 2020, 11:35:34 AM »

Boston got Bias

Seattle when they dealt Henderson got Scottie Pippen

heh

(no pick protections back then)

Were they dickish in trading him to the Knicks. 

Trading our #5 and #8 picks for Henderson and Juuwan Oldham.

We got the Mark Jackson pick in the Pippen deal

Oldham was a different deal.  The pick dealt for Juwaan was one we got for Darrell Walker - and became Olden Polynice.
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